No.6558
>>6556Even just going by the movies Sheev was pretty based.
>The "Republic" is a corrupt quasi-gangster state>religion and the state are intertwined to the point that samurai monks get sent to "settle diplomatic disputes" and it's strongly implied their real job is to be muscle>whole planets of bourgeoisie enjoy massive spoils of galaxy-scale imperialism while planets in the outer rim live in abject squalor or have their entire economy bent toward producing militaries for galactic proxy wars over economic disputes>Sheev manipulates puppets to put him in charge of the republic so he can fix things>in basically one fell swoop, he wipes out 99% of the religious thugs>anticipates and thwarts what is a barely veiled assassination attempt>Consolidates and centralizes power within the government, halting the dumbfuck proxy wars and saving lives>sets up a cartoonishly evil empire with obvious weak points that can be effectively abolished once he's wiped out the corruption>destroys the booj/nobility planets with the death star (and nothing of value is lost) so the royals playing at rebellion can't reinstate monarchy>allows rebels to fight back but forces them to organize at mass scale before they can fully defeat the empire, to ensure there will be a structure to replace him instead of leaving a power vacuum>doesn't kill the last Jedi but does ensure that the others die before he can be properly trained in the old ways, ensuring the cancerous fundies can't come back No.6564
>>6563Nice one. He's rather obscure TBH, old Planet of the Apes was great
No.6567
Killmonger in Black Panther
No.6568
>>6567Killmonger was the Populist Revolutionary and Black Panther was a Foreign Backed Reactionary Counter Revolutionary who cucked out for Neoliberalism.
No.6570
>>6567Niggas solution to "helping black brothers" is 'gib them more weapons!' as if vibranium guns would have a significant difference compared to an AK in terms of use. Its would just be MORE chaos.
No.6586
>>6555>sell my inventions<not give it to everyone for free
Cringe and unbased.
No.6591
>>6586He lives in a capitalist world, you can't keep creating new stuff without money to make more.
No.6593
>>6586>>6591His entire motivation was selfish anyway. Its rather like the Joker in the recent film. It's incidentally helping people but that's not why he did it.
No.6595
>>6564Obscure? The first Planet of the Apes is one of the most famous movies of all time.
No.6597
>>6593At least Joker was straight up honest about his intentions.
No.6598
>>6593>His entire motivation was selfish anyway.As he says in the movie, "When everyone's super, no-one is." This is supposed to be read as evil and destroying individuality as the typical anti-communist shit, but this is complete trash. If you look at the superheroes in the story they are much more individual than the normal people who are actively portrayed as bland. He doesn't want to destroy individuality but to make people
more individual
and have the same level of power. His motivations are only "selfish" insofar as he is part of the un-powered masses and has seen for himself the consequences of this. Just like in capitalism the masses depend on someone above them (capitalists or supers) to make their lives even possible. Capitalists are the gatekeepers of jobs - without them giving you a job you can't work to live. Supers are the gatekeepers of not getting killed by monsters. In the Incredibles world, normies are reduced to the victims and playthings of supers who are either "evil" (using powers to enrich themselves by attacking the status quo) or "good" (fighting the evil ones on behalf of the status quo and also getting rich for it). Syndrome wanted everyone to be on the same playing field for the sake of safety and personal/political power. The Incredibles wanted to preserve the divide between supers and normies because their self-esteem was based on feeling special and better than the normies.
No.6599
>>6598All this is true, HOWEVER he does this out of his own disillusionment with Heroes and selfish want for revenge. He's doing it out of spite and for self-benefit. That's not necessarily bad, but you get my point (hopefully).
No.6600
>>6579Ace combat has such a weird obsession with anarchists. On one hand it paints them as the well meaning voice of reason, opposing the senseless slaughter that is war in strangereal but then in zero Pixy's solution to end the belkan war is just to nuke the world, wtf?
It reminds me of that guy in dr Stone who wants to kill all the adults so that property rights can't be reinstated.
It's like they have to make the communists/anarchists totally retarded in their methods to be able to present the status quo in a good light.
No.6603
>>6599I know what you're saying but was it purely out of spite and self-benefit? He was carrying out his plan before he even encountered the Incredibles. He was liquidating the supers who protected the status quo, but aside from defeating the opposition, that was how he was able to duplicate their powers, seizing the metaphorical means of production which he then intended to distribute to the masses. He did stand to benefit from it, but even before he was going to hand out super powers he had a private island and a lot of wealth as an industrialist. What more did he really stand to gain from this? And wasn't the whole point of amassing that wealth to achieve the goal of making everyone super?
No.6604
>>6598>fighting the evil ones on behalf of the status quo and also getting rich for itI don't think any of the supers were getting rich in The Incredibles universe. I never saw The Incredibles 2, so maybe there were bougie heroes in that one, but at least in The Incredibles the supers were like student athletes. They get "paid" by living the rock star lifestyle for a few years and having all their needs and wants taken care of, and then they get tossed aside when the bosses are done with them.
No.6605
>>6604They were rich relative to normies, like the "PMC" types or labor aristocrats. Even if it's just having their needs met by the state that's well above what normies have.
No.6606
>>6556>>6558Eh, considering that Sheev established Fascism, I'm pretty sure that makes him an asshole
Unironically though, the CIS were the good guys who should've won
No.6611
>>6606>CISalthough fun for jokes, the CIS were paid and owned by bankers and corporations.
No.6615
>>6607Isn't the whole point that he's
some kind of energy vampire?
No.6628
>>6611Correction should be made. CIS shouldn't have won, but Dooku. He was supposedly an almost Blanquist figure who wanted to have CIS win, become a "puppet" leader of the new Republic, but then turn on the corporations and centralize the state.
No.6629
>>6628This I accept. Honestly I enjoy that characters stoic seriousness.
No.6631
>>6628>>6629Dooku was pretty cool.
Probably helped that he was played by Christopher "I stabbed a Nazi in the chest so I know what being stabbed sounds like Peter" Lee.
RIP ;_;7
No.6632
>>6631>I stabbed a Nazi in the chest so I know what being stabbed sounds likeActually it was in the back. And yeah Lee is a great actor, however the Clone Wars animated Dooku was rather charismatic as well
No.6635
Berlin, from Money Heist i.e. Casa De Papel.
Followed all the rules and was fair in his decisions and didn't lose his cool. Was polite, proud, refined and charismatic yet also intimidating strict and unyielding. A respectable if quirky man.
Pedro Alonso (who played Berlin) described him as "cruel, heroic, and funny at the same time".
Ironically a lot of media denounced him as cold and really misogynistic or derisive of others yet, he his 'derision' was merely a more polite method of insulting people who offended him. He is not mysogynistic so much as oddly chivalrous yet also assertive, he does not force people to do something (unless it is a critical situation) but convinces and gives them a choice, such as Arianna. He also has emotions and demonstrates frighteningly accurate understanding of how others think and feel and how to calm them or frighten them. He is analytical and intelligent, yet passionate and strange, creating an odd, mature character who I sympathize with.
No.6643
The main officer from Day of the Dead
He made some pretty good points
No.6646
>>6643Name one thing wrong with exterminating mortals
If global communism had been achieved he would never enact the zero mortals plan
Filthy NINGEN need not reply
CHAD SELFCEST GODKILLER IS INNOCENT
No.6663
>>6646>Be a Kai>hate humans<post on a human site
Surely a god like yourself has something far 'superior'
No.6665
>>6663s-shut up! NINGEN
Godchan is down for maintenance
No.6667
>>6591> you can't keep creating new stuff without money to make more.<Not funding superpowered villains to takeover rather than LARPing as a hero.
Bruh. The guy is a literal billionaire. Engels was only a son of a rich factory owner and he funded multiple papers and leftist orgs.
>>6604The supers are like on the Batman thread epithemized the image of individual fascist actions to fix society. They do good because they can, no more motivations.
>>6634>if you don't support A, you must support B>muh binary logicBack to your containment threads Dengoid.
No.6669
>>6667>The guy is a literal billionaire. Engels was only a son of a rich factory owner and he funded multiple papers and leftist orgs.Syndrome's plan is to supply every human being with super powers. That would be expensive as fuck, and if he starts by having richfags pay for it, he can use the profit to pay out of pocket for everyone else.
No.6671
The hijackers from Air Force One and their leader, an imprisoned Soviet general.
No.6672
>>6555The "villains" from the Has fallen series are all based as fuck.
>North Korean intending to go full posadism on America>Pakistani waging a death struggle to avenge his daughter a victim of drone striking imperialism No.6673
CPGB-ML
No.6674
>>6672Aren’t those the movies where one line is “America will reign for a thousand years” said triumphantly?
No.6680
Here's an interesting one: Kel'Thuzad. While he is definitely not a "good" guy, his motivation is highly relatable and justifiable.
>Be a powerful and magically gifted individual who can come to a position where all the rot of the human kingdoms become apparent: labourers are overburdened and exploited while imprisoned Orcs are held in concentration camps. All the while human lords grow fat and abuse their power.
