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>>2177927MOMMY I DONT DO RULE I WANT TO SAY GUCK AND ZHIT I AM ADULT MOMMYE
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sorry tankanon have a nice day >>2178176>Do you guys think it would be a viable strategy to destroy the far right by fanning the flames of the most retarded antivaxx takes imaginable?No because reactionaries aren't the only ones who fall for antivaxx shit (for instance plenty of working class people are skeptical of vaccines in the USA either out of miseducation, or out of real experience of discrimination, like the Tuskegee Experiments), and the people who fall for antivaxx shit aren't the only ones who suffer for it (immunocompromised children not old enough to form opinions about vaccines come to mind)
> None of the antivaxxers will ever be able to admit that their "persecution" was for nothing so they NEED to believe the depopulation Bill Gates bullshit. "I'm so glad the vaxx will soon kill everyone I disagree with. I can stay home and play video games for the rest of my life and inherent the earth!" And "The vaxxies all betrayed me by taking a shot. They all deserve to die and will shed on me if I get too close!" Are really useful for rightwing retards to believe because those beliefs encourage them to be inactive and to alienate others. An inactive and isolated fascist is almost as good as a dead fascist.reactoids are paper tigers whether or not they believe stupid shit
>>2180053>Marx said that labour produces value the value of a commodity is the socially necessary labor time required to produce it. if someone sits around doing useless labor all day they do not produce value or surplus value. furthermore if they use antiquated methods to produce something that is already produced with equal quality using automated methods, they are not going to make very much money because they are not using the average methods for their society at its current level of development.
>it is the creative application of labour to objects that gives them their value correct.wrong
>So in that case why do capitalists always come up with ways to automate production?capitalists don't "come up with ways to automate production." professionals do. scientists. engineers. mathematicians.
> If labour is the source of valuea utopian slogan marx fought against
marx did not believe that "labor is the source of all value" in the simplistic sense that labor alone creates value. Instead, he argued that abstract collective labor in its relationship to the means of production production of commodities within a capitalist system produces value and surplus value, which is appropriated by the capitalist . marx said that the value of a commodity is determined by the socially necessary labor time required to produce it, which accounts for the labor power used in its production. He also distinguishes between labor power, which is the capacity to labor sold as a special commodity by the worker to the capitalist, and labor itself. he also emphasized the exploitation inherent in capitalism, where the value created by workers exceeds the wages they receive. this difference is surplus value, and it is extracted by capitalists as profit. marx recognized labor as central to value but highlighted the exploitative dynamics and social relations of production that shape how value is appropriated.
>why do they want to get rid of lots of it?a machine is a product of past labor AKA "dead labor." therefore automating jobs is not getting rid of labor. it is simply replacing living labor (what marx calls variable capital) with "dead" labor (what marx calls "constant capital").
>Does it come down to wagesYes. If you own means of production, you own conditions of production. if a bunch of workers make a machine, you pay them a wage, but you as the capitalist get to own it, and all products produced with that machine in the future belong to you. the problem arises when the socially necessary labor time required to produce a commdity drops, making it vastly cheaper. orthodox economics calls this a problem of oversupply. marx calls this a crisis of overproduction, because he emphasizes labor time rather than supply
I'm oversimplifying but this is the gist.
>>2180081dungeon meshi is from 2014
leftypol is from 2013
but idk when alunya was made
>>2184362read rajani palme dutt's book "fascism and social revolution"
short answer: no, no
>>2186582>Capitalists seek automation in order to reduce the wage billyes, of course
>this is needlessly nitpicking.I think anon was making the distinction because capitalists are often credited as Tony Stark style mavericks and geniuses who single-handedly do the technological labor required to automate things themselves. Like they just walk onto the factor floor, do a bunch of wizard math in their heads like gif related, and then conclude from the sheer force of their own giant brain what kind of changes need to be made. The apologetic nature of that kind of rhetoric needs to be dismantled. Capitalists seek automation to reduce the wage bill but they aren't responsible for the labor of innovation that makes it possible. Also the reduction in the wage bill is offset by the reduced price of commodities.
