>>2442564well you are halfway there because you at least say it is NATO v Russia, but somehow neglect how that effects Iran, China, what that means for Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, how that in turn effects Brasil, Vietnam, Nigeria, Burkina Faso, what it will mean for the rest of the world that the premier imperialist power is exposed as a paper tiger and how NATO as a whole is incapable of production
>>2442909Well, fishing rights can be existential to an impoverished fisher. That's one thing. I suppose you talk of a dispute like between EU and UK, which has a zero chance of going nuclear (well, technically, you know, the chance is never zero).
The larger issue I think is that if you want a picture of the future, I can tell you, while I do not claim to have any special ability of seeing.
It will however look quite a lot like this. A lot of talking NATO back from the brink, calmly, reasonably, non-confrontationally ("let's get you to bed") even. So, you may not like it but you may dislike the alternative even more. The future will be what I described or it will be "nothing", a radioactive wasteland.
>>2442943I've understood that Russia seeks to end this conflict via diplomacy since they tried to prevent it using diplomacy and that has framed my perception of the war since.
It's more the theatre that comes out of that method when Trump is indulging for optics that gets tiring, I ironically prefer the Biden days where the US was demanding, in the face of calls for diplomacy, essentially total hohol death and if Ukrainians get exterminated via that attitude then that's Russia's doing! btw we're giving Ukraine more weapons and more escalatory permissions on how to use them.
>>2443001I'm more interested in the music and think it's a more important aspect of war than one might think. Armies have usually got into battle to the sound of drums.
There's also stuff like "Bakhmut Fortress" on the Ukrainian side. They lost that battle but those guys put their feels into the song. It's why I wanted to emphasize that DPR/LPR stuff because people's hearts were in that, because they're from there. Also think that was a local theatre company and it has soul. It's like the vibe that Givi had. The Kremlin smothers everything for the generic Creed-style stuff about being patriotic and so on. Maybe there is some Russian stuff with more grit that I haven't seen.
>>2442956>>2442909Honesty and integrity in relations is solely the domain of fiction. Nobody is going to stand up and admit anything, or talk about things with the weight they deserve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbmDLVFAaecAll you will get in real life is gaslighting, lies, and veiled threats, and you will like it.
>>2443024>Maybe there is some Russian stuff with more grit that I haven't seen.This for Russians is a continuation of the repeated attempts by western Europeans to attack and invade Russia, so really take your pick of Russian or Soviet songs on the topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPeriSAdum0&list=RDTPeriSAdum0&start_radio=1Is my favourite and no less relevant tbh
>>2443029>I mean stuff being made now.Again, this conflict isn't a new one as far as Russians are concerned. That Ukrainians and the Luganskians and Donbassians have to come up with songs for this particular conflict is a result of none having much in the way of historical independent importance, which to be sure is more insulting for the Ukrainians.
Actually we've not posted enough Red Army songs ITT for a while, my second favourite will label me as a basic bitch, you all know it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLg83QMmlGs&list=RDMLg83QMmlGs&start_radio=1 It's the thing westerners don't really understand about the conflict, they feel they can draw a line in the sand and suggest this is different from Napoleon and Hitler's bids to invade and conquer Russia, that unlike those dictators the current crop of NATO leaders are nothing like the imperial leaders who tried to intervene in the Russian Civil War on the side of the whites.
It's the most bizarre thing to me tbh, in the west you can find all sorts of apology for slavery, anti-semitism, colonialism, imperialism, genocide, etc and you will find girls with blue hair and men with hair buns willing to denigrate it all at the expense of their nations, but absolutely nada for the west's history with Russia, the assertion that Russia was as harsh with Estonia as the entirety of Europe was with the entirety of Africa means Russia is exempt from standard shitlib we're-super-sowwy-for-invading-ya shit
>>2443049>But the Novorossiyans are riffing on Great Patriotic War themes while the Russians aren't inventing new Great Patriotic War themes at all just using the same ones!<Oh btw here is an unrelated meme song sung by the Russian army for lolsunreleated
Wow they also sang Skyfall, are they simps for MI5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F832ZZNRV0&list=RD-F832ZZNRV0&start_radio=1 >>2443054French presidents to this day visit the tomb of Napoleon and expect Russia to be cordial.
Poland will literally never apologize for the Polish Intervention, the darkest chapter of Russia's entire history. Its akin to Germany never apologizing for the darkest chapter of Polish history, which was under the Generalgovernment.
Russia has every reason to despise the West and refuse it.
>>2443090Yeah I'm not big on the Russian war music scene but your point was "why aren't Russians writing music with the ferocity of the Ukrainians and Novorossiyans" and my answer is that they don't need to because this is just Europe attacking Russia again and there are already songs written about that.
Just confront that fact rather than giving me this "yeah but actually there is SOME contemporary music"
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-82225-peace-talks-unravel?
>Also came the news—referenced by Steve Bannon in the earlier video—that a Russian hacking collective allegedly hacked Ukrainian General Staff databases to reveal 1.7 million KIA and missing soldiers. They posted a handful of documents as proof, with claims that the lists contained all missing and liquidated soldiers:
>Many reacted with outright skepticism at the number, and for good reason. It does seem hard to believe, however just as food for thought, recall that it was Zelensky himself who gave Ukraine’s mobilization figures as roughly 30,000 per month in each year of the war thus far:
>Just taking 30k multiplied by the 41 months of the war, we get ~1.2 million. But you must add that to the 1m or so that Ukraine was said to have started the war with after the first initial mass call-up of reservists, which added to the already several-hundred-thousand-strong Ukrainian army at the time. With those you get 2.2m, from which we can subtract Ukraine’s current claimed strength of anywhere between 600k - 1m, and get somewhere between 1.2m to 1.6m that are “missing”, which seems to match up with the figures from the Russian hack.
>However, recall that even if the AFU has lost 1.4m or so—taking the middle number—those would be irrecoverable losses which includes both KIA and seriously wounded or maimed. Given that the ratio between these is usually 1:1 or a bit higher for the maimed in most wars, we can then assume 700k or so would be killed and another 700k maimed, which is likely closer to the real Ukrainian losses.
>However, we must not forget desertions, of which even Ukrainian authorities claim are something north of 200,000+ since the start of the conflict. You can shift it down to 600k killed, 600k maimed, and 200k deserted. Although, keep in mind the desertion figures simply count initial desertions but don’t include the fact that many if not most of those desertions end up being brought back, whether by force or by their own choice. It’s a known phenomenon in the AFU that a huge portion of deserters go AWOL to “take a break” and then return on their own after several weeks or longer.
>This news also happens to come a mere couple days after another exchange of bodies took place where Russia again returned 1,000 deceased AFU soldiers, and Ukraine returned 19 Russian ones. Make of that what you will.
>Most will continue the cliche about “Russia is advancing so it’s gathering more corpses”, yet oddly enough, each time Ukraine massively advanced, like in the Kursk and Zaporozhye offensives, the body exchanges did not disproportionately favor Ukraine…why is that?
>Well, it seems on the Zaporozhye offensive it actually slightly did, but something drastically changed after that. >>2443106Ukraine already launched the invasion, it's why Russia recognized Donbas and Lugansk.
Just like Georgia and Chechnya, Russia did not start this.
>>2443766>incomingSo how long were you in a coma. Welcome back!
One might also say, it never ended. Amerikkka and its "allies" have not been twiddling their thumbs, waiting for a challenge. They have been proactive, destroying, plundering.
>>2443694Same problem as all other tanks. It's designed for 20th century tank duels and defending against ATGMs. It will still get at least mission killed by a suicide drone hitting the turret.
Much cheaper to just send T-72 or even T-62/T-55.
The Armata was designed to fight wars like Chechnya or Syria where the extra expense was worth protecting the crew.
>>2443114Heroes:
>>2442296May the lives lost serve as a potent reminder of the indomitable resistance that awaits any imperial ambitions over the DPRK.
>>2443910>>2443888This is basically also what the balts and poles fear. Germany is still the potential powerhouse and prime mover of the continent if you ignore Russia. Russia and Germany getting along very quickly gets into them agreeing how to carve them up economically, politically and militarily. Not even in some purposeful and aggressive way, but just by the logic of how such New-Europe would function. That's why balts are so insistent on conflict and nato and American presence. They won't have a country if western Europe gets to follow it's path of least resistance and integrate with Russia. They need a non European power with non-european interests to be in charge of Europe for them to not stop existing.
Balts are in a sense geopolitically artificial countries. They only popped up first in the chaos of Russian civil war, just to get reintegrated back to russia, the recarved out from again russia in the chaos and CIA fuckery of the 90s, and sustained by the American unipolar moment. To them russofobia is not just a shitty attitude or populist trope, it's a the powering force of the continuation of baltic statehood. A constant fight to not not get politically, culturally, economically and military reabsorbed, powered by culture of victimhood and butthurt.
>>2443869This is simply the "tails you lose" of the
<Heads I win>Tails you loseShit sandwich by which the EU presents their merger with NATO as adversarial towards Trump. They literally act more subservient than ever, but in an incongruent tone and call it done. They are basically agreeing to do austerity forever, sell their economies for parts and hand the USA the remainsders of control over their trade to subsidize US hegemony. And somehow they say all of this to one's face but then add "to spite Trump" at the end and the average liberal creams their pants and makes another mental note to be more like the US Democrats.
