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>>19036
>>19036
>Spider-Man under Ditko was basically a school shooter in the making.
you like what did spider man become

>>19045
Ditko was just weird. Like an ultra cucked wageslave who thought that all successful people deserved it and he himself was just cog that should follow everything. Every dialogue he scripted exuded a sense of anger and frustration at people for falling out of line.
Served him right for ending his life being penniless, fucked over by a figure straight out of any Randian villains - Stan Lee.

>>18946
idk, maybe I’m just too critical, but it has the tropes of propaganda movies funded by the military just more subtle. military guy who does the right thing, government officials doing the right thing to stop the bad egg. hell, they even have military vehicles which is often a sign that their script has been approved by the yank military. Sounds schizo, but The credits in the end reveal the funding, and although it’s not directly the us military, they work in close cooperation with the military and imperialist factions. even in the post credit scene, the bad egg is still there, the rebelling good egg feds put the nationalist in charge. Honestly, it seems like a more subtle fuck you propaganda, the state will get away with everything.

>>19049
damn never heard something like that about Ditko
everybody paints him out to be a mistreated guy who created many characters on DC and Marvel

>>19358
I haven't watched the movie yet but I also have a suspicion about something like that
The trailers showed off a cuba like south american country setting where the fights take place. And since you saw the movie, is there anything like that?

>>19360
Yeah, bay of pigs invasion basically except w the suicide squad

>>19361
yes not very subtle
i watched and i enjoyed it

the visuals was the highlight of the movie but the ending was sad
i was feeling this movie was both siding it and it kinda did that but when peter cappaldi's character started talking it didn't feel like that
the hypest moment was actually when the workers beat the shit out of their boss amanda walKKKer
basically i'm trying to say is that The Suicide Squad (2021) is actually a socdem pro workplace democracy worker co-op movie.

I feel bad for starro :(

Shark man was good but his voice acting was boring as fuck, stop hiring people like stallone just for their big name man
James Gunn really felt formulaic with his GoTG tropes in this

Rats were the heart and the soul of this movie. I got so mad at seeing Taika Waitti when he cameo'd but the last line he spoke really was the sweetest.

Also what the fuck was weasel? He lived but what he's going to do now? Fuck them keeping peacemaker alive in the end credits. He was boring

I clapped when he said this in the theatres. Peacemaker? more like Comrademaker! Ha

Interesting analysis of Invincible and it's mold breaking

I didn't much like this version of Spiderman's art style but as aa show it was good. Tombstone is a pretty good Mafia boss villain and frankly, like batman, Spiderman thrives as a street vigilante facing off thugs, mafioso and self-made villains rather than some retardedly overpowered conflict on the tier of the avengers. .

>>19363
>John Cena Taiwan apology video
Yeah he definitely chose his character intentionally to be a bad guy American Exceptionalist, this is hilarious.

I was browsing the 'net and momentarily read some stuff about a rather obscure DC character - Plastic Man - and their sheer OPness. https://archive.md/oWlSZ (an overview of his insanity).
One of the interesting aspects is that they didn't start off that OP at all. Someone really pointed out this problem.
>This is another example of making the weakest and most useless characters “heroes”. Plastic Man was made as a joke. Now, he is the most powerful being in the universe with unlimited power, somehow, which they wont explain. They did the same to Flash, Aquaman, Hawkeye, Green Arrow, etc. People with no real power have been given so much power and importance, but no reasonable explanation as to why. Why isn’t Reed Richards just as “powerful” as Plastic Man? They have the exact same ability, yet one is god-like while the other has normal limits to a stretching and morphing power. How is Plastic Man immune to fire? How does he have massive super-strength? How does he have massive invulnerability? How is he immortal? How is he, basically, now a god? The Flash…his power being that he can run fast.. now, a god.
https://archive.md/kn1Uq

Indeed characters are so overpowered that no thought is put into how another (god-like) character can actually hurt or beat them, they just can just because. So IMO, for capeshit to stop being so completely dumb and world-breaking you have start over and us nerfed characters. An example of this done right is Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes - NONE of the superheroes is OP and this forces them to be clever, to have stakes and limitations. This is the reason the past decade of Marvel live-action movies (like Iron Man) had strong beginnings - they had limitations. This is the reason Spiderman and Batman comics had been so cool bac in the day too.

