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>>44089
Also primaris marines. So it takes place in modern lore. Would much rather prefer if it had its own continuity.

>>44089
One thing of extreme concern is the usage of unit type icons above every unit. At some point readable graphical design became a lost art in RTS genre, so UI elements have to be slapped on everything to make sense of the visual mess.

Also last 5 posts is just me talking to myself, someone please come discuss warhammer, I feel lonely.

>>44095
What would you say about warhammer as a work of art?

>>44096
Too vague of a question, you are clearly asking it out of pity, like you saw a bullied child playing alone at the edge of a sandbox and have to feign interest in its activities to make it feel better.

>>44097
You could view it that way, but it's more that I didn't have too much to say, but I was curious about viewing warhammer as art, as a reflection of the society around it?

>>44098
I say nothing new or insightful when I point out Warhammer completely lost its identity. Self-aware grimdarkness is out, hype moments and aura is in. Good sci-fi guys shoot at bad sci-fi guys. They even removed frowny faces from space marine helmets!
What makes Dawn of War special is its tone. It is all so silly, over the top, stupid, but nobody winks at a camera, characters in universe take it fully seriously, even if they themseves are very unserious. It allows player to immerse himself in this world of child-like make belief, joyfully smashing action figures together.

>>44098
As for reflection of society, the shift from a parody of fascism to something that becomes a fascistic piece of art not through conscious ideological effort on part of its creators, but just by making it dumber and simpler for the sake of mass market appeal. Space marines are not longer stocky perpetually pissed jocks, now they are tall gigachad operators, Imperium isnt cartoonishly incompetent bureaucracy, but heroic bulwark against horrors of the galaxy. It appeals to fascists because it combines masculine militaristic aesthetic with simple black and white narratives, which is what is fascism also does in politics.

>>44095
Back then screen sizes were 1024x768, now it's I don't even know how large these things get. Not only you have the space to spare to put in everything you could ever wanted to put, UI itself is now hugging the edges of the screen

>>44089
Get hype

>>44089
This was one of the blandest warhammer trailers i've ever seen.
>Cyrus gets murked
Pic related

>>44122
If it weren't for this trailer, most players wouldn't even notice his absence in the next game.

>>44102
Considering the state Dawn of War 1 Definitive edition released in, I would advise curbing your enthusiasm.

Get hype faggots

>>45240
Not to be overly pessimistic, but there is no way this wont be released as a broken dissaster to be milked for DLCs for a decade to come.

>>45240
All I want in these games is to be able to play as a workers or peasant militia who ambushes and crucifies any space marines who invade their homeland.

>>45242
Same, but with chaos cult. Surely one of the 27 coming DLCs will contain something else than more space marine chapters?
Would be cool if there was no Chaos faction in itself, but as an alternative heretical path for Imperium factions.

>>45243
Yeah that would be cool, or traitor guard. But they won't ever make anything for these two groups anymore apart from them being trash mobs for space marines to kill before they get to the chaos marines.

>>45243
>>45244
Chaos is gay and sucks

>>45245
Chaos is gay and rules.

>>45246
Nuh uh

>>45243
>>45244
Even in fiction where Chaos is the protagonist their cultists get done dirty. Like seriously the Word Bearers trilogy is full of instances where the narration is like "he felt nothing but hatred and contempt for these pathetic worms who weren't totally cool space marines like him and casually crushed one of their skulls for glancing upwards." When human cultists are ever mentioned it's either in grueling slavery, cannon fodder, or mentions that they keep them tightly packed and tortured to insanity in their ships when they travel. Just once, I'd like to see some human cultists who are actually competent

>>45248
How can they be competent when they're devoted to the gods of retardation from the lolsorandumb nebula

>>45250
At least they dont worship a corpse

>>45251
Not an argument

>>45252
Neither is "gods of retardation"

>>45248
I havent read those books, but I did read one about Iron Warriors. Now my first exposure to WH40k was Dawn of War, there I fell in love with joyful band of murderous lunatics that composed Chaos forces, in a stark contrast to bunch of angsty edgy losers they were portrait as in the book. The problem with Chaos is that the writers misguidingly attempt to give characters depth, which goes completely against their fundamental concept as cartoonish evil. Ironically in the process writers even made them evil in ways they shouldnt be. Like in the book Chaos warriors were still xenohobic and discriminated against protagonist due to his gene seed not being "pure". Which, how the hell do you square those beliefs with praying to extra-dimensional entities to reassemble your DNA helix?

