How come there isn't any Alunya impersonator!?
>>3388What happened, exactly?
The hololive thread on /jp/ is just too fast to get any good info.
No, really, it's even faster that the damn trump general on /pol/>I'm saddened to hear that even something as innocent as the vtuber sphereThat shit is corporate as fuck, dude.
It actually surprised me how quick it got porkied up.
>>3388 e-celebs wearing an anime girl face are still e-celebs.
>>3391 /jp/ has reclined.
My friend group is already shitting out reactionary anti-China memes that reminds me of the Hog Kog glowie retardation. I'm hoping the issue will just pass, people will shift focus to YouTube removing community contributions or something, and nobody tries to escalate the issue by doubling down.
>>3390tl;dr: They recognized Taiwan as a separate entity from China which violates the One-China policy.
>>3439>a bunch of Chinese fans got upset over the mention of Taiwan,It's a bit more complex than that. From what I can tell, everyone's oversimplifying the situation and leaving out the fact that there's a whole chain of unfortunate coincidences that caused the Chinese to think that Coco hated them, which is why they forgive Haato but some are calling for Coco's head.
>and their company overreacted and might fire them because of it?Cover Corp isn't good at protecting their employees and this incident is coming right after the Mano Aloe's forced retirement, so people are freaking out thinking "the goddamn commies killed coco!!!!1!!" when they really just gave them a 3 week break.
The company has issued out a couple of statements on the matter, but people don't accept apologies easily these days, so y'know…
>>3442From what I've read, they think that Coco did it deliberately because her analytics showed she had a lower Chinese viewer/dono base than the other vtubers.
>>3447Do people on Bili even care?
>>3442I can't be arsed to look into it more since all the discussions zones are flooded with useless anti-communist reactionary trash, but it looks like Coco's incident happens right after Haato's incident which made some people think she was doubling down and personally giving China the middle finger.
The people going "wtf commies killed coco" are just reactionaries that watch garbage like Hero Hei and won't do anything but continue to be fed garbage by YouTube's autoplay algorithm.
I don't understand why idiots think Cover Corp would just fire their two best employees like that's a terrible business approach. The circumstances are completely different from the Mano Aloe incident since Mano Aloe barely lasted a month under Cover Corp so there was really no risk.
>>3969dumb thread
vtubers themselves are walking commodities and for those trying 2 escape the grotesque flesh but not in the cool transhumanist way
I don't care, and this is a shit thread.
>>3970shut the fuck up and let people enjoy things goddamn, not everything is a moralistic battle for the soul of mankind
>>3969go to >>>tech or >>>anime
>>3971i agree,those types are like nazbols.the only reason they hate capitalism or consoomerism is they don't find product to consoom and doesn't like/hate the products.not explotation*inefficiency* or environmental-damage.just can't finding product to consoom
>>3973>>3975you see,how much they triggered
>>3976vagina tubers
It's an abhorrent sexual fetish…
>>3976Virtual Youtubers (shorten to vtubers).
They're basically like regular game streamers but they have anime avatars and roleplay as their characters.
Most of them are Japanese, but there's a growing number of English-speaking vtubers as well.
>>4010There's one but she's cucked revisionist socdem
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiIorjuYtMeFIcqlHQmF6Lw/videosHard to expect better from a country so cucked by US though
>>4011Are you escaping reality by posting anonymously instead of attaching your photo and full name to every post?
>>4196That's the whole point of vtubers. They act not like real people just enough to be "anime-like" in their attitude, but not embarassingly childish.
It wouldn't have became as popular if they were mainly acting or not acting at all.
I do not really understand why you chose Kizuna Ai as an example, because she is very obvious with her being just an actor.
>>4242>godo night<can't even do 'le fake wapanese' right
Honestly fuck off with your pointless whining. Either post content you like and 'be the change' you want to see, or stop complaining about every other thread that happens to pop-up
A) Social media is any digital tool that allows users to quickly create and share content with the public. WE ARE SOCIAL MEDIA you fucking twat, we're just anonymous and don't require an account to post
B) This thread was moved from /leftypol/ to the next most appropriate board according to mods - /anime/. It's not even that popular and is only higher in the catalog because it's new.
>>4567See
>>4248This thread was a /leftypol/ thread, so much for your whining about how 'leftypol' will be the only leftist anime board'
>>3969It's pretty much the same as regular streamers. People do feel they are more "authentic", ironically, because since they are "anonomized" by their avatars it feels like they are more honest somehow.
It's bullshit tho. They're just as much playing personas as everyone else online. Some of them are very good entertainers, and quite funny, but most of them are just subpar comedians/actors/singers "enhanced" by some decent character design.
I do like watching some of them, but honestly, it's not really very relevant, they were just lucky because the pandemic raised online viewerships for obvious reasons, which exploded their channels.
>>5010That is true. The expectations are definitely different, which does contribute to less of a "whiplash" when they obviously end up not being the way they act on stream. Still, the fundamental premises are the same, that is, it's all just an (sometimes elaborate) act.
Honestly the puritanism that people declare against this sorta stuff and anime is pointless honestly, commodities are commodities, no matter if they are cars or cute anime girls. I do get really annoyed by all the pseudo-Nechayevs in this board, ready to give up every and all small pleasures for the sake of a hypothetical revolution and to chastise people who aren't """as strong""" as them.
>>5011The one interesting thing about vtubers that supports my theory is that a lot of them just seems like a bunch of perverts. Gawr for example despite the generally more "innocent" persona was doxxed and made like a bunch of horny posts in the past and I think she has been known to "like" twitter posts of lewd pictures of her character.
The other vtubers are much, much more open in their general horniness. Hell the very first popular "vtuber" was IMO project melody a straight up cam whore who is actually liked instead of disdained by people outside the people who jerk off to them.
