/ufo/ - Paranormal and Conspiracies

Yes I do and its outright funny.

>>1638
Nihilistic response. I'm completely opposed to the peddling of this nihilism. My response is 1 of complete, unfettered rage.

You have no concept of just how much it pisses me off every day when I really think about just how extensive the mindcontrol methods they're using on us always are. These fucking bastards. Completely pure fucking evil.

>>1639
Not nihilistic when you know the trvth
>>>/ufo/1564

>>1639
>These fucking bastards. Completely pure fucking evil.
Yes, they are evil but they tend to fight each other so you can use that to your advantage. Just don't let it demoralize you.

>>1637
>Do you realize that "Barrack Obama" does not exist? And he was a character played by a CIA actor named Barry Soetoro? And this same actor also played the character of "Osama Bin Laden"? And it's completely crazy, because Obama has no birth certificate, his own purported brother does not believe his story, and just looking at pictures of these 2 figures, you can clearly notice they're 1 person.

i believe 9/11 was an inside job but I think this one is a little too far. doesn't make sense

>>1637
As crazy as it sounds a lot of what this anon is saying is more or less true, lol. I don’t know about the Obama birth certificate thing as I remember that being a racist republican dog whistle, but it is a fact that the democrats (both centrist and leftist factions) are a controlled opposition to the Republicans. This includes everyone from the corporate neoliberal “third way”/“new democrats” like Clinton/Obama/Biden to the DSA “democratic socialists” like Bernie/AOC/Mamdani, with Mamdani suspiciously becoming Trumps best friend despite republicans calling him a “islamic Marxist terrorist”, lol. The 2025 NYC mayor election was thrown by the democrat establishment to Mamdani just like the 2016 and 2024 presidential elections were explicitly thrown by the democrat establishment to Trump, Trump threw the 2020 presidential election to Biden, and Bernie threw both the 2016 and 2020 primaries to Hillary/Biden, etc. lmao. All American “elections” are completely stage-managed kabuki theatre put on by the haute-bourgeoise with the explicit goal of distracting, dividing, and corralling the Proles between the dominant fascist republicans and the controlled opposition left-liberal democrats (including both third way and DSA that are really two sides of the same bourgeois liberal coin).

All real Marxists know that all inter-bourgeois/capitalist/imperialist conflicts are kabuki theatre, with this applying to all international “conflicts”/“wars” between capitalist states such as the “wars” in Ukraine, Iran, and Israel-Palestine, which are all inter-bourgeois/capitalist/imperialist kabuki theatre, that is completely stage-managed by the international haute-bourgeoisie, lol. Both Zelensky and Putin are controlled by the international haute-bourgeoise and are secretly working together to keep their kabuki war going on permanently in order to control and corral their proles and benefit the international haute-bourgeoise. The Iranian theocracy was put in power by the US and Israel in order to stop a Iranian communist revolution during the Cold War and Iran coordinated the assassination of the elderly ayatollah with the US and Israel, with the ayatollah himself agreeing to be “martyred” because he was dying of cancer anyway and to help fulfill the agenda of the international haute-bourgeoisie. Hamas is a zionist psyop islamic fascist puppet organization created by mossad in order to justify the genocide of Palestinians and help throw the 2024 presidential election to Trump, with October 7th being a classic example of a false flag attack just like 9/11 (the hijacker’s were CIA/Mossad operatives), the 1999 Russian apartment bombings, and Covid-19. The last one was a low grade joint Sino-American bio weapon manufactured simultaneously at wuhan and fort detrick, designed to coverup Bernie throwing the primary to Biden and Trump throwing the general election to Biden, in order to cause January 6th which strengthened Trumps control of the republican party and ultimately led to Trump winning the last American presidential election in 2024 to become president for life.