>Attempt to expand the known magical knowledge towards necromancy but get screwed over by the dogmatic order of the mages.
>Hear a powerful figure reach out for you. Investigate, discover the true power of the Lich King, and realize you need not be a servant, but can use this as a means to an end.
>Swear fealty to the Lich King and start spreading your own revolutionary doctrine throughout human lands: let us do away with the lords, with the social inequality, with death. Let us forever more be immortal and equal, in service of our new king, throw away the dogmatic superstitions of the Light and embrace undeath!
>Recruit many like minded followers. Eventually set of the events that will scour the corrupt old order from the face of the earth.
>To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss: all those who didn't accept the gift shall be wiped out by the plague and newly raised armies of undead, forced to serve the will of the master.
>Get killed, only to be resurrected and ascend to become a lich latter due to you invaluable service.
>Endear yourself to the princeling Arthas, make him your friend, and a suitable replacement for the original Lich King.
>Free the Scourge from any demonic control. Now it dictates its own future.
And here is his manifesto, "One Truth in Undeath":
<Behold the finest of ironies. The living ascribe unto undeath all the most sickly attributes of their own lives–hopeless servitude, savagery, stillness of the spirit. We serve! The living serve, too, though they serve kings, warlords, druids, priests, gods, men, and beasts. We serve only the mighty, unifying will of the Lich King, which compels us unto prosperity and unity!
<For all the endeavours of men, there exist only endless records of tragedy, cruelty, betrayal, and selfishness. For the Scourge, there is only efficiency and totality. Serve the Lich King in life, or serve him in death. His is a way of choice whose roads lead only to fulfillment!
<Cold in flesh, but warmed by unity, the mighty Scourge are one nation, one mind, one being. True cold dwells in the heartless gaze of the guards who turn away sickly refugees from their neighboring country in a time of war! Are not all men of one kind? Nay, divided in their icy hearts.
<Raise high our ideals, and bring low our foes! Fold their broken into our number until all serve the Frozen Throne!
No.6685
>>6643Aye, although that scientist dude did have a point by asking "where would you go?"
No.6686
>>6685Forgot to mention that Rhodes fucked up when he
took off in that little vehicle without the rest of his men, it's likely they would've survived had he just waited for a couple seconds No.6702
>>6700He overthrew a measured, rationed ecosystem for a unbalanced free-for-all… that's not based
No.6703
>>6702>muh caste system was perfect before the wh*te lions messed it upI can smell the curry in this post
No.6704
>>6703How the fuck is that even relevant you ape? Look at the result of Scar's "rule" Unregulated constant hunting and resultant over-consumption desiccated the land. Not saying the whole "Lion monarchy" thing was good, but Scar didn't do away with the 'lion monarchy', just replaced 1 good king with himself.
No.6705
>>6704>Scar ate all the grain and paid the clouds not to rain.I can't believe you would post such credulous monarchist propaganda.
No.6707
>>6705I can't tell if you're being ironic or not in this comparison. He and his hyenas and the lions hunted without regulation, resulting in over-hunting and the herds moving away.
No.6714
>>6603>I know what you're saying but was it purely out of spite and self-benefit?Yes. His plan also involves the pointless random murder of a significant number of people in a city just so that he can look like the hero saving the day, hoard his technology for his entire lifespan (assuming he doesn't extend his own life further), and then sell off the technology just so he can look like he was actually just being generous to humanity one last time before he died. He might have ultimately helped out humanity and ended a massive inequality, but it was only incidental to him being a murderous narcissist and a final "fuck you" on a ten-year-long grudge against Mr. Incredible.
No.6716
>>6674Weird that they’re directed by a French dude.
No.6718
>>6707>resulting in over-hunting and the herds moving away.The herd moved away because the land is barren, which is the result of drought. The absence of herds would cause more plants to grow as grazing decreased.
No.6721
>>6705It is based on Shakespeare (mostly Hamlet) so of course the movie is monarchist propaganda. That's how those old plays go:
>usurper kills king>land goes crazy as storms tear across the country and the horses eat one another and the sun is eclipsed from the sky and ghosts walk the earth, etc>usurper is killed and rightful heir takes throne>suddenly everything is magically fine again No.6722
>>12242Hello /pol/
>>6718>absence of herds would cause more plants to grow as grazing decreased.Aye, however that's not the point of the depiction. The idea here is that with Mufasa, the lions hunted enough to cull the herds and allow the grass to grow properly, and still not over-hunt them. Scar does not do this and ends up depleting the herds. The drought is a metaphor for his destructive rule rather than a direct consequence.
Also as
>>6721 points out its based on Hamlet and Macbeth and other Shakespearean plays on betrayal. However I disagree that it is monarchist propaganda so much as it is a monarchist idealism, something that is prevalent in fairy tales. Shakespear also challenges such ideas in other plays of his.
No.6724
>>6722I'm saying that Lion King as a retelling of Hamlet is effectively the fascist story of the interaction between the internal traitor and external barbarians.
No.6727
>>6724>between the internal traitor and external barbarians.That doesn't really have anything to do with Jews or Blacks though so mentioning that is pointless.
No.6728
what's up with these threads where we're just posting pol memes for some reason? I don't get the point…
No.6733
>>6728>/pol/ memesWhere? The idiot talking about Jews and blacks? cause he's only 1 guy.
No.6734
>>6607Is Madoka Magica a Satire of Capitalism?
There are a surprising number of similarities between the anime universe of Madoka Magica and our current economic system. I didn't just make this up, I've been thinking about it for a few months now. After sufficient time, I have made this completely up and even wrote a log line and story beats in case any aspiring script writers are interested in making an adaptation based on the idea. Here goes the theory…
First, the pun between a soul gem bearing magical girl and a singularly owned sole-proprietorship seems overly obvious, but it's just the tip of the iceberg for everything about the show being analogous to some economic feature or system. There is the feeding cycle between pedestrian consumers, witch corporations, and a magical girl sole-proprietorship; where people feed witches their money, defeated witches rejuvenate magical girls' spent assets, and occasionally a magical girl that loses faith in her cause becomes corrupted and incorporates into a publicly traded C-Corp… I mean, she transforms into a soulless witch.
Let's delve deeper into the contracts formed between incubators (QBs) and the magical girls (private, entrepreneurial citizens). There is nothing in a contract that obligates a magical girl to become a witch, it's simply the logical outcome of an indefinite period where specific circumstances will cause her to transform. This is similarly not a guaranteed requirement in the real world either. Indeed, Homura not only survived an indefinite number of iterations of her one month with Madoka and the others, she even proves that one need not ever transform based on her staying a magical girl past the end of the show (until the QBs forced her into a hopeless prison for the movie). The show had some natural deux ex machina law that required magical girls to transform, and reality could go in that direction too with specific circumstances. Let's say that a small business is failing and has a lot of debtors. Courts can seize the company (the owner's assets) and distribute either assets or revenues to debtors to settle the debt. If there is a single debtor, such as a bank, or is a single debtor with enough capital to buy out the others in exchange for exclusive control, such as a bank, then that debtor has total control to how the company ends its existence; which could include being sold to a venture capitalist, being incorporated and being sold via stock offering, or simply being liquidated for cash. Most banks will liquidate assets and hope to cover losses, but a savvy bank might invest in a freshly failed venture just to sell it on the stock market as a publicly traded corporation. Example: Warren Buffet's first business acquisition was an insurance company, and he bought it specifically because it had a high asset to debt ratio that he could leverage for other investments without breaking any laws. Any bank with a similar strategy might even write specific clauses to trigger this situation into their loan agreements; say for a certain asset to debt ratio or requiring minimum valuation to retain autonomy. The suspension in disbelief for this theory to work is that some bank out there would actually adopt the policy of investing in failure for hopes of a successful IPO. Failing that suspension of disbelief, we can still acknowledge that this could happen, even if we doubt that it would happen.
The fights between witches and magical girls is beautifully illustrated on screen, but all that magical flash could also just be an abstraction for the negotiations between businesses during a merger. This is especially relevant for a hostile take over. Let's say that a magical girl's sole-proprietorship wants to eliminate a witch's corporation from her city. The girl might try to buy out the corporation's stock or all the local franchises if she has a large enough magical bankroll to finance such an attack. She may also sabotage relations with vendors that the witch needs to operate by buying all the local stock or negotiating prices with those vendors to make corporate activities unfeasible. Introducing a competing product is an obvious strategy too, as would introducing an alternative product that obviates the corporate product line entirely. All of those activities are going to be expensive, and both magical girls and small businesses have a limited reserve for waging such a battle. But if she wins against the witch, and merges the ownership/market to exclusively herself, then the corporation's assets can be utilized or liquidated to replace the resources spent. When Homura defeated Charlotte after Mami's failure, she refused to give the witch seed to Sayaka and Madoka; which makes perfect sense if you envision an equivalent scenario where a purchased corporation is being asked to be given to lay persons that have no demonstrated business skills themselves.
