No.2540
what exactly does alphabet liberation look like?
No.2541
>>2540Firstly it would look like proletarian liberation since as with all subgroups of people they are mostly proletariat. After all we are the most numerous and productive class as Marx said.
But some issues exist which are specific to LGBTQIA+ people therefore they need some additional requirements beyond cishet people:
Widespread education (ceasing of the biological subgroup cultural genocide), social unacceptability of lgbtqia+phobias, unfounded bigotry, calls to political action to remove their rights not allowed. Universal healthcare and no discrimination allowed in healthcare, or any other areas of public life. Ceasing of violence and death being allowed against LGBTQIA+ people for various reasons, worldwide. Ceasing of all discriminations against them for any reason. Some places still require forced sterilization for trans people to change their gender markets, which is a requirement for getting healthcare and living life in areas with higher discrimination. I can't speak for everyone though
https://www.workers.org/lgbtq-oppression/ No.2542
Uhmmmm…. don't you mean 2SLGBTQIA++? This is native ameircan erasure you reactionary piece of shit
No.2543
>>2542>2SLGBTQIA++?Thanks anon this is such a great idea :)
No.2547
>>305189
>>305191
I am OP and I report every single LGBTQIA+phobic post. This is not a shitposting thread retard.
No.2548
>>2547Bruh are you trolling with that acronym though? For real when do the letters stop. We know you won't stop finding knew orientations. Why don't you guys just drop the acronym and just invent a catch all term?
No.2549
>>2548I'm not some representative of "you guys" there is not any "you guys" it's not some organized group of people lmao. It's a bunch of proles forced into wage labor.
No.2550
No discipline, OP
No.2551
>>2548"queer" covers it basically
and its fun to call them "queers" and to not get in trouble for it anymore
No.2552
>>2549You still got the memo about adding QIA+ somehow.
No.2554
Can an acronym be longer than 26 letters?
Vote now:
https://strawpoll.com/polls/2ayLWKp5WZ4 No.2556
>>2555reactionaries don’t deserve something as fun as that. they’ll just be shipped off to an island to fill in coloring books or somesuch
No.2557
>>305234
having sex > porn
No.2558
>>2557would anyone disagree?
No.2559
>>2558porn reinforces a cishet-centered sexual convention
pornographic film as we know it today was created as a response to sexual liberation in the 60s and 70s where there were new advanced contraceptive medicines and the removal of sexual barriers for financial and other freedoms as well as LGBTQ pride
No.2561
>>2559i dont see why other groups cant just make their own porn studios
u can get an hd camera for like a couple hundred bucks these days
No.2562
>>2561no point when you can create actual sex
only hets are alienated and repressed enough to need sex to be staged, recorded and replayed over and over again
No.2564
>>2563>british fascist<unibrow<receded chin<unformed body<england shirt<pedoit all checks out
only thing missing is face tattoos
No.2566
what is the difference between asexual and aromantic
No.2568
What an amazing thread
This is truly what communism is about in the 21st century. Thanks to the mods for preventing hate speech and wrong think(you got it 👍)
No.2570
>>2568>NOOOOOOOOOOOO>/leftypol/ is supposed to hate le gays!>anti-idpol is when you embrace right-wing discrimination, not when you oppose it!Reminder to all that people who defend discriminatory policies within AES countries are being anti-dialectical and forgetting the
historical context in which these policies existed, as well as the nature of history as something which develops. If someone is being a reactionary "socialist," be sure to correct them not on moralistic liberal grounds, but on being bad communists.
No.2571
>>2570pretty based for a narco
No.2572
How does this thread have less posts now than it did before I went to sleep 8 hours ago?
No.2573
>>2572mods clapping cheeks of people malding about the thread
No.2574
/siberia/ stop making bait for stupidpolyps challenge
No.2575
>>2573>anarchist>simping for those with power because they're pro-LGBTEvery time.
No.2576
>>2575Internet forum moderator, especially at a forum this small of scale, is not a coercively powerful position in any politically meaningful way. A landscaper is not a tyrant for choosing to pull weeds so flowers can grow.
No.2577
>>2576Flowers are sissies?
No.2578
>>305431
>Having a 15 year old boy at your house most weekends is suspect, having him at a bathhouse is not.
You realize homosexuality was illegal in most of the US until a couple decades ago, right?
Also, gay bath houses are 18+, you're not even allowed in the door without ID…
your "theory" here makes zero sense. During the time when bath house culture emerged, famous straight rockstars were fucking underage groupies and that was more widely acceptable than being gay. Being gay was the thing people had more pressure to hide.
No.2579
>>305431kys hetoid
>>2577das rite
No.2580
>>2575>statement of fact is simpinglol
It would be cool if there was a practical way of having mods and jannies selected by sortition or something, but that isn't the case unfortunately. Moderation is a necessary evil otherwise the site would be overrun with /pol/ and might-as-well-be-/pol/ shitting up every thread and board.
No.2581
>>305431
The belief about gays being pedo hedonists was because of hetero guys.
Ironically, its the straight guys that are preying on the little ones.
Also, 15 yo isnt pedophilia but hebephilia big difference although still predatory.
Married conservative men are especially a HUGE RED FLAG.
No.2582
>>305443>That doesn't matter in this case.Yeah it does. What are you talking about?
>Firstly, I've never went to one. Secondly, I really don't see how that matters - especially at a point in time where a 9 year old could buy a pack of Marlboros without question.Dude, you don't have to go to one to understand that they're adult establishments.
Also the latter thing not only makes no sense, it isn't strictly true - most states had smoking age laws in the '70s as far as I can tell, and attitudes towards cigarettes were also way more lax than they were towards "sodomy," which was broadly illegal.
>This goes hand-in-hand with >>2581 says. I don't consider pedophiles, and by that I mean le "hebephiles" as well, to be either straight or gay. They do not express attraction to assured secondary sex characteristics, so therefore they are not of the same sexuality as one who is straight or gay.This has nothing to do with what I wrote though. Within the culture of that era, fucking underage females' was mostly acceptable if you were a man, fucking underage males'' was not. Your whole "theory" about bathhouses makes literally no sense because of this. It's a figment of your imagination, it doesn't mesh with the history at all or the material conditions surrounding it - it's akin to if someone were to posit a theory that gyms exist because of dogfuckers, it's complete nonsense.
No.2583
Like, why do gyms exist?
Does it make sense for a bunch of people perhaps even hundreds at a time (!!!) to go into a building just to "work out"?
No, it must be so they can fuck dogs, which I presume is allowed inside of gyms. That must be what gyms exist for!
Fucking ridiculous.
No.2588
>>2585It represents the total cooption by liberals. But it doesn't matter.
feels (how the flag makes you feel) < reals (everything that affects people in concrete ways)
No.2590
>>2589Mods I'm not /pol/ I am just meme-ing don't worry!
No.2591
>>2590fear not, the 'fun allowed' janny is on shift for the next half hour.
No.2592
>>2585Total agreement. Even a lot of gay & trans ppl I know irl who have any opinion on it at all are either indifferent or see it as dumb. Not that nobody genuinely likes it - I'm sure there are people who like it who aren't running a grift… but it seems like it's mostly just tolerated because the flag shit is kind of unimportant so who cares if people fall for this bullshit?
As for me, though, yeah - it undermines the symbolism… rainbows are fundamentally inclusive to begin with, the colors don't represent specific ethnic groups, they represent diversity, harmony, and mutual tolerance. "Rainbow, plus also here's a specific stripe for the black people, and here's a stripe for the trans people, oh let's add a latino stripe" deprives the rainbow itself of symbolic meaning and
looks stupid on top of that.
No.2593
>>2591Basedbasedbased thanks janny 😄
No.2594
>>2587
>Is the White stripe for White people.
Lol unironically you have a point there. Adding a specific stripe section for the trans pride flag right next to the brown people stripes sends a really mixed message from a design perspective. Although then again, so does adding separate stripes for specific groups at all.
No.2595
Wait holy fucking shit. They put a black stripe and brown stripe for black/brown people, then they put a pink and white stripe for white trans people… and separating the two new stripe pairings they put a blue line. Lmfao.
No.2598
>>305473
>MAP
Literally never. That shit started on 4chan.
Furries and cucks - there are probably versions with this on them already lol. There are definitely furry versions. Those are unlikely to gain traction tho outside of the little niches.
No.2599
Reminder to antinous: if you don't plan on getting SRS you are not actually trans and just a male with a gender fetish.
No.2600
>>2598>Literally never. That shit started on 4chan.There's a whole community of unironic MAPs on twitter now, the movement seems to be gaining some traction.
No.2601
>>2600>There's a whole community of unironic MAPs on twitter nowI believe that there are people on twitter who will
claim to be unironic MAPs. The first time I ever saw it was people on 4chan claiming to be unironic MAPs, and it was really obvious to me that it was a really clumsy op.
No.2603
>>2602>webpLiteral satan.
No.2604
Embedding error.
>>2601I admit that it was an op originally but it's been turned into a serious idea. You even have academics using the terminology.
No.2605
>>2601>The first time I ever saw it was people on 4chanI would suspect [with no evidence whatsoever] it probably came from an obscure pedo forum or board and gained exposure on 4chan as a frozen peaches gateway to the mainstream.
No.2606
>QIA
>+
A bit of a stretch, don't you think?
No.2608
>>26054chan reactionaries falsely accusing LGBT people of being pedophiles when everyone knows the real pedos are on 4chan
No.2609
>>2599I'm already transitioning. Thanks for asking.
>>2602Yeah yeah, I'll get to it eventually.
No.2610
>>2606The acronym is just kind of silly and internally redundant. What is the best one-word term? Who will get mad at, for example, 'queer'?
No.2611
>>2604I can believe that somebody would fall for it, a guy from a college somewhere included, but I don't think there's much actual momentum behind it. The trajectory of the past half century of sexual movements has been towards considering consent as the foremost question wrt sex, which resulted in both AOCs going up and in homosexuality being legalized. Weird fringes have always existed, but there are honestly probably less of them now than there used to be.
>>2605I'm pretty sure it just came from /pol/. Iirc there was a thread
about coining it to discredit gays but I could be misremembering on that detail. The first posts "advocating for it" that I saw absolutely had the classic /pol/ false flag hallmarks, though, where it was very "hello, fellow sexual minorities."
No.2613
>>2599Shut up. This isn't true. I'm not getting SRS. Why don't you get it? It's scary as fuck.
You think being trans means requiring surgery? Retard.
No.2614
>>2610Tbh lots of people lol. Queer is a weird one, used to be a slur (usually) for gays and now it's, uh, a term for girls with blue hair.
No.2615
>>2610Queer works. Both have history tho. The + caps it off pretty well. I only ever see it get verbose near pride where various glowops start poping up to cause in-fighting, so people add the IA between the Q and + to stress that ace people are included, since said glowops often target them specifically. That does cause some bickering with intersex people since some of them do and do not want to be in the acronym.
No.2616
>>2609When do you plan on getting bottom surgery? Until then you're just a man who takes HRT and dresses differently, you won't be a woman until after SRS.
No.2617
>>2616Stop pressuring people into getting dangerous surgeries that aren't even applicable to everyone. If you don't have GENITAL dysphoria specifically why would you get the surgery? I don't want to "be a woman" I want to "be a transhumanist" and I already am retard. It's a dangerous surgery that needs to have justifications which I lack - I don't even have genital dysphoria retard.
No.2618
>>2616Tumblr, now. That's the only site where that glowop works.
No.2619
>>2617So you admit that you're just a man with a fetish then? Well if that's the case please stop associating yourself with the trans movement and trans label, you're making actual trans women look like horny creeps.
>SRS is a dangerous surgeryLiteral /pol/ talking points on display here.
No.2620
>>2619>you're making actual trans women look like horny creeps.Yo, as a horny creep I resent you lumping me in with trans women.
No.2622
>>2620… or trans women in with me… one of them! Don't do it either way.
No.2623
>>2620Stop responding to that anon. They will not understand your gender experience, because it conflicts with the truscum narrative they want to push. Just ridicule them until they leave.
No.2624
>>2623But I think they're funny!
Also cut your dick off
fapfapfapfapfap No.2626
>>2625Eh, unless it loops I think all beats of that quarrel have been covered. Should be clear now.
No.2628
Tbh I've always been kind of sympathetic to the SRS "truscum" thing. Like the main drawback seems to be that the current surgery requires a ton of maintenance. I can get that reasoning too, though. It doesn't matter much - like it's really difficult to see most of the transgirls I know who've taken HRT but kept their dicks as "men." Socially, calling them women makes more sense even though I agree that there's some dissonance there when it comes to talking about sex. Like, as a general rule women have vaginas, but like 0.8% used to be guys and still have a memento.
No.2629
>>305519following up to
>>2627here is a a specific and rather simple example of gender norms differing over time
No.2631
>>2630Lmao somehow correct
No.2632
>>2628You shouldn't be synpathetic to people who spread hate against others who aren't like them
No.2633
>>2630I got bored once and looked up pornhub (yes, I know, mistake already) solo female tag, most popular world wide, and on the first page is 'big clit' porn which when you look at their profile is very clearly from an intersex person (whether they know it or not).
At some point, you just have to laugh at the binary gymnastics.
No.2635
>>2634post Sleeping Hermaphroditus
No.2638
I saw people talking about srs im jodt hopin to say that wathever you do do NOT go for a social security/nhs funded surgeon ever. Youre gotta have to pay it fully from your pocket sadly.
Nearly every fucking single botched SRS cases come from these "people". There are obviously other known botchers that arent social medecine eoctors but youll do you reaserches.
Also be sure about what SRS techniques you will get, there are like 6 different ones. But AFAIK the only truly good one is the PPV technique (
https://www.kamolhospital.com/en/service/SRS-PPV/) that have been used on cis women born with no bagina and intersex womens bagina for four decades now, it has stand the trial of time and experience and is the closest to normal vaginas that exist in terms of look, texture, contractions, self cleaning capacity, self lubrication and taste. Do not get some penile invertion SRS or some archaic horrid shit like that that dates back to the fucking 1940 and doesnt look or even function like the real thing.
No.2639
>>2555You dont know how much I want to do that to a closet gay, but I'd massage him until he's all relaxed and mellowed out, then kiss him and say all the things i like about him, then i'd slowly penetrate them with my fingers to loosen them up and then slowly work my pp in as i make him repeat to himself "I'm still a strong man" behind the gag, and i'll always take breaks as we start to make sure he doesn't feel any pain as i remind him he's still a strong man and i love him ^w^ and then when im done i'll let the cum dribble out of his butt, then gently wipe it up with some paper towels, and then massage him and shower him with complements how good he is in bed (and wipe up all his tears while carassing his face) and then snuggle him as we drift into sleep x3
No.2640
>>2638>>2638>look, texture, contractions, self cleaning capacity, self lubrication and tastewhat about feeling?
