Yes. The idea that you need 145 products to take care of your skin is very bourgeois.
Is eating bourgeois?
>>10860>a thread died for this
No, caring for your body is not bourgeois
Yes. I have thai family and a lot of the skin care is about to look more pale and therefore upper class.
Skin care existed fare bofore bourgeois were a thing. It just had been commodified like pretty much everything.
I'm getting mixed messages.
Just a reminder that perfect skin health is achievable through a proper diet. It's a very capitalist thing that we eat shit-tier soy- and cornstarch-riddled foods, get sick from it, and use 40768 different products to try to mitigate its effects.
No, putting cream on your hands because they crack and bleed is not bourgeois. However using a bunch of snake oil shit on your body to make you "look younger" is bourgeois.
Yes. Most of the skincare products are useless, with some exceptions like moisturisers, degreasers and skin pilling helpers.
Every product where it said that active component ENTER INNER SKIN structure is garbage because if you want to deliver something inside epidermis you have to puncture it first and even then the success is minimal or not existent at all.
Is putting a flower vase nest to your tv at 12:45 afternoon burgeois?
Yes. Skin care product production is an extravagant waste of resources and definitely just a bourgeois eccentricity
retinol seems to work
>>10869>ENTER INNER SKIN structure
I imagine robots explaining human sex in similar ways to their robot children.
You can get all the skin care you will ever need from rice. Cheap as fuck. No need to buy some fancy brand name shit.
Taking care of yourself isn't bourgeoisie, but like any other facer of life, skincare has been commodified and and turned into another aspect of capitalist culture. You can take care of your skin, just don't go buying six different lotions and such. Also, >>10864
this is a big problem in India too, and somewhat in Amer though not as bad.
What I realized recently is that after our regime change to capitalism these beauty parlors started popping up like crazy, because here women socialize for hours every week, talk about guys, dates, etc. and it is the commodified version of the communal spirit we had between socialist tenants, workers etc. Like you didn't need to pay
someone to do your nails and have a chat about guys, you know? Capitalism literally takes away shit from you that should be free and offers it back to you in a commodified form.
It's usually a problem in ex-colonial countries, afaik even in some latam countries.
This thread reeks of ressentiment.
Skin care is effemenate, therefore it is bourgeois.
Socialism is about manly things like chopping wood
why would you fuck a ladies vagine? that's a capitalist hellhole carved into her body which would mean you become a class traitor and also a gay.
do the proper thing and fuck a guy's socialist asshole! if his arse is shaved tell him to stop doing that pussy ass capitalist nonsense, and also tell him to stop bathing so much (a proper communist enjoys a little stank) and stop pooping out the poop stored in his socialist asshole before sex, because you like a little earthiness on the tip of your heterosexual, manly, socialist cock.
Taking care of your body isn't bourgeois, but some people have been duped into buying a massive artillery of skin care products regardless, which is certainly a bourgeois scam.
>exfoliating wash I use a couple times a week
>heavy duty moisturizer if my skin is really dry for some reason
>a face mask thing I do maybe once or twice a month
This is the absolute maximum the average person should ever need.
Short answer. Some skincare product are useful, some are not
Don't buy it because of good advertising. Only get it after research. IMPORTANT. Keep in mind that some research is sponsored by skincare corporations, thus could be biased.
As anons said keeping your skin in a good condition is not bourgeois, just don't support porky profits by buying useless products.
Are foreskins really used to make skin creams?
You are a dengist>just a little skin care (private property , revisionism) won't hurt!
Mother fuckers I don't even buy shower gels/lotions or what fucking ever they are called now. I use soap for everything: washing my hair, body, teeth, everything. If it was good for millennia it's good now too. I sleep with the soap. I put the little soap's body next to my pillow and give him (soaps are male) a goodnight kiss. I am becoming the soap.
A proper MAYNE only needs three "beauty products" in his life:
- the soap, to remove filth and parasites of all kinds
- cotton swabs, to remove excess earwax that develop while listening to Marxist audiobooks
- rubbing alcohol as an aftershave
If you have more than these 3 products at home you have been duped and became a little consumer cuck. Take the manly man pill and become a proper communist.
>>10887>skin care (private property , revisionism)
that's one hell of a train of logic
Daily reminder that using soap is a bourgeois scam.
Take the human microbiome pill.
shaving is bourgeois
Yes, anything nice is bourgeois. You are not allowed to do anything good for yourself and not be bourgeois. You live miles from your job? Better walk, kulak, even taking the bus or riding a bike is too good for you, let alone having a car. You also can't eat more than a slice of bread and one potato per day, and it's straight to the gulag if you put butter on your toast.
I didn't say or imply that
This. I just lick myself clean. Some parts are hard to reach? Just spit in the palm of your hand and rub it into your asshole then scrape it back with your nails and eat it. Good as new.>>10892
No, because I need to eat the pussy. And the women won't allow access to the pussy if my manly man beard stings them.
>>10897>No, because I need to eat the pussy. And the women won't allow access to the pussy if my manly man beard stings them.
Coomers will be shot after the revolution
That moment than diet inside GULAG is better than outside.
No, in my socialist utopia every citizen gets a monthly supply of Neutrogena products.
>>10895>skincare is nice
Nigga, just stop eating SHIT and your skin will be fine, HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
coomer =/= sexhaver
That's easy to say when you live in a humid climate or have oily skin, but some of us need lotion to prevent ourselves from becoming scaly reptiles.
STOP. EATING. SHIT.
Lmao, here it comes, the pampered people of college piece of shit using hyperbole to justify his wasteful bourgeois extravaganza.
Personal cars are DEFINITELY a wasteful bourgeois eccentricity tho (same with non communal housing). There's no way in hell they would exist in a socialist society
>>10907>Lmao, here it comes, the pampered people of college piece of shit using hyperbole to justify his wasteful bourgeois extravaganza.
BASED. Anyone caught with a bottle of lotion gets the bullet.
You get car and dacha in socialism whether you want them or not son
Didn't you hear? Socialism is just capitalism and markets with coops. That's what daddy R.D.W. taught me. Stop being such a tankie!!! JOIN THE REAL RADICAL LEFT!!
It's kind of scary how obsessed this board is with consuming and endless products. I am old enough to remember when skincare was something to wash face with + moisturizer and somehow people managed to not look like reptilians with that routine.
You get car and dacha too
You all get car and dacha
Good car and good dacha
No but restaurants are
Gib commieblock apartment and I'm happy. No need for car and dacha.
I am surprised that we still don't have a no-wash conspiracy advocate in this thread.
Like you should not wash, because you removing protective oil layer from you and so on…
dacha is good
dacha is life
one dacha produced one mile closer to communism
people your age probably thought tanning was good and now you all have a skin cancer and wrinkles out the ass
I only shower once a week and use cheap bar soap. I am ready, are you?
all the dudes in this thread with acne and gross as fuck skin flakes lmaoo
We are definitely over-obsessed with hygiene in late stage capitalism, that's for sure.
Imagine thinking you get acne and skin flakes if you don't use 300 products on your face.
So what’s a good skincare regimen for a heterosexual man? I moisturize whenever I remember to.
1. pour vodka into bathtub
2. get neked
3. put naked body into vodka
4. drink some vodka
4. vodka take away germs, virus, bad filth from your skin
5. your skin gaves vodka nice taste
6. if you can't drink any more and you are clean, put the rest of flavored vodka back in bottle
there. you soap pussies will go to gulag
It isn't even about hygiene anymore. Hygiene is when you wash your hand with soap and water to remove bacteria. Putting endless products on your face isn't even about that.
