/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>838782
>my feefees about various things are objective truth
She was a complete brainlet.

So butthurt by the Soviets taking away her parent's mansion and servants that she spent the entire rest of her life screeching about leftists and LARPing like she was superior to everyone else (she wasn't). Oh and she died while actively taking welfare from the American government. So much for libertarian principles.

i used to think atlas shrugged was an actual work of political theory like the communist manifesto or something, when i found out it was fiction it felt very disappointing but also expected from lolberts

>>838811
she's wearing buckskin and doesn't even hunt lmao, siiigh, we've been lied to so much about the world..

>>838811
usually I try not to judge by first impressions but she's being very overtly "rugged" with the faux buckskin and it's so very hypocritical

>>838782
She certainly didn’t have thoughts

>>838782
tbh i've become more positive to her over time. not outright sympathetic, but there's more than nothing there.
she's basically right that you shouldn't live for somebody else's interests, although i'd put a more stirner bent on it (e.g. although you shouldn't sacrifice yourself from others, that's no reason to say you can't help them for the joy of doing so.). anything on public policy is impractical dross, but that's true of most thinkers.

her valorising of reason and intellectualism, her hostility to nationalism and tribal collectivism, and so on only look more and more laudable as the right around the world drifts towards the complete opposite, worship of irrationality, stupidity, nationalist slop and petty local potentates. say what you will about "fuck you, got mine", it's a much, much better working principle than "kill everyone who isn't me".

>>838811
tbh it's not a bad idea of conveying your ideas. 90% of people only pretend to read works of serious political theory and most of the 10% just skim the easy ones. if you can package them into a story people might actually enjoy, you're doing well.

what i dont get why lefties hate her but glaze nietzsche, whose ethos was basically the same but with artists and intellectuals instead of industrialists

>>838831
the underlying disposition of left wingers is best suited to art and intellectual pursuits, while the underlying disposition of rand types tends to take them either towards business or engineering type employment. most people come to their ideological beliefs to meet a psychological need, rather than because they've really reasoned through all the arguments and decided which is the most convincing. (what you find convincing will, in and of itself, be shaped by your disposition anyway.)

as if to prove the point, i believe this because it meets my own need for novelty, both directly (it's an uncommon framework) and indirectly (it lets you read arguments for bad ideologies without committing to viewing their adherents as "bad people", and when those arguments are badly structured it immediately explains why instead of setting off a frustrating "but why would you think this!?" loop.)

Never read her stuff, but I know the one kid in high school who did was a fuckin moron and kinda hateful to boot. All my homies warned me not to waste my time so I didn't.

>>838825
i get this tbh. its like when peopel call out the contradiciton with these frothing at the mouth reactionaries who are on disability benefits but vote and support politicians and parties that want to cut them all. libs say isnt that illogical? it is, but they dont care because the spite is the point. the thought that even if they get cut off and die at least the browns will suffer more and go down with them.

I hope she's enjoying hell

>>838891
Does not exist.

>>838834
I don't appreciate art. I wouldn't care if Hollywood was paved over. I like trains and mega engineering projects. Am I secretly right-wing?

>>838893
no, but (and i say this without insult) you're probably autistic or borderline.
what leads some people of that type left and others right is something i should really explore more.

it could just be "the trains don't actually run on time under fascism, actually rightists tend to fuck them up totally" + state developmentalism / megaprojects being left coded in most places even if they're also common in quite right-wing places like Japan, but that's a very conventional explanation. (e.g. it's "logical" rather than psychological, and while i could probably slip "autists are rational and neurotypicals are not" past most people, i'm not committing to that.)

transitioning would have saved him

>>838926
Is there anything that transitioning wouldn't have solved?

>>838831
because a philosopher's worth is not dependent on what % of the Correct Opinions they hold but rather what new venues they open up, intellectually. if i rediscovered from scratch all the ideas of <your favorite thinker here>, would i be as valuable as them? obviously not. if you think nietzsche is valuable, then your criticism of rand is probably that her work is simply a stupider and vulgarized repetition of his ideas.
most philosophers who are influenced by nietzsche don't adhere unerringly to his philosophy – nietzsche himself would have scoffed at people who do this, anyway, not to mention that he didn't have a consistent system – but rather are influenced by what they think his work reveals about power, value, morals, etc. in fact some are outright anti-nietzchean in a sense, similar to how wittgenstein said of otto weininger's work that "the greatness lies in that with which we disagree"

>>838893
art and engineering are honestly not dissimilar but engineering is guided towards meeting concrete objective constraints while art is guided towards the nebulous goal of arousing the passions. you probably dislike art because it's not tethered to objective reality.

>>838929
nietzshce's philosophy was irrelevant and nobody took him seriously until nazis dug him up and then the nazis direct inheritors (western libs) "rehabilitated" him

if you read him with even a slight critical eye, the whole thing is him just malding at hegel while cribbing ideas from him

>>838931
>nietzshce's philosophy was irrelevant and nobody took him seriously until nazis dug him up
That's not true at all, did you just make it up, lol?

>>838934
literally true