>>13010
Best post I've seen on this board in a long time I salute you!

>>20953
Thanks m8, I try.

>>13010
It's really fucked up that the bad guy in Black Panther is the closest thing to a black panther party member there is. It's propaganda on a really vicious level when you realize the movie was marketed essentially to afro americans.

>>10165
Yes it's still capeshit even if it's "deconstructing" the genre.

The real question: is picrel capeshit?
>plays up superpowers
>downplays politics and character

>>13003
>Also Reminder the star of Wonder Woman is a literal rape enabler and served in the IDF.
Didn't hear about the rape part, but in addition to this Gal Gadot is also a Zionist. During the recent events between Israel/Palestine she tweeted some pretty fucked up shit about muh poor Israelis trying to be a centrist but betraying her real loyalties.

>>13010
>wonder woman plot summary
Ironically it could have been actually subversive and decent if all along it turned out Ares wasn't involved and Steve was right when he told Diana that wars happen for more complicated reasons than "god did it" and she really was just a sheltered kid. The fact that it takes a hard U-turn away from this in the finale adds another layer of fucked up propaganda to it, because it's also indulging childish fantasies that the world is simple black and white. The fact that the existence of nuance and material forces is brought up only to be discarded sends the message that you shouldn't question the simplistic, childish narratives.

> The original Avatar: The Last Airbender lacking for diversity
White people literally do not exist in the setting except that they retroactively made Aang look kind of white as an old man and made Tenzin look kind of white in the sequel series. Everyone is variations of Asian, middle eastern, indigenous American, etc.

>It is the mission to induce in blacks and gays and women the same brainwashing white males received where they deludedly saw the wealth and power of bourgeois whites as their own thus validating their position in society.
Very astute.

>“Dear White People”
The whole premise of this one requires a fundamental misunderstanding of racism. "Racism? In an Ivy League school? But these were supposed to be the Best Whites!" As if it's not the elites who push racism on people.
And then the actual story is house uyghas bitching that the house isn't as comfy as they'd like it to be.

>>20957
>White people literally do not exist in the setting except that they retroactively made Aang look kind of white as an old man and made Tenzin look kind of white in the sequel series. Everyone is variations of Asian, middle eastern, indigenous American, etc.
IMO the character designs are ambiguously pale-skinned (mostly) so they are easily placed as any Asian, or European or Native American ethnicity. Moreover my point had been that Korra specifically emphasized this, as if it's version is better.
>Ironically it could have been actually subversive and decent if all along it turned out Ares wasn't involved and Steve was right when he told Diana that wars happen for more complicated reasons
YES, literally my first thought. Ares being the reason for the war and Man's constant repetition of it, is a plothole too, since the conflicts coming after… also had been from men, and not Ares.
>Didn't hear about the rape part
Yeah it's not a popular subject in media for obvious reasons. And yeah her being a Zionist makes sense given the IDF allegiance.

>“Dear White People”
Yeah, honestly most people I meet that go or did go to Harvard, MIT, Stanford, etc. are extremely shallow and pretentious in their conception of things. They memorized some things told to them as "facts" and refused to think for themselves or analyze (thus the 100 gorillion myth staying alive).

>>20956
I don't think it's capeshit, but it does have clear capeshit influence.

>>20956
I think that the Dune Miniseries was better than this new movie. Besides the books are always better than any adaptation.

>>20959
>IMO the character designs are ambiguously pale-skinned (mostly) so they are easily placed as any Asian, or European or Native American ethnicity
To be fair most cartoons portray the "native" ethnicity as the most generic and cartoony with "foreign" phenotypes being emphasized. Western animation is more likely to give Asians squinty eyes and Asian animation is more likely to give westerners pointy noses and shit. Avatar does a decent job of not emphasizing any particular phenotypic traits, making nobody look particularly "foreign." IDK if this is deliberate, but it works. It's a lot better than making any particular group look more generic and "native."
> Moreover my point had been that Korra specifically emphasized this, as if it's version is better.
Yeah about that I was just adding the wrinkle that Avatar was always diverse so this was dumb and obnoxious for them to do. They already did a much better job with Katara's characterization in comparison to Korra so it's even more cringe how they made a big deal about this.