No.2641
>>2639and then we'd wake up together and he'd look really happy cause he woke up next to someone. Then id kiss him and tell him good morning then id go into the kitchen and make waffles or pancakes, whatever he likes better (ill ask him the night before, before i put the gag on) and id bring them into bed on like a lil tray and then id untie his arms and legs and then he'd just hug me and eat his breakfast :3
Then id ask what kinda hobbies he had and like hes not having a good life so hed say vidya and then id pull out a thinkpad and show him all the garbage ive made and like he really doesnt know wtf is happening but hes happy to listen
Eventually we'd develop a relationship, spend most of our free time together, sleep in the same bed, get married and live a fufilling life together :DDD
Thank you for listening to my self-fufillment post
No.2643
>>2642Thats how we convert homophobes. We lovingly "rape" them and then start beautiful lives with them. They deserve it :3
No.2645
>>2644I know :3 thats why i said "rape" its pretty much all consentual, and is heavly focused on just getting him to relax and know its ok to be gay ^w^
(Anti LGBT spammer and aspiring rapist. Falseflag) No.2647
>>2646you cant even begin to fathom how lonely i am
like after i written that second post, i was just like only able to hold my pillow, clench it between my arms and legs, and giggle like a little girl for 5 minutes
No.2648
you ever had gay thoughts, lmao
>>2607lol that dude was such a freak,
a ghost freak No.2649
>>2595why are black people even in the flag that literally makes no sense
No.2650
>>2649Started during the BLM protests. Honestly probably some fed op trying to agitate anger between black people and LGBT people by pissing off the racist gays and homophobic blacks.
No.2651
>>2650Incredibly delusional. Touch grass now.
It's intersectionality, nothing else. Obviously liberal. You can research who made the original flag and why they did it.
No.2652
>>2651>Touch grass now.lol
I suspect feds from experience seeing wreckers in action at live events.
No.2653
I unironically 70%ish only want to be a woman to be fucked by men and I am a straight male that has sex with men.
No.2654
>>2633whatever gets them off / helps them sleep at night
No.2655
>>2585no flags. we're not a nation-state or something
No.2656
>>2655Nations shouldn't have a monopoly on flags. Making flags for non-nationalist things makes national flags weaker as a tool. Makes it more difficult for nations to manipulate their population with them.
No.2659
>>2658no clue
I'd boil it down to shit luck
No.2660
>>2657I mean he's got a point?
No.2661
>>2660It's culture war bs. What does a flag do? Southern states in burgerville took out the confederate parts, still doesn't mean all the open sewers and vestiges of Jim Crow aren't there.
No.2662
>>305522>>2634Good god, i need to fuck greek-roman statues.
No.2663
>>2649The expressed reasoning was part BLM, part that there wasn't enough black/brown representation within the gay community. It was incredibly stupid, yeah, because the implication here is essentially that the rainbow only represents white gays… which was literally never the case, it's a fucking rainbow, if there was a problem it wasn't that the flag wasn't inclusive enough.
No.2664
>>2663Slap a hammer and sickle on top of the OG rainbow flag and call it a day tbh.
No.2666
>>2585I agree; in fact, I know that it will probably be an extremely unpopular take here but I think we should stop using the rainbow flag altogether. It is now firmly recuperated into being a symbol of the contemporary capitalist order. The most inclusive flag has just one color: red.
No.2667
>>2666I mean, ugh…I mean, ugh…I mean, ughhh…like ughhh could you ughhh, seriously? Ugh, like, ugh be more, ugh , could you not, just ugh, wtf, ugh. Such a ugh, y'know, like ugh, I mean just ughhhh. Ughhh, typical of a ughhh, you know ughh, it's just so ugggghhhhhh. I am not here for this ughhh. Such a ughh, typical ugghh. I mean uuuggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
No.2668
>>2667Anyone who has spent time on this site knows there are plenty of communists who hate LGBTQIA+ people. Hence why I made this thread to begin with and it was almost immediately spammed with bigotry.
No.2669
>>2666It's just some stripes so you can sew one together at home. It even used more colors at one point but was simplified to 7.
Yes, some people missed the point and bought one, that's not good enough of a reason to discard it as a symbol.
No.2670
>>2668I don't think you used enough letters. We can't worry about class when you cannot possibly cover every single identity people create for themselves and make communities over. Capitalists have completely poisoned struggles faced by certain identities. Any org that puts class below or
equal to identity is begging for glowies to fracture the group along those lines. But of course you interpret it as hate.
No.2671
>>2670Nice, instead of asking what I'm talking about to understand more properly you instead make up an accusation that I care about the letters, of which you think there are too many, more than class. But you think this despite not even asking me whether that's true. Care to explain why?
Could it be because you're more intent on personally attacking me than giving a fuck about what I actually wrote? Yeah, people on this site posting blatant homophobia which luckily got deleted by the godly mods is definitely just me being a bit too focused on the alphabet letters than class issues, right?
Fuck off.
No.2672
>>2670>Any org that puts class below or equal to identity is begging for glowies to fracture the group along those lines. But of course you interpret it as hate.>orgwhat org?
Also no one does that, see picrel 1, this is how any LBGTQIA+ person sees it. Class doesn't nullify the discussion of social issues though, nor does picrel 1 imply that, but still, see picrel 2.
No.2673
>>2672Apparently caring about LGBTQIA+ people at all, or even being one, is by its nature "putting it above class" in the eyes of too many people on this site.
No.2674
>>2671We're getting too focused on the subject of LGBTQ+ rights I'd say. The economy is going to shit, workers are starting to be made aware of how bad things really are, etc. Capitalism is finally coming to fruition, and we now have the responsibility of lighting the sea of gasoline which we find ourselves knee-deep in. And yet, you want to focus on these relatively petty issues? Issues that'd likely work themselves out under Socialism?
And look, I get it, homophobia is still a thing in some insular communities and families. But the former will be solved through time, and the latter is a personal matter. This is a board for (primarily) political discussion. Focusing our *political* movement on personal matters as if we're a support group does nothing but dilute the purpose of our movement wholesale.
I can understand your disdain for genuine homophobia et. al., I'm not cishet and I can fully understand that. But this idea that we need to devolve into full idpol over the subject matter is simply ridiculous. We all need to, as some hippie who grows marijuana in the Kootenays would say, "chill the fuck out".
No.2675
>>2674Relatively petty issues that will "most likely work themselves out after socialism" which is not going to come at any point in the near future for vast swaths of the global population?
Why is it either-or? You know many countries are actively taking away legal rights from LGBT people like removing access to healthcare?
You get it? Homophobia is still a thing? You think saying this phrase means "You get it"?
You're simply deeply unaware of the material conditions of LGBT people
It's not JUST homophobia
https://www.hrc.org/resources/understanding-the-transgender-communityIdpol? How is there any idpol? We can't have a SINGLE thread on this entire goddamned site without it being too much? Too much fucking focus? There is ONE thread anon. IN THE FUCKING SIBERIA SECTION
https://www.hrc.org/resources/understanding-the-transgender-community No.2676
>>2673Maybe there could be a pinned with important charts, like the Base/Superstructure Dialectic.
No.2677
>>305953
Shut the fuck up anon. You are allowed to be a reactionary if you want, I don't give a shit if you "Take me seriously" dumbass bitch
No.2678
>>2674>And look, I get it, homophobia is still a thing in some insular communities and families>I'm not cishetgo outside lol
No.2679
>>2675>Idpol? How is there any idpol? We can't have a SINGLE thread on this entire goddamned site without it being too much? Too much fucking focus? There is ONE thread anon. IN THE FUCKING SIBERIA SECTION
Yeah, I'm aware. My judgement on this matter was probably a bit harsh.
Now, as for everything else, just calm the fuck down. You're putting the cart before the damned horse.
>>2677Not even fucking joking, do you want a hug?
>>2678To be fair, I am still inside of the closet.
No.2680
>>2677They're very obviously baiting. They aren't here to learn, they want to post pictures of tanks and say slurs so they can be like their favorite commentary streamers.
No.2681
>>2585I'm a lil drunk, so bear (lol) with me.
I'm an old school homo activist. Been out of the closest longer than anyone on the board, I'd reckon.
I loathe the progress flag and I completely agree with this sentiment. The rainbow flag was never meant to be all inclusive - it was meant to signify specifically the "gay" movement, which from it start also encompassed the transgender, lesbian, bi, etc. groups. Transgender activism is in a much dire spot than the gay movement, so I completely recognize they need specific representation. As the quote point out: the way to do this, is to hoist a second flag. Preferably side by side. So-li-da-ri-ty.
By the by, I don't know of a single pink worker who doesn't also hate the progress flag. It was literally designed by a silicone valley yuppie, and promoted by unironic Big Capital.
I know Zizek is deeply unpopular on here nowadays, but his critique of the "+" in "LGBT+" is one of his most salient critiques and will out life him ( :( ).
>>2679I'm not going to pretend things are nearly as bad as they were even just 20 years ago, but "homophobia", or really just fear of the other, is structurally ingrained in society. That's also why pink PROLES make less wage overall: they are poised to accept worse conditions, because of their poor treatment on a societal level. The worse a region in is with gay rights, the lower the wages for pink workers. Go check it out.
No.2682
>>2681>old school homo activistshow us your lymph nodes
No.2683
>>305961
It was probably the first thing to come up on a search engine, and looked fine from a skim read. Again, read and compare to other sources.
No.2684
>>2666Fly both side by side. That really makes some heads spin.
>>2682Not THAT old.
No.2685
>>2684>Not THAT old.Lmao, I like you.
No.2686
>>2668I'd wager that most of those aren't communists. Like maybe we have one or two unironic nazbols or patsocs or weird ascetic guys hanging around, but I honestly kind of doubt it. It's mostly reactionaries (some probably actual Nazis) and possibly a few further right Russian nationalists pretending to be economically socialist in order to spread anti-gay propaganda. It's from the same playbook swarmfront used, which makes it kind of creepy because these guys are very determined. Most of the posts seem very cynical.
No.2687
>>2686Yeah, don't see how you can even claim to be a communist while oppressing the same groups right wingers have loved murdering throughout history.
No.2688
>>2687You
can be a communist and hate those groups, it's just that almost nobody who posts that shit here actually
is. No.2689
>>2687>>26864chan has been banning more VPNs and IPs, kiwifarms is down, hispachan is down, fbi.gov servers get shut down, and 4/pol/ + reddit + Twitter have waves of fixation of leftypol as some boogeyman. I've tried to figure out where they come from but to little success. They are drive by shitposters.
The Russian nationalist shit you got there is unfounded.
To be frank, they are lies to justify your ultra left colonial position on the Ukraine War. No.2690
>>2688>You can be a communist and hate those groupsThis is always said so causally, like being an actual, bonafide Communist is as easy as identifying as a Lamarckian or something.
No bitch, being a Communist takes work and effort. It's not something you can wish upon a star.
No.2691
>>2689>The Russian nationalist shit you got there is unfounded. There were morons here who genuinely believed Putin would declare USSR 2.0 during the first weeks of the war lmao. Like no, not all z-types are bad, but boy are there a lot of dipshits among them.
No.2692
>>2691We definitely got right wing pro Russian shit, which isn't obvious because the Ukrainian side shit was overwhelming. Both obvious glow ops have thankfully stopped.
Reactionary homophobic shit always rears its ugly head from time to time, but right now its the chillest its ever been. Nazbols, incels, among other reactionary ideolgues still post their shit.
Remain vigilant, be proactive, report often.
No.2693
>>2692>Both obvious glow ops have thankfully stopped. Agreed. It's amazing how much the site has improved from this alone. It's still pretty shit, but at least within expected margins.
No.2694
>>2689RE Russian nationalists - There's a guy who's been repeatedly banned from the gay porn thread for posting a .ru link of anti-gay propaganda, and the other day a Z flag guy was pushing some anti-gay propaganda in tandem with some weird holocaust denial shit. I don't personally know if these guys are Russian nationalists, but they remind me of back in the day before Crimea (and before /pol/ dominance too iirc) when Tesak came up on 4chan and a few random Russians showed up in the thread trying earnestly to defend the guy. I don't know what the game is, but even here these types don't seem to be socialists. Maybe it's even a false flag, but whatever it is it isn't socialism.
>>2690?
There are absolutely homophobic MLs. I just doubt much of any of the people trying to pass as homophobic MLs on this site are genuine.
No.2697
>>2695>>2696Not that anon. I want discussion over LGBTQIA+ issues to be removed from leftypol by making a unified site position and banning all reactionaries for an appropriate time period. Plenty of other communist social media like reddit never suffered from this problem. Reactionary phobes were immediately called out and banned. But here it's more insidious and gets defended by people who haven't done 2 minutes of research into the topic, asking for "sources" of "proof" that LGBTQIA+ people are oppressed just like the rest of the proletariat and even moreso, absolute absurdity
No.2698
>>2694Communism either A) does not care for gay liberation as it is outside of history and therefore there is nothing to say on the matter, or B) recognizes it as self-liberation by proletarians against bourgeois strata and therefore a revolutionary activity. This mumbo jumbo about this or that sexuality being bourgeois always conflates bourgeois culture with that of the proletariat (hence, signifying the commentator is, themself, bourgeois).
Ipso facto: you CAN NOT be a communist and homophobic. It is a contradiction. At best you can be silent on the subject.
No.2699
>>2684hey is it weird that i want to get drunk with you and listen to you talk about these types of things
No.2700
>>2697>I want discussion over LGBTQIA+ issues to be removed from leftypol by making a unified site position and banning all reactionaries for an appropriate time period.That's dumb. We're fine as is.
No.2701
>>2698That's not how ideologies work in practice. People can be for a stateless/classless society and also think that the gays are icky and would magically disappear under communism. Why? Because people are fucking dumb, and beliefs mix in all sorts of ways.
No.2702
>>2700Fair enough, but even supposedly non-homophobia anons tend to get pissed off when I or anyone else defends against reactionary homophobes. Lately I just ignore it and defend anyway.
No.2703
>>2697That's what the rules are already, just takes a while for mods to do something about it. Plus we know reactionaries are stupid because we get a lot of opportunity to make fun of any that come on here.