Here comes the trust-punk living in brooklyn or oakland.
I didn't get a car until I was in my late 20's because I started working in a rural area. I could not walk or ride my bike to work and there is no public transit available for hundreds of miles from me.
I guess it's situaitonal. idk.>>10876
I hear its popular in other places too. It gets really weird in SE Asia, like using cream that has literal bleach in. same in india?
Entry level: the skin lotion question
Intermediate level: the toilet paper question
Advanced level: the toothbrush question
>thread is transferred to /hobby/ now
can't use any of those because a lot of them use animal products or are results of the patriarchy like the toothbrush
This thread has big "rich kid overcompensating for wealth guilt" energy.
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>>10935>muh maybe racist hobby
Okay fine. Caring for and being comfortable with your body is not. Wanting to not have acne, psoriasis, dry skin, oily skin, etc, or even wanting to have better than average skin is not. If it is culturally imposed like >>10864
then yes, it is very much bourgeois. This goes for culturally imposed beauty standards for women, and the exploitation and comodification that accompanies those standards. There is a valid debate to be had about the latter two things, cosmetics, the fashion industry, the superficial and consumerist tendencies of different cultures, and the dehumanization that comes with all of those things, but your post was extremely low effort.
>>10941>being comfortable with your body
wtf does this even mean tho? because as far as I can tell this is pure capitalist advertisement turned into ideology. I am
my fucking body, you retard. How can one be comfortable "with" (or for that matter WITHOUT) one's body??
You get mixed answers when you ask such open-ended questions.
Are you autistic or being obtuse on purpose?
That's fair I suppose. I have acne, but I would rather not have acne. That desire was obviously internalized one way or another. Did it come from standards imposed by capitalism, or simply from my observing other people and seeing that most people in my age range no longer have it. I think it would be wrong to assume the latter, as the desire to want to "fit in" predates class society. Is it wrong to want to fit in? No, but at the same time I don't feel that it's important, and I don't feel the desire to conform when it comes from most things. I want to have clear skin, but I also care about my appearance in other ways, though my ideal appearance in other areas does not necessarily "fit in" either. Again, the question OP posed is so open-ended it's hard to give a clear answer, and I suppose "being comfortable in one's body" is a vague concept as well.
Wait until you hear about this funny little thing called dysphoria.
Aquaphor is really nice.
Saves my lips.
STOP. EATING. SHIT. YOU. RETARD.
that's just DSM horseshit, pure ideology, dude
I don't though. I'm a healthy weight (maybe a bit skinny), and I've cut out all animal products and processed foods. I also avoid drinking to excess, and don't do any drugs.
But that was just an example anyway, my skin is actually better than it used to be, and it improved when I went vegan.
>>10951>I've cut out all animal products
OH NO NO NO
Daily reminder that it's not a normal condition of your body for your lips to dry out and turn into sand paper. Your fucking body is giving you signals that you are living an unhealthy life you keep ignoring with these stupid ass beauty products.
As someone who kissed plenty of women I know for a fact that vegan bitches had the most dry lips ever. It's because your body needs collagen, retard, and you get collagen by eating the animal's fat and skin. Yes, you can take collagen supplements but they are made from animals too, so what's the fucking point?>>10951>I've cut out all animal products
That's the source of your problem, you absolute degenerate retard.
I already mentioned that it got better, it's really a non-issue these days. I don't know why so many of you sperg out at the very notion of veganism. Veganism should be encouraged in leftist circles for a number of reasons.
Everything I don't like is capitalism.
Your skin got better because you cut out processed shit, you genius, not because you cut out animal products. Your body NEEDS collagen, you imbecile, it's a scientific FACT. It's the main structural protein in your fucking body and you just cut it out. Enjoy deterioration.
The lipid hypothesis is bunk pseudoscience. Where are the fat hunter gatherers, whose calories come mainly from hunting for game, you imbecile?
no you're not bourgeois for being ensnared in a consumerist scheme
but realistically unless you have a condition like flaky skin or something gross, you don't need treatment and are throwing money away when you fall for this
hey bro, you come downtown gaysville?
You can get flaky skin because your body is in constant inflammation due to all the useless carbs you put into it and the inflammatory oil you eat. These conditions are preventable.
Your skin is the largest organ of your body, and it's literally telling you every day that "I'm dying, dude, why are you doing this?" and you gobbled up capitalist propaganda and chose to mitigate your bad health with beauty products instead of actually solving the problem by changing your diet.
you fags are retarded
I feel bad for all the kids whose acne never gets fixed cause they waist years on meme food exclusions.
>>10961>muh deterioration>muh hunter gatherers
Animal products are no longer necessary in the year 2000+20; it is possible to meet all your dietary needs without animal products. Animal agriculture is not sustainable in a world with 8bn people, and it should be phased out under socialism. Liberation of the non-human proletariat will occur after the human proletariat, but it will happen. It will all be in the Green Five Year Plans. Your vehement opposal to veganism is reactionary, and it's kinda weird that you seem to love killing and eating other beings.
Predisposal to acne is genetic retard.
Gendered brain theory is reactionary nonsense and any Marxist biologist worth their salt would tell you the same. "Dysphoria" is literal nonsense - you don't feel bad about your body, you feel bad about your life and yourself as a person in general. You can see this in several new transfags, who basically think that transfaggotry would give them another, more successful, chance at life. It is, in a way, a cheat code in the West, where you will be granted special privileges and get the protection from the PC police and so on, and even some pity fucks on the side. That being said I don't see any reason why transfaggotry should be banned or persecuted or anything. Just don't expect people agreeing with your shit, just because it makes you feel better about chopping your dick off.
>>10970>Animal products are no longer necessary in the year 2000+20
BIG if true, considering we ate animal products throughout 99.9% of our evolution and not a SINGLE human civilization went completely vegan like you retards do.
Dude, just, please, just, answer this simple question for me: don't you see how these vegan advocates look like literal deteriorating ghouls? Because fucking everyone with eyes can see. You have to be beyond 50 layers of ideology to deny simple, observable facts. Vegans are ANYTHING BUT healthy. They are dying like flies at a very early age, they complain about a plethora of illnesses, their bodies can't regenerate at a proper rate, etc.
You don't understand what predisposal means, you genius fucktard. It means "under condition X you are more likely to develop B" not that it's actually okay that you have acne as an adult. It's the same coping logic "fat activists" use, turning a predisposal to obesity a justification for obesity.
not a SINGLE human civilization went completely socialist like you retards do.
Thanks for answering the SINGLE question I asked you to answer. You are totally not high on ideology or anything.
Billionaire capitalists are healthier than average prole, doesn't make it right.
The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example of human barbarity.
Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality.
>>10860>Is using products to take better care of yourself bourg
No. Being a mask-wearing faggot hiding under a layer of fake beauty because some girl-related rag told you, is bourg.
TL;DR: Take care of our skin with products available, but don't buy into capitalist beauty-fads. Keep your skin clean, and body in order.
>>10979>still not answering the question
Okay Mr. Ghandi, enjoy your spooks then.
Was this thread on /leftypol and moved to hobby? HOW did we get 116 posts in 1 day?
