>>2442564well you are halfway there because you at least say it is NATO v Russia, but somehow neglect how that effects Iran, China, what that means for Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, how that in turn effects Brasil, Vietnam, Nigeria, Burkina Faso, what it will mean for the rest of the world that the premier imperialist power is exposed as a paper tiger and how NATO as a whole is incapable of production
>>2442909Well, fishing rights can be existential to an impoverished fisher. That's one thing. I suppose you talk of a dispute like between EU and UK, which has a zero chance of going nuclear (well, technically, you know, the chance is never zero).
The larger issue I think is that if you want a picture of the future, I can tell you, while I do not claim to have any special ability of seeing.
It will however look quite a lot like this. A lot of talking NATO back from the brink, calmly, reasonably, non-confrontationally ("let's get you to bed") even. So, you may not like it but you may dislike the alternative even more. The future will be what I described or it will be "nothing", a radioactive wasteland.
>>2442943I've understood that Russia seeks to end this conflict via diplomacy since they tried to prevent it using diplomacy and that has framed my perception of the war since.
It's more the theatre that comes out of that method when Trump is indulging for optics that gets tiring, I ironically prefer the Biden days where the US was demanding, in the face of calls for diplomacy, essentially total hohol death and if Ukrainians get exterminated via that attitude then that's Russia's doing! btw we're giving Ukraine more weapons and more escalatory permissions on how to use them.
>>2443001I'm more interested in the music and think it's a more important aspect of war than one might think. Armies have usually got into battle to the sound of drums.
There's also stuff like "Bakhmut Fortress" on the Ukrainian side. They lost that battle but those guys put their feels into the song. It's why I wanted to emphasize that DPR/LPR stuff because people's hearts were in that, because they're from there. Also think that was a local theatre company and it has soul. It's like the vibe that Givi had. The Kremlin smothers everything for the generic Creed-style stuff about being patriotic and so on. Maybe there is some Russian stuff with more grit that I haven't seen.
>>2442956>>2442909Honesty and integrity in relations is solely the domain of fiction. Nobody is going to stand up and admit anything, or talk about things with the weight they deserve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbmDLVFAaecAll you will get in real life is gaslighting, lies, and veiled threats, and you will like it.
>>2443024>Maybe there is some Russian stuff with more grit that I haven't seen.This for Russians is a continuation of the repeated attempts by western Europeans to attack and invade Russia, so really take your pick of Russian or Soviet songs on the topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPeriSAdum0&list=RDTPeriSAdum0&start_radio=1Is my favourite and no less relevant tbh
>>2443029>I mean stuff being made now.Again, this conflict isn't a new one as far as Russians are concerned. That Ukrainians and the Luganskians and Donbassians have to come up with songs for this particular conflict is a result of none having much in the way of historical independent importance, which to be sure is more insulting for the Ukrainians.
Actually we've not posted enough Red Army songs ITT for a while, my second favourite will label me as a basic bitch, you all know it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLg83QMmlGs&list=RDMLg83QMmlGs&start_radio=1 It's the thing westerners don't really understand about the conflict, they feel they can draw a line in the sand and suggest this is different from Napoleon and Hitler's bids to invade and conquer Russia, that unlike those dictators the current crop of NATO leaders are nothing like the imperial leaders who tried to intervene in the Russian Civil War on the side of the whites.
It's the most bizarre thing to me tbh, in the west you can find all sorts of apology for slavery, anti-semitism, colonialism, imperialism, genocide, etc and you will find girls with blue hair and men with hair buns willing to denigrate it all at the expense of their nations, but absolutely nada for the west's history with Russia, the assertion that Russia was as harsh with Estonia as the entirety of Europe was with the entirety of Africa means Russia is exempt from standard shitlib we're-super-sowwy-for-invading-ya shit
>>2443049>But the Novorossiyans are riffing on Great Patriotic War themes while the Russians aren't inventing new Great Patriotic War themes at all just using the same ones!<Oh btw here is an unrelated meme song sung by the Russian army for lolsunreleated
Wow they also sang Skyfall, are they simps for MI5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F832ZZNRV0&list=RD-F832ZZNRV0&start_radio=1 >>2443054French presidents to this day visit the tomb of Napoleon and expect Russia to be cordial.
