I hate all of it. The fans, the retarded looking oversized armor. Most of all I hate that it’s heavily focused on the American military. You never get to play as the Russian orcs or anything. No you always play as the US marines. Because it’s meant to be pro us military propaganda. Just like Starship Troopers hides behind fake bullshit “anti war” veil that doesn’t mean anything because it’s still a pro us military movie. Do you get to play as the bugs in the Starship Troopers game? Nope. Yeah it’s all chinlet us military propaganda. Same with that gay Helldivers game.
101 posts and 16 image replies omitted.>>45275Well that's not entirely accurate, they have no problem with their own destruction if it means pulling down everyone else with them. Hence why plan A was to turn the Emperor into the Dark King. The current state of the galaxy is plan B, but plan A could very well still be on track if the Emperor either wakes up or dies
>>45277>if it means pulling down everyone else with thembut why would they want that? Im confused
>>45280Ask James Workshop my dude, they're the ones that wrote the Dark King plotline into the Horus Heresy series and have that revealed to be the ultimate goal of the Chaos Gods. Basically it would have been to humanity what Slaanesh was to the Eldar, and after it became clear that Horus was burning himself out the Ruinous Powers decided in the last days of the Seige to try and trick the Emperor into becoming it via overpowering himself on warp energy during the final battle. It's heavily implied that the birth of the Dark King would effectively destroy both the material universe and the warp, which again apparently the Chaos Gods are fine with since it means everyone else dies too
>>45325The Gaunts Ghosts books were okay, I was a child though.
Elemental Council was pretty decent. Nothing amazing but better writing than I'd expected.
>>45325I crie
Nah but honestly I get the problems you have with it and the dialogue between fellow Chaos Space Marines is definitely a weaker part of the series. Most of the books though are taken up but what people call "bolter porn", cuz Anthony Reynolds really likes to go into detail with weapons and their effects, which for me would be boring if it were a novel set with real world weapons but because this is a grim dark sci fi romp with tons of ridiculous shit it's kinda engaging.
In terms of angst and edginess though, my standard for that is set by the Night Lords trilogy, where Talos is always engaged in melodramatic musings on how depressing and hopeless everything is but will nevertheless keep doing the same shit he's always been doing because that's how he rolls, in between bouts of torturing people to death. By contrast the Word Bearers trilogy doesn't bother with trying to get the audience to sympathize with the main cast, they're gleefully evil backstabbing traitorous assholes because that's how you rise through the ranks of Chaos.
I would also argue that the Word Bearers having petty grudges is pretty in character for Chaos too since it actively promotes feuds and rivalries backstabbing. If the Horus Heresy series is any indication they consider treachery in and of itself to have an innate magical power, while sadism is encouraged because torturing someone to death resonates a lot more with the Warp than a clean kill. As for the particular character you're complaining about though he's actually got a fairly decent reason for hating his rival beyond usual Chaos antics.
Whatever I'm just rambling. I personally like the series but it's certainly not for everyone
I think warhammer 40k was lame as fuck but then I played Darktide and Rogue Trader and I realized I just hate the space marines
>>45332Rogue Trader is actually what got me back into it, always wanted to play it on tabletop in person but my group settled on the chaos one instead,
and it kind sucked. I think Rogue Trader as a setting is perfect for exploring the 40K universe in an actual interesting way, and the Video Game adaptation has done it justice, even outside of 40K it's, imho, a very good RPG, something we rarely see anymore.
>>37163>I hate all of it. The fans, the retarded looking oversized armor.You would fit right in.
> Most of all I hate that it’s heavily focused on the American military.It's not. Have you read more than one line of the lore?
>>45328The T'au empire have a strict hierarchy. The Auns run everything from the shadow, nobody know what they even want but we can see than anything that will give them more power is good for the greater good and anything that question their power is bad for the greater good.
Then come the fire, earth, air, and water castes and then come the subjects of the empire.
Humans have proven to be a bellicist race and the greater good require that they should be removed from existence once we are powerful enough. This is what you fight for.
And they don't even know about the demons.
>>45332Orks be da best, but no Ork game. Me want to Mad Max.
>>45456>no ork game>mad maxwell that's speed freaks,but it's kinda dead on arrival
>>45627could just be a troll TBH, that shit has happened before
>>45630Its finally back, and the DMCA was from GW, specifically because of "the oversized convex shoulder pads with a metallic rim" appearing in the trailer.