My wife's play mate swears by shea butter. Really keeps the skin healthy and he recommended a good brand. The skin is an organ that needs to be taken care of
>>10985>My wife's play mate
This sounds like some copy-pasta about leftcucks from /pol/, no offense.
None taken, we all lead different lives. Pay no attention to them>>10988
make sure to insert shea butter deep into you anal cavity so that the skin on your face will improve
i did this recipe 500 times, trust me
>>10985>My wife's play mate >play mate
Is your wife 6?
dont be a cuck then dipass
If anything lack of proper hygiene is bourgeois. It's not technically a physical need, so why should proles get to take care of themselves? Only porky should get to luxuriate in things that raise quality of life! Only let prole have hygiene once we figure out how to commodify it. Until then let them squat in crowded tenements and shit in the street. When we colonize all the foreigners, let them recoil in disgust at our unwashed masses. This will give us a tactical advantage.
>>10875>You can get all the skin care you will ever need from rice.
No, but the complete focus of medical R&D and the advertising industry towards such a product (which have extremely high profit margins compared to other pharmaceutical products) is inherently bourgeois.
Skincare should be considered a medical treatment and not be commoditized to hell and back.
i shower with water only
and use my god given fingers to pick out my earwax and i use my spit for aftershave
utterly bougie decadence using 3 whole products
Retarded take buddy. By the same logic you can criticize bald people for not having taken care of themselves.
>>10910>That's what daddy R.D.W. taught me.
Evidently you don't actually listen to papa Wolff very much, because that's not actually what he argues.
He literally released a video just the other day about how to do centralized planning with democratic control.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H3Ch6VXL7Q
>>10972>chopping your dick off
>>10972>Gendered brain theory is reactionary nonsense and any >Marxist biologist worth their salt would tell you the same.
There is mixed evidence as to if gender dysphoria and transgender identity are caused by exposure to hormonal fluctuations in the brain. Additionally, a discontinued hormonal medicine meant to induce early birth in pregnant women has been linked with a greater chance of AMAB children being born that develop a transgender identity.
>you don't feel bad about your body, you feel bad about your life and yourself as a person in general.
I've felt like I was meant to be a girl, and had crippling gender dysphoria since before puberty. I tried repressing but this intense disgust and anxiety about my body and people's (positive) reactions to my physically male traits and societal role grew unfettered and became unbearable to the point of dread every time I got a glimpse of myself or how people saw me. I was suicidal every single day.
>who basically think that transfaggotry would give them another, more successful, chance at life.
I spent so much time and energy engaging in performative masculinity. I was a very attractive, tall, dominant male as far as social roles go. I was treated with an unearned amount of respect and attraction from male and female peers, simply because of my stature and looks (and I guess because being constantly depressed reads as masculinity for some people. lol) Logically, I knew coming out would end the privileged position that I held in society. As well as ostracize me to many family and friends, and cause me to lose all that respect I held with others.
>It is, in a way, a cheat code in the West, where you will be granted special privileges and get the protection from the PC police and so on
Nope. I live in a relatively conservative area in the west (not saying where) I used to get called a faggot all the time early in transition, and even attacked by randos and harrassed by cops a couple of times. I get aggressively validated sometimes by overly performative liberals, but it usually feels pretty awkward and patronizing.
>and even some pity fucks on the side
Nah. I had no problems finding sex before transition, and even now when I'm not as attractive, (could be worse) all the time str8 bois will thirst after me and then devalue me when they realise I'm trans.
>that being said I don't see any reason why transfaggotry should be banned or persecuted or anything.
>Just don't expect people (((agreeing))) with your shit
I already expect bullying from assholes and pwnage by facts and logic from internet ben shapiros that think trans people are mentally ill and 'wrong' or whatever, but>just because it makes you feel better about chopping your dick off.
None of you seem serious about your arguments, it's just the same dumb shit social reactionaries make up about gay people or blacks or whatever.
PS you kind of sound like a salty incel that needs someone to punch down on or something, which I can respect, but why don't you pick on someone more deserving? Like fashoids or whatever?
>>11147>mixed evidence as to if gender dysphoria and transgender identity are caused by exposure to hormonal fluctuations in the brain.
True, but it's fairly conclusive that the overall cause of dysphoria is environmental impacts on parents (epigenics), on a pregnant mother and on the child as a toddler. The very fact that the "gay froggo" meme has actual evidence validating it gives this more impact. The amount of "gender" dysphoria has been ever increasing in the past decades, and it's not really secret that this corresponds to a rise in estrogenic plastics and hormone-affecting medicine, almost always in countries like the USA. >crippling gender dysphoria since before puberty
I'd say you're one of the real cases of gender dysphoria, which are far more rare than people realize. More often its hormonal teens with depression who are just sexually confused and haven't had their pubertal hormones run their course and are depressed by the alienating nature of capitalism. Your story indicates a clear difference to those kinds of people.
I feel that the posers and edgy teens who engage in this are the reason why trans-people have a lot of trouble, because they're a loud minority that provoke a lot of (violent) reaction from normal people by using their "trans" status to be utter radlib cunts spreading schizophrenic idpol.
Also not the original poster, just replying.
>>11147>None of you seem serious about your arguments
I mean there isn't much to argue. The short response is clearly just a lengthy "fuck off" and not a fully-fleshed out argument.
Also let's not derail this thread with this discussion.
Not that guy, but I have a few questions. I'm cis and trying to get a better idea of this issue. It's all in good faith, I won't go>muh dick chopping
I think until there is more quality evidence to support this it shouldn't be entertained. To say that chemicals in the brains are the reason for the social ills we see is silly at the very least, and extremely reactionary at the worst. Would you say depression cannot be cured without drugs? (i.e. outside intervention). Then why can't dysphoria be treated by what I suppose is a slow process of rationalizing the problem and understanding it. In a similar way leftists expect comrades to 'let go' of any nationalism, which is an identity, should we expect the same of gender? To relinquish any identity that doesn't actually 'exist'?
As a cis person my understanding of what makes someone trans is>A contradiction between the identity you feel you have on the inside, and the one assigned onto you by the outside
But what makes one 'feel' like a woman? Did/do you actually feel like a woman, or did you just have extreme hate/anxiety of being a man, and therefore wanted the 'other' option?
Also what is your opinion of transrace? I have been unable to see a difference in the two trans'. They both seek an 'idea' of an identity that doesn't exist, there is no essential set of characteristics that determines a woman, in the same way as there is no characteristic set that define a black person. However transracial people have been widely mocked (I know trans people have as well, but there is at least a movement for trans folk).>>11149
Oh no we can't derail the all important question: Is skin care booj
As for the question at hand, Is skin care bourgeois?
No. Of course not.
I think that every communist should try and become the best person that they wish to be, before and after the revolution. This includes taking care of the health of their skin, and aiming to make themselves attractive. This carries the benefit of increased self confidence and pragmatic concerns in public perception.
What is bourgeois is the vapid, cold, capitalist ideal of beauty, and the beauty industry.
Beauty is not fair, and people should not feel insufficient and restricted by a lack of beauty. This insecurity is the bread and butter of the beauty industry, as >>10861
Communists should be beautiful, but not tethered down by shallow and unattainable standards of beauty. Instead we should be inspired to become the best versions of our selves, and grow and nurture our bodies in admiration of the marvel of human life.
I see skincare as a natural extension of this appreciation and nurturance of the human form.