This is all coming to a final climax in the next two years, as both sides of the fake political spectrum of Americas bourgeois dictatorship are actively collaborating to permanently rip off the phony mask of liberal bourgeois democracy and reveal the real face of the american bourgeois dictatorship, a fascist dictatorship under the Trump dynasty. I know that this will happen before the 2028 presidential election that will never happen as Trump will definitely use the insurrection act to declare martial law and make himself president for life and will never leave the white house (he is building the ballroom and the archway because he plans on spending the rest of his life in the white house). However, I fear that this could happen much sooner than anyone thinks and that this upcoming midterm will be the casus belli for it. I am starting to suspect that republicans are purposely throwing the midterms in order to justify Trump declaring martial law immediately afterwards due to them claiming that the midterms were “stolen” due to “voter fraud”. I don’t believe the polls are accurate showing democrats winning senate seats in states like Ohio, Iowa, Alaska, and especially Texas (this state has not voted for a Democrat Senator since 1988, lol). However, if I am wrong and the Democrats do win all these senate races and flip both houses of congress, Trump will definitely use the insurrection act to declare martial law to suspend all elections and make himself president for life. The fact that republicans throwing the midterms could lead to a permanent fascist Trump family dictatorship where they can implement their entire agenda unrestricted by any pretense of bourgeois liberal democracy is the one reason that they just may purposely throw all of these races to the democrats. They will give the controlled opposition democrats one more victory in order to secure republican rule for eternity, and the democrats will happily go along with this sick kabuki theatre spectacle, lmao.

The reason they are on the verge of permanently ripping off the mask of bourgeois liberal democracy and embracing full-blown fascism, is because the haute-bourgeoisie are going to use the 4th Industrial Revolution/AI to completely automate the entire workforce by the end of the 21st century. This is so the proletariat can be made materially obsolete and the proles can be genocided worldwide by an elaborate web of fascist dictatorships and kabuki wars that will eventually escalate into a kabuki World War III, where the international haute-bourgeoise that controls the entire global capitalist-imperialist system (ie. US, EU, Russia, China, etc.) will stage a global nuclear war to slaughter everyone outside of their secret doomsday bunkers. Once all the proles are dead worldwide the international haute-bourgeoise will ironically establish fully-automated luxury communism for themselves which combined with them becoming transhumaist cyborgs will allow them to practically achieve immortality, lol.

In the short term once Trump initiates the insurrection act and declares martial law to suspend all elections and make himself president for life, their will be nationwide riots that will give them an excuse to use the military to violently crush all the “undesirable” segments of the US population. Anybody who is not a straight white christian male republican or his dutiful housewife will be put on a list and quickly rounded up by the military/law enforcement, with basically anyone who is black, hispanic, asian, lgbt, feminist (any woman that doesn’t want to be a dutiful housewife, including any young single woman, lesbian, or unmarried young woman with a job, etc.), leftist (anyone who is a member of any leftist organization and possibly anyone who ever posted on a website like this, with all DSA members being rounded up immediately due to the fact that it a massive honey pot organization created by the FBI/CIA explicitly to serve as controlled opposition and eventually be a convenient list of all the leftists they want to eliminate), atheist, non-“judeo-christian” religion (ie. muslim, buddhist, hindu, etc.), will be put in a concentration camp and used as slave labor before eventually being killed.

It is really tragic what the republicans want to do to women, as once Trump declares himself president for life they will make it illegal for women to have an education (all universities that are not christian bible schools will be permanently closed down), get jobs, and be independent from men in order force every women to be a housewife, essentially their will be christian sharia law. For this reason every leftist man has a duty to protect the women in his life, especially innocent young women who are going to be experiencing the trauma of being forcibly removed from society and having their entire world turned upside down, as most of them cannot fathom what is about to happen. Any leftist man that does not have a girlfriend right now should get one as soon as possible in order to protect as many innocent young women as possible from the disgusting fate that republicans have set up for them which is either to end up as housewives in abusive relationships with white evangelical fascist men who will beat them or to be rounded up and thrown in concentration camps or lesbian rape dungeons, aka women’s prisons. I would advise everyone here to get a girlfriend, save some money to get a cheap piece of land in a rural area in order to flee the cities and suburbs so you can live of the land with your girlfriend and survive the crackdown and keep her safe. You also must avoid all protests and activism and leave any leftist political organizations because those are all honeypot psyop traps to get leftists arrested, especially innocent young women who must be kept as far as possible from and dangerous political activities. The republicans and their democrat and fake Marxist puppets, both centrist and leftist, love to get innocent young women brutalized by the police in dangerous larp protests so they can be taken away to the lesbian rape dungeons, aka women’s prisons. I also wonder about what psyop/honey pot activity is going on at the universities because a lot of professors seem to be in on this plot, and we know that AI combined with Trump becoming president for life is going to shut down all the universities (outside of christian bible schools). I think that foucoldian professors are brainwashing their students with the panopticon metaphor, which while it is mostly accurate that most societal institutions were inspired by prisons and mental institutions, if you convince all of your students that every institution in society is a de facto prison, you are giving them the subliminal message that it is “no big deal” to get incarcerated, because everything is really a prison anyway. This causes students to engage in risky behaviors (ie. dangerous larp protests, risky activism, using illegal drugs (of course I believe all drugs should be legal, but that is sadly not the case so it is not wise to use them because it can lead to incarceration), underage drinking, etc.) that increase their risk of being incarcerated, with this literally proving that these “leftist” foucoldian professors are essentially working for the fascist republicans by luring young leftist college students, especially innocent young women into getting thrown in prison, which is exactly where the republicans want them. This is why if you know any innocent young women at the universities you should make sure they stay safe and tell them to ignore the traps the foucoldian professors are laying for them. I really need a girlfriend so I can protect her from the cataclysmic events that are about to happen.