Poland will literally never apologize for the Polish Intervention, the darkest chapter of Russia's entire history. Its akin to Germany never apologizing for the darkest chapter of Polish history, which was under the Generalgovernment.
Russia has every reason to despise the West and refuse it.
>>2443090Yeah I'm not big on the Russian war music scene but your point was "why aren't Russians writing music with the ferocity of the Ukrainians and Novorossiyans" and my answer is that they don't need to because this is just Europe attacking Russia again and there are already songs written about that.
Just confront that fact rather than giving me this "yeah but actually there is SOME contemporary music"
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-82225-peace-talks-unravel?
>Also came the news—referenced by Steve Bannon in the earlier video—that a Russian hacking collective allegedly hacked Ukrainian General Staff databases to reveal 1.7 million KIA and missing soldiers. They posted a handful of documents as proof, with claims that the lists contained all missing and liquidated soldiers:
>Many reacted with outright skepticism at the number, and for good reason. It does seem hard to believe, however just as food for thought, recall that it was Zelensky himself who gave Ukraine’s mobilization figures as roughly 30,000 per month in each year of the war thus far:
>Just taking 30k multiplied by the 41 months of the war, we get ~1.2 million. But you must add that to the 1m or so that Ukraine was said to have started the war with after the first initial mass call-up of reservists, which added to the already several-hundred-thousand-strong Ukrainian army at the time. With those you get 2.2m, from which we can subtract Ukraine’s current claimed strength of anywhere between 600k - 1m, and get somewhere between 1.2m to 1.6m that are “missing”, which seems to match up with the figures from the Russian hack.
>However, recall that even if the AFU has lost 1.4m or so—taking the middle number—those would be irrecoverable losses which includes both KIA and seriously wounded or maimed. Given that the ratio between these is usually 1:1 or a bit higher for the maimed in most wars, we can then assume 700k or so would be killed and another 700k maimed, which is likely closer to the real Ukrainian losses.
>However, we must not forget desertions, of which even Ukrainian authorities claim are something north of 200,000+ since the start of the conflict. You can shift it down to 600k killed, 600k maimed, and 200k deserted. Although, keep in mind the desertion figures simply count initial desertions but don’t include the fact that many if not most of those desertions end up being brought back, whether by force or by their own choice. It’s a known phenomenon in the AFU that a huge portion of deserters go AWOL to “take a break” and then return on their own after several weeks or longer.
>This news also happens to come a mere couple days after another exchange of bodies took place where Russia again returned 1,000 deceased AFU soldiers, and Ukraine returned 19 Russian ones. Make of that what you will.
>Most will continue the cliche about “Russia is advancing so it’s gathering more corpses”, yet oddly enough, each time Ukraine massively advanced, like in the Kursk and Zaporozhye offensives, the body exchanges did not disproportionately favor Ukraine…why is that?
>Well, it seems on the Zaporozhye offensive it actually slightly did, but something drastically changed after that. >>2443106Ukraine already launched the invasion, it's why Russia recognized Donbas and Lugansk.
Just like Georgia and Chechnya, Russia did not start this.
>>2443766>incomingSo how long were you in a coma. Welcome back!
One might also say, it never ended. Amerikkka and its "allies" have not been twiddling their thumbs, waiting for a challenge. They have been proactive, destroying, plundering.
>>2443694Same problem as all other tanks. It's designed for 20th century tank duels and defending against ATGMs. It will still get at least mission killed by a suicide drone hitting the turret.
Much cheaper to just send T-72 or even T-62/T-55.
The Armata was designed to fight wars like Chechnya or Syria where the extra expense was worth protecting the crew.
>>2443114Heroes:
>>2442296May the lives lost serve as a potent reminder of the indomitable resistance that awaits any imperial ambitions over the DPRK.