If the US is getting Brazil-ifed, western euros are all becoming USA-nized. The media can barely pretend to be separated form the US culture war by a fucking ocean. We even get Mamdani slop, and report on various shit like murders or floods of the USa while ignoring our own. It's like the Summer of Floyd/BLM every fucking day. Fucking hell USAnos, press the red button already.
>>2443694tested, not deployed, unnecessarily expensive.
T-90 chad stays winning.
>>2443040>Self-determinationI don't.
>Ukrainian """self-determination"""Reactionary
>Palestinian """self-determination""" (aka you will live in a bantustan ran by bourg/sheikh funded compradors, be prohibited from leaving, own nothing, and be happy)Also reactionary.
Pic rel is the only kind of emancipation (specifically during the era of South African Apartheid) the bourgeoisie actually fear.
Zionist do not fear a two state solution, they've always feared a one state solution (except one where they get to genocide every Arab).
The growing demands for emancipation and citizenship in the Gaza strip let to unilateral engagement twenty years ago. The Zionists could have eliminated Hamas and empowered the PA in 2007, but that would have meant a less disorganized more respectable opposition to their racist genocidal Zionist project. (Similar to how South African white nationalists preferred for the bantustans to be run by kleptocratic nepotistic kapos who would violently suppress groups like the ANC and in some cases refused to be peacefully re-integrated into South Africa)
The only non-reactionary stance for an occupied people living under apartheid/settler colonialism is full emancipation, including citizenship, freedom of movement and political rights. Especially if they constitute the majority in their own lands.
>>2443991>Zionist do not fear a two state solution, they've always feared a one state solutionthe problem with the 2-state solution is that if they were to allow such a state to exist, it's a threat to them by different factors, but mainly:
Arabs procreate twice, thrice faster.
If zios allow one inch, then the other side will ask for more.
>>2444044Which is exactly why they should be forced to swallow "Palestine" whole. Just like the ANC for decades opposed the bantustan system, and demanded full emancipation and abolition of apartheid in all of South Africa.
This will destroy the Zionist project, or result in haphazard unilateral disengagement.
Pushing for the "recognition" of a "two-state" solution is like demanding the recognition of the Bantustans before 1990. As opposed to simply the non-recognition of either of the two. I.e. the official stance of many Arab state (non-recognition of Israel, only recognizing Palestine) is still somewhat progressive because it demands a one-state solution.
Recognizing both on the other hand is reactionary. Full citizenship for Palestinians is the fastest way to end the restrictions on movement and the economic blockade of Gaza and parts of areas A and B of the West Bank.
>>2444070And it took 3 years of war in ukraine to finally mobilize 60yo boomers to the front lines.
imagine how incompetent zelya is, that he refused over the years to send the most precious military asset to the front lines.
gimme 10 of those pensioners, I'll be in Kamchatka by the end of the month.
>>2444064problem is, I don't think Palestinians can afford to do that, while the rest of the Arabs are the same way.
I am not too familiar with the ANC events, but I am pretty sure they weren't surrounded by reactionary monarchies. And I've seen some Palestinians TikTok accounts, and many of them explicitly state that they want to go to countries like Qatar or UAE. Literally the two puppet states that restored diplomatic relations with Israel. for what? to align all the middle east against Iran. complicated stuff, complicated stuff.
>>2443888Germany lost to Soviet technology.
>>2443949I don't think you understand just how much of a non-factor the butthurt belt is. Do these countries have a single percent of the influence AIPAC has in Washington? They don't, the relationship between the butthurt belt and USA is entirely one-sided. These countries are deindustrialized husks that primarily serve the purpose of supplying cheap labor to west european capital. East european liberals are not subjects at all.
>>2443812In Western discourse it was common to say a war with North Korea would be a pushover because their soldiers would see a hot dog stand or Gamestop or whatever and give up. Then the reports from the Ukrainian side in this war is that, no, the North Koreans are tough as nails, have great endurance and are fitter than typical Russian soldiers, and are good shots too.
>>2443991>Pic rel is the only kind of emancipation (specifically during the era of South African Apartheid) the bourgeoisie actually fear. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! It's like hacking their own system. They're like oh shit oh no oh fuck. Can't you like, fight us instead? They don't like a two-state solution though either, but yes. Or I dunno.
more about "Serhii K."
>"A Ukrainian man allegedly involved in the 2022 attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines was arrested in Italy on Wednesday. ARD , Süddeutsche Zeitung, and "Zeit" now have access to the arrest warrant against the man. According to the arrest warrant, Serhii K. is said to have boarded the previously rented sailboat in Wiek on the island of Rügen in early September 2022.
>K. was tasked with coordinating the operation and leading the sabotage team, which allegedly consisted of a skipper, four divers, and an explosives expert. It goes on to say that the suspected saboteurs had planted at least four explosive devices, each weighing 14 to 27 kilograms, on the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines at a depth of approximately 70 to 80 meters. The explosives were a mixture of hexogen (RDX) and octogen (HMX), and the bombs were allegedly equipped with time fuses.
>According to investigators from the Federal Criminal Police Office and the Federal Police, Serhii K. allegedly disembarked from the sailing yacht in Wiek on September 22nd and was picked up by a driver and taken back to Ukraine. Other suspects then reportedly returned to Hohe Düne near Warnemünde, where the "Andromeda" had previously been rented."
the west paving the road to ditch ukraine.
> About aerial reconnaissance
> In the coming months, aerial reconnaissance as a type of systemic activity may cease to exist.
> In the reconnaissance-strike contour of operational-tactical depth, the key word is precisely "reconnaissance." Without visual confirmation of a target, almost no one ever flies out to strike it, and searching for a target with a strike asset is practiced very rarely.
> At present, almost along the entire front line, the enemy is deploying a layered line of FPV-interceptors, creating so-called "kill zones," which sometimes extend 15–20 km deep into enemy territory. All reconnaissance aircraft attempting to fly there during the day are very likely to be shot down. For now, they are not systematically shot down at night, but this is only a matter of time. Climbing higher (to 4,000–5,000 meters) also produces no result; the enemy has learned to shoot down there as well. Conducting "sector reconnaissance" in most directions is now impossible.
> There are areas on certain axes where, during the daytime, no one even tries to put wings into the sky anymore, understanding that they will be shot down, and this creates a vacuum for enemy maneuvers.
> This is the systemic result of the work of the Russian "Rubikon Center for Advanced Drone Technologies" and their mobile fire groups.
> Reconnaissance of the forward edge, the line of contact, will remain; it is almost impossible to suppress it.
> But operational-tactical level reconnaissance is gradually disappearing and requires a breakthrough revolutionary counter-solution. If none is found, then with the growing mass use of Rubikon in the sectors, and with traditionally poor autumn weather, aerial reconnaissance will cease to be regular.
> What might these solutions be? Casual observers mention "mini-EW" on reconnaissance drones, an "evader system" (when, upon detection of an enemy interceptor, the wing sharply performs maneuvers that reduce the chance of being hit), flights at high altitude.
> These are crutches, which will be easily countered technologically.
> So far there is no solution. And finding that solution is the number one task for manufacturing companies and for many military R&D centers. If no solution is found, in the next spring campaign it will be very difficult for us.
> The time for gigantic, expensive reconnaissance aircraft for huge sums is unambiguously over. Depth will be covered by "photowings," Leleka M2, Hory, Vectors, Domakhas, and Shark-D.
> Let me remind you that it was precisely we who first came up with the mass use of FPV-interceptors against reconnaissance wings, faced with a huge influx of enemy wings and the lack of sufficient SAM systems to shoot them down.
> We will also have to find countermeasures to this. Because there will not be enough drones for everyone.
< -Serafym Hordiienko, drone crew commander of the 14th Separate Regiment -
>>2443949>PicBalts, specifically Latvians and Estonians, strike me as a culturally insecure people with a deep inferiority complex. It's not like the Lithuanians where Lithuanian nobles owned half of Eastern Europe at one point.
It reminds me a bit of Indian nationalists, but then India does have a "grand" history with many of its past states and cultures forming powerful, advanced and renowned civilizations at one point. That modern Indian nationalist can "claim" as their heritage.
Latvians and Estonians on the other hand, during the overwhelming bulk of European history, were, in grand scheme of things, a whole load of… nothing. Occasionally hunted as slaves or forcibly converted, then spend the better part of almost a thousand years as a slave/serf/servant caste for neighboring states (Vikings, Lithuanian nobles, Teutonic Order and German nobility, Swedes, Russian Empire). No monumental architecture, philosophy or literature. No Roman occupation and remnants which would solidify their "Europeanness" the way it does in much of Europe, no history of their cultures ever having represented the dominant or at least regional powers in the their area. Just nothing.
Like as "ethnic groups", they were "owned" as property for even longer than slavery lasted in the European colonies in the Americas. Like I dunno, maybe over a thousand years of that does fuck with the cultural psyche a bit. It's kinda unprecedented (and fucked up) when you think about it.
>>2443114absolute kino
rip to the 104 DPRK servicemen who gave their lives fighting fascism and creating a better world for their people
>>2443114Imagine telling people 10 years ago Ukrainians would be fighting North Koreans in Kursk.
Wild times we live in.
