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>>45627
could just be a troll TBH, that shit has happened before

>>45630
Its finally back, and the DMCA was from GW, specifically because of "the oversized convex shoulder pads with a metallic rim" appearing in the trailer.

>>45627
>>45630
>>45924
GW being so litigious and protective of its copyright is so hilarious when you remember that their shit is just a bunch of sci-fi and fantasy novels cobbled together into one universe.

My main problem with Warhammer 40k is that they keep pulling their punches with the fascists. It's supposed to be super GRIMDARK, but at the end of the day that really just means that the universe itself is bleak. Everything the fascists actually justified in-universe because of the extremely dangerous nature of the galaxy of 40k.

So, despite the fact that 40k is supposed to take the GRIMDARK up to 11, a real wold conflict like WW1 is easily more grimdark. Why? The First World War was far, FAR more grimdark than anything involving Chaos, Tyrannids or Necrons because the men who died in that war died for nothing. It was a completely senseless bloodletting that would, at best, determine if Britain got Gibraltar. The men who died, on both sides, didn't die for their gods or their countries or their families or for higher ideals like democracy, liberty or human rights. They just died to feed two hungering war machines.

In contrast, most of the conflicts in 40k feel something more like a big galactic D Day or Siege of Stalingrad. Yes, it's brutal, yes its grim, yes men are being butchered in mass to take an inch of ground, but its all in service to protect humanity from the death and oblivion that comes to consume it, and every seeming insanity or paranoia of the Imperium is fully justified as a measure against the advancing darkness.

This is actually one of the things Starcraft got right. I have never heard of anyone having fantasies about being in penal legions of the Terran Confederacy, Dominion or UED. Even though Starcraft's universe isn't nearly as bleak, it doesn't attempt to justify its fascist factions every step of the way.

Vids related, just look at the difference between how Space Marine 2 and Starcraft 1 treats their fascist forces.

>>45925
To be fair that one artwork did fly a little too close to the sun.

>>45931
Shit looks straight up traced or AI generated and palletized

>>45925
I just started reading Elric and it's p good

>>45927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKIAMAqGNIY
yeah an example of this is general sturnn. 40k portrays its fascists as heroic valient soldiers

>>45945
>>45927
40k has undergone terminal flanderization. The new stuff is sanitized compared to the 2000AD ripoffs from the 80s. The whole setting was a rule of cool potpourri of stolen genre fiction tropes tinged with British end of empire anxiety. Space Marines went from brainwashed psychos, savages, and criminals to le ultimate serene untouchable warrior monks. Then they doubled down on it with super-ultra-squeaky-clean primarines in the new Robutt Girlyman metaplot. Take picrel for example. In remaking the iconic rogue trader cover they cleaned it up to make the marines look more heroic. Even the fallen aren't mangled, but lay lifeless and intact like some fascist martyr worship statue.

>>45951
Is second image an official art? Like I have no attachment to early 40k, but contrasting it this explicitly reflects so badly on GW. Ideological subtext aside, just artistically so soulless. Who approved this? What were they thinking?

>>45951
>>45952
The sanitisation is a serious problem, but come on the new picture looks way cooler than the old one. It is a way more appealing art style and composition. You're just being nostalgic for the old art style. I don't think the old art is really less heroic either, it is that British 80s-90s kind of rightwing artstyle where it revels in the ugliness.

>>45953
>it is that British 80s-90s kind of rightwing artstyle where it revels in the ugliness
>come on the new picture looks way cooler than the old one
That's my point. Nobody normal looks at early 40k art or Judge Dredd or whatever and thinks "hell yeah I wish I was that was me" except rightwing psychos who are missing the joke. They took it from ugly convict legionnaires dying pointlessly on a hill to heroic last stand.

>>45953
>but come on the new picture looks way cooler than the old one.

Nah

>>45953
As I said, I have no nostalgia for early 40k, my first contact with the franchise was Dawn of War. The second image looks AI generated, and I know it is not, but it is the uninspired mass produced generic fantasy/sci-fi art which constitutes bulk of datasets and are the reason why AI images look like that.

>>45977
nta but dawn of war is such a interesting case. In one hand you can tell theres a lot of parody aspects in it. But in the other hand you have characters like sturnn who is not really a parody character.

>>45991
Dawn of War is tonally not going for parody, but a violent saturday morning cartoon. Sturnn is a grizzled old general cliché. Basically Patton in SPAAAACE. His famous heroic speech is about how his men's greatest talent is dying, which I am not sure if it was intended as joke by writers, but still is funny because it is literally true in gameplay, imperial guard infantry is a trash cannon fodder worse than orc boyz. Their most iconic ability is shooting their own troops to regain morale!