>>2443910>>2443888This is basically also what the balts and poles fear. Germany is still the potential powerhouse and prime mover of the continent if you ignore Russia. Russia and Germany getting along very quickly gets into them agreeing how to carve them up economically, politically and militarily. Not even in some purposeful and aggressive way, but just by the logic of how such New-Europe would function. That's why balts are so insistent on conflict and nato and American presence. They won't have a country if western Europe gets to follow it's path of least resistance and integrate with Russia. They need a non European power with non-european interests to be in charge of Europe for them to not stop existing.
Balts are in a sense geopolitically artificial countries. They only popped up first in the chaos of Russian civil war, just to get reintegrated back to russia, the recarved out from again russia in the chaos and CIA fuckery of the 90s, and sustained by the American unipolar moment. To them russofobia is not just a shitty attitude or populist trope, it's a the powering force of the continuation of baltic statehood. A constant fight to not not get politically, culturally, economically and military reabsorbed, powered by culture of victimhood and butthurt.
>>2443869This is simply the "tails you lose" of the
<Heads I win>Tails you loseShit sandwich by which the EU presents their merger with NATO as adversarial towards Trump. They literally act more subservient than ever, but in an incongruent tone and call it done. They are basically agreeing to do austerity forever, sell their economies for parts and hand the USA the remainsders of control over their trade to subsidize US hegemony. And somehow they say all of this to one's face but then add "to spite Trump" at the end and the average liberal creams their pants and makes another mental note to be more like the US Democrats.
If the US is getting Brazil-ifed, western euros are all becoming USA-nized. The media can barely pretend to be separated form the US culture war by a fucking ocean. We even get Mamdani slop, and report on various shit like murders or floods of the USa while ignoring our own. It's like the Summer of Floyd/BLM every fucking day. Fucking hell USAnos, press the red button already.
>>2443694tested, not deployed, unnecessarily expensive.
T-90 chad stays winning.
>>2443040>Self-determinationI don't.
>Ukrainian """self-determination"""Reactionary
>Palestinian """self-determination""" (aka you will live in a bantustan ran by bourg/sheikh funded compradors, be prohibited from leaving, own nothing, and be happy)Also reactionary.
Pic rel is the only kind of emancipation (specifically during the era of South African Apartheid) the bourgeoisie actually fear.
Zionist do not fear a two state solution, they've always feared a one state solution (except one where they get to genocide every Arab).
The growing demands for emancipation and citizenship in the Gaza strip let to unilateral engagement twenty years ago. The Zionists could have eliminated Hamas and empowered the PA in 2007, but that would have meant a less disorganized more respectable opposition to their racist genocidal Zionist project. (Similar to how South African white nationalists preferred for the bantustans to be run by kleptocratic nepotistic kapos who would violently suppress groups like the ANC and in some cases refused to be peacefully re-integrated into South Africa)
The only non-reactionary stance for an occupied people living under apartheid/settler colonialism is full emancipation, including citizenship, freedom of movement and political rights. Especially if they constitute the majority in their own lands.
>>2443991>Zionist do not fear a two state solution, they've always feared a one state solutionthe problem with the 2-state solution is that if they were to allow such a state to exist, it's a threat to them by different factors, but mainly:
Arabs procreate twice, thrice faster.
If zios allow one inch, then the other side will ask for more.
>>2444044Which is exactly why they should be forced to swallow "Palestine" whole. Just like the ANC for decades opposed the bantustan system, and demanded full emancipation and abolition of apartheid in all of South Africa.
This will destroy the Zionist project, or result in haphazard unilateral disengagement.
Pushing for the "recognition" of a "two-state" solution is like demanding the recognition of the Bantustans before 1990. As opposed to simply the non-recognition of either of the two. I.e. the official stance of many Arab state (non-recognition of Israel, only recognizing Palestine) is still somewhat progressive because it demands a one-state solution.
Recognizing both on the other hand is reactionary. Full citizenship for Palestinians is the fastest way to end the restrictions on movement and the economic blockade of Gaza and parts of areas A and B of the West Bank.
