ITT "villains" who did nothing wrong.
>>6555>sell my inventions<not give it to everyone for free
Cringe and unbased.
>>6593>His entire motivation was selfish anyway.As he says in the movie, "When everyone's super, no-one is." This is supposed to be read as evil and destroying individuality as the typical anti-communist shit, but this is complete trash. If you look at the superheroes in the story they are much more individual than the normal people who are actively portrayed as bland. He doesn't want to destroy individuality but to make people
more individual
and have the same level of power. His motivations are only "selfish" insofar as he is part of the un-powered masses and has seen for himself the consequences of this. Just like in capitalism the masses depend on someone above them (capitalists or supers) to make their lives even possible. Capitalists are the gatekeepers of jobs - without them giving you a job you can't work to live. Supers are the gatekeepers of not getting killed by monsters. In the Incredibles world, normies are reduced to the victims and playthings of supers who are either "evil" (using powers to enrich themselves by attacking the status quo) or "good" (fighting the evil ones on behalf of the status quo and also getting rich for it). Syndrome wanted everyone to be on the same playing field for the sake of safety and personal/political power. The Incredibles wanted to preserve the divide between supers and normies because their self-esteem was based on feeling special and better than the normies.
>>6579Ace combat has such a weird obsession with anarchists. On one hand it paints them as the well meaning voice of reason, opposing the senseless slaughter that is war in strangereal but then in zero Pixy's solution to end the belkan war is just to nuke the world, wtf?
It reminds me of that guy in dr Stone who wants to kill all the adults so that property rights can't be reinstated.
It's like they have to make the communists/anarchists totally retarded in their methods to be able to present the status quo in a good light.
>>6556>>6558Eh, considering that Sheev established Fascism, I'm pretty sure that makes him an asshole
Unironically though, the CIS were the good guys who should've won
>>6607Isn't the whole point that he's
some kind of energy vampire?
>>6628>>6629Dooku was pretty cool.
Probably helped that he was played by Christopher "I stabbed a Nazi in the chest so I know what being stabbed sounds like Peter" Lee.
RIP ;_;7
Berlin, from Money Heist i.e. Casa De Papel.
Followed all the rules and was fair in his decisions and didn't lose his cool. Was polite, proud, refined and charismatic yet also intimidating strict and unyielding. A respectable if quirky man.
Pedro Alonso (who played Berlin) described him as "cruel, heroic, and funny at the same time".
Ironically a lot of media denounced him as cold and really misogynistic or derisive of others yet, he his 'derision' was merely a more polite method of insulting people who offended him. He is not mysogynistic so much as oddly chivalrous yet also assertive, he does not force people to do something (unless it is a critical situation) but convinces and gives them a choice, such as Arianna. He also has emotions and demonstrates frighteningly accurate understanding of how others think and feel and how to calm them or frighten them. He is analytical and intelligent, yet passionate and strange, creating an odd, mature character who I sympathize with.
>>6643Name one thing wrong with exterminating mortals
If global communism had been achieved he would never enact the zero mortals plan
Filthy NINGEN need not reply
CHAD SELFCEST GODKILLER IS INNOCENT
>>6646>Be a Kai>hate humans<post on a human site
Surely a god like yourself has something far 'superior'
>>6663s-shut up! NINGEN
Godchan is down for maintenance
>>6591> you can't keep creating new stuff without money to make more.<Not funding superpowered villains to takeover rather than LARPing as a hero.
Bruh. The guy is a literal billionaire. Engels was only a son of a rich factory owner and he funded multiple papers and leftist orgs.
>>6604The supers are like on the Batman thread epithemized the image of individual fascist actions to fix society. They do good because they can, no more motivations.
>>6634>if you don't support A, you must support B>muh binary logicBack to your containment threads Dengoid.
Here's an interesting one: Kel'Thuzad. While he is definitely not a "good" guy, his motivation is highly relatable and justifiable.
>Be a powerful and magically gifted individual who can come to a position where all the rot of the human kingdoms become apparent: labourers are overburdened and exploited while imprisoned Orcs are held in concentration camps. All the while human lords grow fat and abuse their power.
>Attempt to expand the known magical knowledge towards necromancy but get screwed over by the dogmatic order of the mages.
>Hear a powerful figure reach out for you. Investigate, discover the true power of the Lich King, and realize you need not be a servant, but can use this as a means to an end.
>Swear fealty to the Lich King and start spreading your own revolutionary doctrine throughout human lands: let us do away with the lords, with the social inequality, with death. Let us forever more be immortal and equal, in service of our new king, throw away the dogmatic superstitions of the Light and embrace undeath!
>Recruit many like minded followers. Eventually set of the events that will scour the corrupt old order from the face of the earth.
>To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss: all those who didn't accept the gift shall be wiped out by the plague and newly raised armies of undead, forced to serve the will of the master.
>Get killed, only to be resurrected and ascend to become a lich latter due to you invaluable service.
>Endear yourself to the princeling Arthas, make him your friend, and a suitable replacement for the original Lich King.
>Free the Scourge from any demonic control. Now it dictates its own future.
And here is his manifesto, "One Truth in Undeath":
<Behold the finest of ironies. The living ascribe unto undeath all the most sickly attributes of their own lives–hopeless servitude, savagery, stillness of the spirit. We serve! The living serve, too, though they serve kings, warlords, druids, priests, gods, men, and beasts. We serve only the mighty, unifying will of the Lich King, which compels us unto prosperity and unity!
<For all the endeavours of men, there exist only endless records of tragedy, cruelty, betrayal, and selfishness. For the Scourge, there is only efficiency and totality. Serve the Lich King in life, or serve him in death. His is a way of choice whose roads lead only to fulfillment!
<Cold in flesh, but warmed by unity, the mighty Scourge are one nation, one mind, one being. True cold dwells in the heartless gaze of the guards who turn away sickly refugees from their neighboring country in a time of war! Are not all men of one kind? Nay, divided in their icy hearts.
