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 No.1516[View All]

What is your favorite Soviet tank?

mine is the t80
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 No.14048

1k17 Szhatsie

A self propelled laser tank

 No.14049

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>>14048
>Soviet was IG irl
everything makes sense now

 No.14051

>>14048
from wikipedia:
>[The laser beam] was created by focusing light through 30 kg of artificial rubies

COMMUNIST
SITH
LASER
TANK

 No.14401

>>1526
>The modernized versions are as powerful as the T-62 or early T-72
This is false, modernized T-55s don't have composite armor.

 No.14417

>>14401
Wait really? I though both Belarusian and Ukrainian T-55 modernized variants have both reactive and composite armor?

 No.19339

>>14401
>>14417
The T-55 and T-62 don't have their own composite armor, that would fundamentally require rebuilding the tank. They do however have composite armor added on (especially on the turret front) and do have extensive reactive armor bricks.

 No.19769

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The reason the self-propelled artillery Bishop tank is trash
>literally a shitty KV-2 ripoff.

 No.19770

Are americans tanks generally better than soviets, or have i been duped by imperialistic propaganda?

 No.19773

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>>19770
You've been duped. Until the M1A1 Abrams American tanks had inferior armor, guns and shells compared to the Soviets and internal electronics also were no better until the Abrams. The T-72B and T-80U both are equivalent to the 1980s M1A1 and are superior to prior Abrams versions in almost all aspects.

The first soviet Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot ammunition was made in early 1960s and put on the T-62. The first US APFSDS is from 1979 nearly 20 years late.

The T-64 sported composite armour as the first non experimental tank in the world in 1963 making it basically immune to HEAT ammo of the time which was the standard AT ammo for NATO tanks until the 1980s. The T-64B was able to fire anti tank missiles through it barrel, an idea originating from the 1960s experiments during the rocket/missile craze. The US fielded the M-551 Sheridan at around the same time, however its missile system was very glitchy and it didn't fire regular rounds all too well.

The M60A2 was another attempt at this, however the results were the same. This also plagued the joint US-German MBT-70 program. The US finally made it when they produced a120mm gun-missiles system for the M1A2 abrams, however they cancelled the program along with their autoloader experiments in 2012. There was renewed interest in 2015, but it is unlikely to go anywhere judging how the past several projects have gone.

The Israeli's in the meanwhile created the LAHAT system… decades later. The Soviets also pioneered Reactive armour, Active Protection Systems, Autoloaders and more. The T-55 from 1961 and every tank made after it in the Soviet Union featured two plane gun stabilization and CBRN defense, in the US the CBRN was first used on the M1A1 in 1985 and two plane gun stabilization on the M60A1 AOS in the 1970s. The Soviets were also the first to create a gas-turbine engine in the T-80. This was also implemented on the M1 Abrams, but far later.

TL;DR: Russian Bias is real

 No.19790

>>19773
Interesting stuff, you're clearly very knowledgeable on this subject.

I got this impression while browsing r/NonCredibleDefense, and seeing people talking about how poor the T-72 performed against M1A1's in the Gulf War (though that may have come down to the pilot's performance), and noticing how the Abrams – seemingly – looked more modern and better equipped.

 No.19791

>>19790
Yeah reddit is anti-soviet by default, the T-72 performance in the Gulf War is a literal propaganda manipulation. Give me a moment I'll post some stuff on that specific matter.

 No.19793

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>>19790
Video Embed related details on the majority of Iraqi "T-72s" that the Abrams faced. Blacktail isn't infallible but this video is pretty fair.

The Majority of capable tanks got taken out by aviation doing bombing strikes on the Highway of Death uncaringly killing military and civilian forces. The USA also dumped Anxiogenic chemicals - essentially psychedelic drugs that permanently fuck you up - all over the Iraqi Republic forces, lacking defense against this chemical attack.

The Iraqi tanks lost so quickly because they employed their tanks in a hull down static position, depriving them of their mobility which is exactly what you don't wanna do with modern MBTs, and just kept pouring more and more of the elite guard into the breach created by Desert Storm, effectively running into the fire instead of cutting them off like any sane post-WW2 general would do.

The idea of buried hull down wouldn't have been bad if they had organized it properly. they positioned them at the bottom of high places and were completely lax in manning their tanks. i remember reading about a m-2 Bradley driving right up to the tanks before they noticed, in DAYLIGHT. Sights or no sights, a lack of discipline makes ANY tactic worthless. Ironically the most effective tanks used by the Iraqis were the chinese knock-off T-62s, the type-69s that caused a lot of problems. Also T-72s were the go-to tank used by coalition forces that weren't the USA or Saudia Arabia and performed just as well.

The contemporary M-60A3s used by the Iranians were shredded by Saddam's T-72s in the previous conflict, which ironically contributed to their failure in The Gulf War, their barrels were worn out because the 2A62 cannon used by the export T-72s lacked both velocity and barrel life, which further reduced their power by the time the USA faced them. The Gulf War was the true debut of the Abrams, while the T-72s of the Iraqis were war-weary and crewed largely by glorified boy-scouts who had succeeded the recently retired veterans of the iran-iraq war. Even then the USA stalled for time until the M1A1s could be sent over, because the original M1 was too vulnerable.