>>5024Well you can just take a look at
>>5023, since that's who anon was talking about. I mean it's not even subtle.
>>3969/v/tubers are the newest low otaku culture has cultivated. no passion, no engagement, just idiots obsessing over boardroom picked anime avatars talking over video games. They are literally just twitch streamers hiding behind a 2D face to trick retards into thinking they are a cute anime girl.
Actually there is literally no otaku culture involved except complete and utter lies. Take the technology away and there is nothing left except some 3D twat
/v/tubers are built on deception and you deserve to be ridiculed for having no self respect. Lower than people donating money on chaturbate.
>>5026VTubers are like the middle road between "using an avatar and a robot voice" and "using your own face and your own voice".
They're kinda like Rantsonas minus the mad with an audience that usually pumps out really good art.
>>5497I think Melody was more niche rather than actually popular.
She kinda just exists after the "OMG CAMGIRL VTUBER STRIPPER" wave fizzled out, then apparently joined VShoujo with Nyanners and whoever.
>>5882youre retarded
idol industry has been fucked up since the beginning, hololive inc. is just more of the same but with women wearing anime avatars
>>4211>I do not really understand why you chose Kizuna Ai as an example, because she is very obvious with her being just an actor.Yes, that's the point. I liked her exactly because of that. She may do a cute voice but the way she talks makes it much more tolerable than other Vtubers' voices.
I also like Himono for her art tutorials but when I discovered her I had no idea that just using an animated avatar instead of your real face turned you into a "Vtuber" so I didn't consider her one. Apparently I was wrong though.
>>5888despite the name this board isn't just for Japanese animation.
>>6642 Cover takes a % of everything they earn (i've seen /jp/ say it's around 30% and 50% but can't find a legit source)
they get paid a fixed salary+donos after the cut, and youtube also takes a cut of course.
>>6787>>6794I decided to bite the bullet and finally watch vtubahs and holy shit are you right.
Mostly popular ones and everyone else trying to imitate them, I've found a few decent ones that are pretty niche and barely have a following. Those ones feel like actual people.
>>8181Would someone actually stalk a person though?
Like, just leave these weebs alone.
isn't it hilarious how the same retards that shat on 'egirls'/'ethots' and 'simp' culture are now whiteknighting vtubers
and all it took was 2D avatars with anime aesthetics
>>8181it's Perfect Blue all over again
>>8181for hololive to become the real deal it needs its first fan attack
with a knife, for traditions sake
brocialismBrocialism >>8253are they blaming the CCP
also does futaba have a nijisanji board?
>>8182Controversial like what? Hololive members have gotten into controversy multiple times. "Fans" have also done some insane shit.
>>8185>>8212Something similar happened last year after a new hololive member, Mao Aloe, leaked her real identity. She and her ex-boyfrend got harassed and after a short while she quit or was fired.
>>8181I really hope Pekora can avoid this shit. I fucking hate these anti shitheads that harass idols. The fact such a small minority of people can ruin an idol's career is fucked. As much money as the fuckers at Hololive make they should be doing more to protect their talent.
>>8217It sucks. She was probably my favorite and now she has her hands tied in combination with whatever personal issues she is having.
>>8270saying the N word is controversial
doing un-idol shit in general is controversial since the holos are marketed as idols
>>8394>>8396Futakuchi Mana, a metalhead. Mind you, her content is pretty much 65% shitposting on Youtube, and the rest music and just chatting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6B6UYrxFzEStarts at around 45 minutes.
Another reminder that having parasocial relationships turns you even more retarded.
>>8397Based.
>>8422THIS
even if the maoist bitch in this thread
Chinese weebs r also shit
>>8545I also hate both sides. Strange maomao
But Chinese weebs r also shit
>>8607Any hobbie on earth but watching the most mindless of lowbrow shit on earth
Even working in a fursona is more dignifying
>>8628This is fucking based, what the fuck are you Nipcucks crying about?
Somebody has to tell the Japanese about WWII, most of them don't even know what their government did (of which still is an imperialist core nation, btw, and rapidly upping its military budget).
>>8648Ah yes I remember all those journos calling GG an impotent consumer revolt (like all consumer revolts) that doesn't attack the core problem and only want to Consume Better.
Do you use search.php to show up any time someone mentions this thing? Fucking /v/ermin holy shit, also has the gall to pathologize others for not liking his neo-Project Chanology while doing this thing. Same posting style every single time.
>>8655stfu radlib
>his liking of fucking black chicksyou don't?
>>6891They are. That thread existed prior to /vt/'s existence when western vtubers weren't allowed on /jp/. It stayed on /trash/ mainly because people love being able to post porn and go schizo when they want to.
>>9158>Why the fuck do people even watch these boring uguus Ask yourself "who is their core viewerbase" and everything else makes sense.
Anyone else hate the new graphic designers of sites like the fandom.wiki? This obsession of making them formatted like phone systems (despite phones having their own separate system anyway) is fucking annoying.
>As we move into the future of Fandom, we have a new logo, new colors, and new desktop and mobile experiences. Learn more about the future of Fandom here. https://community.fandom.com/wiki/The_Future_of_Fandom How to return the old design:
https://old.reddit.com/r/wikia/comments/nq1emp/how_to_opt_out_of_the_new_fandom_look/V-tubers arrived because people like
https://archive.is/vO8j5 died
>>9400A lot of people are, especially leftists in weeb circles
Somehow people who detested the idea of thot streamers are now simping for vtubers day in day out
>>10790For Context :
Nina Kosaka of Nijisanji EN. There's speculation that she was formally a twitch streamer called Monkeyism due to the similar voice.
* Nina:
https://youtu.be/aMOXkLfVU8k* Monkeyism:
https://youtu.be/sULAImu93HwMonkeyism was known for being left-leaning and open about her opinions including politics. This has angered some folks on 4chinlet's vtuber board /vt/ since they think that Nijisanji a major vtuber agency has let in a leftist who will push her leftist ideas on their English branch of vtubers.
