>to contact aliens we need to spend like 10 billion and billions more, that's too much to handle at the moment!!!
No its not, stop killing proles in wars, every war has been way more costly, billions are worth nothing.
We need to meet other sapient life, humans are too retarded and divided in contradictory nonsense, a second opinion or a solution from a second sapient life-form with an advanced civilization would always be more truthful since they would have had to reach unity and truth to develop so much as to get to us. Odds that they would be in par and stuck in the same situation as us would be of an extremely low probability - much less than that of other sapient lifeforms being inferior and not as developed.
We need their help. We're clinging onto AI because of our desire for a second sapient friend, its not bad but we want to make AI developed into being submissive and instrumental rather than cooperative and autonomous. We need another sapient species to rid us of the defective parts of our species, we need to be nurtured by a superior or helped. The scum of our species are stunting the growth and lives of the best of us, the best have to suffer the same fate as everyone else who rejects or usurps life extension by being forced to die and decompose. Our lives are too short and scum prevent sapience from proliferation by imposing limits by preventing people from living a fulfilled life striving towards longevity for the supposed "safety and benefit of all" or cultural rather than rational imposed decisions.
Despite low probability, people have always looked to space hoping we are not alone.
Every space exploration agency created so far has been put in popular hope of achieving this task, besides the point of getting into orbit and the moon to be used for testing the range capacity of nuclear weapons.
Alien civilizations, if they exist, will see our struggles with fresh clarity and may collaborate to rid us our of problems even if that may lead to more complex problems we would still be steps ahead.
Through that lens, our conflicts at the present historical moment would be small and avoidable.
However, there is no guarantee that aliens would be "kind", an advanced species should prioritize utility over all, our own "kindness" has shown to be manipulative and barbaric but we still cling to the idealistic notion of it.
The universe does not promise cultural superiority over technological advancement it should be obvious which one is less of a priority to any rational person, in fact cultures mostly cause stagnation.
Our hope for guidance right now is directed towards our own species which fails in administrative tasks as even seen with popular acknowledgement of incompetent rule and yet this vile populism cannot form a proper mob reaction to free itself of the mismanagement and suicidal drive.
To meet another sapient species would allow us to be managed by a civilization which has not only not gone extinct but attained means of travel that would require a civilization higher on the karadashev scale by default.
Humanity might finally see itself as one among many, not the center, thus all anthropocentric unfounded beliefs will be challenged, they already feel threatened as many believers already are referring to aliens as "demons" without ever having truly encountered them.
Encounters prior if there have been any would finally be put to a proper trial, if by the effort of dedicating more of our resources for contact we end up prodding sapient aliens that may or may not (as is more likely) be already here properly unrevealed.
We should try even if such efforts would be fruitless or not immediate.
All real progress depends on overcoming the unknown through trial and error and thorough study.
Reaching this goal in peculiar would not require anything more than resource allocation so it is absolutely plausible.
Only those who are afraid or unwilling to be proven wrong would object, not the skeptics, the scumbags that want to keep all in isolation.
New perspectives that are able to keep us in a proper track are random and unreliable when coming from our own species, only a different sapient thing could bring a truly new perspective.
Denial of development and species traitors are ironically embraced and not liquidated as the threats they are to ourselves right now, if aliens choose to interact for our benefit they will surely make it impossible for such strains of human thought to exist.
Respect for sapient life reflects respect for our own species, all who oppose the existence of all other sapient life or attempts at it can only be species traitors.
Ultimately, the search for aliens is search for real material salvation.
Growth is the real "second opinion" we are pursuing as to create sapient life besides our own.
Seeking inhabitable planets has always started with speculations on if potentially habitable planets have any life of their own already - for non-sapient organic matter it should be pretty fucking obvious they do, as long as there is greenery and as long as there is water and other conditions at the very least we should be acknowledging microscopic life exists and more complex life-forms exist, we just still are yet to find second sapience.
Why do uyghas assume all aliens are peaceful n shiit, and not like in fucking Warhammer 40k
you probably want radio in the µHz band or lower to get anywhere in the universe
pros:
>signal-to-noise ratio, and therefore range, increases with wavelength²
cons:
>signalling is very slow
>building a practical antenna for frequencies below 1 Hz is difficult
>>1117If they're not peaceful we deserve whatever comes, being slaves to an advanced civilization would be progressive and I see no reason why they wouldn't want to use us and our resources in some way or another so I see no reason for an advanced civilization to just kill us for nothing, but if they do, at least that would be a worthy death rather than self-destruction by our own species, this is a gamble that should be taken, besides if they could kill us they should've done so already, why didn't they pick up on all the signals we've been sending if they're so advanced?
I believe we might just be able to get a ping back from another planet, not a fleet or something bigger to come to us but just a response back from another planet.
Besides an advanced civilization HAS TO be utilitarian and make use of any resources it encounters. And sapience must have some use to them, the fact that the planet is habitable must also be of at least some worth to them.
>>1117Fear of aliens is hollywood xenophobic religious reactionary propaganda, the west wants to demonize aliens before they've even shown up, people are already claiming that aliens are demons.
Dark forest theory is bullshit projecting Social-Darwinian misanthropy to cosmology, as if all sapient and beyond sapient aliens have just agreed to see all other sapient life as a threat, that makes no sense. Besides if they are capable of destroying us then we obviously aren't a threat, if they can travel to us then obviously they are more advanced than us since we cannot travel to them and we believe we need faster than light travel to get to the nearest Earth-like planets or potential life bearing planets.
Dark forest theory is a retard's way of filling in the void, its primitive nonsense that comes from the primitive instinct of "if a place is silent then there's a predator nearby". It is literally a thesis founded on the fear of the unknown and is anti-intellectual since it discourages people from reaching out to see the unknown.
>>1125Maybe they are carnivores tho
>>1128We are omnivores and we have cannibals too, but we're not eating each-other on a massive scale because we understand that sapience life is more important than that of other animals.
>>1129An advanced alien civilization cannot possibly be as retarded as to spend its resources going across the galaxy looking for exotic other sapient meat to suit their tastes. An advanced civilization that can travel to us would likely not even be limited by hunger and as organic beings would have had to overcome their limitations. So the biggest thesis right now is that if aliens were to exist that they would not be organic like us.
Aliens being carnivores looking out to eat us is a ludicrous non-thesis driven by fear out of cultural programming in fear-mongering against aliens for xenophobia.
Nobody on here seems capable of conceptualize what an advanced civilization is. Space travel and energy abundance are not enough for a civilization to be considered advanced, first you morons have to understand that transhumanism is the only way forward by overcoming death and the biological processes that handicap us and then that a society with immortality cannot be sustainable or accommodate everyone if people keep reproducing without planning. Development towards immortality - people being able to decide how long they want to live is a necessary step to the advancement of the species. Fuck all of you subhuman religious scum who deny this, you must be exterminated first before we can move forward.
>>1131actual transhumanism or word-ban transhumanism?
>>1129getting prions from eating human meat probably is a better reason to not eat eachother
>>1139That's just brain matter. Eating thigh or breast meat is perfectly safe.
>>1135Actual transhumanism of course.