Finally I draw attention to the heat death of the universe. The ticking clock that spells eventual doom for some later generation in the future. To say it slightly differently, let me introduce you to the national debt, a ticking clock that spells eventual ruin for some generation in the future. QB openly benefits from the energy released when a regular girl becomes a magical girl and whenever a witch is defeated then fed to him; but he also benefits from the much more profitable scenario of a magical girl transforming into a witch. Banks benefit when you park a large volume of cash into their reserves for regular business activities, for reasons that aren't relevant to this theory. But it very relevantly benefits from your regular payments on any loans you've drawn, loans which will be especially high if you're in the business of putting other businesses out of business. However, a bank could make the ultimate profit if it takes a nearly default company and sells it at an Initial Public Offering (IPO). This is where we get the best parallel between fictional story and real world events. Not only is that the transformation between both magical girls and witches, but also between singularly owned businesses and publicly traded corporations. Furthermore, Because all banks with US dollars purchase their dollars from the Federal Reserve (name is a misnomer, it is not a government entity), they directly owe the debt to the FedRes. So for as much as it is in the public interest to lower the national debt, it is a much greater prerogative for banks to control the expansion and possible contraction of the national debt.
QB sees that Madoka has potential to be a successful business owner. But he sees even greater potential from an IPO that will necessarily happen sooner or later.
What do you think? Have I been studying for my economics finals too long and I need to watch more anime instead; or am I an idiot for taking both Micro and Macro at the same time because "elective credits are always easy classes"? -OR- Is this an amazing theory that warrants re-watching the classic anime from a fresh perspective, because I'm so on point with my analysis?
No.6737
>>6734>>>/anime/This is a semi-ironic thread for villain-apologists, not a marxist review of anime. That said, good effort post.
No.6742
>>6733I think he meant 'dindu nuffin'
No.6802
>>6801>i thought it was shitBased
No.6805
>>6737>>6801It’s an old pasta from an anime Facebook k group. Aren’t even read the full text myself lmao
No.7621
- Legends General Grievous (I prefer the Russian robot version, but prior to Disney buying shit, his Kaleesh origin story remained true)
- Count Dooku; literally the Itachi of the clone-wars saga.
No.7623
>>6734>QB sees that Madoka has potential to be a successful business owner. But he sees even greater potential from an IPO that will necessarily happen sooner or later.HAHAHAHA WTF
No.7655
Stain from Boku no Hero is a bloody comrade, literally.
No.7710
Screenslaver, prior to the dumb twist ending was based
No.8311
>>6604They get a giant mansion in number 2 but thats funded by some trust fund kids that want to revive supers as a concept. You know what thinking back to that. A lot of the story didn't make sense. For instance
>>6598>normies are reduced to the victims and playthings of supers who are either "evil" (using powers to enrich themselves by attacking the status quo) or "good" (fighting the evil ones on behalf of the status quo and also getting rich for it). Syndrome wanted everyone to be on the same playing field for the sake of safety and personal/political power.Supers were already banned long before syndrome started putting his plan in place. The status quo seemed to chug along fine without the supers in fact. So much so the state was hiding them and making sure they couldn't use their powers. It was syndrome's grudge who revived the supers. He could have easily sold his technology and the state would have suppressed the supers for him. He recreated the conditions for supers coming back by unleashing that robot thing. Creating an existential threat that couldn't be handled by the state. Forcing the masses to turn to supers.
No.8640
>>6607he's literally a capitalist
No.8644
>>7930Stalin was unironically no worse than most figures throughout history and from the communist perspective was easily one of the most effective leaders in socialist history
No.8810
>>8644That's why they hate him. They don't like competent socialists, so they try to muddy MLs
No.8820
>>6584Yeah but MG1 was Venom who """"Apparently"""" Has gone genuine cray-cray by that point and is just a generic villian and he sorta made a dick move in MG2 by stealing the biofuel schematics and almost starting world war three between Iran-Russia-Pakistan-China
No.8828
>>8827Eyyy, I was wondering if I would have to post him
No.8830
>>8827He did his best for his people, but his plan relied entirely on a gamble.
No.8858
>>6635The new 4th season makes him into a real psycho for some reason, probably so people wouldn't romanticize him
No.8871
>>7655Stain is the typical example of a villain who has a good idea but "bad methods", and the "bad methods" are used to dismiss the good idea. It's even acknowledged by Iida and Midoriya that Stain was right about heroes but for some reason the fact that he killed people means we don't have to think too hard about the fact that hero society is blatantly corrupt I guess.
That said, Stain was an unstable idiot whose brilliant plan of killing random dudes accomplished nothing and everyone in lefty spaces forgets that he wasn't against the idea of heroes, he wanted a government regulated occupation to be replaced by something closer to comic book heroes ie self-organizing vigilantes. He wasn't some based anti-cop guy, just a delusional idealist.
No.8873
>>8871I agree with the first half of your post I disagree with the other half;
>an unstable idiotHe was unstable but hardly an idiot, he was just tired of all the shit so he decided to cut-down the corruption until someone took him down because he was tired and desperate to change things the only way he knew how.
>he wasn't against the idea of heroes, he wanted a government regulated occupation to be replaced by something closer to comic book heroesWrong. He was against that too. He wanted heroes who were heroes because they cared about people genuinely and only did their work for that, not for merchandising purposes or for glory like Endeavor.
>some based anti-cop guyNobody said he was, that was never the point
>a delusional idealistHe was an idealist, but I wouldn't say delusional.
No.8881
>>8827This. This. This.
What a great anime.
No.8886
>>8885True. Are they sentient?
No.8887
>>8886AFAIK they’re roughly as intelligent as dolphins or chimps
No.8888
>>8885Well according to the original lore (not prometheus shite) They were parasitic life-forms from a certain planet created as bio-weapons. They're animals, but also invasive species that destroy everything and then hibernate when there is no more food or breeding material.
>anti-colonial resistance fighters in Aliens, beating back the human invasion of their home only to be nukedThermonuclear take there. They're as much alien to the planet they crashed on as the human colonizers.
>>8886The Queen Alien is humanly intelligent but works on instincts. The Emperess and Queen Mothers are high-end human intelligence with telepathic qualities. The ordinary drones are chimpanzee level intelligence, able to figure out basic tech and how it works but not intelligent enough to do more.
I like Xenomorphs, but 99/100 they'll kill you or facehug you. 1/100 they'll fuck you and/or take you in.
No.8889
>>8888>The Queen Alien is humanly intelligent but works on instincts. The Emperess and Queen Mothers are high-end human intelligence with telepathic qualities. The ordinary drones are chimpanzee level intelligence, able to figure out basic tech and how it works but not intelligent enough to do more.Do we have examples of this in animals? I knew the xenomorphs had different classes and roles like ants but didn't know about their difference in intelligence.
No.8891
>>8888>putting tits on a parasitoidREEEEEEEEEE
No.8893
>>14879
>kills off the entire vanguard
LOL this meme again. I;'m sorry but your Menshevik opportunists were never the Vanguard
>Tsarist bureaucrats
The fuck are you even talking about.
Political purges aside, the military purges outright showed an improvement in all areas.
>they even almost raped his daughter to tow him in line
Holy fuck you really are off the deep end trying to make shit up.
>he enabled everything, even letting his best friends get killed
Ah yes, because Stalin is literal superman and can stop bullets fired across the city with his mind and is apparently god emperor
>a tool
Yeah you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
No.8896
The bad guy from short lived show "the brink".
>become president of Pakistan
>immediately try to nuke Israel
2based2live
No.8898
>>6598All of which is undermined by his fetish for murdering superheroes, which was of rather dubious utility in testing his creations.
There's no evidence that he would actually equalise humanity through his technology - he revels in his superiority, would he ever give it up? The moment someone learnt to fly their rocketboots better he would create an improved version just for himself.
No.8908
>>8898>of rather dubious utility in testing his creations.Eh, it clearly showed their weakpoints and thus what problems to address.
>There's no evidence that he would actually equalise humanity through his technologyHe outright states that when he's done playing hero and taking out supers, he'll sell his inventions so that EVERYBODY can be super, and so when everyone is super, no-one will be. Uravnovilovka through a sort-of transhumanism.
No.8985
>>8827Based. Cantus users were horrible to the bakenezumi.
What I didn't understand from the show is
why didn't the cantus users slaughter all non cantus users after turning them into bakenezumi? What purpose does keeping them around fulfill when with their powers they don't even need a slave caste? No.9039
>>6680Honestly blizzard could do a joker-type sympathetic story for kel'thuzad with a plot like this. As it stands right now, it feels like it isn't fleshed out enough.
No.9041
>>8908The selling part just means that the bourgeoisie and their dogs will become gods, tho.
It is really bizarre, since The Incredibles obviously wants to be Randian, but all the bad bits are still just capitalism.
No.9230
She just wanted to take over the British Royal Family. I doubt she'd be a worse ruler than the current British Monarchy.
https://highschooldxd.fandom.com/wiki/Meredith_Ordinton Honestly while I expected there to be a part of DxD that would go to Britain simply because Ddraig and Albion are from there, I was rather disappointed just how much it glosses over the Royal Family and the fact that the CIA and MI-6 are aware of all 3 factions and are even part of them.