My main problem with Warhammer 40k is that they keep pulling their punches with the fascists. It's supposed to be super GRIMDARK, but at the end of the day that really just means that the universe itself is bleak. Everything the fascists actually justified in-universe because of the extremely dangerous nature of the galaxy of 40k.
So, despite the fact that 40k is supposed to take the GRIMDARK up to 11, a real wold conflict like WW1 is easily more grimdark. Why? The First World War was far, FAR more grimdark than anything involving Chaos, Tyrannids or Necrons because the men who died in that war died for nothing. It was a completely senseless bloodletting that would, at best, determine if Britain got Gibraltar. The men who died, on both sides, didn't die for their gods or their countries or their families or for higher ideals like democracy, liberty or human rights. They just died to feed two hungering war machines.
In contrast, most of the conflicts in 40k feel something more like a big galactic D Day or Siege of Stalingrad. Yes, it's brutal, yes its grim, yes men are being butchered in mass to take an inch of ground, but its all in service to protect humanity from the death and oblivion that comes to consume it, and every seeming insanity or paranoia of the Imperium is fully justified as a measure against the advancing darkness.
This is actually one of the things Starcraft got right. I have never heard of anyone having fantasies about being in penal legions of the Terran Confederacy, Dominion or UED. Even though Starcraft's universe isn't nearly as bleak, it doesn't attempt to justify its fascist factions every step of the way.
Vids related, just look at the difference between how Space Marine 2 and Starcraft 1 treats their fascist forces.
>>45931Shit looks straight up traced or AI generated and palletized
>>45925I just started reading Elric and it's p good
>>45927https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKIAMAqGNIYyeah an example of this is general sturnn. 40k portrays its fascists as heroic valient soldiers
>>45951Is second image an official art? Like I have no attachment to early 40k, but contrasting it this explicitly reflects so badly on GW. Ideological subtext aside, just artistically so soulless. Who approved this? What were they thinking?
>>45951>>45952The sanitisation is a serious problem, but come on the new picture looks way cooler than the old one. It is a way more appealing art style and composition. You're just being nostalgic for the old art style. I don't think the old art is really less heroic either, it is that British 80s-90s kind of rightwing artstyle where it revels in the ugliness.
>>45953>it is that British 80s-90s kind of rightwing artstyle where it revels in the ugliness>come on the new picture looks way cooler than the old oneThat's my point. Nobody normal looks at early 40k art or Judge Dredd or whatever and thinks "hell yeah I wish I was that was me" except rightwing psychos who are missing the joke. They took it from ugly convict legionnaires dying pointlessly on a hill to heroic last stand.
>>45953>but come on the new picture looks way cooler than the old one. Nah
>>45953As I said, I have no nostalgia for early 40k, my first contact with the franchise was Dawn of War. The second image looks AI generated, and I know it is not, but it is the uninspired mass produced generic fantasy/sci-fi art which constitutes bulk of datasets and are the reason why AI images look like
that.
>>45977nta but dawn of war is such a interesting case. In one hand you can tell theres a lot of parody aspects in it. But in the other hand you have characters like sturnn who is not really a parody character.
>>45991Dawn of War is tonally not going for parody, but a violent saturday morning cartoon. Sturnn is a grizzled old general cliché. Basically Patton in SPAAAACE. His famous heroic speech is about how his men's greatest talent is dying, which I am not sure if it was intended as joke by writers, but still is funny because it is literally true in gameplay, imperial guard infantry is a trash cannon fodder worse than orc boyz. Their most iconic ability is shooting their own troops to regain morale!
>>45992>violent saturday morning cartoonoh, yeah that works. Finally i have a term for what dawn of war is. I was stuck in the is it parody, is it serious, or whatever. This term works
>>45951I don't disagree with you, but then I think that modern 40k is better as a narrative than what was before. Attempts to sell minis like primaris marines destroy the narrative, though. Aesthetics are really nice and unique for every faction, after decades of refining (lore or stories aren't as good, though). There are missed opportunities like necrontyr creating humanity to wear as bodies, or tyranids becoming kind and understanding, but otherwise - it became better.