>>2444070And it took 3 years of war in ukraine to finally mobilize 60yo boomers to the front lines.
imagine how incompetent zelya is, that he refused over the years to send the most precious military asset to the front lines.
gimme 10 of those pensioners, I'll be in Kamchatka by the end of the month.
>>2444064problem is, I don't think Palestinians can afford to do that, while the rest of the Arabs are the same way.
I am not too familiar with the ANC events, but I am pretty sure they weren't surrounded by reactionary monarchies. And I've seen some Palestinians TikTok accounts, and many of them explicitly state that they want to go to countries like Qatar or UAE. Literally the two puppet states that restored diplomatic relations with Israel. for what? to align all the middle east against Iran. complicated stuff, complicated stuff.
>>2443888Germany lost to Soviet technology.
>>2443949I don't think you understand just how much of a non-factor the butthurt belt is. Do these countries have a single percent of the influence AIPAC has in Washington? They don't, the relationship between the butthurt belt and USA is entirely one-sided. These countries are deindustrialized husks that primarily serve the purpose of supplying cheap labor to west european capital. East european liberals are not subjects at all.
>>2443812In Western discourse it was common to say a war with North Korea would be a pushover because their soldiers would see a hot dog stand or Gamestop or whatever and give up. Then the reports from the Ukrainian side in this war is that, no, the North Koreans are tough as nails, have great endurance and are fitter than typical Russian soldiers, and are good shots too.
>>2443991>Pic rel is the only kind of emancipation (specifically during the era of South African Apartheid) the bourgeoisie actually fear. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! It's like hacking their own system. They're like oh shit oh no oh fuck. Can't you like, fight us instead? They don't like a two-state solution though either, but yes. Or I dunno.
more about "Serhii K."
>"A Ukrainian man allegedly involved in the 2022 attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines was arrested in Italy on Wednesday. ARD , Süddeutsche Zeitung, and "Zeit" now have access to the arrest warrant against the man. According to the arrest warrant, Serhii K. is said to have boarded the previously rented sailboat in Wiek on the island of Rügen in early September 2022.
>K. was tasked with coordinating the operation and leading the sabotage team, which allegedly consisted of a skipper, four divers, and an explosives expert. It goes on to say that the suspected saboteurs had planted at least four explosive devices, each weighing 14 to 27 kilograms, on the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines at a depth of approximately 70 to 80 meters. The explosives were a mixture of hexogen (RDX) and octogen (HMX), and the bombs were allegedly equipped with time fuses.
>According to investigators from the Federal Criminal Police Office and the Federal Police, Serhii K. allegedly disembarked from the sailing yacht in Wiek on September 22nd and was picked up by a driver and taken back to Ukraine. Other suspects then reportedly returned to Hohe Düne near Warnemünde, where the "Andromeda" had previously been rented."
the west paving the road to ditch ukraine.
> About aerial reconnaissance
> In the coming months, aerial reconnaissance as a type of systemic activity may cease to exist.
> In the reconnaissance-strike contour of operational-tactical depth, the key word is precisely "reconnaissance." Without visual confirmation of a target, almost no one ever flies out to strike it, and searching for a target with a strike asset is practiced very rarely.
> At present, almost along the entire front line, the enemy is deploying a layered line of FPV-interceptors, creating so-called "kill zones," which sometimes extend 15–20 km deep into enemy territory. All reconnaissance aircraft attempting to fly there during the day are very likely to be shot down. For now, they are not systematically shot down at night, but this is only a matter of time. Climbing higher (to 4,000–5,000 meters) also produces no result; the enemy has learned to shoot down there as well. Conducting "sector reconnaissance" in most directions is now impossible.
> There are areas on certain axes where, during the daytime, no one even tries to put wings into the sky anymore, understanding that they will be shot down, and this creates a vacuum for enemy maneuvers.
> This is the systemic result of the work of the Russian "Rubikon Center for Advanced Drone Technologies" and their mobile fire groups.
> Reconnaissance of the forward edge, the line of contact, will remain; it is almost impossible to suppress it.
