No.430
I'm not liking the glacial pacing of character development recently.
No.431
>>429I was watching pretty intently,
but never did watch the last 8-10? episodes of le school festival arc.
Stuff was already feeling kind of slow, but that gave me the impression of an outright roadblock.
Maybe I'll pick it up again later.
No.433
>>432She is so hot yet so hard to jerk off to
>>431The school festival arc is beyond retarded compared t what came before but the last 1 or two EPs of the season are good (because it's the stattt of a new arc)
>>430It has chara Ter development? Everyone is al.ost exactly the same as before personality wise.
No.434
Is the school festival shit even in the manga? Like for more than one or two chapters? Because I can't imagine anyone actually wanting to read about that shit.
No.435
>>429don't diss gentle
he is a comrade
he only attacked the store because the owner was selling expire yogurt and shit
>>433you have so much bad taste
No.436
>>434I LIKED IT YOUR BASTARDS
IT WAS CUTE
THE SONG WAS AWESOME
No.438
>>430The only character that actually developed significantly was Endeavor.
No.439
>>429Gentle was my favorite villain in the series and the whole school festival thing wasn't as cringey as it could have been.
That said, I'm worried as hell about the many potential downhill slopes the show could go on right now. Midoriya feels like he's peaked as a character, power creep seems to be setting in, etc
Shit, this is why I don't watch shonen. I just know I'll be disappointed again.
No.440
>>436Jirou is cute but the attempt to extract drama out of "I want to be a musician AND a hero" is so dumb. For some reason characters like this are always better before the author actually gives them attention, the frog girl was the same way.
The whole arc just felt weird and awkward because it took something completely frivolous and tried to give it the same weight as the more serious parts of the series instead of just having a few relaxed episodes that could have been used for a little character development and worldbuilding in addition to winding down from the previous arc.
No.441
>>440It's like The Gems except without the razzy 80s themes
No.1252
>>429>Boku no hero academiaftfy
No.1984
Ya know I find it really strange that Boku no Hero Academia started lmost half a decade ago and so much has changed since then. There are parts of it I love and parts I hate and parts that bore me.
As a side note why isn't the japanese name Boku no Hero Gakuen? Did the author just want to use Academia in the title?
No.1985
Stain was great.
Gentle was a dumb but wholesome arc.
Redestro is ironic as fuck given capitalism's pressure
No.2368
>>429not really a good anime tbh
No.2372
>>2368I mean it's a fucking fighting shonen so it's inherently trashy, I just watch it because it's feelgood and usually doesn't take a hundred episodes to get to the point. Plus the animation is pretty cash.
No.2406
>>2372Fair enough, theres nothing wrong with watching trash as long as you enjoy it and don't delude yourself about its nature.
No.3289
>>>/hobby/16549
Stain related
No.3363
Someone catch me up to whats going on right now in the manga, I've stopped watching and am curious of anyone's takes.
No.3366
>>3363cringey hand guy arc
hero vs villain civil war
No.3383
>>3366Ok, so I missed little then.
No.3453
>>3383The current arc is actually pretty eventful for once (although it might end with everything being magically fixed or ignored, who knows) and it feels like Horikoshi is trying to make up for his recent mistakes even if I don't think he's managed to recapture the old charm, it's worth checking out
No.3455
>>3453I'll give it a try later, for the trips. The BnHA movie was fun power wank so you might be right.
No.3540
>>440i love the kawaii backstory they gave her about struggling to fulfill her parents dreams and being like them but also wanting to be herself
No.3541
>>3538Based. Make some of mommy shimura too
No.3545
You sick fucks. I found a review on youtube: Boku no Hero is literal child pornography.
No.3546
>>3545 Ok fag, keep whining about "muh ecelebs"
No.4698
>>4694His only appeal in my opinion is edginess.
No.4704
>>4694>Dabi being Touya was obviousNo shit, that was being predicted by fans a year ago LOL
No.4705
>MHA
No.4710
This is definitely the most refreshing shounen I've enjoyed in a while. It seems to me like the story and Midoriya have stopped progressing since the hideout raid arc however.
No.4747
>>4743I wonder if they'll ever return to touch on the fact that the powerless are considered inferior untermensch,
or if it's all ok now since midoriya was a just lucky boy who got rewarded for being so fanatic.
Is the author not setting any of this up to criticize the commercialization of heroism shit?
Do they really think this world is nice just because people have powers?
The world seems built so perfectly to be primed for the commentary to come in and hit hard,
but it really doesn't seem like it actually wants to criticize like The Boys or Tiger & Bunny (if I'm remembering its plot correctly) do.
No.4750
>>4747Essentially yes, every time the author comes close to insightful commentary about the flaws of such a system they undermine it with "muh cool heroes are good so it's all fine!"
>Tiger & BunnyYes, finally someone else recognizes it as well.
No.4770
>>4747>>4750Feel like he never made up his mind on whether he wanted it to be a fun escapist romp or a more realistic and critical take on superheroes. The half-assed take on some of these ideas doesn't scan.
You can't clearly portray your protagonists as child soldiers in a corrupt system while also saying "it's okay, just enjoy them punching the bad guys". You can't show your villains as being mostly born from social failings but then also portray no positive attempts to change the system and expect the heroes' victories to ring as triumphant. You can't make one of your main heroes essentially a racist but then expect us to forget it completely because of how cool and strong he is. You can't portray the typical shonen "be the number one!" attitude as being destructive but then also have it be the whole core of the story. And so on.
It could be REALLY interesting if MHA turned into a story about the kids trying to fix a blatantly broken society. Not even because it'd be the "leftist" way to do it, but because it would be a way to handle all these nuances with actual impact and meaning instead of just standard signifiers of depth. But it ain't happening.
No.4772
Another thing to point out is that in the story they mention that the dvent of quirks caused social collapse and that "without quirks they'd be traveling space long ago". Except that's inane due to the sheer scope of abilities like gravity manipulation and other quirks that make things like scarcity of products a non-factor.
No.4787
>>4772Yeah, if I recall correctly, a whole century's meant to've passed since the advent of quirks.
And this caused mass insurrection on a global scale, which the advent of superpowers realistically should do.
But then with that fundamental correct setup, the author gets everything else so wrong.
After a whole century, with quirks having finally proliferated through most of the world's population, the world just fucking returns to the exact same Liberal status quo of a century ago.
The same status quo which couldn't handle the fucking quirks originally!
The same status quo whose faults constantly show, and of course causes the problems of the series that, as previously remarked, are never actually resolved.
Even the same modern status quo issue of Japan's shrinking population is present in a supposedly totally changed world,
as I seem to recall Gran Torino mentioning it to Midoriya when he goes out to learn from him
So the very foundational ideas of this fictional world suffer from the same issues as every plot in it.
A set up that is so perfect for commentary, that it's as if it's been so totally squandered intentionally.
