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 No.4715[Last 50 Posts]

/jp/ , Otaku and weeb thread.

This thread is to talk about things on Japanese culture, and the good and bad of it

 No.4725

Shitty country tbh

 No.4727

Is there anything that they won't make porn of.

 No.4729

This is a reminder that the de facto age of consent is actually higher in Japan than weeb memes claim, and that employed people there should not mention anime and otakufaggotry unless they are sure that their company won't fire them for it bringing humiliation.

 No.4732

What proportion of the population are actually otaku?

This is important information for gauging the of usefulness of animu for weaponization against capitalist hegemony and the culture industry.

 No.4753

>>4725
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>>4729
>>4732
>every response is a sage
But why tho? Like they're good replies but saged for what reason?

 No.4754

>>4753
>sage — To reply to a thread without bumping it. To do so simply type "sage" in the E-mail field. This may be done to increase the post count toward earlier deletion, or may simply be done to add an unimportant comment. Always written in romaji. See also age.

 No.4756

Should the default for the name field be in katakana?

 No.4760

>>4754
You're not answering the question you retard. I KNOW it's for anti-bumping, I don't get WHY they don't want to bump a thread when this is typically done for reasons such as being a shitpost or little interest in a thread.

 No.4762

>>4760
Why do you care why someone doesn't think their posts merit bumping a thread?

 No.4767

Matcha good, I read "woman in the Dunes", it's also good. Not much to say really I don't really mind Japanese culture in any way (good or bad) as I'm an old weeb who just wants my giant robots and pocky.

 No.4768

>>4762
I was curious and a bit confused.

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 No.4789

What would the present be like if the Soviet Union had brought communism to the Pacific theatre? If the countries of East Asia all went with the Soviets?

 No.4868

>>4784
>>4789
>saged responses
&ltcontent is genuine questions and links
Is this some kind of sick joke or what?

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 No.4892

>>4868
are you the subhuman getting mad on /games/ and here for people using sage on a chan of all places

here, just for you

 No.4904

>>4892
>are you the subhuman
Nah that's just you.
>muh sage
Abusing sage as a reddit downvote is the sign of a newfag
>/games/
No, but seeing who you're talking about, sounds like you're a samefag
Bump, just for you, stay mad

 No.4910

Do Take the petty sagefag argument somewhere else, if it derails the topic again.

 No.4913

>>4910
Sage isn't bad, I just wondered why everyone was saging actual decent responses to the thread OP

>>4727
>>4729
>>4732
>>4756
>>4784
>>4789
Are all legit responses, and all of them are saged because…. I don't know.

>>4879
>>4892
This guy is just a spammer tho.

saged for off-topic

 No.4914

>>4789
While the USSR could definitely defeat the European Axis wholly on its own (Germany, Italy, Finland and the collective forces of Western Europe they amassed). It would be very exhausting, and while the Soviets maintained a large military force in the East to ward off the Japanese, the best they could do without the USA backing them up is push the Japs out of Manchuria and establish control of Northern Continental Asia.

>If Most of East Asia went with the Soviets

I mean… they did. Outside of Japan, whose loss at Khalkin Gol was partly why they took their chances striking at Pearl Harbor, Most of Asia was for the USSR. South Korea and its policies were established by brutal US enforcement and war. SEA had it's communists crushed by US and British forces or hired mercs who brutalized populations and enforced anti-communist criminal laws.

If the USSR had gotten control of East Asia more wholly, the USA would have had a lot less power projection and a lot less capability, while the USSR would have a valuable ally in a whole and functioning DPRK.

 No.4915

>>4729
The 14 year old age of consent is actually a sort of joke since it exists on almost uninhabited islands and other isolated areas of Japan.

 No.4985

Japan is only good for tourists.

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Press F for respect

 No.5007

>>4985
Eh, the HDI is still high. It's far from perfect but it certainly isn't an utterly shitty place to live either

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 No.5030

>>4725
How many posters are on this board just to shit on anime?

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 No.5055

>>5030
2 or 3 from what I've seen. They typically use sage to do it, so they're easy to spot, though it makes sage posting impossible to do without mistaken anger.

 No.5097

>>5048
cringe

 No.5111

>>4729
It's anime that is which is treated as weirder and immature for adults, whereas comics are more acceptable to consume.

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 No.5137

Were any of you chuunibyou formerly, ever?

 No.5142

Is it okay to purchase otaku products and remain a good communist?

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 No.5146

https://genius.com/Mc-virgins-weaboos-lyrics
Ayy, Ayy, jumpin' around like I'm Touka
Kirito, I might just, I might dethrone ya'
Erin, I'm swinging around the holster
Cowboy Bepop on my wall, that's a poster
And I might, hit your bitch with this special beam cannon
My apprentice like you Genos, just calm down, like please, dammit
Got that smile, Monkey D. Luffy
Think Nami might hug me and Happy so fluffy
So fire like I'm Natsu, please love me

 No.5150

>>5137
I mean not really, but I'll do some "Chuni" things on occasion for fun, oon impulse.

>>5142
No ethical consumption under capitalism. THat said, don't be a brainless consumer either.

 No.5350

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What even is revolutionary about weeaboos

 No.5356

>>5350
Nothing, there's literally nothing communist about liking weeb shit; it's personal taste. Faggots as always want to make a big deal out of it (eg. you can't be a communist and enjoy X). The only reason this board should exist imo is to give weebs a place to escape from the reactionary bullshit that often infests other weeb spaces.

 No.5363

>>5356
>only reason this board should exist imo is to give weebs a place to escape from the reactionary bullshit that often infests other weeb spaces.
Yes that's why we're here.

 No.5364

>>5146
>No naruto reference
&ltweaboo
Kek

 No.5578

Weeaboos have named kids after anime characters.

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 No.5581

required reading

 No.5582

>>5581
also does anyone else find it interesting how the past two eras in Japan started with otaku-related events? Heisei started with the Tsutomu Miyazaki case, and Reiwa started with the KyoAni arson attack.

 No.5603

>>5578
Not the worst thing they've done 2 be honest

 No.5644

Bump this thread.

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 No.5668

>>5648
>>5649
>>5650
Most of those are genuinely funny, the rest are just sad

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 No.5689

>>5648
>>5649
>>5650
>>5668
These are funny, sad, or cringeworthy on the one half, and utterly jackassery of the cringe compilers creating these videos on the other half.

 No.5693

>>5689
Yeah, that's what I meant. I laughed with most of the people who appeared in the video, not at them (either because they were purposefully funny or because they seemed to be having fun). And the rest are either "meh", actually cringy, or sad in the sense that I wouldn't ridicule them.

The jokes are obviously lost on the dumbasses who make those compilations.

 No.5712

>>5579
This is fake.

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 No.6069

bump

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 No.6255

>>4715
It actually seems like not a bad plan to communally clean up, if everyone has to do the same regardless.

>>6018
Based BPP.

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>Hiropon is a sculpture created in 1997 by Japanese artist Takashi Murakami. Produced during Murakami's so-called "bodily fluids" period, the 7.33 ft (223.5 cm) tall statue depicts an anime-inspired figure expelling streams of breast milk from her nipples. Like its companion piece My Lonesome Cowboy, it is an example of superflat art, an art movement founded by Murakami in the 1990s to criticize Japanese consumer culture.
>My Lonesome Cowboy is a sculpture created in 1998 by Japanese artist Takashi Murakami. Produced during Murakami's so-called "bodily fluids" period, the 9.45 ft-tall (288 cm) statue depicts an anime-inspired figure ejaculating a large strand of semen. Like its companion piece Hiropon, My Lonesome Cowboy is an example of superflat art, an art movement founded by Murakami in the 1990s to criticize Japanese consumer culture. The sculpture is noted as among Murakami's most famous works.
>My Lonesome Cowboy is an 9.45-foot-tall (288 cm) sculpture depicting a smiling nude anime-inspired male figure with spiked hair. The figure's legs are spread, and he is gripping his large erect penis, which is ejaculating semen that circles around his body like a lasso.

