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Was the Meiji restoration and "restoring power to the emperor" a good or bad thing in 18th century Japan for the peasants? It marked the upper class revolution that caused the samurai feudal system to transition into a capitalist system. (Which ultimately turned into a racist imperialist empire that tried to invade and oppress all of its neighbors in Asia in a sort of fascist system, and as Japan lost the war the people starved and suffered greatly.)

I just found this photograph btw. Samurai didn't look nearly as impressive as I thought they would, and that hairdo is "objectively ugly."

There were a lot of peasant revolutions/movements that tried to go against the samurai but they all ultimately failed so no one except historians talk about them. Unfortunately too, the people who study Japanese history appear to be mostly weebs who romanticize the samurai so much that you never get to hear about the peasents' movements.
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Honest opinions on this crazy feller?


Forbidden colors is one of the worst books I've ever read.


Yes, the Japanese animation industry has roots in Showa fascist recuperation of Constructivist film theory (imported from the Soviet Union) to create Disney-like propaganda films. But this unifying principle crumbled in the post-war occupation; so much in fact, it's worth noting that Osamu Tezuka was once a member of the Japanese Communist Party, and many more animators were active in the New Left movement throughout the 1960s and 1970s. Fact is, the Japanese government specifically subsidizing animated film and television that promotes a "Cool Japan" to international audiences is still a pretty recent phenomenon. I'm talking within the past 10-15 years; 20 if you want to get technical. Japan in the 1990s alone was busy debating on whether or not anime turned you into a child rapist serial killer and caused mass epileptic seizures, so I have trouble accepting that it's all just "porky propaganda"


>Osamu Tezuka was once a member of the Japanese Communist Party
That's probably why Dororo's setting was so good, instead of romanticizing the samurai and their warlords he didn't shy away from showing the brutal realities commoners faced in feudal Japan during the sengoku period.


>Japan in the 1990s alone was busy debating on whether or not anime turned you into a child rapist serial killer and caused mass epileptic seizures
For those interested: search for "The Otaku Murderer" and "Electric Soldier Porygon Incident"


Yeah! Tezuka's politics can be hard to pin down though. He started his own magazine after seeing the success of Garo, which had become known for publishing another leftist ninja/samurai manga, Kamui Den and other more avant-garde stuff. Hell, judging by their respective publication dates, Kamui might have even influenced Tezuka to make Dororo, but I can't say for certain.


>Samurai thread
this is just a /jp/ LARP thread


Hmm, now I have to read Kamui Den.


Were you expecting a discussion about bushido? Zen? Martial arts?


Samurai worship is reactionary.




Ah well, that's fair.


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>katana stances


Should this thread go on >>>/anime/ ?



How bout both




Technically this would go to >>>/hist/ if that board existed. Instead it should go to >>>/edu/




Mods please move this thread to either >>>/edu/




thanks Admin!


It cannon die, or it will bring dishonor on our cow


>yfw when Juchegang liberates Japan


>Koreans liberating Japan
Now that would be something to see


Reposting from the >>>/anime/ Q&A thread

I have a question about Jiraiya Gouketsu Monogatari. Naruto made the character pretty well known and popular, however the original story is pretty old, and I was wondering how well known the character was in Japan prior to Naruto's popularization of him.

Besides the 1921 silent film (video 1 related)