<Raise high our ideals, and bring low our foes! Fold their broken into our number until all serve the Frozen Throne!
>>12242Hello /pol/
>>6718>absence of herds would cause more plants to grow as grazing decreased.Aye, however that's not the point of the depiction. The idea here is that with Mufasa, the lions hunted enough to cull the herds and allow the grass to grow properly, and still not over-hunt them. Scar does not do this and ends up depleting the herds. The drought is a metaphor for his destructive rule rather than a direct consequence.
Also as
>>6721 points out its based on Hamlet and Macbeth and other Shakespearean plays on betrayal. However I disagree that it is monarchist propaganda so much as it is a monarchist idealism, something that is prevalent in fairy tales. Shakespear also challenges such ideas in other plays of his.
>>6607Is Madoka Magica a Satire of Capitalism?
There are a surprising number of similarities between the anime universe of Madoka Magica and our current economic system. I didn't just make this up, I've been thinking about it for a few months now. After sufficient time, I have made this completely up and even wrote a log line and story beats in case any aspiring script writers are interested in making an adaptation based on the idea. Here goes the theory…
First, the pun between a soul gem bearing magical girl and a singularly owned sole-proprietorship seems overly obvious, but it's just the tip of the iceberg for everything about the show being analogous to some economic feature or system. There is the feeding cycle between pedestrian consumers, witch corporations, and a magical girl sole-proprietorship; where people feed witches their money, defeated witches rejuvenate magical girls' spent assets, and occasionally a magical girl that loses faith in her cause becomes corrupted and incorporates into a publicly traded C-Corp… I mean, she transforms into a soulless witch.
Let's delve deeper into the contracts formed between incubators (QBs) and the magical girls (private, entrepreneurial citizens). There is nothing in a contract that obligates a magical girl to become a witch, it's simply the logical outcome of an indefinite period where specific circumstances will cause her to transform. This is similarly not a guaranteed requirement in the real world either. Indeed, Homura not only survived an indefinite number of iterations of her one month with Madoka and the others, she even proves that one need not ever transform based on her staying a magical girl past the end of the show (until the QBs forced her into a hopeless prison for the movie). The show had some natural deux ex machina law that required magical girls to transform, and reality could go in that direction too with specific circumstances. Let's say that a small business is failing and has a lot of debtors. Courts can seize the company (the owner's assets) and distribute either assets or revenues to debtors to settle the debt. If there is a single debtor, such as a bank, or is a single debtor with enough capital to buy out the others in exchange for exclusive control, such as a bank, then that debtor has total control to how the company ends its existence; which could include being sold to a venture capitalist, being incorporated and being sold via stock offering, or simply being liquidated for cash. Most banks will liquidate assets and hope to cover losses, but a savvy bank might invest in a freshly failed venture just to sell it on the stock market as a publicly traded corporation. Example: Warren Buffet's first business acquisition was an insurance company, and he bought it specifically because it had a high asset to debt ratio that he could leverage for other investments without breaking any laws. Any bank with a similar strategy might even write specific clauses to trigger this situation into their loan agreements; say for a certain asset to debt ratio or requiring minimum valuation to retain autonomy. The suspension in disbelief for this theory to work is that some bank out there would actually adopt the policy of investing in failure for hopes of a successful IPO. Failing that suspension of disbelief, we can still acknowledge that this could happen, even if we doubt that it would happen.
The fights between witches and magical girls is beautifully illustrated on screen, but all that magical flash could also just be an abstraction for the negotiations between businesses during a merger. This is especially relevant for a hostile take over. Let's say that a magical girl's sole-proprietorship wants to eliminate a witch's corporation from her city. The girl might try to buy out the corporation's stock or all the local franchises if she has a large enough magical bankroll to finance such an attack. She may also sabotage relations with vendors that the witch needs to operate by buying all the local stock or negotiating prices with those vendors to make corporate activities unfeasible. Introducing a competing product is an obvious strategy too, as would introducing an alternative product that obviates the corporate product line entirely. All of those activities are going to be expensive, and both magical girls and small businesses have a limited reserve for waging such a battle. But if she wins against the witch, and merges the ownership/market to exclusively herself, then the corporation's assets can be utilized or liquidated to replace the resources spent. When Homura defeated Charlotte after Mami's failure, she refused to give the witch seed to Sayaka and Madoka; which makes perfect sense if you envision an equivalent scenario where a purchased corporation is being asked to be given to lay persons that have no demonstrated business skills themselves.
Finally I draw attention to the heat death of the universe. The ticking clock that spells eventual doom for some later generation in the future. To say it slightly differently, let me introduce you to the national debt, a ticking clock that spells eventual ruin for some generation in the future. QB openly benefits from the energy released when a regular girl becomes a magical girl and whenever a witch is defeated then fed to him; but he also benefits from the much more profitable scenario of a magical girl transforming into a witch. Banks benefit when you park a large volume of cash into their reserves for regular business activities, for reasons that aren't relevant to this theory. But it very relevantly benefits from your regular payments on any loans you've drawn, loans which will be especially high if you're in the business of putting other businesses out of business. However, a bank could make the ultimate profit if it takes a nearly default company and sells it at an Initial Public Offering (IPO). This is where we get the best parallel between fictional story and real world events. Not only is that the transformation between both magical girls and witches, but also between singularly owned businesses and publicly traded corporations. Furthermore, Because all banks with US dollars purchase their dollars from the Federal Reserve (name is a misnomer, it is not a government entity), they directly owe the debt to the FedRes. So for as much as it is in the public interest to lower the national debt, it is a much greater prerogative for banks to control the expansion and possible contraction of the national debt.
QB sees that Madoka has potential to be a successful business owner. But he sees even greater potential from an IPO that will necessarily happen sooner or later.
