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Previous thread: >>1946727

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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Why was there no Prussian blue staining on the walls?

What makes a revolution a neccesity?

Why are the japanese good at nostalgia?

>>2237203
Think the rough argument is those that hold the power aren't stupid enough to be boiled like a frog.
The history of Latin America and the Middle East rife with this over even relatively minor things.
Given this with imperialist support, but you still need some local group to support for that to work.

>>2237344
Because the 80s was the only time Japan was good.

why are there so many obvious right wing people here
why does leftypol welcome so many rightypol ideas

this is the most right wing leftist space i have ever seen, and id say about 50% of this board is entirely far-right, and another 25% is strictly "centrist" with MAYBE 25% being even slightly to the left of center

…are yall actually leftists or is this yet another image board that exists purely as a psyop to move people into the nazi party?


>>2237853
Because 4chan shut down, we're getting a lot of refugees from there

what is happening in Kashmir? Hear that it is India's own Palestine

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>>2237853
its a psyop to make nazis liberal

>>2237853
4chan got closed down. This is an anonymous forum. VPNs are easily accessible. You do the math.
Nobody wants Nazis to be here. Not even other Nazis.

>>2237853
>why does leftypol welcome so many rightypol ideas

In part because of the belief that by engaging with them it's possible to change the minds of those that also possess similar beliefs. In another part it is a development resulting from other leftist forums like r/socialism or hexbear where you are immediately banned for not adhering to site orthodoxy on various issues.

It's a stance that has at times been beneficial and arguably successful and at others severely annoying because it's essentially a never ending conflict against rightist bullshit, and in recent times arguably less beneficial due to the decreasing amount of people left to effortpost contrary viewpoints from positions of authority.

This might deserve it's own thread, dunno. What's the principled Marxist position on immigration. Just posted in >>>/labor/734 that Marx thought that Irish reduced wages. But he thought it was worse that it divided the working class in the fight for higher wages. The article linked also thought there might be an imperialist negative pressure to immigration. So that NAFTA in harming native agriculturalists created immigration pressure. What's all this mean for policy though? Obviously one can continue to oppose it on the basis of the violence committed. Is the idea just to ignore the negatives and focus on organizing?

Can anyone recommend me some critiques on social anarchism from people who understand anarchism. This topic is a lot harder to find than I expected.


>>2240671

Got anything that criticizes Social Anarchism and the modern movement?

I don't think anything you recommended was useful at all. What you recommended either doesn't accurately tackle the critique of the time or reflect the strain I'm talking about in the current movement.

>>2237853
>why does leftypol welcome so many rightypol ideas
Do you have a single example of what you mean by this? I actually agree with you maybe, but I also want to see specific examples of what you think constitutes "right wing" because that can make a big difference.

>>2240761
can anyone find that meme where marx kicked out rad fems from the second international?

>>2240835
it wasn't "rad fems" it was 1 single bourgeois woman from the united states who wanted to make female emancipation and suffrage in bourgeois society the primary issue of the international workingmen's association. It wasn't that Marx was opposed to female emancipation, it was that he did not think true emancipation was possible under bourgeois society. Woodhull was a reformist and a business owner. The idea of "rad fems" (who are reformist and liberal but not necessarily bourgeois in their class character) wouldn't exist until much later. The excerpt you are thinking of from a book written by a liberal American in the 1990s after the fall of the USSR so I honestly wouldn't trust the way it frames that event.

>>2240835
also it wasn't the 2nd international. it was the 1st international. the 2nd international started after marx died.

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>>2240761
social anarchism is oxymoron. anarchism is not socialism because anarchism is not proletarian. anarchism attack proletariat dictatorship and undermine proletarian ideology. anarchism is bourgeois. Stalin's work is most comprehensive in explaining why.

>>2240879
< Everything I don't like it's bourgeois
We should implement a minimum age check to post here

>>2240879
I don't think you quite understand. Most of the anarchists I speak with today understand and agree with Marx on dialectical materialism. Anarchism just doesn't only take class into account and directly critiques power.Are you just saying anarchism is not proletarian because it challenges your world view? How is anarchism bourgeois?

I'm not sure you quite understand what I'm asking for or what anarchism is.

