Is Attack on Titan fash?
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>>21518AoT is a tragedy and lives up exactly to what the genre is about. If people were looking for the good guys to win then they tried to find that in the wrong series. The critique about Eldia not being saved also wrongfully assumes that the story is about Eldia being saved.
>>21517That’s fine, but you can’t say that for AOT for two reasons.
The ending we got was forced and out of synch with what would actually happen given the authors context for the worlds setup. Eren is fucking dead and the power of the founding titan is long since gone well before he has any reason to be able start a rumbling.
The fact that the rumbling occurs and how it changes the planet still fucks over any sense of consistency and manages to be a considerably less satisfying ending than if Eldia was straight up raised to the ground and the story ended off there.
The ending was shit and poorly thought out. There’s no excuse for Eren, his actions, the retconning and the plot armour it took to even create such a terrible conclusion. Hell I haven’t even touched into the fact that outside of the literal death of paradis island, basically anyone that didn’t already hate Eldia now has zero reason to not want to kill off the remaining Eldians, wether or not they’re even aware that plenty don’t support Erens actions.
>>21520there's also the fact that the story constantly cocksucks eren and lionizes his edgy retard behavior, it's not like the warning signs weren't there
>>21518>people haven't consumed tragedy for escapism/catharsis since fucking civilization existedtumblr brain moment
the pure titans have been wiped out during the time skip, but in theory there could be some left since eldia was sending them all the time. also in my opinions it should have ended with eren succeeding, but paradis still getting destroyed but from inside due to the fascist who took over, but Isayama is a fascist himself so he of course did nit do that and would rather create an ending which validates the kill or be killed ideology of the fascists and his newly ideologically open segment of audience.
>>6734Attack on Titan feels like someone had a gigantification + vore/stepping fetish and also liked anime a lot, so they combined the most tropey shonen anime action with the fetish, following an inane plotline. I mean it worked in terms of popularity so you can't claim it's a failure.
>>21522Escapism is for boredom. Tragedy is entertaining.
>>21582usually people with that fetish make the giants hot. Nost titans look like they were taken out of some fascist propaganda poster which makes sense since they are seemingly are the stereotypical foreign animalistic subhuman bugmen horde that is only there to destroy.
>>21586>usually people with that fetish make the giants hot. Not necessarily, just mainstream. And I mean the main protagonist Titan-shifters are relatively better looking than the brainless NPC-normie titans.
>they are seemingly are the stereotypical foreign animalistic subhuman bugmen horde that is only there to destroy.LMAO, but even in those depictions there is the interracial element.
>>6734Dunno if it's fash but it's way over-rated
>>21638The actual lesson is not to be naïve and commit to a successful genocide. Their punishment is to be stuck in limbo for not going all in.
>>22251How many people praised the ending of One Piece?
>>22252I'm sure a lot of people are going to when it happens.
It’s entertaining, but under any scrutiny, the story is retarded, which shouldn’t be surprising considering the author is an unabashed imperial Japan apologist.
The fan interpretations solidify how much he fumbled the story, with every person seemingly parroting either:
1. The story was about how war is inevitable and the cycle will always persist, no matter what we do, so let’s just hold hands and peacefully walk into the inevitable knowing we’re good people.
or the more concerning
2. The story was a cautionary tale that you should always complete genocides of your enemies as they are ontologically evil and must exterminated.
>>22254natural result of being a liberal. The ideology doesn’t really have anything to offer to refute fascism, other than “it’s not cool to kill” and “actually you are the real homos/jews” so it’s only natural that author failed to offer a real reason why Eren’s plan was wrong other than attacking Eren’s character by making him act in a pathetic way in the end, kind of like how liberals attack Trump or Putin by calling them gay. Also I am 💯 confident that author has fascist sympathies which naturally got in his way once he decided that “billions must die” isn’t cool actually.
>>22257Yeah he’s absolutely a mild crypto fash at heart.
He openly designed a character after an imperial Japan invasion commander, noting that said war criminal was “frugal and respectable”. He also denied comfort women in Korea being a real problem, as well as saying that Korea occupation benefited Korea in the long run cause their population increased, and Japan was not anywhere near as bad as Nazi germany.
>>22253If WW3 and/or climte change aren't killing us before
>>22257i've seen a theory from fd signifier that isayama was just shitting up the manga on purpose and the anguish and imposter syndrome he was feeling led him to the contradictory and pessimistic worldview he holds rather than any political ideology. he's probably a right-ish edgy liberal
I wish it ended before the time skip.
>>22940If you don't want the Embed to vanish if the site has a glitch, post the URL and name, moron.