No.5192
BnHA has really gotten brutal as things go on, I think they're falling into that pit of "guro" that a lot of anime trying to be deep goes into. It makes sense, however the problem is that it clashes horribly with the beginning. I feel like the story has veered off into this direction of Hero Faction vs Villain Faction and it's no longer making sense. Quirks are being handed out like fucking candy to every other villain etc. etc. If this is done right it's an interesting idea, as the Nomu are a horrific game changer for the world of quirks and Izuku's awakening of different quirks is an interesting arc for him to go through - awakening new powers in these times of change, to match and far surpass All Might.
As a sidenote Rumi is honestly an awesome hero, independent as all hell and a fighter to the last. Self built strength and skill paired with a unique animal ability and unwavering will
https://myheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/Rumi_Usagiyama No.5194
>>5192To add, I feel like BnHA's grim new progression - while an interesting exploration of the realities of heroism - is really depressing at times.
No.5195
Fuck niggers fuck trannies fuck jews fuck western leftist propaganda and fuck you bitches.
No.5201
>>5199>ThisFucking basically. This whole villains vs Heroes shit is interesting and all but something feels off, mostly because despite the grim shit, it has a strange lack of resolution… which is why Tiger & Bunny are more interesting IMO.
No.5308
>>5199Eri ruined the show just like Alluka did for hxh smfh
No.5309
>>5308Too bad really, nice girl and all.
No.5320
>>5195What anime/videogame/movie/cartoon triggered you this time retardanon?
No.7174
I love all-might so much
I feel so warm and inspired whenever he makes an entry.
"Everything is fine. Why? Because I am here" is seriously the most badass superhero line
I want to be that someday
No.7177
>>7175>>7176In what hellish cynical worlds do you people live in?
I'm being genuine and I don't have autism.
All-might is like the main reason I follow this show/manga. I think he's awesome despite being a massive americaboo.
No.7178
>>7177Channer types are prone to oversocialization (despite never socializing) and falling for cringe culture.
No.7185
>>7174he's such a caricature I can't take him seriously at all
No.7227
>>433>She is so hot yet so hard to jerk off towtf i feel the same
No.8763
>Muh Lady Nagant arc
God what shitshow, the Paramount war was already edgy as fuck, but this was just retarded.
The depiction is fucking shit. It's the same generic "breaking down of superhero society" that Marvel and DC have been doing since the 90s. It's always hamfisted and dogmatic and it's always ignorant of real life. It's a pathetic caricature of what real tyranny and real ethical issues of society entail. Like Stain, Lady Nagant's words are vague despairing's without an actual criticism, except Stain was intentionally so, he was a small-time vigilante, Nagant was intrinsically aware of the ins and outs of the government and what it would take to change the system away from it's corruption. But they can't have that because that would mean revolutionary themes in this right-wing "not-everyone-is-born-equal" power fantasy, so instead we get stale anarchist statements: It's the "We Live in a Society" but stupider because unlike something like Brave New World or Jin Roh or Patlabor, there is nothing behind it except ideological platitudes. It's no different to people making political edits for anime grills.
From the POV of a person who lives in a markedly worse regime and who likely knows first-hand how fucked up they can be enforcing their tyranny, the depiction of BnHA is ignorant. Japan, the USA, the UK, their depictions of such problems today are naiive and retarded. Reading Nagant's rant to Deku is further evidence of Hori's ignorance.
No.8773
>>440why can't she be a musician that is also a hero? they've got heroes that are also teachers
what's the deal
No.8791
>>7227So do I
I just can't look at her without thinking of blood, and that turns me off immediately
No.8896
>>8892The just gave her a lame filler episode. The anime has been pretty low on filler so far, I hope this isn't the start of a trend.
No.8926
I'm honestly not sure why people like this show so much. It just feels like it attempts to make an action show a slice of life so it has a rediculiusly slow pacing of plot and character development where very little happens every episode. Even when there is a likable character they barely get screen time.
No.8928
>>8926It does now but it didn't used to have such slow character development.
No.8929
>>8926I can't speak for most people but /a/ seems to like it because of their obsession with Deku/Katsuki* yaoi and the increasingly edgy plot direction of the past year.
Literally the most interesting characters are on the side. Deku was initially a favorite, but over time I've come to be more apathetic towards his character.
*Midoriya and Bakugo's relationship in a nutshell:
Midoriya: Hey Kacchan, your shoelaces ar-
>Bakugo: What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you fucking shithead? I’ll have you fucking know I graduated top of my class in the middle school, and I’ve been fucking involved in numerous fucking villain raids, and I have fucking confirmed 300 fucking kills. I am fucking trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top fucking hero in the entire fucking UA. You are nothing to me but just another fucking target. I will fucking wipe you the fuck out with fucking explosion the likes of which has never been fucking seen before on this fucking Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can fucking get away with saying that shit to fucking me? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of fanboys across the UA and your quirk is being traced right now so you better prepare for the fucking storm, shithead. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little fucking thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my fucking bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the howitzer impact and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little fucking shithead. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, Deku.Midoriya: You're such a good person, please let me suck your dick
No.9142
>>8926I honestly prefer characters like Mezo Shoji and Class 1-B
https://myheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/Class_1-B They're much more interesting and varied IMO.
No.9570
Himiko Toga is basically a generic Harley Quinn-type villain-girl, I bet she'll even have a love interest in Shigaraki after a time-skip
No.9607
I know this is a ded thread on a mostly ded board but i feel like making an effort post.
>The Premise / setting / worldbuilding.
As literally thousands of posts on plebbit at this point has pointed out the society of MHA is somewhat dystopian. Most cultural activities have either been replaced with (literal) hero worship or have been infested by it in some way. and being a 'hero' in itself has been reduced to being a private cop on the governments payroll (As it's show in one chapter when their not doing this hero's also spend all day advertising products and selling merch like an athlete or a WWE wrestler).
People are literally 'ranked' arbitrarily and treated superior and / or inferior to the people below and above them respectively.
The majority of young people (Obviously as the story shows even those without superpowers) #1 career choice is to become private jerkops for hire. anything else is seen as FAILURE AND WORTHLESSNESS. And the cultural mindset is if you dont even TRY to be a hero you are WORTHLESS
And since the idea of being a fucking irl superhero has by this point in the shows universe been reciprocated back into capitalism the majority of hero's seem to treat it like a wageslave if their less powerful or famous or as a capitalist enterprise that they own if they are wealthier.
Society seems culturally obsessed with violence and death etc
>The issues with how the text tries to address this
<1. The Antagonists critiques of society either miss the mark or are just so generically evil that the reader finds NO CHOICE but to continue supporting the society in opposition to them.
Stain get's the closest with actually understanding the issue with society but fails to grasp the fact that hero's aren't 'corrupt' and 'fake' for no reason but were basically destined to end up like that due to that process of capitalist reciprocation. Stain's literal comic book / marvel movie concept of a 'superhero' dissolves the second that ideal has a chance to come in contact with material reality and has to cope with the fact it doesn't exist in the vacuum of a book or the screen.