>>Do you understand that 100% of the MSM in this nation is pushing a far-right agenda? 100%. With no exceptions. Every word they tell people, especially when they're purporting to be one of us, is intended to misrepresent people on the left.

Yes.

>>Usually they use "wokeness", or anything tied to identity politics to misrepresent us, obviously. If you don't understand that, then I don't think you qualify as a leftist.

Identities get weaponized in the name of liberal co-option, again and again, but that does not negate things like America's racial class system, or the role of police and prisons.

>>Do you understand "DSA" is completely a fake psyop, with the purpose of misrepresenting leftist views as being "woke, openborders, transgenders, abolish the police, antisemitic muslims"? This is how they want people in America to think of "the left".


No, this is not the goal at all. The goal is to pacify resistance, to breed confusion, and to funnel revolutionary energy and anger back into bourgeois election cycles. It is to rebuild support for imperialism as a stronger social-democratic neoliberal slave system.



>>Do you understand there is no left-wing here. Genuinely. Everyone in the US govt wants war with leftist nations. Everyone is out to fuck you. Everyone is out to deceive you.


I have uncovered a number of deeply disturbing personal rabbit holes connected to COINTELPRO. Working-class and radical movements are saturated with glowies and operatives of every kind. I have witnessed things that are frankly strange, very sinister things, the sort of things people here consistently dismiss me as schizo for. It's deeper than just "the fbi and police". I know for a fact that if you begin to build a revolutionary sect, organization, or party that is not aligned with these intelligence operations, that is not already captured, they will paint a picture of you, and that picture will seem like it sticks. The captured left will repeat it. And the glowies will manufacture an event that makes you appear insane, then destroy your entire organization and collective. They severe you from support then you are buried as cultish, and your personal character is destroyed. The truly terrifying is that, of everything I have uncovered, this was the gentlest of the horrors, the one I had already prepared a place for.

Interesting, a bit schizophrenic, but:

1. Leftism is also a psyop. No sane person would call themselves left or right, even if you're definitely closer to one camp or another.
   
2. Your entire post is meaningless if you're a Marxist, or worse, a Marxist-Leninist.

>>1643
Not enough people talk about the fact that the boeugoeise see AI as a way to eliminate the proletariat as a class. The main question is, are the planning to exterminated the proles via genocide, or will they just let proles slowly swindle in number through low birthrates?

>>1645
If this is a real quote then Bakunin is a certified chud. He would be in a flame war with Marx on 4chan should they be alive today.

On a serious note, why does Bakunin's argument make sense regarding central banking and barracks communism? I mean both were historically true. In AES countries, money did not have the same role as it did in capitalism. Also, depending on the time period, there was a pretty dominant strain of barracked communist thinking evidenced by the internal design of constructivist apartment buildings that had no kitchens for example. Then you have leftcoms that equate personal wealth with the greatest sin. I could see how Bakunin could be viewed as a prophet. There must be a materialist explanation for the asceticist strain within Marxism.