No.2704
>>2699maybe one day, Anon
🍻
>>2701Good thing I'm talking about Communism then, and not some wishy-washy ideology. You're also wrong that people are "fucking dumb". The average prole knows very well how the deck is stacked, and are de facto open to other (the labour movement carried both gay liberation AND black liberation well before the liberal ideal was even formulated). It is in our nature: we are social animals to our core.
This shit about Joe schmo being some hateful, unintelligent being is just bourgeois consciousness creeping up. Sort yourself out.
No.2705
>>2704I think calling them "dumb" is pretty forgiving when they are spreading hate against us.
No.2707
>>2673>Apparently caring about LGBTQIA+ people at all, or even being one, is by its nature "putting it above class" in the eyes of too many people on this site.If these people think that caring about [social issue]
at all is equated to putting it
above class, what does that say about how much these people care about class?
No.2708
>>2704>You're also wrong that people are "fucking dumb". The average prole knows very well how the deck is stacked, and are de facto open to other (the labour movement carried both gay liberation AND black liberation well before the liberal ideal was even formulated). The average might, but who said anything about the average?
I'm saying there are some people who hold economically socialist ideas who are also homophobes. It's not the average, but
some of those guys do exist. I never once said anything about Joe Schmo being
that guy - Joe Schmo is fine.
No.2709
>>2707Yeah, this is a fair point. They don't.
No.2710
>>2705I think all malice is rooted in some level of stupidity. Smart people are too busy trying to solve problems, or just learn more about the world around them. To stand by and hate, even for the sake of obtaining power for themself to rule over other, is to be too stupid to want to learn more, and too stupid to realize they don't need to rule over others to have their needs met. Malice is the seed of capitalism, may it burn as brightly as it's plant.
>>306019Fuck off glowie.
No.2711
>>2710>I think all malice is rooted in some level of stupidity. Smart people are too busy trying to solve problems, or just learn more about the world around them. To stand by and hate, even for the sake of obtaining power for themself to rule over other, is to be too stupid to want to learn more, and too stupid to realize they don't need to rule over others to have their needs met. Malice is the seed of capitalism, may it burn as brightly as it's plant.Yeah. You can't actually care about class and the liberation of the proletariat if you decide to instead tell other segments of the proletariat to shut up and keep quiet about the problems they face at the hands of capital. Instead, you are a liberal at best if you do that, thinking working within capitalism is all we can do, and a reactionary at worst who wants this oppression to continue after capitalism is overcome
No.2712
why do we need to hate eachother
all i want to do is wrap my arms around a guy and hear him say he loves me
No.2713
>>2712So cute anon I'm rooting for you
No.2714
>>2713are you being serious anon
No.2716
>>2715because 1. these posts are just garbage compared to everything else and 2. i never had anyone go "hey yeah good job ur gay :D"
No.2717
>>2541In other words, a regular developed socialist state?
No need for IdPol here.
No.2718
>>2717Learn what idpol means. Talking about issues that effect specific groups is not idpol.
No.2720
>>2718Yes it is. If you discuss it more so than you discuss class, you’re wasting your time.
No.2721
>>2717Great, where's the "regular developed socialist state" all the LGBTQIA+ people of the world can somehow move here. Yeah, I'd love if the place I live was socialist and theoretically these issues might get solved. But it's not that way now. So what is your point exactly?
No.2722
>>2720You just entered the LGBTQIA+ thread willingly then complain that it's discussing our issues. Please point out the posts saying class isn't primary. Oh wait there are none. So fuck off retard
No.2723
>>2720See the infographs
>>2672Please, just read theory/
No.2724
>>2672> what org?Literally every single liberal group + DSA.
No.2725
>>2724liberals are gonna lib, why is that my problem?
No.2726
>>2725Kick the libs out of the leftist movements. Every single one of them.
No.2728
>>2726Fair enough but what does it have to do with this thread. Seems like you're trying to falsely associate liberalism with LGBTQIA+ people in general as a form of homophobia. Fuck off with it. If not, then apologies.
No.2730
>>2727Yeah let's just move entire percentages of the global population to a small island which speaks a language they probably don't speak
>>2729Yeah let's have LGBT people supporting NATO oil imperialism
Great ideas guys
No.2731
>>2551This. The only people who get mad about using Queer are underage zoomers. It beats having to remember a hundred different acronyms and getting yelled at because you left an identity out.
No.2732
>>2728>what does it have to deal with this thread? You were talking about IdPol and I described how pointless it is if it is discussed more so than class. Quit being triggered.
No.2733
>>2731I've seen plenty of people make fun of all the letters in this thread, but nobody unironically complaining any letters were left out. So this seems like a straw man. I don't like the word "queer" it's literally a fucking slur to many people anon.
No.2734
>>2727>>2729They said "all the LGBTQIA+ people of the world can somehow move here." We don't have the financial means to go to those places.
No.2735
>>2734Swim and be a stowaway
No.2736
>>2733I usually flip a coin to use both, since I know the community is kinda split on which to use.
No.2737
I'm just going to quickly confess something
>Watching gay furry porn
>end up seeing video of two people having sexual intercourse in public like it's nothing
>feel extremely enraged and filled with just an absolute schizo-tier religious fervor and fury
>thinking about it makes me feel a bit like that
>it's fucking hell feeling the fallout of that
I don't know how I became simultaneously gay and an incel, but it happened.
No.2738
>>2737I usually just proceed with the assumption that's like, a sex district, where public fucking is allowed and people only go there if they consent to seeing people fucking.
Like how there's nudist beaches, but extend that to nearby gyms, laundromats, libraries, ect…
No.2739
We love our queers LGBTQIA+es, don't we, folks?
No.2740
>>2738I'm aware, but the first thing is that the description keenly notes that there was security on-site to prevent that exact thing from happening, firstly. Secondly, it's not just the idea that they're breaking the rules. I feel this sharp, biting pain as I realize that not only am I probably never going to do that, but even if I did, I wouldn't ever forgive myself. It's a problem because secretly I really do want to do that.
No.2742
>>2740Ah, I see. Well, once capitalism is gone, planned economies might make sex districts possible. At least as an experiment.
No.2743
>>2741Ah darn it all to heck
No.2744
>>2742But that's the thing anon, I'm conflicted to an extreme extent. I want to be this absolute carnal sex pervert, I want to get railed by 20 guys in one night back-to-back, I want to do all that perverted shit. But I know it won't be good for me. It's like… the best way I can compare it is to fucking Sweet from GTA: San Andreas of all things.
Like near the end of the game, he almost tries crack and gets addicted to it. I'm in the same boat, I want to try (and likely get addicted) to all of these perverted things, but I know in the end it won't be good for me.
No.2745
>>2741I wonder where the whole "adding an x to words that are already gender unspecific makes them unspecificer" thing came from. Like people who say Latinx as an alternative for Latino when Latine already exists and Latine people can actually pronounce it. I thought it was a glowop / 4chan thing but then my college sociology teacher used it.
No.2746
>>2742Not if the "sex outside cishet family raising norms is degenerate and needs to be banned" socialist strain is the one that leads our dictatorship.
No.2747
>>2744>I want to be this absolute carnal sex pervertDon't we all?
t.straight
No.2748
>>2747yeah but like yours is different to mine
No.2749
>>2746They won't tho. Because they are basically nonexistent. Now please stop worrying you homo lol
>>2748I don't know how I am different, my fellow pervert
No.2750
>>2745I'm told that latinx and similar terms are not supposed to be pronounced, and are meant for online and written works, kind of like how saying lol or lmao in real life just makes you look weird
No.2751
>>2745Speaking with x in Spanish is nice because it triggers the rightoids. Its also nice when you want to emphasize that something is agender.
It is incredibly common and widespread and not woke at all to use @. Like a cook: cociner@. You'd see them for example in job listings because they want to be explicit that they will hire any gender, not because they are woke. This has been a thing for decades, before gays were even accepted into society.
No.2752
>>2696That just sounds like "ban what i don't like" because you don't want to deal with any opposition.
> it doesn't matter if they're trueWouldn't it be important if criticism against you was true? Why wouldn't you take the opportunity to self reflect instead of choosing a comforting lie over a harsh truth?
No.2753
so does leftypol still think that being a faggot is a distraction from muh class struggle or whatever or have most of them finally taken the pinkpill/rainbowpill
t. 2016 era poster poking my head into the site
No.2756
>>2753I fucking hope not.
No.2757
>>2745If your sociology teacher in college is using it, then it’s a glowop.
No.2759
>>2753I'm a gay guy myself and I think this site is mostly gay-friendly
No.2760
>>2755We will have to move on to other alphabets then.
Also why isn't there a rainbow flag?
No.2761
posting once again to ask for help
how do I theoretically meet other gay people besides dating apps? how do I really "woo" them, even if I'm a mannish-looking bottom? (Besides the obvious matching personalities)
No.2763
>>2761get hobbies with other people be openly social
No.2764
>>2696I have a hypothesis, there are two kinds of people, normal people and subnormals. Subnormals are extremely drawn to repetition and normal people want to develop. This also correlates with whether you are a rightoid or a real person.
No.2765
>>2764correlates very strongly I should say
Maybe I should hammer this out a bit further but tbh these people to me aren't even human so why bother.
sry for off topic
No.2766
>>2764>>2765>normal = good so I'll give them the good trait without any statistical research to determine if the majority of people have the good trait>slaps sub- onto it even though the word abnormal already exists. Just there for fash aesthetic.>hehe look at me I'm pretending to have schizophrenia like the people in the memes.The jannies should make a PDF on how to make quality bait. I'm serious. When it's this smooth brained it isn't even fun, just a waste of bandwidth.
No.2767
>>2766sincerely sorry the bait isn't to your liking
No.2768
>be state the US doesn't like
<The US quite openly appeals to sexual minorities to try to disrupt society
>could try to be amenable to keep them away from being swayed to the US
<instead, embrace conservatives who want to have the right to beat them up on the street
why
No.2771
>>2769You don't need hormones (or any intervention) to "really be" trans. However, a lot of people find the hormones beneficial so they should be available as an option, and a more available one than surgery because they are more reversible.
No.2772
>>2769horomones increase quality of life and societal acceptance, especially in children that haven't finished puberty
>bro just tell society to treat you like a woman/male instead of an obvious transhumanist and everyone will do solol
No.2773
>>2772let me transhumanist post I have a pass fags
No.2774
>>2773fuk
*transhumanist
tr4an3y
No.2776
>>2769also it's so funny how trapnsparent this shit is like
"look at this ugly gigahon wtf don't listen to this thing it's probably a pedophile" is such a convincing argument that trans people don't need to try and appear cis or change their appearance with hormones for their own self esteem and self expression
No.2777
>>2769Nah.
I'm kinda neither here nor there wrt when it's best to start hormones - not my area of expertise. But if you experience dysphoria and you've identified it, and esp. if you're
diagnosed, then you should be taking hrt. Like even if you're late, afaik the current medicine says that it'll improve your quality of life a lil' bit. A trans person who doesn't
want to take hormones is unironically sus. If you identify as a woman but you wanna keep cis male testosterone levels then I'm gonna doubt you even if I don't
say it.
No.2778
>>2775only because fags keep calling me fag instead of troon. I'm just trying to get things straight (badum tss) here
No.2779
Like, when it comes to the question of dysphoria as a mental health issue, then HRT is essential. All this other shit about "you don't have to experience dysphoria to be trans!!", "you don't have to take HRT to be trans!!" and whatever… like that's fine, you shouldn't necessarily be ridiculed just because you, uh, identify as a gender you don't feel like, but when it comes to people who do experience dysphoria then the question of whether they have access to HRT, whether they go through puberty with gender dysphoria, etc. is actually a question with medical and social significance. I don't necessarily know the answer to the question, but it's still relevant.
No.2780
>>2539Right? It would've been more convincing if they had just cropped it to this.
Rightoids make memes like tourist restaurants make food. They just add too much cheese for the spectacle of it.
No.2781
>>2780nooooo you must understand the person im strawwomanning is UGLY
No.2782
>>2779>because you, uh, identify as a gender you don't feel likeYou do remember gender euphoria is a thing, right? Being trans isn't defined by being depressed, that's a glowop to medicalize transness.
No.2783
>>2782Gender euphoria is the euphoric feeling of one's sex/appearance matching one's gender… it's not the, uh, feeling of euphoria at
mismatch. That's dumb, anon.
No.2784
>>2780i have no mouth and i must strawman
t. that anon
No.2785
>>2783>it's not the, uh, feeling of euphoria at mismatch.Correct. Also didn't imply that.
No.2786
>>2782the way I see it is let people adopt whatever gender roles they want or feel most comfortable with but gender dysphoria is an actual medical condition that impairs quality of life so if HRT is necessary then that's understandable in a medical sense
No.2787
>>2771>>2772I feel as if most of the positive effects of hormones in the lives of trans people are more indicative of the environment they are within, as opposed to being the result of the hormones themselves. If it isn't too inhumane for most, we should do tests where some trans people are given hormones and others sugar pills, and see how their lives are doing a few months to years later.
>>2776I only said that trans people don't *have* to take hormones, and it's something that - as a trans person - I've noticed is a very common sentiment. Taking hormones and presenting as a gender besides the one you were assigned at birth are *not* mutually exclusive.
No.2788
>>2783Exactly, they're related, but they're not mutually inclusive. Trans people don't all have gender dysphoria, and not everyone with gender dysphoria is trans (cis people get gender affirming surgeries too, with greater ease than trans people in fact.).
Like I don't understand how
>>2783 came to such a conclusion. Did they just forget to account for nonbinary people?
No.2789
>>2785Well how are you contradicting me then?
>>2788What exactly is the point then?
Whether gender
dysphoria makes you feel bad, or gender
euphoria makes you feel good, you still have an incentive to pursue HRT either way because it would result in a better feeling than
not pursuing it. Saying "gender euphoria also exists!" doesn't contradict the medical implications of gender dysphoria - if anything, it
reinforces them.
Dysphoria itself, though, is clearly still a greater mental health issue than, uh, people who don't experience dysphoria but
do experience gender euphoria. Both conditions support treatment, but dysphoria specifically also presents a more pressing issue specifically of people walking around hating their bodies more than they need to. How that should be treated takes priority over how people who don't have that problem are treated…
obviously. What is there to debate about that?
No.2790
>>2789>Saying "gender euphoria also exists!" doesn't contradict the medical implications of gender dysphoria I'm not sure how you thought it did?
That was a response to "because you, uh, identify as a gender you don't feel like"
Just because someone doesn't have dysphoria doesn't mean they don't "feel like that gender."