I found the following references in media before Naruto got published

- Jiraiya- A character that appears in the novel " Jiraiya Ninpocho " by Futaro Yamada, which began serializing in September 1964 . A character with the name of Tsunade also appears in the work.
- Jikaminari也- 1966 publication of Toei of special effects era feature film " The Magic Serpent hero of". Tsunade also appears.
- Commander Jiraiya- A character that appears in the TV anime " Invincible Steel Man Daitan 3 " broadcast from June 1978 to March 1979 .
- Magnetic Raiya- The main character of Toei 's special effects drama " Sekai Ninja Sen Jiraiya, " which was broadcast from January 1988 to January 1989 .
- Jiraiya (read "Jiraia") The character in the Hudson game "Far East of Eden" series and the main character of the first game " Far East of Eden ZIRIA ". Characters with the names of Tsunade and Orochimaru also appear in the work.
- Jirayan- A character that appears in the TV anime "Karakuri Kengoden Musashi Road" that was broadcast from October 1990 to September 1991.
- Ninja Black Jiraiya- Ninja who appears in Toei's special effects drama " Ninja Sentai Kakuranger "broadcast from February 1994 to February 1995. A setting called the descendant of Jiraiya who appears in "Jiraiya Goketsutan".


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can I get a bump on this?


Japan was a hyper feudalist society rivalling that of europe, the country was mostly subdued and revaltively peaceful so the warrior-aristocrat caste fell into irrelevancy and the petite-booj flourished which allowed it to transitition so well into capitalism but since petit-booj class intetest is conservative in the face of imperialism fascism would be its last stand in vain.christian_communismChristian Communism


I don't know how accurate the game "Ghost of Tsushima" is in portraying feudal Japan, but one thing they game highlights at the end is how the "cod of honor" of the samurai was a covert way for cementing the class rule of the Shogun. The MC gets sperged on by the Samurai throughout the game for not only being "without honor" but also for teaching the peasants to fight themselves and resist their "leaders". I can imagine this to have happened in a similiar fashion back then tbh


How bourgeois, or if not then "feudal remnant", was the Meiji Restoration anyways?
Didn't much of the caste of samurai get relegated to more typical "bourgeois" positions, deprived of feudal privileges, with only a superficial exaltation of their status so as to promote the bushido militarist stuff?
Are there any good books on this era about that?


It's not solely on this era, but Pierre François Souyri did a good job at explaining the overall path to modernity of Japan. I'm not sure if his books are translated in english tho.iwwIWW


Kek what a fantastical AU shitpost


Excellent Russian video analyzing the Dzaibutsu of Imperial Japan and how they brought about militarism in the country with economic analysis. This is part 2 of Imperial Japan from a dialectical analysis

Японский фашизм: дзайбацу by
Держать Курс

Part I: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3pEf8SVNqI
Умри за Императора. Капитализм с самурайской спецификой.


Are there english subtitles?


I didn't check, but CC+translation works for these. If there aren't… then that's a damn shame because this video is probably the closest to a bulletproof historical video essay on the dialectics of Imperial Japanese socio-economics and ideology that I have seen. Literally no other work I know of has covered the subject in such expansive detail with marxist analysis.


The subtitles are in russian. You can translate them automatically, but you just get some google translate low quality translation. Well better than nothing I guess…


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Minimata and the tragedy of the death factory covered by Suren

BadComedian 3 months ago (edited):
''Начал подготовку к обзору фильма ЧЕРНОБЫЛЬ и посмотрел картину про ещё одно загрязнение природы, а именно - про слив ртути и других вкусностей в залив Минамата.

Контора Chisso годами отравляла территорию Японии и уничтожала/уродовала живность, включая людей, несмотря на протесты. Фильм пытается раскрыть данный инцидент от лица уставшего от жизни журналиста Юджина Смита, который сделает исторический снимок "Томоко Уэмура в ванне" (искать в гугле), чем ещё больше привлечёт внимание к похуизму конторы Chisso.

Гнетущая атмосфера, поломанные судьбы, измученные дети и взрослые - всё это в фильме есть. Есть и история самого Юджина Смита, роль которого исполнил Джонни Депп. Хоть я и люблю этого актёра, но мне кажется, что на роль Юджина Смита он не очень подходит. Хотя опять же, имя Деппа привлекает внимание к самому фильму и это замечательно.