>>45250
They shouldnt even be competent in conventional sense of the word, just have their lolsorandom retardation backed up by demonic powers.

>>45258
>Now my first exposure to WH40k was Dawn of War, there I fell in love with joyful band of murderous lunatics that composed Chaos forces

You'll probably like the Word Bearers trilogy then, because they're all pretty gleefully evil and sadistic while also being competent at the same time. The trilogy is a textbook case of bad guys getting shit done and the main character in particular outplotting others by factoring their own plots into his.

>The problem with Chaos is that the writers misguidingly attempt to give characters depth, which goes completely against their fundamental concept as cartoonish evil. Ironically in the process writers even made them evil in ways they shouldnt be. Like in the book Chaos warriors were still xenohobic and discriminated against protagonist due to his gene seed not being "pure". Which, how the hell do you square those beliefs with praying to extra-dimensional entities to reassemble your DNA helix?

There's actually a pretty good reason for this and it's rooted in the general doctrine of Chaos Undivided and the Horus Heresy itself. The First Heretic covers it in detail, but to give you the gist of it the followers of Chaos Undivided believe that the gods are special patrons of humanity, previously patronizing the Eldar before they fucked up. Now the mandate of heaven so to speak has passed to humans, and it is up to the Word Bearers to enlighten mankind to the truth of the Ruinous Powers or otherwise they will be driven extinct by hostile aliens, which according to the doctrine are usurping humanity's divine right to rule the galaxy. All of this of course comes from a daemon princess so the truthfulness of this shit can be called into doubt, but followers of Chaos believe it which is what matters. While the Black Legion and Iron Warriors are a bit looser about the rules depending on what suits them, the Word Bearers especially are even more xenophobic than the Imperium and consider them too soft on aliens. Factor that in with Chaos encouraging internal feuds and rivalries as a method of culling the weak and allowing the strong to ascend and you have a faction full of nasty folks that will look for any reason possible to discriminate against you. Hell the main character of the Word Bearers trilogy, Marduk, faces discrimination within his own legion not even for having impure gene seed but because he was brought into the fold shortly before the Heresy as opposed to being there from the beginning, which apparently makes him a "whelp" even though it's been TEN THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS GET OVER YOURSELVES. And yeah time works differently in the warp so for them it's only been like a few hundred years relatively speaking but still

>They shouldnt even be competent in conventional sense of the word, just have their lolsorandom retardation backed up by demonic powers

Well the thing is Chaos doesn't really care much about their followers unless they're really strong, and even then only so long as they're useful. Most of the time human cultists fall beneath the notice of the gods, and when they ARE noticed the gods will usually pull some random dickery on them for shits and giggles.

>>45257
It's not an argument, it's just true chaosbabby.

I just hate the Imperials

>>45262
Well if the Emperor is so smart why did he let Obviously Evil McEvilstein over here into the Good Boys Club? Sounds like a bit of an oversight there

>>45264
you just dont understand. it was all part of emperors 5d chess plan
>gw writes this in canon…

>>45264
Emperor allowed murderous murderer who loves murder and hates his dad in charge of good boy club, and then was utterly flabbergasted when good boy club turned into "we love murder and hate emperor" club.

Tau are cool.:)

>>45264
If chaos is so smart why did the emperor successfully use their instrument to establish a galaxy spanning empire capable of bottling them up in a galactic butthole for 10,000 years

>>45268
Writing emperor as an ego-blinded megalomaniac is the only way to avoid him coming off as an absolute bumbling moron. Just on every step of the way doing the exact opposite of what he is trying to achieve

>>45272
simple, because chaos didnt want to win. Chaos wanted the galaxy to be what it was in 40k.
If chaos won, the galaxy would end. And thus the gods would die.
If the emperor won, chaos would lose. And thus the gods would become weak.
If the emperor and chaos both dont win, then it leads to a constant state of warfare. One which the dark gods will constantly feed on

>>45275
>simple, because chaos didnt want to win
Cuckrines worshipping lolsorandumb gods of retardation confirmed