You seem to forget that gender euphoria isn't something exclusively rooted in "looking one's gender" because not everyone has a gender with a particular look.
No.2791
It's significative that we have a ghetto in leftypol and it's in siberia. Communists of this site are in delay from the social development of our time.
No.2792
>>2790Ah. Alright. Yeah, sorry.
No.2793
>>2791This isn't a ghetto lmfao.
Being gay isn't revolutionary. It's nice, yeah, we deserve the same rights as anybody else certainly, but gayness isn't inherently leftist.
No.2794
>>2791>>2793The problem with "existing is resisting" rhetoric is that capitalism coopts everything it touches.
No.2795
>>2792Oh don't worry comrade, I could've worded things better to start with.
>>2791I think it's more like a countryside than a ghetto. We get to talk about politics, but aren't constrained to that.
No.2796
>>2787>I feel as if most of the positive effects of hormones in the lives of trans people are more indicative of the environment they are within, as opposed to being the result of the hormones themselves. If it isn't too inhumane for most, we should do tests where some trans people are given hormones and others sugar pills, and see how their lives are doing a few months to years later.Anon, you're flat out wrong. Hormones change everything from mood, to personality, to body fat distribution and sexual function. I'm not sure what you thought they did, that they would be comparable to sugar pills. For some people they do nothing, for those specific people maybe sugar pills are equivalent. But for most people there are drastic effects
No.2799
>>2798oh no i forgot to do that actually
but do you realllyyy wanna know what i did
No.2800
>>2787>I feel as if most of the positive effects of hormones in the lives of trans people are more indicative of the environment they are within, as opposed to being the result of the hormones themselves.Spoken like somebody who has never been on some kind of medication that they needed. It's well understood that hormones and other interventions improve survivability and mental health in general. This isn't the first time anybody thought of testing that.
>>2796The sugar pill thing is standard procedure for scientific testing. You test against a placebo to ensure the effects are actually the medicine and not the placebo effect. That part isn't wrong except the presumption that this hasn't already been tested.
No.2801
>>2799Yeah, I do wanna know
No.2802
>>2801ugh fineee
I nailed myself with a dildo and almost fisted myself while listening to literal "animation meme"-tier music No.2804
>>2803huh… "the age of consent is 18 - why shouldn't puberty be too?"
No.2805
>>2804the right will claim that teenagers should be forced to be sexually mature because they're all pedophiles who are projecting their degeneracy onto queer people
No.2806
>>2805hm… there's no reason why the government couldnt just treat yearly histerelin rod injections like a vaccination against a disease. i think i actually agree with you. there's no reason teenagers should be sexually active or have puberty if that's just going to get them in trouble with the law. i wont lie, things wouldve been a shitload easier for me in my adult life if i just got a histrelin shot every year as a teenager.
No.2807
>>2803Hormone treatment is a big deal. It's often worth it for trans people, including kids, but it's not something to be taken so lightly that you'd just implement a policy like that. There's a weird (idealist) notion that medicine is like healing magic from fantasy and you just take some pills and the pills fix you. The reality is biology is an extremely complex system and if you go messing with one thing you are likely to change other things with it. This is why drugs often have major side effects. The human body isn't a computer program that simulates blood sugar level and displays a hunger meter. We are a mass of extremely complex chemistry where every system is interacting in some way with every other system. There's a reason the Hippocratic Oath says "first do no harm." Medical intervention often has negative side effects, so it's not something you should fuck around with, only use when you have an actual problem you are trying to treat or avoid.
No.2808
>>2803I know, know KNOW this is a troll, like it's literally impossible that it isn't… but I'm still going to argue with it - puberty is what's important, the number isn't. The vast majority of people complete puberty considerably before 18, the choice of 18 (and previously 21) relates to cultural standards relating to completion of sexual maturity. Sex hormones impact characteristics besides just sex and appearance - they also drive muscle growth, which has implications wrt occupation. Those few who have serious developmental delays or no puberty are a small enough exception that it makes some logistical sense to set 18 as an age of majority. Puberty is crucial to development for the vast majority of people, and if you delayed it for that long then it wouldn't make sense to give access to it at 18
because those people would not be adults. Sexual maturity is the biological truth around which legal adulthood was defined, if by 18 nobody had hit puberty then you could not realistically draw any line there where they would be "responsible enough" to decide on what kind of puberty they should have. The legal implications of adulthood don't stand if you force everyone to be a child.
No.2809
>>2804Age of consent is 16 most places. Highkey 18 is dumb. There are worse ages of consent - some places in the world set it at like 21, so 18 is fine compared to that. 16 shouldn't be age of
majority, but there's no universe where highschoolers fucking is a bigger risk than highschoolers driving or where people who can do algebra can't be trusted with decisions about their own bodies.
No.2810
Tbh there's also a significant conflation of age of majority with adulthood, and that just kinda blinds people. There's no magical change that happens when you turn 18 - the actual change happens like 5 or 6 years earlier and it's usually through by the time you hit majority. Majority is when you can vote and when all the country's constitutional rights are supposed to apply to you, but there are a lot of things (work, sex, etc.) where it doesn't really have much relation, ages of consent, driving ages, working ages, etc. are usually set a little bit earlier because all setting them later would do would delay people or create unnecessary crimes for people who refused to adhere to the delays.
No.2811
>>2808Nicely said anon, imagine advocating modifying the bodies of every person to match arbitrary lines in the sand dreamt up by the owning class. No, cis people will NOT be forced to take puberty blockers. Retard tier take
No.2812
>>2803Okay so like, me and everyone else when it comes to the debate of minors and hormones believe that minors need to go through puberty. I believe that it'd be a better solution to implement a culture that accepts trans people for who they are without hormone, and others believe it's necessary medical treatment that cures gender dysphoria that has a considerably higher efficacy when done at an earlier age. We both have generally reasonable points of view, but why do you have this complete bohemian and almost fantastical view on the subject matter where you believe people shouldn't go through puberty at all?
No.2814
>>2812Teens wanting hormones isn't about "being accepted as who they are" they want to look like cis girls and they do NOT want to look like hons, no, we aren't going to "[change culture to be more accepting of looking like a transhumanist]" bitch I want to look like a girl and I wish I transitioned at 13, same for the youngshits
No.2815
what is Demi sexual ?
No.2816
>>2815Demi lova lova Lovato
anything demi, Demihuman, Demigod
No.2817
>>2815it's when you can only
SEX someone you're romantically attracted to.
No.2818
>>2813link the manga you fuck
No.2819
>>2818search for jairou on kemono.party
No.2820
>>2817So a healthy human being then
No.2821
>>2820But it's only romantic attraction, not sexual attraction. Think couples who met in multiplayer games and forums, or who have waifus from books with no canon visual depiction.
I don't know the difference between that and just being asexual but something-romantic. Maybe demisexual was a term that cropped up before people considered sexual and romantic as being two different orientations.
I get why people would want to stick with it tho. I'm technically pan but call myself bi since that's the more well known of the two.
No.2822
>>2821>>2820>>2817>>2815sounds like a more accurate term for that would be romance-sexual
No.2823
>>2820What's a healthy human? apparently its going out and having lots of
SEX with random strangers?
No.2825
>>2822yeah,and aromatic should be named aromantic,but what can you do
No.2827
>>2826Products of their time.
Castro actually rescinded this and Cuba AFAIK is the only country to ever officially apologize for discriminating against gays.
No.2828
>>2827>products of their timethen why do people worship them and their specific ideologies like gods when they are merely a product of their time?
No.2829
>>2828because you're a liberal or anarchist who projects their own worship because you're a liberal?
No.2831
>>2828Charles Darwin thought you could talk to the death through seances.
Doesn't mean evolution is false.
No.2832
>>2831the thing is most people I see here simply support opinion A because favorite revolutionary figure said so
No.2837
>>2836On further inspection, most of those appear to be fake. Can't hard confirm like the Marx one tho.
No.2838
Also,
>>2827Kill yourself bourgie. The labour movement has always been decades ahead of liberal social justice and this has not changed.
No.2840
>>2839Fuck off with that meme dialectics shit.
No.2841
>>2840>Fuck off with that meme dialectics shit.I hope that was sarcasm. If not then I blame glowies like Agent Kochinski for funneling twitter users to here.
No.2842
>>2841Personally, I blame fakes like you who get their theory from the internet.
No.2843
>>2839Rich of you to talk about reading anything, considering you have the reading comprehension of… well, a /leftypol/ poster.
>>2840>>2842Thank you for still using your brain.
No.2844
>>2843>accuses that anon of lacking reading comprehension but doesn't explain how.>Doesn't refute the dialectic>Thank you for still using your brain.The Base-Superstructure Dialectic is a pretty good response to most idpol, such as
>>2838, I don't think they misread anything.
No.2845
>>2844I pointed out mere facts, dumdum. Sad your brain is so rotten you can't discern that from identity politics.
No.2846
>>2838>>Products of their time.>The labour movement has always been decades ahead of liberal social justice and this has not changed.[current year] + 10x is still defined with respect to [currrent year], Einstein
No.2847
>>28461) You got baited by fake quotes; and
2) You are so ignorant of actual history you do not know the labour movement was initially synonymous with anti-racism, and created safe places for queer people. Fuck, every third Bolshevik took it up the bum, and some of the highest ranking lived a life SCARED of their homosexuality until they became active in the real movement. Almost as if labour practice and queer practice go hand in hand, not that you know.
Entirely inline with the bourgeois consciousness this thread is inundated with, like the slander about the proles that is parroted in earnest because you scumbags are all as far removed from actual working schmoes as can be. Including, if not especially, queer proles.
No.2848
i'll ask my crush out this friday:)
No.2849
>>28471) You are an idealist denying historical materialism and the situation of these historical movements within history.
2) That's it. Cope harder.
No.2850
>>2849I’m so confused as to what you’re arguing
No.2851
>>2850First correct thing you said.
No.2852
>>2850Me too. What the fuck is this post even saying:
>>2846 No.2853
>>2845>mere factsIt was actually an opinion in response to someone else's reply, which while an innocuous opinion on it's own, became idpol in implication.
>>2827>Products of their time.>Castro actually rescinded this and Cuba AFAIK is the only country to ever officially apologize for discriminating against gays.stimulus
>>2838>Also,>>>2827>Kill yourself bourgie. The labour movement has always been decades ahead of liberal social justice and this has not changed.response
What did
>>2827 have to do with "liberal social justice."
No.2854
>>2584>NO men or chasers allowed!what about the butch transbian in men's clothing and the transbian who used to be a chaser
be careful who you let in because we're not all anime catgirls IRL
No.2856
>>2824>demisexualan oddly specific label for not being a slut
i don't see how this is on-par with being LGBT given how socially acceptable it is to be demi
it also doesn't explain as a word your sexual orientation with regard to gender. You're gonna be L, G, B, or Straight, regardless of if you only feel sexually attracted to people you're also romantically attracted to
No.2857
>>2856They can have a word anon, "not a slut" is a phrase not a word. They didn't even get a letter. quityerbitchin
No.2858
>>2856>>2857Also, not being demisexual doesn't mean you're a slut. It relates to sexual attraction. Not sexual behavior. Most people probably are not demisexual. They feel sexual attraction towards people but they don't act on it.
No.2859
…against the idea that "demi" is relevant or queer
>>2858>not a slutSorry about the exaggeration.
I'm being hyperbolic/jokey, not literal. Not here to slut-shame people who can get off to someone they're not dating/friends with/close to. I'm making the point that demi-sexual is a misnomer because it makes it sound like a sexual orientation when it's not. It's also a misnomer implying that someone is partially. sexual, when it's more like they're conditionally sexual. I dated a demisexual person who obviously felt horny, was only attracted to men (had an actual sexual orientation), had sex with me before we actually dated (we were friends) and even went on to cheat on me. I just don't get the importance of this distinction when it's so banal and hardly queer in the typical sense.
demi people be like:
>I identify as straight and I’m not in any way a prude, but I need to have a deep emotional connection with someone before any sexual feelings appear.But when was it the default to assume everyone must at some point lust after someone they're not emotionally close to?
What's the word for not-demisexual? I'm not saying demisexuality doesn't exist. I just question:
(1) The need for a label
(2) The implication that being nondemisexual is the assumed default
(3) The choice of root "demi" for the label
(4) The implication that not wanting to fuck someone you don't know makes you LGBTQIABC++
No.2860
>>2629Men used to ear high heels ad makeup, men used to do ballet, men used to write letters to watch other, etc.
Masculinity is truly nothing but aesthetics
No.2861
>>2860Men still do ballet, and every man in show business wears makeup. How is writing letters un-masculine?
No.2862
>>2861Because we have email for that now
No.2864
>>2862>Depends on internet availabilityWe're not going to have the internet forever, capitalists can only extract so much money from it before deciding it poses more of a threat to capitalism than it's worth. Just look at what they're doing to phones, people don't bother to pick up the phone anymore thanks to spam calls.
We have to be ready for the 'people on bikes carrying USBs in a backpack' era of the internet.
>Can't attach flat things like keys, cards, coins, origami, ect… No.2865
ImI'm just gonna call the whoel movment 'queer' because its one sylalble and covers most of it.
so whats up my Q folk
yuo can t prove I'm drunk
No.2866
>>2864>not having wifi in your backpackNot gonna meshnet sis
No.2868
>>2865>so whats up my Q folkdon't say that out loud, you might attract a different crowd lol
No.2869
>>2867this looks like an iPhone wallpaper.its cool. I'm demiseuxal now.
No.2870
>>2867I like the gay(male) flag, wish it were more common like the trans flag or even the lesbian flag
No.2871
>>2869what is the difference between demi and pan
Also idc labels but what level of fruity am i?
Like i'm gay for love, i would have sex with a man if my wife's soul transferred into him
what flag can i get
i am extremely devoted to the object of my desire
No.2872
>>2864The good news is that this won't happen unless there is a wide-scale collapse of the telecom systems; the why is the bad news - the Internets have been their playground from the beginning and have brought them a *lot* of profit and is probably the best counter-insurgency tool.
>>2865Too bad "Q" is associated with rightoid skitzos now.
No.2873
>>2864>We have to be ready for the 'people on bikes carrying USBs in a backpack' era of the internet.This is why you should be scraping as much data as you can. It's not guaranteed that capitalists will provide us with for example complete access to exhaustive archives of the writings of Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc. like we have no. Save everything. If you view something on the internet, save it, assume it will be gone in 10 minutes
No.2874
>>2848he said yasss!!!! holy fucking shit
No.2875
>>2874Nice, happy for you
No.2876
Anyone willing to engage a little on a dum dum level about gender politics, in good faith? I can state my positions or whatever if people think this is bait or something.