>>11148>The amount of "gender" dysphoria has been ever increasing in the past decades, and it's not really secret that this corresponds to a rise in estrogenic plastics and hormone-affecting medicine
Interesting, I'd like to hear about more of these plastics and medicine that have estrogenic effects.
>almost always in countries like the USA.
Is there any evidence that gender dysphoria is increasing in certain areas? If so I would assume it could be because of greater acceptance, no?>I'd say you're one of the real cases of gender dysphoria, which are far more rare than people realize.
I don't have any numbers, but I suspect that most people who transition have gender dysphoria.
>More often its hormonal teens with depression who are just sexually confused and haven't had their pubertal hormones run their course and are depressed by the alienating nature of capitalism.
I can see how the alienation of late stage capitalism can lead to identity confusion, and in theory might make a cis person think that they must be transgender. However as far as I'm aware, most people who transition do not de-transition or regret transitioning.
>Your story indicates a clear difference to those kinds of people.
One of the good ones lol
>I feel that the posers and edgy teens who engage in this are the reason why trans-people have a lot of trouble, because they're a loud minority
Emphasis on minority
>that provoke a lot of (violent) reaction from normal people by using their "trans" status to be utter radlib cunts spreading schizophrenic idpol.
The way I see it is that these people are a small subset of all trans people, and are essentially cherry-picked by transphobes in order to build something of a strawman, in addition to these utter radlib cunts (lol) that are spreading schizo idpol because that's the bread and butter of liberal sensationalism in the msm.
no worries>>11149>I mean there isn't much to argue. The short response is clearly just a lengthy "fuck off" and not a fully-fleshed out argument.
Yeah I guess this is something of an exercise in intellectual masturbation for me, but I'd like to expose them for the flimsy disingenuous ground that they stand on, that often permeates their character.
>Also let's not derail this thread with this discussion.
Find out your skin type (dry/oily/combination) and keep your routine simple. Be gentle to your purty skin even if your a boi.
Also retinol works pretty well to rejuvenate your skin, but please do not bask in allah's holy light before washing your face again, for it is haram.>>11152
Not that guy, but I have a few questions. I'm cis and trying to get a better idea of this issue. It's all in good faith, I won't go>muh dick chopping
Wew thank you haha.
>>Chemicals>I think until there is more quality evidence to support this it shouldn't be entertained. To say that chemicals in the brains are the reason for the social ills we see is silly at the very least, and extremely reactionary at the worst.
I think in the case of maternal or natal exposure to certain chemicals increasing the chances of a child experiencing gender dysphoria, that there is some evidence, as mentioned above.
>Would you say depression cannot be cured without drugs? (i.e. outside intervention).
In the case of depression I would say no, there are other avenues of treatment. However this is not the case for all health conditions which affect the mind. Like say, parkinsons (aside from surgery?). Or perhaps leveling out the mood swings of severe bipolar disorder.
>Then why can't dysphoria be treated by what I suppose is a slow process of rationalizing the problem and understanding it. It's a good question, and the medical community has tried psychotherapy for centuries as an alternative to transition, however it has met with no success as far as I can tell. And today the only cure known for gender dysphoria is transition.
>should we expect the same of gender? To relinquish any identity that doesn't actually 'exist'?
Gender roles are deeply ingrained in social interactions and common understanding, while subject to change. There is also a correlation between levels of sex hormones and an effect on personality and physique for instance, while these also vary among different people, masculine and feminine, they tend to fall roughly into categories of male, female, or androgynous.
So yes I think you could say that gender does exist in some instance, but that it is pliable to change, and should not be allowed to hold anyone back from their full potential
And yes nationalism is a disease and a false consciousness. However I think that it is worth considering the critiques made by someone such as Joseph Stalin, who pointed out that people who live in a certain area tend to share customs and a local culture, unique to their geographical location. Which, while not needing to be the basis of geographical boundaries, deserves recognition and incorporation into internationalism, or something to that effect.
>As a cis person my understanding of what makes someone trans is>>A contradiction between the identity you feel you have on the inside, and the one assigned onto you by the outside
I's say that is pretty accurate, and I'd add a feeling of wrongeness about the sexual traits of the body you develop is a hallmark of gender dysphoria.
>but what makes one 'feel' like a woman? Did/do you actually feel like a woman, or did you just have extreme hate/anxiety of being a man, and therefore wanted the 'other' option?
Yes, good question.
I'd say that I felt that I was a girl from that very early age, and my parents and everyone else were mistaken about my gender. I was initially very confused about having a dick lol, when I was a very young child I was sure that the doctor simply got my sex wrong, and told my parents the wrong thing. As I got older, growing up with no access to information about transitioning, I came to accept that I wished more than anything to be a girl, but that it was impossible. So I attempted to be the best boy, the best man that I could. But My dysphoria and persistent feelings of pain and dread about my gender only continued to grow late into my puberty. I internalized very negative feelings about masculinity in myself and others until well into my transition, whereas now I don't see masculinity as inherently negative at all, and appreciate a lot of aspects of it even. In other people of any gender and even in myself to some extent.
Also what is your opinion of transrace?
It seems ridiculous to me. I don't see a reason for it other than internalized negative or positive opinions about a certain race, or perhaps some personal preference. This is with the exception of marginalized ethnic minorities whom 'transition' to be perceived as a race that is received more positively by their wider community, such as lighter skinned Black people pretending to be Caucasian in America. I have sympathy for these cases, however unfortunate.
>Oh no we can't derail the all important question: Is skin care booj
I think what we really need to ask though is if skin care is a jewish trick
>>11154>plastics and medicine that have estrogenic effects
Ever heard of BPAs? That's just the tip of the iceburg of plastic related issues. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222987/
TL;DR: Most plastic products, especially those used in water bottles and baby products are full of chemicals that affect the endocrine systems of people among other things.
Also for the Gay Frogs:
xenoestrogens in food packaging, additives and agricultural pesticides are so widespread that porky is well aware sexual ambiguity will become far more prevalent in the future; using LGBTQIA+ 'movements' as an ideological cope to mitigate the backlash against the biochemical warfare we're subjected to. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=xenoestrogens https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=bisphenol+a https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=atrazine https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/9/17/17841518/low-sperm-count-semen-male-fertility
Not even a """conspiracy theory""" at this point.https://www.hormone.org/your-health-and-hormones/endocrine-disrupting-chemicals-edcs https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1281309/ https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-01-16-alex-jones-is-right-atrazine-pesticide-proven-to-be-a-powerful-chemical-castrator-that-turns-male-frogs-into-homosexuals-see-the-science.html http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna
>any evidence that gender dysphoria is increasing in certain areas
Gender dysphoria and the whole presence of trans development is a wholly Western one, we don't have nearly the same numbers in any other country outside of Thailand, and those are their own set of moral dilemmas of why they choose to be ladyboys. >most people who transition have gender dysphoria
There is a literal subreddit dedicated to de-transitioned people, who talk about being pressured into this. One of the biggest examples of this happening is the Reimer Brother experiment with Dr. Money, a pedophilic hack 'scientist' who pushed this whole ideological mess in the first place. >most people who transition do not de-transition or regret transitioning
Considering trans-suicide rates… I'm fairly sure, that most people don't get the chance to complain.
>One of the good ones
And I'm glad. I don't mind trans people at all. My problem is with the flamboyant cunts who think being trans = being a self-important idpol prick and give anyone who is trans a bad name. >cherry-picked by transphobes
I don't think they're cherry-picked, they basically write the /pol/'s rants for them. >the bread and butter of liberal sensationalism in the msm
Fuckin' this. >do not bask in allah's holy light before washing your face again, for it is haram.