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 No.6303

>>6298
love leftists talking about consumerism while they buy flags and busts of marx and books they never read to decorate their shelves with

 No.6304

>>6303
It's ironic to see right wingers complain about consumerism when none of those rightoids are even living near an ascetic hermit monk life.

 No.6305

>>6303
Books have atleast some worth in itself

 No.6308

>>6303
We could have discussions on what consumer goods might look like under a more socialist mode of production (ie, Boris Arvatov's idea of the "Comradely Object", material culture in the USSR, GDR, etc) but rightoids don't seem particularly interested in that.

 No.6332

>>6305
Mangas are books.
And seeing the average leftypolack there is no difference whether they pretend to read Marx or Coolkyousinnjya.

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>>6303
Jokes on you I don't have any shelves.

 No.6350

>>4715
Making people clean up their own shit instead of having janitors do it all is unironically based and shouldn't be limited to schools.

 No.6432

A few days ago from today was the anniversary of the Fukushima nuclear accident.

 No.6468

Weebs showing solidarity over their interest (albeit it's escapism).

 No.6474

>>6347
That picture gives me anxiety

 No.6842

https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/162190.html#162212

On this similar topic, supposedly in Korea for some time all the references to Japanese things had to be remove before in the anime that were broadcast.

 No.7459

>>4868
>>4868
>>4868
Others in this thread did it, so, to this anon also, it seemed like a possibly fun, silly joke.

 No.7805

Is otakushit even today considered niche or is it popular nowadays?

 No.7806

>>7805
Otaku culture is massive, you need to be more specific.

 No.7845

>>6303
fla-what? I have zero leftist items and all my books are PDFs and ePubs

my most expensive purchase this year is a $250 Robovac – it's really helpful though

 No.7846

>>6303
Everyone on /leftypol/ is poorfags.

 No.7847

>>6350
> Making people clean up their own shit instead of having janitors do it all is unironically based and shouldn't be limited to schools.
it's still like that in ex-USSR countries' schools, but the teachers' power-tripping attitudes are horrible, so kids/teens just hate because it feels like forced labor instead of some honorable collaboration for the common good

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 No.8205

>>5712
It's not wrong

 No.8219

>>8204
oh now this I like, no more japanese flooding the rest of the world with retarded degenerate cartoons? sign me up.

 No.8220

>>4715
not exactly a good country, theres also their disgusting cartoons.

 No.8221

seems cool to me

 No.8222

>>8221
Yuugi best oni

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>>8222
Onis in general are based

 No.8224

>>8221
They don't look like that in canon THOUGH

 No.8226

>>8223
Yes they are.

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>>8222
>>8223
>>8226
>humans, but with horns
Boring.

 No.8229

>>8227
Don't shit on Yuugi mofo

 No.8230

>>8227
ah yes. Red humans with horns, much better

 No.8231

>>8230
You forgot to post furshit with your post.

 No.8232

>>8226
this ones bland af
just like fate in general tbhbrocialismBrocialism

 No.8255

>>8232
I agree with the fact that fate is a very bland series, but I think Raita's characters are well designed even if his style can be off-putting.
>>8227
Don't be pedant.

 No.8266

>>8232
I liked the VN and some of the anime, but I lost interest after trying to get into the other stuff. There is way too much fucking fate shit.

 No.8272

Japanese culture wouldn't be so reactionary if it weren't for Western influence.

 No.8274

>>8272
Well, they wouldn't be like this if they had surrendered to the USSR instead of the USA.

 No.8382

If only the Soviets had taken Japan though.
They'd have a major advantage in Korea, and obviously so would China.
There'd be a more powerful red bloc in the East.
The war in Vietnam would've been more difficult to prosecute and the Communists there'd have an easier time.

 No.8732

Orientalism Thread >>7763

School Theme Thread >>7837

 No.8935

How badly did the violent activities of the Japanese New Left scare people and set the Left back?albaniaAlbania

 No.8938

>>7887
That is quite the contrast.

 No.8953

>>8382
That's why the Atom Bombs dropped.

 No.8954

>>8227
>Based Oni lovers
yes yes yes yes

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 No.9035

>>9029
>lib Japan trying to show the world that they're not racist anymore and that they're cool like other first world countries, despite their still horrible treatment of foreigners and their own workers, and their other, numerous problems
<WTF JAPAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE LE BASED RACIALLY HOMOGENEOUS TRAD ANIME EMPIRE!! I'M NOT GOING THERE ANYMORE, YOU'VE BEEN TAINTED BY UYGHURS!!
No one can possibly be this stupid, those have to be bots

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 No.9038

>>9035
>No one can possibly be this stupid, those have to be bots
You'd be surprised how many people believe Japan is le based ethnostate when it's a giant aircraft carrier for the US, completely subservient to the needs of their master.
Or how the easily ignore how Abe made it possible to import cheap labour from SEA while the JCP opposed it.

 No.9041

>>9036
My dude, leftyweebpol's content on wayback has been posted here many times, thanks tho.

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burkina_fasoBurkina Faso

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 No.9061

>>9050
kek I'd been thinking about these "incidents" lately
Hetafags are insufferably retarded even to this day, it's like they are incapable of seeing the implications of what they do and say and watch.

 No.9069

>>9053
>>9050
>>9051
Hetalia is cringe and always has been,

 No.9074

>>9069
I still like some of the characters tho
There's not enough USSR/communist fanart

 No.9082

>>9074
They're mostly pretty-boys and it feels like a really gay roleplay.

 No.9105

>>9082
>mostly pretty boys
Which is why I like them
Also because I'm still a bit attached to them due to nostalgia

 No.9115

So supposedly these BHs aren't "Marxist", but they do use "dialectical materialism". https://nitter.42l.fr/BlkHmmrTimes/status/1419321578500894720#m

And recently have harassed, in the typical BH autism, the PSL about their activities at events for Cuban socialism, even though both support Cuba.

Also, there are some extremely shitty takes on Helen Keller from BH.

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 No.9184

>>9115
>booktrap
accurate, Sakaists and other such retards are cancer who want black ethno-nationalism but trying justify it as "anti-colonialism"

>>9181
>gender ideology
<if the parents know the baby to be male, they are more likely to ascribe the kicking to the fact that the child is male and therefore assumed to be more physically active by nature
Yep, this is radlib trash that will be yet another excuse to abuse children under the guise of "gender identity" positivity. All this based on tangential anecdotes, badly done "studies" and a clearly reek of sex-obsessed ideology projected onto ill people and children supposedly based on what moeshit anime promote in the capitalist market. It's just such a cart of scummy manipulative opinion that just thinking of how wrong it is raises red flags.
>inb4 why/explain/'no-argument"
This is the kind of longwinded, rainbow capitalist radlib twaddle that would take longer to debunk in sufficient detail than the actual article itself, and nobody is going to read that.

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bolshevikBolshevik

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>>9272
What was the pic and what is the relevance?

 No.9502

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/01/16/anim-j16.html

>Magia Record, Kakushigoto, Fruits Basket and Sword Art Online: A general review of anime in 2020


>Anime is an immensely popular entertainment and art global medium, particularly among young people. It is one, however, to which socialist criticism or general sociological criticism is never (at least consistently) applied. There are millions of texts, blogs and words devoted to comparing one anime with another, but this is almost always done from a fairly superficial or purely personal standpoint rather than one that contextualizes the medium politically and historically.


