Nazis do not understand Tolkien Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:38 No. 11616
The fact that Nazis are into Tolkien’s works has always surprised me. I can understand at a surface level that Tolkien based his works off Norse/Anglo-Saxon culture. For example, the Rohirrim are just straight copied from Anglo-Saxon Culture, hell they even speak Old English. But excluding that, Tolkien was hard-core Catholic and he himself described the Lord of the Rings as a Catholic work “unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision”(Letters of J.R.R Tolkien, letter 142). Secondly, The Nazi’s asked Tolkien about his “Aryan” heritage. He wrote back to them saying that his family was German, and Tolkien said that their real reason for asking him about his heritage is to see if was Jewish. Which he replied he was not, but he did call them “gifted people” (letter 30). Finally, Tolkien stated his huge dislike of Adolf Hitler “I have in this War a burning private grudge against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler. Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making forever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light.” (letter 45)
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:39 No. 11619
Nice thread
Since Tolkien and Lord of the Rings are pretty good stuff I'm going to link Tolkien posts from the Fantasy thread
The Last Ringbearer
>>1214 Tolkien's politics and 'racism' in his story and his life
>>4152 >>4171 >>10987 >>10993 Elf Politics
>>2052 >>11484 Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:46 No. 11675
>>11615 Are there any communists in lotr?
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:46 No. 11676
Could any solid LotR lore experts redpill me on who the hell Ghan-buri-Ghan was? When I read the third book, his appearance seemed like a total non sequitur. Is there any lore to him, or why is he even in the story in the first place?
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:46 No. 11678
>>11676 >Ghân-buri-Ghân Of him specifically, nothing besides what is given in the book. But he was part of the Drúedain, who are related to men. They are described as being shorter and fatter than regular men, and overall have primitive and wild culture and appearance. They are good natured, and have always fought on the side of good. Unfortunately they have been persecuted by wicked or ignorant men, who see them as evil based on their appearance. Because of this persecution they are very secretive and keep to themselves and a couple of stories have shown them to use magic, that ordinary have no knowledge of.
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dr%C3%BAedain#cite_note-TD-1 One theory about them that I find interesting in that they could be men who weren't corrupted by discord caused by Melkor during the Ainulindalë (The Music of the Ainur)
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:47 No. 11685
>>11675 It's a fairly medieval setting so I don't think so. The hobbits are bourgs, the Humans are feudal, the Goblins are high-way robbers and normal elves are a stagnant group of elites while Wood Elves are semi-tribalistic anprims. The dragons are artificial spirits given chimeric forms and the Orcs are dominated by strength for leadership.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:48 No. 11690
>>11678 Neanderthal parallel?
Pretty forward thinking of Tolkien if so, and an interesting way to work them into the mythology.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:51 No. 11710
>>11685 >The hobbits are bourgs Nah they're more like kulaks
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:52 No. 11718
>>11690 I doubt it. It is more likely it is just a coincide.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:52 No. 11722
>>11718 I mean, knowledge of them had proliferated quite a bit by that point, and Wells even wrote a story of them as 'barbarous beasts' by 1911.
Which does fit in well with the typical views held by Tolkien's 'ignorant men;'
granted, the idea that Neanderthals were effectively humans in terms of their brainpower is a relatively modern understanding,
so perhaps he really did just get lucky in his depiction of related but slightly different from men primitive humans.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:54 No. 11733
I prefer the Hobbit story over LOTR, it lacks the whole "good vs evil" army shit and is an interesting adventure of fantasy
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:55 No. 11735
>>11733 There both fun reads I find. But I do prefer the Lord of the Rings as I writing and world building to be better.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:56 No. 11744
>>11675 Maybe dwarves. Their society somewhat resembles Juche (Longbeard dynasty look like Kim dynasty). Industrial cooperatives, single working-class mostly, brotherhood and not so racist to other races (except orcs and goblins).