Top kek>>11152>we can't derail the all important question
Whether or not it is important or not, point is thread derailment is not a good idea, especially for idpol discussions.
Parkinsons has a physical effect though. I believe we can study how it is caused because of this, however we can't study depression. We can't FIND the depression because it doesn't 'exist'. I would say the same for the 'feeling' of an identity, but this discussion is to get a better idea of this notion.
>So yes I think you could say that gender does exist in some instance
What you've described are gender roles, which of course exist and have measurable impacts. However the identity of male or female doesn't exist strictly since it assumes a set of attributes which are 'female'. What is masculine and fem is arbitrary and up for the current society (pink used to be masc for example). If you want to fit into current gender roles you could just do the cooking and cleaning, rather than changing your body to 'fit' your 'identity'.
I don't feel male. I do have moments of 'masc' and 'fem' respectively, however I don't associate these with an identity other than myself. To associate a 'male' or 'female' identity I must realise a set of qualities that make women a women intrinsically (and there are none). This is where I struggle with truly understanding the trans position.
I understand we may have to tolerate some forms of nationalism in some factor, as our job is difficult and will result in inevtiable compromises. I'm kinda trying to just determine what we 'should' do. As society would never consider someone who is extreme nationalistic as having a mental illness. And no leftist would try cure it with medicine. We seek an ideological victory over nationalism.
I sympathize a lot with your story. Thank you very much for sharing. What do you think of this current movement around "you don't need dysphoria to be trans"?
The main fear I have regarding the movement (this isn't from a place of naivety) is the 'forcing' kids into transitioning and shit. There is a huge 'if you're not 100% with us you hate us and are a nazi' thing around the trans movement. I remember being a teen and I can pinpoint times where I would question my identity and who I 'was' (but I think this is a false dichotomy raised in capitalist society, I simply grew up to be myself rather than a 'type' of person) specifically where I dressed as a girl. I could see myself in this vulnerable position and being intercepted by forward trans activists telling me to 'hatch' or something. >>11163
This guy hints on this too. I understand there is a lot of scaremongering around this, but it is a real occurrence.
>Transrace seems ridiculous>I don't see a reason for it other than internalized negative or positive opinions about a certain race, or perhaps some personal preference.
How is this different to transgender? The cases you have sympathy for are like women transitioning to be men for the social benefits, it however isn't really an argument for how these are different. They are both individuals taking control of their 'identities'.
My point is that transrace seems ridiculous, it's kinda a joke. However this was transgenderism 100 years ago. It was completely unheard of. But we should be able to determine what is and isn't "right" ideologically. So if someone comes out as transrace we can determine whether they are worth solidarity or not, like how the early trans movement started. If someone came up to you as a white person and said "i feel black inside…" you'd go>wtf? what's black? just because you like hip hop doesn't make you black
and you'd be right. But how is this any different to changing ones gender?
Nigga who tf cares? Go outside
Then that is not skincare but cosmetics…
bros is shampoo a meme?
my hair doesn't really smell if i don't clean it with shampoo for a week and it holds up great and don't need to use any product gel
is the grease bad for my hair's long term health? i still run it through water everyday but just not shampoo>>10916
is that really a conspiracy? please explain i hear that stuff often and don't know if it is true or not
I wash with shampoo but use the minimum amount and every other time I shower. Same thing with soap. Losing oil and drying out your skin/damaging pores, is very possible, because modern soap and shampoo is literal detergent unless you specifically order organic stuff.
You're just fine.
>>11182>really a conspiracy
No, soap-shills who think in dogmatics of "either you use soap or you don't" like to claim this, but frankly being mindful with soaps when washing is fairly normal.
I only use shampoo when I actually have something nasty I need to wash out of my hair. Otherwise I just rinse it thoroughly and avoid shampoo because it makes my hair a pain to manage after washing out its oils.
I had about 2 years where I washed my hair maybe once a month. Everyday with water though. However with longer hair the greasiness I found a bit unbearable and unattractive. Although I agree it definitely is a meme for most men with relatively short hair.
Also guys please use conditioner sometimes, it makes your hair look a lot healthier and more attractive imo
Not really an option in areas where the tap water is "hard". It'll make your hair extremely stiff after a while and your scalp gets covered in gunk. You can off course keep some vinegar handy, but at that point why not just go whole hog and use actual shampoo
>>11163>Gender dysphoria and the whole presence of trans development is a wholly Western one
Gender transition has been present in the historical record for thousands of years, in addition many native cultures including tribes in North America and Pacific Island cultures have a concept and social role for men and women that feel they are the opposite gender, or something in between.
Additionally the first modern surgical and hormonal medical transitions were carried out in a sexual health research institute in Denmark starting in the early 1900's. The institute was promptly raided after the nazi coup, all of the research gathered and burned, and the employees and patients sent to the camps.
These identities are not western and in fact it is western culture that has attempted to erase them.
Specifically the dark hand of reaction as exemplified by the nazis, has attempted in futility to erase the existence of transgender people from history, and to destroy us completely.
>One of the biggest examples of this happening is the Reimer Brother experiment with Dr. Money
I am going to stop you right there. That experiment is actually a great example that transgender identity can not be simply influenced on to someone. The doctor had this infant raised female when he was born a boy. The child grew up in a female role, and expressed severe gender dysphoria, resulting in his transitioning back to male. With the combined trauma causing him to kill himself. This is evidence that gender roles are not socialized, and are in fact conditioned in the brain from birth. Also yes rest in piss Dr. Money you pedophilic hack.>who pushed this whole ideological mess in the first place.
200 IQ Qanon tier conspiracy.
>I don't think they're cherry-picked, they basically write the /pol/'s rants for them.
Okay but you can see how /pol/ is cherry picking them yes?
Most trans people do not act like this.>>11166>Parkinsons has a physical effect though.
So does depression and the brain incongruence that causes gender dysphoria, both are visible on a mri scan wdym?
>If you want to fit into current gender roles you could just do the cooking and cleaning, rather than changing your body to 'fit' your 'identity'.
Okay but this doesn't cure my gender dysphoria, which centers primarily around my body and how other people interact with me. I'm tomboyish behaviorally anyways.
>As society would never consider someone who is extreme nationalistic as having a mental illness
S O O N
>We seek an ideological victory over nationalism.
>I sympathize a lot with your story. Thank you very much for sharing.
It's no worries, thank you very much for listening : )
>What do you think of this current movement around "you don't need dysphoria to be trans"?
It's a good question, I think it's valid and people can have a transgender identity with dysphoria. Personally, I highlight my dysphoria to (shamelessly pander) explain why transitioning was a difficult but necessary need for me. For me, I would stay closeted forever due to aforementioned privileges if I had no dysphoria. I enjoy and immerse myself in lot's of different things in life and most of them have little to do with gender. This is rather cringe to say, and oversharing, but pragmatically speaking it would be nice to be a big communist chad that has more opportunity to contribute more to communism, and I'd age way better in 10 years once I finally get my shit together.
>The main fear I have regarding the movement (this isn't from a place of naivety) is the 'forcing' kids into transitioning and shit.
I understand your concerns over this, and vulnerable children have very impressionable minds that must be kept safe from harmful influences.
I think that most people and most parents share these concerns over young children transitioning.