>We are writing about anime to encourage audiences who, at this point, tend to accept the material that passes before their eyes rather uncritically from a social point of view to begin demanding more substantial work. We live in acutely tense and complex times, and the generalities and banalities that anime has thrived on to this point are wholly inadequate.


>Here, therefore, is a review of a selection of anime that aired throughout 2020 with an eye on different genres, source materials and studios as well as popularity and, admittedly, the author’s own personal interests.

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>>9502
Based

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>How did burgers go from calling Japanese people slant-eyed Tojo Japs 80 years ago to claiming them as whites now?
A large portion of East Asian Americans have successfully entered the middle class and have attained some form of higher education thus raising a generation of well-mannered and educated Asians who behave and speak in a way typical of whites, and since in America white people (and Jews) have historically been the only people to have been part of the middle class and higher until the mid to late 20th century middle class status and manners have come to be associated with whiteness and this has been the rock on which white supremacist ideology was founded.
It's interesting to note that the designation of Asian people as "white" came in successive waves of immigration over the decades, first it was the Japanese as they were the closest culturally to the west, then after the Korean War Korean immigration ticked up considerably and now even Chinese people have started to be considered the same as their other Japanese and Korean brethren when historically they were considered the lowest of Asian people although this is still not as uniform as it is with other Asians, not to mention that even many Indochinese people have also attained the same status. You can also see this starting to happen with even some Latino people considering themselves white, and to a much lesser extent with some black people adopting white mannerisms much more recently as many more black people have started to enter the middle class comfortably.

So tl;dr: Being "white" in America is short for being comfortably part of the middle and upper class.

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>>10486
About the black people thing, I've noticed that a lot of them are now eating seafood, the ultimate white people food.

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>>10486
On the topic of weebshit and /pol/ >>10491

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>>10538
I'm a way too old otaku who's always been into a lot of underground Japanese subculture shit thanks to learning the language but even I have to be amazed at the sort of shallow orientalism that's going on on imageboards, like cumming at sakura trees, larping as an imperialist or making Japan seem as the last trad ethnostate (it really isn't), or more recently and what prompted me to make this thread, someone posting a picture of their room with a huge ass poster of Tokyo's subway map. Like really? What's the appeal of that? Sure, he might have been a train otaku, but nothing else in the picture indicated that.

To sum it up, fuck orientalism.

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>>10486
Where did that misconception of Japan being trad come from? They're just as degenerate as Americans and just as spergy. They have traditions that are only traditions of habit now it seems. They're an isolated nation we must remember.
I think it's funny because Japan's values are the exact opposite of American's ones.
>One of the strictiest gun laws in the world
>Nanny state - fining people for not strictly following the rules and using an ironically informal blacklist for individuals that do not follow them, mirroring China's Social Credit Score.
>Not individualist at all
>Merit doesn't really matter
>Religion is a private matter instead of being shoved down your throat
>Public shaming keeps freedom of speech in check
>No freedom to criticize the government
And so on, but looks like burgers are willing to trade their "values" in exchange of having less commies (read: liberals) around them.
<well you see, the japs are submissive and they are well behaved and cultured and maintain their traditions so they don’t need guns to defend themselves!
Japanese people used to be cool and rebellious back in the 60s-80s, but modern nips are effectively domesticated and brainwashed by their ideological state apparatus. There's a reason why leftism is a pretty fringe thing in Japan. This is very much evident in anime or manga too. Japan's definitely not like some rightoid's wet dream, but it also lacks people and movements that want to change the system for the better along progressive leftist lines. Japan's just filled with confused youth who aren't critically well-equipped to denigrate the current system because no one in Japan guides them towards leftist philosophies. So all they do is rationalize their just anxieties as personality flaws and try to "come of age", which basically means to fit in and look the part (the recent Evangelion 4.0 conclusion is a good example >>9774 ).
Call this perhaps Nazbol, but there is something tragic about how Japanese culture has been majorly cucked by modernity and imperialism, sort of like how the Korean used in the DPRK and the southern entity have become at times unintelligible to each other, so some say.

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>>10547
>>10550
>>10486
>[foolish] samurai
On the topic of Jap Otaku LARP >>>/edu/1855

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>>10550
>>10551
>but there is something tragic about how Japanese culture has been majorly cucked by modernity and imperialism
I mean they wholesale rejected their culture in a feverish drive to modernize themselves as fast as possible during Meiji era. Yet another impact of Zaibatsu policies.
<Nevertheless, after the Meiji Restoration of 1868, governmental policies of modernization and westernization dictated a wholesale rejection of the preceding feudal era. Even the best elements of Edo-period culture were deemed outdated and vulgar and were thought to require prompt and thorough extirpation.
<When, for example, a school of fine arts was founded in Tokyo’s Ueno Park during the Meiji period, the Japanese government established a department of Western music but made no provisions for the study of traditional Japanese music. Today hardly anyone would agree with this policy, but it took many years before Japanese traditional music began to be regarded as equal in value to Western music. And it was not until after World War II that Japanese music was made part of the official public school curriculum.
Another big example of this is the creation of state Shinto. Before that Shinto and Buddhism were so intertwined it was to distinguish what was Shinto and what was Buddhist, given how many Shinto sanctuaries and Buddhist temples were built near each other and were supposed to "help" each other. For example, the monks prayed to make the kami residing in the sanctuary attached to their temple to convert it to Buddhism. Then the Meiji government made up state Shinto, forced the separation of Buddhism and Shinto and uniformed Shinto practices throughout the country, this way countless of actually traditional Shinto practices got lost forever.

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>>10610
This is not to say that old Edo Japan is better for the average person over all.
>Samurai were abolished of their special privilege as a feudal class. The Samurai were pretty much permitted to rape and murder whoever they wanted prior the the Meiji Reforms. Random laymen could be stopped and murdered in spontaneity if the Samurai wanted and no consequences would follow. For example, there is a practice known as Tsujigiri in which Samurai would test their new blade(s) on an unfortunate civilian. In other words, the Samurai pretty much had 100% impunity from any crime (against peasants) any ancient civilized society would deem depraved.
>The Samurai were not noble compassionate super-warriors like they were shown on TV and Japanese Imperial Era bastardized Bushido. Instead, they were an extremely oppressive class of nobles who exacted intense suffering onto those below them with virtually no consequences. The only real “traditional Samurai spirit” one can see in the actions of the Imperial Japanese were their absolute brutality fueled by unbridled hubris. Samurai in the warring states period always switches allegiances and surrenders were a totally acceptable outcome. It’s only when the Imperial Japanese needed to impress the Westerners and convince the West of their civility that they began spinning and bastardizing the Samurai narrative to fit the rose-tint lenses of the Western perspective.
The Meiji Restoration brought a transition to capitalism and so advanced social rights and other aspects from the feudal oppression. It's something that Rounin Kenshin goes into a bit.

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/barker-c/1982/meiji/index.html
Why the shogunate did not get overthrown prior to the 1860s https://archive.ph/HN5lW
The Last Samurai from cinematographic perspective https://archive.ph/q55fB Historical Accuracy https://archive.ph/mU5EY

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>>10610
>>10614
>The Last Samurai
On the subject of Samurai, Bushido and the fantasy of noble warriors, the article below goes into Ghost of Tsushima and how, while it attempts to use the aesthetics of Kurosawa, it completely misses the mark on his films and their meanings and like many other typical samurai media like Last Samurai makes them into heroic legends. That said the game is apparently very high quality and a well-written fantasy.
https://archive.ph/3dqrz

 No.10820

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>>9029
That looks like Rin Nohara, a /pol/ favorite, LMAO

 No.10869

>>8226
>those horns
god that's terrible, looks like some pulsating turgid tumor on the pics brow

 No.10889

Why is it that most otaku these days are right wingers? Otaku culture used to be leftist back in 20th century.