>>45992
>violent saturday morning cartoon
oh, yeah that works. Finally i have a term for what dawn of war is. I was stuck in the is it parody, is it serious, or whatever. This term works

>>45951
I don't disagree with you, but then I think that modern 40k is better as a narrative than what was before. Attempts to sell minis like primaris marines destroy the narrative, though. Aesthetics are really nice and unique for every faction, after decades of refining (lore or stories aren't as good, though). There are missed opportunities like necrontyr creating humanity to wear as bodies, or tyranids becoming kind and understanding, but otherwise - it became better.

What they need to do to finish the transformation is to bleach all space marines, remove all retarded paint schemes and keep only camo, gray and other no fun options, and then there will be much less cringe

>>46176
My headcanon with the colours is that the power armour has an adaptive camouflage setting that is switched on in combat which matches the surrounding terrain not just in colour but texture. Also, the power armour has a cooling system which expells heat into the warp or something that calibrates to the background temperature, meaning space marines are invisible to infra-red detecting cameras. I know neither of these are true but it would be so cool if they were and it would mean space marines could still have the bright colours without just being walking drone targets.

>>45927
Also, the writers will sometimes forget that the Imperium of Man is evil and villainous at all.

Like, there was this short story called "The Last Church" sneaks into a church and has a religious debate with a priest. The whole thing is kind of undermined because it forgets that the Emperor, the guy arguing for atheism and rationalism, isn't some good and aspirational figure, he's fucking Space Mega-Hitler. Like, the Emperor actually argues that religion is bad because its killed millions of people. My guy, you kill untold TRILLIONS of people not even counting the innumerable alien species you genocide for the crime of not being human.

>>47762
*Like, there was this short story called "The Last Church" where the Emperor sneaks into a church
Whoops.

>>45264
Because the emperor was actually a arrogant retard who thought he could defeat the chaos gods by not telling anyone and forcing atheism on humanity, instead of either creating many more gods so that the Chaos Gods couldn't get any of the worship.

And if the Chaos Gods were so powerful, why didn't they do anything during the majority of humanity's existence and didn't do anything until Slannesh came into being? The Chaos gods are not eternal and are not that vital for the existance of the universe because decay and nature and courage and rage and progress and change and desire existed long before they came into being. They are just parasites created by the psychic toxic waste from the War in Heaven that want to devour your souls and don't actually care about you.

>>45927
The entire point is that even in a universe that fascists would think fascism would work. It's still the worst choice. S much of the Imperium's problems are a result of it's own unneeded cruelity, arrogance and incompetence.

They waste their worlds and people in a pointless battle. Their heroes (The Space Marines) Are roided up child soldiers that only know how to fight and are indoctrinated using psychological methods. And so many of their problems would be solved if the Imperium wasn't such a shithole to live in.

Personally if I was in the 40k universe, I would simply summon and activate the Halo Rings all across the galaxy from the Ark Installation and wipe out all of the intelligent life and start the Galaxy over.

>>45951
>>46176
I think that Space Marines were more based on knights from old fantasy stories which explains the colors of the miniatures and such.

Look at this vid.

And this one.

Besides this is why I like the Orks the best.

>>47783
>>47784
Is there a fandom more embarrassing than 40K? Even the heavily autistic Sonic fans are better than this.

>>47788
Did you even watch the videos?

>>47789
I clicked on them. Obviously actually didnt watch.

>>47783
I hate how these powerscaler people treat the Xeelee books as just a super duper grimdark setting which is so much more grimdark than Warhammer 40k, when the books are actually about billionaire scientists and cavemen from alien worlds teaming up to look at interesting physics stuff on a spaceship.

>>47819
I think that's mostly because Warhammer 40k fans concentrate their knowledge of the Xeelee Sequence on the Interim Coalition of Governance, which in all fairness is probably the most evil and overpowered human government in all of fiction. But to my knowledge they only really feature in one or two books and are ultimately just a small part of the overall story

>>47762
>My guy, you kill untold TRILLIONS of people not even counting the innumerable alien species you genocide for the crime of not being human

Did you read the whole story? The priest he's debating literally calls him out on how his campaigns on earth alone have basically made him the biggest mass murderer in history and asks him how he could possibly condemn organized religion for being violent when he's pulling this bullshit, and the Emperor literally just responds "the difference is that I know I'm right". Even there it's made pretty clear that the Emperor is a tautological hypocrite convinced his way and only his way can save humanity no matter how many people he has to kill

>>47823
Yeah, the entire point of the book is that the emperor is a egotistical shit head, even the tts meme series called him out on it

>>47823
But he is right isn't he? If he hadn't conquered the galaxy, made the space marines, etc humanity would be brown bread by now

>>47822
Yeah. The thing is Baxter is a Hobbsian who thinks that class societies need to exist and he is has a negative view of human nature and doesn't like revolution unless it is a science revolution. So he is a cringe lib. But also he does think woke science and reason will save the day and humans will try to kill all the gods. He's a sci-fi writer and his setting doesn't really fit with 40k which is not sci-fi at all.