>>2445089Russia aligns with and supplies Israel's primary regional adversary (Iran), and is in an open proxy-war with Israel's primary supplier and benefactor (USA-EU-NATO), who happens to also be Ukraine's primary supplier and benefactor.
I guess love comes in many forms.
Imperializzze deez nutz
>>2445118>There is no consistency to garden logic whatdidIexpect.gif
>>2445140Barrels with oil do explode like this, yeah. A lot of fire, not a lot of damage
Kind of reminiscent of Israeli attempts to scare Iranians by making agents burn tires to make a lot of smoke
>>2445149These are defensive North Koreans
Meaning: What the hell are you talking about
get it? "defensive weapon"
>>2445091Patrick is thinking in his head:
>Bro I almost got killed by an FPV drone a month ago we are in stalemate what the fuck are you talking about?You can see it in his eyes.
>>2445133Division of Labor.
Strategic Sequencing.
Continuity of Agenda.
Pivot to Asia.
>>2442015>The U.S. isn't fighting in Ukraine.
>With remarkable transparency, the Pentagon has offered a public inventory of the $66.5 billion array of weaponry supplied to Ukraine — including, at last count, more than a half-billion rounds of small-arms ammunition and grenades, 10,000 Javelin antiarmor weapons, 3,000 Stinger antiaircraft systems, 272 howitzers, 76 tanks, 40 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, 20 Mi-17 helicopters and three Patriot air defense batteries.>But a New York Times investigation reveals that America was woven into the war far more intimately and broadly than previously understood. >Side by side in Wiesbaden’s mission command center, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kyiv’s counteroffensives. A vast American intelligence-collection effort both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.>One European intelligence chief recalled being taken aback to learn how deeply enmeshed his N.A.T.O. counterparts had become in Ukrainian operations. “They are part of the kill chain now,” he said.>An early proof of concept was a campaign against one of Russia’s most-feared battle groups, the 58th Combined Arms Army. In mid-2022, using American intelligence and targeting information, the Ukrainians unleashed a rocket barrage at the headquarters of the 58th in the Kherson region>The Ukrainians sometimes saw the Americans as overbearing and controlling — the prototypical patronizing Americans. >The partnership operated in the shadow of deepest geopolitical fear >Time and again, the Biden administration authorized clandestine operations it had previously prohibited. American military advisers were dispatched to Kyiv and later allowed to travel closer to the fighting. Military and C.I.A. officers in Wiesbaden helped plan and support a campaign of Ukrainian strikes in Russian-annexed Crimea. Finally, the military and then the C.I.A. received the green light to enable pinpoint strikes deep inside Russia itself.>In some ways, Ukraine was, on a wider canvas, a rematch in a long history of U.S.-Russia proxy wars — Vietnam in the 1960s, Afghanistan in the 1980s, Syria three decades later.>To keep them talking, the Pentagon initiated an elaborate telephone tree: A Milley aide would call Maj. Gen. David S. Baldwin, commander of the California National Guard, who would ring a wealthy Los Angeles blimp maker named Igor Pasternak, who had grown up in Lviv with Oleksii Reznikov, then Ukraine’s defense minister. Mr. Reznikov would track down General Zaluzhny and tell him>Unless the coalition reoriented its own ambitions, General Donahue and the commander of U.S. Army Europe and Africa, Gen. Christopher G. Cavoli, concluded, the hopelessly outmanned and outgunned Ukrainians would lose the war. The coalition, in other words, would have to start providing heavy offensive weapons>The defense secretary, Lloyd J. Austin III, and General Milley had put the 18th Airborne in charge of delivering weapons and advising the Ukrainians on how to use them.When President Joseph R. Biden Jr. signed on to the M777s, the Tony Bass Auditorium became a full-fledged headquarters.>A Polish general became General Donahue’s deputy. A British general would manage the logistics hub on the former basketball court. A Canadian would oversee training.>The auditorium basement became what is known as a fusion center, producing intelligence about Russian battlefield positions, movements and intentions. There, according to intelligence officials, officers from the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency were joined by coalition intelligence officers.>The 18th Airborne is known as Dragon Corps; the new operation would be Task Force Dragon. >At an international conference on April 26 at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, General Milley introduced Mr. Reznikov and a Zaluzhny deputy to Generals Cavoli and Donahue. “These are your guys right here,”>“You can ‘Slava Ukraini’ all you want with other people. I don’t care how brave you are. Look at the numbers.” He then walked them through a plan to win a battlefield advantage by fall, General Zabrodskyi recalled.>The first stage was underway — training Ukrainian artillery men on their new M777s. Task Force Dragon would then help them use the weapons to halt the Russian advance. >intelligence officers, operational planners, communications and fire-control specialists — began arriving in Wiesbaden. Every morning, officers recalled, the Ukrainians and Americans gathered to survey Russian weapons systems and ground forces and determine the ripest, highest-value targets. >Given the delicacy of the mission, was it unduly provocative to call targets “targets”?>Some officers thought “targets” was appropriate. Others called them “intel tippers,” because the Russians were often moving and the information would need verification on the ground.>The debate was settled by Maj. Gen. Timothy D. Brown, European Command’s intelligence chief: The locations of Russian forces would be “points of interest.” Intelligence on airborne threats would be “tracks of interest.”>“If you ever get asked the question, ‘Did you pass a target to the Ukrainians?’ you can legitimately not be lying when you say, ‘No, I did not,’” one U.S. official explained.>The way the system worked, Task Force Dragon would tell the Ukrainians where Russians were positioned. But to protect intelligence sources and methods from Russian spies, it would not say how it knew what it knew. All the Ukrainians would see on a secure cloud were chains of coordinates, divided into baskets — Priority 1, Priority 2 and so on. As General Zabrodskyi remembers it, when the Ukrainians asked why they should trust the intelligence, General Donahue would say: “Don’t worry about how we found out. Just trust that when you shoot, it will hit it, and you’ll like the results, and if you don’t like the results, tell us, we’ll make it better.”https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.htmlhttps://archive.ph/QN48j >>2445667>They don't have the ability to enforce regime change in Kyiv.I mean realistically, they have had the chance to effect regime change in the UK
and Ukraine at the same time several times back then on BoJo's walks around Kiev.
The RF could put those fancy missiles to leveling the Rada, residences and vaporizing every friend and family and asset of people in power until they are no longer in power, or no longer in Ukraine. Rather than raining Oreshnik space garbage whereverthefuck. and playing whack-a-mole with random power plants,transformers and train stations across all of Ukraine.A couple of those salvos, targetted exclusiely at Kiev, and helped by their other modern missiles would set much of the city on fire. From then the cost goes down to keep it unlivable.
ALAS the RF are very much in solidarity with their liberal counterparts across the conflict. So they'll keep trading soldiers in the meat-grinder as long as the ruling class thinks it will come on top in the end.
>>2445667>And what is victory defined as here?Achievement of all their previously stated objectives. Four oblasts, no nato, Ukrainian neutrality, etc.
>They don't have the ability to enforce regime change in Kyiv.Yeah, sure.
>>2445522oh, sure, sure, no one will ever ask to ever increase more sanctions on Russian oil.
you'll run to scream out of your lungs in all social media that the west should lift the sanctions because of that.
delusional troll.
>>2445762All those words of cope are countered by air defence.
>>2445764And how do you expect this to happen? Just by magic?
>>2445598>uk's finances in such dire straits that they might have to go to imf for bailoutimagine that, the US lending more money to the UK. another plan marshall for the insane Europe.
mfw
>Russians appear to have consolidated breakthrough north of pokrovskbased.
>ukr forces will not be allowed to withdraw from orekhovoof.
>>it was putin that ordered the rus mil to cease fire on second day of smo when zelensky appeared ready to capitulatelmao.
>>2445768>How many levels of delusion do you have to be on to think that Ukrainians don't want to be conscripted, because Ukraine was winning too fast?Something that seems to be happening with greater and greater frequency is that in its conversation with itself, the west for ideological or whatever other reasons can't or won't deal with real, root problems, and so you'll have thinkers and think pieces offering up absurd bullshit like this.
The same process is going on with the Democrats right now. After losing the last election they've basically been in a state of shock. They don't understand what happened or why, and the reasoning that the party leadership seem to have selected is that wokeness lost them the election. They're throwing all their minority constituencies under the bus, because otherwise they'd have to piss off all the powerful people that run, fund, and think for the party.
So I suspect the same thing is happening here. They can't admit that Ukrainian men don't want to volunteer to man a foxhole that's also the toilet they'll have to sleep and fight in on the frontlinen of an unwinnable war with no equipment or training, so instead they just shrug their shoulders. "I guess no one prepared them for this. It's no one’s fault, really."
>>2445889It's like we're in January 1945 and you're insisting the US isn't winning the war in the Pacific because Japan hasn't surrendered yet.
Keep holding on to that cope I guess. Banzai!
>>2445997No this was the “modern monetary theory” cope of American Keynesians. America is already having to resort to extortion to extract wealth from its financial colonies (everyone), so that Trump can blow it trying to win the next election and deploy the military internally.
Most of the stock/bond market is basically in shock and don’t think he will actually blow up the global economy. Which I think is as pure a cope as those who didn’t believe Hitler was going to start a world war.
The only reason things haven’t collapsed already is that the American government spent generations training European etc elites into subservience.
>>2445929So … nothing? You can't even write one achievement after 3.5 years?