Stain still fucks this up with his propaganda of the deed style view on how to change this. He's the basically the equivalent of going around shooting random cops because you dont like police being a tool of porkies
Everyone else's motivations are just plain awful basically just wanting a version of 'anarchism' that resembles the purge films with "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY GANG WEED BOTTOM TEXT" Sprinkled all over it.
<2. "BAD GUY JUST THINKS DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE HIS DADDY WAS MEAN TO HIM" Repeat ad-Infinium.
The same old liberal ideological cliché of assuming that anyone with views that dont strictly conform to 'Muh window' are mentally ill or smugly saying "Huh who hurt you?"
Dabi/Touya is evil because his daddy was mean to him, Shiggy is evil because his daddy was mean to him, Toga is evil because everyone was mean to them because their basically a fucking vampire.
People can hold beliefs without those beliefs being related to some spooked trauma theory psychoanalysis of them
No.9608
>>9607Oh and also
>3. The lack of any non-retarded villain or movement seeking to change the current state of things gives the reader the view that the only option is either status quo or horrific violence and propaganda of the deed. Which fits up oddly well with a fascist view on reality.Because there is not a single person in this universe apparently who can calmly comment on how fucked up this all is and offer a material solution it sends the message of.
"YOU DONT LIKE THE WORLD????!!!???? RAGE AGAINST IT!!!!!"
It ironically sends the message that the ONLY way to enact change is through violence or plunging society in chaos.
No.9609
>>9608>>9607Good posts m8, and totally agree, I sort of talked about that earlier in the thread.
No.9617
>>429why is shounen trash?
No.9619
>>9617>No character development/bland characters>Non-stop fights >Random power-ups >Boring story >Bad plot development Not all shounens but most of them(Naruto, One Piece, AoT, etc.)
No.9620
>>9619Whenever I see someone write this shit and then proceed to list every famous shonen anime, (ironically here forgetting DBZ which is the only one this truly fully applies to) I know you haven't watched ANY of these shows.
>No character development/Bland<Naruto I'm sorry what? The only characters who didn't get good development was Hinata and other background characters (which is why NaruHina is still controversial). Even Sakura had character development. She wasn't necessarily a great character but she still developed. Naruto develops over the series as well, and the multifaceted themes and ideas formed a good
>Random power ups<Naruto Naruto's fox power is well established and he has to train and train and train more to improve himself and even somewhat use any powerups. Sasuke literally has hax eyes and it's not exactly common, everyone else takes a lot of effort to not be bush-league. The only time we depart from this is with the 4th war arc, primarily in regards to Madara, who was walking bullshit, but that made him memeworthy and it was a tiny portion of the overall story. The only other asspulled power was the Asura/Indra reincarnation power shit, but that again is a tiny portion of the story.
>Boring Story<Naruto Besides this being subjective, Naruto is not a single story but a multifaceted one - a story of a boy trying to gain acknowledgement and over his struggles gaining it. It is a story of two friends, one trying to save the other from the darkness, etc. It's very interesting because between the goal of the main character and the beginning is a long road full of adventure, drama, strife and struggle.
>Bad Plot development<Naruto Again, excluding some of the dumb MOMENTS, overall Naruto's plot is fairly solid and makes sense, Part I especially had a very dynamic plot that had arcs roll into each other fairly smoothly but not rushed. Part II also was pretty well balanced, hampered only in some parts because as stories grow longer they hyperextend, but even then I struggle to find canon parts that are blatantly awful, unlike DBZ or HxH, which feel like the arcs are extremely partitioned.
One Piece, yeah you can make an argument for the Post Timeskip because it caricaturized the aspects that made One Piece fun. Character development is low, but that's because there isn't a point to that, it's an adventure quest story. Each character is unique and different and the adventures are ever changing.
AoT isn't any of those things at all, I highly dislike the show for being edgy and having right-wing shit and cucked characters but none of that applies to your "criteria".
No.9621
>>9620>>9619>>9617Take this to the Naruto DBZ (shonen) h8 thread
No.10064
>>9620 Accidentally deleted part of my post
>multifaceted themes and ideas formed a good**[a good] story and progressing set of interwoven themes.
Also since I started, the hax eyes meme is just that, a meme, it has some basis but people sorta ignore that even a 3-tomoe sharingan is rare in the Uchiha, so a couple people out of hundreds having this hax is pretty acceptable compared to a lot of modern stuff.
No.10065
>>9608>It ironically sends the message that the ONLY way to enact change is through violence or plunging society in chaosLegend of Korra sort of does the same thing actually (see
>>>/hobby/2888 ) it's a general liberal mindset.
No.10395
>>9607>>9608>>8763As of Chapter 325 Somehow in a single year, society has completely broken down and failed to quell the generic anarchist villains thaat maraud ordinary people. It could make sense if the villains are some people's movement (as is attempted to be portrayed) but the specific emphasis on CIVILIAN bystanders just makes them fringe radical terrorists. Qhat attempts to portray a triumph of good over evil just comes off as generic populism that pretends to criticize the status quo, but also portrays it as good because good individuals are a part of it.
The original story that as
>>9685 put it, could only last 2 seasons using their basic hero vs villain plot, has had to make up all sorts of "nuance" that did not have set-up or exist at the start, unlike One Punch Man or Tiger and Bunny. The only good thing is the adults not simply losing without consequence, and Aizawa's injuries are a good example.
So overall this dramatic current story arc rings hollow to me even if some aspects (such as Izuku utilizing his quirks strategically again and not just hulk-smashing) are likeaable.
https://archive.ph/rlboA No.10542
>>10395>Last quirk of prior One-For-All users is yet to bee revealed >final fight coming up <Deku is still not strong enough It's gonna get revealed at the last moment to save Deku and turn the fight around in bullshit manner, yet nobody is going to wonder how some kid fresh out of High School has multiple quirks that other prominent DEAD heroes had in the past. Also in the past fights over the previous 2 arcs Deku has basically speed-run the reveal of his other quirk abilities as Deus Ex Machinas to save UA Class 1A from getting murked at the last moment, repeatedly. Also am I the only one that is kind of annoyed that the abilities that Naru- I mean Deku is getting aren't chronological (as in following the path of first user to second to third etc.)?
I'm gonna guess his last quirk is gonna be time-related.
Also this "All-For-One started off as good and got corrupted by power is a shifty retcon.
No.10543
>>10542Also speaking of his multiple quirks
Fa-Jin and One-For-All are functionally nearly the same shit.
>This Quirk [Fa-Jin] allows the user to build up kinetic energy by repeating regular motions and store it for later use. When the user chooses to release the energy, they gain an explosive burst of speed and power. <One For All also allows the user to stockpile an enormous amount of raw power, allowing them to significantly enhance all of their physical abilities to a superhuman level. This results in unbelievable levels of strength, speed, agility, and durability. https://archive.ph/zMd6rhttps://archive.ph/iMUQZAlso Spear-Like-Bones is basically Kimimaro's power from Naruto.
No.10619
>he actually reads/watches this blatant jojo ripoff
No.10620
>>10619How is it a JoJo ripoff?