What do you think? Have I been studying for my economics finals too long and I need to watch more anime instead; or am I an idiot for taking both Micro and Macro at the same time because "elective credits are always easy classes"? -OR- Is this an amazing theory that warrants re-watching the classic anime from a fresh perspective, because I'm so on point with my analysis?
>>6604They get a giant mansion in number 2 but thats funded by some trust fund kids that want to revive supers as a concept. You know what thinking back to that. A lot of the story didn't make sense. For instance
>>6598>normies are reduced to the victims and playthings of supers who are either "evil" (using powers to enrich themselves by attacking the status quo) or "good" (fighting the evil ones on behalf of the status quo and also getting rich for it). Syndrome wanted everyone to be on the same playing field for the sake of safety and personal/political power.Supers were already banned long before syndrome started putting his plan in place. The status quo seemed to chug along fine without the supers in fact. So much so the state was hiding them and making sure they couldn't use their powers. It was syndrome's grudge who revived the supers. He could have easily sold his technology and the state would have suppressed the supers for him. He recreated the conditions for supers coming back by unleashing that robot thing. Creating an existential threat that couldn't be handled by the state. Forcing the masses to turn to supers.
>>7655Stain is the typical example of a villain who has a good idea but "bad methods", and the "bad methods" are used to dismiss the good idea. It's even acknowledged by Iida and Midoriya that Stain was right about heroes but for some reason the fact that he killed people means we don't have to think too hard about the fact that hero society is blatantly corrupt I guess.
That said, Stain was an unstable idiot whose brilliant plan of killing random dudes accomplished nothing and everyone in lefty spaces forgets that he wasn't against the idea of heroes, he wanted a government regulated occupation to be replaced by something closer to comic book heroes ie self-organizing vigilantes. He wasn't some based anti-cop guy, just a delusional idealist.
>>8871I agree with the first half of your post I disagree with the other half;
>an unstable idiotHe was unstable but hardly an idiot, he was just tired of all the shit so he decided to cut-down the corruption until someone took him down because he was tired and desperate to change things the only way he knew how.
>he wasn't against the idea of heroes, he wanted a government regulated occupation to be replaced by something closer to comic book heroesWrong. He was against that too. He wanted heroes who were heroes because they cared about people genuinely and only did their work for that, not for merchandising purposes or for glory like Endeavor.
>some based anti-cop guyNobody said he was, that was never the point
>a delusional idealistHe was an idealist, but I wouldn't say delusional.
>>8827This. This. This.
What a great anime.
>>8885Well according to the original lore (not prometheus shite) They were parasitic life-forms from a certain planet created as bio-weapons. They're animals, but also invasive species that destroy everything and then hibernate when there is no more food or breeding material.
>anti-colonial resistance fighters in Aliens, beating back the human invasion of their home only to be nukedThermonuclear take there. They're as much alien to the planet they crashed on as the human colonizers.
>>8886The Queen Alien is humanly intelligent but works on instincts. The Emperess and Queen Mothers are high-end human intelligence with telepathic qualities. The ordinary drones are chimpanzee level intelligence, able to figure out basic tech and how it works but not intelligent enough to do more.
I like Xenomorphs, but 99/100 they'll kill you or facehug you. 1/100 they'll fuck you and/or take you in.
>>6598All of which is undermined by his fetish for murdering superheroes, which was of rather dubious utility in testing his creations.
There's no evidence that he would actually equalise humanity through his technology - he revels in his superiority, would he ever give it up? The moment someone learnt to fly their rocketboots better he would create an improved version just for himself.
>>8898>of rather dubious utility in testing his creations.Eh, it clearly showed their weakpoints and thus what problems to address.
>There's no evidence that he would actually equalise humanity through his technologyHe outright states that when he's done playing hero and taking out supers, he'll sell his inventions so that EVERYBODY can be super, and so when everyone is super, no-one will be. Uravnovilovka through a sort-of transhumanism.
>>8827Based. Cantus users were horrible to the bakenezumi.
What I didn't understand from the show is
why didn't the cantus users slaughter all non cantus users after turning them into bakenezumi? What purpose does keeping them around fulfill when with their powers they don't even need a slave caste? >>8908The selling part just means that the bourgeoisie and their dogs will become gods, tho.
It is really bizarre, since The Incredibles obviously wants to be Randian, but all the bad bits are still just capitalism.
She just wanted to take over the British Royal Family. I doubt she'd be a worse ruler than the current British Monarchy.
https://highschooldxd.fandom.com/wiki/Meredith_Ordinton Honestly while I expected there to be a part of DxD that would go to Britain simply because Ddraig and Albion are from there, I was rather disappointed just how much it glosses over the Royal Family and the fact that the CIA and MI-6 are aware of all 3 factions and are even part of them.
Also the Hero Faction to some extent, since their ideology rebels against all heirarchy and supernatural domination.
Davy Jones was just given the short end of the stick and the true villain was Beckett who sought to control the Sea for the East India Company.
Davy Jones was at first a mortal pirate who fell in love with the sea (and thus the goddess Calypso). He agreed to ferry souls to the next world in return for meeting with her on land once every 10 years. To carry out the duty she charged to him, Calypso gave Jones the Flying Dutchman. He did the job faithfully for the first 10 years, ferrying the souls of those who died at sea over to the other side. After those 10 years were up he waited on land for Calypso to meet with him, but she never arrived. Enraged and betrayed, he gathered the first pirate lords/meeting of the brethren court and showed them how to bind Calypso into human form (Tia Dalma) to tear rule of the seas away from her as vengeance for not showing up after 10 years had passed. Heartbroken and racked by guilt Jones then carved out his heart and placed it into the dead man’s chest, burying it on Isla Cruces. He abandoned his duty in favour of torturing other sailors so that they might feel the same pain he was subject to, losing his humanity in the process, gradually turning into the monstrosity we see in the movies along with the Flying Dutchman.
https://pirates.fandom.com/wiki/Davy_Jones He's very much like Darth Vader: Both given the task of enforcing and helping that which their lives were dedicated to (Galaxy (Force) /Sea) They were both betrayed and lost the girl they loved and were left scarred an mutilated inside and out - becoming monsters.