US trans idpol chaos has arrived near here, just now of all times. I have a feeling that the maximalist trans rights campaign that might have been appropriate in the end of history, in an urbanized context within the global hegemon, is not welcome here at all. People don't have the education here, they haven't even had educated people among them for decades, all the young emigrate.
No.2877
>>2876i don't see why you need education here
man, woman, non-binary is not really some foreign, elite thing that only westoids can comprehend
you don't even need to be literate for that stuff
No.2878
>>2877I'm sympathetic, less so in the last couple of years tbh, but people here are not and have not been historically.
I'll agree with them when they talk about elite narratives falling apart right now, and they see what they call trans ideology as part of an elite narrative. I've been saying the western establishment narratives are collapsing globally to people too btw. People here are questioning why other countries don't push SSRIs like the US does too.
I don't have a response when people point out countries that have stricter trans identification protocols yet apparently have better outcomes, like the nordic countries.
Has any country's medical organization actually come out and defined all the medical and psychological protocols and health implications surrounding trans issues, for parents? Like gone on record, something I can point to?
A narrative here is that when one kid in a class identifies as trans, the incentives in place mean that suddenly half the school is trans and chaos ensues, like a hysteria.
I don't have kids. If a father without an education says that he has the right to have a serene learning environment for his kids I don't argue. It's near impossible for kids to get an education in their current info environment as it is. I don't accept views like this from educated urban friends fwiw.
No.2879
>>2876>In good faithI'll try.
I feel like decompressing the way you describe these things might help. You're using a lot of catchy yet cryptic lingo, though I imagine these are how it's been described to ya.
>US trans idpol chaosAre you not in the US? Is there anything going on over there that feels uniquely burger or do you just associate the discourse with the US?
>maximalist trans rights campaignHmm, not sure what maximalist means here.
>that might have been appropriate in the end of historyMad Max shit? There better be motorcycles involved.
>in an urbanized context within the global hegemon, is not welcome here at all. People don't have the education here, they haven't even had educated people among them for decades, all the young emigrate.I imagine more people in your city simply feel apathetic towards it than against it. That may be the media feeding you the idea it's unwelcome. Especially if it's a region known to be uneducated, and therefor likely to take the media at it's word.
No.2880
>>2878>I'll agree with them when they talk about elite narratives falling apart right now, and they see what they call trans ideology as part of an elite narrative.Who are 'they' in this context?
>Has any country's medical organization actually come out and defined all the medical and psychological protocols and health implications surrounding trans issues, for parents?Well due to a lot of censorship, and even the big book burning in WW2, trans research has been set back a considerable amount, but yeah there's some. I haven't looked into it much myself though, so i'll have to look into it.
No.2881
>>2879>>In good faith>I'll try.Appreciate it. I can absolutely see how trans people would be extremely suspicious of supposedly good faith discussion.
>>US trans idpol chaos>Are you not in the US? Is there anything going on over there that feels uniquely burger or do you just associate the discourse with the US?It all feels burger tbh. The anti trans positions and arguments and behaviours now made here are totally informed and constructed from a US social media evangelical perspective. The pro trans positions are from the extremely online idpol sections of the US online culture. Both are out of context here to me tbh, and to people here.
>>maximalist trans rights campaign>Hmm, not sure what maximalist means here.The sports thing for one. I feel like I've been maximally pro trans in my life, but some trans people having a clear physical advantage just never flew with me and it will never fly here. People take women's sport seriously here and the optics just remove the credibility from any pro trans discussions.
People here also wouldn't support giving puberty blockers without some kind of offical statement that this is government medical policy or something. It all seems driven by online culture in the US to them. I kind of agree with that tbh. I had always assumed that there were extremely stringent psychological and environmental assessments carried out before people were given puberty blockers.
>>2879
>>that might have been appropriate in the end of history>Mad Max shit? There better be motorcycles involved.End of history in the geopolitical sense. US hegemony maybe coming to an end. Aren't there a lot of things that don't make sense any more now that history has restarted?
>>in an urbanized context within the global hegemon, is not welcome here at all. People don't have the education here, they haven't even had educated people among them for decades, all the young emigrate.>I imagine more people in your city simply feel apathetic towards it than against it. That may be the media feeding you the idea it's unwelcome. Especially if it's a region known to be uneducated, and therefor likely to take the media at it's word.People certainly aren't apathetic, I'd kind of prefer if they were on this issue. I'd classify it as a feeling of empathy without willingness to change the color and nature of their lives. People here agree that trans people have certainly always existed in small numbers and seem pretty open to equality (from their perspective they have treated the few out trans people in society in a moral way historically), but are not willing to accept explanations for the recent explosion in numbers and how the issue dominates the discourse. Particularly around schools.
>>2880
>>>311011>>I'll agree with them when they talk about elite narratives falling apart right now, and they see what they call trans ideology as part of an elite narrative.>Who are 'they' in this context?Everyday people around here.
>>Has any country's medical organization actually come out and defined all the medical and psychological protocols and health implications surrounding trans issues, for parents?>Well due to a lot of censorship, and even the big book burning in WW2, trans research has been set back a considerable amount, but yeah there's some. I haven't looked into it much myself though, so i'll have to look into it.People bring up the policies of the nordic countries, which are stricter than the US apparently, as a gotcha. It's all from US religious right wing online talking points. When I ask exactly where and how people get informed on events and politics it's a fucking disaster. They are being fed peterson and shapiro and worse every time they look at a screen.
Hope I'm not sounding like a provocateur or something. These issues are the first thing that people have brought up in conversation with me, out of nowhere. I can't help seeing it as the new wedge issue, pushed as a distraction by both kinds of liberals, with trans people stuck in the middle.
No.2882
>>2876>I'm not sure the place I live is ready to stop oppressing trans people, but I'm willing to hear what you have to say, present your arguments in front of me pleaseFuck off
No.2883
>>2878>Has any country's medical organization actually come out and defined all the medical and psychological protocols and health implications surrounding trans issues, for parents? Like gone on record, something I can point to?Trans people are an oppressed minority, there is often lacking good medical research, the "Standards of Care" in many advanced countries is woefully out of date. Unironically if you want the most advanced healthcare you have to ignore your local healthcare institutions and do international research online then demand that the doctor give you what you want, and if they refuse, find another doctor
Half the time the doctor literally ends up saying "we're not sure if this is the best but we can do it if you want" because nobody gives a fuck about doing medical research on trans healthcare because trans people are treated like garbage
Stop saying "narrative" and "ideology" it's a TYPE OF PERSON.
No.2884
>>2881>End of history in the geopolitical sense. US hegemony maybe coming to an end. Aren't there a lot of things that don't make sense any more now that history has restarted? Trans people have existed all over the world for all of recorded history, stop pushing this bullshit idea that trans rights are some western US concept
No.2885
>>2881>The sports thing for one. I feel like I've been maximally pro trans in my life, but some trans people having a clear physical advantage just never flew with me and it will never fly here. People take women's sport seriously here and the optics just remove the credibility from any pro trans discussions.Convert to weight or strength class based brackets. Top athletes are already genetic outliers that have biological advantages over the rest of the competition and the general competition. Why is it trans people being singled out? If it was a real issue we'd see trans women winning sports competitions at rates exceeding their small percentage of the population, but we are NOT seeing that. Instead just a few isolated incidents that right wing media picks up on to demonize us.
No.2886
>>311205
>Actually reading about a topic makes you an "essentialist" whatever that is
No.2887
>>311209
Not really, it prevents people who aren't naturally small from being gymnasts, etc. There are tons of categories of people who cannot compete in particular sports at all due to the genetics, in any sex category. Sounds like you just want to expand that to include trans people. Just transphobia
No.2888
>>311209>>2887Imagine putting institutions above people and dehumanizing some people because they break the categories dreamed up ahead of time
No.2889
>>311216
I have no idea what you are you haven't posted anything substantial or worth reading
No.2890
>>2885>Strength bracketingInteresting, I've heard of weight bracketing having issues, where wrestlers would self destructive means of weight loss to meet just under their weight bracket, so whatever strength bracketing is, I imagine it'd be better for that, especially in non-fighting sports.
I was also thinking of something like chess's elo, where wins/losses would calculate where someone should bracket, but people can cheese that with intentional match throws.
No.2891
>>2853The "products of their time" reasoning is hokum, used to justify the current, liberal, and dominant culture as further progressed than whatever came before by function of de facto educating its subjects into being more open minded. My point was exactly that this is ahistoric and, as already pointed out, that the labour movement has always been the spearhead of what later became social justice topics (because liberalism is nothing but capitalist catch-up on social topics, such as anti-racism, queer politics, etc).
And no, that is not an opinion: it is the historic record. Again: sad that you can not discern the two but that is what imageboards do to your brain.
>>2850>>2852Just a petite moron who confuses inane screeching with intellect.
No.2892
>>2891>The "products of their time" reasoning is hokumIs it asking too much that you had simply said that in the first place, rather than just using liberal like a snarl term and leaving it to speculation? Because that's an interesting point that would've been much more fun to talk about.
No.2893
>>2892My post wasn't talour made for your consciousness, as is no post here. Or anywhere. What a bizarre line of reasoning.
Also fuck you, not only did I make that point: liberalism SHOULD be used in bitter contempt. Why would I have anything but contempt for the culture machinations of my oppressors?!
No.2894
>>2893Using liberal with the weight of calling someone a redditor is counter productive to that end. You should feel *way more contempt* towards liberals than to use the word in a way that makes it seem like an unserious accusation.
No.2895
>>2893>My post wasn't talour made for your consciousness, as is no post here. Or anywhere. What a bizarre line of reasoning.Yes, especially bizarre given that anon didn't say anything resembling that.
No.2897
>>2881 here again.
lame as it sounds, I'm here in good faith.
>>2883>>>311011>>Has any country's medical organization actually come out and defined all the medical and psychological protocols and health implications surrounding trans issues, for parents? Like gone on record, something I can point to?>Trans people are an oppressed minority, there is often lacking good medical research, the "Standards of Care" in many advanced countries is woefully out of date. Unironically if you want the most advanced healthcare you have to ignore your local healthcare institutions and do international research online then demand that the doctor give you what you want, and if they refuse, find another doctor
>Half the time the doctor literally ends up saying "we're not sure if this is the best but we can do it if you want" because nobody gives a fuck about doing medical research on trans healthcare because trans people are treated like garbage
>Stop saying "narrative" and "ideology" it's a TYPE OF PERSON.That can't be the message to parents though. This issue is dominating the discourse ffs. Where are the medical authorities giving official guidance? People barely trust any authority around here after the contradictory shitshow handling of covid, and you want them to accept this for their children based on….what?
>>2884
>>>2881>>End of history in the geopolitical sense. US hegemony maybe coming to an end. Aren't there a lot of things that don't make sense any more now that history has restarted? >Trans people have existed all over the world for all of recorded history, stop pushing this bullshit idea that trans rights are some western US conceptFully agree that trans people have existed throughout history. The trans rights campaign of the last 15 years is absolutely a US concept imo, and has been co-opted by elements of the US establishment for geopolitical ends.
There are many things unique to the US that are not welcome in other countries. The opiate crisis, the massive over prescription of SSRIs, the largest incarcerated population in the world…it goes on. The US tries to push it's ideologies globally and if history had just stayed stopped, it might have worked.
>>2885
>>>2881>>The sports thing for one. I feel like I've been maximally pro trans in my life, but some trans people having a clear physical advantage just never flew with me and it will never fly here. People take women's sport seriously here and the optics just remove the credibility from any pro trans discussions.>Convert to weight or strength class based brackets. Top athletes are already genetic outliers that have biological advantages over the rest of the competition and the general competition. Why is it trans people being singled out? If it was a real issue we'd see trans women winning sports competitions at rates exceeding their small percentage of the population, but we are NOT seeing that. Instead just a few isolated incidents that right wing media picks up on to demonize us.I agree that sport is in itself bullshit, the whole thing is a ridiculous spectacle. I watch a bullshit sport where the officials actively manipulate the game to engineer final minute drama. People here love it and just won't change their entire conception of it without the government coming out and enforcing trans participation in the way the trans community wants it.
Fundamentally, I guess I'm saying that people here are gonna need some authoritative societal organizations to come out and definitively state to parents with children in education what the reality is.
Maybe I should state my ideal world:
Absolutely full rights and equality and protection from discrimination for trans people.
Trans men are men, trans women are women. Trans people whose personal history might confer a perceived athletic advantage will understand that they don't compete until body modification tech has improved.
A government administered system where puberty blockers are only prescribed to children with a long history of dysphoria.
No.2898
>>2570>concern trolling over a clearly sarcastic shitpost Kek
No.2899
>>2884>Trans people have existed all over the world for all of recorded history Damn this is some schizoshit
No.2901
>>2900They're afraid of the notion that the cavewoman tradwife of their dreams might've had a dick under her loincloth.
No.2902
>>311205>>2899I don't know about Ancient times, but I recall the existence of a XVIIth century book by a Dutch man of law compiling various curious cases, among them a lawcase where someone's testament was cancelled because they were deemed insane for being born male but identifying as a woman.
No.2907
Why do people on this site conflate us with liberals and western imperialists?
No.2908
>>2898>Shit posting right wing idpol and getting called out on it then saying its just a jokeCongratz you fooled us into thinking you're retarded
No.2909
>>2907they don't know enough homosexuals and
overintake of edgy memes and twitter screencaps have ruined their perception of reality
No.2911
>>2910this is oriented towards people in the US
No.2912
You literally can't have any trans person come up in the news on the main board without someone endlessly arguing about how they're liberal and western imposed and delusional. It's exhausting, I'm not even trans.
No.2913
>>2912It's all very tiring
No.2914
>>2912>It's exhaustingThis is the point of both liberal and rightoid propaganda, however you delineate the two categories.
I call this the schizo glow complex
No.2915
>>2907Main board is becoming a reactionary sinkhole that is only communist in the superficial and self-flattering sense.
No.2916
>>2915Posting should require captchas that ask you a random trivia question about Marxism
No.2917
>>2914Is it a coincidence how all "Schizoposting" all just seems to further rightiod aims?
No.2918
>>2915The problem is that people won't let go of "anti-IdPol" and pretend like every year is 2016.
No.2919
>>2918No, actually they are very pro-idpol, it's just anti-lgbt idpol, but they like to pretend idpol only means pro-lgbt "idpol" which isn't even idpol but rather accurate descriptions of reality.
