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In recent years China has made significant strides in developing its own semiconductor industry with things like Huawei's HiSilicon, Loongson, StarFive, MilkV, etc. I would call that China outlasted the US sanctions barrage from the US. Chinese investment in fabrication technologies, while not anyway near cutting edge is getting to be near good enough. With things like Intel looking shaky and the rise of Risc-V and ARM we are steadily moving forwards towards the hopeful future of open standards, hardware and software, where most consumer computation devices will have built in Chinese backdoors instead of American ones.

>Chinese schools testing 10,000 locally made RISC-V-ish PCs
https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/05/china_schools_riscv_pc/

>Beijing issues list of approved CPUs – with no Intel or AMD
>2024 may be the year of Linux On The Arm-or-RISC-desktop as China moves away from Western tech
https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/25/china_approved_tech_list/

>China Is All In on a RISC-V Future
https://www.hpcwire.com/2024/01/08/china-is-all-in-on-a-risc-v-future/

>'The Linux of processors' — New breed of Chinese super CPUs emerge on US soil as universities back open source high performance RISC-V processors to be the next big thing in HPC
https://www.techradar.com/pro/the-linux-of-processors-new-breed-of-chinese-super-cpus-emerge-on-us-soil-as-chinese-universities-back-open-source-high-performance-risc-v-processors-to-be-the-next-big-thing-in-hpc

Remaking the thread because of the server wipe.

Previous: https://leftypol.org/tech/res/10230.html

The lack of Intel ME style backdoors in the RISC-V CPUs we've seen so far is encouraging. RISC-V laptops still seem some ways away. As soon as some decent ones appear I'll probably ditch my old ThinkPad. The only "missing piece" is a libre WiFi card

I was under the impression China made great advances in ARM microchip manufacturing, but if they choose to pivot to RISC V, the future looks bleak indeed. There is no lasting place for a braindead C-machine of an ISA outside the embedded space. It needs extensions even for relatively basic operations and takes three instructions just to calculate the overflow of an addition (which may also branch and allow for side channel attacks on cryptography btw).

>>26473
with ARM you become a license cuck. also according to one answer here you can get carry out but it wrecks your pipeline: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70999565/why-does-risc-v-not-have-an-instruction-to-calculate-carry-out

a risc isa needs an extension? the east has fallen, billions must be paid to license grifters
classic dunning-kruger tor post

>>26473
>China made great advances in ARM microchip manufacturing, but if they choose to pivot to RISC V
They are doing ARM, but I guess when it comes to PCs they are building their own custom software stack on top it anyway and they can leverage it on the internal market. With ARM while it has better linux and now some shitty windows support you still would be bound to ARM licenses. So custom RISCV is the safe bet? If I recall Harmony has nascent RiscV support so it's future is not just linux based.

Didn't they had some beef with Arm that ended up with Arm's Chinese branch going rogue?

>>26486
>If I recall Harmony has nascent RiscV support so it's future is not just linux based.
The MIPS family serves as the blueprint for the future of RISC V, previously being the most conceptually clean RISC architecture in the industry. As opposed to PowerPC, SPARC and Alpha having had niches in the pc and server markets, MIPS only saw ever saw use in SGI servers and workstations. MIPS processors where always mainly used in the embedded space and are still predominant in some niches (routers for example) because of cheap licensing and legacy.

Made in China 2025, next level of Chinese copium. Just give it up dawg

>Chinese Zhaoxin KX-7000 CPU can't beat old Intel and AMD chips — Core i3-8100 and Ryzen 5 5600G come out on top
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/chinese-zhaoxin-kx-7000-cpu-cant-beat-old-intel-and-amd-chips-core-i3-8100-and-ryzen-5-5600g-come-out-on-top
Doomers say that China's latest is seven years behind AMD and Intel. I say that China's latest is only seven years behind AMD and Intel and can pretty much do everything performance wise that it needs to.

>The Cybersecurity Association of China (CSAC), in a lengthy post on its WeChat account on Wednesday described Intel's chips as being riddled with vulnerabilities, adding that the American company's "major defects in product quality and security management show its extremely irresponsible attitude towards customers."

>The CSAC also accused Intel of embedding a backdoor "in almost all" of its CPUs since 2008 as part of a "next-generation security defense system" developed by the US National Security Agency.

>This allowed Uncle Sam to "build an ideal monitoring environment where only the NSA is protected and everyone else is 'naked,'" the post continued. "This poses a huge security threat to the critical information infrastructure of countries around the world, including China," the industry group claims.
https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/16/china_intel_chip_security/o.2

>DeepSeek's AI model reportedly runs inference workloads on Huawei's newest Ascend 910C chips, showing how China's AI industry has evolved over the past few months.
https://wccftech.com/deepseek-r1-is-reportedly-running-inference-on-huawei-ascend-910c-ai-chip/

it's too bad that trump is too much of a chicken to actually slap a tariff on taiwan but god imagine the possibilities

>>26471
>China
>open standards
These two do not combine.

>>28395
deepseek is free and open source
https://github.com/deepseek-ai

>China plans to issue guidance to encourage the use of open-source RISC-V chips nationwide for the first time, two sources briefed on the matter said, as Beijing accelerates efforts to curb the country's dependence on Western-owned technology.
>The policy guidance on boosting the use of RISC-V chips could be released as soon as this month, although the final date could change, the sources said.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-publish-policy-boost-risc-v-chip-use-nationwide-sources-2025-03-04/

China committing on Risc-V on home grown chips. Could be big, or not.

>RISC-V
Is there anything to point at this not being wasted effort barking up the wrong tree like MIPS before it? The parallels are pretty obvious, both are teaching ISAs getting horribly mutated out in the wild. The advantage is that every computer engineering graduate has implemented RV32I in their coursework not that the architecture itself is well designed. I've yet to see a superscalar RV processor you can put your hands on as a regular person or the HPC accelerators people have been teasing for 5 years.

>>28665
>I've yet to see a superscalar RV processor you can put your hands on as a regular person
I'll eat my hat on this. Seems like the spacemit K1 and M1 as well as the newer sci-five SoCs are OOO.


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