In his book Inside the Great Tanks, military writer Hans Halberstadt quotes Marc Sehring of the Patton Tank Museum, Fort Knox, Kentucky, “If the crews were equally well-trained (and that's really the key ingredient) the T-72 would probably have been the winner.” Remember, the T-72 was developed in the early 1970s while its main American rival in the Gulf War, the M1, was a whole new generation ahead of it. Add to that, that the Iraqi T 72s were stripped down, lacking some of its basic components such as the modern passive IR sights, an older autoloader and firing steel core penetrators decommissioned from soviet stockpiles in 1969 (the Gulf war was 1991) not to mention the fact that it used the non ATGM compatible 2A26 gun rather than the 2A46. These guns in turn had worn out their barrel life, in the Iraq-Iran war prior to that. In the 1982 Lebanon war, various types of Syrian T 72s faced the Merkava I, M48/M60 (equipped with Blazer ERA) and Centurion tanks, all its contemporaries. T 72 losses were miniscule with the IAF tanks getting destroyed at ranges beyond their own guns and failing to penetrate the Syrian tanks at all until the M111 sabot was put into service, and even then at ranges well within the T 72’s range fire. The only T 72s lost were from hits by TOW missiles at close ranges and 1 by tank fire from the side and that tank was only disabled and then sabotaged by its crew. The only genuine Syrian losses from tank-tank battle was their aging T 62s and T 55s.
Article on the reasons the "T-72" 'failed' in Iraq: https://archive.ph/MsU0H

An excellent article (P1) on every single variant of the T-72 and its abilities: https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/t-72-soviet-progeny.html

If you like this thread I also suggest
>>1505
>>2906
>>1441

 No.19796

Hmm, I haven't really researched them that much but my favourites are
T-55
T-28
BT-5
T-26
KV-1
I'm more into german tanks admittedly, the Panzer I's and II's are my favourite tanks

 No.19802

>>19793
Thanks a ton for the info. I should probably compile these posts into a single image and upload them into the booru (or anyone else can be my guest to do so).

I've also seen the other threads, I even archived the WW2 one. Pretty good stuff.

 No.19803

>>19802
Yeah I made them a long time ago and people sporadically use them, Screencap if you'd like but my posts are sort of mid-tier effort posts.

 No.20081

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 No.20083

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>IS-7 In RL: Most OP tank at that time.
<IS-7 in WT and WoT: Ammo rack go BOOM!
Honestly this tank is insane.

 No.20084

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>>1516
this tonk

 No.20085

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by the way, anyone playing this ?

 No.20086

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>Underwater tank
<Recoilless Rifle armament and Jetfighter disposable canopy
Fucking rad as hell.
Mechanix Illustrated, December 1950 https://archive.is/qv8xJ

There's a comment on the video that his 1/2 right the following is correct
>Tanks with deep wading kits frequently get stuck in the mud, even 'just' crossing rivers, or stall their engines, or find that they can't climb the bank on the other side. Western tanks have wide snorkel 'towers' so that the commander can stand in the top and guide the driver via intercom, and so that the crew can escape up the tower if the tank gets stuck. The disadvantage of these systems is that they're too big to carry on the tank in normal usage, so tanks wanting to cross a river would have to wait for the snorkels to be brought up on trucks.
>In practical terms, any safe, submerged crossing of a river by tanks requires prep time, support equipment and recce of entry/exit points, so it WILL slow down the tank's progress whatever method is used, often to the point where it's just easier, safer and almost as not-quick to wait for some kind of bridging gear to arrive and be setup.

The incorrect part is about the USSR
>Soviet tanks use a small diameter snorkel tube which can be carried on the tank all the time.
This is only for engines and rivers that are either not higher than the turret or are only barely deeper so that opening the hatches to escape is not an issue. For deep riviers larger turret mounted tubes ar used that can fit people in the same manner as Western tanks (and got used earlier for that matter)
>Russian crews have been known to point-blank refuse to use their snorkels, despite the dire consequences of refusing orders in the Soviet Army.
The dire consequences are the same as any army, getting put in isolation for a couple days or if severe enough a court martial. I found no confirmed examples of Russian/Soviet crews refusing to snorkel and moreover all Soviet tankers from the T-54 onward were taught in actual scenarios how to escapee a tank stalled underwater - put on the standard IP-5 gasmasks (or any other mask there) and unseal the tank to flood it. After sufficient flooding the hatches are opened and you swim to the surface. The IP-5 and 7 are not SCUBA gear (as evident in the Australian Human Depth Charge incident >>12819 ) but suffice for such shallow escape operations.
>Standard practice therefore became to attach a snorkeling Russian tank to the winches of two armored recovery vehicles, one on each bank, so that if the tank got stuck or stalled it's engine
This is standard practice in most militaries that are not in the middle of actual war. In actual combat this precaution will not occur.
A Soviet documentary about operations if stalled underwater: https://vk.com/video140105318_456239017
Моснаучфильм "Преодоление Водных Преград Танками По Дну Реки" (can only be found on non-google browsers.
As for tubes that fit people, in Russia they are called труба-лаз, meaning 'crawl tube' and tank forces are all taught to use them in facilities before actual attempts: https://archive.ph/vklKa

Most of the Soviet comment on small tubes and lines holding the tank to be retrieved is probably referring to stuff like video related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbYxXFnobI4&ab_channel=GalileoRU which is a Russian vlogger doing a video on tanks going into the water and standard protocol and operations. This isn't the same as actual training or combat use.