I'll give you one. The invaders control less land than they did in 2022.
Is going backwards an achievement?
>>2445944Ukraine uses defence in depth. They allow Russia to advance continuously into no man's land and drones them as they do so. The invading army barely see any combat action because the Ukrainians are far enough back to avoid shelling. Russian soldiers confirm this themselves online on VK and TG.
What's the evidence that Ukraine's logistics are breaking down in 2025 as opposed to any other year when Ukraine was about to collapse after losing X irrelevant town?
>>2445948Accurate.
>>2446143holy trvthnvke
ziggers destroyed by fax and logic
ukraine is nowhere close to losing
cucktin has even agreed to security guarantees for ukraine he knows he's not in a position to take the country
>>2446143>You can't even write one achievement after 3.5 years?Ukraine isn't in NATO and they've not taken back the DPR or LPR by force, with Ukraine's allies now and then suggesting at least those regions plus Crimea ought to be surrendered.
Nice attempt to hyperfixate on "but whatabout Russia's goals hmm?" when this conflict entirely revolves around Ukraine's ambitions for A. being a bastion for fascism for all of Europe's far-right, B. integrating with the imperialist bloc and C. trying to impose Ukrainian nationalism against people that are not Ukrainian but happen to be caught within in the 1991 borders that Ukraine got by happenstance. Russia doesn't become the instigator because they eventually intervened directly.
Ukraine are paying the price for goals A , B and C and it seems like they're going to achieve none of them, except maybe A in some underground way. Probably in Canada.
>>2446163>Ukraine isn't in NATO and they've not taken back the DPR or LPR by force, with Ukraine's allies now and then suggesting at least those regions plus Crimea ought to be surrendered.Well good. I'm glad you're being realistic. The great Russian achievement appears to be that Ukraine is territorially in a similar position to 2022 and these 3.5 years haven't hindered the Ukrainian military nor her people's resolve.
Maybe these behind the scenes conversations with Ukraine's "allies" you refer to will add up to something. But until they do, Russia's military has no ability to force Ukraine to concede.
Nazi A (NATO+) and Nazi B (their battered broxy, aka The Borderlands) do not really, fundamentally align either. If you cannot see how this inevitably blows up (you see the end is already apparent in the beginning, real advanced marxist scrying), I cannot help you. The ukraine would (presumably, this is my assumption, I know) like to continue existing. The imperialist masters would like to use their battering ram for all it's worth, until it's in pieces. Upon which, of course, you know this script, it will be discarded. Forgotten. Real tragic, shame what happened to them. Oh well, onto the next victim. To the last…
Final victory, Endsieg, as the OGs called it.
>>2446172>fundamental reassessment>fundamentalFundamental sounds scary. This is not your regular (structural) readjustment. There is something more fundamental that need correction.
Massacre the old, the poor and the huddled masses.
>>2446174Banger. One note, they could have gone harder. I think that is a bit moderate.
But, ya know, captain hindsight
>>2446192>>2446197Why are you crying? The initial conversation was about whether Russia was "winning" and what that is defined as. If you define it as loosely as Ukraine not in NATO, you may as well declare victory because today is a Monday and tomorrow shall be Tuesday. Eternal peremoga!
If you want to engage in the substance, explain how this weak military could actually deliver regime change on a mobilised, motivated and resistant Ukrainian population who hate rossfascism.
>>2446201>The initial conversation was about whether Russia was "winning" and what that is defined as.And the point I'm making is that framing it as though the conflict is more about Russia winning than it is about Ukraine winning is a fallacy. Russia are intervening in a conflict Ukraine started with very explicit goals and thus "winning" for Russia is successfully preventing Ukraine from achieving its goals as previously described.
>If you define it as loosely as Ukraine not in NATO, you may as well declare victory because today is a Monday and tomorrow shall be Tuesday. Eternal peremoga!Sounds like you're crying tbh, Ukraine and NATO both stated that they desired Ukrainian membership and that Russia's opinion on that will not be considered, so not very loosely defined much less defined by myself.
>If you want to engage in the substance,There isn't any substance to engage with, you know that Ukraine set its victory conditions to full 1991 borders and you've instead loosely defined that to mean "preventing Russia from conquering all of Ukraine, any clay they don't capture is a victory" and "never surrender under any circumstance, to prove that Russia can't force a surrender out of Ukraine"
>explain how this weak military could actually deliver regime change on a mobilised, motivated and resistant Ukrainian population who hate rossfascism.Or rather you can perhaps explain how a resurrected state with its primary legacy being its assimilation into Poland and Russia can fail at all goals set out in 2014 at massive, suicidal cost to the population who need to be impressed upon about being Ukrainian after this conflict let alone the last 30 years, is
guaranteed to survive in the long term.
There's an arrogance here commonly displayed online when discussing the Ukrainian war by which your own mindcanon about what is humiliating for Russia is something that can answer for the remaining Ukrainian populations questions like
>Did my deceased dad REALLY have to go to Kursk?>Where do I now work? When will my former workplace be rebuilt?>My son just died stepping on a mine that was on land never touched by Russia, what are the plans to remove all of them?>But seriously, when do we join the EU?etc etc
>>2446204American empire was just Brittish empire v1.5
That might explain it, they drew mostly from the same well and had the same ideas, lead by a candidate branch of the the same anglo establishment together with old guard rom London. Empires after all die by falling on their own sword and what made them great, since at the end the sons can't imagine changing the true and tested formula of empire cooked up by their illustrious fathers even if all is going to shit. With American empire it was mostly the same engine of britbong empire with a new, sparkplugs, crankshaft and an oil change.
>>2446206Quite the yarn you have to weave to interpret the colossal failure as slowly winning but not really because they're behind their own 2022 line as well as stated war goals.
The best bit is the copium about Ukraine being an artificial state, as if that's somehow relevant and not equally as applicable, if not more applicable to the Muscovite state.
It is blatantly obvious to anyone who isn't using emoted reasoning that Russia isn't "winning" unless you produce an extremely diluted definition of such. Not only is this winning not taking place but it cannot take place with their current atrophied military strength.
Try again but this time mention Chinese volunteers appearing en masse out of nowhere. That would be a fun one to read.
>>2446242>Why are you crying>Quite the yarn you have to weaveIs there a reason why you seemingly must start your post with dumb quips like this? Is it to imply you're not getting flustered?
>colossal failure>No ackshually Russia is behind their own stated war goals!>No ackshually Russia is the artificial state!>It's blatantly obvious to anyone who isn't using emoted reasoning>extremely diluted definition of such>That would be a fun one to read.Kind of imply the opposite, just comes across as desperate to come out on top while avoiding engaging with my post.
Like what was substantial about that post? At what point are you saying something that isn't essentially just "No you're wrong"?
>>2446246You seem upset? I'm not sure why though
I just wanted to know the reasoning for how someone could reach the conclusion that Russia was winning but now I understand. Your definition of winning is meaningless so you can always believe that it's happening despite the reality on the ground.
Russia is behind its position in 2022 and none of its stated war goals have been achieved. But none of that matters because /chug/ transplants you can believe in fairytales.
>>2446254>You seem upset? I'm not sure why thoughYou couldn't avoid it even to make a point?
>Your definition of winning is meaningless so you can always believe that it's happening despite the reality on the ground.<Oh I get it, you're just wrongYou're genuinely an idiot if you're incapable of not just making the exact same post again lmao
>>2446281>Is there an adequate definition of winning that somehow includes losing hundreds of thousands of men for some villages?Precisely my point when it comes to Ukraine and their repeated victory goal of all 1991 borders. They're throwing at lot at that goal, but they're not achieving it.
>How do you make that count as a building block for Kyiv's imminent capture and regime change in Ukraine?Because if there is any truth to the recent claim of 1.7 million military deaths and MIAs for Kiev, then that's a pretty big expense for failure to recapture all of the 1991 borders which they've repeatedly stated was not just a military goal but a national goal as well. That the borders are the bedrock of Ukrainian nationhood.
Really, Kiev could have done with shutting the fuck up once in a while in order to not talk themselves into such zero sum game that they can and probably will lose, but it seems that comes with the territory of being a nafoid.
>>2446143>The invaders control less land than they did in 2022.2025-2023=?????
just in case, SMO goals never stated "x" area to control, it is you who obsessively change the goals, like CIA/FED OPED writers in FP, The Economist, NYT, etc. do.but your liquified nafo brain not only change conveniently the goals, also projects: WHO was the party of the conflict that set-up an impossible goal, a.k.a. "summer counteroffensive Crimea in 2023"? yes, your "winners".
go be a fed elsewhere >>2446615If what we're learning now is accurate then Bakhmut etc did lead to major collapses in the AFU. The casualties from Bakhmut, the counteroffensyiv, etc were so high that they had to press whoever they could grab just to keep the lines manned.
Early on you had commentators like Moon of Alabama doing the math and saying that the AFU churned through their numbers several times over and with these current leaks it's looking like they were entirely correct.
>>2446690>3 daysRepeated it again award. Was Mark Milley btw who came up with that.
The war started well over 10 years go as a "48 hour anti-terrorist operation".
Since then the definition of "winning" for Ukraine has grown ever narrower.