 No.10890

>>10889
because the left (and right wing progressives like left wing liberals) abandoned anime spaces and comunities and really just shit on them everytime and never want to be associated with them, same thing with gaming, tough in gaming our presence is very thin,but it still marginal.

 No.10891

>>10889
You should meet more people.

 No.10892

>>10889
See >>10491 and the assorted thread replies

 No.10911

>>10889
Chan culture influence

 No.10990

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>>10487
>seafood
>the ultimate white people food.
That feel when the earliest archeological findings of upright humans in Africa had them living on the coast eating sea food.

Also do Japanese fetishize Black people (muh blacked) like rightoid incels in America do? Like yeah there is some Black on Asian stuff ( >>9029 ), just about every fetish has some content in this porn-addled capitalist culture, but I mean specifically a focus on the fetish. From my observations both personally and in social media, they tend to be into whites and dislike blacks, edging into racism at times.

 No.11308

Something very common to weebs is an obsession in Right-Wing Japanese politics and their treatment of other nations like Korea or China - thus denial of Nanking and other atrocities that the veterans of the wars themselves admitted. "労務者" (rōmusha) programs having individuals that are "willing" or "benefited" kind of ignores the fact that people that live in such conditions have to change to survive - doing this kind of shit and keeping pretenses of pride leads to death; there is a reason some rape victims act more sexually promiscuous after, trauma and dealing in it is terrible.
An example of this is Videos 1 and 2 and article related https://archive.ph/mxVWb
Links to said videos in Ytube
1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9syNRdgz_Xw https://archive.ph/4LNQ5
2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVW-Aryn3PU&ab_channel=FUKUSHIMAVideos https://archive.ph/md5rC
The second video refers to documents uploaded on http://texas-daddy.com/comfortwomen.htm (yes the URL is legit and you can use archive.is if you're wary).

Video 3 is a counter to some of stuff in the first 2 videos

 No.12917

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Thoughts on weebs learning Japanese only to consume more otaku media?
I mean people are so obsessed with otaku garbage to the point their entire life revolves around it, their entire identity's shaped by it. They only find fulfillment in consooming otaku media all day all night. So they want to learn Japanese to consoom and maybe someday go to Japan to finally lose their virginity. I'm talking about that kind of hardcore weebs who are mostly into visual novels. Not your average weeb who watches anime now and then.

 No.12918

Fuck off normalfag.

 No.12919

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What's wrong with wanting to learn a different language to stop depending on (often terrible) translations?

 No.12921

The issue then is not with their wanting to learn the language. I don't have a strong opinion either way; it's not a major problem.
I don't have a problem with people who are into the more obscure stuff like Japanese-only VNs only because of that fact. However they're most often lolicons, coomers, and other kinds of unpleasant people that I wouldn't want to interact with, but that's it. Like many things in the world, it's a symptom, so there's no point in focusing on it.

>>12918
Back to /a/ fag

>>12919
This

 No.12922

>>12917
>>12921
It's fine if you want to be oversocialized NPCs but don't come ruin the anime board with your neuroses.

 No.12923

>>12922
>>12918
>muh NPC
>muh normalfag
Smells like 4chan incel in here

 No.12924

>>12919
No one is against learning Japanese. It's about what unhealthy obsessions motivates weebs and how it is actively encouraged in communities.

 No.12925

What I noticed is that by learning Japanese people(especially white) expect their life to change. These are disillusioned people who hate the country they live in. Who basically have nothing better to do in life.

 No.12926

>>12924
Considering the vitriol in your thread starter (which makes me wonder why you're on the anime board at all), I have a feeling you think any otaku has an "unhealthy obsession" with 2D because you don't like it and hide it under a pretense of caring for their mental health or something. Stop concern trolling any time.

 No.12928

>>12917
>>12924
>>12925
Ok, you're deranged. I advise anyone seeing this thread from not replying further to this normalfaggot.
What's with the string of terrible threads today?

 No.12929

>>12926
You're just being a schizo. Why would I specifically mention "Not your average weeb who watches anime now and then".
Did you feel offended? Lmao

 No.12931

>>12929
Funny you imply I'm offended when you give a fuck about what people masturbate to just like your average conservatard.
Unlike you, normalfag, I'm accepting of all otaku (as long as they are leftists, of course).

 No.12933

>>12931
>otaku (as long as they are leftists
Too bad most of them aren't.
I don't understand why you're even seething

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 No.12935

>>12933
Because you're a normalfag coming into an anime board to seek validation for your hatred of otaku, which is frankly a very bizarre thing to do. It's bizarre to complain about outcasts on an imageboard in general, really. If someone is an otaku by definition they're "hardcore" to mainstream society.
If your thread is supposedly about an overwhelming minority, why even make the thread in the first place? Almost all people into VNs never bother learning Japanese and are fine with whatever translation they can find, too.
Did you make this thread just to reaffirm to yourself that you are a Normal Person™?

 No.12936

>>12934
Ironic weeaboos are so annoying and really ruined it for everyone. "Yeah, I like anime but I don't watch it that often. Fuck otaku! I'm not like those weirdos. Heh heh…"
It's fine if you're depressed or you got mindfucked by society and need to fit in so you can't enjoy anything anymore (or admit to others that you enjoy things) but at least let people still into it do their thing in peace.
To further my point: Hardcore otaku are a lot more interesting to talk to than normalfags like you.

 No.12939

>>12935
Your bizarre seething is very soothing for some reason. Is this your first day here? Every other thread is basically just shitting on otaku in this board. This thread is pretty tame compared to that shit.

>why even make the thread in the first place?

To get more information on the kind of culture and material conditions that creates these people.

 No.12940

>>12917
op youre getting quite mad about a strawman thats living rent free in your head

>le consoom le weeb le coom

you forgot your wojak

 No.12941

>>12936
>Hardcore otaku are a lot more interesting to talk to than normalfags like you.
Okay. Then go talk to them about your #172737th waifu.

 No.12942

>>12940
Apparently that's not a strawman because someone who is exactly like that is getting mad in the replies.

 No.12944

>>12940
There's definitely some truth to what OP said but what can you do about it. It's just natural that escapism and moe girls will attract weirdos. It's useless even discussing about them.

 No.12971

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>>12931
>conservatard
burger liberal spotted.
>I'm accepting of all otaku (as long as they are leftists
Hilarious ideologue pseudshit - you could be the scum of a fandom and be welcome because "hurr I, a totally honest guy support communism!" ignoring the fact that consumerism by default goes against actual leftism, and that hardcore escapism only helps capitalism.

Otaku are defined today by consumerism and nearly none of them do anything productive unlike the 80s and 90s that had Otaku actually take part in creating works. Even then in the 90s, the trend of brainless waifufag consumerism had begun.

>>12922
>muh NPC
<muh normies
Go back.

 No.12975

>>12971
>none of them do anything productive unlike the 80s and 90s that had Otaku actually take part in creating works
It's ridiculous to think that a lot of innovate shit otaku media is known for were made in that era. There were a lot of communist creators too back then. Then came the 00s..

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>>12971
>nearly none of them do anything productive unlike the 80s and 90s that had Otaku actually take part in creating works
You're willfully ignorant of the literally millions of artists in social media just to support your notion that Old Good New Bad. It's so tiring with you people, always the same fucking terrible substanceless opinions. Also I'd never say "normie", thank you very much.

 No.12979

>>12978
>pure coomer artists

 No.12980

>>12979
So we went from "nobody wants to create anything anymore" to "it doesn't count because I don't like it". Consider your opinion and nuspeak discarded.