Also he's a great Organ player
>>9986>Captain of a warship for the Spanish Empire<Not actually evil
<<Not guilty of rape and pillage
[X] Doubt
>>9797>literal fascist<the only villain with the ideology that the creators didn’t hate and in multiple times paint as good but misguided
<the only villain that the creators didn’t debased with bullcrap to make their ideology illegitimate
Fuck off retard.
>>9986>Spanish empire<not evil
Back to the pit Spaniard christfag.
>>10347>hurr Kuvira is fascist<ur a retard
None of what you said is even remotely true faggot, this has been debunked on the vatar thread.
>Muh Spanish EMPIRE!!!!Way to strawman the post faggot.
1) the posts states "villainous villain" all we know about him is that he hunted pirates because they killed his family members and he wanted to remove their terror
2) Just because he isn't "le epic socialist comrade" doesn't make him a non-villain in the story. The only reason we are given to not like him is because he's going after characters of the series that people have grown to like, such as Jack Sparrow.
>>10829If you hold that New testament Satan and Old testament Satan are the same being Satan is about half as responsible as God for the suffering inflicted on Job and the pointless and extremely cruel deaths of his family, friends, livestock and servants/slaves
Apart from that Satan seems a pretty cool guy
>>11336>Voldemort - based He represents a cross between the Nazis (ideologically) and the Nationalist IRA (action-wise), so wrong.
>Sith - basedIt's the ironic moment of "only sith deal in absolutes" because the Sith and Jedi are not black and white in their ideologies or actions.
>Sauron - basedAh yes, I too have read the Last Ringbearer
>>1214 >>11336>Sith>BasedHow? Or rather, which sith? Though I'd argue they are all cringe. Jedi are bad as well due to their dogma and tendency to stagnate, but sith are just shit.
>Old SithLiteral crabs in a bucket ancaps. They would only get their shit together when either a) an significantlly more powerful sith that they couldn't drag down emerges and unites the others like Gengis Khan, or b) theybare near exrinction so one of the remaining ones rallied power around him. And even when they actually were powerful their sole goal was just to gorge themselves on material excess and please their egos as much as possible, literal porkies.
>New SithLess cringe because they at least got their act together and due to the rule of two can ensure far greater power in their hands. Goals are arguablly even worse than the old sith. While those where just egotistical ogres, these ones are solely moved by wanting to end entropy for themselves, which if I recal actually lead to them physically fucking up the galaxy. So not just porkies… silicon valley IT porkies that want to live forever.
Tge only good "sith" are people like Dooku the based nazbol, who pragmatically use the dark side, but not to gorge themselves and please their egoes, but to bring a wider collective boon. I think Revan is also like that, but I don't recal a lot about him.
>>11355>Goals are arguablly even worse than the old sithDepends on the individual sith, plageious wanted to literally create a cybersyn planned economy which would so decisively end all strife that the jedi would be unneeded as mediators and eventually just would disband. others wanted to extend access to the force to all beings (with the caveat of making them adhere to the sith code of course), but then you had palpetine who was palpetine.
>I think Revan is also like that, but I don't recal a lot about him.Revan pragmatically adopted the dark side and formed his sith empire because after the lackluster preformance of the republic in the mandalorian wars he knew there was no way they could beat the oncoming sith empire under valkoryian, who was like palpetine but worse, literally ate whole planets to sustain his life-force.
>>11449>Second trilogyD-do you mean the Disney Sequels? Are you alright in the head?
>Nietzsche is basedNo
>Transhumanism is goodI don't know where you see that in Disney Sequels, but no, transhumanism is almost always an easy set up for cyberpunk tier dystopia.
>>11479>PrequelsI hope so. Still doesn't make the transhumanism or Nietzsche ideology a good thing. LARPing ironically about the Empire is one thing, but it's not actually based
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>>7677 >>6962 >>11498It's funny how Tolkien implies that if an orc actually manages to stop being evil, he simply becomes an Elf again.
The concept of a purely evil race is certainly an aspect Tolkien himself struggled with.
>>11532While true, at the same time, Tolkien's dogmatic race views IN THE STORY are permissible because
A) he did not share this in his real-world view of other human races
B) Orcs and Elves are beings created by gods, who unlike mortal people can be pure evil and embody metaphysical concepts (evil and good).
>>11532Doesn't the setting have orcs that just do their own thing and aren't loyal to Sauron at all? Just like how there are men who serve Sauron and men who don't.
>>11544>>11532Yeah, it's fine to posit a setting where there are different races who have certain innate qualities. Consider for instance a science fiction story where humans have been genetically engineered into a caste system with effectively different species.
Christian theology also has ideas about good and evil non-human races which is relevant to Tolkien's interests and at least partly an inspiration for his setting.
>>11532Yeah he changed the origin of orcs to corrupted men instead of elves but was unable to rewrite the Silmarillion before he died.
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/OrcsLook under origin.
>>11544Orcs are Elves who are fucked, because they had to listen to Tolkien's version of Justin Bieber all day every day.
The entire army of darkness were a bunch of Beliebers really, who followed a fool who thought he is the hottest shit ever.
He was the favourite of Eru of course and had more leeway than the other 14. He wasn't even tied down by marriage like the others.
I believe Melkor is Eru himself who after getting banned actually found the Flame Imperishable, creating a stable time loop.
>>11551Consider that Sauron is just a mere Lieutenant to Melkor and a legit order-obsessed turboautist to boot. The reason he defected in the fist place was because of the lack of the order. It fitted with the theme Tolkien tried to make with technological progress. Sauron was a servant of Aulë the Smith. While he as an inventor has good intentions, it can cause bad side effects, like the clockwork brained Sauron. Of note is also that Saruman was also a clockwork brained servant of Aulë and Aulë also created the clockwork brained Dwarves, whom Tolkien intended to be evil as well until he had a change of heart, but whose element you can still observe in the Silmarillon.