>Ukraine wins if Crimea is retaken, the LPR/DPR are toppled, Ukraine joins the EU and NATO, Putin is toppled, and Russia is forced to pay reparations followed by disarmament and dissolution>Ukraine wins if the Russian occupation doesn't expand further and Ukraine joins NATO>Ukraine wins if there is a ceasefire and peacekeepers and is at least allowed to join the EU>Ukraine wins if it survives as anything but a Russian puppet state and isn't completely land locked by the end of thisEtc.
>>2446615>Why is Pokrovsk significant in a way that Bakhmut and Avdeevka weren't? they are about the same in significance its just another city fortress but further back and one of the last in line, solidar and mariupol too
> Wasn't the capture of these towns meant to herald the imminent collapse of the AFU and the immediate fall of subsequent towns like Kramatorsk .etcyeah but it depends on what you mean by immediate its still gonna take a few months not hours or days
>>2446684>>2446690The European social contract has broken its back upon self inflicted austerity measures to fund Ukrainian armament. Supply-side disruption from imposed sanctions rocketed a tard gamshow host back to the white house on economic discontent. Alarms are now being raised over military stock depletion (and insufficient capacity for replenishment) for a flashpoint with China and Ukraine's future has been re-mortgaged to BlackRock. But internet posters cant dunk on you so its all worth it.
The margin of surplus value held in prole consumption and welfare spending that capital ever-increasingly needs for societal buy-in across the entire western political structure has been burned to hold Ukrainian villages for a few years longer. The trajectory of burger and euro political economies has been accelerated decades, now teetering from subsistence neoliberalism to laissez faire police states and the catalyst for this was donbass mudhuts.
The Atlantic hegemonic project could not economically survive defending Ukrainian villages but could not politically survive conceding them and admit to a receding frontier.
Just as strategically the defenders choice is a spectrum trade-off of land against casualties. This is downstream of the (self limited) neoliberal political spectrum trade-off of military capacity against welfare spending and it was a lose-lose. Versus a peripheral nat-bourg state that - enabled by their opponents weaknesses - has found a middle ground of profit:military-industrial capacity:welfare that is (at least) more sustainable than their opposition.
The arms of the metaphorical western body have broadly held the line but broken its spine to do so over villages and town that are worthless to take but victorious to hold.
>>2446775>skylinkYou mean Starlink? Wait, Ukraine is going to lose Starlink?
>Right-wing Polish President Karol Nawrocki on Monday vetoed a bill extending state financial support provided to Ukrainian refugees and unveiled plans to limit their future access to child benefits and healthcare.>However, Deputy Prime Minister and Digital Affairs Minister Krzysztof Gawkowski said the vetoed legislation also provided the legal basis for providing Starlink to Ukraine.Woah, woah, this could be big. Starlink is the actual thing keeping Ukraine in the war. Without it, the military will collapse. Probably won't, though, as another country could pay for it, I suppose.
>>2446748>I think nationalists have to kill zelya first, out of frustration or resentment.oh don't worry they're going to go on a whole spree of killing.
I only worry that they start international attacks against the workers of NATO countries after said countries populations no longer have the stomach for foreign wars and budgets decrease.
The Ukrainians who had been stuck in the buffer zone on the Russian-Georgian border and were returned home by the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry last week, were immediately taken to the military enlistment offices once back on home soil, one of the men has informed Novaya Gazeta Europe.
The unnamed man said he and the other Ukrainians were flown from Georgia to Moldova, and from there they were taken by bus to Ukraine. The entire group was then taken to the military enlistment office, he told Novaya Gazeta Europe.
He said that he was not allowed to go home and was immediately taken to enlist in the city of Kryvyi Rih, and from there for a medical examination in Dnipro. His relatives were not allowed to visit him. Most of the doctors marked the man as fit to serve, according to paperwork Novaya Europe has seen, though the man insists he has serious health problems.
“I don’t see at all through my right eye. … If I have to go and fight, I will, but at least let me get my affairs in order first,” he told Novaya Europe.
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/08/25/ukrainians-returned-from-georgian-border-say-they-were-taken-straight-to-military-enlistment-office-en-news>>2446172funding german welfare: not sustainable
funding ukraine: sustainable
>>2446216Disagree. Maybe in the Americas but the difference was the British Empire was mercantilist while the post-war American Empire was the completion of the bourgeois revolution globally. Finally bringing in the vast majority of the world population to the world market and an almost united capitalist class.
The problem was then the Bush regimes lack of diplomacy towards the Russians stalling the liberalisation of Russia and pushing the Russians back to a national bourgeois. And the return of national bourgeois sentiment in Russia in response to China’s surging growth without it having fully liberalised.
>>2447074yeah, this is just democrap talking points, when in fact the state doesn't have a major impact in the decisions, more so than they already did, because the military, the government and the politicians are on the same page.
if anything, this is just his attempt to consolidate the maga party into the state in a way he could finally become king trump, and forge the trump dynasty.
>>2447179Amrika is at serious risk of entering the cool zone (and on a shortened timeline, I mean everything is going better than expected). We can't really anticipate what the fuck they are gonna do. Mortally wounded beast doing dying animal things.
It would in any case just accelerate the inevitable (I must stress) development.
>>2447165TACO
Maybe Maduros goons sell him out but I can’t see Trump having the balls to do more then bomb and blockade.
>>2447254>Homeless criminalNgl this is part of why i'm skeptical of the abundance democrats
Their entire shtick is solving the housing crisis (with the help of the free market) but they haven't actually done anything against homelessness on state level
How are people supposed to trust them on the federal level
>>2447165>how are we feeling on Drumph's coming attack on Venezuela?I'm going only on vibes, but my gut tells me this is a favor in disguise to PSUV for being good collaborators on trade and migration issues that the US has raised before. A war with Venezuela is dumb, an *amphibious invasion* of Venezuela sounds ridiculous, and nowhere near the means for it seem to be mobilized.
So this is only reinforcing Maduro's platform. Which, by now, is pretty much
<It's my corrupt succdem ass or the yankees!! NO OTHER OPTIONS!!and forcing the RF and China to declare explicit support against the USA sable rattling. Bearing, in mind that this too is a goal of Washington that so far they have failed miserably at, with soft power. The USA needs to polarize the world away from the globalized liberalism and trade relationships they so insisted on for the last decades, to have a chance on this cold war. It took them the whole ass Ukraine war to recruit the EU, allegedly their closest allies.
>>2447311There is literally no reason for a Ukrainian to be allowed as a “refugee” in the US at the same time that millions of actual refugees and asylum seekers are being deported
>>2447327>hurr durr hurr durr Shut up faggot. I didn’t even post it. If you are calling the post /pol/ then you are literally agreeing with my my cracka
>>2447344>>2447347>>2447318>Being so demoralized you feel converting a laotian basket weaving forum to your cause is your only chance at winning this warYou know you'd have better luck convincing racist eurolibs that your struggle against the
asiatic hordes orcs is necessary in order to preserve EVROPEAN civilization
and a future for white children… right?
>>2447288Depressing really. I've noticed this war is also what takes precedence over everything else for libs on both sides of the Atlantic.
Nothing matters more than keeping the war going, and giving more weapons and money to Ukraine. Anything is acceptable towards this end.
>Destroy social security>Accruing trillions of dollars worth of debt to be paid by young and future generations>Euroskeptics and outright fascist reactionaries rising in the pollsUkraine has outstripped all aid given to Israel since 1947.
>>2446994Figures that Philip K. Dick would get closer to imagining future warfare compared to the other sci-fi guys from back then. Lose/lose situation for humans, win/win for the killbots.
>>2446205Anon that describes like half of the pro-Z anons itt
>>2447434the germans didnt even want the ukrainians on their side back then yet they fought to be used as cannon fodder anyway. some things never change:
>Bandera was born in Austria-Hungary, in Galicia, into the family of a priest of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, and grew up in Poland. Involved in nationalist organisations from a young age, he joined the Ukrainian Military Organisation in 1924. In 1931, he became head of propaganda of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), and later became head of the OUN for Poland in 1932. In 1934, he organised the assassination of the Polish interior minister, Bronisław Pieracki, and was sentenced to death after being convicted of terrorism, subsequently commuted to life imprisonment. Bandera was freed from prison in 1939 following the invasion of Poland, and moved to Kraków. In 1940, he became head of the radical faction of the OUN, the OUN-B. On 22 June 1941, the same day as Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union, he formed the Ukrainian National Committee. The head of the Committee, Yaroslav Stetsko, announced the creation of a Ukrainian state on 30 June 1941, in German-captured Lviv. The proclamation pledged to work with Nazi Germany. The Germans disapproved of the proclamation, and for his refusal to rescind the decree, Bandera was arrested by the Gestapo. He was released in September 1944 by the Germans in the hope that he could fight the Soviet advance. Bandera negotiated with the Nazis to create the Ukrainian National Army and the Ukrainian National Committee in March 1945. After the war, Bandera settled with his family in West Germany. In 1959, Bandera was assassinated by a KGB agent in Munich. >>2447443>Bandera grew up in Poland>PolandONCE AGAIN THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE WORLD CONTINUES TO CAUSE TROUBLE TO THE MODERN AGE.
Rosa was right. Warsaw should have been razed to rubble and everyone who self-identified as Polish should have been shot.
>>2447179>left the zone where "pretending" was good enoughI remember back in the early 2000s, when Chavez, destroyed the FTAA, buried it. By that time they were in fact pretending. It was nice to see Bush's face when he was told that his agreement meant plundering of the South American nations. like a confused animal.
