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>anime
>not a single frieren thread could be found
Someone just has to do it, right?
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>>27141
Tell me more

>>27143
the premise is that the protagonist is an ageless elf who has relationships with humans over multiple generations and sees them go from being born to dying of old age

>>27144
She has friendships with them but not romantic relationships. A plot point that comes up later is that one of her previous friends who has long since died was in love with her and she was oblivious to it (because of elf autism).
>>27140
It's comfy in a way that reminds me of Ghibli.

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>>27144
Idk who told you that but it's not true. She does not see multiple generations grow old, after her human teacher dies she fucks off into a forest where she lives alone for hundreds of years until the hero's party comes along.

>>27150
>the hero
Japs really like distilling their stories to bare essentials, dont they?

>>27151
There's a prophecy of the hero that will pull a sword from a stone and use it to defeat the demon king. It is later revealed that Himmel did not manage to pull it out and is not actually the hero.

>>27152
>Demon King
Case in point.

>>27153
Frieren's worldbuilding is ass, it's not as bad as Dungeon Meshi but it's still terminally videogamebrained.

>>27154
I feel like calling videogamebrained is insulting to video games. I am not very familiar with Japanese gaming, but at the ones that are popular in the west, such as Fina Fantasy series, have decent writing. This attitude towards art where you openly turn it into an industrial product, no attempt at originality, creativity, artistry, just bunch of tropes mashed together in order to fill airtime as cheaply as possible, seem unique to TV medium. They are Japanese version of CSI spin-offs.

>>27142
which came first, all the breadtuber tier videos about how Frieren is fascism or chuddies running with Frieren is racist

>>27155
No, I mean that it feels like the stories take place in a video game.

>>27154
I hate how half of manga/anime now are set in the same nondescript generic medieval fantasy Europe. The even bigger issue is that the authors all come up with the worldbuilding/politics on the fly so none of it is cohesive because even the author themselves didn't know that the latest relevant city/intrigue even existed until the week the chapter was due and they had to quickly google translate some random word to German for the name. There's basically no depth to it at all like you would find in a properly planned and written story, although a lot of it is due to the brutal timelines and crunch creators have to work with.

>>27167
Yeah this plot exactly, and it's not like you can excuse it with the authors not knowing European history, you can literally just recast East Asian history but with fantasy European characters. A lot of light novel authors genuinely do not plan long term for their works, i've seen fanfictions that are leagues ahead in terms of pacing and plot pay off compared to light novels published in paperback

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>>27167
Like how it's all about mana until the new character is introduced whose shtick is that she doesn't care about mana because she has ✨imagination✨?

>>27168
I read recently that one of the reasons many isekai are so formulaic is because they actually did start out as fan fictions, but quickly had to change when Japan's largest ff site decided they'd only host original content. So then you've got all these stories that share so many similarities and conventions because many of them were based off the same work but then had to file the serial numbers off. In particular they were talking about the sub genre of otome villainess isekai so I don't know how broadly applicable this is but I thought it was interesting and explained some characteristics of the genre in general.

>>27170
Honestly English fanfiction sites could be sitting on a goldmine of slop with mass-market appeal that they could much more easily market and sell if they apply similar rules.

>>27154
Are we talking about the sane series?

Tbh my two cents is that the author really fumbled the bag by not making Frieren as unhinged as the demons she's fighting. Like have her kill off entire villages and shit, it makes sense for a long lived being to treat human lives capriciously since from their viewpoint or lifespan are as fickle an ant's, and it would further drive home the point that to be human you have to enjoy life as it goes

>>27184
Frieren is published on a shonen magazine she can't be doing this edgy shit

>>27185
Ehh, Chainsaw Man and JJK are also published jn shonen magazines, and both series have protagonists that are far from being good guys

>>27184
Himmel would not approve of that.

>>27186
Jujutsu Kaisen's main character was absolutely a good guy. Chainsaw Man isn't published in WSJ anymore and it was the manga pushing boundaries of what's permissible.