К сожалению фильм не расскажет о связях Chisso с якудза и не будет детального раскрытия давления на представителей протеста. Фильм задевает эту тему по касательной, а столько всего интересного в этой истории есть. Да и тему с фильтрами не особо раскрыли: контора Chisso поставила очистительные сооружения и заверила, что теперь вся вода, что попадает в залив, настолько чистая, что её пить можно! И её выпил сам глава компании… Но выяснилось, что пил он заранее налитую чистую воду, а фильтры вообще ничего не очищали.''

Если соберётесь смотреть, то в дополнение посмотрите ролик Сурена на эту же тему.
1. Фильм "Минамата" на ivi (в отечественном переводе "Великий") - https://www.ivi.ru/watch/250070
2. Ролик Сурена - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQGiG_Yg8fE&ab_channel=SUREN


Ah, sorry then. Can't help you there, CC isn't publically editable.


>discusses the navy heirarchy link
on the topic of the Japanese Navy - their doctrine, the Kantai Kessen (Japanese Decisive Battle Doctrine)
Drachinifel as a channel isn't 100% accurate (limited by English/Western sources) mostly in regards to the Soviet and Russian Navy, but outside of that is quite accurate and nuanced in his discussion.

I liked this comment joke
>IJN: "Can't I kessen?"
<USN: "No."


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>be me, ancient japan
>loyal samurai to shogun Narutomon-no-Tamagochi bitchu kakarot
>im ordered by shogun Narutomon-no-Tamagochi bitchu kakarot to challenge his rival, daimyo Netoraremon doraemon (childhood name: Bukakemaru) of the Burrito Clan to a duel after learning that the daimyo's retainer did not bow the correct number of times to Narutomon's 14th concubine, the beautiful Sakura-no-Onshore isa hore
>knowing that this is a suicide, my brother the famous sword duelist ishakarunarumarubarugaruharu intervenes and begs lord Narutomon he should go instead.

>shogun agrees, he decides to send me on a diplomatic mission to the Korean small kingdoms of Baekje-Goguryeo

>He thinks that, due to both being successor states of Hanguk, they'll easily find some common ground for trade
>after Traversing the sea of japan,32 farms, and 502 mountains and valleys we arrive at their mountain palace
>Upon arriving, a court official of prince han-Ji-an says im required to strip butt naked and fight Dae Kok-in, one of their strongest wrestlers
>Exhausted from the strange Baekje-Goguryeo practice, I'm finally served some food
>A raw ear of rice, a bowl of water, and 2 grams of pork
>They act like it's a lot of food and expect me to praise their culinary arts
>I'm punched directly in the face due to smiling the wrong way
>I'm punched again, directly in the face due to crying the wrong way
>I send a letter back to the shogun, the letter reads as follows *fuck it let's conquer them*
>5 years pass, we got the shogunate seal of approval
>we engage at the battle of the Sanbadeamigo river,500 of us against the entire Baekje-Goguryeo kingdom
>shaman-god-queen Yamato-hi-Momose-Nagatoro-Ooki-na-Manko-Chinpo-wo-Tabete prophetizes a decisive victory as long as the warriors' arrows and spears are smeared with urine
>we fail to urinate on all the arrows in time and lose the first battle, but manage to control a coastal village.
>10 years pass, the shaman-goddess-queen has another vision in which a white snake god from Mount Katsumatsuratsu, claiming to be the son of Okuninushi, says that their victory will only come if she gets impregnated by a humble samurai and give birth months later
>after we successfully impregnated her, son Chinpo-wo-Tabete is born months later.
>we win the next battle, but withdraw from Korea after holy ming dynasty emperor dong bong hears of our invasion and demands shogun Narutomon to stop it.

>return to japan

>ask about my brother, the news strikes me
>he slew his opponent at the wataboto pass using the Housing Bubble Technique, thus inspiring the founding of the Kabushiki-Ryuu sect of Buddhist sword monks
>however, ishakarunarumarubarugaruharu later commits seppuku for having soiled his sword with 3 drops of blood instead of a perfectly clean cut, assured that the years of practice went for nothing, a disgrace for his family name.
>586 ashigarus follow their leader into death, this leads directly to the collapse of the kakarot shogunate 20 years later, when I arrived.