>>2447165meh. it's a scare tactic to make investors run away. in fact, the trump administration renewed the license to buy more oil, but is not renewing their so-called "allies" licenses (Eni, Repsol), and the deployment barely covers the huge shore, and a blockade would risks the nearby islands trade routes, all under European administrative control (i.e. Trinidad and Tobago, British///Curacao Netherlands). the army size is rather ridiculously small.
I'd say it's def con 4.
>>2447473>Diesel but no gasNothingburger then. Everything critical operates using diesel (Trucks, agricultural equipment, emergency generators, busses).
And unlike the west, people over there can walk to the local grocery store.
It mostly hurts the "middle class" who like to use their cars to drop of their kids at private schools and drive everywhere instead of using public transport.
No diesel would be apocalyptic, but I think also prompt the RAF to obliterate what remains of Ukrainian energy infrastructure. So that might be why they're playing it safe by predominantly targeting gasoline production. (Refineries tend to focus on processing particular types of oil, and refining them into a particular range of distillates)
>>2447473😭😭😭 "some fuel stations disrupted by panickum" 😭😭😭 "ruSSia orcs must be losing".
2025-2023=????
>>2447673I did?
Dw though, more bavovnas are coming soon. There will be an energy crisis in the RF. The Russian revolution is just round the corner, they shall be free of cucktin and wasting their country's potential on pointless wars.
>>2447260they already tried multiple times and even hinted at navy blockade and missiles on miraflores but backed down
trump could ego bomb them but last time russia stepped in, they might again
>>2447819Brink of what exactly? Depression? Civil war? No.
Manageable recession? Yes. That much is unavoidable given that the war doesn't actually make any money.
The scale of this recession is something that can be decided by how quickly military spending can be wound down. If the latter isn't at all, then the former consequences may materialise.
>>2447819> Long-term economic growth has been sacrificed1. Russia.
2. Germany, UK, and France.
But I guess the lib media prefers to focus on the enemy of the US state department, probably to stir up the Russian hive.
>>2447823>That much is unavoidable given that the war doesn't actually make any money.thats the part that doesn't make sense to me
they keep saying its propped up by the war economy but doesn't that require infrastructure and support that does make money? the narrative seems to be russia doesn't want the war to end because the economy will collapse but i would think it would get even better if they could focus on regular industry and exports
>>2447966Sure it does. A country at war is using arms. Arms they could be exporting, instead. And a lot of the economic growth and employment went into producing
more arms, and their sole purpose is to go out and get destroyed.
That's the paradox, irony and contradiction of having a defense industry at all. Exporting is how you make money from it at all. Otherwise, it's useless to economic growth. Except it's extremely important, as without it, you're not a geopolitical player, or can properly sustain a defense against hostile players, or be hostile to anyone else.
>>2447966If there's a 0% gdp growth they still have the size of the economy at 2024 levels whose resources were comfortably capable of fighting this war.
Suppose it's -1% or -2% then they might fall to 2023 levels which is another war year.
If it's -10%? Something like that would be quite painful but probably not enough to force Russia's hand. I'll defer to others who can opine on this but I know that it is claimed that because the 2015 oil glut caused a large recession in the RF this is supposed to have impacted some strategic decision making regarding fuller invasion of Ukraine as well as Syrian and Libyan intervention. But even though that recession was very painful, they didn't simply abandon Crimea overnight and pull out the military.
I don't think a full withdrawal is possible just from domestic economic woes. Partial withdrawal probably is though as some operations will simply be wound down for not bringing much value. Still the fall in gdp would have to be so large and so swift that the government doesn't have the nerve to keep shaving more off of the value of productive labour in taxes to funnel into the military fighting in Ukraine.
>>2448129doesn't measuring the drop in gdp effectively normalize to the dollar considering the west has a monopoly on financial services? if they transition to domestic production and cut out middle men financiers that could experience a drop in gdp with an increase in production. if they sanction russian shipping and lose insurance they arent passing paper notes in a circle jerk anymore and then gdp drops. just because western banking makes you spin you tires six times before moving forward doesnt mean they actually go further
and when we talk about 10% drops i thought that was directly about exchange with dollar
>>2447966The USA got all it wanted by late 2023 lel
From there on out they understandably want the RF to stop. But Cucktin is determined to be a leech on the EU, no matter how many workers have to go through war, because the RF just cannot admit defeat.
NATO is and was willing to sacrifice every single Ukrainian anyway, so we have been watching the RF cut it's own nose to spite it's own face so to speak. Every time they hope to be overextending the NATO by arduously waging a land war, the latter throws a few long missiles and glowops into Russia and Cucktin is made the fool yet again. Because the class he represents, still hopes to be at the king's table of a future globalized liberal system, the fools.
>>2448203Continuing the war without really getting much of anything done other than forcing the other side to keep spending.
Only to be proven powerless against NATO long range strikes and glowops blowing up important assets, undoing whatever economic advantage forcing NATO to invest in a spent Ukraine gave the RF.
They think that keeping the very costly war active is worth it if the other side suffers more, but the other side doesn't care how well you do on the battlefield and has already written off Ukrainians.
Also when the ceasefire is eventually signed, the RF has shit all left to do, in order to enforce their side of the deal other than threatening to restart the war. While the US can, at any given time, order their EU lackeys to stop the proxy purchases and observe the sanctions for a limited time to fuck with Russia.
>>2448072>Well i dont think they are going to withdraw at all. Was there a recession in production? Thats what I dont get, isn't this recession measured in relative to the dollar? How does that matter if they can still make burger?>>2448202>my point is: where is the accompanying drop in production? where is the decreased supply leading to increased prices? how does this actually effect QoL which products are Russians paying more for that is making their lives harderIt's not really decreased supply but a sudden increase in demand outstripping supply (I think).
Russia is financing the war in an indirect way through issuing low-interest loans to defense companies. Secondly, Russia has very low unemployment and men have been going off to war, so there are fewer workers to go around, but again the defense companies are getting cheap credit by the state to expand production and hire workers. But the downside of that is a lot resources and labor are being diverted into the defense industry which means civilian businesses also need to raise wages to compete → inflation.
Also you have soldiers getting paid well and they either spend the money or send it back to their baby mommas who do spend it (or gets a profitable one-time bonus when their boyfriend or husband dies), but civilian producers can't keep up with this sudden surge in demand, because the low-interest loans to the defense companies take priority while also crowding out investment in civilian goods or housing construction etc.
A term economists use for htis "military Keynesianism." Adam Tooze went into this earlier this year but is also skeptical of claims by other Western economists that the Russian economy is in much trouble. There has still be a profitable export trade in oil and gas, and there are domestic counterveiling factors, like the fact that real wage gains have helped offset inflation, at least for certain sectors of the economy, and most of all for those with the lowest incomes. Also it goes without saying that workers in the defense industry have seen their wages go up. The "losers" from inflation are public sector workers whose wages are tied to the official inflation rate which is below real inflation:
https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-345-a-house-of-cards-russias >>2448244>a sudden increase in demand outstripping supplywhere does this demand come from?
>Russia has very low unemployment and men have been going off to warare you saying these are related?
also they only have a million troops in ukraine
even if you think a million died thats 2 million out of 145 M, lets say half of those ar men and half are 18-45. thats 2 of 36M or 5% and many are going to be support staff whose training transfers to civilian use. and thats a ridiculous high estimate
>Also you have soldiers getting paid well and they either spend the money is this where demand comes from? i cant see how a relative increase in wages could really overcome billions in investment on the other side
>A term economists use for this "military Keynesianism."right but what i dont understand is how everyone talks about how this creates inflation with the implication that this is bad. was ww2 bad for the us? if russia is politically constrained to sell off its SOEs due to anticommunist ideology like post ww2 us then that might be a point but thats ideological not an economic or natural law or how money works
all this seems like it assumes a liberal model and that russia must be in trouble because its unsustainable or something. but i dont see how "inflation" is bad if people can still afford food and housing. its not like the population outstripped their ability to feed it. like what sectors arent able to produce enough for demand? luxuries? i certainly dont know russians who are homeless and starving cause they cant find work
the more i think about this whole thing the less sense it makes. not your post specifically just the entire premise seems like its based on liberal assumptions taken as gospel. maybe its true that when the us prints money and gives away loans it leads to inflation unemployment and crises if there isn't a war to put it into, but thats a political choice.
russia could just do a jobs program like the new deal and putin has both the economic understanding that the limit to production is labor capacity and the political power to enforce such a policy. its really only a problem if you believe that the rate of profit it more important than national interest. when you are self-sufficient growth capacity isn't limited by access to petrodollars. unironically GDP go down and production go up and its like magic to these austrians
>>2447809>Tell Ukrainians to destroy Russia"s energy infrastructure>Offer Cucktin repairs from America companies if he stops his dumb war>Either Cucktin accepts and America makes money or he refuses and Russia goes bankrupt and is forced to end the war anyways as they can't export oil anymore due to all their refneries being destroyedARTOFTHEDEAL
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>>2448208What assets have nato actually destroyed
>>2448364What refineries have been destroyed
>>2448312The RF isn't anywhere close to being self sufficient. It is dependent on China which is.
>>2448586Refining capacity has fallen by 20% this year up to and including May. So effectively 1/5 refineries destroyed. 4/5 of a lot is still a lot though.