 No.12982

>>12980
Not him and not my problem you can't read.

 No.12983

>>12982
Otaku don't take part in creating works even though there's more people than ever doing exactly that. But this somehow doesn't count and everything sucks now and everything was good before because…?

 No.12985

>>12983
No one fucking cares if more of them are producing same coomer waifu garbage aimed at rich incels. I need something creative and good.

 No.12986

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>>12978
>Muh normie
<normalfag is different, look at de graph
Potatoe, potato, fuck off, pseud
>willfully ignorant of the literally millions of artists in social media
No I am not, I have seen it and coomershit made en masse for nitter is incomparable to the insane effort done in the 80s and 90s, editing 8mm film, making manga spinoffs and garage kit modeling, all lacking today's convenient tech. Today it is far less common in the fandom at large for there to be productive content, the only reason you can claim millions is cuz the internet has made anime and manga accessible to far more people than VHS and laserdisc copies ever did.
>Old Good New Bad
Because you're a n00b that at best has no taste.
>t's so tiring with you people
right back at you

 No.12988

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>>12975
>Then came the 00s
Excuse me? the 00s had tons of innovation by fans even in spite of the encroaching capitalist bleaching, I can rcall the hand-built forum sites like The Quidditch Pitch and Apartment 402 and Oro Jackson.

 No.12989

>>12985
>>12986
You are the guys mad and depressed that anime supposedly sucks now, even worse, quite blatantly sexually repressed conservacucks while the best you can do is imply I'm an amerilard or underaged while larping as an oldfag with passé terminology.
Why do you try to pin it on me when I'm still capable of enjoying anime while you don't?

>the only reason you can claim millions is cuz the internet has made anime and manga accessible to far more people than VHS and laserdisc copies ever did.

lmao so you agree with me? Oh wait, it doesn't count because it doesn't appeal to your specific tastes. The number of anime and manga produced has only increased, at least stop spouting lies like otaku are less involved when they're more involved than ever. That was never really a concern for you.

 No.12991

>>12989
>quite blatantly sexually repressed conservacucks
This is really a weird strawman thrown around all the time. No one is against sex or coomer shit. When most shit is another millionth copy of the same coomertrash escapism moe waifubait you know there's something wrong.

 No.12993

>>12991
The only thing you guys have complained about, more than anything, is "porn" and "sexualization". If that isn't being a sexually repressed conservacuck then I don't know what is. I'd like to think my posts are much less of a strawman than getting called "American" or a "zoomer" out of fucking nowhere despite being a third worlder in his 30s (not that you care).

 No.13011

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>>12989
>the guys mad and depressed that anime supposedly sucks now
It does.
>Muh sexually repressed conservacucks
Burgeroid mongposters ought to be banned for retarded takes like this; "Ooooh you don't like [X], you must secretly like it!"
>imply I'm an amerilard or underaged while larping as an oldfag with passé terminology
You talk and act like a burger and your claim of 'larp" is a fail too.
>so you agree with me
Dios mio… No, you dumb cactus, the quality overall is lower, but the sample size of today is far larger; the basic concept of quality v quantity, idiot.
>The number of anime and manga produced has only increased
Nonsequitur and again, quantity =/= quality, the anime today are noted to be worse by anyone not a newfag like you.

>>12993
>nly thing you guys have complained about, more than anything, is "porn" and "sexualization"
LMAO you actually are making things up. People are pointing out this because it is intrinsic to otaku today, noted by literally every mangaka, animator, etc. of the industry and weebs themselves, ergo the egregious and excessive fanservice even in shows aimed at younger audiences, compared to anime fo the prior decades.
>I'd like to think
You don't think, you just whack off and spout bullshit.
>despite being a third worlder in his 30s
1) I don't believe you
2) T.A.N.G.O.T.I.
3) If true, then you're even more of a retard for it.

 No.13032

>>12922
>oversocialized
What the fuck does that even mean?
>>12931
>>12928
And I recommend that you go outside as well as read a fucking book. I don't care if someone is a "normalfag", you're not oppressed for being more into anime than an average person.

 No.13033

>>13011
>2) T.A.N.G.O.T.I.
Not him but how is this misogynistic shit relevant? Fucking clown

 No.13046

>>13033
>misogynistic
It's not misogynistic, and you're the clown for thinking that, fucking newfag.
>relevant
Same principle, applied to idpol of raace rather than gender, claiming to be black or female or whatever on an anon forum is retarded because it's used to give the anon "credential" to deflect criticism, and unless proof gets posted, they're a blowhard. There's a reaason "anon" is blank or red or green - indicating a placeholder for anyone, because your identity is contradictive to anonymity.

 No.13070

>>13046
>It's not misogynistic, and you're the clown for thinking that
It is, but you obviously don't and porbably wouldn't understand. Enforcing such a "rule" inevitably ends up alienating those who aren't the "default" of "white American male" (especially those who are female).
>fucking newfag
We're not on 4chan and you're saying "newfag" as if that meant something or were an actual argument kek. Sorry for questioning a retarded "tradition" of imageboard "culture" that I believe should be done away with!
>applied to idpol of raace rather than gender, claiming to be black or female or whatever on an anon forum is retarded because it's used to give the anon "credential" to deflect criticism, and unless proof gets posted, they're a blowhard
"Idpol"? Oh yeah, because fighting identity politics is totally the same as telling people on an imageboard that they aren't non-white, third worlders or female until proven otherwise.
Besides, that faggot is partly right, people here are (pretty randomly) accused of being American or zoomer or whatever, as if only Americans or zoomers were capable of having certain opinions, to discredit those opinions and avoid having to make an actual argument. But replying "actually, I'm not American so you're wrong about that and just assuming things about me" is somehow worse, or automatically means you're trying to deflect criticism or forcing idpol?
>because your identity is contradictive to anonymity
But as it turns out, you're not enforcing anonymity any more. Anonymity means that nobody knows exactly who you are, not that no one should ever have a vague idea of what you are, and even while "anonymous" you can guess things about the posters' real life identities, or learn which poster is which across the site. Being free to talk about yourself or your thoughts on certain matters, without being tracked and identified irl or on other sites, is one of the benefits of being anonymous. It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone must pretend that they're all the exact same person behind the screen. I could reveal something about myself in this thread, and in others I'll say something entirely unrelated and seem like two different people, and no one would be able to know it's both me except the mods because they can look at my post history, unless I used a name or avatar. That is anonymity.
By being pedantic about people casually mentioning their race, gender, etc. even when relevant, you're not fighting actual idpol, in fact, you're not even refuting anything with that. If you insist on "fighting idpol", the correct response to him should've been "it doesn't matter if you're American or a third-worlder" and left it at that since you had already addressed his main point. But now that I think about it, he wasn't even arguing anything when he mentioned that, it was just an example he gave.