>>45275
Well that's not entirely accurate, they have no problem with their own destruction if it means pulling down everyone else with them. Hence why plan A was to turn the Emperor into the Dark King. The current state of the galaxy is plan B, but plan A could very well still be on track if the Emperor either wakes up or dies

>>45277
>if it means pulling down everyone else with them
but why would they want that? Im confused

>>45280
Ask James Workshop my dude, they're the ones that wrote the Dark King plotline into the Horus Heresy series and have that revealed to be the ultimate goal of the Chaos Gods. Basically it would have been to humanity what Slaanesh was to the Eldar, and after it became clear that Horus was burning himself out the Ruinous Powers decided in the last days of the Seige to try and trick the Emperor into becoming it via overpowering himself on warp energy during the final battle. It's heavily implied that the birth of the Dark King would effectively destroy both the material universe and the warp, which again apparently the Chaos Gods are fine with since it means everyone else dies too

>>45259
I decided to try reading the first Word Bearers book, finished first chapter and thats it. The writing is bad, even compared to handful other Warhammer books I read. And the portrait of CSM is exactly what I complained about, they are just so angsty and lame. Like in that first chapter you POV of some Chaos Lord fuming about his rival, but in such an immature way unbecoming of what is supposed to be an ancient warrior-priest. At one point he calls him a whoreson, which doesnt even make sense, concepts of motherhood and whoredom and all those things implied in that insult should not occupy any room in a psyche of Space Marine.

>>45325
The Gaunts Ghosts books were okay, I was a child though.
Elemental Council was pretty decent. Nothing amazing but better writing than I'd expected.

>>45263
>I just hate the Imperials
It dosent have to be like this, anon.

>>45325
I crie

Nah but honestly I get the problems you have with it and the dialogue between fellow Chaos Space Marines is definitely a weaker part of the series. Most of the books though are taken up but what people call "bolter porn", cuz Anthony Reynolds really likes to go into detail with weapons and their effects, which for me would be boring if it were a novel set with real world weapons but because this is a grim dark sci fi romp with tons of ridiculous shit it's kinda engaging.

In terms of angst and edginess though, my standard for that is set by the Night Lords trilogy, where Talos is always engaged in melodramatic musings on how depressing and hopeless everything is but will nevertheless keep doing the same shit he's always been doing because that's how he rolls, in between bouts of torturing people to death. By contrast the Word Bearers trilogy doesn't bother with trying to get the audience to sympathize with the main cast, they're gleefully evil backstabbing traitorous assholes because that's how you rise through the ranks of Chaos.

I would also argue that the Word Bearers having petty grudges is pretty in character for Chaos too since it actively promotes feuds and rivalries backstabbing. If the Horus Heresy series is any indication they consider treachery in and of itself to have an innate magical power, while sadism is encouraged because torturing someone to death resonates a lot more with the Warp than a clean kill. As for the particular character you're complaining about though he's actually got a fairly decent reason for hating his rival beyond usual Chaos antics.

Whatever I'm just rambling. I personally like the series but it's certainly not for everyone

I think warhammer 40k was lame as fuck but then I played Darktide and Rogue Trader and I realized I just hate the space marines

>>45332
Rogue Trader is actually what got me back into it, always wanted to play it on tabletop in person but my group settled on the chaos one instead, and it kind sucked. I think Rogue Trader as a setting is perfect for exploring the 40K universe in an actual interesting way, and the Video Game adaptation has done it justice, even outside of 40K it's, imho, a very good RPG, something we rarely see anymore.

>>45277
>Dark King
Horus Heresy books are such an embarrassment.

>>37163
TRVTH NVKE

>>37163
>I hate all of it. The fans, the retarded looking oversized armor.
You would fit right in.

> Most of all I hate that it’s heavily focused on the American military.
It's not. Have you read more than one line of the lore?

>>45328
The T'au empire have a strict hierarchy. The Auns run everything from the shadow, nobody know what they even want but we can see than anything that will give them more power is good for the greater good and anything that question their power is bad for the greater good.
Then come the fire, earth, air, and water castes and then come the subjects of the empire.
Humans have proven to be a bellicist race and the greater good require that they should be removed from existence once we are powerful enough. This is what you fight for.
And they don't even know about the demons.


>>45332
Orks be da best, but no Ork game. Me want to Mad Max.

>>45456
>no ork game
>mad max
well that's speed freaks,but it's kinda dead on arrival