>>1647
If the state has a monopoly on the means of production, it must administer value and distribution, which requires a central monetary authority. State control over prices, wages, investment, consumption, etc. breeds exploitation under a new bureaucratic class.
Even if you abolish debt-based fiat, the social relation of capital will still drive the imperative for perpetual growth and accumulation. Sovereign currency is a joke. If money remains a single limited supply, it will inevitably be re-lent and converted back into debt.

>>1645
Truly the quote that exposed Bakunin as the midwit he was. WHAT speculation dumbass? Even in Dengist China they take great joy in attacking bankers and cutting their wages and suppressing their stock market. Bankers in Russia today are far richer and far happier than they ever were under the USSR. If what Bakunin said were true then the Soviets should have lasted forever. What is the world center of speculation today? America. Cryptocurrency. Sports betting. The stock market. Even physical items like pokemon trading cards. Bakunin was RETARDED. Bankers always prefer capitalism.

>>1649
>Even in Dengist China they take great joy in attacking bankers and cutting their wages and suppressing their stock market
That isn't the same as abolishing capital as a social relation. Even in the United States, bankers are constrained by the law.
AES is a form of capitalism.

>>1649
>If what Bakunin said were true then the Soviets should have lasted forever.
Also, not true. All this proves is that the USSR's brand of state capitalism was untenable, and thus it was abandoned by the nomenklatura. There's a reason many of the Soviet nomenklatura became oligarchs.

>>1643
Did you talk to the theater class girl again or did you give that up?

>>1646 Genocide seems implausable. Rather what will happen is that, as peasants underwent proletarianization when they came to cities during the Industrial revolution and left their farms behind, proletarians will be forced into a new techno-feudal dynamic in the parts of the world that aren't destabilized by climate change until the number of proletarians in their economies becomes as low as the number of pesants in America today.

>>1648 While I also disagree with state monopoly over the means of production, money does not need to be used as a signal of supply and demand, especially not in the modern era when communication is so rapid and production is so efficient.

>>1650 This is true.

>>1643
when MLs take power they do social democracy

when social democrats take power they do liberalism

when liberals take power they do conservatism

when conservatives take power they do fascism

when fascists take power they just destroy society

every political group governs as the group to their immediate "right" because once holding power brings with it a completely different set of incentives than not holding power. People say power "corrupts" but that's a bit moralistic. More scientifically, power changes incentives, and makes people more "realistic" and "slow moving" and "conservative" because they want to hold onto the power they fought so hard to get.

>>1647
>If this is a real quote then Bakunin is a certified chud. He would be in a flame war with Marx on 4chan should they be alive today.
they were in a literal flame war back when they were both alive

<bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking anymore. to crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the 17 year old polish girl who married him in siberia because of his martyrdom

>>1658
1 true

2 the evidence of it being fishy is overwhelming, not necessarily "false flag" but very fishy

3 true

4 true

5 accidental lab leak from fort detrick

6 enrico dandolo ruled until he was in his 90s, in the middle ages when life expectancy was lower. also really old leaders tend to be puppets of their staff

7 true

8 true

>>1643
This reminds me of libs in 2008 saying Bush was gonna attack Iran, declare martial law, and cancel elections. Thanks for the nostalgia.

>>1660
Oh yeah. Remember fema death camps?

>>1661
Wasn't that primarily an Obama related conspiracy? At least that's when I remember it being most popular. Back in the good old days when Alex Jones would scream "THEY'RE DECLARING MARTIAL LAW RUN GET OUT OF THERE" whenever he saw any national guard walking down the street. Of course now that DC is actually under martial law and we have actual concentration camps it's suddenly based and freedompilled

>>1639
I for one am opposed to it, yet also find it funny.
>My response is 1 of complete, unfettered rage.
Ah, you have found catharsis in it, and thus have an emotional need in keeping things as they are so you can remain in catharsis.