Fuck you dumbass, I will continue to shit on you and your 4shitter culture

 No.13089

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>>13070
>obviously don't and porbably wouldn't understand.
<I can't explain the nonexistant sexism of the idea of complete anonymity in regards to identity on a chan!
It isn't, liberal.
> Enforcing such a "rule" inevitably ends up alienating those who aren't the "default" of "white American male"
<Muh Yt malez!!!
Literally the entire context is mocking burgers fore outing their inane ideologies, and the pathetic attempt to deflect criticism by claiming to be "le third world" having no proof. Go back to reddit.
>We're not on 4chan
Yeah, it's remodeled Bunkerchan called leftyPOL.org that originated ON 4chan you fucking hack. Newfag has been used here for years, n00b.
>as if that meant something
It does, it means you're a newcomer spouting inane liberal takes.
>muh no argument
There is no argument because you have none to begin with
>Sorry for questioning a retarded "tradition"
It's not retarded, the maxim is simple and logical; You are ANONYMOUS meaning you have no privilege in a conversation by the nature of race, gender or any other aspect, so nobody can cry "I'm [X] and totally have authority about that topic" an entitled burger mentality, and contrary to anonymity.
>because fighting identity politics is totally the same as telling people on an imageboard that they aren't non-white, third worlders or female until proven otherwise.
Yeah it is, see the above. Anyone that brings up a claim to be of [X] identity seeks to reclaim the 'advantage' of it in a conversation, because you're too vapid to actually argue a point, or just post proof.
>people here are (pretty randomly) accused of being American or zoomer or whatever
Because Americans & zoomers re the general majority of these opinion types and word uses.
> is somehow worse, or automatically means you're trying to deflect criticism or forcing idpol?
Generally speaking, yeah; that is typical /pol/ tactics when they try to pretend a "hello there fellow leftists" approach. /siberia/ has an entire thread dedicated to examples of /pol/ trying to do this
>not that no one should ever have a vague idea of what you are
It does in regards to a conversation wherein you are called out for literal america-tier liberal takes, and try to pull a "I'm totally an adult, and not white, and third-world too!" It sounds doubtful and an attempt to deflect criticism
>By being pedantic about people casually mentioning their race, gender,
<Mentioning a general rule of internet anonymity in passing is being pedantic
LMAO imagine making a mountain out of a molehill like that, you've made an entire retarded diatribe about a LITERAL ACRONYM I posted casually, you fucking dramatic prick.
Also See above, it's not about race and gender, it is about using your identity (or claim to an identity) to try and deflect criticism or give yourself authority on an identarian subject.
>Fuck you dumbass, I will continue to shit on you and your 4shitter culture
LMAO you're a retard. The guy didn't even reply to my post but you whipped yourself into a fury over an issue nobody had. You're just picking a fight for no reason.

 No.13090

I'm fine with other people I have never met and will never engage with make a single of their hobbies their identity. Worrying about things beyond my control is not my style. People are shallow. Studying shallow people just means you're also shallow. Stereotypes are likely not even real. They just live in your head OP.

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>>10990
>do Japanese fetishize Black people
Before the 2010s, not really. But this interracial fetishism is on the rise there, (probably due to their decades of burger servitude and the closed-eyes attitude to US Army rape of their women).

An example: VR porn where you get to take magic black man pills and transform into a black man so you can take sexual revenge.
The titles are long as fuck. Must be a cultural thing. Kind of a good idea to just explain every last detail of the film instead of picking a cool title and leaving it to the imagination. Here's a translation:
>[VR] Girls tease me for my small penis. When I take a pill that's supposed to make you grow down there, I turn into a black man! Fucking them with my super strong black dick, I get my revenge on them with powerful SEX!
This is it in Japanese:
>最強の黒巨チンを手に入れて仕返しのパワーSEXで見返してやった!森沢かな 花宮レイ 新川愛七 笹倉杏

 No.13929

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>>12917
I mean give it a shot, it's not necessarily a fruitless effort if you're truly dedicated Master Ken proved it, pic rel.

 No.14007

>>12971
>ignoring the fact that consumerism by default goes against actual leftism, and that hardcore escapism only helps capitalism.
excuse me comrade, but I believe you mispoke, it's not "consumerism", but Developing the Productive Forces, AKA the New Economic Policy

 No.14102

>>14007
>it's not "consumerism", but Developing the Productive Forces, AKA the New Economic Policy
t.MarketSocialist

 No.14139

>>14102
t. anti leninist

 No.14172

>>14139
>Implying Lenin supported NEP for any reason outside of alleviating a brief post-war economic crisis to set up the transition to non-market economic systems
LMAO

 No.14179

>>14139
ah yes lenin well known supporter of markets

 No.14180

>>12971
>>14007
how does consumerism go against leftism when even marx wasnt against it lol

 No.14191

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This is probably why the Burgerstanis instigated the ouster.

 No.14275

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Logo_Daedalus talks games.

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 No.14526

Could have also just pirated his waifu, the guy who married one of the girls from LovePlus can always rely on emulators if his DS breaks.

 No.14532

Sometimes you can request companies to release the code to their proprietary software or force them to via lawsuit.

 No.14534

>>14532
>Sometimes you can request companies to release the code to their proprietary software or force them to via lawsuit.
To sue every company that are bricking products with obsolescence schemes, you have to pay a lot of lawyers. Maybe we would be better off just paying that money to opensource projects to make sustainable tech from the start.

 No.14571


 No.14572

>>14534
There is a free AI lawyer thing around. I cant recall it's name.

 No.14583

>>14571
Are you the same person who posted that link to a Japanese board for women where they were asking how to identify lolicon men? Why are you posting these things?

 No.14629

>>14172
>>14179
yeah you see, it's markets that is being claimed to cause consumerism. this is the trouble with people just posting stuff before defining their terms - when that retard said CONSUMERISM INCOMPATIBLE WITH LEFTISM he specifically meant that Leftism is incompatible with any forms of market.
>>14180
probably some situationist stuff. all Leftism is his extremely specific personal philosophy, you see.

 No.14638

>>12971
>ignoring the fact that consumerism by default goes against actual leftism, and that hardcore escapism only helps capitalism.
http://www.ephemerajournal.org/contribution/towards-consumerist-critique-capitalism-socialist-defence-consumer-culture
it doesn't, you're just stupid. read more, liberal.

 No.14644

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>>14629
>he specifically meant that Leftism is incompatible with any forms of market.
Correct
>all Leftism is his extremely specific personal philosophy
Snide word-play that you put into the mouths of others, does not make you excluded from the same folly.

>>14638
>read more, liberal
<I googled an article to 'defend' me because I had no argument and got butthurt
Yeah, don't tell people to "read more" if you clearly didn't read the article yourself. The article make some fair points but much of it is taking quotes of various 'famous communists' and cutting out their context (like you are) and so creating the illusion that "consumerism is A-Ok in socialism" ignoring
A) Real world considerations as per the actual real life impacts on/in socialist countries
B) The consumerism of products like cameras or furniture or children's toys is significantly different to fandom consumerism of products.
It does not address Lenin's critique of consumerism and instead goes off into a tangent. It is just another long-winded excuse trying to justify bourg-'leftism' and has the utterly unaware gall to accuse anti-consumerism as being "bourg"
>you're just stupid
Indeed you are, and a bad-faith argumentator at that, not only did you take a very specific excerpt out of context but you also ignored the rest of my point on the mechanisms of consumerism in regards to Otakuism.