What they need to do to finish the transformation is to bleach all space marines, remove all retarded paint schemes and keep only camo, gray and other no fun options, and then there will be much less cringe
>>46176My headcanon with the colours is that the power armour has an adaptive camouflage setting that is switched on in combat which matches the surrounding terrain not just in colour but texture. Also, the power armour has a cooling system which expells heat into the warp or something that calibrates to the background temperature, meaning space marines are invisible to infra-red detecting cameras. I know neither of these are true but it would be so cool if they were and it would mean space marines could still have the bright colours without just being walking drone targets.
>>45927Also, the writers will sometimes forget that the Imperium of Man is evil and villainous at all.
Like, there was this short story called "The Last Church" sneaks into a church and has a religious debate with a priest. The whole thing is kind of undermined because it forgets that the Emperor, the guy arguing for atheism and rationalism, isn't some good and aspirational figure, he's fucking Space Mega-Hitler. Like, the Emperor actually argues that religion is bad because its killed millions of people. My guy, you kill untold TRILLIONS of people not even counting the innumerable alien species you genocide for the crime of not being human.
>>47762*Like, there was this short story called "The Last Church" where the Emperor sneaks into a church
Whoops.
>>45264Because the emperor was actually a arrogant retard who thought he could defeat the chaos gods by not telling anyone and forcing atheism on humanity, instead of either creating many more gods so that the Chaos Gods couldn't get any of the worship.
And if the Chaos Gods were so powerful, why didn't they do anything during the majority of humanity's existence and didn't do anything until Slannesh came into being? The Chaos gods are not eternal and are not that vital for the existance of the universe because decay and nature and courage and rage and progress and change and desire existed long before they came into being. They are just parasites created by the psychic toxic waste from the War in Heaven that want to devour your souls and don't actually care about you.
>>45927The entire point is that even in a universe that fascists would think fascism would work. It's still the worst choice. S much of the Imperium's problems are a result of it's own unneeded cruelity, arrogance and incompetence.
They waste their worlds and people in a pointless battle. Their heroes (The Space Marines) Are roided up child soldiers that only know how to fight and are indoctrinated using psychological methods. And so many of their problems would be solved if the Imperium wasn't such a shithole to live in.
Personally if I was in the 40k universe, I would simply summon and activate the Halo Rings all across the galaxy from the Ark Installation and wipe out all of the intelligent life and start the Galaxy over.
>>45951>>46176I think that Space Marines were more based on knights from old fantasy stories which explains the colors of the miniatures and such.
>>47783>>47784Is there a fandom more embarrassing than 40K? Even the heavily autistic Sonic fans are better than this.
>>47788Did you even watch the videos?
>>47789I clicked on them. Obviously actually didnt watch.
>>47783I hate how these powerscaler people treat the Xeelee books as just a super duper grimdark setting which is so much more grimdark than Warhammer 40k, when the books are actually about billionaire scientists and cavemen from alien worlds teaming up to look at interesting physics stuff on a spaceship.
>>47819I think that's mostly because Warhammer 40k fans concentrate their knowledge of the Xeelee Sequence on the Interim Coalition of Governance, which in all fairness is probably the most evil and overpowered human government in all of fiction. But to my knowledge they only really feature in one or two books and are ultimately just a small part of the overall story
>>47762>My guy, you kill untold TRILLIONS of people not even counting the innumerable alien species you genocide for the crime of not being humanDid you read the whole story? The priest he's debating literally calls him out on how his campaigns on earth alone have basically made him the biggest mass murderer in history and asks him how he could possibly condemn organized religion for being violent when he's pulling this bullshit, and the Emperor literally just responds "the difference is that I know I'm right". Even there it's made pretty clear that the Emperor is a tautological hypocrite convinced his way and only his way can save humanity no matter how many people he has to kill
>>47823Yeah, the entire point of the book is that the emperor is a egotistical shit head, even the tts meme series called him out on it
>>47823But he is right isn't he? If he hadn't conquered the galaxy, made the space marines, etc humanity would be brown bread by now
>>47822Yeah. The thing is Baxter is a Hobbsian who thinks that class societies need to exist and he is has a negative view of human nature and doesn't like revolution unless it is a science revolution. So he is a cringe lib. But also he does think woke science and reason will save the day and humans will try to kill all the gods. He's a sci-fi writer and his setting doesn't really fit with 40k which is not sci-fi at all.
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