No.2921
>>2920This is part of the flaw of bourgeois democracy, that public support even matters on these issues. No, you don't get to take away people's rights based on your own opinion even if you're the majority. How do we protect people targeted by ignorance majority masses?
No.2922
>>2918Eh, some of the "anti-idpol" is well founded and an intuitive response against class warfare, even if wrapped in language that appears counter-productive. To throw a blanket mark on all of it, is to throw out the proverbial baby (as the mods do frequently).
To be honest I don't know what is to be done at this point. This shit has been going on almost since /leftypol/s inception, and has been increasing in impudence linearly with the distance to /pol/. I'm highly skeptical the recent batch of mods also didn't include a number of reactionaries (going by experience, there), but I guess we will see.
On the other hand, it's not like this fucking thrash heap of a site is worth preserving. Honestly people here might be better off branching off.
>>2921I made a post about how the perception that reactionary positions are supported by the proletariat is a bourgeois misconception, as those are the opinions of an unorganized and not class-conscious mass. But the mods deleted it, so I guess it isn't a /leftypol/ Approved(tm) opinion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>2916Anon, almost nobody would be left to post.
Let's do it!
No.2923
>>2922>I made a post about how the perception that reactionary positions are supported by the proletariat is a bourgeois misconception, as those are the opinions of an unorganized and not class-conscious mass. But the mods deleted it, so I guess it isn't a /leftypol/ Approved(tm) opinion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Wow sounds like a great post, any theory links that informed it?
No.2924
>>2922>Honestly people here might be better off branching off.Where? I don't even know of anywhere. Maybe just real life instead.
No.2925
>>2924I'm sure there's an inordinately tech-wise furry on here somewhere.
>>2923Lifted (almost) straight from Marx' letters.
No.2926
>>2912Its not much better when its gay guys either tbh.
I remember That One Thread when a patriot front guy tried to shoot up a parade somewhere in the midwest not too long ago and the article made a typo making the reader think the guy came out as gay irl (he is a straight married guy) and the whole thread was spamming Le Gorky quote and deversing pol tier homophobia.
No.2927
Why does every pride flag look like pure shit? The trans flag is the least ugly and it still sucks it look like a candy bar
No.2928
>>2907Because your fight for equal rights and protection from discrimination has been co-opted by western porky and the MIC as a tool to maintain hegemony imo. Your fight has become a convenient wedge issue for both sides, like women's right and abortion in the past.
No.2930
the word filter converting transgender into transhumanist is BS
No.2931
>>2930wait does it not apply on siberia?
No.2932
>>2931The word filter is 7r4nny > transhumanist. Transgender isn't filtered.
No.2933
>>2539How do you guys deal with how our existence is some debate somehow rather than just a thing people learn about then move on with their lives? I swear even on this site where we'd expect communists to be the most advanced proletariat, instead there are tons of people who spread bullshit misinformation about us
Sure class is paramount, but there's something to these marginalized positions where the majority of people don't even understand us. This applies to other groups too clearly but I can't speak for them. I feel there must be some responsibility among ourselves to push for our own rights rather than assume the abolition of class will solve everything. How can it when even those who claim to want to abolish class still believe misinformation bullshit about us?
No.2934
The "Economically Left but actually reactionary" crowd is malding in the Cuba referendum thread. Funny how they now vocally condemn Cuba from their armchairs like the radlibs they oppose.
>>2922What we need to do is look at that the "anti-idpol left" has been so far and from what I've seen, its mostly produced a bunch of right-opportunists who want to appeal to the lowest and most reactionary common denominator. Instead of working to overcome these beliefs and attitudes, they would have us embrace such beliefs in the name of "appealing to the working class." They would have one think that anybody who what LGBT+ automatically gets a nice job and an apartment in a gentrified neighborhood when they come out, instead of facing ostracism at best.
No.2936
>>2933It is unfortunate, however I'm happy my existence makes homophobes seethe, resentment is a two way street.
No.2937
>>2936It's more than just seething though, they are politically organized and aiming to take away our rights worldwide
No.2938
>>2935MAGA communism was obviously an op but it's nice to have some slight confirmation. My guess is it's meant to poison the well on communism further, which makes some sense as a strategy because Trump and Putin are associated in liberal minds, Putin is Russian, and Russia is associated with communism in everyone's minds, and there are a lot of communists and "communists" who consider Putin good or worth supporting in a geopolitical sense. It's really not a big stretch that they would try to conflate the two of them to scare idiot democrat vooters into going to le polls.
No.2939
>>2937We'll just have to be more organized than they are
No.2943
>>2941And both homosexualities exclude nonbinaries too.
No.2945
>>2944based to support accelerationism on number of genders and sexual orientations. kinda cringe to oppose self-identification into useful categories that can be used by people to find each other and discuss their unique shared experiences and issues. this doesn't solve anyone's issues because it doesn't forcibly reeducate reactionaries
No.2946
>>2944Based. Bold. Brilliant. Bonafide.
No.2947
>>2941It's not bait, misato, you self-centered jerk. Stop abusing your position to push your fragile interpretations with a moderator threat attached.
The first line is a parody for effect. The second line is a legitimate opinion, justified with an explanation. The term literally translates to 'attracted to two sexes'. There is no other reasonable way to interpret it. Furthermore, there is an implication in its current use that it means ANY one of the following:
> 'attracted to both sexes' - I can find dictionary definitions for you to verify this common usage. Explicitly implies the aforementioned false binary.> 'attracted to all sexes' - Implicitly suggests the aforementioned false binary, that 'bi' is all. Should be obsoleted in favor of Pansexual.>'attracted to both male and female' - Reasonable usage, so long as the legacy additive LGBT+ acronym is used instead of a more useful subtractive term (the real crux of the term is "non-hetero, non-cis". Bam, no SS shit, no pedos trying to insert into an acronym, no people feeling a need to list their rare obscure situation because they were excluded, no infighting over kicking a letter out) and that something akin to pansexual or other n>2 term is included.The concept of two sexes is BY SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS AND CHROMOSOME ANALYSIS, obsolete. Intersex people exist. They have existed for millennia. Sex is, at the very least, a spectrum rather than a binary. That's why it is important to obsolete terms that refer to an outdated two-sex paradigm.
But I guess that's not safe for comrades in a thread about sex and sexuality to discuss, right? Because you decided it's "bait". It's a sincere fucking conversation starter, not bait.
And even if it was a major flame or total joke (it isn't), you shouldn't be saying 'no fun allowed' just because you didn't find it funny. Leftypol isn't your safe space. People are allowed to reply to posts you don't like.
>>2943Eh, 'homosexual' doesn't imply the non-existence of nonbinary sexes in the same way 'bisexual'
frequently (but not inherently) does. See above.
No.2949
>>2947Anon, take some criticism. Your posts wording dogwhistles "lgb drop the t" transphobia. At least use a better post title
No.2950
>>2949Is this a dogwhistle too? ->
>>2944
>Your posts wording [references] "lgb drop the t" transphobia.It does. Yes. Like I said, it's a parody. I thought it was obvious and ridiculous enough that other people on leftypol wouldn't take it seriously, given the fact that we're here and not somewhere else. I'm happy to take criticism, maybe it was too believable, although I insist people on leftypol shouldn't normalize taking everything so seriously on an edgy albanian humor repository.
No.2953
>>2950Homophobia etc is very common on leftypol hence why I made this thread
No.2954
>>2953>>318914Like this utter retard poster
No.2955
>>2947Also you posted a pic of a dude killing a Nazi snake as if it's aggressive against bi, and by extension all lgbt people. Maybe you didn't intend it as bait, but it sure looks it
No.2956
>>318914
I cope by enjoying sex.
Even fascist orgs, churches and conservatives can't resist gay sex.
No.2957
>>2955Look, fair enough. Bad choice of image, I regret picking it.
No.2958
>>2944Arousal and consent are two different things. Best not to conflate them because people use that all the time to defend rape.
No.2959
>>318923
>The vast majority of people on the planet think you're subhuman
The vast majority truly do not care.
>It's western chauvinism to believe otherwise
Western chauvinism is what spread homophobia globally and continues to spread it particularly in Africa as part of Christian neo-colonialism.
No.2960
>>2959>Western chauvinism is what spread homophobia globally and continues to spread it particularly in Africa as part of Christian neo-colonialism.This. It's also why abrahamic variants of communism need to be called out the same way as patsoc garbage. Mistaking the root cause as being merely a 'western' thing is incomplete, they just had the means to further spread religion and pressure others to conform to its norms, similarly to islamic spread in asia and africa.
No.2961
>>318927
Hate us all they want, if they even have a method of systematically oppressing us it by definition isn't communism yet. Its also indicative of a low level of scientific advancement so clearly its primitive
No.2962
>>318914
>Why do you support communism when it will most likely lead to you being killed, imprisoned, or exiled?
Because it won't. Most people aren't communists, so it doesn't matter if most people [citation needed] don't like us.
>but liberalism is a western import
so is communism
No.2965
>>2964it's more than tingling
No.2966
>banned for idpoling in an idpol thread
So why is this thread allowed to exist? You're a bunch of idpol faggots, why do you need to be idpoling around on a non-idpol space?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS IDPOL)
No.2968
>>2966If this is idpol so is the Brazil thread or the Indian subcontinent thread
No.2969
>>2966This is /Siberia/ sir
Idpol does not include refutation of bigotry. Pro-lgbtqia+ is not idpol, only anti is. Reread the rules
No.2970
>>318942
Did your crush turn out to be a lesbian or something? Jesus christ you're resentful
No.2971
>>318942
Communism is when you hate people for violating sexual norms imposed by the patriarchal structures used as a part of implementing historical modes of production, and want them to die in a fire
No.2973
>>318942>>2966Anon I suggest you go suck a cock and release all of this pent up repressed faggotry
No.2976
>>318967
You're right anon, heterosexuality is a patriarchal construct that should be abolished. Glad we agree.
No.2977
>>2972I wanna lick her armpits
No.2978
>>2977Pitsexuality flag when
No.2979
>>318978
I'm cute, my family loves me, I don't hold irrational hatreds in my heart, and I'm happy. Can you say the same? I love all of humanity, that's why I'm a communist. I can't even tell why you are though, it's a bit confusing why you're even on this site
>"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine"
No.2980
>>2950>Is this a dogwhistle too?Well
>>2958 decided that it was basically one for rape but to be fair, I do advocate corrective rape for heterosexuals to deconvert them back to their natural homosexual state.
Which I actually don't but it's all the funnier if I did. No.2981
omnisexual vs demisexual vs pansexual
who is what and what are their powerlevels
No.2983
>>2981>demisexualaka being a normal well-adjusted person who doesn't just sleep with anyone without connecting with them at all
>omnisexualpointless label
>pansexualtechnically more correct than bisexual but feels pointless
also they are all cringe. monosexual gang rise up
No.2984
>>2983so just straight then
No.2985
>>2984Correction: superstraight. Check you privileges.
No.2986
>>2984>>2985Equating being a lesbian to being straight or implying that trans people are a third gender is a bad look anons
No.2987
Bisexual and pansexual mean the same thing, pansexual is just a more autistic way of saying it.
No.2988
>>2987pan sexual is an enhanced bisexual
LGPT soon
the bi erasure will happen, inshallah
No.2989
>>2988How is it enhanced tho
No.2990
>>2989more sexes, more sexes
No.2991
>>2981how do you know if your Demi sexual or just plain ol' autistic?
No.2992
>>2990more sexes, more sex?
>>2991Why not both?
No.2993
>>2992yes a good ol' fashioned pun
>>2991i don't even know what a demisexual is, i thought it was a sapiosexual who only loves people they know
No.2994
>>2993its when you only feel sexual attraction with someone you have an emotional bond with
I think No.2995
>>2994That's so cute, as expected of the queers
No.2996
>>2995is there an origin link for all the -sexuals invention and who invented it?
No.2997
>>2996sexuality started to be clinically studied in the late 19th century
No.3000
Eagerly awaiting Shays next book "The Right to be Cute"
No.3001
>>2999They took Felix/Ferris too though, there was massive drama over that, just as much as Bridget
No.3003
>>3002it's true,there was a long twitter battle over Felix being honorary LGBT or some shit,and when people (including the author) adressed that it was about looking like a woman because its best friend was forced to look like a man and not a statement on his gender (as he clearly states he is a man in the story),it got into some autistic shitstorm.
No.3004
If I take extra T, will it make my dick bigger?
No.3006
>>3004no, it might even feminize you because excess T is converted to estrogen
No.3008
Has anyone tried to push for abolition of marriage as a legal institution? The rights that come with marriage should be able to be broken down so they still exist but be opened up to more people including singles who live with friends or something for example.
No.3009
>>3005It's absolutely nuts how bullshit this "culture war" is. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who remembers before 2010.
No.3010
>>3008that's basically been happening the past half century or so
the more modern term is becoming "civil partnerships" and stuff like that
No.3011
>>3008Cuba's recent referendum wasn't just gay marriage. It changes how families are defined in the first place. From what I gather, you can have more than 2 adult partners in a relationship (or just being a platonic family unit).
No.3012
>>3010Not really since a civil union is just a lesser version of marriage. I'm talking no direct equivalent as a single thing just a bunch of little things filed separately. Or is a civil partnership different from a civil union? Anyway I know some time in past radfems pushed for marriage abolition but im not sure if they ever suggested an alternative system for things.
>>3011Sounds like just grandparents or godparents from how you describe that.
I just feel abolishing marriage as a legal status could be an end to idpol. Christfags can reject people from marriage all they want and it wont have any negative impact on someone's life outside of religion and LGBTetc get access to all the rights that are relavent to them and it allows pretty much any family structure and relationship type within reason.
No.3013
>>3006>taking E gives you boobs and makes your pp smaller>taking T gets converted to E and still makes your pp smallerWe just can't win, can we?
No.3014
>>3013once i stop taking the e my pp gets bigger thoughever
No.3015
>>3004I remember reading roughly a trillion years ago that if you regularly apply topical testosterone cream directly to the penis
during puberty can increase the size. Who knows how bullshit that is.
No.3016
>>3009Culture war is just 21st century reactionarism.
No.3017
You know what I fucking hate? Femboys.
There's like this massively popular, extremely odd, and just downright stupid reactionary belief within the general collective of "gay people et. al." that any sort of critique to something genuinely harmful within the group is to be shunned and ignored.