TL;DR: See Affluenza: How Overconsumption Is Killing Us and How to Fight Back by John De Graaf

 No.14694

>>14644
>A) Real world considerations as per the actual real life impacts on/in socialist countries
my understanding is that some form of consumerism, not meaning psychological patterning of behaviour to favour consumption but rather the productive element of consumerism, existed in various kinds of real socialism - if we discount Dengism, then we still have Honecker's approach, or the Lange-Lerner model.
>B) The consumerism of products like cameras or furniture or children's toys is significantly different to fandom consumerism of products.
Yes, so here we mean where fandom consumerism is as much shaped by the product as the other way around. however, it's one thing to discuss how capitalism creates it's ideal consumer through cultural domination, and quite another to present the effects of this as some sort of personal moral failing.
>It does not address Lenin's critique of consumerism
then we have to be including this from the get-go - this isn't the Leninist Anime Board, if you say "real leftism", it will not be automatically understood that this is what you're referring to - you could be referring to literally anything, otherwise. The article does indeed dismiss Lenin out of hand, though - it points out a discrepancy between Marx's theory of revolution and Lenin's, specifically the role of imperialism, and from there takes the liberty of not investigating it further, which is disappointing.
>It is just another long-winded excuse trying to justify bourg-'leftism' and has the utterly unaware gall to accuse anti-consumerism as being "bourg"
When we talk about anti-consumerism without reference to already existing socialist movements, which you are not doing but I think it's relevant in exploring the meaning of the term, we generally find individual attempts to escape consumerism, like going off grid or having a garden farm. These behaviours are distinctly the kind bourgies partake in because they have the greater leisure resources to do so, whilst society quite deliberately raises the bar of entry to this lifestyle to almost everyone else. So in this sense, reducing critique of a larger system to a specific opposition to a singular aspect lends itself to impotent moralisations rather than an actual solution to the problem at hand, it is a problematic label.
>and a bad-faith argumentator at that
my main purpose was to try and determine where exactly your stance was coming from, because it wasn't clear originally.
>TL;DR: See Affluenza: How Overconsumption Is Killing Us and How to Fight Back by John De Graaf
thanks for the rec

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>>14694
Listen CONSUMING things is not in and of itself consumerism as the ideology of consumerism is defined. By the very nature of existing and living humans HAVE to consume, you consume resources to survive and as an intelligent being continue to try and nourish your intellect. This is not the same as buying shit and "consooming product". The immediate assumption on this site by anyone that isn't being disingenuous or a n00b, is that by consumerism the latter term is being referred to. This is accepted by default. That is the reason leftypol has laughed at /pol/-bait about iphones and similar crap and the concrete rule of "No Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism (is possible)"
>quite another to present the effects of this as some sort of personal moral failing.
Nowhere did I imply that. I explicitly stated that ideologue nonsense about "anyfandom/consumerism is acceptable if they claim to be leftist" ought to be rejected outright as an easy method to turn a blind eye to bad shit because "hurr uncritical support". Literal Kochinsky shit.
>this isn't the Leninist Anime Board
It is now. But in all seriousness. By leftism leftypol has almost exclusively meant communism/socialism and in cases anarchism, and the marxist model is the primary one of the site, ML being a close second. I should have perhaps replaced leftism with socialism but it'd been a snappy response to a shitty post on a random thread of a Chinese Checkers forum.
>it points out a discrepancy between Marx's theory of revolution and Lenin's
And ignores that Lenin's reason for the discrepancy is based on Marx's folly of ignoring several factors such as peasantry, proven by Marx's utterly ignorant dismissal of Russia as a revolutionary origin, despite Russia having the longest history of uprisings and attempted people's revolutions and revolts in Europe during and before Marx's lifetime. Marx, despite recognizing Prussian ideology in Germany ignored that in his claim that countries like Germany would become the centers of Revolution in the step to socialism and communism, something that the crushing of the various West European communist revolution attempts prior to and after the October Revolution demonstrate.
>These behaviours are distinctly the kind bourgies partake in because they have the greater leisure resources to do so
You forgot one tiny little detail… this is a very First World take. There are plenty of non-bourgieosie people that partake in anti-consumerism on a relatively individual or small community level, the Amish as a famous example (among them are often communist groups that form isolated communes).
>main purpose was to try and determine where exactly your stance was coming from, because it wasn't clear originally
My unclear stance is because it's just banter, I didn't expect nor seek to make an /edu/ effortpost, I've got plenty of those under my belt as it is.
>thanks for rec
Ya velcome.

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>>14709
>Listen CONSUMING things is not in and of itself consumerism as the ideology of consumerism is defined.
yes - HOWEVER, consumption produces a culture of consumption out of which grows consumerism, at least, I thought that's what you were saying. for example, you mentioned escapism benefiting the current regime, and this is something that can be engaged in without any overconsumption - which begs the question of whether one can engage in consumerism whilst buying nothing. it's logical that consumerism is a frame of mind, but is it still consumerism if the consumer is not consuming more than they need as a result of that framework?
>The immediate assumption on this site by anyone that isn't being disingenuous or a n00b, is that by consumerism the latter term is being referred to. This is accepted by default.
Yes, but there are parts which were less clear. For example, do we mean both piratefags and buyfags? Both build the framework which allows for the buyfag, so there we could have our hypothetical non-consuming consumerism. For another, when we consider how a system produces consumerism, we tend to think about how products encourage patterns of behaviour, and of the prevalence of advertising, but both of these factors work much less strongly in favor of anime than, say, marvel movies. Are western anime fans producing a rogue consumerism in mindless emulation of the culture that produced them? I ask these simply because it seems to me that even though there's certainly consumerism involved, it's not clear cut or simple at all.
>And ignores that Lenin's reason for the discrepancy
I tried to word that diplomatically, rather than saying "it points out various disagreements between Marx and Lenin", for example.
>Marx's folly of ignoring several factors such as peasantry, proven by Marx's utterly ignorant dismissal of Russia as a revolutionary origin, despite Russia having the longest history of uprisings and attempted people's revolutions and revolts in Europe during and before Marx's lifetime.
Agreed. And even in Russia there was still a large industrial proletariat factor, Mao dunked on this idea of peasants not being especially revolutionary subjects even harder. The one area that I am intrigued by in this is aspects Marx said would grow out of the most advanced forms of capitalism in a socialist society, the closest to which we've seen would probably be East Germany. Would an authentic socialism born in a first world country, just for hypothetical purposes, look better or worse than the ones we've seen so far?
>You forgot one tiny little detail… this is a very First World take.
it is. I think it's fair to say that consumerism for first-worlders and third-worlders is a different experience. The Amish are a good counter-example, but these methods are a bit like the old utopian phalansteries. An Amish-Mutualist revolution would be fun to see, though. But I wonder whether one even could end consumerism in a first world country in a lifetime - under socialism in these places, I could see people scrounging around for the last supplies of particular goods, people hoarding coca-cola and stockpiling funko-pops. Would development of luxuries begin to mirror the forms of old consumerism, and would people left to their own devices in their own free time set about making their own coke and funko-pops and so, of their own accord, produce a sort of replica of what went before?

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 No.14788

is there anything more futile than trying to define an arbitrary limit to what separates regular consumption from "consumerism", especially when it comes to fucking media lmao
ultimately any attempt at this boils down to getting mad that people arent consuming what you consume

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>>14788
Ok theorylet, jut lump everything together because nuance is non-existant for you.

 No.14872

>>14870
youre calling me a "theorylet" despite my position not being much different from your run-of-the-mill antihumanist theorist and most proper marxists would rather focus on production rather than consumption especially so after the failings of the SI, but ok dude, lets keep having discussions over what products or how much it is wrong to consume

 No.14873

this position becomes even more absurd when you realize were talking about consuming media, not even consuming physical goods that have a noticeable effect on the environment or whatever

 No.14874

>>14788
>is there anything more futile than trying to define an arbitrary limit to what separates regular consumption from "consumerism", especially when it comes to fucking media lmao
That's because consumerism is a system, not a thing you do
And theory, serious art, basic necessities and whatever else people think doesn't count as consooming have all already been absorbed by consumerism

 No.14947

>>14873
>Consuming media is purely virtual!
<merchandise? Buying dvds and blockchains being on physical servers that have to burn energy to run? Fuck that, it's all totally in your head
Fuck off.

>>14872
>my position not being much different from your run-of-the-mill antihumanist theorist
Being a "theorist" does not exclude being a theorylet, Stirner had plenty of theories, yet his internal logic is fucking inane.
>proper marxists would rather focus on production rather than consumption
<Production and consumption aren't linked!
To change production does not exclude changing consumption. That is excluding that it isn't a 1-way street interaction.
>ets keep having discussions over what products or how much it is wrong to consume
<"N-no don't criticize self-destructive escapism that divert people from drastic reality and their need to face them."
The CIA thanks you.