Even Tolkien made fun of him (and artificial languages) for creating the Dark Speech which the Orcs didn't bother to pick up. Aside from seething with evil, it was really inferior, and this was intentional on Tolkiens part.
>>11552>>11190Assad's speech during the "coup"
<Today, we rise again as one nation, in the face of betrayal and corruption!
<We all trusted this man to deliver our great nation to a new era of prosperity.
<But like our monarchy before the Revolution, he has been colluding with the West with only self interest at heart!
<Collusion breeds slavery! And we shall not be enslaved!
<The time has come to show our true strength. They underestimate our resolve. Let us show that we do not fear them.
<As one people, we shall free our brethren from the yoke of foreign oppression!
<Our armies are strong, and our cause is just.
<As I speak, our armies are nearing their objectives, by which we will restore the independence of a once great nation.
<Our noble crusade has begun.
<Just as they lay waste to our country, we shall lay waste to theirs.
<This is how it begins.
<[shoots western puppet in the face]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajr_XayCA_wAlso his movement's banner looks pretty based.
Not really a villain but a movie
Song of the South
It's not that he's a jovial free man, it's that for some reason people kept spreading this rumor that the movie romanticizes Civil War era America and makes slavery "seem not so bad." The film takes place post civil war, there are no slaves, only sharecroppers. The idea that it glorifies slavery is a misconception caused by an erroneous report given by the NAACP's executive secretary, who had not even seen the film at the time of writing the report. Most of the opposition to the film at the time of it's release came from northerners and Californians who had a questionable understanding of the South and probably thought that everything South of the Mason-Dixon line was racist hicks and cousin incest. Again that's the misconception that's been spread, mostly because it's a case of "since no one in America has an easy way to seeing the movie the urban legends end up overwriting what the movie is really about".
If anything though Song of the South was the kind of movie that would have angered conservatives of its time simply for having a black actor who wasn't portrayed as a bootlicking slave or angry savage.
You wanna know the whole movie? The kids in the movie literally all gather around Uncle Remus to here him tell traditional African-American stories about Brer Rabbit. The whole point of the film and the book (yes, like all Classic era Disney animation, it was based on a book) was to share the oral traditions of the post Civil War freedmen. It's even implied that the main kid's dad is an anti-racism newspaper editor and it's not just white kids listening to his stories.
To quote someone else's comment quoting Lindsay Ellis:
"Song of the South promotes the negative stereotype that black people are boring."; it's not as racist as the legends say, but it's also not a very interesting movie compared to better works like Disney's American Legends. I saw some people theorizing that those things combine are why it hasn't ever been re-released; the possible fallout for something so mediocre and memed about just isn't worth it for Disney. I personally think it should just be on Disney+ with the same insensitivity warning that's on several other things, but I doubt it will ever happen.'
It's interesting to note that James Baskett was the first African-American actor to receive an Academy Award for his "able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus in 'Song of the South,' friend and storyteller to the children of the world."
Song of the South should not be hidden from public viewing (I mean you can watch The Birth of a Nation on multiple streaming platforms, including for Free with Amazon Prime video) and people should view it before making assumptions.
>Inb4 "muh racism" or "Disney-fag"This has nothing to do with 'defending' Disney or 'racism' but with the merits of the movie itself.
https://www.songofthesouth.net/movie/biographies/baskett.html>>11190The fact that every villain in modern burger media is someone explicitly fighting for liberation from western imperialism let’s you know how spiritually and mentally corrupted and twisted burgers truly are.
This is like, imagine the Nazis won WWII and decades later made video games about slaughtering entire cities of wicked Jews plotting to nuke the Reich
Such fucking despicable trash, it’s like everything that comes out of Burgerstan is designed to be utterly detestable to anyone with a semblance of a conscience.
>>6680Kel'Thuzad is a bitch, hes my pet.
its very hard to take seriously the lore of a boss once you can have them as a pokemon
Reposting about Megatron from the Batman thread
Transformers Prime (2011): Season 1 and 2 of that show were great and Megatron in that show was one of the best depictions; intelligent, clever, powerful and with an imposing, yet sleek design. More importantly however, he was expanded on as a character., becoming more than a stereotypical "I'm evil just because!" of the 80s. He was a former slaveesque miner who was thrown into gladiatorial fights in the pits of Kaon on cybertron. There his skill as a fighter led to triumph, becoming its champion. His popularity grew to the point where he rallied support from the citizens of Cyberton, using his charisma and oratory skill. He led them against the cybertronian council; corrupt and hierarchical, to demand change. However he was corrupted by the greed for power, and lacked political savviness unlike his upper-class Archivist protege Orion Pax, thus leading to a path of darkness and fascism as the latter became selected to be a Prime (becoming Optimus Prime). This lead to the civil war in which Optimus became leader of the Autobots (and where the old caste system was thrown away in the face of war), and becoming the new face of the people.
In other words, a people's hero had his path as a revolutionary turn to the darkness of fascism and his class-traitor protege became the new people's hero and revolutionary, quite similar to real life revolutions among humanity (something pointed out by the show).
This is an ironic change since G1 Orion Pax (pic 4) was originally a dock-worker autobot (since autobots and decepticons are separate peoples for some reason). He idolized Megatron and the re-risen Decepticons as new and improved due to their ability to fly as well as also being able to transform like their autobot counterparts (because originally decepticons could not transform). Only to be revived as Optimus Prime when Megatron raided the energon warehouse he worked at.