>>2240879
Anarchist and communist share the same goal - a classless, stateless, and moneyless society. We disagree with communist only in the details; primarily over whether a state remains necessary in the transition towards communism or if it is possible to dissolve the state prior to achieving post-scarcity.

If you don't think a classless, stateless, and moneyless society is possible then you're not a communist, though perhaps you could belong to some other strain of leftist (read: anti-capitalist) thought.

>>2241117
>>2241126
What do anarchists say about the dictatorship of the proletariat and repressions?

>>2241132
I mean obviously there are many strains of anarchist thought but personally I do think a "dictatorship of the proletariat" will be a necessary step but I don't conceive of this dictatorship as a one-party state exercising the tenants of democratic centralism. The vanguard party should not be narrowly defined as members of one specific political party but as all members of the working class who have attained class consciousness. The dictatorship of the proletariat ought to expand democracy not constrain it as the bourgeoisie do.

>>2241132
Total Marxoid Death

>>2241140
I agree with this. Most Ancoms do believe there will be a transitional period but are skeptical that opportunistic actors will seize power in order to create a new oppressor as seen in the USSR. Control should remain in the soviets in this example with people making the decisions rather than a vanguard party.

Why or how would the state ever give up control willingly? How can we trust the new state after the revolution to give up power?

>>2241152
I agree. I am a liberal, btw. I believe in personal freedom above all else

>>2241165
>I believe in personal freedom above all else
Me too but sadly liberalism is too authoritarian for my tastes so I will join forces with marxoids to kill you if possible.

>>2241199
Not if i join with them first to kill you instead

>>2241202
They will not accept you friend. I would ask yourself does liberalism give you the most possible freedom?

>>2241210
I am so liberal that i will abandon my liberalism

>>2187154
The reactionary criminals that ruled (and rule) russia since the ussr have made sure that these insults and other retarded ways of keeping the proles from hanging them are back.

>>2241140
If you support a dictatorship of the proletariate unmediated by vanguard does this mean one has an infantile disorder. Please help, one is very concerned.

>>2187154
There are many curse words in russian that have their root word a "pussy". However, it is not used to mean weakness. Those words are used to mean underage children, liars, also means "to talk". They often say pussy to mean mouth

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>>2240833
The hordes of ziggers crying about multipolarity. Because being ruled by 3 porky is better than being ruled by 2 or 1 porky

>>2241281
Historically speaking, it's mostly been MLs doing the betrayal. The entire Bolshevik faction was kind of a den of snakes constantly stabbing each other and their supposed allies in the back.

>>2241285
Lenin shoulda drained the life force of trotsky and stalin to live until 1950. The world would probably be better that way

>>2241281
Any historical examples of such a betrayal?

>>2241281
>They will betray you
Absolutely but we have common enemies to deal with before anarchist can establish full communism instead of what ever nightmarish hell USSR and Maoist China was.

>>2241275
I find it difficult to conceive of a DotP without some kind of vanguard - even a very broad vanguard incorporating all conscious members of the proletariat. Simply because in most of the world the workers are not sufficiently cognizant of their own class interests to really advocate for themselves effectively. That being said, I'm not going to dismiss the idea out of hand.

>>2241289
Nah. Im just saying things

>>2241279
you're just a retard getting mad at a strawman
pro imperialist retard like you are loosing though, which is exactly why you're the ones crying, so its all fine for me if you seethe impotently about multipolarity while accusing people of holding beliefs they dont have

>>2241295
The idea of a "sufficiently large vanguard" as the DotP almost sounds workable.
To be clear my problem isn't with vanguard, or democratic centralism, but vanguard as DotP.
This may sound ridiculous, but could the vanguard as DotP just be the voting half of the proletariate?

How do I get NKVD jannies delete posts I dont like?

>>2241800
>Democratic Marxist-Leninist
No probably not.

>>2241800
>>2241851
Just can't manage to make the leap.
Seem to be able to support everything but the vanguard as DotP.
Well, that and an unprovoked (non-defensive) violent revolution.
Guess this is pretty radlib or fedpilled.

>>2241864
>Well, that and an unprovoked violent revolution.
This probably doesn't amount to much.
You conduct action, and then the cops are called.
All the sudden you've got people trying to violently oppress you.
You can either run or fight, or whatever, depending on circumstance.
It really does just come down to the singular point of the vanguard as DotP.


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