 No.14981

Japanese guy goes on a rant about how Japanese people kiss ass for white people in real life and media and he has a fair point but then rants for half the video by claiming Ghibili as an example of this… despite that being really inaccurate. The problem is anime aesthetic is generally drawn with big eyes as a carryover from older influences in cartoons, such as Disney or Soviet folk tales and a trend that exists because such eyes are easier and more expressive to do emotive expression in animation. Problem is Ghibli films focus heavily on Japanese characters, 6/10 or so of their main characters are such. Moreover Ghibli has enormous character variability.

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>>14981
If they wanted to make them huwite adults, they would usually give them blonde hair and often harder jawlines.

Also people don't realize japanese beauty standards are more 'paedo-centric' than 'euro-centric'
A year ago (2021) Liev Schreiber’s son was trending on Japanese social media 'cause of how much he looked like an anime character
>Back in 2016, Donald Trump’s son Barron went viral in Japan, where he was dubbed a bishonen (“beautiful boy”) idol.
>Now, another famous son is making news for his bishonen status, and this time it’s 13-year-old Samuel Kai Schreiber. Kai, as he’s affectionately called by his parents, is the son of Hollywood actors Liev Schreiber and Naomi Watts
>When this photo of Kai and Liev popped up on Twitter in Japan, it immediately went viral, with people agreeing with the original poster’s comment, which read:
>“The issue of Liev Schreiber’s son being too beautiful.”
>over 143,000 likes and more than 14,000 retweets,
>the majority of commenters likened him to a real-world Howl, from the 2004 Studio Ghibli film, Howl’s Moving Castle.
>The photo of Kai and Liev that went viral in Japan was actually taken some years ago, at the 2017 Emmy Awards(when he would have been between 8-9 years old).

Now the only reason this Liev Schreiber’s son looks like an 'anime character' is because he's a kid, caucasians after 15-16 usually very and I mean very rarely have the short midface/smooth skin/short nose thing anime characters have. Anime characters faces are just a collection of caucasian with very very neotenous features, look at the comparisons made, Howl from Howl's Castle looks nothing like adult white man, despite being a man in his early 20's his face is similar to a white kid's (even though he's 27 and not 9 like that kid). So Japan is kinda of a weird country with its ideal of what is considered desirable.

Even Japanese people note this social trend: https://girlschannel.net/topics/3656778/

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>>14981
More importantly the Japanese do this to try an differentiate themselves from other Asian characters. An example is a Japanese war crime denial manga someone posted on /a/, all the Japanese characters were drawn in the typical anime/manga style while the Koreans and Chinese were visibly depicted as more Asiatic. Possibly due to the impact the more Caucasian looking Ainu had on the Japanese physical appearance makes them think that they can see the delineation between themselves and Koreans more distinctly than outsiders can, despite this not being the case. Back in the 2000s someone did a test where they asked Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese to identify random photos of people from those categories and they were no better than randomly guessing.
https://quizterra.com/en/can-you-distinguish-a-chinese-from-a-korean-or-a-japanese

Just as an FYI but there's a reason that most Asian people especially in Japan and especially in the past, had been small, and had smaller jaws like pic 1 rel - lack of nutrition, for the same reason many Asian males have receding hairlines. Lack of dietary nutrients that Europe had in more abundance led to smaller, and under-developed (physically) people. That's also partly the reason Europeans and in general humanity has had average height increase over time. >>>/edu/8665 (part about Male pattern baldness in Japan and food).

Additionally make up, hair-styling and more can be a world of difference to facial change, pic 2 rel.

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>>14984
>Japanese war crime denial manga someone posted on /a/, all the Japanese characters were drawn in the typical anime/manga style while the Koreans and Chinese were visibly depicted as more Asiatic
What manga is it?
I would like to see it for the memes

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>>14991
[DISC] The Girls Trying to Bring About National Pride (and a couple other similar manga.
Volume 2 is especially about this, specifically depicting Koreans angry about 'comfort women' attacking current Japanese youth over the atrocities of their ancestors of the time.

While I also don't deny that fact that many Korean/Chinese survivors of WWII who've survived these atrocities also hold hostilities toward the Japanese I'm sure that in reality only a small minority of them (if any at all) would actually blame the youth of Japan for those crimes. If anything this was just made to discredit those groups and paint them in a negative light.

Author: https://myanimelist.net/people/49765/Akiko_Tomita
Vol2: https://archive.ph/bHW9m

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https://www.wired.com/story/who-owns-4chan/
bros the fake news media is on 4chan's case again
but late to the game

 No.15188

>>15187
Whoa, the Good Smile Company part was news to me. Everything else is old hat to anyone who has been paying attention to 2ch ages before moot even left though, Hiroyuki is a piece of shit conman.

 No.15191

>>15187
So who got the GoodSmile money?
moot or Hiro?

 No.15193

>>15191
Definitely Hiroyuki.

>>15188
I remember 2ch and Futaba saying shit like "surely 4channers aren't stupid enough to fall for Hiroyuki's deception", meanwhile everyone on 4chan actually believed Hiroyuki didn't know English or that he couldn't afford to pay 4chan's bills.

 No.15195

>/jp/ , Otaku and weeb thread.
lmao we really having an "otaku general" on the otaku board

 No.15199

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>>15195
>M-muh generalz
Faggot please, Get thicker skin and stop bitching about you not being able to make your separate, overly specific special snowflake thread on the same topic.
>Otaku board
But not every thread is specifically about Otaku and /jp/, most are about specific anime or anime genres.

>>15187
>Holodomor awareness month
This better be a fucking joke.

 No.15201

down to the countryside?

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 No.15444

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Are convention worth it anymore?

 No.15447

>>15199
kill yourself generalfag

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 No.15475

>>15193
diDn't the guy literally go to a Burgerstani college?
how did that not get discovered on the question thread
the claim could be more believable

 No.15500

>>15447
>answering a week later
<weakass teen "K-kys" post
<No argument
You're a faggot and a retard, go home to reddit.

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 No.15556

>>15500
>if you aren't terminally online like me you're from bad website
take a shower and call your mom

 No.15583

>>15556
>if you aren't terminally online like me
Yeah no, stop projecting
>call your mom
Unlike your burger ass I have a family that isn't alienated generationally, take your own 'advice' snowflake.

 No.15790

>>15187
.
How is moot these days, anyways.

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 No.16880

>>16214
god that shooter was so based

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>>16880
Indeed he was. I don't want to sacrifice my life like that and I wouldn't say it online if I did, but damn. If there was actually a threshold of based shooters like that reached I think it would actually have a positive effect. How safe our politicians feel walking around the general public despite all the scumbag shit they do to us is a shame.

As a hypothetical thought experiment: If people were to do that and leave a very based manifesto before hand(not cringe Spyro the Dragon shit like Tarrant) I think it really could inspire people. Can't think of one shooter who left a based Manifesto. Dorner's was super cringe as well sad to say(actually the part about the cops was based, and it really sounded believable, but he starts talking about how much he likes Michelle Obama and weird shit like that.) Imagine if one of these assassin shooters left a long and detailed an unarguable justification for killing their target and also a broader message. Could probably redpill some people.

 No.16882

>>16880
He was actually successful: not because he killed Abe, but because he exposed the ties between the unification church and the LDP which angered the Japanese people. Not only he killed Abe, he also weakened the hawkish Abe faction within the LDP.

 No.16886

>>16882
so so those fags constantly saying that individual acts accomplish nothing really were glowies huh who'd have guessed

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 No.16919

>>16886
are we gonna repeat the narodnik/anarchist vs marxist debate on leftypol.org again


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