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:56 No. 11745
>>11744 (me)
Well one anon already said that
>>1196 Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:57 No. 11751
the amazon series is going to suck ass
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:57 No. 11756
>>11751 Isn't it supposed take place in the 2nd age? If so that's about 3 and half millennia time period to cover.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:57 No. 11757
>>11619 >Racism Supposedly Tolkien stated that one of his regrets was that he didn't give the Orcs much sympathy and that they were treated like slaves that often didn't get a choice rather being evil.
I've always found some of the most interesting parts of the Lord of the Rings is when the orcs get to talk and share some of their thoughts, like when merry and Pippen are overhearing the three different groups of orcs bickering (Urak-hai from Isengard, Black Uruks from mordor and the smaller orcs from the Mines of Moria), when Sam overhears Gorebag and Shagrat, or in gorgoroth when Sam and frodo overhear the large soldier and the tracker…. It makes the orcs more than mindless drones and I think it would have been cool to hear a lot more of that and for them to be "humanized" a bit more… Like when Gorbag refers to frodo being left for dead as a "typical elf trick", it implies they have a morality that looks down upon leaving a wounded comrade
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:58 No. 11761
If you're after a scholarly defense of Tolkien from the progressive/left I really love this book from Patrick Curry.
>>11757 yes was thinking the same thing recently, when going back over the part where they are talking about Shelob. Those orcs are not mere animals, but are fully fleshed people with thoughts and feelings
I'm a huge tolkien nerd, but it's one of the faults with the legendarium that he didn't really give as much depth of thought to the Orcs.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:58 No. 11762
>>11761 Honestly Orcs are quite well expanded upon in World of Warcraft, as I've stated before in the Fantasy thread.
Something I've read in a rather amusing crossover fanfic of Middle Earth and Naruto by Neon Zangetsu expands on this a bit by having Orc mentalities explained by a rule of strength and by instinct due to how harsh their lives are in general, there is no time to be picky about what you eat or asking questions before attacking because it could cost them their lives.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:58 No. 11765
>>11763 >>11751 Wait there actually IS a Netflix series?! I thought that was just a joke!
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:58 No. 11766
Gimli destroys the ring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUrJdsN_-B0 I wish this happened TBH
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:58 No. 11767
>>11765 >Netflix you mean Amazon
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:59 No. 11768
>>11763 >sex and tiddies The weirdest Tolkien ever got with sex is the Túrin Turambar having incestuous relationship with his sister Nienor Níniel, neither of which were aware of. And upon finding out both ended their lives.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:59 No. 11770
>>11768 The last part is honestly unreasonable, TBH.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:59 No. 11771
>>11763 Can't wait for the gay sex between Frodo and Sam and the accusations of homophobia if you don't think they were gay all along.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:59 No. 11775
>>11774 I did post about that, though thanks for the complete quote m8.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:03 No. 11793
>>11792 Ironically they still have NO General Rules or Board rules put up despite someone already creating some basic rules for /hobby/ for the mods to put up and recently rules for the site
>>>/gulag/7986 Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:04 No. 11794
I always wondered what Smaug would do if he had the One Ring.
Gandalf states:
“the dragon, Sauron might use with terrible effects" -
The Lord of the Rings - Appendices (Durin’s Folk)
https://archive.is/a5K1z Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:04 No. 11797
>>11792 OP here I'd spoiled it my self.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:07 No. 11815
>>11762 >Something I've read in a rather amusing crossover fanfic of Middle Earth and Naruto by Neon Zangetsu expands on this a bit by having Orc mentalities explained by a rule of strength and by instinct due to how harsh their lives are in general, there is no time to be picky about what you eat or asking questions before attacking because it could cost them their lives. That actually makes a lot of sense. Much better than it just being their nature.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:19 No. 11921
Sauron's view on Gandalf and the rest of the Istari.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:00:04 No. 12263
I find it somewhat amusing that this thread is just solemn discussion rather than the typical LOTR meme-posting that used to be done.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:00:14 No. 12358
>>11794 he'd just get more gold
dragons are fiending for that gold high
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:00:14 No. 12359
A liberal homosexual feminist Protestant was teaching a class on George R.R. Martin, known hack
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:00:15 No. 12362
>>12359 Top tier shitpost copy-pasta
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:00:50 No. 12657
>>19218
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:00:55 No. 12682
>>12083 The Valars were pieces of shit. If they were more proactive nothing of this shit would've happened.