Megatron meanwhile was essentially like the Nazis, intent on reviving the decepticon people and being rulers of cybertron, essentially mirroring fascist cries of 'reviving the greatness of the past'. Orion's infatuation was part of fascism's populism before reality showed the error in that belief.
reposting from Batman thread:
https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/KGBeast >The Hammer* general, angry that the Soviet government was working to better relations with the United States, sends Knyazev on an unauthorized mission to kill 10 high-ranking U.S. officials, ten key people who were involved with the United States' Strategic Defense Initiative, nicknamed the "Star Wars" program, in the hope of putting an end to it. <Despite [Gorbachev's] Soviet Government warning the United States, he successfully assassinated 7 targets
Absolute Mad lad. Reminds me of the Remont Four from Marvel Earth 616.
*The Hammer is a fictional cell in the KGB
also see
>>1147>>8827>>8830Squealer really fucked up by pointlessly antagonizing Yakomaru (you can see him getting off to Y's humiliation during the council meeting), and then not finishing the job and making sure he's dead. So in a way he can be read as a tragic hero, whose fatal flaw was pride.
This being said, it was a miracle that the revolution didn't go tits up long before came the meddling kids and their talking wolf. If the "fiend" accidentally killed one of the queerrats masquerading as humans, or a human mistook her for a queerrat from afar, it would be all over in an instant.
Not a villain but Doomguy got transferred to Mars because he tried to frag his superior officer for ordering a war crime.
>>13649This shit goes back at least as far as Crime and Punishment.
>>12771Kane quite literally did nothing wrong.
Look at where Tiberium research was in C&C Renegade, Dr. Petrova is literally a superhuman powered by tiberium, and as of Tiberian Sun they're attempting to deploy the World Altering Missile to change literally everyone so that they're all incredibly powerful and capable of easily fighting off the Scrin harvesting team and hijacking their ships, which was supposed to become Command and Conquer's version of the Golden Path as humanity is forced to abandon its singular planet it resides on to begin taking the entire galaxy.
>>15564The whole pirate comic parallels Ozymandias, with the implication that his plan either won't work or is based on false premises.
On a grander level he's just taking the superhero idea of using violent force to protect the status quo to it's furthest extent.
>>16347Really, that retard that thinks it’s because of “muh boomers” instead of the capitalist system that caused it?
Tsukasa is an idealist retard who completely blames technology instead of capitalism like so many primitivist reactionaries.
>>16349Of course, but the way I like to think about it is that that's just because the story's writer is clearly a colossal musk fanboy-tier lib. There's no way the antagonist is ever gonna actually be good when he's written by his ideological enemies into a strawman.
Besides, I give the guy some slack on the basis that unlike literally every single primitivist tard in real life, this man actually is a colossal chad who can somehow kill lions with his bare hands.
>>16349Tsukasa is essentially the lib writer's idea of what revolutionary leftists are like. You'll see Tsukasa be literally anti-science, meanwhile the liberal order worshipping guy is the path to progress, which obviously couldn't be farther from the truth.
However the sheer audacity of the writer actually pushes me to still side with the retarded anarcho-primitivist, consider it a rebellion against the author's narrative itself.
>>16353>the liberal order worshipping guyWhich character would that be?
The manga missed a golden opportunity for some interesting drama and character development recently that really disappointed me.
>>16353Interesting. You know I so want to write my own little AU of Dr. Stone where it turns out that not only living humans get petrified but also humans that were embalmed in a certain way. Perhaps a certain Revolutionary gets revived from their stone prison and leads the Russian people to the stars once again?
Would be interesting in that AU when Senku makes his radio and he does hear the Why-Man's voice but when pointing it to the northwest he hears a certain song playing on the radio after a interval signal plays…
>>16366 (Me)
Sorry posted version of the vids without sounds before, fixed them.
>>16366sounds fun
who is getting revived
>>18455>kids aren’t allowed to be creative >let’s anthropomorphize branded products Yes let’s bully a poor ass kid with an abusive alcoholic father that vent his frustration with his creations. I guess kids making scale models and blowing them up for fun are also monsters? Or model builders that rip apart toys to make miniatures?
You guys are blind if you don’t see the obvious capitalist propaganda in everything Disney does. The first toy story was literally consumerism = good, diy = bad.
>>18455I was kidding but the point I was trying to get across is that toys aren't sentient beings. Also, this
>>18462Sid did nothing wrong, he was just a kid. When he grew up he ended up as a garbage collector who apparently has grown out of his troubled/"psychopath" kid phase but still has a shitty life. However it's likely that they tried to frame this as some well-deserved fate for "hurting" some magical sentient toys that he rightfully thought were supposed to be inanimate, since toys try as hard as they can to remain motionless in front of humans to not break the illusion for
some fucking reason.
>>18466>toys aren't sentient beings Not in our world perhaps (or to our awareness) but it is in Toy Story, and even if this held true, breaking and demeolishing toys for fun is unhealthy
>t's likely that they tried to frame this as some well-deserved fate I don't see how, when the point of the first movie was literally "play nice", they eve did this WITH Sids toys to teach him not to abuse theme. Moreover we don't actually know if it was Sid, it was an Easter Egg of a shirt.
>for some fucking reason. We don't know the reason but I expect it could just as well be the risk of scaring kids or provoking the adults.
>>18462> an abusive alcoholic father that vent his frustration with his creationsI'm just going to point out that while that MAY be a reason, it is not an excuse. We don't see the Mother or Daughter acting remotely like him.
>Muh models Those aren't toys and are usually created with being destroyed in mind
>see the obvious capitalist propaganda Capitalism wants you to buy more and to buy more your possessions have to break or be devalued to make you want to possess more, promoting a fantasy that they're alive and you shouldn't hurt them is counter productive to that idea. Hell it is actually very leftist idea to try and make things last longer by using them carefully instead of utilizing things with wild abandon
>first toy story was literally consumerism = good, diy = bad That's literally wrong even from a marxist perspective, Sid isn't DIY, he's being destructive, buying things t not taking care of them properly.
Lastly It's Not That Deep People - It's a children's movie about living toys and a story about their hidden lives, Sid is an antagonist, not an outright villain, because it's not a story about Heroes and Villains, but about Old vs New and how that is a false dichotomy.