I will say that many young transgender kids like I was myself will have an incongruent gender identity from a young age, and express dysphoria even before puberty in many cases, like for myself. If this gender dysphoria persists throughout childhood and the child wishes to transition, then I feel it is medically necessary to treat the child with hormonal (puberty blockers can delay puberty and give time for a final decision) and social therapy and transitioning support. There are many parents that refuse to let their children transition, even in the face of dysphoria and against their child's will. It is extremely painful and damaging to a transgender child to be forced to go through the 'wrong' puberty by the people they put their faith and trust in, have no chance at living as a child of their internal gender, and be stuck in the 'wrong' body forever unless eventual hormonal and surgical treatment is successful at reversing most of the changes to secondary sex traits brought on by puberty. This is not brought up as often in the media, but I think it is a massive and overlooked factor that should be brought up whenever the topic of medical transitioning in transgender children is brought up.
>There is a huge 'if you're not 100% with us you hate us and are a nazi' thing around the trans movement.
I see what you mean,and I think it makes some sense that people would act defensive or paranoid, given the amount of hostility and manipulative hate campaigns trans people face.
>I remember being a teen and I can pinpoint times where I would question my identity and who I 'was' (but I think this is a false dichotomy raised in capitalist society, I simply grew up to be myself rather than a 'type' of person) specifically where I dressed as a girl. I could see myself in this vulnerable position and being intercepted by forward trans activists telling me to 'hatch' or something.
I understand your fears and I can see that your right, often times cis people that engage in gender non conforming activities are pressured to transition. Perhaps this is an extension of the societal discomfort at gender non conforming people. As a society we need to grow more familiar with and become more comfortable with breaking gender roles.
>How is this different to transgender?>They are both individuals taking control of their 'identities'
There is no biological basis for transitioning to live as another race. If transitioning to live as another race makes their lives better, than great good for them, it's not hurting anyone, but it is a completely different phenomenon.
>My point is that transrace seems ridiculous, it's kinda a joke. However this was transgenderism 100 years ago. It was completely unheard of. But we should be able to determine what is and isn't "right" ideologically. So if someone comes out as transrace we can determine whether they are worth solidarity or not, like how the early trans movement started.
Okay this makes sense to me.It's a bit cynical but I don't think public support for "transrace" concerns will have a net positive impact on communist orgs, and I don't think it is a big societal issue effecting a lot of people really.
Transgenderism However effects a lot more people, it's a lot more present in the public zeitgeist, it has a lot more of a scientific and medical basis, it has a greater relevance to the history of class struggle, reaction and imperialism as I mentioned above, and it is simply more defend-able and with greater working class support.
Also really motherfuckers please take care of your hair and use conditioner every once in a while, this shampoo is a meme thing is scaring the shit out of me.
Can we NOT have this thread derailment continue? Please? I or just about anyone else could respond, but engaging in gender discussion is not the point of this thread nor do I want to engage.
I won't even bother with this 'tribes' and 'thousands of years of history' because as a person who has studied history for a while, reading that gives me an aneurysm that I am not prepared to face. >200 IQ Qanon tier conspiracy
He is often cited by liberals as a pioneer for this kind of research, no conspiracy about it. The CIA did the same thing with Gloria Steinhem and Feminism, so it's not unreasonable and idea.
Wasn't trying to derail the thread. Honestly it's been pretty much dead with no activity for over a week, so I don't feel like I'm taking over discussion here. I'd love to talk skincare however, discuss routines/product reviews and what not. Or talk about the beauty industry and the beauty standards it cements in the popular zeitgeist.
>I won't even bother with this 'tribes' and 'thousands of years of history'
Maybe you should research more before you do.>He is often cited by liberals as a pioneer for this kind of research
No he's not.>The CIA did the same thing with Gloria Steinhem and Feminism
A feminist having CIA ties does not discredit feminism. John Money wasn't even a transgender activist and he has no relation to transgender rights outside of this conspiracy you've constructed here.
M8… I have and I'm not delving into this further. >No he's not
He is, given that I've seen liberal agitators talk about him and even the most skeptical articles praise his 'gender' ideas. >https://www.salon.com/2015/01/04/pervert_or_sexual_libertarian_meet_john_money_the_father_of_fology/ >A feminist having CIA ties does not discredit feminism
Except it does in the West. Second Wave and Third Wave feminism as well as black feminism demonstrate an obvious problem in their attitudes. That's ignoring the original Western Feminist movement being a result of the Capitalists not wanting to let the USSR and it's social changes look good, and so allowing for welfare capitalism to compete.
I'm not even going to go into the S.C.U.M. Manifesto. >John Money wasn't even a transgender activist
never said he was >and he has no relation to transgender rights outside of this conspiracy you've constructed here.
It's not a conspiracy when his 'work' IS used and cited by liberals and is similar in how other social movements were tainted by CIA assets.
>>11686>I'm not delving into this further.
proceeds to delve further lol
>some random article mentions he had an interest in transgenderism and was supposedly significant for sex research.
even the most skeptical articles praise his 'gender' ideas
I'm not sure where your finding these articles but I have only ever seen sources calling him crazy and a pedo.>I'm not even going to go into the S.C.U.M. Manifesto
No idea what this is, maybe don't mention it if your just gonna name drop.
>Except it does in the West
Third worldism but for feminism lol
Anyways no, feminism and the transgender rights movement are obviously not glowups.
I tried one of those pore patches recently, pinched a massive blackhead out and this is the first time my nose has bled from its pores in like a decade.
>>11686>I'm not even going to go into the S.C.U.M. Manifesto
Oh, please do
>muh moral aesthetiscm
holy shit, Leftism/Post-Leftism is not a religion you idiots. Taking care of your skin is not "bourgeois", and even if it was who cares. I'm not going to let my face be filled with acne and look like shit just because of some stupid notion that it might be bourgeois to buy skin care products. Sure, there are people who go overboard with the consumerist aspect, but that's true for anything in consumer capitalism—blame the system, not the individual. Moralfags need to fuck off.international_brigadeInternational Brigade
Aren't all those creams a little bit like printer cartridges, that you have to buy over and over, isn't there a better way to achieve the same effect, that lasts a longer time ?
>>16501>I tried one of those pore patches recently, pinched a massive blackhead out and this is the first time my nose has bled from its pores in like a decade.
Sweating clears out your pores. Sauna is great if you can get that, but jumping jacks with 3 layers of clothing will do the trick too.
Sure. Never drink, never smoke, never leave your house when the sun is out.
Assuming that is not a lie. It's all genetics, you can't "do" that.
lol no. your skin wrinkles and blemishes and thins out with age no matter who you are. It can come slower or faster depending on stuff like skincare, sun, diet and stress. Assuming that is actually a 40 yo man with no beauty filter (it's not) he would have to have surgery to lift his skin and at least dermal fillers to reintroduce more volume into the face
Additionally there is very little reddness in the face,and the hands seem soft, which would suggest low testosterone/high estrogen. So he would likely have to be on HRT as well. More likely though it's a women in her 20s/ early 30s that has taken good care of her skin, recieved dermal fillers and is decent at makeup
I believe in taking care of myself, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I’ll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial masque which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.spurdoSpurdo
Reminder that HRT is the best skincare treatment.
Teen girl or young adult woman. Never seen a grown man look that feminine.
My dad told me my forehead's skin looks like shit because I keep touching and rubbing it, is there any truth to that?