If they cared about humans as much as they cared about Elves, the humans wouldn't be fully exposed to the wiles of Morgoth, convincing them that the world is ruled by a cruel god.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:00:57 No. 12697
>>12682 Pretty sure that the Valar, as spirits with Iluvatar wrote the entire history of Middle Earth in song and the parts sang by Melkor became all the suffering and death and chaos he and Sauron would bring. In light of that there arguably wasn’t anything the Valar could do as it was all predetermined anyway. Plus Morgpth encountered the elves and men before the other Valar had, hence how he corrupted some each time.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:01:24 No. 12861
>>12682 To be fair, the Valar were probably freaked out about killing large numbers of "fragile" men in the upheaval. They didn't have to worry about that when they went to drag Morgoth out of Utumno since neither elves or men were born yet.
Phoneposter 2021-08-02 (Mon) 16:11:19 No. 18673
>>11733 Agree. Bilbo is a badass. I liked the movies by Peter Jackson too. Maybe that makes me a brainlet.
Anonymous 2021-08-02 (Mon) 20:05:32 No. 18680
>>18673 It 100% does, but we can still be friends.
Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 00:01:16 No. 19008
>>19004 You do realize that the animated Tolkien productions of the past were also animated in Japan right?
Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 01:11:27 No. 19009
>>19008 Yeah but they weren't "anime". I'll give this a shot but if it's going to be done in a modern meme anime style I'm probably not going to be super into it.
Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 01:22:00 No. 19010
>>19009 >they weren't "anime". If it's animated on the same level as GiTS I think that'll be fine, and besides they're calling it anime because it attracts the weebs.
Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 02:47:39 No. 19012
>>19011 >obviously fake Haha indeed
Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 22:49:39 No. 19031
>>19010 Yeah that would be cool. My concern is that it just looks like every generic anime made today.
I actually wouldn't mind a 2D animated movie that looks like a smoother version of the old Rankin-Bass movies, where it has that kind of weird, old-school fairy tale look, but they don't really make them like that anymore.
Anonymous 2021-08-13 (Fri) 00:01:57 No. 19032
>>19031 >it just looks like every generic anime Wait, have they released concept art/trailers?
>a 2D animated movie that looks like a smoother version of the old Rankin-Bass movies Yeah that's not happening. I knew a dude on DA who was part of a reboot for Flight of Dragons but it got cancelled with only some refurbished concept art he had posted on his account left.
Anonymous 2021-08-13 (Fri) 01:52:47 No. 19040
>>19032 Nothing released yet, it's just what I'm worried about
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 21:45:33 No. 19352
>>19032 >>19040 So what's the sitch?
Anonymous 2021-09-04 (Sat) 17:54:29 No. 19449
>>11770 I agree. It's pretty gross, but it's not like they were aware of what was happening. They seem awfully quick to assume culpability for something that wasn't their fault and didn't harm anyone.
Anonymous 2021-09-04 (Sat) 17:56:03 No. 19450
>>12682 >The Valars were pieces of shit. Agree.
Anonymous 2021-09-05 (Sun) 05:31:56 No. 19453
Tolkein supported Franco during the Spanish Civil War. He is literally a christcuck fascist. This thread is cringe.
Anonymous 2021-09-05 (Sun) 14:30:46 No. 19457
>>19453 Proofs?
Also
>muh Christianzzzzz You sound very asshurt. Cope harder
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