>>9982>Davy JonesLiteral self-hating cuck
>>Davy Jones: and finally, when we could be together again, you weren't there. Why weren't you there?>>Tia Dalma : It is my nature. Would you love me if I was anything but what I am? He loved her for being a sloot then was angry that she turned out to be a sloot.
>>18471>breaking and demeolishing toys for fun is unhealthy Sounds too autistic for me man. Toys aren’t alive unlike small animals. So it’s good for a kid to try pushing the play abilities of a toy to its limits. I’ve seen creative kids that cut soldier toys in half and added bits and bobs to it to create battle scenes. Or maybe convert some goofy toys into monsters and miniatures. Hell toys can still be alive and well afterwards. None of the toys he “killed” are truly dead, they’re still there as the movie showed.
>Capitalism wants you to buy more and to buy more your possessions have to break or be devalued to make you want to possess more, promoting a fantasy that they're alive and you shouldn't hurt them is counter productive to that idea. When has capitalism ever exist rationally? Reminder that Toy Story belong in the long line of bourgeois movies that anthromorphosize products for advertising. Also toys especially has another side of it as collectibles, they want you to think that they have more value than the cheap plastic that made it.
>it is actually very leftist idea to try and make things last longer by using them carefully instead of utilizing things with wild abandonSince when? All I see of people who preserve things based on nothing but nostalgia are extremely reactionary.
>Lastly It's Not That Deep People - It's a children's movie about living toys and a story about their hidden lives<Implying story tropes came out of the writer’s mind entirely without the already existing material conditions that mold them into using the tropeEverything has a subtext to it. It’s fine for you to not care about it but saying that it doesn’t exist is just laughable.
>>18661More like a weird volcel that can’t get over a break up.
>>18663>Toys aren’t alive unlike small animals But when you're a child, playing pretend if part of it, and in Toy Story THEY ARE alive.
> it’s good for a kid to try pushing the play abilities of a toy to its limits Again, it's not breaking a toy while playing that's a problem, even if that sucks, it's just blowing shit up "for fun" that is fucked up.
>creative kids that cut soldier toys in half and added bits and bobs to it to create battle scenes But that's a battle scene, not just destroying toys for the fun of it
>None of the toys he “killed” are truly deadLiterally half the toys he busted are only alive because they're put back together. He nuked a soldier at the start with nothing left and abandoned other toys in the mud where they lay forgotten.
>When has capitalism ever exist rationally Capitalism isn't the Joker; an insane person. Capitalism is a system based on the rational self-interest of the capitalist class and depends on the promotion of ideas of capitalist consumption.
>oy Story belong in the long line of bourgeois movies that anthromorphosize products for advertising 1) children do this all the time without any advertizing. I was doing that to cars literally decades before Cars came out. It has been exploited into being about toys because it's created under capitalism and so must exploit culture to this purpose, thus the numerous Toy Story rip-offs that ARE just advertisements (such as the Emoji 'Movie')
>as collectibles, they want you to think that they have more value than the cheap plastic Again, both the second and first Toy Story movie promote messages against this with the main anatagonist being a collector and salesman of antiques and Andy giving away his toys at the end of the 3rd movie.
>people who preserve things based on nothing but nostalgia are extremely reactionary That's not what reactionary means and preserving/conserving something is not automatically reactionary, to assume otherwise is inane ideological dogmatism.
>Muh material conditions for tropes For fucks sake not this again
>dozent exist The point isn't that it exists or not, the point is that in the case of this film it doesn't fucking matter.
>>18661>>18663>Cuck cuck cuck<incel, volcel, femcel Can you people think in terms outside memes and buzzwords? Do you even understand the meaning of these words or just think "they relate to people relationships failing, so they must apply!"
Did you even watch the movies, or are you just stuck in a perpetual circlejerk of mocking everything you see
(because you're self-hating yourselves?) >loved her for being a sloot <imagine being so sex-obsessed that you simplify everything to such a base level It's a romanticism about a sailor's tragic love of the sea, with magic and other insanity thrown in, anthropomorphizing it. Have you people fallen in love before and known how irrational it can be?
>can’t get over a break up.That's not what it was at all. Imagine you have a girlfriend or wife, who promises loyalty as you do your duty to her and the people of the sea, then you come back after waiting and working so long to find her gone, abandoning you and your sacrifice and betraying your love and efforts. Are you supposed to just accept it lying down like a dog? Or does this only matter if its the man who betrays the woman?
The idea that the worst hatred originates from love is a story as old as human society.
>>18757>Zaheer the anarchist who literally did nothing but create a power vacuum and essentially enable utter misery. Fuck no.
>>18758Outside of the SAT AM cartoon, Eggman is pretty much a humanitarian who realized that people and governments are impossible to rely on and so elected to become supreme leader with Cybersyn organization. His Grandfather was similar until he went batshit and created a moon-busting weapon.
>>18868his design was fire
what is the economic system in the world of kung fu panda
why were the pandas genocided
>>18893damn
kung fu panda is feudalist apologia
>>18757Most of Kora’s villains are just a liberal flanderization of the ideologies oppose the them:
>the equalists are communists but hypocrites >the black lotus are anarchists but retarded>the earth empire are fascist ethnic supremacists that are good but “went too far” (because the guys that created the show love Israel)Notice that the only ideology that got portrayed in a positive light is fascism.
>>18907I mean both are my posts lol
>>18909>fascism<in positive light intentionallyI already argued about it not being fascism before. Kuvira isn't fascism at all, she wasn't installing private interests or promoting ethnic discrimination, she was uniting under a collectivist rule a country, at worst she was a nazbol, though there is an entire reddit post made by a comrade, which explicitly argues and explains her parallels to Stalin.