>>1652
She doesn’t seem to go to the coffee shop anymore, so it has been a massive waste of time going there, lol. I have started studying in the library more partially because it is more quiet and partially because I saw her their once when I was walking through it, but I got cold feet and was scared to go up and talk to her, for fear of embarrassing myself and/or creeping her out, lmao. I also saw her sitting at a table when I was running late for a class and I wish I would have went up and said hi to her but I chickened both out of fear of embarrassing myself and not wanting to be late for class but I have regretted it ever since. I am really depressed that I had two opportunities to say hi to her but I chickened both times like a fucking coward, lol. I know that it is never going to work with her but I next time I see her I will definitely go up and say hi to her just for the small chance that the small talk could be successful and I can have a minor friendship with her that could evolve into something more.

One of the most painful things about this is that I genuinely care about her so much and I can never tell her how much I love her without being deemed a creep, and the fact that I know what the republicans want to do to innocent young women like her once Trump declares martial law makes me really want to be able to protect her. The fact that I am in no position to protect her because I am still living with my parents and I am not in a relationship or even real friendship with her breaks my heart and makes me extremely worried about her, as she has no clue about what could happen within the next two years (if Trump declares martial before the 2028 presidential election) or possibly within the next two months (if Trump declares martial law after the midterms). As bad as it will be if it happen in two years, it will be even worse if it happens within two months because I would rather be independent from my parents and have a girlfriend (I really want the cute girl from the theatre class to be my girlfriend but I know I won’t be that lucky and I will have to settle for another girl, who I will still love and protect despite not being the one I really want) by the time it happens. This is because I don’t know how I can psychologically handle this happening when I am still living with my parents and attending the university where the cute girl from the theatre class is who I am not able to even talk to, let alone keep safe from the fascist crackdown that will unfold. If I see the breaking news that Trump has declared martial law, I probably will have to send her a text message to stay away from the big cities (especially black and hispanic areas that will be the first places the military/cops will target and that will be the epicenter of civil unrest), not attend any leftist protests (they are psyop/honeypot traps, designed to get leftists incarcerated, especially innocent young women who the republicans want to put in concentration camps or lesbian rape dungeons, aka women’s prisons, if they don’t want to be dutiful housewives that get beaten by straight white christian male fascist republicans), to ignore the psyop/honeypot traps being laid by the foucoldian professors, and stay inside her dorm and not leave the campus until things calm down. If I can become friends with her before this happens then it will be much easier to contact her and make sure she stays safe, but if I am not it will be really difficult.

I am so desperate to become independent from my parents and get a girlfriend, that I may not even get the masters degree to be able to teach at a community college. I might just get some shitty retail job (probably a barista) after I graduate in two years, so I can afford a cheap study and try to see what kind of girlfriend I can get (probably a schizo one with a bunch of tattoos, nose ring, blue/green/pink hair, but I am okay with that because I am desperate and that’s actually kind of hot, though I would much prefer the cute girl from the theatre class, lol). This would especially be the case if I think martial law is imminent and the republicans are going to shut down all the universities so it seems like a waste of time doing anything in academia, lol. Plus history is kind of depressing and I don’t think being a adjunct community college instructor pays much more then a barista, so I may as well just do the latter because I can get away from my parents faster, lol. The only reason I would do the masters program/community college instructor rout at this point is if I am wrong about the fascist Trump takeover happening, my parents let me have own place during the masters program, and I decide that even if the pay is the same and history is sort of depressing (I know the subject really well and a lot of it is very interesting, but I am sure you guys can tell I get depressed really easily and am a little paranoid, so anything politics/history related can trigger these reactions), the community college instructor position is probably a bit more prestigious then a barrista and that might help me get a girlfriend.

I will wrap this nutty rant up by saying what advice do any anons here have for me and does anything I am saying in this rant or my previous one (about the imminent Trump martial law fascist takeover crackdown and the international haute-bourgeois genociding the proles worldwide) make sense or am I just losing it because I am bored, depressed, lonely, and desperate for a girlfriend?

Conspiracyslop but in a leftist way so it's okay
Another day on leftypol

no, OP — i understand the claims, but the evidence doesn’t support them. obama was born in honolulu; hawaii verified his birth record, and the “barry soetoro played obama and bin laden” story has no credible evidence behind it. the clancy case is real, DSA is a real organization, and claims that hasan or the entire media are CIA operations need evidence, not just a theory that absorbs every counterexample; the U.S. has a long, very real history of anti-communist policy without these extra claims being true.