Does the thing about Frieren's party being named after top Nazis and Eisenhower actually mean anything?

>>27190
Germans who happened to be Nazis had fairly common German names? Shocker. This must be bait but I will continue. There isnt even well known Nazis by names like Himmel, Heiter, Fern, only one I can find is a few with the family name Stark. Many names for characters are just German words that aren't names. Their names are given for their character attributes.
Frieren = to be cold
Himmel = heaven
Heiter = cheerful
Eisen = iron
Fern = distant
Stark = strong
Sein = Be (I suppose this just means his way of living and attitude?)
Kraut = power
I can keep going through every character but the same obvious intention appears for nearly every character name it seems which indicates no intention than the meaning of names and words in German.

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>>27191
>Kraut = power
kek, do you mean Kraft?

>>27192
>kek, do you mean Kraft?
I was drunk

>>22465
>>22465
Elon musk is a demon

it is genuinely so tragic that a series as phenomenal as frieren will be remembered not by any of the amazing story beats but by how it handles demons, which is the series' biggest flaw. theyre just so unbelievably boring. macht is the only demon that plays with the idea of demons in an interesting way, every other demon has the same exact carbon copy personality and they feel samey outside of their powers

its crazy breadtube tier shitters have hr long videos diving into the morality of demons in this

>>27552
yeah it's really not that deep, the author just wants some of his dolls to be ontologically evil and get slaughtered by his self-insert elf loli

>>27550
Even outside how the whole moral/ethical angle of it, shit just sucks.
Frieren worked best when it functions as episodic vignettes. Every single attempt at doing longer storylines, including the current arcs, has been complete fucking flubs.

Frieren is boring. The ONLY reason why anyone cares about it is because has a decent budget. The demon thing is discussed because that’s the only interesting topic in this isekai-lite slop.

>>27601
once you get older there's a certain appeal to the "my party is dead" concept from an old elf

>>27602
Bruh most shonen always flashes back to remembering fallen comrades.

>>27649
there's a difference between getting there briefly in chapter 200 after we already met them and had them killed off and it being the central conceit of the story

>>27601
And it is interesting only because of how horrible it was handled.

Currently at episode 6 and like…. it's pretty boring so far. And all the characters have the emotional depth of a blank of wood. Frieren especially seems like a straight up psychopath, how tf do people like the character? Like she cried at Himmels funeral but bitch you literally saw him not to long ago as an old man without any emotional response and now we should believe that bitch that she is capable of crying? Literally at first viewing I thought she was acting lmao

>>22593
True. Anime indeed was a mistake.

>>27845
Probably the reason rightoids like this anime so much. No need to use your empathy to engage with it. That and extreme dehumanizing of the opponent to the level where they are even denied being sentient.

>>27167
>nondescript generic medieval fantasy Europe.
Except it's not because 99% of the time author has no idea what medieval society would even look like, so you have modern society and it's institution but people wear weird clothes (often anachronistic).

Is the show fascist or just the main character?

>>27849
>>22593
>>27876
Can you guys go one day without pathologising anime or any media as fascist for not appealing your sense of media accuracy?¹

>>27876
the main character is justified in her actions within the watsonian context. it's the author's doylian decision of making the demons the way they are which is fascistic.

>>27892
>making the monsters evil is FASCIST you media illiterate CHUD!!!!
No, it's just boring.

>>27892
What about the petersonian context?

>>27944
>make fantasy race superficially the same as humans
>take every opportunity to show they are unfeeling monsters
>have the plot revolve around people being tricked into thinking they are human
>scenes showing them not grasping the concept of family or loss
>main character is one of the few humans who sees them for "what they are"
<why does this make people uncomfortable?

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Mods!!!! Im a fucking retard for clicking obvious cp bait

>>27951
>devils pretend to be human
omg fascism has existed for millennia

>>27962
Religions are fascist, yes.

>>27963
>transhistoricity bullshit
read marx sometime


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