> But operational-tactical level reconnaissance is gradually disappearing and requires a breakthrough revolutionary counter-solution. If none is found, then with the growing mass use of Rubikon in the sectors, and with traditionally poor autumn weather, aerial reconnaissance will cease to be regular.
> What might these solutions be? Casual observers mention "mini-EW" on reconnaissance drones, an "evader system" (when, upon detection of an enemy interceptor, the wing sharply performs maneuvers that reduce the chance of being hit), flights at high altitude.
> These are crutches, which will be easily countered technologically.
> So far there is no solution. And finding that solution is the number one task for manufacturing companies and for many military R&D centers. If no solution is found, in the next spring campaign it will be very difficult for us.
> The time for gigantic, expensive reconnaissance aircraft for huge sums is unambiguously over. Depth will be covered by "photowings," Leleka M2, Hory, Vectors, Domakhas, and Shark-D.
> Let me remind you that it was precisely we who first came up with the mass use of FPV-interceptors against reconnaissance wings, faced with a huge influx of enemy wings and the lack of sufficient SAM systems to shoot them down.
> We will also have to find countermeasures to this. Because there will not be enough drones for everyone.
< -Serafym Hordiienko, drone crew commander of the 14th Separate Regiment -
>>2443949>PicBalts, specifically Latvians and Estonians, strike me as a culturally insecure people with a deep inferiority complex. It's not like the Lithuanians where Lithuanian nobles owned half of Eastern Europe at one point.
It reminds me a bit of Indian nationalists, but then India does have a "grand" history with many of its past states and cultures forming powerful, advanced and renowned civilizations at one point. That modern Indian nationalist can "claim" as their heritage.
Latvians and Estonians on the other hand, during the overwhelming bulk of European history, were, in grand scheme of things, a whole load of… nothing. Occasionally hunted as slaves or forcibly converted, then spend the better part of almost a thousand years as a slave/serf/servant caste for neighboring states (Vikings, Lithuanian nobles, Teutonic Order and German nobility, Swedes, Russian Empire). No monumental architecture, philosophy or literature. No Roman occupation and remnants which would solidify their "Europeanness" the way it does in much of Europe, no history of their cultures ever having represented the dominant or at least regional powers in the their area. Just nothing.
Like as "ethnic groups", they were "owned" as property for even longer than slavery lasted in the European colonies in the Americas. Like I dunno, maybe over a thousand years of that does fuck with the cultural psyche a bit. It's kinda unprecedented (and fucked up) when you think about it.
>>2443114absolute kino
rip to the 104 DPRK servicemen who gave their lives fighting fascism and creating a better world for their people
>>2443114Imagine telling people 10 years ago Ukrainians would be fighting North Koreans in Kursk.
Wild times we live in.
>>2445089Russia aligns with and supplies Israel's primary regional adversary (Iran), and is in an open proxy-war with Israel's primary supplier and benefactor (USA-EU-NATO), who happens to also be Ukraine's primary supplier and benefactor.
I guess love comes in many forms.
Imperializzze deez nutz
>>2445118>There is no consistency to garden logic whatdidIexpect.gif
>>2445140Barrels with oil do explode like this, yeah. A lot of fire, not a lot of damage
Kind of reminiscent of Israeli attempts to scare Iranians by making agents burn tires to make a lot of smoke
>>2445149These are defensive North Koreans
Meaning: What the hell are you talking about
get it? "defensive weapon"
>>2445091Patrick is thinking in his head:
>Bro I almost got killed by an FPV drone a month ago we are in stalemate what the fuck are you talking about?You can see it in his eyes.
>>2445133Division of Labor.
Strategic Sequencing.
Continuity of Agenda.
Pivot to Asia.
>>2442015>The U.S. isn't fighting in Ukraine.