>>2187169the political economy thread has a reading list.
>>>/edu/ has readling lists and a PDF thread
>>2199109Yeah but their American Jews so they get reeducation till they knock off the zionism. Theyll be forced to watch Seth Rogan movies and jon stewart till re them back to appropriate American jewish behavior. Same with the christian zionist. Idk what to do with them, maybe 10 hours of loopimg mlk speeches because zionisim is the least thing wrong with them.
Mods this is a shit.
>>2206615Eating ass is actually brilliant for your immune system.
Since I've started eating ass I've noticed a miraculous improvement in my gastrointestinal system. No more cramping, diarrhoea, constipation or nausea. There was probably an imbalance of probiotic bacteria in my colon. Fecal transplants are now a medical therapy for numerous GI disorders.
I would encourage everyone to eat ass regularly. It could change your life.
>>2207061The commodity here is
change in location.
<The result, whether men or goods are transported, is a change in their whereabouts. Yarn, for instance, may now be in India instead of in England, where it was produced.
<However, what the transportation industry sells is change of location. The useful effect is inseparably connected with the process of transportation, i.e., the productive process of the transport industry. Men and goods travel together with the means of transportation, and their traveling, this locomotion, constitutes the process of production effected by these means. The useful effect can be consumed only during this process of production. It does not exist as a utility different from this process, a use-thing which does not function as an article of commerce, does not circulate as a commodity, until after it has been produced. But the exchange-value of this useful effect is determined, like that of any other commodity, by the value of the elements of production (labour-power and means of production) consumed in it plus the surplus-value created by the surplus-labour of the labourers employed in transportation. This useful effect also entertains the very same relations to consumption that other commodities do. If it is consumed individually its value disappears during its consumption; if it is consumed productively so as to constitute by itself a stage in the production of the commodities being transported, its value is transferred as an additional value to the commodity itself.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/ch01.htmIn general, a service is not really that different from a physical item. The service is just like a physical item that gets consumed immediately.
>>2210636You can ask that also about people running vital infrastructure: Should train drivers be allowed to strike? This could be solved by some positions being filled only with special employees of the state that have certain privileges and duties; so the people entering the field would know in advance about not having the right to strike and having perks like a secure income.
>>2210659Repeating a question already answered here:
>>2209050>>2210853A scab is a strike-breaker. Nationality is irrelevant.
>>2210865Materials and tools are means of production. A machine making a product is a means of production. The machine casing is part of the machine, so it's part of the means of production. Picture a machine that needs protection from rain, so it's only used indoors. You can think of the building as providing the casing for the machine. This necessary casing is part of the means of production. Does this answer your question?
>>2210882Depends.
>>2210886In general stalling the delivery of something is not by itself considered theft.
>>2210905It is a strike of sorts. Been done in Japan. (I have seen German journalists propose that to train drivers on strike. But the train drivers, ticket sellers, and ticket checkers are distinct jobs.)
>>2210920Is preaching austerity to the masses while also calling them Hitler good strategy for socialists? Hmmmmmm I'm skeptical.
>>2210923No.
>>2210924Yes.
>>2210925Depends.
>>2210933Let me put it this way: We better be quick with the revolution. There is not much stored in the supermarkets. So if the deliveries stop they will run out in less than three days.
>>2213048Marx 1818-1883
Nietzsche 1844-1900
Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto when Nietzsche was 3 years old. He finished Capital Volume 1 when Nietzsche was 23.