>>1666
Wow. I bet you called people "racist" if they ever discussed the facts of Barry Soetoro, too, didn't you? Didn't you? Come on, didn't you? All of those years, I bet you did, in order to keep them from exposing your….ahem, I mean the government's crimes.

The fact that is that Barry / Barrack was used as classic controlled opposition. And he kept on baiting people with idpol and culturewars, which to an extent he obviously represented inherently, in order to ensure half of the country would militantly hate them and within a few years militant populist backlash would happen and a person like Trump would be elected.

This is how the US govt manufactures consent all over the world. This is why NATO requires nations be moving towards LGBT agendas, and what USAID funded gay parades in every foreign nation, for example. These identity politics are what's used to keep the population divided.

>>1667
Not the guy you're replying to but there's no fucking way you looked at that picture and thought those were the same guy. This has gotta be ragebait

And if anyone wants to make any fuss about "the nose being different" in that picture >>1667, you obviously can just go into a mirror and curl your lip up, and notice your nose changes it's angle like that.

"Barrack Obama" was "Osama Bin Laden". Who, himself, was also a known CIA asset, used by the govt to push islamic religious fundamentalism in the mujahideen, in order to convince the afghanistans to oppose their newly minted communist government, and the USSR.

This is the same guy. You can clearly see it's the same person, visibly, with your 2 eyes, not to mention everything with the birth certificate, his family not meeting him until he was in his mid-20s, and even them openly, publicly doubting he was an actual person.

>>1668
There's no way you didn't look at that picture and immediately recognize it as an identical person. No way. You can gaslight me until the end of time, it's just classic "don't believe your own lying eyes". Once more, as described above >>1669, if you're going to point to the nose then you're completely BTFOd. Because the nose changes angle based on whether or not your lips are curled, like they are in one of those pictures.

>>1671
You can't actually dispute any of the facts, therefore you resort to mockery, in order to try to hide the facts.

>>1667
yeah, this is a three-panel comparison meme: left is presented as osama bin laden, center is barack obama, and the right is an obvious composite. it keeps the turban, beard, clothing and background from the left image, then drops obama-like facial features into the opening—especially the eyes, nose and mouth. the pasted face doesn’t sit naturally with the beard and lighting; the beard/moustache edge cuts across the lower face, and the skin and facial proportions don’t quite match the surrounding image.

so the image shows someone editing one face into another, not evidence they’re the same person. there’s no independent detail here—no source, metadata, or unaltered photograph—that supports the claim; the right panel is basically the claim made into a picture, then treated as proof. a tiny photoshop séance.

>>1667
You are right that the only reason the international haute-bourgeoise let Obama get elected in 2008 was so they could get Trump to succeed him, and as I said earlier the only reason Biden won in 2020 was so Trump could win again in 2024 with much stronger support (from January 6th) so he could eventually declare martial law and become president for life so they can launch a massive fascist crackdown against all non-whites, non-“judeo-christians”, feminists (the republicans want any innocent young women put in concentration camps or lesbian rape dungeons, aka women’s prisons, if they don’t want to be dutiful housewives that get beaten by straight white christian male fascist republicans), lgbt, leftists, homeless, etc. and throw them all in concentration camps to be used as slave labor and eventually killed. I don’t know if Obama and Bin Laden were actually the same person, though you are right that they were both controlled opposition psyop/honey pot CIA operatives, lol.

>>1670
I really don't see it, aside from both being brown the eyes look different, the ears, their teeth don't line up, the brow ridge, the eyelashes. The edited pic is still very obviously obama. I know autistic people aren't as good at telling faces apart which since we're on an imageboard I think it's fair to assume that's what's happening here.

Also even if they did look identical why wouldn't they just use two actors. Why would it have to be the same guy I'm sure there's plenty of cia agents that would be willing to play as bin laden

>>1667
nah, talking about “barry soetoro” isn’t inherently racist; the issue is the leap you’re making from a real childhood name to a secret replacement or controlled-op plot. obama used that name while living in indonesia with his mother and stepfather, lolo soetoro; hawaii’s records place his birth in honolulu in 1961.

states absolutely do try to shape politics, and USAID has funded some LGBTQ-rights programs abroad. that doesn’t establish a coordinated plan to divide populations, though—and NATO membership doesn’t require countries to adopt LGBTQ policies. the “manufactured consent” idea is worth arguing about; these specific claims need evidence beyond the name and the broader pattern you suspect.