>With remarkable transparency, the Pentagon has offered a public inventory of the $66.5 billion array of weaponry supplied to Ukraine — including, at last count, more than a half-billion rounds of small-arms ammunition and grenades, 10,000 Javelin antiarmor weapons, 3,000 Stinger antiaircraft systems, 272 howitzers, 76 tanks, 40 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, 20 Mi-17 helicopters and three Patriot air defense batteries.>But a New York Times investigation reveals that America was woven into the war far more intimately and broadly than previously understood. >Side by side in Wiesbaden’s mission command center, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kyiv’s counteroffensives. A vast American intelligence-collection effort both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.>One European intelligence chief recalled being taken aback to learn how deeply enmeshed his N.A.T.O. counterparts had become in Ukrainian operations. “They are part of the kill chain now,” he said.>An early proof of concept was a campaign against one of Russia’s most-feared battle groups, the 58th Combined Arms Army. In mid-2022, using American intelligence and targeting information, the Ukrainians unleashed a rocket barrage at the headquarters of the 58th in the Kherson region>The Ukrainians sometimes saw the Americans as overbearing and controlling — the prototypical patronizing Americans. >The partnership operated in the shadow of deepest geopolitical fear >Time and again, the Biden administration authorized clandestine operations it had previously prohibited. American military advisers were dispatched to Kyiv and later allowed to travel closer to the fighting. Military and C.I.A. officers in Wiesbaden helped plan and support a campaign of Ukrainian strikes in Russian-annexed Crimea. Finally, the military and then the C.I.A. received the green light to enable pinpoint strikes deep inside Russia itself.>In some ways, Ukraine was, on a wider canvas, a rematch in a long history of U.S.-Russia proxy wars — Vietnam in the 1960s, Afghanistan in the 1980s, Syria three decades later.>To keep them talking, the Pentagon initiated an elaborate telephone tree: A Milley aide would call Maj. Gen. David S. Baldwin, commander of the California National Guard, who would ring a wealthy Los Angeles blimp maker named Igor Pasternak, who had grown up in Lviv with Oleksii Reznikov, then Ukraine’s defense minister. Mr. Reznikov would track down General Zaluzhny and tell him>Unless the coalition reoriented its own ambitions, General Donahue and the commander of U.S. Army Europe and Africa, Gen. Christopher G. Cavoli, concluded, the hopelessly outmanned and outgunned Ukrainians would lose the war. The coalition, in other words, would have to start providing heavy offensive weapons>The defense secretary, Lloyd J. Austin III, and General Milley had put the 18th Airborne in charge of delivering weapons and advising the Ukrainians on how to use them.When President Joseph R. Biden Jr. signed on to the M777s, the Tony Bass Auditorium became a full-fledged headquarters.>A Polish general became General Donahue’s deputy. A British general would manage the logistics hub on the former basketball court. A Canadian would oversee training.>The auditorium basement became what is known as a fusion center, producing intelligence about Russian battlefield positions, movements and intentions. There, according to intelligence officials, officers from the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency were joined by coalition intelligence officers.>The 18th Airborne is known as Dragon Corps; the new operation would be Task Force Dragon. >At an international conference on April 26 at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, General Milley introduced Mr. Reznikov and a Zaluzhny deputy to Generals Cavoli and Donahue. “These are your guys right here,”>“You can ‘Slava Ukraini’ all you want with other people. I don’t care how brave you are. Look at the numbers.” He then walked them through a plan to win a battlefield advantage by fall, General Zabrodskyi recalled.>The first stage was underway — training Ukrainian artillery men on their new M777s. Task Force Dragon would then help them use the weapons to halt the Russian advance. >intelligence officers, operational planners, communications and fire-control specialists — began arriving in Wiesbaden. Every morning, officers recalled, the Ukrainians and Americans gathered to survey Russian weapons systems and ground forces and determine the ripest, highest-value targets. >Given the delicacy of the mission, was it unduly provocative to call targets “targets”?>Some officers thought “targets” was appropriate. Others called them “intel tippers,” because the Russians were often moving and the information would need verification on the ground.>The debate was settled by Maj. Gen. Timothy D. Brown, European Command’s intelligence chief: The locations of Russian forces would be “points of interest.” Intelligence on airborne threats would be “tracks of interest.”>“If you ever get asked the question, ‘Did you pass a target to the Ukrainians?’ you can legitimately not be lying when you say, ‘No, I did not,’” one U.S. official explained.>The way the system worked, Task Force Dragon would tell the Ukrainians where Russians were positioned. But to protect intelligence sources and methods from Russian spies, it would not say how it knew what it knew. All the Ukrainians would see on a secure cloud were chains of coordinates, divided into baskets — Priority 1, Priority 2 and so on. As General Zabrodskyi remembers it, when the Ukrainians asked why they should trust the intelligence, General Donahue would say: “Don’t worry about how we found out. Just trust that when you shoot, it will hit it, and you’ll like the results, and if you don’t like the results, tell us, we’ll make it better.”https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.htmlhttps://archive.ph/QN48j >>2445667>They don't have the ability to enforce regime change in Kyiv.I mean realistically, they have had the chance to effect regime change in the UK
and Ukraine at the same time several times back then on BoJo's walks around Kiev.