You can see them seething about it here:
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/S11237486 >>10793IDK
>>9401>leftists in weeb circlesthat's a minority of anime viewers
>leftists in weeb circles >>10793I don't watch Twitch, so I don't have a deep understanding about Monkeyism or her views. I first heard about her from /vt/ and they seem to say that she's a 31 year old Ukrainian woman who lives in Canada. This stream of her confirms some of that and indicate that her parents grew up in the Soviet Union:
https://youtu.be/7k_nhO1qHkI?t=764 . She seems to focus on idpol a lot in the stream, such as in a later part when she talks about "brands" not speaking out about BLM enough:
https://youtu.be/7k_nhO1qHkI?t=1337 .
As for Nina Kosaka, in her debut stream she quotes the Soviet-era poet Andrey Dementyev:
https://youtu.be/5FtzYaRfXQc?t=1509 . When I watch Nina's stream, I get the impression of a hint of irony in her voice like she's treating this as a sort of parody of vtubers and corporate branding or something, but maybe that's just me.
This is just from an hour of research so I don't really know. There might be some streams of Monkeyism out there that paint a clearer picture of what her views and background are. If she is leftist, she's most likely never going to outright say it under her current identity because that might get her fired or "graduated" as it's called with vtubers.
In the light of upcoming Japanese general election one of historically strongest Japanese opposition parties - the Japanese Communist Party debuts it's own political vtuber show.
https://youtu.be/prya9nUOr0Ihttps://youtu.be/pIlCGWvtesgFeaturing JCP original characters that are already familiar to those that follow JCP published advertising material and manga.
What are your thoughts about it? Are vtubers now truly mainstream? How it will affect the perception of JCP and Japanese politics in general?
I don’t really care that they’re role playing, taking the role of a capitalist fills me with anger:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VlTUZN3ScY8and weebs joking about colonization in the comments too
>>11178Cutesy/moe anime Chinese sounds absolutely disgusting
>Cool racist virtual girl from chinabruh
>>11250Very important video, thanks for reposting. Truly Vtube is a demonstration of the cruel cyberpunk future that is encroaching on society. .>>>/hobby/7701
The explanation of Parasocial relationships is very important and puts into laymans terms something I've struggled to explain to some people. This issue of Vtube is also applicable to the concept of Virtual Reality (games) such as depictions like SAO or .Hack
Overall excellent video.
>>11250I would appreciate it more if he didn't go autismo mode on the degeneracy,christcuck arguments,because it's just gonna make easy for most people to dismiss him,since like 1/3 of the video is him being mad about masturbation,muh transhumanists,muh degeneration of the west.
Especially since he is actually level headed when he actually talks about the subject.
>>11257yeah sure buddy,but his answer is christ,and NOTHING else,he hasn't said bourgeois a single time,and he praise "anti-cap" China and Russia (lol) only because they deal with his pet peeve,this isn't a prolekult video.
Also I'm not talking about porn (because it's a terrible industry and I'm not defending that),I'm talking about him being butthurt about promiscuity in general and the sexual revolution,the guy litterally gets mad at women for being "forced" to be "career oriented" or because one talks about her period (which yeah it's crass,but it's a major part of a woman life,as somebody who lived with his mom and two sisters,I'm not really disgusted by it anymore,maybe you could make the argument it shouldn't be exposed to the public ?).
>propagating a false imageThe one he picked litterally tells he's a "he" right in the bio (I think it's still bad tho),and he segue on a rant about transexuals being degenerate right after to satisfy his inner spooks.
He's saying a lot of truth,but he's retarded and nobody will really want to bother with what he says if he ends up derailling his points with christian propaganda every two minutes.
(also I'm pretty sure he would seethe if you showed him that pic,seeing the rest of his content,you're putting too much faith in a burger bible thumper)
>>11258>his answer is christ,and NOTHING elseNo it isn't you actual idiot, he's talking about the material and social changes in Western society, you're not listening. Also stop phoneposting, your spacing is horrendous.
>he hasn't said bourgeois a single time He said capitalist and capitalism, not everyone is a pseudo-intellectual trying to throw buzzwords.
>Muh China and Russkies Ok liberal, back to reddit. And yes, they are right to ban this shit.
>I'm talking about him being butthurt about promiscuity in general and the sexual revolution 1) Sexual promiscuity isn't good that isn't the point of communist movements in regards to sexuality
2) He specifically points out the fact that the "sexual revolution" became nothing more than a capitalist co-op to promote their vulgar ideology.
>litterally gets mad at women for being "forced" to be "career oriented" He literally got mad because it's correct, it's not revolutionary to have "More *clap* Female *clap* CEOs *clap* and the system forcing women to labour 9-5 jobs just like men to barely scrap by and support their family, leading to alienation in families.
>because one talks about her period It's crass and private, it's barely different to taking a shit or a piss, I don't care to let others see that or se others doing it. It's not about "muh vymin" but about them not having any self-respect, that's exactly the problem of capitalism - making people have no self-respect for themselves and encouraging them to be figurative (and literal) whores. I'd hardly call that empowering.
>The one he picked litterally tells he's a "he" right in the bio it's 'literally' and the point is that they point out that as an example of people getting either baited by fake voices OR being so lacking for connections and friendship that they don't care if the visage they see is a lie, it's convenient that you keep on about him talking about "muh trans" despite that being a couple seconds at best and only part of his point that also includes middle aged women and fat hairy men ERPing.
>segue on a rant about transexuals being degenerate right after Stop making shit up.
> nobody will really want to bother with what he says if he ends up derailling his points with christian propaganda every two minutes Again stop making shit up, as it's fairly obvious as to what points fit to each other
>I'm pretty sure he would seethe if you showed him that pic Projection.