Ukraine just adopted a law enabling yong draft-age males to leave the country. Do you think it is a rational decision for a country losing war and territory to get rid of few million males who are in perfect age to be soldiers?
What is their end game here
https://tvpworld.com/88548305/ukrainian-men-aged-18-22-allowed-to-cross-border-as-kyiv-changes-martial-law-policy>>2448312>where does this demand come from?The state. Basically. Credit.
>are you saying these are related?Yeah somewhat. Russia needs workers but a lot of those soldiers are not working in factories, so it helps tighten the available supply a bit more.
>is this where demand comes from? i cant see how a relative increase in wages could really overcome billions in investment on the other sidePart of it. It's both. It's a more general war-finance boom in the aggregate enabled by the expansion of credit. A million soldiers might be $20-$25 billion/year just in salaries and benefits which flows back into the economy in the form of spending. Then the investment into the MIC is also contributing to the inflation because the defense industry is sucking up inputs (like steel), and the banks are encouraging to lend out to the MIC at low rates so they might be less inclined to lend to other businesses because they don't want to add more risk to their balance sheets.
>right but what i dont understand is how everyone talks about how this creates inflation with the implication that this is bad. I mean yeah, you're right. It might be correct to say that it's bad for some Russians (those on fixed incomes) and good for others (those seeing their wages go up). But it "works" in a functional way for funding the war. Tooze in that article suggests there are risks but it's manageable, and the problems are not so much some short-term meltdown contrary to some articles in the Western press (because Russia isn't acting like a "normal" liberal economy). There might be long-terms risks but that's unpredictable and nobody can say for certain. Russia is running a pretty high interest rate (18%) to control inflation which is obviously bad if you're a business that's not involved directly in the war economy. (That's not a liberal assumption, that's just math.)
>was ww2 bad for the us? if russia is politically constrained to sell off its SOEs due to anticommunist ideology like post ww2 us then that might be a point but thats ideological not an economic or natural law or how money works Well, one thing to keep in mind is that the U.S. during that war was much more like a planned economy than Russia is today and engaged in massive rationing and price controls. Plus there was a huge surplus of labor going into the war because of the Great Depression, so the U.S. didn't experience inflation really.
>the more i think about this whole thing the less sense it makes. not your post specifically just the entire premise seems like its based on liberal assumptions taken as gospel. maybe its true that when the us prints money and gives away loans it leads to inflation unemployment and crises if there isn't a war to put it into, but thats a political choice. Yeah that would be a liberal market assumption. Again, who benefits, who doesn't. If Russians are getting raises it's not really "bad" for them or it helps counter-balance the rise in prices. But then businesses get hosed and that's bad for them. Or you might say there are trade-offs.
>russia could just do a jobs program like the new deal and putin has both the economic understanding that the limit to production is labor capacity and the political power to enforce such a policy. You'd want to do a jobs program if you had a lot of unemployment, but Russia has the opposite problem, it needs more workers. The New Deal was because there were millions of unemployed people.
>its really only a problem if you believe that the rate of profit it more important than national interest. when you are self-sufficient growth capacity isn't limited by access to petrodollars. unironically GDP go down and production go up and its like magic to these austriansYeah but that's kind of a separate issue. I don't think it's an accounting issue. Even if Russia was run by communists, they would have the same structural issues. They might try to handle it differently, like imposing rationing and price controls like we did during World War II.
>>2448655>But then businesses get hosed and that's bad for them.sucks for them lol
>You'd want to do a jobs program if you had a lot of unemploymentyeah i mean after the war when the defense industry slows down
>like imposing rationing and price controlsi thought they already were
>>2448657>sucks for them lolWell yeah but it's not good if you want to expand production to keep up with demand from the higher wages and baby mommas spending their hubbie's death benefit payouts.
>yeah i mean after the war when the defense industry slows downRight. We agree.
>i thought they already wereNo. Russia hasn't imposed rationing or is setting prices. Looping back to the beginning, it's a mix of government spending + incentives to stimulate demand for military production but without wartime price controls or rationing.
>>2448213>They've nearly completely deindustrialized the whole EUThis is just the original intent of the Ukraine war. To get the EU to subsidize the USA's cold war at their own expense.
>and depleted 40 years of NATO stockpiles for which they dont have the productive capacity to replaceReminder that this is also heavily laced with NATO propaganda justifying the current deals in which the EU, now fully vassalized, agrees to buy US weapons and invest heavily in the US economy for "protection". Reverse "friendshoring".
> and set up an alternative international financial system outside the dominance of the dollar complete with access to the resources necessary to sustain an alternative global economy indefinitely.I mean… this is just the cold war, the product of which is the conflict in Ukraine as a whole, from way back when. Not the other way around.
But speaking of financial imperialism and the dollar well, look at MENA. The US just reasserted their hegemony over MENA for at least a few decades and the petrodollar is again safeguarded and with it a big chunk of NATO imperialism. And the RF had fuck all to say while negotiating the fall of Syria, other than presumably getting to keep operating the mediterranean port.
>>2448685>This is just the original intent of the Ukraine war. To get the EU to subsidize the USA's cold war at their own expense.<the West meant to lose and divide itself under drumpf >Reminder that this is also heavily laced with NATO propaganda justifying the current deals in which the EU, now fully vassalized, agrees to buy US weapons and invest heavily in the US economy for "protection". Reverse "friendshoring".The US offered to sell weapons to Europe as an excuse to get out of the war and blame for its failure, nothing more. Europe cannot buy the weapons and deliver them in time to replace the US
>But speaking of financial imperialism and the dollar well, look at MENA. The US just reasserted their hegemony over MENA for at least a few decades and the petrodollar is again safeguarded and with it a big chunk of NATO imperialismThere was no reasserting of US hegemony in MENA. Israel, Turkey, Iran, and other actors are behaving in the absence of US power and in the wake of failed regime change wars in the middle east. It also did nothing to secure the petrodollar. Saudis will not revive the Abraham accords and are diversifying their energy ties
The West has little to show for this war. Liberal democracy in the world continues to look brittle on its frontiers and within the G7, the attempt to reassert the conclusion of the cold war backfired so hard not only is multipolarity now becoming a thing but trump is in power as right wing populism continues to grow
There's nothing healthy about international capitalism right now except promises for its future in emerging economies
>>2448685>This is just the original intent of the Ukraine war.No, it's not. the original intent of the Ukraine war was to collapse Russia's economy, create political/social crisis, bring about regime change and split Russia from China.
Further enslaving the EU is just the cope/consolation prize that they've settled for.
https://nitter.poast.org/JulianRoepcke/status/1960589709979050389#m>The Ruzzian ZZummer Offenysiv has failed, Putler humiliated as he FAILS to conquer all of Ukraine and reach Keeeev in two weeks. Ruzzia now bankrupt and about to collapse!Ignoring the part of course, where there is no proof of this huge "summer offensive" meant to completely wipe Ukrainian forces in the Donbas, or push them all the way to the Dnepr or Kyiv.
This has become recurring pattern for years now. Western media and public figures declare that the Kremlin or Russian army have some nebulous goal or "major offensive" scheduled at the time, set a clear timetable in which these goals are supposed to be achieved, and then smugly assert Ruzzia has lost when they failed to achieve them. With "Kyiv in 3 days" being the most infamous one.
So now the latest "victory" is Ukraine "stopping" the Summer Offensive, which was never announced or leaked.
And of course it all goes back to the fact that this war was launched back in 2014 as an "anti-terrorist" operation against Donbas separatists. And victory at the time meant ending the DPR/LPR and having Ukraine ascend to NATO.
On the other hand, the 2022 invasion was launched in order to stop Ukrainian ascension to NATO, Ukraine acquiring nuclear weapons, and the destruction of the Donbas people's republics.
Framed this way, who has been truly winning all along?
>>2448708>Europe cannot buy the weapons and deliver them in time to replace the USIs this what vatniks really believe?
Europe's industrial capacity is bigger than America's. Procuring weapons systems designed to destroy invading fascists isn't a problem unless you're juiced up on copium for why the 3 day SMO has been a complete disaster
>>2448720this thread has a kope infestation these days
>>2448721everyone now realizing the US is a total fraud and it's impossible to negotiate anything with them. heh
>>2448719So where and when was this "Summer Offensive" announced? Can you quote an official source or leak? Can you also explain what the goals of this "Summer Offensive" are or were?
I notice it's always the same
>Don't engage with the critique>Just smugly proclaim you won and the enemy somehow lost>Don't elaborateYou realize this sort of intimidation might work face to face, but you only come across as coping and immature online, do you?
>>2448725>this thread has a kope infestation these daysIt's only going to get worse, I'm surprised about how affected people who visit a fringe left-wing imageboard are by Russia succeeding, that they really need to devolve into posts like
>>2448718I feel like by the time one reaches leftypol, you would have surely already become disillusioned with Reddit-tier shit like the genuine inability to leave the garden chauvinism taught in our youths behind.
>>2448735Well, you don't just leave chauvinism (among other things) behind. It is not so easy, one at minimum would have to put some mental work towards it.
A lot of the time they are also just desperate for attention, positive or negative.
The terminal decline of the west will leave none of them unaffected.
Being removed (and very far removed) from reality is not exclusive to standard libs.