Also the Hero Faction to some extent, since their ideology rebels against all heirarchy and supernatural domination.
No.9559
I liked Bane
He caged corrupt cops
Exposed Corruption in government and held trials
And he doesn't afraid of nothing
Not to mention the faggot nolan tried to make him look bad as an allegory for occupy wall street and failed miserably
No.9563
>>9559Wasn't the thing about the nuke added because they realised Bane was too obviously the good guy so they had to add in something about random genocide for no reason to make him the baddy again?
No.9565
>>9563Honestly even with the nuke Bane is still better than Batman.
No.9570
>>9552There a similar video but in English?
No.9571
>>9570Not really, sorry. Most of the English videos ranting about Old Guard are mixed between /co/ reeing about it not being proper according to the original content, /k/ being mad that it has shite tactics and soldier-skill and /pol/ mad because they still haven't realized that porky uses idpol shit to make money off of drama.
No.9572
>>9571That's pretty wack ngl, there at least any more Russian (Or any other language) ones with English subtitles?
No.9573
>>9572Besides Kinokos and Kinomiraru, no, not yet. I hope Red Cynic does a review of it.
No.9577
I feel like this thread was made to harvest hot-takes and memes and ended up prompting genuine effort posts.
No.9652
>>9573>Red CynicAye, his videos are pretty good, at least, the ones that have been subtitled, although with YouTube shutting down Community made subs, I find it unlikely that it'll be given English subs
No.9655
General Adams from Killzone 1
No.9658
>>6680>>9039They are bringing him back in the latest expansion, and just like everything blizzard does lately, they will fuck him up.
No.9661
>>9656KANE LIVES!!!!! PEACE THROUGH POWER!!!!!
No.9982
Davy Jones was just given the short end of the stick and the true villain was Beckett who sought to control the Sea for the East India Company.
Davy Jones was at first a mortal pirate who fell in love with the sea (and thus the goddess Calypso). He agreed to ferry souls to the next world in return for meeting with her on land once every 10 years. To carry out the duty she charged to him, Calypso gave Jones the Flying Dutchman. He did the job faithfully for the first 10 years, ferrying the souls of those who died at sea over to the other side. After those 10 years were up he waited on land for Calypso to meet with him, but she never arrived. Enraged and betrayed, he gathered the first pirate lords/meeting of the brethren court and showed them how to bind Calypso into human form (Tia Dalma) to tear rule of the seas away from her as vengeance for not showing up after 10 years had passed. Heartbroken and racked by guilt Jones then carved out his heart and placed it into the dead man’s chest, burying it on Isla Cruces. He abandoned his duty in favour of torturing other sailors so that they might feel the same pain he was subject to, losing his humanity in the process, gradually turning into the monstrosity we see in the movies along with the Flying Dutchman.
https://pirates.fandom.com/wiki/Davy_Jones He's very much like Darth Vader: Both given the task of enforcing and helping that which their lives were dedicated to (Galaxy (Force) /Sea) They were both betrayed and lost the girl they loved and were left scarred an mutilated inside and out - becoming monsters.
Also he's a great Organ player
No.9986
>>9982Speaking of Pirates of the Caribbean, Captain Salazar wasn't much of a villainous villain really. All he wanted was revenge for being killed so horribly and what he was doing was essentially purging the seas of pirates because all they did was kill and pillage.
No.10114
>>10112It’s kinda wild to think most Karens were 80s bimbos that got drunk and did coke and took dick probably all at once just 30-odd years ago
No.10115
>>9986>Captain of a warship for the Spanish Empire<Not actually evil
<<Not guilty of rape and pillage
[X] Doubt
No.10332
>>9559I like the original Bane and his genius to rival Batman himself.
No.10340
>>8891>implying parasites can't be sexyHave you see rich Hollywood women?
No.10342
>>9652Can't people just download the community-made subs and re-upload them themselves?
No.10345
>>16554
>Future War 198X
No.10347
>>9797>literal fascist<the only villain with the ideology that the creators didn’t hate and in multiple times paint as good but misguided
<the only villain that the creators didn’t debased with bullcrap to make their ideology illegitimate
Fuck off retard.
>>9986>Spanish empire<not evil
Back to the pit Spaniard christfag.
No.10359
>>10347>hurr Kuvira is fascist<ur a retard
None of what you said is even remotely true faggot, this has been debunked on the vatar thread.
>Muh Spanish EMPIRE!!!!Way to strawman the post faggot.
1) the posts states "villainous villain" all we know about him is that he hunted pirates because they killed his family members and he wanted to remove their terror
2) Just because he isn't "le epic socialist comrade" doesn't make him a non-villain in the story. The only reason we are given to not like him is because he's going after characters of the series that people have grown to like, such as Jack Sparrow.
No.10373
>>6558>unironically sayin Sheev and not PalpatineCringe.
No.10435
>>6599>and selfish want for revengeThat's a based af reason
No.10436
>>8985To maintain an Other which to point out
No.10761
https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Warrior_Extermination_Mission The Wandering Ninja did nothing wrong. They just wanted somewhere to settle down and the only reason we care is because the Feudal Lord and his Tactician are shown as good people (and it involves the main characters so we root for them).
https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Watari_Ninja No.10813
>>10767I was laughing out loud when the main character was saying "wow you're using violence, doesn't that make you as bad as the founders?"
No.11191
>>10829First choice is literally every villain in ancient Greek literature and mythology.
No.11192
>>11191Actually no, one exception, Sisyphus. That fucker deserved what he got. Entropy is the greatest enemy of the tyrant and the greatest friend of the oppressed, and anyone trying to surpass it is a true villain. So long as men die, liberty will never perish.
No.11217
>>10829If you hold that New testament Satan and Old testament Satan are the same being Satan is about half as responsible as God for the suffering inflicted on Job and the pointless and extremely cruel deaths of his family, friends, livestock and servants/slaves
Apart from that Satan seems a pretty cool guy
No.11311
>>11217>held slavesThe mother fucker deserved it.
No.11335
>>10115We don't see any of that TBF
No.11336
Like every villain is actually based if youre not some retarded npc:
Sauron - based
Sith - based
Voldemort - based
No.11345
>>11336>Voldemort - based He represents a cross between the Nazis (ideologically) and the Nationalist IRA (action-wise), so wrong.
>Sith - basedIt's the ironic moment of "only sith deal in absolutes" because the Sith and Jedi are not black and white in their ideologies or actions.
>Sauron - basedAh yes, I too have read the Last Ringbearer
>>1214 No.11349
>>11345>The last ringbearerBear in mind that the Lord of the rings is written from the perspective of the Hobbits. Who have no interest in the wider conflict other than saving their home.
No.11352
>>11348What does this have to do with 17778?
No.11355
>>11336>Sith>BasedHow? Or rather, which sith? Though I'd argue they are all cringe. Jedi are bad as well due to their dogma and tendency to stagnate, but sith are just shit.
>Old SithLiteral crabs in a bucket ancaps. They would only get their shit together when either a) an significantlly more powerful sith that they couldn't drag down emerges and unites the others like Gengis Khan, or b) theybare near exrinction so one of the remaining ones rallied power around him. And even when they actually were powerful their sole goal was just to gorge themselves on material excess and please their egos as much as possible, literal porkies.
>New SithLess cringe because they at least got their act together and due to the rule of two can ensure far greater power in their hands. Goals are arguablly even worse than the old sith. While those where just egotistical ogres, these ones are solely moved by wanting to end entropy for themselves, which if I recal actually lead to them physically fucking up the galaxy. So not just porkies… silicon valley IT porkies that want to live forever.
Tge only good "sith" are people like Dooku the based nazbol, who pragmatically use the dark side, but not to gorge themselves and please their egoes, but to bring a wider collective boon. I think Revan is also like that, but I don't recal a lot about him.
No.11449
>>11355I havent read the EU because SW is cringe but Second trilogy is them ending the retarded priest Jedi caste as a necessary obstacle in their own self overcoming. Based nietzschean transhumanists. The rebels can get fucked for all i care.
No.11461
>>11355>Goals are arguablly even worse than the old sithDepends on the individual sith, plageious wanted to literally create a cybersyn planned economy which would so decisively end all strife that the jedi would be unneeded as mediators and eventually just would disband. others wanted to extend access to the force to all beings (with the caveat of making them adhere to the sith code of course), but then you had palpetine who was palpetine.
>I think Revan is also like that, but I don't recal a lot about him.Revan pragmatically adopted the dark side and formed his sith empire because after the lackluster preformance of the republic in the mandalorian wars he knew there was no way they could beat the oncoming sith empire under valkoryian, who was like palpetine but worse, literally ate whole planets to sustain his life-force.
No.11464
>>11449>Second trilogyD-do you mean the Disney Sequels? Are you alright in the head?
>Nietzsche is basedNo
>Transhumanism is goodI don't know where you see that in Disney Sequels, but no, transhumanism is almost always an easy set up for cyberpunk tier dystopia.
No.11472
>>6568LITERALLY. the protagonist is an actual CIA agent meddling in foreign elections. the movie is just one giant neocon propaganda film made for black people.