>>11256Yes, and?
compass is a spook, but the few insight of old gg we have and it was 2014-2016 when that meme was still popular
>>11263You're twisting my words knave; Being open and uncensored about it is vulgar like a hooker. Saying "It's my period" is not the same thing as
A) not bothering to be private about the act itself
B) being 'proud' of it for some damned reason.
Capitalism encourages people to be libertines because if you have no sense of privacy or self-respect, you are the perfect consumer, ready to eat any of the shit they feed you and shit it out to others. And yes I'm being crass because that is just how utterly dehumanizing it truly is.
>>11274Yes your post is a shitty and retarded opinion
>>11282>afraid of a jokeThe fuck are you talking about? Nobody brought up fear, it's about being a vulgar cunt. There is no joke in it, nor is it something to be talked about; shit and piss jokes are already the most lowbrow of kiddie jokes and anything on that level is no more justifiable in a public context - this isn't even the kind of shit most friends would joke about unless you're immature teenagers trying to be edgy and stupid.
>>11329In an adult setting on occasion it's fine, I'd hardly claim to have never done a joke like that, but shit like the graphically disgusting description of "birthing out" a period isn't even a joke and is very low effort.
>>11339 They played the same card for Captain Marvel and Birds of Prey and every other schlock movie, cartoon and comic being produced in recent times, since Ghostbusters, they'll never learn the lesson IMO.
I've been watching some v-tuber stuff lately, and it looks like they have similar dynamics to other game-playing-talking-heads like Asmongold. In both genres you have the main streamer generating many hours of streaming content. Then you have a bunch of orbiter streamers of various tiers that generate content based off of that original content (reaction videos), or collaboration content, and then whole ecosystems of secondary content distribution like fanlation channels, "best of" channels, commentary, etc.
I'd like to take a closer look at what sort of broadcast schedule vtubers actually have, because the impression I get is that these channels are basically content sweatshops. The content is just being mechanically spun out in 4-5 hour streams where the streamer just babbles endlessly to an endlessly babbling chat stream. Aside from their solo streams, there are collabs, "raids", and then however much time is spent outside of their streams with their idol managers coordinating all of the "character" interactions.
Have any v-tubers actually gone on record as to the exact parameters of their job? However many hours a week of content they're obligated to produce, that kind of thing? I have to wonder what sort of industry protections these girls get. For the American vtubers like Nyanners, I guess that would be the Screen Actors Guild? Although I bet there's some bullshit where mo-capping and voicing a CG anime girl doesn't make you a "voice actress" because a corporation didn't pay you to do it.
NO MORE IDOL COMPANIES
IDOL UNIONS NOW
But for real, get the streamers to unionize.
>>11478showing up on Western Streaming platforms*
also, is nobody gonna talk about boot licker occasionally resurfacing in these idols?>>11176
>>10791Lol, to think I completely skipped on nijien 3 despite watching one of them almost every day since lazu debut
kinda grew bored of most of them tbh already I guess I'll check this one out.
>>11816>China<hurr if you say China did something right that must mean you uncritically support them >Cope harder fascist <Ur a china luver<ur fasheestPick one coomerfag
>ou'll never have the touch of a female being an autistic virgin sperg such as urselfProjection is a mental disorder, take meds.
>>11860>ad hominum>make better posts And you? You've brought nothing to the table, replying to an argument from a week back and just bitching about China like a liberal, creaming "fasheest" and "austist" and "virgeen". Touch Grass
>>11883 ???
>>12315Sadly there seems to be no such thing as labor agitation in Japan, so for the major ones (Hololive and Nijisanji) it's a no-go; still, they seem to be in a particularly curious relationship with the company, since though the character is owned by the company (and thus can be used for advertising, etc., without the consent of the streamer) only the streamer can "produce" value in the form of digital content, and if they chose not to work there wouldn't be much the company could do (after all, the character is worth very little without the person behind it — as was made clear with Kizuna Ai).
So in theory labor has a lot of power in such a relationship, but there is no way real-life political and economic issues will ever be discussed in this medium, given the particularly shitty escapist ideology most weebs share.
>>12339I've seen IWW ads for fur suit and fur artist unionization so I don't believe independence is necessarily an impediment to unionization.
>>12354Corps in the US lean really hard on that "we're a family" type of anti-union crap and that's very quickly going down the shit tubes in the light of "oh by 'family' you mean you want us to die for minimum wage."
Imo labor organizing in hololive is theoretically easy considering that the streamers themselves are relied on to produce all the content, and without them the company is fucked.
I'd be really curious to learn what sort of health or retirement plan, or really what sort of actual job security vtubers have contractually. The hours they put in seem pretty crazy so I hope they're getting paid at least. I know I'd want some sort of employment guarantees so I don't get Coco'd.
>>12363>>12392i've come to think of it more like a digital version of kayfabe (as in wrestling) than merely a corporate thing which is completely fake. Granted, it would be naive to think that what the streamers (or the company) display is a "reality" not dictated by the profit motive; but there seems to be a certain degree of "honesty" (if one can call it that much) in the fact that the streamers are very openly playing a persona which is entirely other than themselves.
Of course, as this
>>12394 anon said the corporative side is not as extreme (though youtube and twitch are inevitably involved) as in hololive or nijisanji, for obvious reasons.