>There is Nothing Good About Attack on Titan's Endinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqyFK0-nq3w Ending ruined all the themes, show was ruined as soon as Eldia didn't follow through on the Azoumabuto Clans plans.
Could have done the rumbling pre warning, then attempt diplomatic relations with Nations who were colonized by Marley, create an anti-colonial alliance and show discrimination against the Eldians is not needed, with the ending following the themes of a better world rid of imperialism or genocide, not bullshit fascist movement on the Eldian Island which ruined the direction of the story, but would've been good if the volunteers won that battle.
Bad ending, nice anime.
Zeke was right
https://archive.is/eRg2RWhy have our main characters and extended cast act in an cooperative manner, some advocating peace or a better world like Armin, or The Volunteers relative to justice for their own nations and national liberation, only to end the show with genocide and perpetual war.
if the entire theme and point of the show is about freedom and oppression, then the show has failed by displaying an pessimistic ending, not a positive one of escaping the cycle of war, ending oppression and actually gaining freedom.
The plot could have been written better, the author chose not to write the story, not even attempt to mirror actual 20th Century History of oppression and freedom.
>>25394>the crypto fascist author thinks an ending where conflict is transcended is "hokey"well golly
>>25396Anon, don't be a prat. The idealism of end to contention and war is unrealistic, and depending on the story may or may not make sense. It makes sense in Naruto since that's part of the over-arching theme/story of Naruto's path. It wouldn't necessarily make sense for other stories however.
You know what, Eren doing a full rumbling was the only way to make the ending good. All Isayama had to do was fulfill the narrative promises made in earlier chapters and have him genocide the entire world and kill or permanently estrange all of his friends, and then destroy titan powers. He comes home and retires but is consumed by guilt and retires. Despite 'winning' all his friends are dead, including ones who would be on his side like Floch, except for Historia who not to be a shipper, (if we're talking pure shipping Ymir x Historia was the only couple with any chemistry ever in the entire series), was obviously meant to have a child with him. His hollow victory means he becomes an absent father and he despises himself like Reiner did. Over the years he comes to realise that the entire situation could have been resolved through diplomacy and that his friends were right. Historia dies of natural causes and it looks like a civil war is going to break out betwen the fascist survey corps and his fascist daughter who thinks Eren used to be a great man but got weak, and they are threatening each other with Nuclear bombs like TNO basically, because eradicating titans did not eradicate weapons of mass destruction. Resigned, he sits back and waits for them to kill each other. He had completely won but it meant nothing in the long run. But when he opens his eyes the bombs haven't been dropped. They'd sorted things out peacefully without genocide. The ending is positive and the future is bright, with people co-operating and building nuclear energy instead of weapons. The story's narrative is completed satisfyingly with Eren realizing he was wrong and finally smiling as a better world is built.
bruh, i 100% thought it was anti-fash, but I stumbled upon the whole @migiteorerno drama and now I'm thinking else wise lmao
>>25888I just read into it more, and the creator having a private anti-korean ultranationalist twitter account should be more well known instead of arguing in circles about the anime itself being fascist
>the creator having a private anti-korean ultranationalist twitter account should be more well known
In japan this is the median citizen
>>6740it wasn't boring or convoluted. I just think you might have a low attention span.
>>25889now that it's finished (and I've finished it) I'll say the same thing I said in /siberia/:
certain chuddy fans might latch onto it as "fascist" but the anime itself isn't really as chuddy as some people make it out to be. there's militarism and patriotism and even genocide and stuff, but I 't think it is thoroughly critiqued. I think the entire 4th season is a thorough critique of it, just not from a really "materialist" Communist perspective because that's not the kind of universe it take place in. Also there's a lot of supernatural stuff going on with Ymir, and the Coordinate, and the Paths, and the 2000 year history leading up to the show, so it's going in a spiritual direction more than in a political direction. After Eren is dead and buried there's that time lapse where Mikasa moves on, gets married, grows old, gets buried next to him, then the tree turns into the same kind of tree that the founder Ymir ran into when she was trying to escape Fritz's soldiers. Then it shows a kid wandering into it. So the cycle is implied to continue. I think Isayama has a spiritual outlook where he sees everything as cyclical.
>>6957I don't think the ending sucked at all. I think it wrapped up according to the logos pathos and ethos of the universe it was set in. I don't think it wrapped up according to how people personally shipped characters or how people personally wanted things to happen. But it was damn good storytelling and emotionally satisfying if you understood what it was going for.
>>25889It is not fascist it is nietzschean.
>>21521>the story constantly cocksucks eren and lionizes his edgy retard behavioryou didn't understand the story if that's what you thought it was doing
>>6766>if a story depicts something that means it condones itare you sure?
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