In response to the OP on the Meiji era
See >>>/anime/10610


because that's a black and white picture with added arbitrary colors .


Annons, I've felt kinda lost recently. I'm also somewhat of an idiot thus I've been reading some really random shit. I found an read an early 1900s bushido code which was interesting. And apparently modern Japan still follows this. Anywho, any of you know where I can find more free reading on Bushido?


Anon, you know that 'bushido' thinking kinda led to Japan getting rolfstomped in WW2 right?


Bushido on paper is "noble" and all but in practice see the posts in >>8098
That said, here is a Japanese book on Bushido but it's in Russian so you'll have to use a translator


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Its time for a story
>emperor fōr-channū gets old and has to follow the shitoposto traditions by retiring to an old cave in the mountain of kekyama where he has to practice the old jutsu of masturbating with only two fingers for 14 years in order to gain the blessing of the kami of basedness, his title as emperor is later passed to his brother redditu, marking the beggining of the hōmō periode, famous for multiple suckings of the cock of china.
>emperor redditu gets triggered by the rasengan clan because they paid him 69419 rice bags in tribute instead of the funi 69420 number, insults the diplomat of rasengan for this shamfur dispray, and orders him to commit sodouku 69420 times to retain the honor of his family, or have them all canceled from japan.
>a giant civil war occure as many clans can no longer handle the emperor's bullshit.
>then finally, after 25 years of chaos daimyo CHADIMOTO of the chinletO clan, with his wits, intelligence, the fact that he is the only one who knew how taxes work(the less the better) and a few muskets he bought from some dutch guy called "ver is mein willy", managed to BTFO all the other pleb clans, claims the title of SHOTGUN, and ousted the old emperor and replaced him with fōr-channū's son, ate channū, ending by that the long decade of chaos and normieness.
>as a reward for returning order and prosperity to japan, ate-channū gifted the shotgun chadimoto with three gifts:
<the title of /ourguy/.
<centurii-chan as a bride for him.
<a mysterious coin that can turn him into any race he ever wish to be
And that is the story of chadimoto chinleto, they all lived happily ever after, exept for redditū who escaped and swore to comeback for revenge someday.
The END.
This is a joke post, don't be mad


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>what's with the ancient Japanese and this gay haircut?
Supposedly this hairstyle was to keep the helmet in place, but that's kind of bullshit IMO. More likely people did this because japan has a culture of worshiping any authority figure so people shaved their heads as a sign of respect for their balding samurai boss: Male-pattern baldness had been common in Japan due to poor food availability, which is the reason Japanese people tended to be - and still are in some regards - smaller than average human size and often had fragile bones and poor tooth/jaw structure, after all there is good reason that depictions of feudal Japan in modern media like anime (pic 3 - Inuyasha) often feature balding farmers and bandits, but I digress.
TL;DR: Male pattern baldness was and remains pretty common in Japan, so a hairstyle that works with baldness has some practical purposes and became socially enforced.
This is also similar to Medieval Christian monks. https://archive.ph/WKEs0
Food: https://archive.ph/ZhcIl
Masculinity: https://archive.md/HiJ2q
Basics of Chonmage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chonmage https://archive.md/XPmJE
Asia in general: https://archive.md/5c0qW


It was objectively a good thing for Japanese peasents as it made the country an industrialised imperialist capitalist state. Samurai rule was as evil and economically poor as it was in any feudalistic society.

I disagree with you when you say that they don't look impressive. I think it is also wrong to say their hairdo is objectively ugly. This is just chauvinism.


>This is just chauvinism
Just going to point out that this anon is correctly using the termin of chauvinism, especially in a leftist context, as contrasted to a lot of users that tend to spam the word on this site on everything they perceive to be offending to themselves in regards to an aspect of a culture.

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