/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

As was the 2023 counter-offensive to capture Crimea despite not making much progress at the front, tbh I think without ultranationalists over-ruling NATO generals in favour of potential PR victories, you'd not see Ukraine make random pushes in completely the wrong direction.

>>2442202
Give tumblrinas the ability to kill men through a computer and it's a massacre.

>>2442158
I would imagine Hitler's ghost to be pretty happy.

>>2442202
>She killed a million billion soldiers while wearing cat ears
I'm somewhere between disgusted and humoured with how left-libs have turned into the Klingons but manage to avoid confronting this with themselves by giving their celebration of war for war's sake an uwu :3 veneer.

>>2442205
They would only target heteroids anyway so is fine by me

>>2442272
>total hetero death
ugh

We can't get mechs and machine-brain interfaces soon enough. In a better future, weapon operators would be shortly ditched to develop some extreme form of cancerous head-splitting migraine borne of cancer some other horrible consequence of pushing the body past natural human limits for the sake of killing. I want every motherfucker who joins the army to get a load of Elon Musk's garbage implanted into their brain.

I want their children taken away when daddy/mommy begins idly chewing on their on fingers. I want a whole new breath of conflict related crippling disorders. I want just as many new forms of crippling addiction to self treat them and doubly as severe side effects to them.

Everyone who participates in war on the side of the bourgeoisie should come out reflecting their side's choices. A pile of discarded human refuse that looks and smells like betrayed their own humanity to become a better tool.

How will there be a worker's revolution when there are no workers left? How will industry be owned by the people when there's no industry left?

>>2442294
At lot of these guys were famously taken against their will.

>>2442068
>US is not the main actor.
how do you call it when victoria nuland comes in and says that half of poroshenko's cabinet is hand-picked by her? how do you call it when CIA/Pentagon chvds are integral part of the ukrainian military training? how do you call it when you get 160 billion dollars over the course of three years?
oh, you really think ukraine is fighting alone this?
>>2442093
and it's weird that you don't find it weird. you are weird person. you are weird.

>>2441357
The world was freed of another liberal poet.

In some kind of contrast, the mother of Prigo was interviewed about his son. Talks about his life, his prison time, his reformation, he dropping out of college cause the 90s, the hotdog stand, the casinos, the catering, etc…
https://www.fontanka.ru/2025/08/22/75852263/

>>2442093
>I don't find it weird.
You're a self-proclaimed liberal that's why

Some Muscovite oil refineries will be lost forever after drone attacks because they're unable to build them back.
Environmentalists winning big here from Ukrainian drone attacks. Oil is simply just being stopped.

2 days to put out a fire in some "coffee-machines" factory n Zakarpattia. lmao, sure, coffee machine.

>>2442433
>because they're unable to build them back.
Reasonings?

>>2442093
Ukraine is far more consequential than Vietnam because it represents the US international system being challenged and beaten back following logical progression in imperialism in Europe. Its postwar recovery, early integration and transatlantic ties, then absorption of the exploited postcommunist east so as to form a supranational project appended to American world hegemony

If 2008 was a neoliberal bandaid fix beginning to go bust, 2013/14 and abject regression in Ukraine was the post-45 order going bust. Thus modern liberals beying for blood and demanding derussification of Ukraine to protect global democracy from nationalism, before getting their proxies shot to pieces thanks to this incoherent view of capitalist crises

Vietnam was also ended comparatively easily. The US withdrew due to instability, failed its puppet, and capitulated to Vietnamese demands by 75. Ukraine will not end easy. It is a gigantic gaping maw or black hole in the international system. It is Europe failing to come together and being left with a partially formed mess. If the West concedes to Russian terms it's an epochal shift that is an existential threat, the end of the liberal world order. I think that's a good thing

>>2442508
Baying*

>>2442508
>communist revolutionary warfare is less important than conflict between two capitalist/imperialist blocs
There is nothing more useless mass killing than this.

>>2442524
If Vietnam was the only communist insurgency and North Vietnam was the only ML state on the planet, then Vietnam would have been way more existential.
But at this point there were numerous far larger and more populous ML/socialist states in existence, so the loss of Vietnam was a setback, not a complete rejection of the then post-1945 order.

Ukraine losing or capitulating and ceasing to exist is existential, because it means the end of both the post-45 and post-91 orders. Because to liberals this means not only the definitive rejection of western unilateralism and hegemony after 1991, but also as the "rules based order" where borders are not allowed to be changed except as imposed by western or western backed powers.
Afghanistan too was more of a Vietnam kind of setback. Ukraine though is the proverbial end times to western liberals.
And to no surprise, this is triggering way more derangement than Vietnam or Afghanistan ever did.

>>2442202
6 trillion zigger dead wow!

>>2442538
>Ukraine losing or capitulating
Ukraine won. Not reading the rest of your cope.

>>2442552
Too late, you've already summoned me spurdo

>>2442538
Rather dramatic opinion considering this is a conflict with NATO trying to get one of the sphere of influence states from Russian Federation. If Ukraine falls NATO loses nothing and gains nothing and if Russia wins it has avoided losing one of its core territories it considers to belongs to her. No matter who wins or loses millions of people have died between to capitalist blocs fighting over sphere of influence. All of this has very little if anything to do with socialism. Its just the most recent war to support or be against while living nowhere near the conflict area.