No.10622
>>10621Ok, it might've been inspired by that stand, but that's not the same thing as a ripoff. And if we're talking about direct inspirations, JoJo is guilty of that too.
No.10763
>>9142Froppy is cool too. The asspulled quirks of
>>10542 are kinda inane - (though given that sheer strength/power < broken quirk(s) like those of the villain league top members, this is necessary* for the protag to last against the final big bad) - but I liked pic 1 related as an example of moments of Deku using the things he learned from observing his classmates to replicate handy moves and so using his best quality; an analytical mind, which sort of got back-shelved for some time.
*You could make the argument that the UA Festival that had him break Shinso's control and foreshadowing the other users' consciousness' - those actually remind me a bit of the soul fragments of prior users in DxD's Sacred Gear's (pic 2 related).
However, while soul fragments in All-For-One are a good idea, I think that ultimately Deku - to truly cement his ideology of being a Hero that supports and is supported by others - should have not gotten any extra quirks but instead learned to synergize with his classmates (as they did in the Bakugou Rescue) and so prove the point being attempted in Chapter 325 - teamwork and unity of working together can beat a singular great foe and uniting people against a great threat can bring peace and justice.
No.10784
More like Bourgeois: No Hero amirite
No.11009
>Girl MHA fans on twitter: omg why is Momo so sexualized!? She's a teen!
>Also Girl MHA fans on twitter: omg Step on me daddy Todoroki
Truth
No.11016
>>11009there's nothing wrong with sexualizing teens
No.11020
>>10860>The implication that the only way forward is to learn from each other to bring out your best synergyyeah,until the author get bored and drop 90% of the characters to make him battle by himself.
No.11396
Read MHA Vigilantes.
No.11398
Just started watching Boku No Hero, it's okay but it would be muvh better if the show was a slice of life about how ordinary working people who have superpowers use them in the workplace. It doesn't do nearly enough with its setting and goes for safe cape stuff.
No.11405
>>11398> it would be muvh better if the show was a slice of life about how ordinary working people who have superpowers use them in the workplace. THIS, A character like Cementoss is literally capable of creating an enormous amount of building materials easily.
>>11396It is a better series for sure.
No.12050
If im being totally honest.
Belly boi being the traitor is a bit of a…lame…choice. Like i more expected him to be the red-herring for the real imposter and not for literally the entire traitor bullshit to be revealed, Explained away and then everyone has a crying make up hug in three chapters
No.12051
>>12050The more I read spoilers the more I'm glad I dropped this show right after the war arc lmao. I just knew it was going to go downhill really fast
No.12054
>>12050Kaminari should have been the secret traitor like everyone theorized TBH and the invisible girl'd be a better inside-man for infiltration given her LITERAL invisibility.
No.12071
What a cliff this story fell off.
All that development. Over this series that lasted years.
And the artist just flushes it down the toilet for the most cliché as possible plot points he can possibly use and the most cliché ending arc you can think of because he ADD / Bored / rage quit making his own comic.
All that potential. Down the toilet. DOWN THE FUCKING TOILET.
No.12078
oh shit the 5th season came out
did it end the panormal liberation arc and that ugly boy the one for all is grooming
the manga is still doing full civil war or no?
No.12079
>>10784>>10785i don't get it
No.13120
>>12078>the manga is still doing full civil war or no?Nah they pretend so, but it has barely demonstrated any difference to the situation of the beginning, simply the attitude and "atmosphere" has tonally darkened a bit.
No.13122
>>13120It's also going to end in the lamest and most predictable way possible too.
No.13125
>>11016if theyre fictional, youre completely right
No.13163
I realized something retarded about BnHA's plot. At the beginning, All Might told Midoriya that a quirkless person cannot be a hero, and that this statement came from his depressed view of heroism, BUT Toshinori WAS originally quirkless, so it makes no fucking sense that he, the NUMBER ONE HERO, and one that is in the know of all sorts of quirkless heroes and vigilante that pop-up in story, decided something so hypocritical.
https://myheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/Toshinori_Yagi/Synopsis Stupid thing is, the anime and manga talk about Toshinori having a strong body that let him use One-For-All at full potential almost from the beginning, so the author could easily have made All Might's a dormant quirk, activated by his transferred quirk - Strong Body - that let him utilize the power of OFA without physical backlash.
No.13179
>>13163I just assumed his quirk made his body strong so he simply lucked out not having to go through so much trouble.
No.13184
>>13179>so he simply lucked out not having to go through so much trouble.I mean sure, yeah, BUT my point is in regards to All Might's statement in the beginning that the quirkless cannot be heroes despite him BEING formerly quirkless.
No.13192
>>13184That's just semantics. If you go from quirkless to having a quirk the previous conditions are no longer relevantly applicable. All Might maybe was just saying people without quirks would be under too much danger to stand up against people with really dangerous quirks.
No.13927
>>13192>people without quirks would be under too much danger to stand up against people with really dangerous quirks.That'd be true except Quirkless heroes and vigilantes exist in universe and moreover I doubt All Might got selected for OfA if he hadn't been in some kind of hero program that attracted the previous possessor of the ability to give it to him.
No.14340
>>12079Basically the plot revolves around and essentially makes heroism a bourg business system.* Heroes are no different to Actors or Sports Pros and the system caters to that. Societally if you have a bad or not useful quirk (or none at all) you're not only socially discriminated but also economically and politically handicapped. Hell you can see it in Ochaco's initial motivation; getting money to support her parents. It's not a bad motivation as a human being in the system, because the system itself encourages selfish glory-seeking over true heroism, essentially making "heroes" almost mercantile and making their obligation to save people as an obligation to get good PR and make profit, rather than actually saving people because you want to. It's also similar to military recruitment - you go in seeing a shiny image of "doing good! (and getting benefits too)" and get used to the jaded obligated execution of a job.
*Yes, it tosses in "criticism" of the system, yet the fact that this comes from villains that are defeated by the main characters and are in symbolically beaten ideologically, makes it a shallow attempt at "different shades of grey" meme that cartoon superhero comics have been doing for decades. Hell a slightly earlier anime series, Tiger & Bunny did this social commentary much better IMO.
No.14341
>>11254>things like Gear 3rd and 2nd, or Gomu Rifle in Luffy's case (Wano Arc Spoilers)
Nika/JoyBoy being a Zoan sure put a wrench in that, though generally it still applies to most non-asspulled Devil Fruits.
No.14342
>>10860>y himself he is mostly worthless and only exists as a tool for the greater power he is handedBut that's kind of the initial character of a lot of Shonen, not like DBZ but many others do feature this kind of weak protag alone but strong in a team stuff. For a long time Western comics are the ones that have naturally gifted and one dimensional characters (superman is hallmark of this). Heck a lot of Greek and other mythology heroes are those that are naturally powerful and just steamroll even if they do token training, Hercules is a good example.
But I get your point, it's kind of a mix and match.
No.14343
>>4710>the most refreshing shounen I've enjoyed in a whileHave you been under a rock for the past 2 decades?