>>20957
> The whole premise of this one requires a fundamental misunderstanding of racism. "Racism? In an Ivy League school? But these were supposed to be the Best Whites!" As if it's not the elites who push racism on people.
And then the actual story is house uyghas bitching that the house isn't as comfy as they'd like it to be.
Man
Dear White People has to be one of the most unlikable shows I’ve ever seen
If it was about how upper class woketards are actually monstrous scum it’d be one thing, and this worldview is so unsympathetic that the main characters actually do come off as reprehensible assholes, but I think we’re actually supposed to get where they’re coming from?
All I could ever think is how these faggots whine about oppression but couldn’t even relate to the average middle class person, let alone someone that’s actually poor

Black Panther was good until the villain died.

I already hate Spiderman No Way Home

I don't give a fuck about companies, I just like my spiderman being and interacting with other supes

And the title of this movie, The plot about making people forget about spider-man, along with the multiverse shit, The fact that this was the last movie that Tom Holland is contractually obligated to be spiderman in is all pointing towards them removing our spider lad from the MCU and I DON'T FUCKING LIKE IT

He's the only hero I care about in the MCU, I grew up with Toby and I watched the Andrew one too but I'M FUCKING SICK OF, one shot comic superhero movies
It's just desolate and boring, I want my boy learning and playing off other supes character's

I will destroy Disney and Sony if they take out spider-man by being twats and using this third spider-man movie as an in-universe explanation why spider-man is not in the MCU anymore

I will curse all the execs using my witch gf's magic
Fuck your copyrights and profits.

>>21077
It's just an excuse to do a Live Action Into the Spiderverse TBH

I watched the black widow movie when it came out with a few of my friends and it dawned on me while viewing this film on how much propaganda gets snuck by in these movies. I haven't watched a capeshit movie since the original iron man so it came as a surprise to me on how a modern film is still pushing cold war propaganda.
The main villain of the film is an evil gommie that somehow is behind every war crime that governments around the world have committed. This is fucking egregious and as I looked around the theater while this scene played out, I saw my fellow audience not even absorb what's being said. They just took this shit at face value without a second thought. All the rape and murder perpetuated by the US was actually by the evil gommie.
I tried asking my friends what they thought about it after we left the theater and they said they saw nothing wrong with the movie. Nobody really cared. It was just more schlock to them. To think films like this get shown to millions if not a billion people makes me feel something horrible inside. Why did things have to turn out like this.

>>21648
>The main villain of the film is an evil gommie that somehow is behind every war crime that governments around the world have committed.
I was gonna say that this is dumb even for capeshit but the Thanos movie is about a purple scrotum with a malthusian plan to kill half of all life in the universe - all life not all people, so half the crops too……

>>20979
>If it was about how upper class woketards are actually monstrous scum it’d be one thing, and this worldview is so unsympathetic that the main characters actually do come off as reprehensible assholes, but I think we’re actually supposed to get where they’re coming from?
I watched a couple episodes of the TV series but I haven't seen the movie it's based on. I've heard the movie is what you're describing where the characters are the butt of the joke and the audience is supposed to be in on it. The show plays it 100% straight though. But then again Netflix makes shit like this.

>>21650
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>>21651
Netflix not even once. Seriously how did shit like this and their slew of badly written dramas even get pass test screening? Do they even have test screenings at all?

you ever think how funny these legal discussions and proceedings for this movies are?

like hwo do they decide what chaaracter is a spider man property lol?

some lawyer goes to a judge and says "my honor punisher may have appeared in the spider man issues #69 but he also appeared in archie comics but that don't make him their property"

>>21649
>>21648
i agree about the capitalist propaganda in the movie but i'm absolutely sure that the bad guy in black widow is not a commie, more of an anti-russian 2016 lib brain villain here

the only commie is potrayed as a fool for laughs, the fat guy from stranger things

>>21753
Probably because of one or both of these (haven't seen the movie and won't):
<they don't understand communism enough to portray communist ideology other than to just label someone a commie
<they don't want to actually portray communist ideology because it scares them

>>21754
definitely the latter
they always portray any actual change as the bad guy's agenda

black panther, the winter soldier show
it's by far the most annoying thing about it

even in the what if episodes they prop in some anti-soviet rhetoric

LIBERALISM RUINS ANOTHER MOVIE

fuck tobey, worst spiderman
tom holland was going to be the most based one for killing goblin for killing aunt may and his pussy ass stops him