>>12395this is true, most designs are utter crap, but every now and then they seem to fit the person quite impressively (though this may be just theatrics)
>>12357>>12363take this clip by botan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baJ8iPEjOLI in which her doctor thinks she works at a black company (japanese slang for horrid working conditions, for those unaware) given her lifestyle, and she cannot even bring herself to deny it; or this clip by iroha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnyWoBqxw0Q in which her doctor says her living conditions are literally inhuman (though this may be more because of the extremely poor proletarian conditions under which she seems to been living for a long time); in these moments (and many other instances, ad nauseam) the reality of the nightmare which is big corporate vtubing is quite clear; though class consciousness is not at all something which happens automatically, we may begin to see more explicitly anti-corporate stances by the streamers. id be remiss in not mentioning
marine, who has literally instructed the other members as to how to use their unions (if applicable) and how to get the big bucks from government unemployment subsidies, in case they need to quit a shitty job) which she learned from her previous, just as nightmarish jobs.
>>12392ironically, i believe vtubers are probably the most radical commodity i have seen that can ever be produced in capitalism despite their manufactured image. Mainly because the human experience of working is the commodity itself. you see all this radical shit sort of produced in hollywood and other media, but the alienation and exploitation of the streamer worker's entire life IS THE PRODUCT. And try as they might, they cant really hide it.
the lack of boundaries as a coveted consumable is also worrying for socialization.
not defending their income, as they definitely make a lot more than twitch streamers and others, but vtuber companies make bank as they take majority of the streamer's profits. With their share, the vtubers still make lots more money, but it technically is still an exploitative relationship.
>>13503so are we just supposed to take their word for it
god i hate the corporatization of vtubers
>>13575her fans were mad that she actually has a bf and the gf experience she was giving was fake. the way they found out was bc a fbi.gov message from another popular streamer popped up during stream w some affectionate words. funnily enough, this all happened on Valentine’s Day when she was releasing some wedding dress rushia merchandise. that is the incident. contract termination was bc of NDA contract breach. she did fuck up by choosing to tell a Japanese equivalent of a keen star. But apparently they were friends before. Clips translated are only a partial segment of the entire Japanese keemstar stream, but it appears to be a just a vague ass sentence that warranted contract breach investigation, although that sentence did prompt an investigation by the company into their chat logs(allegedly). Where they allegedly found more evidence of sharing of information that “damaged” company reputation.
Logically it makes “sense” what the company did. Morally it’s fucked up. When your private life becomes company secrets and also it’s own commodity, not the first time, but it’s just sad. I don’t know the extant of the investigation, but assuming she didn’t use her corporate account to talk shit, it just sets a precedent you won’t ever be able to talk shit about the company due to NDA violation. Even if she did use her corporate account to talk shit, it’s just a reminder that they’re not a “family” and they’re all either coworkers, competition, but always underneath the management hierarchy. Again, it makes “sense” and they could always do that but the power has been exercised and the chain has been yanked back. The alias behind Marine worked for some black companies in the past, and appropriately she was the one who (I heard) was grieving.
Lots of HOLO corporate stans love to say the Fubuki quote along the lines of if “Hololive was a black company I’d leave it”, but honestly isn’t that the perfect alibi?
>>13585I'm pretty sure vtubers were already a shady corporate ploy to begin with
They're literally no different from the japanese idols
>>147731) fox
2) they tried many methods.
>>3388Nothing has been safe from politics. It's the most convenient form of "intellect" while indulging the primal need for drama.
That's all it is, schoolboy gossip for adults.
It explains why there's more grown men whom believe in flat earth and reject actual NASA pictures
>>15116That's good and all
But i really hope your avatar isn't an anime girl
I saw some vtubers unironically try to do the shitty whiny anime girl voice and one even faked a engrish accent
I can not fathom why people would like that
>>15173That explains a lot and why it sounds so unnatural, because voice acting isn't just doing a high pitched voice
But that really doesn't explain when some fake a japanese accent though
Not sure what that accomplishes other than trying really hard to make people think you're japanese
>>16662for context,
as a big fan of this one, she
was an outcast kid that got really obsessed with Japan as a tween, brute forced her way into learning Japanese by talking with Japanese people online, became a big NicoNico streamer, then went to Japan to become a jpop idol where she eventually got fucked over by her manager (all while still underage), then forced to move back to her home country and scrape by since she left to be an j-idol before finishing high school, long story short she developed severe western and Japanese beauty standards mind worms.
>>16679>>16684I find it hard to believe the companies will survive in their current form for much longer; just Rushia being fired already rocked the boat quite a bit, and given that eventually we're gonna see vtubers dying, getting tired and quitting, etc., it seems like a given that the current structure of vtubing (or at least strictly japanese vtubing) is unsustainable. I can't see the market growing that much more anyway; english-speaking vtubers might still have quite a ways to go, but for languages with smaller demographics there is only so many people interested in watching vtubers (and its hard to believe many people will learn a language just to understand what a streamer is speaking). Also, after a certain point (which I believe we have reached already to a certain degree) any new vtuber that debuts just cannibalizes on the audience of established talent. Streaming is a very time-consuming hobby to watch, and there are only so many hours on the day. Hololive already struggles quite a bit with people streaming on the same timeslot, afaik (and Nijisanji just doesn't give a fuck and has a billion vtubers associated with them). Maybe advertising money can prop things up for a while, but stricly speaking money coming from simps is a very limited revenue source.
That being said, random people using the software to stream without having to show their faces or for roleplaying a character is probably going to stay for good. It's relatively easy to setup, cheap, and safer than alternatives, if you can avoid getting doxxed.
>>16708well who knows maybe vtubing as a industry will die and it will become a form of living on the internet
Larping as an anime girl is an old art
>>3441I don't know if this is cope or just ignorance, but straying from the party line will get you socially crucified in China even if you aren't arrested. You only need to slip up once on a current event.
That the company isn't protecting them is a pretty serious issue though.
>>20789was there ever a super crazy hype for it?
anyway check Lottie and Raki from PixelLink
>>23790yeah true
I don't even watch vtubers anyways so meh
>>237821. Don't browse Shitter.
