/siberia/ - Off-topic

Tell me the trvth.. What happened..?

Nah, I stopped using 4chan when I started hating Google Captcha snooping at my porn preferences, and then by the time they changed captcha all the good generals I liked were dead, /g/ went to shit and I veered away from watching cartoons as much.

this guy's whole thesis is that nazi debate tactics can only work in places with zero standards or quality control. a resounding self-own.

>>837798
This seems to be a largely first-person perspective. I'm not saying it's wrong, since it's your point of view, but it seems very limited.

>>837799
If you can't outargue them without moderators constantly saving you then I'm afraid, you're not winning whatever's being said.

>>837794
nice bait OP, here's a (You)

Idk I've never posted on /pol/. I was more of a /lit/ guy but I got a job and a bitch so I quit. I'm here somehow though, but I don't get into internet debates anymore.

>>837803
nobody ever, EVER wins a debate on the internet, the real competition is to make the place the political junk is infused with interesting to visit. 4chuds did a good job of that but i've been weaning off of it because i don't want to support it even with an adblocker. when you post on a website, you are giving them a gift, you are putting your seal of approval on the site.

>>837804
So you retreated from them.. I see.

>>837805
you have to go back

>>837806
You retreated from the chuds…

>>837801
>>837805
>>837807
with post quality like this is it any wonder why people wanted a place other than /pol/ to discuss politics? how juvenile and devoid of any substance

>>837808
Atleast I didn't retreat from those chuds.

>>837808
ikr nazis re-discovered the gish gallop and now use it as some kind of own. it's much more comfy on leftypol

Also, in case you have any speck of seriousness and aren't just having fun for lulz, then ROFL+MAO at that screencap. I am actually, physically laughing.

1. Ideologically-driven moderators there banned plenty of people from /pol/ for socialist politics. In fact, the same thing happening on 8ch/pol/ is why /leftypol/ was created in the first place. Seeing a trickle of commie posters visible on /pol/ does not negate this, their mod team aren't all doing it.
   
2. Taking a shit in a room and people leaving isn't evidence that they're right. Go to any freeze peach website and it's almost entirely neo-nazis, schizophrenics and pedophilia advocates who seek refuge there when no-one else wants them around. /pol/ is a less extreme version of that phenomenon. People aren't leaving because they "lost" "arguments". Dumbest rationale I've seen in a while. They're probably leaving because constant raids of groomed Stormfront kids and reddit MAGA retirees posting gore and thoughtless nonsense that doesn't even qualify as an argument just isn't worth their time. /pol/ is not a politics board. It's a political-themed trolling board. There is no principled political discussion and anyone pretending there is, is worthless to anyone who wants to build a better world.
   
   

Seriously, this fool contradicts themself in their own post. Zero principles, it's just about "winning" the "argument". Hitler wuz small government!!1 And you're pretending you took that seriously?? 5/10, good cheap laugh but no subtlety. We demand a higher quality of trolling, comrade.

>>837811
the pasta also assumes that the socialists in question are some kind of lib who would give a shit about arguments based on the premise of being open minded and wanting to win an argument

^^
>neo-nazis, schizophrenics and pedophilia advocates
but I repeat myself

>>837811
Prove 1. ever happened substantially back then and 2. if they can't stand on their own in an uncontrolled setting, in my opinion, it doesn't warrant much looking into because they got naturally selected against in free and open debate

I wish I was wrong but I've had tons of experience confirming the one who holds out in the end is usually right and those who are wrong, simply, go absent or refuse to say anything back

>>837811
Or another variant of being wrong is insulting the person and/or trying to gaslight them

>>837819
How many times do we have to tell you that people don't win debates online, old man? If someone is pissed off enough by the quality of "discourse" on a site they will just switch to a different site.

>>837820
They're pissed because they lost.. a debate.. on the Internet.

>>837821
winning a debate just means being the last person willing to reply, which in the case of a nazi almost always applies

NutSacs DOMINATE online because this is the average neo-nazi experience in real life

>>837822
So let me get this straight, you all retreated from them because you all didn't want to followup with whatever was being said the last time it happened which was a very long time ago. It sounds to me this is cowardice, or if not that, maybe laziness.

>>837825
i'm actually not that interested in arguing. argumentative style doesn't do it for me. i am sufficiently convicted of the truth of my ideas that i feel no need to argue

>>837826
You'd rather not finely tune whatever truth you have? Why not?

>>837825
>deciding to stop sitting online masturbating is laziness
You are the gift that keeps on giving. I love this thread <3

>>837827
i have spent more than enough time in the company of Lucifer or Christ than is necessary, why prolong my suffering?

>Most of us were Libertarians at the time,
>and capitalists there as well.
Aren't right-wing libertarians for free markets and all that? Does this uygha even know what he's talking about, or is his entire political identity a larp?
>arguments that could not be supported or defended were quickly crushed and ridiculed by the mob.
So, any reasonable person was simply bombarded with slurs? Also kek from the fact that he says "mob", although it is essentially a synonym for normies.
>the vast majority of those Libertarians had become White Nationalists or National Socialists. We came to realize that the Holocaust did not happen
So they are not embarrassed by the fact that their idol killed 0 Jews and at the same time destroyed Europe?
>that Christianity was our spiritual truth,
So they are not embarrassed by the fact that their god is the Jewish prophet of YHWH, who called the goyim dogs and forced them to turn the other cheek?
>that the ancient folkways of our people were something to be treasured and preserved,
Yes, like paganism, which was heckin' degenerate.
>So they left. And that's important. THEY left.
If someone shit on my head and I couldn't do anything except try to shit back, I would leave too.