No.14344
>>3289I think this became
>>>/hobby/8871 site transfer fucked this shit up
No.14463
Boku No Hero is very much "inspired" by classic shonen, primarily the Big Three and DBZ, among others. The most prominent and commonly compared inspiration had been Naruto as per authorial admission. Obviously this lent comparisons of characters, I'll go into this later in another post. A common character comparison is Bakugou, to Sasuke but frankly he's closer to Vegeta. His character 'arc' is also similar: Selfish, arrogant, disdainful and violent and later he just get more mild. He cares nothing about other people and his behaviors are more villainous than anything, and he's fixated on his main rivals.
His character progression literally is "he became slightly less of an asshole" and a retcon about him bullying Deku in an attempt to "scare" him from being a hero… rather than just being on a power trip and having no care or conscience about the consequences of his actions and words. It's a glaring flaw of the story because it essentially ignores a common BNHA-fan behavior of victim-blaming Midoriya - because he's a floormat. Bakugou is in a society that made him believe he was better than everyone because of his quirk, Midoriya believes he was a waste of air for lacking one. There's probably a subconscious part of Deku that believes he deserved what happened to him, as is the case with many trauma victims. I think he never truly held it against Bakugou, his line of thinking is 'he shouldn't act like this to others', which is concerned with Bakugou’s treatment towards the others (quirk users) that he also bullies, not for himself. This theory is supported by the fact that he never once questioned that Bakugou would be a great hero, despite him consistently physically and verbally attacking anyone he deemed less than himself.
Deku is an abuse victim that never got therapy and combined with his wantingness to help people it takes his self sacrificing nature to suicidal levels. He would absolutely jump in front of a bullet even though there would be more in the mag. He doesn't think what will happen to him or anybody else after what happens to him because he doesn't think it means anything.
It ties to Bakugo because he is the cause of it. The fact that he wasn't stopped doesn't mean he doesn't have fault in it. Basically boils down to Bakago caused this harm, then it was never addressed and is treated like it is one of his quirky behaviors. Horikoshi himself admitted that he regrets writing the swan dive line. He said that he's been writing the rest of the series as if that never happened, because it was taking Bakugou's meaner side too far. A literal retcon to prevent him from becoming the Endeavour 2.0 he acts like. He got exposure to people with an actual moral compass and actually competent authority figures, and supposedly got straightened out, but it barely shows, outside of random and inconsistent shit like taking a bullet for Deku that makes no sense. It's the opposite of Sasuke, who despite his arrogance, only started behaving more toxically as a result of descending into darkness and by then he's a rouge character, a disillusioned anti-hero.
TL;DR:
In short Bakugous's character arc is shit. It only gets closure because Midoriya forgives everyone because he's like an abused wife, rather than the attempted portrayal of this being a Hero quality (See
>>8929 ). You can't just apologize once and not face the consequences of your actions or at least expect immediate acceptance and forgival.
People forget is that explanation is not necessarily justification. We know why Bakugou acts terribly. A superiority and inferiority complex clashing, causing him to display a number of extremely narcissistic and abusive traits. Which leads me to, "So why on earth do people glorify it?" It is simpler than meets the eye. A lot of people relate to Bakugou; it's easy to scapegoat someone, to pick on people and to fall into horrible habits to compensate for your shortcomings. It's terrible, yes, but these things are very common. Not everyone was "the bullied child". Many people were the bullies, or were the bystanders who never helped either party do better.
https://archive.ph/AVTeI Big post on Bakugou
No.14470
>>14463Basically this goes back to the author's general problem with trying to add moral complexity to his world but accidentally creating situations where the heroes are objectively wrong and not wanting to actually deal with that because he still wants to tell a traditional shonen story (and also not really being able to think the consequences of his ideas through).
For Bakugo to ever develop into a genuinely "better person" he'd have to lose his sociopathic obsession with victory and superiority, but that would also make him less cool and funny and appealing, so it's never gonna happen. And as for the fact that the supposed best educators in the field do not give a single shit that this kid obviously has problems, well, just ignore that. It's all just cartoonish fun, except when you're supposed to pretend it's actually really deep and serious and deserving of glowing reviews.
I mean the series literally begins with some shit about how superpowers have created a strict stratification where people without any powers are treated as less than fully human (despite some people having completely unnoticeable quirks, like Midoriya's mom having very slight telekinesis, and quirk use in public being outlawed) and then it's never addressed again, and the good guys are the ones trying to uphold all this. Cool!
No.14471
>>14463>>14470Also the retcon thing reminds me of how Endeavor in the later flashbacks is treated as just a bad, but well-meaning parent who was excessively harsh towards Shoto because he didn't want to lose another child; ignoring the obvious dehumanizing disdain he shows towards his son when he first appears. All just to validate the people who like the cool fire beard guy by showing that hey, he was never actually *that* bad (and ironically ruining the intended message of that entire arc).
No.14478
>>14470>deserving of glowing reviews Glowing in more ways than one probably
>he still wants to tell a traditional shonen storyIronically by trying to do 2 things at once he does neither. A lot of it rings like hollow imitations of DBZ and Naruto, missing the reason that they had deep or even just any good messages because they concretely explained the darker aspects of the story, Naruto doesn't cringe and ignore Sasuke's faults, but confronts them, and his idealist determination to never give up on his friend is meant to be about sticking to your guns to the end leading into the ideal of ending the cycle of hatred to prevent more loneliness and loss; and to do so they have to fight. Deku just accepts everything like a battered house wife, making excuses and not actually trying to confront or change Bakugou. If I recall correctly, every one of the very few stand-offs they had are initiated by the latter, not Deku. In Naruto it made sense for the shinobi to be hands-off, the harsh reality of their society meant that - if you're a ninja, you're an adult soldier, so your personal problems and confrontations only garner outside interest if it has an impact or threat on larger society. In BNHA you get none of this, only villains are confronted for violating the status quo. Heck one of the best stand-offs of Bakugou and Deku later in the series is almost literally ripped from Naruto, pic rel, and then had no impact later as Bakigu goes right back to being a 2-dimensional clod and Deku a spineless wimp.
>>14471 Yeah, Bakugou is like Endeavour 2.0 except childless
No.14479
>>14478Sasuke was a shitty character and any attempts to emulate it should be frowned upon.
No.14485
>>14479No he wasn't, he's a bad person, but that's not a shitty character and unlike any BNHA character his horrible, edgy behavior makes sense - as a 7 year old child he came home to his murdered family, killed by his brother, who subjected him to the Tsukiymoi (wherein the scenes of his family's murder are shown to him on loop for 72 mental hours, and then he has his arm broken and gets the same torture again, gets a curse-seal that influences him into magnifying his cruel and angry urges and he only goes into a tipping point by abandoned his friends to pursue revenge. He only derails fully into madness after Itachi's death and the hidden details about the Uchiha Coup are revealed, leading him to assassinate Danzo in revenge etc. etc. This is fucked up shit that is only comparable in BNHA to maybe Shiggy, but unlike Shigaraki, he never descended into actual mass murder or other shit. Sasuke is an asshole, but he has consistently demonstrated a character realistic for the situations he went through and only at the latter half of Part II did he even begin to demonstrate tendencies of killing unscrupulously.
https://archive.ph/kVFDX No.14528
>>14485He really isn't, on multiple occasions he's shown the errors of his assumptions and still chooses the path because he's a complete retard–or the writer is. Psychopathy or anti-social personality disorder is the only way to explain his edge-for-the-sake-of-edge behavior.