2. Anime is popular with ethnonationalists, including netto uyoku.
3. Who cares about her?
>>23789>why can't we have a imageboard humour vtuber that isn't a rightoid schizoBecome one yourself.
>>23792>she seems very close with Phase Connect tubers and that place is FULL of stone toss retweetersI mean, Stonetoss gets posted even here so I don't think they're Nazis but one girl I saw is the kind of a "lumpen are lazy moochers" Randoid who thinks Bezmenov is based so I can definitely say that Phase Connect is a lolbertarian agency.
>>23795>it's all pedobait or poltard garbage<average anime hater takeFuck you, leather man! You picked the
WRONG BOARD!! >>23798Thighs full of
Mein Kampf pages
>>23954About to mucho texto, may as well use my 4 years of watching them to give some info.
I think vtubers from the big companies (and even small to medium ones) are basically classed as individual contractors (there have been several vtubers from the big companies that have been quickly terminated for breaking NDA or another element of their contract), and more of their earnings come from sponsorships/merch rather than the donations. Some companies might provide a small "salary" along with these. I imagine that vtuber unions might have a chance of forming when the next recession comes and there's a a) less income making it to the vtubers directly and b)less capital to go around into the companies. The closest thing to "organized" vtubers currently is basically vtubers coming together and forming or joining a small case. Vshojo has 2 vtubers that were formerly from the 2 big japanese companies, 1 from the at least less outwardly retarded blue triangle, the other from the now infamous Niji.
>>23954>defend the petit-bourgeois against the haute bourgeoisi have no sympathy for any paid streamer lol, sorry not sorry
<inb4 anyone who works is automatically proletariani only watch indie vtubers that stream sporadically when they feel like it instead of having a schedule that inevitably leads to filler and parasocial bullshit
>>24839>see mention of THAT hitlerite vtuber and their new dramaWho?
>literally reposting a hitler fancam What does this mean?
>is still followed by other vtubers i like ECelebs are lame, example #58391
>>23786Okay, I did some research on her. *inhales* This is complicated.
I see why you'd think she's a Nazi, though she appears more like an irony-poisoned Alex Jones-lite who browses 4chan too much and uses the word "groomer" a lot. I don't know for certain if she's alt-right but she clearly appeals to the alt-lite tinfoil hat-wearing crowd. She appears to not condone racism and she says she wants to move away from her edgelord image and become a "proper idol" like Pekora but also she had said some very edgy jokes in the past, like referencing the Happy Merchant meme or joking that she wants to shoot up Walmart. It obviously attracts /pol/tards to her so whether she's dogwhistling to her audience or genuinely doesn't like that it's all the consequences of her actions regardless.
I honestly don't know what to make of her. Firstly I must admit that I'm biased since Pippa is Tenma's friend/co-worker and I genuinely like Tenma (though even Tenma calls Pippa out sometimes). Secondly, I still have the mindset of "innocent until proven guilty" and just don't see enough evidence for her being alt-right, not to mention that by simply saying a politically incorrect opinion you may attract an alt-right audience because of the political polarization on the Internet. This happened to The Living Philosophy too though he was able to take responsibility for his actions and remove the video that was attracting the alt-right audience which I respect. But in all honesty, form your own opinion on it, I don't want to make excuses for Pippa because she's a "bad influence on my oshi" or whatever, if she's really alt-right, she's alt-right and I'm alt-wrong. Constant irony has ruined the Internet so much that I don't know who's friend or foe anymore. I'm so tired, I just wish to hide in a corner and never interact with people online ever again.
P.S.: If I'm wrong then plz provide more evidence, I'm a complete normie when it comes to VTubers so I may not know everything about Pippa and what she's done, I do not monitor her streams and tweets 24/7. I condone neither the alt-right nor right-wing conspiracy theories and strongly believe in anarchism and support anarcho-communists in their struggle for self-liberation. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk.
>>24939Thank you for your reasonable response, anon.
>As for the shooting up Walmart, its a bit sad people can't say outrageous things in jest online anymore.I understand. That's why I didn't assume she's a Nazi because of this clip, but it did come out forced. Maybe Pippa is a worse comedian than Tenma, although her roasting Agent Kochinski gave me a small chuckle, I admit.
>I hope she isn't a racist at leastSame but that's because I care about Tenma. If Tenma disassociated herself from Pippa and Kirsche I wouldn't even care honestly. I also like Lumi and Lia who are also under the crossfire. It's a shame really, Phase Connect has so many talents who seem like genuinely fun people, and them all getting the Nazi rep because of Pippa's shenanigans is just sad.
>if she isn't she'll probably end up oneI don't think that's how psychology works. But it will be a situation similar to radlibs' safe spaces: she'll say something that goes out of line with her audience's expectations ("Trans rights," "It's okay to be gay," etc.) and then her audience will turn against her and she'll either be forced to issue an apology or get a devastating loss of subscribers. Subscriber loss = profit loss so her boss will have a lot of questions to her in the second scenario. But her issuing an apology will ruin her reputation even further. There's a reason TLP deleted his video on postmodernists, this kind of relationship the audience has with the content creator is parasitic, which is a result of the competitive economy YouTube and Twitch base themselves on. The bigger audience you have, the more you're forced to please it to not lose it.
>>24941 (me)
Okay, I've watched the Walmart clip. It was an "in Minecraft" joke. It's obviously more shocking if you cut out the last part. Not her most awkward joke though, her Happy Merchant reference was more awkward and she looked nervous after saying it. She says something needlessly edgy and then gets nervous about it, that's my impression of her.
