These two are supposed to be the Citizen Kane of anime, everyone loves them, yet they are such fucking garbage, literal trash, why are they so fucking bad holy shit.86 posts and 23 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.
And I watched it when I was a kid and even then I HATED it, I had a friend who also watched DBZ and he hated it too, even we who were just two little dumbass kids could recognize how shit this cartoon was. And dont get me started on Super.
Naruto is just as bad if not worse, they somehow contradict their own message every god damn time, and have a little privileged retarded kid as the main character who was born with le epic god powers, and never works a day in his life to achieve anything, its all just handed to him
>>3212>akugou is also a bad rip-off of Sasuke
I take this back and instead replace it with him being more like Vegeta.
All shounen is shit.
>>3877>Saging this opinion in a thread dedicated to it
Fucking why tho, lol
>>3216>It is absolute Kino. And better than OG DB+DBZ combined. DBS is awesome every arc.
I haven't watched it and the last time I watched DBZ was in the early 2000s when its run ended in my shitty latam country. What makes Super so much better than the original?
Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad. However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up. Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newuyghurs to show their faces here.
No, I haven't watched anime since I was a kid
LMAO. Saint Seiya is a fun series though, Personally I'd put it at Naruto>Saint Seiya>Inuyasha>DBZ
"Naruto is a gateway anime" is a gateway pasta of the worst kind. It's a bad meme, a clusterfuck of strawman and exaggerations that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive contrarian faggotry and ELITISM.
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The ease of reposting to try their hardest to look cool, the sense of righteousness, the whole hate circlejerk and everything about this pasta fuels their elitist fantasies, while the pity-party replies, emphasis on "Big 3", and overall preachiness of the pasta make it fit just right with the snobby drives of your average unmarried angry 30 year old and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.
This pasta is basically THE pasta that's posted by the most hated culture known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to tell the poster to fuck off and everyone who likes it, and ensure that this pasta is never ever encouraged.
Naruto is a gateway anime of the best kind. It's a great series, with a story and characterization that is very well done in most aspects, and which bolsters its strengths with great character development and a dark, complicated plot. Your average anon, hopefully, is intelligent enough to see this as the masterpiece it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is very well thought out and deserves recognition and respect.
These very aspects that make the anime so deep and mature make it a discussion ground for scholarly gentlemen who engage in every kind of both online and in the real world. The hard-working characters who continue to stand against all odds, the realistic jutsus and well-designed clothes, the whole and everything about the complex Naruto world provides fuel for much thought, and the deep character backgrounds, their dark past and emphasis on revenge, and overall greatness of the series make it fit just right with the refined taste of your average intellectual and his sense of disappointment towards the world’s dull, un-thought provoking choices in entertainment. Exactly the kind of material that brings the intelligent and well-educated together over critical discussion.
Naruto is basically THE series to attract the highest-tier fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to support the existence of threads discussing the subject, and make sure to give a friendly bump to all Naruto threads to make sure /a/’s elite continue to show their faces here.
>>3200>These two are supposed to be the Citizen Kane of anime
Said no sincere person ever… until you came along
naruto had such a strong character design
Also inb4 "muh gary stu"
Kenshiro is not a gary stu at all, you'd know that if you read the manga. He wasn't even the most talented of his masters students and he was nowhere near the strongest for a long while. He failed all the fucking time and the mad max world he lived in prevailed against him time and again.
Also if you think he was just a power fantasy then you don't actually know how or why he was created in the first place. His series was basically a concerted effort by Jump to counteract the actual power-fantasy, wish fulfillment harem / romcom shit that was basically 90% of successful shonen manga at the time.
isn't Hokuto no Ken just a Mad Max ripoff though
Not really, it has the same aesthetic but the story and characters are vastly different.
It is common knowledge that shounen is the worst genre of anime.
It's the "I hate shonen" fag, been a long time.