I have been replaying Dawn of War again, Definitive Edition. Its my comfort game. When Ill get to Dark Crusade and Soulstorm I will try to pick someone else than CSM this time. Probably orks.

DoW4 is going to have no Chaos, Total War 40K doesnt appear to have them at launch either. Tried Space Marine 2, dropped it in a tutorial the moment "dodge when enemy flashes red, parry when enemy flashes blue" mechanic was introduced. Fucking braindead. The final DLC for Rogue Trader was supposed to be released this week, but is almost certainly getting delayed, and even if it wasnt I would have to wait at least a month for bugfixes to come out. Was Total War Warhammer 3 cracked yet? New DLC is coming out in couple days, with Nagash. I wonder how long they will keeping milking that game, is there even anything left to add still?

I just want to play some Warhammer.

>>48146
>DoW4 is going to have no Chaos, Total War 40K doesnt appear to have them at launch either.

Thank fuck

>>48147
Why are you so mean?

>>48148
I think chaos really sucks and I don't like the "oh, that thing you were doing? It was a chaos plan all along" thing that keeps fucking happening. Like, I was excited in SM2 to be fighting the tyranids, and was really disappointed that they were just a splinter fleet/opening act for chaos shit heads AGAIN.

Sorry if you love CSM, but imo they're losers, and after 10,000 years of being losers I think it's stupid and shitty that they're treated like a real threat, and I'm sick of seeing them.

>>48149
Just for the record, I dont want them to be antagonists, I want to play as them.

>>48146
Don't worry, judging by previous entries in the series Total Warhammer40k is going to drip feed every other faction into the game as DLC.

Dawn of War 4 on the other hand is much more shaky on whether it will eventually have all the factions. It's being made by the devs of Iron Harvest and if you don't know anything about Iron Harvest basically it was a kickstarter RTS that was extremely disappointing and quickly abandoned after like 2 DLCs so I'm not expecting much from those devs. I expect DOW4 to get 1 year of post-launch support before development stops and I would strongly encourage all fans to stay away from Dawn of War 4 based solely off the track record of the dev team since it's not the same team that did DOW 1 and 2.

The Total Warhammer guys on the other hand love milking players with DLC so it's pretty much guaranteed that Chaos, Tau, Tyranids, and everyone else is eventually coming to TW40k the only question is in what order and how long it will take before all the DLC has been added.

>>48153
>iron harvest
Oh yeah, the reactionary anti communist game

>>48153
Was Iron Harvest that bad, I heard good things about its campaign. Thats my main hope for DoW4, I dont care for skirmish or multiplayer, I just want an interesting campaign for Chaos.

Got news on when the final Rogue Trader DLC is comming, end of year. Give it three more months for followup patches, half a year unil I can finally play it.

>>48187
such a good game; accidentally put 24 hours into it and i only feel like I scratched the surface. Trying to go full iconoclast.

>>48190
I want to go full heretic. Although from what I heard heretic includes the standard selfish evil choices, which I dont find very fun or interesting.

>>48195
wrong the tau are a parody of feudalism not slavery. it's a caste system not a slave system.

>>48217
>it's not feudalism because feudal lords didn't indoctrinate their subjects
aren't you forgetting about the whole divine right of kings, inherently noble bloodlines, and other wonderful lies that feudalism pushed on everyone?

>>48157
No, it wasn't. If you like the Company of Heroes (or Warhammer Dawn of War 2 ) style of RTS its pretty solid. The only problem was there wasn't enough long term support and content. What Ithink undid them is what happens to most RTS devs in the past decades - they decided to focus on competitive PVP tournament garbage first of all. This also doomed Stormgate and many others and that one actually had SC2 style Co-Op from the start but they let it rot etc…but I digress. Comp PVP is only of interest to a handful of hardcore players (and these usually are actively hostile to growing your userbase) whereas campaigns, co-op, custom games and the like are way more desirable, especially for a new game with a new setting

Iron Harvest's setting and story was a unique alt-history WW1 dieselpunk take, but they were working with small kickstarter resources and because they didn't keep growing the playerbase with the aforementioned it didn't get the kind of long term support it could have used. There's a reason that even the Age of Empires series for instance is adding more campaign and co-op stuff and they're doing much better. Iron Harvest isn't bad, but it would have benefited from more campaigns, co-op special missions and standard campaigns etc. Its still worth a play on sale for the campaigns if you like the mechanics/settings, its just a pity it didn't get more.

By comparison, DoW4 has a huge amount of buzz behind it given the interest in all DoW1 and 2, which both had significant DLC and modding expansions alike. We'll see where it goes but I hope for the best.