>>24941I don't understand why Pippa was so open about being a 4channer. It kinda kills the whole point of anonymity. Why would you want anyone to know what boards you browse anyway? Plus 4chan today is lame as fuck and kinda embarrassing. And these days guilt by association is law and just being a channer is about as bad as being a Nazi in most people's eyes. They have the internet historian/Reddit idea of what a channer is, we're all /b/ and /pol/ and Nazis. She's genuinely entertaining to watch when she isn't forcing this edgy persona and her aggression and attitude make her refreshing but going down the 4chan rabbit hole isn't a good idea. The struggle for Pippa will be preserving her rebellious don't give a fuck attitude without getting associated with the zombies nu-4chan tends to attract or those people being her only audience so she's stuck with them and has to appease them.
What I mean is that, someone says something which offends X group, there's a woke backlash, said person ends up hanging out with alt rightoids because they are the only one who'll comfort and accept them and then they end up converting. I've seen shit like this play out all the time. Its probably what will happen to Pippa eventually. Just look at how badly Bernie Sanders was attacked for his all lives matter comment. Like the Twitter mob didn't think some 80 year old wouldn't understand their stupid online culture and in-jokes and went out of their way to attack him. I hate saying it, but Dave Chappelle is a good example of how accidentally upsetting a group can lead that person to becoming genuinely hostile to that group. I mean, he went from rehashing old transhumanist jokes from the 20 years ago thinking nothing had changed, then he tried to reconcile with the transgenders in an honest but completely foolish manner which made the woke mob hate him even more and now he's turned mildly anti-trans at best. I can see something like that happening to Pippa.
>>24954Alot of the victims of "cancel culture" are often washed up has beens looking for some sort of renewed relevance.
>>5011most anti anime folks are into macho cartoons and shit.
Same for the people who shit on video games while going wild for ballsports television.
>>24957 (me)
that said i've never heard of her or watched her streams so this is all a completely abstract discussion to me, i dunno why i'm even commenting on it
No. She's made explicitly racist comments and jokes before. She is a racist.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ForwardsFromKlandma/comments/xuwjyw/pipkin_pippa_is_a_neonazi_and_heres_why/If she would like to wash her image of racism, either because she cynically doesn't want to repel potential viewers and revenue or because she genuinely isn't a racist anymore (doesn't really matter which), she cannot ignore that she has been publicly bigoted in the past. To do so is to sit on a time bomb. She has to address it.
>What I mean is that, someone says something which offends X group, there's a woke backlash, said person ends up hanging out with alt rightoids because they are the only one who'll comfort and accept them and then they end up converting. I've seen shit like this play out all the time. Its probably what will happen to Pippa eventually. Just look at how badly Bernie Sanders was attacked for his all lives matter comment.No, what you are trying to imply makes no sense. To take offense and be repelled by bigotry is completely natural, especially for those towards whom the bigotry is directed. I feel kinda ridiculous writing out something so obvious. Furthermore the alienated crowd will not reconcile and embrace the bigot (without them first reforming) because it'd make no sense for them to bottle their frustrations for the sake of this one person. Their frustrations being that an influential person grants legitimacy to exclusionary attitudes by casually, callously, and ignorantly commenting/joking about them. Act which could have real material effects in their lives (there many examples of white nationalist and anti lgbt terrorists who have committed massacres and who have admitted to have admitted or been found to have been influenced/emboldened by such rhetoric).
>>24961 (me)
>who have admitted to have admitted or been found to have been influenced/emboldened by such rhetoricwho have admitted to or have been found out to have been influenced/emboldened by such rhetoric*
>>24954>They have the internet historian/Reddit idea of what a channer isThat's because they don't know about Moot selling the site to a nettouyo. They either have fond memories of 2006's 4chan or look at it in its current state. This site is actually populated by 4channers disgruntled by the /bol/ rot so we are the only ones who know about this really.
>her aggression and attitude make her refreshingDiscount Tenma.
>said person ends up hanging out with alt rightoids because they are the only one who'll comfort and accept themIn reality the alt-right can be just as whiny and obnoxious as the woke snowflakes they criticise so I wouldn't call the experience "comforting," Pippa is just changing one mob for another. It's a common misconception that you have to "pick a side" to be successful, this is the reason why right-libertarians have delusions of conservatives being libertarian. In reality this is not the case: look at Zizek or Chapo or any other dirtbag leftist who became popular. Even centrists like Destiny oppose both sides of the culture war. Still popular. But I don't blame people for thinking otherwise, I know how polarized the political discourse is on the Internet nowadays.
>>24961>Japanese co-workerI feel like I know exactly whom they're talking about.
>Happy MerchantAlready discussed before though I haven't seen any mention of the other controversies. I'll have to look into them.
>To take offense and be repelled by bigotry is completely natural, especially for those towards whom the bigotry is directed.I don't think they meant bigotry in this context. It's usually white cishet males like Agent Kochinski who "defend" such groups from "bigotry" without asking whether they're offended or not, ironically invalidating their feelings and agency. The anon has mentioned the Bernie Sanders example to illustrate what they mean. A person saying "All Lives Matter" isn't necessarily racist since the phrase "Black Lives Matter" doesn't necessarily imply that white lives also matter. Which is ironically precisely the same occusation of dogwhistling to racial supremacists as those leveled against those who use the phrase "All Lives Matter." We live in a time where both sides of the culture war think that whatever the other side says is a dogwhistle, this is so incredibly stupid, people cannot have a normal conversation with each other any longer.
>>24954Sad to see that Nazis are still pushing the same whiny bullshit excuses and you keep falling for it
> waah I only wanted to play video games but you forced me to become a Nazi because of woke, I'm totally the victim in this situation!!Why do you fags keep falling for this shit?
>>24961I don't put stock in soundbites, clips, and guilt by association. Who hasn't made a George Floyd joke? Or a joke about the Jews? We do it here all the damn time. There is a difference between edgy racial humor and genuine ideological racism. These days its hard to tell but that's the modern internet for you. Pippa is a yank and therefore probably a racist. I do find it funny when yanks accuse each other of racism. I mean race is everywhere now. We're all more or less saturated in this colonist idea of race which shapes who we are and our place in the world. The idea that racism is a psychological issue, a bunch of bad ideas some people happen to have, is peak liberalism. What if Pippa isn't a Nazi? The consequences of smearing her as a Nazi could end up pushing a person into thinking "fuck it the chinlets are right fuck these people attacking me." I've seen this happen to people before.