The USSR also had advanced pontoon bridges and pontoons mountable universally on its medium and MBT tanks, that let a single float over deep rivers, but that's a different topic.

 No.20087

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Someone sauce me the music from mp4 related, since /music/ seems unused as AF.

 No.20088

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>>20085
Not me, maybe someone on /games/ is tho. Looks cool.

>>20084
>KV-2
Based

 No.20205

>>1705
T-72s looked so dope

 No.20213

>>20086
Honestly the more I think about this tank the more I like it, it's screams "Space Age"

 No.20214

>>20205
Yeah, iconic tanks with probably some of the best designs in history.

 No.20269


 No.20435

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I don't agree on all his videos but this is hilarious. The Pz.68 is a joke of a tank that looks good on paper.

 No.20503

Embedding error.
BlackTail is gonna get a kick outta this.
These guys didn't even TRY to use video material that matched the subject matter as it is being said only doing it accidentally maybe 2 or 3x. Instead of posting BMPs as they're talking about it, they post them a minute later at random, during the description of the Bradley (for example.
1:58 Outright incorrect given that the M113 has and continues to be used (as demonstrated in BlackTailDefence's videos).
2:16 that's literally a Russian vehicle, that's their symbol on the side and it's definitely their armor and track design.
2:44 is literally T-90 /T-72s randomly posted
5:05 is just a random sci-fi tank, no autocannon in sight.
8:21 random T-72 again
8:33-36 - stryker brigades are a joke and the photo of them holding the flag upside down is a fucking hoot
8:45 Only ones involving Russia… LMAO they're not even trying to hide their militaristic antagonism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupi8qjBgGg&ab_channel=USMilitary

See 6:40 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu_QrZfFGT8&ab_channel=Blacktail

 No.20505

The Yoh Tank series

 No.20524

Looking at the Kurganets-25, Bumerang and T-15 I can't stop facepalming. It's just imitating NATO constructions to absolutely no fucking point. They're too goddamn heavy, too goddamn tall, rely on pure engine HP for mobility and have absolutely no point except to be bad money making schemes. The BMP-3M is a better, cheaper and far more useful alternative compard to these hulks of slabsided metal. Fucking hell.

 No.21029

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I made this t-55 AM

 No.21034

>>21029
Nice anon

 No.21036

>>1516 my favourite soveit tank is the T-55 AM variant

 No.21038

>>20505
TL:DW?

I want war theory to win but I want to learn fast

 No.21040

Should I do alunya riding t-55 into wallstreet and scaring the bourgeoisie

 No.21041

>>21038
It's a fast video and I can't really explain something that relies on images - simply put they're rather unique designs.

 No.21042

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>>21040
YES As per /draw/

>>21036
T-55AM is pretty dope.

 No.21044

>>21040
you should draw every dumb idea that crosses your mind,regardless of how bad it end up.

 No.21046

>>21042
Pretty accurate way of showing how imperialism affect people because if these American soldiers knew that they were killing the innocent people they would stop. because their ideological opinion would be destroyed and the truth would flourish and eventually mutiny Revolution etc.

 No.21047

The only way to stop us imperialism is to decorate military equipment with cute and attractive things then they will realise what they're actually doing and will stop killing people and will instead kill their own generals kill their own commanders and start a revolution maybe even a socialist revolution : )

 No.21049


 No.21148

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https://old.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/q2rez1/in_other_news_war_thunder_had_another_scandal/
LMAO if anyone can access these files that got posted find them and save them. This is hilarious.

 No.21149

>>21148
Could we have a thread for equipment leaks in /k/? :0

 No.21150

>>21149
You mean /roulette/ K or the current /hobby/ thread?

 No.22055

>>1516
Post this on AKM because it's military related also there is a military vehicle thread on AKM

 No.22077

>>22055
This thread has existed since before Bunkerchan became a .net service, let alone before it becoming leftypol.org, /tech/ needs to do some coding shit to transfer the thread.

 No.22722

Embedding error.
>>1516
>the t80

 No.23268

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>>2304
not really a tank but the Kharkovchanka cruiser is based as fuck

 No.36356

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>>1516
One of these three
IS-2
T-62
T-35 (just because its so much of a monstrosity it’s kind of grown on me)

 No.39158

>>13244
>Tank doesnt do well in urban combat


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