No.14544
BNHA would function far better as a seinen than a shonen
No.14550
>>14528>on multiple occasions he's shown the errors of his assumptions Yeah no. He gets very little to contradict his worldview in a positive manner, not to mention getting tortured for a mental 3 days+ is not exactly cohesive to positive function. Most of the errors he gets only further his views and hatred, very little contradicted it.
>edge-for-the-sake-of-edget.speed-reader
No.15933
Does it have Toga
No.15980
Holy based, eat the rich.
No.15982
>>15933no,but it has another psychotic woman,and stain.
No.15986
>>15933No but it has the bunny girl when she was a JK.
No.15988
>villain bar gets bigger when he says something based
why are villains always the good guys in popculture? i cannot think of a film in which i wouldn't at least partially identify with the villain
No.15989
>>15988Because if they arent relatable on some level they aren't very believable as a character. Even in real life it's like this where you practically never see anyone be evil for evil sake and have no tragic backstory on top of it it just doesnt happen.
No.15994
>>15988It obviously isn't the case here but it's a good old mass media propaganda trick to show an antagonist have leftish ideals and then commit genocide of whatever out of nowhere.
No.16001
>>15988More easily can the antagonists in fiction transgress the hegemonic ideology, and the current hegemonic liberalism of the bourgeoise's system is more and more unpopular for ordinary people; thus it is that, even when radical ideas counter to the status quo are placed into the antagonists' side in popular culture, so that the pretense of "no possible alternative" can be upheld, oftentimes the audience still sympathizes with the supposedly "bad" side instead of the representative of the status quo ideology.
No.16006
>>15931Oh wow, this had a great ending, and as a work it is overall much better than MHA. What a pleasant surprise!
No.16020
>>16019it means female high school student.
the acronym comes from the JK industry,a state of affairs of teenage girls getting paid to be escorts to older (adult) men.
No.16025
>>16019joshi (girl)
kousei (high schooler, abbrev. from koukousei/高校生)
as the other anon said it originated as a code word used by sex criminals, but it's since become almost completely detached from that context and is normalized to the extent of appearing in ad copy, mainstream media, etc
No.16712
The original pilot idea of Boku No Hero is so much better than the actual serialized manga/anime. Izuku is named Jack, is a salaryman instead of a teenager, and his appearance is a bit more like BNHA's Hitoshi Shinsou and Tetsuo from Akira
https://ww8.myheroacademiaread.com/manga/boku-no-hero-academia-chapter-0-read-online/ https://myheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/One-Shot It's kind of more interesting a take than the "hero high-school story Number 23241" That BNHA became.
No.16780
>>16779and the actual characters themselves should be ground into a powder dust
No.16864
>>16771It's become boring skirmishes and stopped having a concrete theme, if it ever had one.
No.16865
Anime can't even do capeshit right lmao what a crock of shit
No.16866
>>16771IS ALL MIGHT STILL ALIVE
No.16867
>>16866also i wish it had digital colored variant, i saw the hexel ones, it looks pretty good
at least vigilantes, cause i don't think they're ever getting an anime
No.16879
>>16866unfortunately,it's someone else who crooked (and there was also a jobber USA hero with a broken power who appeared and died in the same chapter in order to narratively weaken the villain,because he's overpowered as shit)
No.20542
>TFW BNHA tried to have Ochaco talk no jutsu Toga in the middle of a fight even as she's supposed to be bleeding out
>Her gravity power now lets her affect anyone within a certain area around her
>The "power of friendship" actually works and their fight is resolved
>Also the Deku/Ochaco ship is confirmed
I don't mind Talk no Jutsu beating a villain in a story, but it has to have a basis of commonality for it to work. Ochaco's sudden need to save Toga comes out of nowhere and it's basically ripped right out of a Naruto fanfiction. Problem is Ochaco's words aren't convincing because it boils down to
>"My family is poor and that made them sad so I decided to become rich to make them happy, and so through the work of being a hero and hero work made me realize that I should bring happiness to others too because Deku inspired me"
Not a bad sentiment, but
A) She's using it to try and relate to a person that suffered far more and has a completely different mindset
B) WHY is Ochaco suddenly telling Toga this? She has been given little to no reason to sympathize or empathize with Himiko, so where is this coming from?
In Naruto Talk no Jutsu came from Naruto learning about his opponent and finding reflections of himself in them, letting him connect through empathy and use words to change them after being them in a fight usually. But for this to happen he has to know and understand his enemy, that's why his physical victory against Pain was not really a victory of his ideals, as it took him facing Nagato directly and learning his story to truly defeat him.
Even putting aside that Ochaco doesn't know Toga outside of her being a reoccurring threat to her and Deku, Toga is completely different to her. She has a biological craving for blood like other organisms need food, her almost addict relationship to blood literally causes her to psychologically form bonds and "love" the beings the blood she takes it from, man, woman or animal. This is obviously disconcerting to people and her entire childhood was spent being the cause of fear and disgust. Her being a villain liberated her to do as she desired, love as she desired, consume as she desired, but truly she desires acceptance, to be loved in return, to not be shunned and ostracized. But that's why she's insane. She kills and maims and almost nobody knows her background, so when someone like Ochaco faces her, all they see is a strange psychopath and only an idealistic fictional hero like Deku or Naruto or whoever would try to redeem her, as they embody the ideal of a hero that never gives up and wants to save everyone. Ochaco is not that character, she doesn't have the charisma or idealism or presence to justify it and so it falls flat, because the reader's suspension of disbelief isn't that high for her as it would be for say, Deku, to have tried to talk her down, since his embodiment of True Heroism means that we can suspend our disbelief that he would try to redeem someone that by all reasonable metrics is too far gone.
This was supposed to be a short post but it just grew into a rant, The War Arc is just garbage writing.
No.20882
>>20542> Toga is completely different to her. She has a biological craving for blood like other organisms need food,I thought she just killed and drank peoples blood because she like it
Where did this biological need for blood come from?
No.20884
Lack of desire to expand the world and setting made it boring. Like how would economies work, how would militaries work in a world with super people and why is every single important person from Japan?
No.20890
>>20882>I thought she just killed and drank peoples blood because she like it >Where did this biological need for blood come from? It's a side-effect of her quirk. Essentially her need for blood is inherent, and without it she gets nutty, like a drug addict without a dose.
>>20884 The answer to all of these is: brainless superhero action, they didn't even try to think this through unless it had some plot relevance.