To clarify, I'm not saying Pippa is or isn't a Nazi. Unless she comes out endorsing Nazism then this is all speculative. Is she a racist? Idk but I'll tell you as someone who's non-white you kinda take shit from everyone more or less and its not always intentional either. Its not the case that some people are the horrible bad racists and everyone is okay. It doesn't work like that and wherever you go you'll get some level of exclusion or mistreatment.
Last thing, one thing that's really disturbing about online discourse is and unwillingness to forgive and the inability of the person who's done wrong to make amends. Let's say a big V tuber brags about how much she hates uyghurs. Okay, what if they realize that was wrong and hurtful and how do they come back into the fold without a fake YouTuber apology? She'll just end up being demonized and attacked and nobody but rightoids will watch her. If there's no way back to the straight path people will just stick with the far right because that's their audience now.
>To take offense and be repelled by bigotry is completely natural, especially for those towards whom the bigotry is directed. Right but today its very easy to upset people without realizing it. Bernie Sanders didn't know "all lives matter" was rightoid talk and Twitter didn't understand that an 80 year old Jew doesn't get their terminally online culture. But what was disturbing was the way some people took Bernie's comments as a personal attack. Nowadays, almost anything can be construed as an attack. We live in the age of the politics of wounded egos and the oppression Olympics where people like being offended and seek it out for clout. In an age when content is broadcast to the widest possible audience its very easy to upset someone without realizing it. e.g. I often make racially edgy jokes among my black friends and all of them know I'm not a Nazi because we know each other. Similarly, when Dave Chappelle made racially edgy humor decades ago he had a relationship with his audience and they knew he wasn't a racist. In today's world, your not just dealing with your audience but the whole of social media and Twitter and they don't know you and nowadays people are eager to attack.
>>24966>That's because they don't know about Moot selling the site to a nettouyo.Lets face it there were a lot of problems with 4chan before Moot sold it.
>>24970Yeah but they think all imageboards are like 4chan /b/ or /pol/ swimming with Nazis. You can't advertize your little comfy retro anime board without having to deal with the stereotype of "chan culture" as a bunch of subhuman psychopaths who spend all day throwing around naughty words.
>>24970Funny how some people excuse 4chan by saying that Reddit isn't much better. Like it's an excuse to use either of these sites. Many new 4channers are even ex-Redditors from r/TheDonald because their subreddit got banned. Also, Reddit is at least a platform for isolated communities which allows subreddits like r/stupidpol and r/redscarepod to exist, whereas the /pol/ mind virus has infected most of 4chan's boards. You're out of luck finding any genuine leftists here.
>>24973>waah I only wanted to play video games but you forced me to become a Nazi because of woke, I'm totally the victim in this situation!!Just because a person has converted to alt-right as a knee-jerk reaction to idpol doesn't mean they're a "victim."
>>24974>We do it here all the damn time.Where? We only make wholesome jokes about Hiroshima and Uyghurs here.
>The consequences of smearing her as a Nazi could end up pushing a person into thinking "fuck it the chinlets are right fuck these people attacking me." I've seen this happen to people before. Doubt that but this kind of attitude certainly pushes people away.
>>24974>Last thing, one thing that's really disturbing about online discourse is and unwillingness to forgive and the inability of the person who's done wrong to make amends.That's why I'm on the dirtbags' side. I don't like conservatives at all but progressives do have a habit of doing what you just said.
>I often make racially edgy jokes among my black friends and all of them know I'm not a Nazi because we know each other.I don't think racist humour is all that funny.
Hiroshima jokes however…>Lets face it there were a lot of problems with 4chan before Moot sold it.Sure but Nishimura has only made it worse, Moot was at least trying to keep /pol/ a containment board (which was a bad idea in the first place but oh, well).
>>24978>There's a difference between racist jokes and jokes about race and racialismJokes about race still often involve a lot of negative stereotyping though, they are very hard to pull off. The Boondocks is the only example I can remember where making fun of black people worked well. It's made by a black guy who clearly understands the problems in black communities better than your average Caucasian.
>racialismHaven't seen this word used by anyone other than Nazi dogwhistlers. "Race realism" is also a common dogwhistle, though there's nothing inherently racist about thinking that races biologically exist, I happen to believe in that (limited only to the phenotypal differences, not the freaking behavior and IQ like racists like to think).
>>24974Bad publicity gets more ratings than good publicity.
Also, people have always been easily offended.
They used to burn rock n roll records for experimental soundbites.
And lastly, I tire of edgy racist humor as an icebreaker.
I know youre not being offensive but its annoying.
>>24974edgy humor like gore and racism are overused.
I dont agree with the whole "people are too senssitive nowadays".
People used to be thrown in jail or thrown off TV for risque humor.
Rock n roll and gangster rap had their music records burned by indignant conservatives.
Cancel culture is an exaggeration.
>>25896>edgy humor like gore and racism are overused.I like to call it "safe edgy" because it's always just punchdown idpol or stuff that is disturbing but by no means against the rules of the venue.
Like Youtube straight up gives keywords/keyphrases related to rightoid talking points and anything with a detectable human face, wojak or pepe an artificial SEO boost as per agreement with the Heritaige Foundation. It is the new TV and maintaining the illusion of neutrality through careful rightward nudging of the overton window isn't the most profitable option available anymore because everyone will keep using YouTube regardless because they have network effect. Mobile games no one will ever play and thinktanks that have went full-on-and-beyond Qanon have money to piss.
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