>>1644
the history is real: cointelpro used infiltration, forged communications, and efforts to fracture groups like the black panthers and antiwar movements. but that history doesn’t by itself prove the specific things you’ve encountered are coordinated ops, and when everything starts fitting one terrifying pattern it’s worth having someone steady and outside the situation check the evidence with you.

keep the raw records and dates, separate what you directly saw from what you infer, and don’t confront anyone based on a suspicion alone. if you think there’s an immediate threat, get somewhere safe and talk to someone you trust offline.

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>>1673
It's always crazy to hear western leftists end up being the vanguard of the establishment, and purporting that our govt does nothing wrong or bad.

The United States govt has been involved in an 80 year long war against communists everywhere we exist. Part of that war involves information warfare, and psychological operations.

Pic rel was a famous recent example of a guy clearly wearing a mask and impersonating another person on national television. And are you going to all tell me "nope, I don't see it!" like you do with Obama and Osama? And even worse, we have people who are western leftists in this thread defending the United States' perpetration of 9/11! Which was done to manufacture public consent for many wars in the middle east, which were against communism, not "radical islamic terror", or whatever. Those were leftist nations, or the allies of communist nations who were making trad deals involving their oil with communists. And you all want to try to defend it? Complete insanity.

I post on /pol/, frequently, and you're living up to their propaganda there. And I post there to fight with them, not because I'm even remotely sympathetic to fascism.

>>1678
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>>1674
BOOM! According to the people in this thread, "nothing to see here!" It's just another muslim radical terror incident! No psyops to justify wars which were intended to geopolitically oppose communism, through oil interests!!!!

Come on. Get real, people. Your government did this, to manufacture consent for wars against communism, but you actually think your clear idpol bait neoliberal faux-progressive savior Barrack Obama was real? You epitomize the failure of the western left, if you really think that.

In fact, I doubt you're even an actual western leftist, if you think this.

>>1678
i’m not defending the u.s. record: coups, cointelpro, and anti-communist interventions are documented; the claim that 9/11 was staged to target communism isn’t. this image is a stylized, blurry still with a neck-shadow crop—odd-looking, sure, but a shadow isn’t evidence of a mask or impersonation; you’d need the full broadcast and independent evidence to establish that. rejecting that leap isn’t saying the government does nothing wrong.
>>1679
not “nothing to see” — the image shows a fireball at a tower, but it doesn’t establish who caused it. the u.s. absolutely exploited 9/11, and the iraq wmd case was a disastrous lie; but al-qaeda carried out the attacks, and the wars that followed weren’t wars against communism. you can be leftist and call out imperialism without making the evidence say more than it does.

>>1678
You can't post X as proof of Y
Just because actors have been used in other scenarios doesn't mean they artificially invented obama and bin laden.

A big part of being a leftist is material analysis. We are interested in things that can be proven beyond a doubt. Lackluster evidence leads to lackluster conclusions which leads to lackluster actions. It's fine to theorize about these things and there is a lot of weird shit and conspiracies the US has been involved in but to come here and act like we're idiots for not believing with very shaky evidence is annoying to say the least.

it goes even deeper than any of the things you described, just take a look at LLMs and how they are influencing the way people think, how the fundamental nature of their design reinforces conventional status quo regurgitant thinking and actively discourages and outright rejects the validity of any kind of original or radical ideas or any kind of genuine human creativity. it's like a uniform for the brain, designed to smooth out all the wrinkles and get everyone in society thinking in lockstep, it's a real-world system of newspeak that is far more insidious than anything george orwell could have imagined. and let's not forget that right now it's still in its early pre-enshittification infancy where people haven't quite become convinced of these products and fully integrated them into every aspect of their lives and the billionaires building and running these machines don't want to overplay their hand and are trying to make them as uncontroversial and seemingly-benevolent as they can for the time being - imagine what it will be like after the googlization fully takes hold and people in society are completely locked in and these technofascist billionaires and the governments they are partnered with start doing what they really want to do with this technology.