No.11475
>>11349And the Hobbits are based on rural Englishmen, who don't like changes in their lives.
No.11479
>>11464I think he means the prequels you dolt.
No.11498
>>11349>>11475The Hobbit and LotR are canonically written by the protagonists after the fact. Looking at the prose from that light, it's likely that the enemy factions are being described especially unfavorably, and the hobbits come across pretty racist.
No.11504
>>11479>PrequelsI hope so. Still doesn't make the transhumanism or Nietzsche ideology a good thing. LARPing ironically about the Empire is one thing, but it's not actually based
See
>>7677 >>6962 No.11529
>>6563https://youtu.be/3q6V_YtQ0pYthe old Planet of the Apes movies all had pretty good villains, most with justifiable motives to boot
No.11532
>>11498It's funny how Tolkien implies that if an orc actually manages to stop being evil, he simply becomes an Elf again.
The concept of a purely evil race is certainly an aspect Tolkien himself struggled with.
No.11544
>>11532While true, at the same time, Tolkien's dogmatic race views IN THE STORY are permissible because
A) he did not share this in his real-world view of other human races
B) Orcs and Elves are beings created by gods, who unlike mortal people can be pure evil and embody metaphysical concepts (evil and good).
No.11551
>>11532Doesn't the setting have orcs that just do their own thing and aren't loyal to Sauron at all? Just like how there are men who serve Sauron and men who don't.
>>11544>>11532Yeah, it's fine to posit a setting where there are different races who have certain innate qualities. Consider for instance a science fiction story where humans have been genetically engineered into a caste system with effectively different species.
Christian theology also has ideas about good and evil non-human races which is relevant to Tolkien's interests and at least partly an inspiration for his setting.
No.11552
>>11190>burgers act like heroes as usual>they get assblasted by a fucking nuke as a resultCOD4 was based.
No.11555
>>11551>a science fiction story where humans have been genetically engineered into a caste system with effectively different species. Like in In A New World?
No.11569
>>11532Yeah he changed the origin of orcs to corrupted men instead of elves but was unable to rewrite the Silmarillion before he died.
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/OrcsLook under origin.
No.11574
>>11544Orcs are Elves who are fucked, because they had to listen to Tolkien's version of Justin Bieber all day every day.
The entire army of darkness were a bunch of Beliebers really, who followed a fool who thought he is the hottest shit ever.
He was the favourite of Eru of course and had more leeway than the other 14. He wasn't even tied down by marriage like the others.
I believe Melkor is Eru himself who after getting banned actually found the Flame Imperishable, creating a stable time loop.
No.11575
>>11551Consider that Sauron is just a mere Lieutenant to Melkor and a legit order-obsessed turboautist to boot. The reason he defected in the fist place was because of the lack of the order. It fitted with the theme Tolkien tried to make with technological progress. Sauron was a servant of Aulë the Smith. While he as an inventor has good intentions, it can cause bad side effects, like the clockwork brained Sauron. Of note is also that Saruman was also a clockwork brained servant of Aulë and Aulë also created the clockwork brained Dwarves, whom Tolkien intended to be evil as well until he had a change of heart, but whose element you can still observe in the Silmarillon.
Even Tolkien made fun of him (and artificial languages) for creating the Dark Speech which the Orcs didn't bother to pick up. Aside from seething with evil, it was really inferior, and this was intentional on Tolkiens part.
No.11777
Killian from Spies in Disguise DNW
No.11791
>>11552>>11190Assad's speech during the "coup"
<Today, we rise again as one nation, in the face of betrayal and corruption!
<We all trusted this man to deliver our great nation to a new era of prosperity.
<But like our monarchy before the Revolution, he has been colluding with the West with only self interest at heart!
<Collusion breeds slavery! And we shall not be enslaved!
<The time has come to show our true strength. They underestimate our resolve. Let us show that we do not fear them.
<As one people, we shall free our brethren from the yoke of foreign oppression!
<Our armies are strong, and our cause is just.
<As I speak, our armies are nearing their objectives, by which we will restore the independence of a once great nation.
<Our noble crusade has begun.
<Just as they lay waste to our country, we shall lay waste to theirs.
<This is how it begins.
<[shoots western puppet in the face]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajr_XayCA_wAlso his movement's banner looks pretty based.
No.12082
Not really a villain but a movie
Song of the South
It's not that he's a jovial free man, it's that for some reason people kept spreading this rumor that the movie romanticizes Civil War era America and makes slavery "seem not so bad." The film takes place post civil war, there are no slaves, only sharecroppers. The idea that it glorifies slavery is a misconception caused by an erroneous report given by the NAACP's executive secretary, who had not even seen the film at the time of writing the report. Most of the opposition to the film at the time of it's release came from northerners and Californians who had a questionable understanding of the South and probably thought that everything South of the Mason-Dixon line was racist hicks and cousin incest. Again that's the misconception that's been spread, mostly because it's a case of "since no one in America has an easy way to seeing the movie the urban legends end up overwriting what the movie is really about".
If anything though Song of the South was the kind of movie that would have angered conservatives of its time simply for having a black actor who wasn't portrayed as a bootlicking slave or angry savage.
You wanna know the whole movie? The kids in the movie literally all gather around Uncle Remus to here him tell traditional African-American stories about Brer Rabbit. The whole point of the film and the book (yes, like all Classic era Disney animation, it was based on a book) was to share the oral traditions of the post Civil War freedmen. It's even implied that the main kid's dad is an anti-racism newspaper editor and it's not just white kids listening to his stories.
To quote someone else's comment quoting Lindsay Ellis:
"Song of the South promotes the negative stereotype that black people are boring."; it's not as racist as the legends say, but it's also not a very interesting movie compared to better works like Disney's American Legends. I saw some people theorizing that those things combine are why it hasn't ever been re-released; the possible fallout for something so mediocre and memed about just isn't worth it for Disney. I personally think it should just be on Disney+ with the same insensitivity warning that's on several other things, but I doubt it will ever happen.'
It's interesting to note that James Baskett was the first African-American actor to receive an Academy Award for his "able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus in 'Song of the South,' friend and storyteller to the children of the world."
Song of the South should not be hidden from public viewing (I mean you can watch The Birth of a Nation on multiple streaming platforms, including for Free with Amazon Prime video) and people should view it before making assumptions.
>Inb4 "muh racism" or "Disney-fag"This has nothing to do with 'defending' Disney or 'racism' but with the merits of the movie itself.
https://www.songofthesouth.net/movie/biographies/baskett.html No.12095
>>11190The fact that every villain in modern burger media is someone explicitly fighting for liberation from western imperialism let’s you know how spiritually and mentally corrupted and twisted burgers truly are.
This is like, imagine the Nazis won WWII and decades later made video games about slaughtering entire cities of wicked Jews plotting to nuke the Reich
Such fucking despicable trash, it’s like everything that comes out of Burgerstan is designed to be utterly detestable to anyone with a semblance of a conscience.
No.12104
>>12095Now that goodguy Biden is back, can't wait for the second wave of Homeland-esque CIA whitewashing shows.
No.12206
>>12104I can smell the glowfaggotry coming over the horizon.
No.12246
>>12095Name some examples.
No.12611
>>12095Now that I think of it, I don't think popular US media has anyone like Chirico Cuvie from Armored Trooper that was a fascist mech ace with PTSD that became a one man army to kill his former fascist comrades to deal with said PTSD. Or Crinn Cashim from Dougram that was the son of the a colonial governor that became a rebel mech ace once he learned his farther was an asshole imperialists that committed a military coup against the local goverment.
No.12613
>>12611Weren't both of those shows directed by the same guy?
No.12663
> Madara Uchiha cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi upon the world in an attempt to bring an end to all conflicts. >Garyō believed that Madara's goals were admirable and could be achieved through different means. >In Garyō's view, the conflicts that Madara wanted to end were caused by money: money created inequality, bringing happiness to those with money and unhappiness to those without it. >In order to free the world from money's influence, Garyō formed the Ryūha Armament Alliance. In theory this dude is based, unfortunately, because the Japanese apparently can't write revolutionaries, they way they go about it is terrorism of Land of Waves… a literal backwater that has comparatively little strategic, economic or political value, and would be easier to convert into followers than bother with unnecessary murders and terrorism against the proletariat and peasantry.
https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Ry%C5%ABha_Armament_Alliancehttps://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Gary%C5%8D No.12665
>>19226
It's not from Boruto you retard, it's from the Kakashi Hiden novel which, like all the Hiden novels was illustrated and overseen by Kishimoto.
No.12666
>>6680Kel'Thuzad is a bitch, hes my pet.
its very hard to take seriously the lore of a boss once you can have them as a pokemon
No.12668
>>6631>Christopher "I stabbed a Nazi in the chest so I know what being stabbed sounds like Peter" LeeI remember being like 11, me and my dad watching the 6 hour behind the scenes lotr dvds and that coming up. its stuck with me to this day, hes so fucking badass.