The RF could put those fancy missiles to leveling the Rada, residences and vaporizing every friend and family and asset of people in power until they are no longer in power, or no longer in Ukraine. Rather than raining Oreshnik space garbage whereverthefuck. and playing whack-a-mole with random power plants,transformers and train stations across all of Ukraine.A couple of those salvos, targetted exclusiely at Kiev, and helped by their other modern missiles would set much of the city on fire. From then the cost goes down to keep it unlivable.
ALAS the RF are very much in solidarity with their liberal counterparts across the conflict. So they'll keep trading soldiers in the meat-grinder as long as the ruling class thinks it will come on top in the end.
>>2445667>And what is victory defined as here?Achievement of all their previously stated objectives. Four oblasts, no nato, Ukrainian neutrality, etc.
>They don't have the ability to enforce regime change in Kyiv.Yeah, sure.
>>2445522oh, sure, sure, no one will ever ask to ever increase more sanctions on Russian oil.
you'll run to scream out of your lungs in all social media that the west should lift the sanctions because of that.
delusional troll.
>>2445762All those words of cope are countered by air defence.
>>2445764And how do you expect this to happen? Just by magic?
>>2445598>uk's finances in such dire straits that they might have to go to imf for bailoutimagine that, the US lending more money to the UK. another plan marshall for the insane Europe.
mfw
>Russians appear to have consolidated breakthrough north of pokrovskbased.
>ukr forces will not be allowed to withdraw from orekhovoof.
>>it was putin that ordered the rus mil to cease fire on second day of smo when zelensky appeared ready to capitulatelmao.
>>2445768>How many levels of delusion do you have to be on to think that Ukrainians don't want to be conscripted, because Ukraine was winning too fast?Something that seems to be happening with greater and greater frequency is that in its conversation with itself, the west for ideological or whatever other reasons can't or won't deal with real, root problems, and so you'll have thinkers and think pieces offering up absurd bullshit like this.
The same process is going on with the Democrats right now. After losing the last election they've basically been in a state of shock. They don't understand what happened or why, and the reasoning that the party leadership seem to have selected is that wokeness lost them the election. They're throwing all their minority constituencies under the bus, because otherwise they'd have to piss off all the powerful people that run, fund, and think for the party.
So I suspect the same thing is happening here. They can't admit that Ukrainian men don't want to volunteer to man a foxhole that's also the toilet they'll have to sleep and fight in on the frontlinen of an unwinnable war with no equipment or training, so instead they just shrug their shoulders. "I guess no one prepared them for this. It's no one’s fault, really."
>>2445889It's like we're in January 1945 and you're insisting the US isn't winning the war in the Pacific because Japan hasn't surrendered yet.
Keep holding on to that cope I guess. Banzai!
>>2445997No this was the “modern monetary theory” cope of American Keynesians. America is already having to resort to extortion to extract wealth from its financial colonies (everyone), so that Trump can blow it trying to win the next election and deploy the military internally.
Most of the stock/bond market is basically in shock and don’t think he will actually blow up the global economy. Which I think is as pure a cope as those who didn’t believe Hitler was going to start a world war.
The only reason things haven’t collapsed already is that the American government spent generations training European etc elites into subservience.
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