No.20904
>>20884that's what bothers me about jujutsu kaisen tbh
No.20905
>>20884these are questions that honestly no superhero or many media with super people ever exposes.
in fact there are very few "Hero for us, villain for them" character or situations in any of these medias because you can bet if Cuba or DPRK gets the superman he is not gonna be treated as a hero.
No.20910
>>20904What is jjk like? Is it any good and does it suffer from the Japan centrism.
No.20911
>>20905I have noticed that even when media does something with the idea of a “bad” country having superheroes they are always done in a propagandistic way, like how in worm(spoilers!). the Chinese superheroes are evil and brainwashed.
No.20915
>>20904It's part of why Jujutsu lost some popularity after initial hype, it failed to world build enough, it could have been the next Bleach, just like Black Clover sort of became the closest thing to a current Naruto.
>>20905>no superhero or many media with super people ever exposes.Well there are some anime and obscure comics that explore this, but they're very far and few between… part of the reason is because frankly superhero writers want cool people with cool powers in a world like ours, ignoring that a world of cool powers would lead to very different material developments, partially because that's rather boring for an action story.
>there are very few "Hero for us, villain for them" character or situations There are a few, particularly back during the Cold War, where Soviet and Chinese antagonists had supervillains that were heroes to their country. Superman Red Son is a direct example of this even if it's a pretty lib-take on communists.
>>20911 You could say they have anticommunist brainWorm
No.20918
>>20910It's alright. It's like Bleach + Hunter X Hunter but urban setting. Feels less cliche somehow despite all story arcs and characters being very archetypical. A lot of character deaths and emotional tragedy unresolved, often feels high stakes, and kind of gloomy compared to other big WSJ battle manga. I recommend finishing Vs. Mahito arc before droping because it's a rough start for some people (personally I was hooked from episode 3 onwards).
Mentor figure has revolutionary ideals (against the bureaucrats of the secret society, called "higher-ups"). Endgame of one of the heroines is getting rid of a problem at a systemic level and she is shunned for it by said conservative higher-ups. Main villain is an idealist liberal turned fascist supremacist. A whole clan of reactionaries gets unapolotegically murdered and the story presents it as a good thing. Gigachad has a transgender girlfriend. Women are actual characters even if main conflict centers around the men. There's a chapter about criminal justice hating poor people. No royalty/nobility wank, though there's a lot of muh inherited superpowers from special family.
Religious organizations, inflexible old people, traditionalist conservatives, wageslaving, are all depicted as bad/evil. American military is mocked and humiliated in a recent story arc.
No.20919
>>20918Forget to mention that main character is a collectivist, in a sense of "I'm not special, I'm part of something larger and it's important for all of us that we fulfill our functions". Another character confronts this, mistaking him for a spooked moralist, only to later realize his devotion is genuine and coming to respect him.
No.20920
>>20910I've only watched the anime, but it's good/10. To me if you stop to think about it very much it starts to fall apart, but otherwise it's enjoyable
>why is there an ancient evil relic in a locker by a school if cursed objects attract curses and that's bad>if curses are a fact of life then why does no one seem to know about them>how can they maintain the masquerade when all kinds of impossible shit regularly happens>what is happening elsewhere in the world if curses are a fact of life, like, where are the American sorcerers, or the Chinese, or whatever>if curses are state knowledge then why isn't it being weaponized when curse wielding individuals can do shit like stop time, travel to other dimensions, etc>why is this activity that is essential to protecting society at large and particularly the state being left to teenagers who have a ridiculously high attrition rate>if bad feelings create curses why don't good feelings do anything>if bad feelings like those that arise from the consequences of living under capitalism (poverty, hunger, stress from competition and precarity,etc) cause curses, then shouldn't social policies which alleviate these things have a direct effect on the curse population>why is the first thing the antagonist thinks of to kill all normies in order to make a world of only sorcerers instead of achieving communism in order to drastically reduce the level of cursesImo Chainsaw man handles it better. Maybe this stuff is explained in the manga, but being an anime onlyfag I don't know.
No.20924
>>20920>why is there an ancient evil relic in a locker by a school if cursed objects attract curses and that's badThere is a reason for this but it isn't explicitly stated and the anime portion of the story doesn't give enough context as to why.
>if curses are a fact of life then why does no one seem to know about themIt's roughly the same as real life in Japan: plenty of people claim to have seen spirits once of twice during their lifetime. Curses in JJK aren't common, and there's urgency in exorcising them. Some normies do know about curses, however. The government knows about curses and Jujutsu society, there are laws regarding this.
>how can they maintain the masquerade when all kinds of impossible shit regularly happensThey don't regularly happen, but when they do happen, veil techniques are employed.
>what is happening elsewhere in the world if curses are a fact of life, like, where are the American sorcerers, or the Chinese, or whateverThis seems to be an important plot point currently in the manga.
>if curses are state knowledge then why isn't it being weaponized when curse wielding individuals can do shit like stop time, travel to other dimensions, etcThis seems to be an important plot point currently in the manga.
>why is this activity that is essential to protecting society at large and particularly the state being left to teenagers who have a ridiculously high attrition rateMost sorcerers are adults. Jujutsu society is not limited to Jujutsu Tech, and most sorcerers are trained within their own clans instead of Jujutsu Tech. Fushiguro implies that age is not a determining factor as to whether you can join Jujutsu Tech, but they seem to need you to be at least in your late teens.
>if bad feelings create curses why don't good feelings do anythingWe still don't know much about cursed energy, there's a lot the author is leaving as a mystery. Positive energy exists, but it is not born out of positive feelings.
>if bad feelings like those that arise from the consequences of living under capitalism (poverty, hunger, stress from competition and precarity,etc) cause curses, then shouldn't social policies which alleviate these things have a direct effect on the curse populationSure, but porky doesn't want that.
>why is the first thing the antagonist thinks of to kill all normies in order to make a world of only sorcerers instead of achieving communism in order to drastically reduce the level of cursesGetou didn't care about the well being of society, he hated normies and didn't want to eat pokeballs to protect them. Eliminating curses is cool and all, but better yet to kill the "ugly weak".
No.21815
>>20918>>20920>>20924>Out of the BNHA thread for a while>miss all these effortpostsNice read.
No.22081
>>22051It’s ending in the most generic way possible. Tbh it was apparent that it was shit from the start, author added too many characters most of whom suck and have barely anything interesting going on, he also gives these characters too much attention, not enough to make them interesting, but enough to have them taking screen time from actual characters. What a waste of setting and designs. A competent writer would have created something perfect with this material. Also why the fuck did author decide to give mc a generic fisting ability lmao.
No.22086
>>20924>There is a reason for this but it isn't explicitly stated and the anime portion of the story doesn't give enough context as to why.Then it sucks.
>It's roughly the same as real life in Japan: plenty of people claim to have seen spirits once of twice during their lifetime. Curses in JJK aren't common, and there's urgency in exorcising them. Some normies do know about curses, however. The government knows about curses and Jujutsu society, there are laws regarding this.That's retarded and doesn't make any sense. That's like the US having laws about the mothman or bigfoot.