>>2187053>and the dissolution of class divisionsBut worker self-management is a prerequisite for dissolution of class divisions. Like, by definition of class used by Marx
No, seeds of new system have to be built within the old just as capitalism built up inside feudalism. In other words prefigurative politics
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>>2218662in feminism it traditionally describes the roles biological women are coerced to adopt i.e. gender, but i prefer to use it refer to the notion that sex = gender or more broadly that a woman is something you
are, a belief some transhumanists hold as well. womanhood doesn't manifest as "gender not sex" under patriarchy, both cis and trans women are defined in relation to their biology. notice the betrayal cliche in trap or reverse-trap content, the characters appearance
ought to reflect their genitals. gender divorced from sex cuts across biology to defang the oppression of the female sex, it is the runaway cultural detritus of patriarchy accelerating its own inevitable dissolution.
>>2187154>Is “pussy” or “vagina” considered an insult regarding “weakness” in Russian and Soviet culture as it is in the west?No, but gendered insults do exist. Something like "Чо хнычешь как баба?" does strongly imply that crying is what a woman does, not man.
>I was wondering because women in the USSR were tough and strong and the stereotype may not be as prevalent.We live under capitalism for more than 30 years already. Most of the egalitarian sentiments from USSR era are things of the past unfortunately.
>>2219935>Are all American politicians evilYes
>How do they justify itThey get paid enough money to never have to worry about anything ever again
>>2224078depends how you define "free will". We are materialists so we dont believe in soul and shit like that, and yes this mean in practical term the world is a long chain of cause and consequences including your decisions
Most people mean "free will" like "ability to make decisions" and thats what the human brain is all about, so in that sense yes we have free will.
but its more a philosophical/semantic debate than a communist one. Christcoms exist after all.
>>2220709because I reported them
>>2220711having dozens of 1 word post trying to break word filters is not quality and deserves to be deleted
>>2226262No. Adam Smith wrote about it in the 1700s and it has always been happening increasingly since the neolithic revolution.
>>2226265By appealing to the common situation in capitalist society which is exploitation. The organization or individual employing you only employs you so long as the results of your labor earns them more money than they pay you. This is the simplest way to put it but obviously there's more to it than that.
>>2226274No, I don't think so. Specialization has always existed, whereas workerism is a specific form of revisionism that emerged in the Italian left. It meant glorifying the worker, but the problem with that approach, is that it ignores the question of the class conscious proletariat, and uplifts those workers which are not yet class conscious, and may be reactionary, or even aspire to being bourgeois. So it is a kind of aimless machismo. At least that is the main criticism I have heard of it. I have also heard the criticism that workerism only praises labor that produces surplus value (like factory workers) while ignoring labor that does not produce surplus value (like a nurse tending to the sick and dying).
>>2226277In the sense of people having difficult jobs which require a lot of education and training? Probably not.
>>2226282Barbara Ehrenreich writes about the "professional managerial class" and other authors dedicate a lot of ink to "labor aristocracy." That being said I think these subclasses that emerged in the imperial core are not petty bourgeois necessarily. They form a layer of insulation between the wage workers and the bourgeoisie. However you often see professionals aspiring to own their own practices and firms, so there is an element of petit bourgeois aspiration among the professionals.
>>2226287I think that might be overstating it but I can see why someone might say that.
Are you one person asking all these questions? Are you trying to fill up the thread fast?
>>2226288I am just asking questions. This is what this thread is for. Sure, they are bad and shallow questions that dont allow for discussions.
How do we stop people with identifying with their job and start identifying with their class. I mistakenly thought that workerism and professionalism is when people identify with their jobs and professions and not with their social class.
>>2226265identify common interests but be aware of the semi-proletarian/petite-bourgeoisie's everpresent trickeries
>>2226274accusations of workerism are outright attack on proletarian supremacy
>>2226290reducing class down to a "job" is class collaborationist bourgeois thinking
>>2226292>>2226293please put all your questions in one post.
>stop people with identifying with their job and start identifying with their class.job, i.e., social division of labor, denotes class
>>2226292what do you think of my previous answers?