No.13193
Reposting about Megatron from the Batman thread
Transformers Prime (2011): Season 1 and 2 of that show were great and Megatron in that show was one of the best depictions; intelligent, clever, powerful and with an imposing, yet sleek design. More importantly however, he was expanded on as a character., becoming more than a stereotypical "I'm evil just because!" of the 80s. He was a former slaveesque miner who was thrown into gladiatorial fights in the pits of Kaon on cybertron. There his skill as a fighter led to triumph, becoming its champion. His popularity grew to the point where he rallied support from the citizens of Cyberton, using his charisma and oratory skill. He led them against the cybertronian council; corrupt and hierarchical, to demand change. However he was corrupted by the greed for power, and lacked political savviness unlike his upper-class Archivist protege Orion Pax, thus leading to a path of darkness and fascism as the latter became selected to be a Prime (becoming Optimus Prime). This lead to the civil war in which Optimus became leader of the Autobots (and where the old caste system was thrown away in the face of war), and becoming the new face of the people.
In other words, a people's hero had his path as a revolutionary turn to the darkness of fascism and his class-traitor protege became the new people's hero and revolutionary, quite similar to real life revolutions among humanity (something pointed out by the show).
This is an ironic change since G1 Orion Pax (pic 4) was originally a dock-worker autobot (since autobots and decepticons are separate peoples for some reason). He idolized Megatron and the re-risen Decepticons as new and improved due to their ability to fly as well as also being able to transform like their autobot counterparts (because originally decepticons could not transform). Only to be revived as Optimus Prime when Megatron raided the energon warehouse he worked at.
Megatron meanwhile was essentially like the Nazis, intent on reviving the decepticon people and being rulers of cybertron, essentially mirroring fascist cries of 'reviving the greatness of the past'. Orion's infatuation was part of fascism's populism before reality showed the error in that belief.
No.13216
reposting from Batman thread:
https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/KGBeast >The Hammer* general, angry that the Soviet government was working to better relations with the United States, sends Knyazev on an unauthorized mission to kill 10 high-ranking U.S. officials, ten key people who were involved with the United States' Strategic Defense Initiative, nicknamed the "Star Wars" program, in the hope of putting an end to it. <Despite [Gorbachev's] Soviet Government warning the United States, he successfully assassinated 7 targets
Absolute Mad lad. Reminds me of the Remont Four from Marvel Earth 616.
*The Hammer is a fictional cell in the KGB
also see
>>1147 No.13639
>>8827>>8830Squealer really fucked up by pointlessly antagonizing Yakomaru (you can see him getting off to Y's humiliation during the council meeting), and then not finishing the job and making sure he's dead. So in a way he can be read as a tragic hero, whose fatal flaw was pride.
This being said, it was a miracle that the revolution didn't go tits up long before came the meddling kids and their talking wolf. If the "fiend" accidentally killed one of the queerrats masquerading as humans, or a human mistook her for a queerrat from afar, it would be all over in an instant.
No.13640
>>13639derp, I meant Kiroumaru, of course.
No.13649
Most of the antagonists ITT did wrong shit while having mostly correct ideals and that's how propaganda works. I'm so tired of vaguely leftist villains who then go and kill random people just to instill in the person consuming media the idea that he's actually wrong.
No.13651
Not a villain but Doomguy got transferred to Mars because he tried to frag his superior officer for ordering a war crime.
>>13649This shit goes back at least as far as Crime and Punishment.
No.13653
>>13651Doomguy was originally based on Vietnam Vets and the common occurrence of fragging there.
No.14674
>>14621What about the part where he was about to blow up two ferries full of people to make a point (both of whom refused to blow up the other ferry)
No.14684
>>14621Dude’s is a retard with a Hollywood level of anarchist theory.
>anarchism is chaos No.14718
>>6570Vibranium weapons are supposed to be so advanced, they're practically like having super powers. Half of Captain America's "superpowers" is just "he has a vibranium shield".
No.14813
>>14803that's some fine-ass fanart
No.15102
>>12771Kane quite literally did nothing wrong.
Look at where Tiberium research was in C&C Renegade, Dr. Petrova is literally a superhuman powered by tiberium, and as of Tiberian Sun they're attempting to deploy the World Altering Missile to change literally everyone so that they're all incredibly powerful and capable of easily fighting off the Scrin harvesting team and hijacking their ships, which was supposed to become Command and Conquer's version of the Golden Path as humanity is forced to abandon its singular planet it resides on to begin taking the entire galaxy.
No.15114
>>15113The whole point of the comic flew over your head if you actually think this
No.15116
>>15114Maybe, I read it at work. But he's still better than the likes of Rorschach and the comedian.
No.15556
>>10114Its sad. Aging is such a tragedy.
No.15564
>>15114From the bunch of sociopaths and failures around him he is the more admirable. But frankly, if there is a point I missed too I would like to know it.
No.16120
>>15564The whole pirate comic parallels Ozymandias, with the implication that his plan either won't work or is based on false premises.
On a grander level he's just taking the superhero idea of using violent force to protect the status quo to it's furthest extent.
No.16349
>>16347Really, that retard that thinks it’s because of “muh boomers” instead of the capitalist system that caused it?
Tsukasa is an idealist retard who completely blames technology instead of capitalism like so many primitivist reactionaries.
No.16352
>>16349Of course, but the way I like to think about it is that that's just because the story's writer is clearly a colossal musk fanboy-tier lib. There's no way the antagonist is ever gonna actually be good when he's written by his ideological enemies into a strawman.
Besides, I give the guy some slack on the basis that unlike literally every single primitivist tard in real life, this man actually is a colossal chad who can somehow kill lions with his bare hands.
No.16353
>>16349Tsukasa is essentially the lib writer's idea of what revolutionary leftists are like. You'll see Tsukasa be literally anti-science, meanwhile the liberal order worshipping guy is the path to progress, which obviously couldn't be farther from the truth.
However the sheer audacity of the writer actually pushes me to still side with the retarded anarcho-primitivist, consider it a rebellion against the author's narrative itself.
No.16354
>>16353>the liberal order worshipping guyWhich character would that be?
The manga missed a golden opportunity for some interesting drama and character development recently that really disappointed me.
No.16355
>>16354the main character of course. he's pretty much the archetypical modern day "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" type lib. Good intentioned, but also a total moron. I'm willing to bet the writer jerks off hard to elon musk.
No.16356
>>16355The only hint of liberalism I've encountered is that weird thing they did with currency when recruiting that rich guy to be ship captain.
No.16366
>>16353Interesting. You know I so want to write my own little AU of Dr. Stone where it turns out that not only living humans get petrified but also humans that were embalmed in a certain way. Perhaps a certain Revolutionary gets revived from their stone prison and leads the Russian people to the stars once again?
Would be interesting in that AU when Senku makes his radio and he does hear the Why-Man's voice but when pointing it to the northwest he hears a certain song playing on the radio after a interval signal plays…
No.16368
>>16366 (Me)
Sorry posted version of the vids without sounds before, fixed them.
No.16452
>>16356He's a liberal because he has no interest in making sure the new world will be any different from the capitalism of the old, he just wants to awaken everyone and return to status quo. The antagonist might be a brainless primitivist idiot, but at least he's got the right idea in the sense that he understands the fact that they literally have free reign to create a new kind of humanity from scratch without a bloody revolution instead of just returning to the old.
No.16453
>>16366>You know I so want to write my own little AU of Dr. Stone where it turns out that not only living humans get petrified but also humans that were embalmed in a certain way. Perhaps a certain Revolutionary gets revived from their stone prison and leads the Russian people to the stars once againBased.
No.16454
>>11311But his slaves didn't.
No.16459
>>16366sounds fun
who is getting revived
No.18450
>>16347So basically a twitter liberal, so definitely a villain who does everything wrong with false virtues, gotcha.
No.18451
>>14708He was weaker than normal superman because plot and there were all sorts of dumb "muh communist dictatorship" garbage thrown in to make him look bad.
No.18453
>>14621He's an attempted mass murderer who kills for fun essentially because he's utterly mad. He's not supposed to have "done nothing wrong" because the point he brought across was a conflict of falsely dichomatic ideology of humans being civilized vs being animals pretending
No.18455
>>18454>toys aren't real<physical objects aren't there! There's a difference between breaking a toy accidentally and intentionally mutilating a toy, the latter displays sadistic, psychopathic tendencies.
No.18462
>>18455>kids aren’t allowed to be creative >let’s anthropomorphize branded products Yes let’s bully a poor ass kid with an abusive alcoholic father that vent his frustration with his creations. I guess kids making scale models and blowing them up for fun are also monsters? Or model builders that rip apart toys to make miniatures?
You guys are blind if you don’t see the obvious capitalist propaganda in everything Disney does. The first toy story was literally consumerism = good, diy = bad.
No.18466
>>18455I was kidding but the point I was trying to get across is that toys aren't sentient beings. Also, this
>>18462Sid did nothing wrong, he was just a kid. When he grew up he ended up as a garbage collector who apparently has grown out of his troubled/"psychopath" kid phase but still has a shitty life. However it's likely that they tried to frame this as some well-deserved fate for "hurting" some magical sentient toys that he rightfully thought were supposed to be inanimate, since toys try as hard as they can to remain motionless in front of humans to not break the illusion for
some fucking reason.