>reason 1 generally shitty animation
Motion blur, cgi(especially bad in the Naruto franchise), re used sprite animations, 2 frame mouth speech, shitty vfx over actual animation and constantly re used backgrounds is a consistent and frequent phenomenon in these shows. This gets especially noticeable considering how drawn out most fights and conversations are in these shows as the animation staff spend hours upon hours simply reusing sprite gifs over actually animating what the characters are saying and drawing out ordinary fights for multiple episodes on end that these animation problems and on occasion animation errors(if you know what the guy vs guy sensei fight was in shuppuden you know what I mean) just constantly reveal themselves if your new to either show. I’m not even gonna talk about the art design of these worlds because some of the characters in these shows look so out of place and so fucking goofy in most scenes that it’s like watching an important cutscene in a video game showing your character wearing BDSM gear
>reason 2 these shows are too long
As mentioned earlier these shows and to a larger extent shines in general stretch out these franchises FAR TO FUCKING LONG. In real life Naruto shippuden doesn’t have 500 episodes worth of actual plot it has 100 or even less of you were to force every fight to a maximum of 5 minutes and every major conflict to a maximum of 1 episode and that’s just for fights don’t forget filler, conversations about nothing, flashbacks that never get developed in the story. As for bleach it’s the same tragic story, especially after the first 60 episodes when the filler and obvious stretching out of the plot starts getting really noticeable because the writer literally didn’t anticipate the show to last as long as it did nor be as long as it was before it got axed. I’ll give one peace a break for being as long as it is though because the writer actually has one really massive fucking world he built over decades unlike *ahem* dragon ball.
>reason 3 everything important is told through sound and not through animation
2d animation is medium that exists for expressing ideas that can’t be communicated with words. Genndy does communication with animation amazingly well in his shows like samurai jack and primal where the pacing makes sense for each episode and you get a sense of what’s going on without needing the characters ranting for dozens of minutes straight about whatever new tactics they’re thinking of. Bleach and Naruto spend so many fucking minutes explaining why you should give a shit about whatever the fuck the characters are feeling or what their new chakra soul power ultra who cares that it becomes mind numbing to the point where it feels like the studios behind these shows think their audience is literally too fucking stupid to be able to understand what’s going on with their own eyes. I liked sasori a lot, I liked sai, I liked yoruichi, but you know what I didn’t like, having some pink haired bitch, or a fucking ginger explaining their pasts to me when I could’ve had a solid episode or at least a few minutes away from the main characters communicating what these characters histories were and why their in the positions they’re all without needing a word spoken
<and finally the most important reason they treat the workers like garbage
Remember what I said about the animation of these shows being shit? I’ll talk more about that but think of this. If a frame of animation takes 30 seconds to produce and you need 24 frames per second than every minute of footage takes 43200 seconds to produce or 12 hours for a single animator under the assumption said animator is drawing 24 frames for every second, in real life you don’t do this because more frames don’t equate to smoother or even animation that better communicates ideas professionals have said this numerous times, this is especially true when producing episodes lasting for dozens of minutes with animation teams consisting of dozens working day in and out to produce what you watch, so what’s the deal? If animation is no where near as tricky nor expensive as it may appear why does it all look like shit you might ask dear reader.
Well the problem is how these shows are fundamentally being made. Imagine a room filled with dozens of isolated artists that are likely middle aged on drugs and exhausted all of the time that are under pressure to work on multiple different projects under strict deadlines that are then told that all of their work must be produced in a certain matter that minimizes production costs as much as possible, your seeing where this is going right? The problem isn’t that these shows can’t be good but rather the conditions these shows were made under prevent them from ever being above average for most of their run time, don’t forget evangelion 1995 was made on a limited budget and still has visibly better animation and 0 cgi compared to the rebuilds made by professional studios simply because the animators were allowed to do what they wanted, same goes for mob psycho which might aswell be the holy grail of sakuga animation. Naruto and bleach aren’t poorly produced animes because the staff behind it lacks skill and resources far from it but because they’re produced with profits in mind away from quality much like most mainstream animation made in states allied to NATO.
Not going to talk about Bleach since I didn't really care for that (though this isn't accurate to it either), just Naruto>shitty animation<Examples: Shit that nearly never happens >shitty vfx over actual animation<Look at dat CGI hurr, so vut if its a TV series on limited budget from 1999?
Not to mention that Naruto's animation and art style are considered damn good for most of its run, especially in terms of fights and the hiding of CGI. >on occasion animation errors<Oh look a brief small animation error of one of hundreds of small-fight and is delegated to the side-animators, that make it bad!!! >reusing sprite gifs
The actual fuck are you talking about? Stop using phrases you don't understand. >drawing out ordinary fights for multiple episodes on end
LMAO Bleach maybe, but you're conveniently ignoring that all fights have at least 2-5 minutes of interaction, and unlike One Piss don't have characters stand and stare at each other for minutes on end. >the art design of these worlds because some of the characters in these shows look so out of place and so fucking goofy in most scenes that it’s like watching an important cutscene in a video game showing your character wearing BDSM gear
Nice exaggeration. I'm going to assume you're mostly talking about Bleach because they do have nutty designs, but even then you're making a mountain out of a molehill. If they'd been too conservative you'd be bitching about sameface.
TL;DR: You look at too many meme videos on "muh shonen" and other garbage.
Animes, mangas, doujinshis, mangakas, etc.