P.S. It's clearly undeniable that neo-nazism was sponsored, both extensively and persistently. It's not just the stupidity debate skills of the right-wingers that makes them so invincible and widespread. How can one defeat some shill who gets paid shekels for every post?

>>837794
The whole chronology is off. /leftypol/ was founded by halfchan /lit/ posters, after (so the legends say) they were told on (fullchan i.e. 8ch) /pol/ to create their own board as they weren't welcome on fullchan /pol/. Which unlike their halfchan predecessor didn't pretend to be anything other than an open nazi board.
>>837825
Some people have better things to do in their free time than convincing social rejects that black people aren't subhuman and jews aren't the reason they're not getting laid.

>>837828
If you're so convicted of whatever truth you have, and so energetic about it, maybe you should share this truth because if it was true there would be.. no argument..

>>837829
Masturbation? When did that come into the equation?

>>837830
Well if you're not prepared to counter the avg. imageboarder and whatever they're saying, I do need to consider this

>>837834
argumentation does not necessarily lead to truth. the sophists knew this well, which is why they did not teach such things.

>>837834
Being called a transhumanist and a uyghur and an Epstein isn't an argument, but /pol/ pretends it is

>>837836 (me)
lol, jew slur is filtered to Epstein

>>837837
They dun did my boy dirty

>>837835
I think it's a bit different with Internet debates as you can quite literally pull any information, then put it there visually, of which supports your argument that counterarguers can backtrack, whereas, in meatspace private conversations this is difficult to accomplish where they can easily gaslight you and you can gaslight them without much proof on either side.

>>837831
Upload to the booru pls

>>837840
>I think it's a bit different with Internet debates
The fact that you keep calling those "debates" tells us enough.
I'm starting to think that you're not joking any more. You… you might actually be a lost soul who doesn't know what dialectic, debate, argumentation and discussion even look like.
I am sincerely concerned for your well-being and I hope you can find a healthy place to learn about the world.

oh my god, they……. they might even think this is called a debate.

>>837841
Pics or screenshot of the post?

>>837842
To tell you the truth about myself I..

Dropped out of college early..

I mean, it's not like I was missing out on anything since it would be a drain on my finances and uh, most of this stuff wasn't really helpful anyway. Most of this stuff could be learned without a college, really. I would've done the same for middleschool and highschool if my parents hadn't kept forcing me through. I voluntarily tried to quit several times but they kept at it.

Does this mean I'm unintelligent? Possibly..

OP if you have any actual questions about Marxism or history we'd be happy to field them but this thread is quite unproductive and egotistical.

didnt read; cope, seethe etc.

>>837794
Not really related all that much to the thread but one thing I noticed about this screencapped post, and the posts on 4chan in general. Is that they all speak is a very melodramatic, overly emotional, self-righteous way and it's always been funny to me. Like, you always see the cope from them framing themselves as cynical trolls who "don't take the internet seriously" or frame it as "We aren't asshurt about other opinions, we are actually mocking them!" but then they contradict themselves by going on these long, self-aggrandizing, emotional posts that reads like something from a fan-fiction or wannabee writers novel, and as I said before it just always made me laugh for some reason.

>>837794
Nope, all of this is total nonsense.

Firstly, on 4chan, /pol/ was always a battleground between various different ideas coupled with the typical shitposting and general bullshit memes you'd see on 4chan. The two groups with the most sway over the board's culture were always the National Socialists first and the libertarians second, and yes, they were two separate groups. The libertarians did not "become National Socialists", in fact they were often very hostile to each other because each group saw /pol/ as "their board", libertarians would often throw around the word "stormfag" as an insult for the NatSocs and the NatSocs in turn would throw around the insult "lolbergtarian".
The differences between these two factions of the board culturally were essentially that the National Socialists would not really discuss politics at all back on 4/pol/, all they would really do was post Happy Merchant memes, infographics about the holocaust, and call everyone a jew. The libertarians were the guys actually discussing politics and economics, and credit where credit is due, they were pretty good debaters. Go to an archived thread from /pol/ prior to GamerGate that is dedicated to the discussion of any political ideology, and it will be full of libertarians ready to debate it to death.

Now, this anon claims /pol/ eventually coalesced into a National Socialist board after everyone else either converted or left, because /pol/ "was a crucible for truth" (not sure why 8gaggers expect us to believe this narrative when 4chan as a whole has been known to be a hub of bullshit and retards since its very creation, and its users took pride in this. There is literally no reason at all to believe /pol/ would be any different, but oh well.) But long story short, this is also unfounded. Not only is 4/pol/ not a monolith (in fact many of the libertarians who had been there since the beginning are still there to this day), but you'll also find if you comb through any archives of the board that it just never was at any point.

Now, I think the paragraph about all the communists, liberals and libertarians leaving is referring to the creation of their own boards on 8chan, and this actually has a really simple explanation. And no, they did not leave of their own accord.
What actually happened is that 8/pol/ essentially dropped the free speech ethos of the original 4/pol/, and so you had to be a national socialist to post there, or you would be banned. Comb through any archives of that board and you'll see ban messages in every thread with the mods calling anyone to the left of Adolf Hitler a jew. In fact, many libertarians got SUPER angry at 8/pol/'s mods for creating a nazi hugbox and they went to go create /liberty/ for that reason. /leftypol/ was kind of just made for fun when 8chan was new and all sorts of people were coming and going, but it certainly wouldn't have been tolerated for one second on 8/pol/, the so-called "FREEZE PEACH" board.

tl;dr: No, none of this is true, 8chan's /pol/ required posters to be Nazis and so boards like /liberty/ and /leftypol/ were created so people could speak freely, and this poster is just another anon larping as an oldfag like always.