But yes it's true
I don't know why the fuck the skin turns bad if you keep touching
it's entire job is to make contact
Tretinoin is even better, it actually reverses wrinkles. It'll make your skin sensitive to light so wear a strong sunscreen if you're going to use it.
>>17966>reverses aging from UV rays>makes you more sensitive to UV rays
Sounds like an RPG item
Ok unironically, whats the redpilled skincare product. Lower cost and less insentive the better, no steroids that ruin your skin long term?brocialismBrocialism
>>16507>Never drink, never smoke, never leave your house when the sun is out.
Based. Easy, I already do that.
It's called not going out in the sun. Sun rays are the cause of like 90 or 95+% of skin aging.
A routine that consists of vitamin C, sunscreen and a moisturizer with hyaluronic acid. Anything more than that is most probably overkill unless your skin is REALLY shit. Also exercising and a healthy diet helps considerably.
Tretinoin 0.05% for reversing wrinkles rather than preventing, though it's going to make your skin a bit photosensitive so wear a strong sunscreen. If it's too much for you there's also tret 0.025% available.
Collagen is a bit of a meme though ingesting it is going to at least make sure your reserves are full, but it won't do you any miracles unlike tret.>>18065
Going vampire mode is your best bet indeed. Wear sunscreen and/or don't go out between 10 and 7. Take vit D supplements and/or mushrooms that were exposed to sunlight.
re Tretinoin, how long does it take to have a discernible effect when stacked with sunscreen and such? And is there a Tret 1%?
I want to get a dermal roller/stampper for some cystic acne scars I have on my face, but I'm concerned about stacking everything…
Tret's effects take weeks sometimes, maybe a few months. Depends on the person. There is tret 1% but if you want to go with the strongest one I'd suggest buying a small one and test how your skin reacts. If it's too strong move to 0.05% and so on.
Regarding dermarollers I've personally seen conflicting info on whether the ones meant for home use work or not, but maybe what I read was big pharma (derma?) propaganda. Understandable though because professional microneedling is expensive afaik. If you're going to go with it you should do a bit more research tbh.
Maybe ask /fa/'s skincare threads for further advice if you don't mind posting on 4chan?
>>18070>Retinoids reduce fine lines and wrinkles by increasing the production of collagen. They also stimulate the production of new blood vessels in the skin, which improves skin color. Additional benefits include fading age spots and softening rough patches of skin. However, it takes three to six months of regular use before improvements in wrinkles are apparent—and the best results take six to 12 months.
>Because retinoids can cause skin dryness and irritation, doctors often recommend using them only every other day at first and then gradually working up to nightly applications. Wear a sunscreen during the day, because retinoids increase the skin's sensitivity to sunlight. These drugs must be used continually to maintain their benefits.
>Tretinoin (Retin-A, generic), tazarotene (Avage, Tazorac), and adapalene (Differin) are prescription retinoids. Adapalene is also available over the counter (in a 0.1% formulation versus the 0.3% prescription version). Other retinoids are undergoing clinical trials.
>In addition, several over-the-counter products containing retinoids, such as retinol, are available. Because they're not as strong (and thus less irritating), they are not as effective in reducing wrinkles as tretinoin; but they do improve the appearance of photo-aged skin. Tretinoin can be used with alpha hydroxy acids (AHAs) for additional skin-smoothing effects.
interesting, thanks anon
Why do I keep getting fucking pimples?
I'm in my mid 20s.
I eat healthy
I drink a lot of water.
I change pillow cover weekly
I use face wash in the morning with my shower
I use moistureizer after to not have it dry out (I really wish I knew this during high school!)
Why do I still end up getting white heads/pimples? Also, "god forbid" I have a single fucking snack on a weekend, let's say some fast food or some chips and a coke. My face will look like I just hit puberty for 1.5 weeks until it goes back to the "normal" of my regular shitty baseline of 1-3 zits emerging randomly across my face again.
What the fuck?
While I'm at it, what am I missing? I've heard that there's some product that you apply specifically on a zit and then it's gone the next day. What's the technical name for that?
>>18583>I change pillow cover weekly
every 2 weeks is enough, you get less detergent residue on your skin>I use face wash in the morning with my shower>I use moisturizer
probably too much product and too much washing
>I've heard that there's some product that you apply specifically on a zit and then it's gone the next day.
70% alcohol, if you are fearless you can freezburn it with liquid nitrogen
>>18584>freezburn it with liquid nitrogen
Pretty sure that's for sun spots / moles lol You mean amateurs self-apply this? Sounds dangerous as fuck>70% alcohol
Yeah, looked up, found this clip https://youtu.be/lQPjbsVh61c
. It seems to support your claim, while also mixing in some other tips like using a needle and q-tips. Also mentions salicylic acid and benzoyl peroxide.
Reading onward it seems I may have neglected the order in which I apply stuff. Sometimes I've applied moisturizer before
either using an abrasive toner or shaving. That may have not only countered the effectiveness (oil blocking pores from product) or worsened acne lol should've double-checked that one! Online guides definitely specify applying moisturizer last in whichever skincare routine.
Dermatologist propaganda to scare you off with the needle onto their hands. Just wait for white head and then squeeze from sides without your nails.
Have you thought about using a dermapen or roller?
>>20352>a dermapen or roller?
How legit are they?
>>21426>The ad is hilarious.
>Putting petroleum products on or in his body
It works pretty well but you have to clean it n shieeet
Not a problem, that's basically any razor or other skin-care tool.
Petroleum is bad… because it's just bad, okay?
i like this meme format
wonder why they were called emotional posters lol
is skin aging really that bad tho?>>18067
btw i get my sunlight by just exposing my knees and legs and hands for 30 minutes every other day
am i safe? am i skin maxxingg? getting natural vitamin d while having good skin where it matters?
it's makeup. layers and layers of makeup.
>>21442>Petroleum is bad… because it's just bad, okay?
Because it isn't biodegradable, meaning your body can't process it you fucking retard. God I hate people like you, who just repeat corporate propaganda without a second thought and dismiss anyone who says:>You know, maybe the petrochemical industry doesn't have your best interest at heart?<CONSPIRITOID HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE OUR CORPORATE MASTERS??!?!https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vaseline-petroleum-jelly_n_4136226
Ok but just check the label so you don't get petrolshit.
Just stay hydrated
eat clean and consume good fat ratio
facial yoga to get the good blood flow
moderate nice sunshine and clean air
don't overly scrub your face hard and trash it
you'll be fine, don't need all that funny stuff you're buying
is vaseline enough to make my lips soft again? i've been applying it for 3 days now and not much results
weird how we need external things like these to make our lips naturally in its normal state
**is it bad to chew out the old bi
Just get a chap stick and apply very little. AND DRINK WATER
if i can't afford to buy a chapstick, will a vaseline, petroleum jelly be fine???
i also drink 3-4 liters of water daily and try my best now to stop licking my lips
Yeah. I mention chap stick because it's easier to apply less. Apply a thin layer on your finger, then apply that to one or both lips and smooch. 💋 applying to much I've found is not conducive to healing. They should feel oily. It's just the least amount to get the job done.
Maybe cut down on caffeine? Caffeine makes me shred my lips.
use bee's wax chap stick instead of petroleum (which clogs pores and isn't degradable by your stomach)
and yeah d r i n k w a t e r
thanks anon, i've stopped drinking caffeine >>22720
is that like wax made out of bee's homes?