>They don't regularly happen, but when they do happen, veil techniques are employed.They're happening all the time. We see them happening and they're really frequent.
>Most sorcerers are adults. The ones lucky enough to survive that long I guess. They're constantly going on about how short handed they are, short handed enough to send teenagers into life or death situations, which often results in their deaths.
Fuck, I don't think these kids are even being paid.
>We still don't know much about cursed energy, there's a lot the author is leaving as a mystery. Even to himself I bet.
>Positive energy exists, but it is not born out of positive feelings.Possibly retarded.
>Sure, but porky doesn't want that.Except now we're in a world where collective negative feelings create literal demons. Factories and offices should be veritable demon factories and capital shouldn't be able to function like it does.
>Getou didn't care about the well being of society, he hated normies and didn't want to eat pokeballs to protect them. Eliminating curses is cool and all, but better yet to kill the "ugly weak".Come to think of it why isn't the Japanese government keeping tabs on this and every other incredibly dangerous individual that goes to Jujutsu Tech. There should be eyes on these people 24/7, especially when they leave demon killing school to start a genocidal cult.
No.23054
>>22081>but enough to have them taking screen time from actual charactersThe problem is all the main characters in this series are such a two dimensional bores with no character arcs. Seriously, has any of the main characters (on the hero side) undergone any transformation since the beginning of the series? Closes thing I can think of is Endevor, and in his case its less of a character growth and more retcon.
No.23060
>>23038BUNNIES
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>>22086>That's retarded and doesn't make any sense. That's like the US having laws about the mothman or bigfoot.You forget how culturally backwards Japan really is. I'm not even surprised.
No.23066
>>23054They do change. But mostly it’s related to the way they fight, ice and fire guy didn’t use his fire side until mc forced him to accept his fire ability, mc started using less fists and more kicks etc. Most changes and developments are battle related. Also I still don’t understand how people somehow have gaslighted themselves into thinking that Endeavor’s family reconciling was well written? I personally couldn’t ever forgive someone as shitty as Endeavor.
No.23956
I finally realized what annoys me about Deku being such a cry-baby throughout the story… and I came to the realization while I was rewatching Neon Genesis Evangelion and seeing Shinji. Shinji was a deconstruction of Mecha-pilots and child-soldiers as well as the over-arching theme of the Hedgehog's Dilemma through his abandonment issues with his father and in part his mother. This is demonstrated in his timid nature and lack of typical rowdy teen-boy behavior. His struggle between his urge to run away and the need to stand and fight is an overarching one.
Deku is similarly timid and withdrawn, like Shinji he doesn't stand up for himself… but the reasoning is pretty lame - "Oh I don't have special powers, even though I have a loving caring mother and live safely with food on the table, a home to live in" etc. Now in a less apocalyptic setting like BnHA that's okay, it's a real issue people even have today; an alienation brought about by the capitalist system. Hell even his urge to be heroic in spite of his weakness is admirable even. However the problem comes from his lack of real change as a character. Shinji's character progressive and regressing as the story went on was because of how deadly and fucked up his situation was and how that impacted his genuinely traumatized psyche. Deku, while bullied quickly found comrades when he was given the chance to become a hero through a granted power, the further we go through the story the more support he gets so his character logically should progress positively. Yet we still don't see him stop being a cry-baby in spite of being validated and having non-toxic relationships with real friends. He doesn't struggle in being motivated to be a hero, when in tough situations, but somehow lacks spine outside of this. He continually fails to confront Bakugou's toxicity, which would be fine if it had consequences, such as Katsuki actually doing something villainous or hurting people with his attitude, but that never comes into play, it's barely touched upon in the early arcs and is mostly laughed away.
It pisses me off because it's a dysfunctional set-up - we have a Naruto-esque zero-hero set-up with a dark-horse rival and escalating danger, but his attitude fails to live up to it, and the story itself fails to follow up on what it sets up, instead skipping into the Villains and the tragedy of Hero society and its perpetuation of violence, discrimination and other issues that create Villains to begin with. While that (Villain) plot is certainly something to explore, Deku himself doesn't fit, his vigilante turn amidst the War Arc also contradicts his soft character and prior motivations and ideals.
TL;DR: Deku's character development fails and he seems to pendelum swing between a Naruto type characterization to a Shinjiesque one and back again, despite story progression indicating that he should leave the latter characterization behind. In other words it's like throwing Shinji-lite into a Naruto-type Main Character role, but failing to capitalize on the rival subplot and so on.
No.24153
>>23956>This is demonstrated in his timid nature and lack of typical rowdy teen-boy behavior. Thats kinda sexist.
"Rowdy teen boy behavior" my ass.
Male youth should not have to be boisterous exuberance all the time.
But yea I get what you mean by the annoying spinelessness of Deku.
But this is a main problem with shonen anime.
They make the characters either loud obnoxious hotheads like Naruto or self-ashamed shrinking violets like Deku.
Or they make them a moderate kind but with complete klutzyness.
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>>24153How in the hell is it SEXIST of all things? I'm not saying he's atypical just because he's quiet or shy, that alone isn't the issue, the root causes of WHY he's like that, and the fact that he kept putting himself down is important. He didn't act anything like the norm as a result of mental issues I stated, we see this distinctly in contrast to Toji Suzahara who is as close to a jock as NGE gets, and Kensuke Aida, who's nerdy but still has normal levels of boyish behavior. Such behaviors are partially biological, as primates and humans in the teen phase, hit puberty and tend to have a resulting jump in hormones relative to a still developing brain, causing less rational, more reckless behavior and so on. Shinji is abnormal because he lacks this until driven to the brink; a result of his traumas as a child impeding his ability to express himself or let his thoughts be known or to take action because subconsciously he's afraid to be hurt by others (hence the Hedgehog Dilemma).
>Male youth should not have to be boisterous exuberance all the time. Neither should they NEVER express such exuberance either, if that's happened then something's wrong, it's often an IRL sign of child-abuse in the past. Shinji's ONLY times he demonstrates fiery emotion is either in or related to the EVA and even THEN it's dependent on his environment, as it only takes a small push for his psyche to come crashing down into apathy and self-hatred again.
>They make the characters either loud obnoxious hotheads like Naruto or self-ashamed shrinking violets like Deku. Naruto worked because the loud knucklehead wasn't a trope beaten into the ground at the time, and because Naruto's ignorance made sense considering his situation + he grows over time. Deku's trope isn't even the problem in his case, it's the stagnancy of it personality wise. When you go through high-strung events like he has, you're not going to remain the same personality, from a certain point of view, he's basically been in combat against deadly enemies, and that shit changes your personality.
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>>24160
>brainndevelopment is an urban myth.
No it fucking isn't.
>"hormones" is also overstated
Testosterone in men is literally a prime reason Males are more likely to commit violent crime by several magnitudes.
>Ots more the mamdatory schooling with its exxessive rukes which makes them neurotic.
The fuck does this mean? Take meds.
Also sage for utter off-topic
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