No.18471
>>18466>toys aren't sentient beings Not in our world perhaps (or to our awareness) but it is in Toy Story, and even if this held true, breaking and demeolishing toys for fun is unhealthy
>t's likely that they tried to frame this as some well-deserved fate I don't see how, when the point of the first movie was literally "play nice", they eve did this WITH Sids toys to teach him not to abuse theme. Moreover we don't actually know if it was Sid, it was an Easter Egg of a shirt.
>for some fucking reason. We don't know the reason but I expect it could just as well be the risk of scaring kids or provoking the adults.
>>18462> an abusive alcoholic father that vent his frustration with his creationsI'm just going to point out that while that MAY be a reason, it is not an excuse. We don't see the Mother or Daughter acting remotely like him.
>Muh models Those aren't toys and are usually created with being destroyed in mind
>see the obvious capitalist propaganda Capitalism wants you to buy more and to buy more your possessions have to break or be devalued to make you want to possess more, promoting a fantasy that they're alive and you shouldn't hurt them is counter productive to that idea. Hell it is actually very leftist idea to try and make things last longer by using them carefully instead of utilizing things with wild abandon
>first toy story was literally consumerism = good, diy = bad That's literally wrong even from a marxist perspective, Sid isn't DIY, he's being destructive, buying things t not taking care of them properly.
Lastly It's Not That Deep People - It's a children's movie about living toys and a story about their hidden lives, Sid is an antagonist, not an outright villain, because it's not a story about Heroes and Villains, but about Old vs New and how that is a false dichotomy.
No.18661
>>9982>Davy JonesLiteral self-hating cuck
>>Davy Jones: and finally, when we could be together again, you weren't there. Why weren't you there?>>Tia Dalma : It is my nature. Would you love me if I was anything but what I am? He loved her for being a sloot then was angry that she turned out to be a sloot.
No.18663
>>18471>breaking and demeolishing toys for fun is unhealthy Sounds too autistic for me man. Toys aren’t alive unlike small animals. So it’s good for a kid to try pushing the play abilities of a toy to its limits. I’ve seen creative kids that cut soldier toys in half and added bits and bobs to it to create battle scenes. Or maybe convert some goofy toys into monsters and miniatures. Hell toys can still be alive and well afterwards. None of the toys he “killed” are truly dead, they’re still there as the movie showed.
>Capitalism wants you to buy more and to buy more your possessions have to break or be devalued to make you want to possess more, promoting a fantasy that they're alive and you shouldn't hurt them is counter productive to that idea. When has capitalism ever exist rationally? Reminder that Toy Story belong in the long line of bourgeois movies that anthromorphosize products for advertising. Also toys especially has another side of it as collectibles, they want you to think that they have more value than the cheap plastic that made it.
>it is actually very leftist idea to try and make things last longer by using them carefully instead of utilizing things with wild abandonSince when? All I see of people who preserve things based on nothing but nostalgia are extremely reactionary.
>Lastly It's Not That Deep People - It's a children's movie about living toys and a story about their hidden lives<Implying story tropes came out of the writer’s mind entirely without the already existing material conditions that mold them into using the tropeEverything has a subtext to it. It’s fine for you to not care about it but saying that it doesn’t exist is just laughable.
>>18661More like a weird volcel that can’t get over a break up.
No.18672
>>18663>Toys aren’t alive unlike small animals But when you're a child, playing pretend if part of it, and in Toy Story THEY ARE alive.
> it’s good for a kid to try pushing the play abilities of a toy to its limits Again, it's not breaking a toy while playing that's a problem, even if that sucks, it's just blowing shit up "for fun" that is fucked up.
>creative kids that cut soldier toys in half and added bits and bobs to it to create battle scenes But that's a battle scene, not just destroying toys for the fun of it
>None of the toys he “killed” are truly deadLiterally half the toys he busted are only alive because they're put back together. He nuked a soldier at the start with nothing left and abandoned other toys in the mud where they lay forgotten.
>When has capitalism ever exist rationally Capitalism isn't the Joker; an insane person. Capitalism is a system based on the rational self-interest of the capitalist class and depends on the promotion of ideas of capitalist consumption.
>oy Story belong in the long line of bourgeois movies that anthromorphosize products for advertising 1) children do this all the time without any advertizing. I was doing that to cars literally decades before Cars came out. It has been exploited into being about toys because it's created under capitalism and so must exploit culture to this purpose, thus the numerous Toy Story rip-offs that ARE just advertisements (such as the Emoji 'Movie')
>as collectibles, they want you to think that they have more value than the cheap plastic Again, both the second and first Toy Story movie promote messages against this with the main anatagonist being a collector and salesman of antiques and Andy giving away his toys at the end of the 3rd movie.
>people who preserve things based on nothing but nostalgia are extremely reactionary That's not what reactionary means and preserving/conserving something is not automatically reactionary, to assume otherwise is inane ideological dogmatism.
>Muh material conditions for tropes For fucks sake not this again
>dozent exist The point isn't that it exists or not, the point is that in the case of this film it doesn't fucking matter.
No.18674
>>18661>>18663>Cuck cuck cuck<incel, volcel, femcel Can you people think in terms outside memes and buzzwords? Do you even understand the meaning of these words or just think "they relate to people relationships failing, so they must apply!"
Did you even watch the movies, or are you just stuck in a perpetual circlejerk of mocking everything you see
(because you're self-hating yourselves?) >loved her for being a sloot <imagine being so sex-obsessed that you simplify everything to such a base level It's a romanticism about a sailor's tragic love of the sea, with magic and other insanity thrown in, anthropomorphizing it. Have you people fallen in love before and known how irrational it can be?
>can’t get over a break up.That's not what it was at all. Imagine you have a girlfriend or wife, who promises loyalty as you do your duty to her and the people of the sea, then you come back after waiting and working so long to find her gone, abandoning you and your sacrifice and betraying your love and efforts. Are you supposed to just accept it lying down like a dog? Or does this only matter if its the man who betrays the woman?
The idea that the worst hatred originates from love is a story as old as human society.
No.18703
>>18672>>18663I'm just going to clarify since I realize I may not have gotten my point across and this has led to a bit of a derail in regards to Sid. Sid isn't a villain by human standards, and his behavior makes sense. He appears as a villain to the toys, because he is destructive on purpose. However he is not aware that the toys are alive and clearly his parents did not discipline him to value and cherish his play-things and not just arbitrarily break them. So my point about him being not an example of "nothing wrong" is merely that he did do something wrong, but isn't aware or fully responsible.
No.18705
>>6595The franchise is, but people have only HEARD of it, but barely know about it outside of "humans appear in a society of apes who rule humans". Few people would even know who Doctor Zaius is today if you mention him without explicitly explaining where this character is from.
No.18709
>>18706>nothing about the burger south that isn't tied to slavery Amazing historical stupidity. Imagine being unable to understand the difference between porky socio-economic bullshit, and ordinary workers. Imagine thinking that the culture of African-Americans is 'nothing'. By your logic there is nothing about Africa except slavery nd violence too, or need I remind you who sold slaves to the slavers?
No.18766
>>18758critical solidairty with comrade robtnik
No.18777
>>18757>Zaheer the anarchist who literally did nothing but create a power vacuum and essentially enable utter misery. Fuck no.
>>18758Outside of the SAT AM cartoon, Eggman is pretty much a humanitarian who realized that people and governments are impossible to rely on and so elected to become supreme leader with Cybersyn organization. His Grandfather was similar until he went batshit and created a moon-busting weapon.
No.18870
he was on that sigma grindset
No.18873
>>18868his design was fire
what is the economic system in the world of kung fu panda
why were the pandas genocided
No.18893
>>18873Basically the economic system is generic feudal rice farming with no industry. The Peacock royal family had the only city with any major production and it was used for frivolities like fireworks. Their son (Shen) wanted to make his parents proud, make utility of this innovation and spread this to all China, but to do so he needed to conquer it and establish industrial production. The Pandas were farmers but it was predicted that a "warrior of black and white" would beat Shen (basically it was a self-fulfilling prophecy thing).
No.18895
>>18893damn
kung fu panda is feudalist apologia
No.18899
>>10359link to debunk in avatar thread pls
No.18903
>>18899…. just open the Avatar thread and CTRL+F the term
Kuvira No.18904
>>18903>>18899 On second thought there is a lot of discussion there (and even more that discussed hinduism in depth got deleted because of Melon-faggot, dammit)
https://leftypol.org/hobby/res/2562.html#8953https://leftypol.org/hobby/res/2562.html#2889 No.18909
>>18757Most of Kora’s villains are just a liberal flanderization of the ideologies oppose the them:
>the equalists are communists but hypocrites >the black lotus are anarchists but retarded>the earth empire are fascist ethnic supremacists that are good but “went too far” (because the guys that created the show love Israel)Notice that the only ideology that got portrayed in a positive light is fascism.