>How do we stop people with identifying with their job and start identifying with their classEugene V Debs has a great answer to this
https://www.marxists.org/archive/debs/works/1905/classunionism.htm> I mistakenly thought that workerism and professionalism is when people identify with their jobs and professions and not with their social class.it may very well have more than one definition; I gave the one I am most familiar with.
>>2226304https://www.google.com/books/edition/Anarchy/j1spAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22workerism%22&pg=RA5-PA11&printsec=frontcoverThe earliest usage of "workerism" I can find is from Russian anarchist newspaper attacking the Communist Party. Accusations of workerism have historically been used by the bourgeoisie to slander Communist States.
>For example, the hard hat riots in the 1970s in the USA were thoroughly reactionary and defended US imperialism in vietnam. The workerist conclusion would be to defend those actions because "workers did it and workers are always right"No one really does this. The proper understanding of "workerism" is as form of bourgeois slander against proletarians; a way of resisting proletarian supremacy and mitigating the power of the proletarians
>>2226325>No one really does thisI see it happen a lot on here actually. For example in USApol every day there's a guy who says "everyone getting deported is petit bourgeois, Trump is defending the American worker from gusanos and scabs, real workers support Trump" etc. You saw the same thing with the hard hat riots in the 70s. Real workers are patriotic and support American imperialism, etc. etc. People opposed to American imperialism are all pencil necked petty bourgeois over educated dandies, etc. This is quite common in the imperial core.
> The proper understanding of "workerism" is as form of bourgeois slander against proletarians; a way of resisting proletarian supremacy and mitigating the power of the proletariansOK so what is the better word for the thing I'm describing, where people defend the most reactionary and class-unconscious section of the workers as the "true" revolutionaries against the actual class conscious proletariat? Fascism?
>>2230190Am okay with self defense, arms, and training.
It's preferable to being murdered but still not desirable.
Thanks.
>>2224944>when you deliberate and have mixed feelingsThe old fashioned version of the argument is that "free will" is having unique feelings, impulses, and surely computation too about the mind.
Of course this isn't really opposed to determinism which is the view that human actions are determined.
>>2231331At the minimum many social democratic policies like free college, single-payer, green new-deal, etc. target primarily the middle-class.
Shifting discourse to the left also helps move policy away from people who might want to oppress you, and undermine these policies which benefit the middle-class.
Worker control of the means of production would also be in your interest, it would permanently remove many people who wish to oppress you.
>>2231353Wonder if it might make you less happy to realize you're oppressed, lol.
It probably depends on how it's channeled, e.g. do you go and build community and solidarity with it or do you sit depressed in an armchair.
Just guessing though.
>>2231399>couldn't workers also wish to oppress me?Not as a worker, or a middle-class person, maybe in other ways though.
You could make the argument that many of these ideas come from above, which is often what anti-idpol leftist do.
The oppressive structures are all related to them, or descended from a common cause.
They'd look at all the billionaires lined up behind the US President, or Murdoch (as a prime example) or the Koch brothers (another one) and say these people have had an extensive influence on public opinion.
(Am speaking of America because this is most familiar to me, but am certain there are examples of the rich promoting conservative politics in your own country.)
>>2233213It's more like 6-10 times, and they're still probably spending most of their money on
housing, car, gas, food; (especially if they work in a major metro) you know necessities.
>>2233223>>2233221Am not joking, if you pick San Fransisco:
Median Home Price: Approximately $1.35 million.
Annual Mortgage Payment: Ranging from about $94,600 to $118,600.
You have to make a whole lot more than the federal minimum to even come close to living there.
>>2230794genderswapped Hugo Chavez
Context:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/6355Also, have moe Stalin, Mao, Castro and Gaddaffi as bonuses
>>2233232if you work in tech you theoretically have to live in SF though.
regardless let's not engage in 'PMC' bullshit, just saying that lots of people spend money on things they don't need. one of my coworkers spends £300 per month on taxis to and from work, whereas I live a similar distance and just walk (we make minimum wage)
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