>>12194>stretch out these franchises FAR TO FUCKING LONG
True, but not to the extent you're making it out to be, faggot. >In real life Naruto shippuden doesn’t have 500 episodes worth of actual plot it has 100 or even less of you were to force every fight to a maximum of 5 minutes and every major conflict to a maximum of 1 episode<Hurr if you just cut out all the interactions and material that fleshes out the anime you can make it really short
I'm not even talking about faggots like you bitching about "rushing things" if the show did squeeze everything into "muh 5 minutes and 1 episode". Funny that this exact shit has made most Shonen anime, especially battle shonen into bland, boring crap that resolves problems and themes in a couple episodes making shit meaningless and boring. >Muh filler memes
Get over yourself. People only bitched about filler because they didn't like that it didn't stick to the manga, nevermind that most filler occurred in the lulls of important arcs. (Bleach is worse in that regard). Many fillers are fairly good in Naruto excluding some single-episodes that are mostly inoffensive. >conversations about nothing
where? That's a problem of Slice of Life Moeshit. Yes Shonen anime can have characters state the obvious at times… because it's mostly a direct interpretation of the manga that doesn't have animated segments and has to
sometimes use exposition to carry across the internal thoughts of characters. >flashbacks that never get developed in the story
>>12194>Genndy does communication with animation
non-sequitur and I like that you ignore Genndy having jut as much exposition as any shonen. You can have both, idiot. Bleach does have this issue though, as half the cast is constantly making stoic "cool" faces in nearly every interaction.>haracters ranting for dozens of minutes straight about whatever new tactics they’re thinking of.
Yeah ok you're demonstrating that you haven't watched the show. The longest explanation of tactics I can recall in Naruto takes less than 5 minutes and is AFTER the tactics/plan is demonstrated in full. >so many fucking minutes explaining why you should give a shit about whatever the fuck the characters are feeling
LMAO are you retarded? Or do you no comprehend that anime is a visual-audio media, not pure visual, and that real life people… talk, people don't just rely on facial expressions to communicate >what their new chakra soul power ultra
They don't explain that though, you retard, it's literally the opposite of that since their increase in power is demonstrated and then internal or external exposition by characters enunciate and clarifies what happens, (pic 2 related). >having some pink haired bitch explaining their pasts to me
LMAO Sakura barely ever talks about her past or gets long moments at all. What are you on, must be some good dope if those are your delusions.>all without needing a word spoken
Yeah no, You cannot tell a story like Gaara's pain and suffering and not have a word spoken, Moreover in Naruto it is literally a PLOT POINT that characters that connect can understand one another and not use words, but for the audience they speak in their minds, ergo the infamous "Narutoooo" "Sasukeeee" meme.
TL;DR: screaming "Muh words" and again massively exaggerating is pathetic and demonstrates your autism.
Lolis and lolicons.
>>12194>they treat the workers like garbage<Did ya know in Japan, a capitalist country that is famous for karoshi and horrifically overstrict and toxic work culture in every single industry and job, also abuses animators!?
Yeah, no shit they treat laborers like trash, they treat most of the population like that, same in Korea and China, it's part of a deeply ingrained workaholic culture in Far-East Asia. There is an entire THREAD dedicated to this topic IN DEPTH if you bothered to check catalog >>617
Disregarding this, the statement is also an utter nonsequitur as a criticism of shonen in general and Naruto in particular, if you didn't notice. I'd also point out that this overwork impacts the creators of the manga just as it does their underlings, thus Oda is sick all the time, Yamaguchi becoming ill and dying, and Hunter x Hunter and Bleach being on indefinite hiatus until recently. https://archive.is/WIVcm
More like a mix of both - expanded more in the BNHA thread
is one of those people who go to the same Ghibli movie screenings 500 times.
Thisis why I say that all good TV/book series/music bands never last more than ten years.
Because in ten years, your artistic sensibikities are changing. What may have worked a few season ago wouldnt be so epic is tried again.
>>3216>better than OG DB+DBZ combined. DBS is awesome every arc.
LMAO nice bait lol
The combination of it beeing over the top and taking itself to serious does make it pretty funny >I shadows boxxed to hard that i created a tulpa of a 2m tall praying mantis >I trained for 10 years and know my muscals are so big that bullets cant hurt me no more
I liked reading it ironically,wouldn't waste my time watching the CGI mess that's the animated version.
Yeah, like more meme anime, its only good in the memes>>21083 >this
>>3200>These two are supposed to be the Citizen Kane of anime
Since fucking when
You know that anime's more than battle shonen right
is one of those dudes who's basically the otaku equivalent of an MCU simp who gets mad at filmbros for existing
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