"Femboys" aren't feminine guys. If I shown you a guy with clear fruity tendencies, who had feminine interests, talked in a light and airy manner, liked to wear makeup and even publicly crossdressed, yet still had body hair and some muscle on his body, that would not be considered a "femboy" by 99% of people. But if I shown you a 15 year old boy with shaggy hair and shooped some black lipstick on him, then there would definitely be "gay" people coming out of the woodwork lusting all over him calling him a "femboy".
"Femboy" is code for "Jailbait" at best, and is active pedophilia in disguise at worst. And I won't fucking stand for it, especially because "muh unrealistic body standards" are being applied to slightly-feminine bottoms like me. Sorry I don't look like a fucking child to you, there's no need to puke on my fucking legs because I didn't shave them.
No.3018
ive been facing alot of dysphoria these past full days how can i cope better?
No.3019
>>3018Start lifting and having childrens with the hope of not becoming john, 50
No.3020
>>3017See:
>>3016Who cares what you "stand" for. Go care about something better.
No.3021
>>3020>Care for something betterFuck off. I'm not going to let my identity be used as a shield for fucking pedophiles. If you're not gay or a pedophile, you have no right to speak on the matter, because you're either A) not involved or B) not able to understand the situation on a fundamental level.
>>3018If it's MTF dysphoria, then I'd recommend doing what
>>3019 says to a degree. First is the physical, do some squats, give yourself a nice ass :3 also consider doing pushups because it'll give you quasi-breasts that are mostly muscle but they are a nice benefit even to a lot of gay guys
Second is to distract yourself with hobbies, especially shit like programming.
No.3022
>>3021>If it's MTF dysphoria…thanks I guess but im in a peculiar situation where i dont have access to HRT anymore I just lost it yesterday and im freaking out thats my main issue
No.3023
>>3021I'm gay, and I would have the "right" to care since you're being an edgy idiot that's thinking in liberal terms about politics, creating a storm out of a tea cup and waging a war with an army of one.
When you're older you'll understand.
No.3024
>>3023damn so agressive
cant we all just get along :)
No.3025
>>3022Ah now calm down. You'll be fine without HRT, even if you grow a bit of hair. Consider looking into what is considered "bro science", they may be onto something. Eat peanut butter, for example, put seed oils in your diet, eat some soy, etc. That first one, for example, probably is the cause for me (and my mother's) massive tits. My grandfather said eating a lot of peanut butter would give you big tiddies, so my mother ate a lot of peanut butter for that very reason. I just liked peanut butter, and I ate it raw off the spoon. And lo and behold, both my mother, and me - an AMAB, have massive boobs.
>>3023>edgy"Edgy" is just a new slanderous term for anyone that has a hot take that may be a bit on the inflammatory side, but is heartfelt and logically sound. Stop trying to deflect my arguments against something that's a genuine growing problem within our collective.
No.3026
>>3025do i really not need it…
i have to wait 3 years to get it again
it scares me so much i cant let T ruin my body for that long T~T
No.3027
>>3018>>3022>>3026Damn. Can't you get it from somewhere else? Have you tried looking at /HRTgen/ on 4chan?
No.3028
>>2541>ceasing of the biological subgroup cultural genocideDidn't they emerge as a separate cultural group exactly because they weren't allowed in "proper" society? Widespread acceptance in a socialist state would eventually assimilate them, as when there's no shaming, there's no longer pride rising in opposition to it
No.3029
>>3027no I cant
i can order it but i wont be able to get it
id rather not explain my situation but i cant get any sent to my home im freaking the fuck out
No.3030
>>3024Not my intent. I am basically trying to tell our friend here that he's caring about a seriously non-issue, and seemingly wanting to wage a holy culture jihad against "society" for it. This femboy shit is a fad, there's been others before it. The emo crazy of the late oughts didn't make everyone a bisexual pedophile. It's an infantile way to think of sexuality, and entirely reliant on how people act on the internet, rather than real social and sexual interactions in real life **(to put it bluntly, its entirely divorced from reality, aka "unhinged")*. IMO this type of position is reflective of consuming too much virtual reality, "hyper reality" (not necessarily digital), as well as a fundamentally liberal world view.
Of course, I don't mean to offend. I know liberal is used as an insult. I don't doubt our friend is an avowed marxist. I invite him to apply his learnings to the topic of sexuality, sexual emancipation, "masculine" and "feminine" tropes as they relate to the sexes and history, the development of gender more generally, as well as misogyny, and in this specific case the historic view of pedophilia, especially considering the difference in Anglo cultures vs other cultures, both in the present and the past.
No.3031
>>3025>a genuine growing problem within our collective.Again, thinking like a liberal. There is no gay "collective" and normalizing femboys won't change the sexual preferences of gay people.
Try again.
No.3032
>>3030i understand lol
i disagree with him as well but im just trying to keep everyone peaceful because thats just who I am haha
No.3033
>>3031what if
there is no collectives at all
No.3034
>>3026Look, HRT definitely helps. But throughout all of it, if you really can't get it, the best you can do is mitigate what issues come up and keep a positive attitude.
>>3030Do you really expect a mentally ill, love-starved bottom to have any reasonable judgement? All the things you're typing are like a word soup to me; I'm lost in this passionate anger towards you for even remotely rejecting my thoughts.
All I can hope is forgiveness, even if it likely won't be reciprocated.
No.3035
>>3034I just wanna be free T~T I should be able to buy my HRT no issues and do what i want
fucking reactionaries
why did it have to be this way
No.3036
>>3017Women shave their legs constantly, why can't you?
No.3037
>>3036I live with my mom because I am poor and I want to make a good "safety net" of savings for when I move out. Lord knows the moment I move out, I'm shaving a good amount of my body hair off because I'm not repressed to the same degree I was before. But because my mom only knows hyper-repressed me, the one who takes pride in their body hair, she'll immediately ask questions. Questions that I don't have a good excuse for, questions that will end in me getting kicked out.
No.3038
>>3033There's organizations. There's communist organizations. NGOs. Companies. These things do exist. The gay "collective" is made up and an astroturf.
>>3034I don't feel ill towards you, so I can't forgive you. Not sure why you're so worked up. Take care, friend. I think it would be helpful to reconsider some of your positions and your internalized homophobia/misogyny. I didn't understand what you implied with the bottoms stuff, but there's nothing "wrong" with being a bottom. I don't get why you brought it up.
No.3039
>>3038groups are simply individuals seeking their own goals collectives are dare I say
a spook
No.3040
>>3029You could probably get them sent to a local post office under a pseudonym and then you can go and pick them up, I think Shay used to order them to a nearby mailbox so she could get them without her parents knowing.
No.3041
>>3038Why does your fucking post make me feel even worse
holy shit
No.3042
>>3038>>3017Ok so re-reading your comment maybe you implied you're love starved and a bottom?
There's a lot of diversity in the gay world. You are evidently young and inexperienced. There are many bottoms of all types and many types of tops too. Many don't even like penetrante sex. It's a whole world out there. You're the one putting these unfair standards upon yourself, presumably because you think this is how people will like you or you had one tiny uncomfortable experience with someone who commented on your body hair.
Maybe you hang out with himbo twinks that all look exactly the same. Just like the bottom gym bro clique that look like clones. These are "scene" people. They are the most visible, but not the majority of gays. Most gays are just normal people who are gay.
Of course it changes depending on where you live and who you hang out with or where you go out to, but believe me, there's all types of gays out there. And everyone is someone else's type. Be patient and get to know more people.
As you grow older and put effort into socializing, you'll realize that your thoughts about "the gays" were not accurate at all.
>>3041I have no idea why. How do they make you feel? Worse in what way?
No.3043
>>2802depending on what "animation meme-tier" music it is it might be acceptable, kismet by xix is a banger.
No.3044
>>3029Can you order it to a friend's home? Can you rent a PO box? Can you order them to an abandoned house?
No.3045
>>3037you have a very good reason not to shave anon, the only reason I have been considering shaving is because I sometimes like wearing thigh highs when fucking, besides that I'm way too much of a lazy fuck to spend any more time in the bathroom that it takes to wash my body and shave facial hair lmao.
No.3046
>>3044i might be able to get it to a friends house but i need to find who
if that doesnt work out what can i do to reduce my T levels
No.3047
>>3017Stop making up shit. Do you even know any femboys? You can be an old femboy I know one, good friend
No.3048
>>3025>Ah now calm down. You'll be fine without HRT, even if you grow a bit of hair. Consider looking into what is considered "bro science", they may be onto something. Eat peanut butter, for example, put seed oils in your diet, eat some soy, etc. That first one, for example, probably is the cause for me (and my mother's) massive tits. My grandfather said eating a lot of peanut butter would give you big tiddies, so my mother ate a lot of peanut butter for that very reason. I just liked peanut butter, and I ate it raw off the spoon. And lo and behold, both my mother, and me - an AMAB, have massive boobs.Anon if you don't know what you're talking about, why the fuck did you write this post? This is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Coming off HRT sucks and
>>3022 should DIY
No.3049
>>3022Try to get on low dose naloxone for depersonalization. In theory it could reduce dysphoria.
No.3050
>>3049>Try to get on low dose naloxone for depersonalization. In theory it could reduce dysphoria.What the fuck kind of retard advice is this. Do NOT do that.
No.3051
>>3046Sorry mate. I don't know. As little as I know, it's not something you should wing, you should research the most standard procedure. My trans friend just puts a jelly on her legs, or gets a shot that lasts a few weeks or days idk. But she removed her testes… so idk. Maybe rogaine or something like that?
No.3052
>>3046Anonette this is the wrong board for you, as a transhumanist myself I can tell you 90% of the posts on this topic in this thread are garbage. Please go to 4chan /lgbt/ /hrtgen/ at least
No.3053
>>3052>Go to 4chan /lbgt/That's a horrible idea. There should be an HRT thread on either /siberia/ or /edu/ here.
No.3054
>>3052>>3053/tttt/ is a mental illness intensifier. no one should ever go on there.
No.3055
>>3054Nobody on tttt will advise dissociative based conversion therapy to trans people who are lacking hrt
No.3056
>>3055you pay for an ounce of HRT advice that can be solicited from elsewhere with a pound of brainworms
No.3057
since that I am in a very conserative country, I don't really know how to deal with this thing, I feel so opressed in this notion, I am still in the closet, I sometimes feel just so ashamed and that I feel very near from exposing myself and my true intentions and who I really do love. I am a pansexual, I haave a very hard time to confess anything, to have a normal relationship like any normal human being.
at the same moment I just can't support the idpol nature of the LGBTQ+ movement, it feels so liberal, I can't just stand it, and I can't agree with some of it's thesis, it feels so stupid and so liberal thing to particpate in, but the more I feel that I have no option to gain at least the smallest part from my own freedom, I lean to fight for this very small personal freedom by taking their side, not to make it superior to the class cause for sure, because this is the core of my problem with the LGBTQ+ movement.
but god I just want to have a normal love, I want to throw myself in the lap of my beloved, and I want him to soothe me by his gentle kisses!
I feel that my brain is going to explode from this contradiction I feel in myself, and I feel with shame.
No.3058
>>3057You can be a communist that just happens to be in a gay relationship, in like 95% of cases they either won't care or will actively support you. If the country is very conservative as you say you're on the hit list for being communist anyway, in that sense you have not much to lose.
No.3059
>>3042honestly, i dont care if i'm banned for this, I think I'll just kill myself instead. Easier solution
No.3061
>>3060What the fuck do I have to look forward to here? Be honest.
No.3062
>>3061You could live long enough to see Henry Kissinger die someday
No.3063
>>3061That's for you to decide, it's ultimately your life and I'm just an anonymous stranger on the internet, yet I still think the world is a better place with you in it than without. Even if the possibility of allievation of your problems is very slim it's still more than none if you're alive.
No.3064
>>3062you know what, I was going to say something along the lines of "I don't give a fuck about Henry Pissinger or whoever", but after a look on wikipedia, alright.
>>3063Could you at least not like, lie to me about
>the world is a better place with you in it than without No.3065
>>3064I'm not lying though
No.3066
>>3065pal I'm an unmedicated schizophrenic running around as a ticking time bomb whose gonna get shot before anything
No.3067
>>3066Too bad, I still choose to have faith in you, even if you have none for yourself. I can't relate to what you're going through directly but I've felt worthless and at my wits end and suicidal before, the urge does pass if you give it time.
No.3068
>>3050>What the fuck kind of retard advice is this. Do NOT do that.Why? Seems you dont know what Im talking about. I'm saying literally just get a precription from a doctor not get off the black market. Naloxone is not only used for opioid overdose and addiction but for depersonalization-derealization disorder and for depression but obviously not the dose used to bring someone back from brink of death from ODing. Many people with gender dysphoria also have depersonalization symptoms. This drug would work by acting on the NMDA receptors. There are other meds that may also have a similar effect but from my research I believe naloxone may be a good option. Alternatively a supplemental approach could be used by using sarcosine.
No.3069
>>3066Same opinion as the other guy. Why do you think you have schizophrenia?
No.3070
>>3068Dumbest idea I've ever heard you're better off buying eastern european estrogen tablets
No.3071
Just smoke weed your weirdos.
No.3072
>>3071Weed doesn't grow booba and butt or make your brain have the right hormones or make you feel girly
T. Pothead tran
No.3073
>>3072Sure, well good on you fellow pothead. Just saying as opposed to regular psychiatric drugs.
>>3049>Try to get on low dose naloxone for depersonalization. In theory it could reduce dysphoria. No.3074
>>3072>right hormonesPlease dont tell me you unironically think there is such a thing as a male brain and female brain. Tell me you actually meant desired hormones.
No.3076
>>3075What? Not really. I meant it's essentialist to claim there is a male or female brain and it's an easily debatable stance from the scientific evidence against this take. I used to believe it till i started reading more.
No.3077
>>3075And is there anything I need to explexplain? I get the feeling you're just projecting onto me things I'm not even implying. I don't like being misunderstood nor people getting upset where I don't mean to.
No.3078
>>3076Different anon but there is a connection between hormonal exposure to the brain as an organ, and it's physical development in response, and internal conceptions of gender identity. Also for example exposure to tesosterone in AFAB trans men will increase the thickness of this area between the two hemispheres of the brain, and it will cause predictable increases in tendencies of personality traits and cognitive function such as more competitive and aggressive behaviours and even their eye sight will become more focused and peripheral vision will decrease.
No.3079
>>3057This is your brain on Abrahamic worms
No.3080
>>3074I'm miserable and want to kill myself on T. Happy and content on E. Call it personal preference if you like but I'm a materialist.