FUCKING HATE IT

THE WHAT IF SHOWS ARE CANON
BRUH

IT'S INSANE
THEY MADE ULTRON THANOS CANON

https://youtu.be/QKRSsgaWq-U?list=TLPQMjUxMjIwMjGuE8MUUl6suQ

these rules they have to follow is depressing tbh fam

i get why some actors don't want to work in these superhereo movies

Capital will expunge you dry

I watched deadpool recently, after seeing how all the reviews are positive and I didn't watch a marvel movie since iron man 1 or whatever.

It was garbage, utter garbage and i hate it. People have shit taste

>>22066
watch super

>>22067
this is that edgy rain wilson movie right
god it was depressing and happy and sad from what i heard about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqXwlkBjpA
what the fuck was this fight scene

it's just so stupid that i still can't forget it

why does wilson fisk fight like an overgrown toddler

Most of the MCU has terrible fight scenes. Fuck their most “complex” fight scene was the elevator scene and that was something billions of other martial art movies did better.
The rest are lazy as fuck. Disney just really can’t give a shit about fights without CGI.

>>22155
I literally can't think of any fight scene of the top of my head
Like cap throws his shield on ultron, weird Fisk baby, brutal punisher Russian, iron man vs Thor vs cap in 2012 avengers

>>22125
Besides flailing his arms like an idiot, which might just be part of the character (?), these punches are so obviously and inelegantly pulled it's almost like watching children put on a pretend fight for a home video. Sometimes the camera framing is such that you can actually clearly see the punch get whiffed for yourself without even an attempt at hiding it which, how the fuck did that happen and how did it not get edited out, but even outside of that half the punches feels like the gentlest of tickles, slow and careful and delicate.

How is every comment talking about how badass and hardcore and brutal this fight scene is?

>>22155
Know what has good fight scenes?
Stat Wars

>>22160
It's so funny
I don't think that was their intention lol

Big fat baby bullying Sigma Punisher

>>22160
How do you not show the pulled punches on camera btw?
Like is there an editing trick or camera trick to do

>>22169
other than actually hitting people a common one is to cut on the hit or slightly before it so that the change in angle makes it look like it connected
most common thing is to use forced perspective to make them look like they're closer than they are

>>22169
using dolls

I was wondering if proliferation of MCU is a symptom of post-2008 world? I recall Zizek 's take on disaster movies being the trend in the 90s. Can similar analysis be made for current phase of Capeshit? Martin Scorsese and other film directors find it bad, especially the business side of things Martin later elaborated after his controversial statement of them being theme park ride (which is still being used to elicit reaction as evident with latest remark by Tom Holland)?

Cape crusader movies have been there since the 70s (40s, in the live action scene, if one counts the Superman tv serial). Baring the many failed ones, we had Superman series in 70s-80s, Batman in 80s-90s, Spider-man trilogy and Nolan's Batman trilogy in 2000s. But none of them managed to built up this planned and phased cinematic universe thing with an ensemble cast over more than 20 movies of individual characters and crossovers. Phase 1's culmination with the first Avengers movie in 2012, IIRC, was the biggest draw of mainstream (aka normie) crowd toward these movies besides Iron Man in 2008 (I never see many remembering the first Thor movie or Hulk movie starring Edward Norton, for instance). I recall memes saying how till that point comic book movies were considered too nerdy and after the Avengers many started to pretend to be fans of such movies. It had competed with the most anticipated The Dark Knight Rises and had managed to beat it at the box office. On a related note, Nolan's trilogy was draped in Neocon ideology. I think it kinda set the tone of DC vs Marvel movies for a decade to come, though one can argue WB's poor planning on their part and lackluster movies that failed to take its DCEU to MCU's level. 6 years later after the first Avengers, we had Avengers Infinity War-Endgame which went on to become big pop-cultural phenomenon, and the Malthusian themes of those movies at a time when overpopulation is the talking point, doesn't seem like t a coincidence. Had it been released in an era this is not this, would it been that big? Can success of MCU be considered a symptom of a society that is post-2008 feeling hopeless and edging on full-blown fascism circa 2012?

I would like to know your views.