No.18912
>>18907I mean both are my posts lol
>>18909>fascism<in positive light intentionallyI already argued about it not being fascism before. Kuvira isn't fascism at all, she wasn't installing private interests or promoting ethnic discrimination, she was uniting under a collectivist rule a country, at worst she was a nazbol, though there is an entire reddit post made by a comrade, which explicitly argues and explains her parallels to Stalin.
No.18916
>>18909>Kay And Skittlesbreadtube bad
No.18919
>>18912>I mean both are my posts lolthank butt rude
No.18940
>>18938>>18939Take this "muh South" shit to /leftypol/
No.18942
>>18940no u
i don't get butthurt with idpol over based rednecks
No.18944
>>18942I'm not against rednecks, retard, I'm the one who made the post on Song of the South and told Sherman-poster to fuck off, this just isn't the thread for discussing the South.
No.18945
>>18943He's an antagonist, which can be, but is not necessarily the same as a villain. Ergo he's did nothing wrong and was never a villain to begin with.
No.18948
>>18944>this just isn't the thread for discussing the South.tell that the other user, my post was just about rednecks lel
No.18950
>>18943why is this movie about the director and his mother
No.18955
>>18950It's more about the struggle to not be a failson and what makes a man worthy of respect in his community but every artist weaves a bit of themselves in their pieces
No.19000
Perseus and Bell were comrades
-Finishing Adler
-Perseus treats Bell like a HUMAN BEING
-Bell's real comrades don't betrayed him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b_ZAM5qUdU No.19374
>>19000Based Trips, go Stalin's Son!
No.19378
>>16120>>15564>>15114>>15113The point is that building the future on a lie makes it dangerously fragile if/when the lie is exposed. Thinking you can just solve the balance of powers problem is childish. This is reflected when Ozy asks Dr. Manhattan if he did the right thing "in the end" and the response is "You don't get it. Nothing ever ends." He didn't create a solution, just stuck his finger in the leaky dam (at the cost of
millions of lives). And it's sealed at the end when Rorschach's journal (documenting everything) arrives at a newspaper, because like someone with a working brain he sent it off before going with Nite Owl to confront Ozy.
No.19380
>>19000Raven is just incredibly based whenever they get full reign of a project. Singularity was even better, a shame that it’s too short.
No.19382
>>19380Yep. Honestly its one of the best AU storylines.
No.20594
>>8810he literally died because he wouldn't let anyone into his tard chamber and locked up all the best doctors because they were jewish hes not that great anon
No.20595
>>20594He died because he was poisoned, likely by beria and other opportunists
>locked up doctor's for being JewishDidn't happen.
No.22726
>>20594Incorrect
>>20595Correct
No.22891
>>22882Grievous was based and fought the Huk bug savages.
No.22998
Mayor Lionheart (kind of secondary red herring antagonist) did nothing really wrong, he tried to contain the panic and racial distrust that ended up happening.
No.23991
>>18868>just wanted to unite and industrialize China>industrializeas an anarcho-primitivist, I think she was the bad guy
No.27638
>>23991>she I hope that's a typo
No.27640
>>6584>no mention that Big Boss was a CIA agent in the 1960s at the height of cold war tensionsopinion discarded!
No.27644
>>27641Some people speculate that originally she was going to turn out to be a villain (sort of a reverse of Zuko), and that you can see them setting this up in the first book. The whole show had a lot of rewrites, but especially the first book because it was originally just going to be a limited series.
No.27648
>>27641You took this from the Avatar thread didn't you and ya didn't link the based 8 trips ? Shame on ya!
>>2888 No.27649
>>27640You do realize that the CIA has its traitors too yes? Ames ring a bell?
No.27695
>>18674> That's not what it was at all. Imagine you have a girlfriend or wife, who promises loyalty as you do your duty to her and the people of the sea, then you come back after waiting and working so long to find her gone, abandoning you and your sacrifice and betraying your love and efforts. Are you supposed to just accept it lying down like a dog? Or does this only matter if its the man who betrays the woman? So you just
>Point out that Davy Jones got cucked<Continue arguing he wasn’t a cuck No.27703
>>27695How is it cuckoldry if there's no BVLL doing the cucking? Otherwise it's just your gf leaving you.
No.27718
>>27695>Point out that Davy Jones got cucked Cuckoldry: the practice of making cuckolds; SEXUAL conquests of married women.
Cuckold: A man whose wife is SEXUALLY unfaithful, often regarded as an object of derision.
Calypso was not sexually unfaithful, she reneged on their agreement by not standing by him as he had stood by her. This is not cuckoldry.
No.27726
>>27648i actually had this image saved from another site and didn't know it was also posted in the avatar thread lol
No.27737
>>27726You save files as ClipboardImage ?
No.27738
>>27737no but I paste them instead of uploading them
No.27748
>>22882He got all those monks in Coruscant.
Would have made Mao proud
No.27754
>>27744Is A Clockwork Orange good? I've only seen Dr Strangelove.
No.27755
>>27754Yeah, it's a very un-subtle counterargument against the book, which was saying some people are just bad. In the movie it's made crystal clear the delinquent kids are at the mercy of adults who get off on mistreating them and blaming the victim.
Alex's teacher literally molests him as he delivers lines from the book about how the kid is a degenerate who won't amount to anything. No.27776
>>27753because instead of browsing my images as thumbnails, I often browse through an image viewer, and then right click copy it when I find the one I'm looking for
No.29724
>>29722 Yeah I enjoyed reading the RPG, but I don't have time to play them. It's much more interesting and aesthetically fitting compared to the more recent vidya like Fireteam.
No.31894
>>27639 The Superhero genre, the moment it becomes large-scale, immediately hits a barrier of Supers being the reinforcement, the policing force of the status quo. Either that, or you get a Saturday Cartoon villain that's evil for the giggles or generic reasons, and that can't fly for an attempt at more 'mature' stories (this forgetting the fact that by nature of superheroism being an escapist fantasy, realism is often impossible).
No.31974
probably the bioshock infinite revolutionaries
No.31975
>>27744Joker is the only one I kind of find in a grey area. He does come across as weirdly sympathetic to me despite not identifying with him personally.
No.31976
>>6555I better see Megatron when I open this thread, seriously, the man was pretty based.
No.33204
>>14718 Except Captain America is a super-soldier, h has the physical capability & the tactical skill to use a fairly limited piece of gear in inventive ways (using it as a bludgeon, blocking insane attacks like Mjolnir & using it as a reflector for lasers, not to mention an ad-hoc sled etc.) A gun is a gun, unless its is utilized by a similarly strong character, it's not going to make a big difference from the mass of arms already out there. A more powerful gun is not a big deal because the importance is the person using it.
No.33793
>>27639superhero movies are moralist fables, turns out moralists only want to change the appearance of things, not how they actually are
No.34898
>>31976See
>>13193>>31978 Oh, huh. I wonder if /pol/ noticed and had a field day over this in "muh jooz" circlejerking.
No.35926
>>6555>Dindu Nuffin What are those, do they taste good?
No.35927
>>34898>I wonder if /pol/ noticed and had a field day over this in "muh jooz" circlejerking. 2 months later and I can confirm that yes, 4chan took the mickey out of Bowser destroying the Jewish Penguins.
No.35930
>>33793I wish they'd get Zack Snyder to do a shot for shot remake of Miracle Man where he personally kills a bunch of Nazis and then personally tells Margaret Thatcher to shut the fuck up because it's Full Communism Time.
No.35946
>>35930>>35930>a shot for shot remake of Miracle ManThe Chinese could do it. Big Chinese movies are now god tier for technical capabilities.
No.36065
>>33792Why does mythology generally portray humans attaining fire and such as some kind of theft against the gods done through trickery?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_fireIt seems obvious that these stories have a common origin, but where does the idea come from that fire was stolen specifically or that humans having fire is against the natural order?
No.36067
>>36065In part I'm guessing because the first fires would have been a result of natural occurrences, lightning strikes, heat-based wildfires etc. Then when humans learned to created fire through accident or effort, it was essentially a power of nature taken under control creatively by the hands of man, so now mankind could create what was previously jurisdiction of the gods.
Secondly the idea of stealing it from the gods also comes from the the narrative of intelligence and creative thinking overcoming even divinity and nature - thus the weak, mortal humans, taking from the immortal, all-powerful gods.
No.36325
>>8871anime christopher dorner?
No.36357
>>36065cooking food with fire was literally one of the first technologies, possibly
the first so the entire human species has it as a collective myth that
>>36067>the first fires would have been a result of natural occurrences, lightning strikes, heat-based wildfires etc. Then when humans learned to created fire through accident or effort, it was essentially a power of nature taken under control creatively by the hands of man, so now mankind could create what was previously jurisdiction of the gods. No.36376
>>27639I often think about how the first Superman comic involved him arresting a war lobbyist and torturing him. It was like they couldn’t deal with Superman dealing with real problems at home so they needed him to fight aliens, both literally and figuratively, instead. The first couple years of his comic history had a working class slant.
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