No.3081
>>3078I'm not saying hormones do not have an effect on the brain as does skull size as well but saying the experiences and thoughts of people also effect it. Even hetero cis people can have a mixture of brain traits in some regions that fall closer to the opposite sex's average. From what I've seen I don't think the cause of gender dysphoria is having "the wrong brain in the wrong body" in the literal sense like some people take it but for some has to do with how the brain percives the body in it's self mapping. There is other causes for others. Though unfortunately I have trouble confirming this because I never find anyone who can describe a physical sensation of gender dysphoria well.
No.3082
>>3080Ah so you didnt mean it in a literal sense. I know it can be tough to feel depressed and suicidal. I've been for most my life.
No.3083
>>3081Good luck finding good descriptions of just about any experiential phenomenon. Language is invented by us after all, not preceding our existence and capable of explaining it.
No.3084
>>3083I think you're going above her head with this comment sister lol
No.3085
>>3082I did mean it in the literal sense. Clearly T is not right for my brain, E is. It's physical, where else is it? A platonic form in my brain?
No.3086
>>3057Anti idpol is a meme concept used to silence people who have additional unique difficulties that require additional explanation and research beyond standard class dynamics. Its clearly class based in nature but there are more complexities involved, rendering class reductionism in the typical sense actually counterproductive to understanding the class relations in full detail. Notice even on leftypol, a supposedly communist board ostensibly wanting human liberation, you get dipshits calling us bourgeois decadent. I think you're over thinking the whole thing. Yeah, liberals suck.
No.3087
>>3086I think the definition of idpol has changed out of mostly unanimous understanding of this. Now the attempts at silencing are idpol while discussion of those complexities and the existance of people who such complexities apply to isn't idpol.
No.3088
>>3087Yeah, this is what a mod said somewhere which I'm taking as the truth elsewhere from now on
No.3089
>>3066Rather than killing yourself become a based homeless schitzo, go off to join a Maoist Protracted People's War or become a train hopper for youtube or something, like if you're going to kill yourself you don't have anything to lose anyway so try something cool. Or maybe become a super hero, like dress up and go into the street and beat up criminals and cops.
No.3090
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/1230681.htmlsurprised to see people on leftypol shitting on op here
No.3091
>>3090We don't like Pierro Scaruffi
No.3092
>>3090:(
I'm not surprised its why I made this thread since leftypol is way more homophobic and transphobic than any communist social media I've ever been on
No.3093
>>3067Eh, now that I'm feeling "better" I just feel numb. The strangest part is my libido, it's like this weird absent feeling. Being a degenerate piece of shit (See:
>>2802 for elaboration) I'm in several pornographic servers. Pretty much every piece of pornographic content just makes me feel this dull stomach ache; nothing more, nothing less. It's a horrid feeling, it's almost as if my body has cut off an - albeit necrotic - part of my very spirit.
>>3069Schizophrenia is a ""shorthand"" for what I believe to be Schizoaffective Disorder, or BPD with Psychotic Features. The general overarching summary that I can give for my mental ailment is that I'm very paranoid - prone to delusions of persecution or just mere delusions that if correct impose something dreadfully negative altogether, and I have a very unstable mood where my emotions are passionately felt and difficult to control. It's a very problem-causing issue. And no, I'm not getting a fucking therapist.
>>3089I've always thought about going to San Francisco.
No.3094
>>3093Of course porn makes you feel empty and shitty, it's an alienated and commodified version of sex. Having sex with a real person, even a shallow hookup has more potential to make you feel whole as a person than pornography can (my monogamous long term relationship started with a hookup, so I'm biased). You're probably not permanently dysfunctional, granted schizoaffective and BPD will make relationships difficult but still.
No.3095
>>3094Yeah but it doesn't even arouse me
Also - while I'm on this subject - how do i find bf
t. lives in fucking alberta, leafland
No.3096
>>3095If you're depressed (feeling empty is a major sign), you're not going to get aroused, when I go through depressive periods I get the same way
No.3097
>>3091>>3092eh for every homphobe there was like 5 shitposters and 5 fags tellign him to shut up.
No.3098
>>3047Okay I know like hundreds of underageb& femboys, one IRL, and then like three femboys over the age of 20.
No.3099
>>3083To a degree, yes, but I'm not talking a perfect approximation just something to compare with other mental processes involving bodily perceptions. Like I can know where any part of my body is in space relatively without looking and so do you likely but some people have a condition where they can't perceive their body position by feel and thus if they close their eyes or get in the dark they lose their balance or trip over themselves. There is phantom limb syndrome where a person feels a body part no longer there and are able to describe feeling something not there sometimes in form of pain. Then there is the rubber hand phenomenon where a person can react to a rubber hand as if it is their hand merely from a little sensory trickery and some VR users start perceiving their avatar as if it's their body temporarily. Then there is body iintegrity disorder where someone perceives part of their body as not being part of them. I think gender dysphoria outside of just gender identity relates to these sort of things. Gender identity on other hand is more a sociological thing.
>>3085>I did mean it in the literal sense. Clearly T is not right for my brain, E is. Not trying to sound argumentative or mean or anything but cant that be described also as not right for your mind? There is no boy brain and girl brain just an adaptable brain. Both males and females have both T and E. Both T and E modulate SERT transport as well and not in opposing ways. The brain does have sex hormone receptors so I'm not saying the brain cant rrespond to different hormones different but that both sexes have these same receptors. That's what I was originally getting at. There isn't really a need for a girl or boy brain to explain gender dysphoria.
>>3086Sort of but not really. It's not that being against idpol is being against minority groups it's that some people try to disguise their reactionary idpol calling it anti idpol. /leftypol/ is full of ex /pol/yps and they drag their shitty imageboard culture on every site they infect.
>>3093Not sure why just paranoia and persecutory delusions make you think you have schizophrenia. Just borderline personality disorder is enough to cause someone to be paranoid and think they are always persecuted. Unless you also hallucinate and have blunted affect and beliefs most people find very strange or something it doesnt sound strongly pointing toward psychotic symptoms. The standard treatment for borderline personality disorder is dialectic behavioural therapy. I would suggest mindfulness meditation however if you did happen to have a psychotic disorder I have seen studies suggesting meditation may in some cases be harmful. Why are you avoidant of therapy?
No.3100
>tfw no lgbt leftypol fbi.gov friends
No.3101
>>3100A little less than half the site is "queer", or LGBTQ+. Probably the same proprtion in the matrix.
No.3102
>>3099T and E affect the whole entire body, quite literally every single cell. Not just the brain
Gender dysphoria has many manifestations. You can simplistically understand it as BDD (body dysmorphic disorder) but gender specific, hating your body for being wrong
No.3103
>>325501
Are you mentally retarded? Nazis put us in camps. Your entire post is incoherent. Calling me a chinlet (pol) for defending pro-lgbt against idpol claims and presumably for being lgbt myself? You're absolutely delusional.
No.3104
>>3102Yeah, I never suggested otherwise.
I know it can be compairable to that too among the other conditions I listed before. I have a decent grasp of some aspects of what it's like since I have body dysmorphia and depersonalization along with unclear feelings about how feminine or masculine id want to look.
No.3106
>>3105People just assume you can't date out of your own demographic without having some sort of fetish or self hatred, ignore them
No.3107
>>3105She browses 4chan /lgbt/ a bit too much and is self hating. Talk to her about it or dump her if it annoys you
No.3108
>>3107You shouldn't dump somebody just because their friends are annoying
No.3110
>>3109Same place where the Ziggers come from, Haz’a fbi.gov server
No.3112
>>3109Wherever they came from they are fascist adjacent because they want to define certain types of human bodies (we are materialists here) as "incompatible with" whatever vision they think they have of society, which is inherently fascist and has no relation to Marxism.
No.3113
>>3112i disagree with them ofc
but not all of us are marxists
or materialists
No.3114
>>3105It's just self loathing. I know another trans girl who says the exact same things all the time about herself.
No.3115
>>3114yeah thats why most trans girls end up being t4t
No.3116
>>3115>t4tSorry, I don't know what that means.
No.3117
>>3116it means trans for trans its when trans people date eachother in this context i mostly mean trans girls dating eachother
No.3118
>>325722
gender isnt constructed its a natural state of affairs that has to do with psychology and neuroscience and is backed by both fields
also you broke several rules you reactionary poltard
No.3119
>>325730
male and females have different brains
the brain develops after the gonads
this can develop in such a way that you can be born with male gonads and a female brain
we are not our body but instead our minds
i am wholly female and my brain is wired as such this is scientific facts
No.3120
>>3118>naturelol who cares about that shit we invented cities
No.3121
>>3109Must be just you. What shit threads do you browse?
let me guess: ukrane and shit idpol bait on /siberia/ No.3122
>>325737
im not a marxist im a utopian socialist
No.3123
>>3109It's an inherent reaction (?) to Rainbow-Fascism (In essence, "middle class" - petty bourgeoisie promotion of idpol to distract from class consciousness)
It's irrational, sure, but not inhumane. It's reason is concern that the main objective of a Dictatorship of the Proletarian is being sidelined by relatively ineffectual issues that even if "solved" would mean nothing. It's something that just needs to be corrected through simple humanization of *the gays* or whatever, and a level of ignorance towards idpol that finds the comfortable plateau between "concern towards the subject" and "ignorance towards the subject".
No.3125
>>3124well i share praxis with many groups i just know it will lead the other way than what they think
the truth is people are already doing the praxis for me they just are doing it for different endgoals that arent possible or are unstable
plus like any market or individualist anarchist is basically the same as me so idc
No.3126
ATTENTION EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD
I don't want to hornypost, but I desperately need foot fetish BF who will gladly rub my feet when I come home from work. I just realized how fucking much I'd love that.
No.3127
>>3126hornyposter spotted
No.3128
>>325725
Cuba proved you wrong, there are thousands of transgender Cubans, many of them in CDRs, the constitution and the new family code affirm their status as the gender they've transitioned to.
No.3129
>>3128i wouldnt praise cuba or use it as a good example
but uhm yeah i guess
No.3130
>>3129Why wouldn't you praise Cuba or its family code? It's easily the most progressive legislation of its kind in the hemisphere, and it can't be recanted by unelected judges because it passed via referendum
No.3131
>>3130cuba isnt a good or nice place
that doesnt have a good government
the whole progressive shit is just a mask for the massively authoritarian bullshit they keep doing
they just arrested 381 people for being in a anti gov protest
But nah its okay man bc they are chill with the gays
No.3132
>>3131Cuba is easily the least worst place in the Caribbean to live, it surpasses the US in several quality of life statistics. You're also complaining about "authoritarianism" in a state that's been under direct siege by the biggest superpower since 1961. It's also not even that authoritarian compared to its neighbors, look at police conduct in Cuba during its protests compared to a place like Colombia during their biggest protests.
No.3134
>>3132thats bullshit
the best places are typically British territories
also yes it authoritarian you can fight against imperialism without statist bullshit
and im not gonna praise a "lesser of the two evils" situation i am against all of them
No.3135
>>3133being harsh with anyone is bad also no in no way are they even remotely democratic Cuba is a one-party state and it sure is hell has total control
No.3136
>>3135>being harsh with anyone is badno, being harsh with liberals, fascists, and all other flavour of rightoids is good. im going to put reactionaries in the fucking dungeon and you cant stop me, dont be a radlib anarchist, being soft to rightoids will only backfire.
cuba is very democratic relative to every other state that exists, it is a state ofc but if you think it is not the most democratic state then you have much more to learn about western liberal democracies and cuba, learn how cuba works in embedrel.
>inb4 deraili sorry in advance.
No.3137
Jesus Christ what have I done to this thread
No.3138
>>3119Sorry you're going by very outdated understanding of the brain and are just not accepting a brain is a brain because you're having trouble understanding it in other terminologies it seems perhaps and falsely interpreting this as an attack on your identity or something. That was never was i was getting at.
No.3139
>>325730
Shut the fuck up retard. Estrogen is a material, I want more of that material in my body because I want tits and ass dumb fuck, and guess what, I biologically got them
Want to see?
Too bad.
No.3140
>>3138This talk about brains is misleading and unimportant. The fact is that some trans people are mentally miserable until they can get the right hormone. The same as anyone with a hormonal imbalance condition. And once they get the right hormone (T or E) they are relieved and mental health issues often go away entirely. Brain, gut, cells, self bodily perception, whatever it is, it's material.
No.3141
Where do all these completely uninformed shitstains come from and spew their Facebook grandpa tier anti-LGBT takes?
No.3143
>>3098I don't know anyone under 20 and I don't care to.
If you are under 20, please kindly get out.
No.3145
It is not the women who toil in the sweatshops of ‘developing’ countries that the transgender activists wish to ‘transition’ to; rather it is the objectified successful bourgeois women that they aim to be. The reality for working class women of negotiating the institutional and personal power struggles in which their lives are embedded is not part of the appeal for men who claim to be women. On the contrary, as in all other areas of life, working class women are treated as unimportant or ignored as the example of the prison makes clear.
There has been a glaring refusal on the part of the left to come to terms with the question of transgenderism and its impact on women – and by women I mean people who belong to the sex-class that has ovaries and is able to give birth. The levels of groupthink necessary to keep this ship afloat, the self-censorship, the intimidation, the blatant dishonesty, the denial of debate with howls of ‘transphobia’ point to a left in deep crisis. The middle class-dominated left has abandoned its obligation to critically engage, to clarify and to lead on the political issues of the day. Instead it has simply accepted the terms of the debate put forward by the trans militants (including their really basic conflation of sex and gender).
This failure is rooted in the left’s acceptance of identity politics with its assumption that how a group (or the primary definers within a group) articulates its oppression is the last word on the matter. Yet it is clear that one group’s identity and its claims may easily clash with the claims and identity of another group. Identity politics has no way of negotiating these conflicting claims. In the end the group that can mobilise the most power is the group that will have its claims prevail. In its catastrophic alignment with what is clearly a men’s rights movement, the left has chosen to side with the powerful over the less powerful, men over women, and the middle class over working class women – and it is they in particular who will bear the brunt of trans rights as currently formulated.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
No.3147
>>3146phobic? I could beat up so many children
No.3148
>>3145Keep misrepresenting transgender people as merely an issue of identity. Trans people are a type of body. I have a trans body. I have long hair, a feminine looking face that people confuse as female even when I'm wearing boy clothes. I have boobs and a dick at the same time. "Transgenderism", with "ism" appended as if it's an ideology, is pure misinformation and slander. If only you could know what you're talking about before writing this nonsense.
No.3149
>>3140Different individuals have different ideas of what is right for them. The problem with this approach is it only has potential to help a certain subset of people experience gender dysphoria while giving others no other choice than no treatment.
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