>>18940no u
i don't get butthurt with idpol over based rednecks
Perseus and Bell were comrades
-Finishing Adler
-Perseus treats Bell like a HUMAN BEING
-Bell's real comrades don't betrayed him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b_ZAM5qUdU>>16120>>15564>>15114>>15113The point is that building the future on a lie makes it dangerously fragile if/when the lie is exposed. Thinking you can just solve the balance of powers problem is childish. This is reflected when Ozy asks Dr. Manhattan if he did the right thing "in the end" and the response is "You don't get it. Nothing ever ends." He didn't create a solution, just stuck his finger in the leaky dam (at the cost of
millions of lives). And it's sealed at the end when Rorschach's journal (documenting everything) arrives at a newspaper, because like someone with a working brain he sent it off before going with Nite Owl to confront Ozy.
>>20594He died because he was poisoned, likely by beria and other opportunists
>locked up doctor's for being JewishDidn't happen.
>>20594Incorrect
>>20595Correct
>>27695>Point out that Davy Jones got cucked Cuckoldry: the practice of making cuckolds; SEXUAL conquests of married women.
Cuckold: A man whose wife is SEXUALLY unfaithful, often regarded as an object of derision.
Calypso was not sexually unfaithful, she reneged on their agreement by not standing by him as he had stood by her. This is not cuckoldry.
>>22882He got all those monks in Coruscant.
Would have made Mao proud
>>31976See
>>13193>>31978 Oh, huh. I wonder if /pol/ noticed and had a field day over this in "muh jooz" circlejerking.
>>33792Why does mythology generally portray humans attaining fire and such as some kind of theft against the gods done through trickery?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_fireIt seems obvious that these stories have a common origin, but where does the idea come from that fire was stolen specifically or that humans having fire is against the natural order?
>>36065In part I'm guessing because the first fires would have been a result of natural occurrences, lightning strikes, heat-based wildfires etc. Then when humans learned to created fire through accident or effort, it was essentially a power of nature taken under control creatively by the hands of man, so now mankind could create what was previously jurisdiction of the gods.
Secondly the idea of stealing it from the gods also comes from the the narrative of intelligence and creative thinking overcoming even divinity and nature - thus the weak, mortal humans, taking from the immortal, all-powerful gods.
>>36065cooking food with fire was literally one of the first technologies, possibly
the first so the entire human species has it as a collective myth that
>>36067>the first fires would have been a result of natural occurrences, lightning strikes, heat-based wildfires etc. Then when humans learned to created fire through accident or effort, it was essentially a power of nature taken under control creatively by the hands of man, so now mankind could create what was previously jurisdiction of the gods. lmao, Syndrome is a classic example.
I remember one article on The Anarchist Library about how The Dark Knight trilogy is just Christopher Nolan projecting his political opinions ("Radicals bad, police good").
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/joel-olson-cheney-is-the-dark-knight>>39148 >>breaking toys is like killing people<Look guys, I strawmanned again!Practicing cruelty on animals and toys is literally a sign of psychopathy in children you retard. Nobody said it's just like killing an actual person, moron.
Your other examples are retarded non-sequiturs but which I will address:
>GTA GTA is a game with an age limit for a reason. There've been multiple instances of children/teens that played the game, taking this out into real life to look cool, because children are easily influenced. Also you do realize GTA stands for Grand Theft Auto, an official name for a fairly common felony type, especially in the 90s.
See Yin, Jennifer, "Aggression and Driving: Separating Ourselves From the Games" (2016). Pop Culture Intersections. 15.
https://scholarcommons.scu.edu/engl_176/15
>those who watch hentai are pedophiles Funny how you exclude the specifics of "loli" in that statement. Regardless of if it is a fictional child or not, the appeal is the physical, clearly child-coded appearance, which means it is an attraction to child-coded imagery. Not to mention many lolicon illustrators use real children as model-bases. The fact that you got BTFO on /meta/ does not mean you get to mald on other boards. Fuck off back to reddit.
https://research.library.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1090&context=international_senior
>playing Call of Duty gives you real PTSD Retarded claim that nobody made. The closest claim is that realistic FPS games can make people aggressive and there is evidence of this.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17694539/ All of these fall under Operant Conditioning Theory among other media influence theories, so TL;DR: read a book, liberal.
>>39149<sign of X>one symptom = diagnosispseuds are so confident spreading pop psych bullshit around without understanding it themselves lol
just say youre incapable of separating fiction from reality and move on
>>39153 >More strawman fallacy<P-psued <pop-psych!<Y-you don't understandWe get it, you have no argument, so take your butthurt projection back to reddit
Also: Children cannot separate fact from fiction until the age of 3 minimum, and cannot reliably do so until they're 12, which is why advertisements directed to children are heavily regulated and cannot exploit something called Pester Power. This also applies for age-limits in media regarding violence and sex, because, again the developing minds of children and teens are influenced by the media they are surrounded by, just as they are influenced by other things in their environment. This has been studied by behavioral science for a long time.
>>39157>It isn't surprising that 99% of the time it's puritans with a layman's understanding of human behavior and clinical psychology that hysterically push these talking points and not actual psychologists, or even agencies that deal with crime, violence, abuse.Not really. It's the sort of thing where you're automatically a good person for doing it and anyone that tries to gainsay you can be dismissed by calling them a "pedophile," who very few people are willing to stick their necks out for.
It's like honey for the kind of people with actual problems that want to make themselves look good. Instead of having to do the hard work of dealing with child abuse or sex trafficking you just get to ride your high horse and complain about icky japanese cartoons. It's so fucking choice.
>>39160 (me)
Also, wtf was this discussion on /meta/? It's a mod board, it's not made for off-topic discussions. You go there, you complain about the site, you leave.
>>6555 Ignoring the "muh puritans" brainlets above and getting this thread back on topic.
The 2019 version of Joker didn't really do anything wrong. The populism that came about from his actions was not his intention all he was trying to do was survive while dealing with mental problems and society's complete disregard for him.
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