The way I see it is that Vietnam was a result of US influence still spreading and having room to spread, it fought for Vietnam simply so that the Chinese/Soviets wouldn't "have it" but Ukraine is different, in that it's not the US still expanding but rather it hit the limit of how far it's going to expand and recognises that it's going to start receding in global influence, thus NATO is not fighting in Ukraine to prevent Russia from having it, it's destroying Ukraine so no one can have it. It's not whether Ukraine will end up as a NATO proxy or a Russian proxy, as Vietnam might have been, it's just going to be no mans land for the descent of the "American Century".

>>2442564
Every socialist state actually existing supports Russia in this conflict, from China to Cuba. You have no ground to stand on calling this conflict inter-imperialist

Were the Hun imperialists?

>>2442579
USA "bought" French Indochina from France, not unlike how France bought Corsica from Genoan Republic

>>2442590
Does that make Napoleon a POC?

>>2442592
It makes Napoleon a honorary Viet Cong soldier

>>2442590
The US laid claim to all former European colonies when it created NATO, why would such territories need to be labelled as this or that nation's property amongst friends?

>>2442564
That's missing the wider impact on the "rules based international order" itself however.
It's like how ISIS upending Sykes Picot was an existential threat, but some Islamist movement taking over in Afghanistan or elsewhere isn't. As far as liberals are concerned, allowing borders to be changed through force opens a can of worms. The occasional setback is acceptable, violating sacred post-45 tenets however isn't.
I believe if Putin offered a deal where Ukraine cannot join NATO, nor join the EU, must be demilitarized and remain neutral, but all territories are "returned" including Crimea, this would be far more acceptable to them.

Existential threats to an established international order or worldview shouldn't be underestimated.
European aristocrats duking it out over colonies and small territories was largely acceptable, but the French Revolution and Napoleon's attempted conquest of Europe and annihilation of Europe's ancient royal houses wasn't.
Minor clashes like those over Crimea and Alsace-Lorraine were acceptable, but the German Empire attempting to upend the entire post-Congress of Europe international balance of power however, was an existential threat.
The Bolshevik revolution, Europe's (attempted) communist revolutions in general, and Russian civil war were also existential and also saw extreme interventions.

That's not to say wars like Vietnam are or should be more significant to socialists/communists than Ukraine, but this is more about the conflict is perceived on the other side (liberals in this case). Who see a victory of Russia in Ukraine as the end of an epoch and their "rules based international order".

>>2442588
(Semi-)nomadic mode of production is pretty much pillaging + cattle herding.

No…

>>2442615
I suspect Spurdo is British, in which case "The Hun" are the Germans in WW1

>>2440577
EU is America's sovereign wealth fund. You are food for Silicon Valley stock bubbles.

>>2442552
Not the point. Wasn't even about whether Ukraine is losing or is going to lose, but about how this potential loss is perceived by western liberals.
But I'm used to these boring replies by now. Must suck being a nationalist fanatic and having your brain immediately fried by thought terminating cliches and trigger words.

>>2442623
You can tell particularly primitive people by their delusion that everyone speaks (or cares in the slightest about) their idiom. Americans have the excuse that they actually used to rule the world in recent, living memory.

Effects of Vietnam are being minimized I think. The capitalist crisis of the 70’s, of which Vietnam played a large part, and the exit of Vietnam was an effect of, was a key step to the disintegration of imperialism. This marked the beginning of the neoliberal age. In other words, the period at which the superprofits delivered by imperialism ceased to be enough to provide for a labor aristocracy in the imperial core. Perhaps it’s harder to see because through neoliberalism, they “solved” the crisis, even temporarily reversed the falling of the rate of profit, and “won” the Cold War. However, it was a crucial step in the end of capitalism

>>2442720
Well that is ironic you'd say that Glownonymous because Spurdo's favourite go-to get out of a debate he isn't winning, is to complain he isn't being understood because his opponent is an ESL.

So we can establish that he must be from an English speaking country, he is also online at the same hours I am, there is a Spurdo flag that also posts in "lefty"britpol with similar abrasiveness and naturally being a member of this failing nation of ours makes most who inhabit it extremely contemptuous of nations that are rising.

Also not making any accusations, but it is a bit sus that Spurdo often enjoys the support of random pass-byers

Someone renew thread, I already got a good post ready to go
>>2442743
I wonder if you mean me/my specific post. In any case I just thought we (as in us two) were in full agreement.
To me the Huns were strange horse people to the east.

>>2442761
Full agreement of what?

Ohhhhh I see

>>2442765
I can't remember now, can I?
That the bri'ish are in some respects even more primitive than amrikans?

>>2442771
That if Spurdo was British, then it was primitive to assume everyone would know "The Hun" refers to Ze Germans.

Alas, we'll never know if he is British, it's just a suspicion of mine.

Shoo
>>2442779

>>2442524
both are natlib

>>2442350
Um I call it u dismissing Ukrainian agency sweaty

>>2442524
>There is nothing more useless mass killing than this.
The same useless opinion as expound by Michael Harrington when he disowned Vietnam and the conflict it represented as a war between two sides the workers had no stake in
And of course the third campist became a first campist over time