>clogs pores and isn't degradable by stomach
man why does petroleum jelly even exist
is it some waste product they sell us? or was that doreamon episode true, and it's to keep us warm
Pissed off that the stuff that isn't snake oil is unobtainable without a prescription. I just want tretinoin for god's sake.>>21584>wonder why they were called emotional posters lol
They originally used to be generic motivational posters you'd see on an office, then the internet turned them upside down and turned them into "demotivators". Then as usual normalfags got hold of it and bastardized them into proto-internet macros.
Drinking water is not bourgeoisie.
If you have a skin disease, treating it is not bourgeoisie.
at the very least put on sunscreen before u go outside
online pharmacies are a good option for americans. Have you looked into that?>>23217
OP is a retard. Of course skin care isn't bourgeoise and even if it was, participating in capitalism is bourgeoise so what of it.
No, but if you marry a dermatologist you might get sick of seeing the same products over and over again. What a farce.
Having skin is bourgeoisie rip it off
How did old man groom his moustache?
wax seems like too much, and waste of money really
What's the best way to keep a big mustache and also not eat your own hair
i thought steam was bad for ur skin since it stimulates more oil production
>>24310>I prefer feminine looking or more youthful looking guys like the one on the right as opposed to the one on the left
This totally looks like a post I would have made but I think that it is not. I believe we may be kindred spirits. Reply if you wish so that we may converse 🐸
hippies b coping
Learn to read.>>21600>Because it isn't biodegradable,>>21639
What makes you think I don't I'm advising others to make the same decision? Obviously the product should banned, but first off you dumbasses should think before you put all kinds of industrial garbage on or in your body.
"Baby oil," mineral oil. That stuff is all poison. Those are just some of the most egregious stuff.
Or keep doing it who cares. People later like, wait, why the fuck do I have cancer?
moisturizer + 50f sunscreen + tret, you literally dont need anything else except maybe an exfoliating cream
idek where the petroleum jelly meme came from
Probably from the petroleum industry.
is it an american thing? ive never even seen that thing on shelves in my country
Vaseline is very common in America. Imagine bathing yourself in an oil slick on purpose.
>but the gubbermint said it was safe!
That's all the logic the average burger needs.
Also vaselin weakens condoms and makes them more prone to tearing, if you ever planned on using that shit.
Hell no I wouldn't I cringe when I see women using it as lube in videos. Your vagina would be the worst place to use it. The amount that is going to be absorbed into your body is going to be increased in a mucous membrane.
Like really if you want to cover yourself in an oil for I don't know what reason, why not use a food oil like coconut oil or something?
coconut oil is necessary for life
9/10 homosexuals agree
What do I do about my face being darker than rest of my skin? How do you lighten it and even the tone? I'm not sure if it's a tan or something else causing it.
thats normal, the best you can do is wear sunscreen regularly (you should do this anyway) and avoid exposure to sunlight and your tan might slowly revert
sun is the worst for skin
literally all of the problems come from it
just take vitamin d pills and wear a hat
99% sure that will make you age good, no need for creams
what's the best oil for hair? i use coconut
Use retinol and vitamin c at night before you sleep.
This shit is amazing, I look way healthier and like 10 years younger.
use sunscreen and skin brighteners, like vitamin C is a good mild one that is also good for your skin
>>24733>idek where the petroleum jelly meme came from
Petroleum companies trying to figure out what to do with industrial waste products. It can help with certain things by simply sealing things in from the atmosphere, which can prevent certain kinds of infection from getting oxygen, or to help form a seal over an injury which results in your blood clotting in the injury faster. But these are just because of the physical properties of a thick sticky substance covering the area, nothing to do with the specific chemistry (let alone biochemistry) involved.>>24738
It's actually worse lol. Petroleum jelly is the shit they remove from crude oil. It's literally industrial waste.
do people who apply so much skin creams, like get cancer or some disease from it?
or do they just waste money? I can't imagine having the skin absorb all these chemicals that I can't imagine we were used to, can be good
sunscreen, creams, moisturizer
Shit that makes your skin peel off
Acne wrote this post
its called purging, it doesnt happen to everyone and goes away after a few weeks
shut up hippie
My skin has never been better two weeks after stopping the use of creams, face-washes, moisturizers etc. I just wash my face once or twice a day with water, generally high pressure from the shower. Skin is nice and smooth. If that doesn't work for you? idk kys i guess lol
>Is x bourgeois?
Early /hobby/ threads are so shitty lol.
you are a fucking dumbass, transhumanist here telling you that gender dysphoria is a feeling i had since way before i even went to school and socialized with anyone or ever knew about the existence of trans people. talking about whether theories are marxist then saying your answer which is a wrong one, youre a fucking joke, you should fuck off and not type anymore, stupid fuck, no investigation no right to speak, i fucking hate you, and yeah im serious
Stopped reading that post at "Marxist biologist" lol
I love retinol and sun block. Seriously my two most used creams. What else should I add? >>34747
Its a really old post. Don't get hooked on it.
That sounds good enough already. A moisturizer if you need one.
that tub of cera ve will last one person half a year
Just keep your skin from being dry all the time
Drink lots of water
Find soap/body wash that doesn't fuck your shit up
Stay away from fucked up air/temperatures
There, free dermatology barring serious disease
Also, in addition to hydration, you need your skin clear of debris, excess oil, etc
Sometimes rinsing and soap are enough but you can buy special cleansers which have chemicals and ointments to help
Salicyclic acid is a good ingredient for a deep chemical exfoliation of the face however it shouldn't be done too much, and look into micellar water which is less intense too
Ceramides and hyaluronic acid are the most common ingredients for locking in moisture
Retinol is also a good general anti-aging ingredient for people over 30, although it's used in younger people to help with acne too
I don't think mineral oil is dangerous if it's only applied on the skin instead of ingested or whatever
If you're really paranoid, you could try seed oils as moisture protectors instead
>>35735>>35748>doesn't mention sunblock
Almost perfect post.
Yeah, UV is a problem, too
Forgot about that
White hands typed this post
Ashy gross white hands
Skin cares only bourgeois if you're pale. If you're darker skinned like me you should have a good skin care routine only cause scars and dead/dry skin show up more on darker shades and look worse but healthy skin looks better in darker shades
So if you explicitly want people to work 13 hour days and then lead utterly austere lives without even the democratic electoral facade we get in the West how the fuck is anything you promote better than what people already get under neoliberalism?
Blackheads are more cosmetically prominent on paler skinned people
Dumb point in general, it's not just cosmetics it's also feel and health
>>35790>mentions normal communal living and car sharing<fucking meaningless treatless utterly austere lives
we got some work to do
anything besides sunscreen, moisturizer and retinoids is snake oil. maybe a cleanser if you really need it
Well youre gonna need a cleanser if you use sunscreen.
Cant I just wash my face with warm water?
No, sunscreen needs a surfactant to be fully removed.
>>35790>mentions normal communal living and car sharing<fucking meaningless treatless utterly austere lives
I use vitamin C on top of that, a brand that rips off the skinceutical formula with ferrulic acid. I also exfoliate because it makes me feel like a beautiful Chinese princess , I don't think anyone uses anything else beyond that.
i bought 7% glycolic acid toner to exfoliate with
you apply it 2-3 times a week during your afternoon or evening routine after the cleanser
you can make DIY glycolic acid toner by dissolving unrefined sugar in water and adding stuff like honey and tea water
there are more comprehensive recipes online if you search for them
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