I remember some stories (heard/encountered first hand, whichever the case may be) in the left, broadly, that are really out there.
>>2447874nah, obviously he made it up, and the WSJ made it up, the interesting part is people eating the b8:
>>2447809 >>2448364 >>2448034like, you can't give face of value to things without evidence, and they run for it believing it.
I swear to god, they'll see another Nayirah testimony, and they'll cry tears again.
>>2448012>sanctions, tariffs very costly to Russia>or Ukraine>or whoeverGreat plan, Mr President
We love you
>>2448192>doesn't measuring the drop in gdp effectively normalize to the dollar considering the west has a monopoly on financial services? things not connected.
> if they transition to domestic production and cut out middle men financiers that could experience a drop in gdp with an increase in production.feels like there's something missing: if
yadda yadda then yadda yadda.
>if they sanction russian shipping and lose insurance they arent passing paper notes in a circle jerk anymore and then gdp drops. just because western banking makes you spin you tires six times before moving forward doesnt mean they actually go furtherbut Russia's GDP growth isn't in negative values. economic calculations more recently adjust everything to dollars or to the local currency, and they usually state that, to make comparisons more feasible.
>>2448725>everyone now realizing the US is a total fraud and it's impossible to negotiate anything with them. hehYeah that proposal from Trump was a sucker move because the U.S. (and Russia) have, like, 10x as many nuclear weapons, so China loses more in proportional terms if they agree to say, cut their forces in half.
>>2448717>I wouldn't even entertain the assertions that there was a summer offensive of any size, it's just a cope to suggest that Russia's increasing speed in reaching, if not capturing, "literally-who-cares" villages is not the result of Ukraine and NATO reaching the inflection point of attrition warfareWell people say "offensive" but there are a lot of infiltration tactics, apparently. There was a Russian breakthrough near Pokrovsk but there's some reason to believe the Ukrainians dealt with it. This is pretty interesting anyways from a military perspective because the "lines" that we see on a map are not really lines, they are like distributions of infantry at regular intervals, but the range and lethality of weapons as such that the lines are rather porous (and Ukraine is infantry-poor anyways), so the meta is to try and hold positions with as few soldiers as possible (because artillery and air strikes can wreck positions too), and they are supported by their own indirect fire weapons + drones. So a lot of the battles that are happening are stealthy infiltrations through the "line" and then trying to reduce strongpoints by flanking them.
>>2448910>Well people say "offensive" but there are a lot of infiltration tactics, apparently.Well it has always been the case with lots of small back and forth movements along the front as not even villages but treelines get contested with small localised breakthroughs that sometimes involve climbing through some kind of sewer system or something to get behind the enemy.
It has been the joke for years that small temporary gains by Russia are all that they can achieve against Ukraines military might at the cost of thousands of men, while Ukraine's small temporary gains were merely prooooobing attacks to troll and distract the Russians, but now that dynamic is starting favour Russia much more frequently than it does for Ukraine, they want to present each of these constant vibrations on the line as an entire coordinated offensive
despite already claiming that the vibrations were the limit of Russia's military capabilities.
>>2448935These three make the likes of Merkel, Schröder, Chirac and Blair look like Churchill in comparison.
What's the "materialist explanation" for the decline for European statesmanship anyway? How did leading European states end up with such pathetic, ineffective, uncharismatic leaders?
>>2448987Basically European prosperity is being sacrificed further to prop up the war with Russia. Which primarily burgers profit off and instigated.
Pathetic.
>>2449090Asspullsky
Madeupnamsky
>>2449126>How does Ukraine manage to supply its defenders?Le defenders gee I wonder if some fat incel koper wrote this lol.
It's simple anon, they don't. That's why they're losing land everyday. Instead, they get annoying faggots like you to pretend that ruzzia and their undead orc hordes are fighting with nothing but shovels and rusty mosin nagants or whatever while Ukraine is throwing a million himars rockets a day, but we can all see the corpse exchange rates and the front lines moving west everyday lmao.
>>2449169>Merz is contemplating to propose pustula von der merde as the next Chancellor of Germany.Nah he's not. This STUPID woman is likely to succeed Steinmeier as our president. President of Germany is a representative job with little actual decision making power.
Merz as chancellor is already bad enough though. He's a bourgeois prick of the worst kind.
>Ukrainian news outlet Ukrainska Pravda published a report outlining the number of criminal proceedings that took place for deserters from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. According to their information, citing data from the Unified Register of Crimes, the following figures were recorded:
>2022: 6,988 proceedings
>2023: 17,658 proceedings
>2024: 67,840 proceedings
>2025: 110,511 proceedings (from January - July)
>Total: 202,997 proceedings
>They also published the number of proceedings in which charges were filed:
>2022: 3,471 (49.67%)
>2023: 7,883 (44.64%)
>2024: 23,343 (34.41%)
>2025: 15,361 (13.90%) (from January - July)
>Total: 50,058 (24.66%)
>This means that this year, on average, 524 criminal proceedings for desertion were opened every single day.
OOF
but I bet these "desertions are just commanders hiding the KIA
>>2449265The EU is very complicit in rehabilitating butthurt belt nazi collaborators. This is part of the genesis of the neoliberal-fascist alliance for decommunization that caused the 2014 crisis
It's led to a notable contradiction where the EU promotes multiculturalism in the West but nationalism in the east
Russia as fascist is just laughable
>plz don't divide by nationality and unfreeze ethnic conflicts>maybe Europe and the West shouldn't run everythingYea very fascist
>>2449385There's also no getting around the legacy fascism left when it invaded the USSR, perhaps there might be some who by now are thinking that was a long time ago now and people should move on, but I really doubt
>Actually the Nazis were pretty based, if you ignore that they tried to genocide ushas many takers.
It's far more likely to take root in nations that received the propaganda both in 1941 and in 2025 that attacking Russia is pre-emptive and imagine what would happen if we didn't do it? Basically if your country had its own SS batallion, then of course you're going to be able to spin a narrative that Nazism wasn't targeted at *your* country.
>>2448661>but it's not good if you want to expand production i would think they subsidize important things like food and the ones going out of business are like cell phone case vendors or something
The Russian government issued antihoarding measures and price controls, amid a slew of punishing economic sanctions from the West.
>Authorities said major retail chains could restrict the sale of a number of “socially important goods,” such as food staples, and limit how high they mark up their prices. The measures were aimed at possible speculation, the Ministry of Industry and Trade said Saturday.>The Russian state news agency, TASS, reported that some retailers had agreed to limit markups on a number of items, including dairy products, bakery goods and sugar, to 5%.https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-04/card/russia-imposes-antihoarding-price-control-measures-YRKE3kS4E3EeEk34cXAUhttps://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/07/30/russia-weighs-food-price-controls-amid-rising-inflation-a90036https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/07/24/russia-set-to-restrict-gasoline-exports-for-2-months-reuters-a89956https://cpd.gov.ua/en/results/rf-en/how-russia-is-introducing-ration-cards/ >>2449417The IDC is tightly related to Giorgos Margaritis, Nikos Mottas, and Aleka Papariga, who all work tightly. Basically an interconnection between the KKE, and a publishing company named Εκδόσεις Ατέχνως (Atexnos), more related to Mottas. I am amazed how the three, go to deny the Holodomor, defend actively Stalin, and yet you see Mottas continously attacking the KPFR, in pieces that accuse them of opportunism or of taking wrong political positions in certain international actions, like a old Trotskyite.
Margaritis and Papariga should break with Mottas insane modern-day Trotskyism, but hey, the KKE would lose the Atexnos partnership, I bet.
>>2448685>Reminder that this is also heavily laced with NATO propaganda justifying the current deals in which the EUYes of course, its always accompanied by frenzied Pentagon reps demanding congress pass a bigger spending bill. But also they really are out of stocks. The EU is supposed to help with a "division of labor" and hold back Russia while the US does "strategic sequencing" and attacks Iran and then China as part of its "pivot to asia". they cant buy weapons the us doesn't have
unfortunately for them they cant make enough firepower and have been trying to pivot for 17 years ever since obama announced it but keep getting bogged down
>the petrodollar is again safeguarded and with it a big chunk of NATO imperialismits really not, the point of ukraine was to expand fracking production and cut out a competitor because the US fracking boom has peaked and is in decline. shell and exxon had black sea contracts before crimea joined russia. its really classic imperialist motivation, as the introduction of fracking as a new technology drove massive initial returns on investment but then the domestic market became saturated and the rate of profit fell necessitating external expansion. its also why they are eying venezuela and of course iran
>>2449454 (me)
>>2449417and course, I forgot to mention, Nikos Mottas, the rabid Trotskyite is a post-graduate of the university of Tel-Aviv.
https://ekdoseis-atexnos.gr/profiles/%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82-%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%82https://www.rovespieros.gr/kommounstes-ston-polemowith connections with Israeli "leftists" (fucking leave the motherfucker country) Hadash, Maki / Israeli Communist circles, individual MPs such as Ayman Odeh and Ofer Cassif.
this is the kind of people that zankarin ('moffin) would use to get his quotes from what people should think about ruSSshia.
>>2449081ukraine = israel
donbass = palestine
russia = hamas
we can see in stark contrast here what western leftists 'support'. if hamas was as big as russia they would be crying about unprovoked anti-semetic aggression from barbarian asiatics
>>2449673And do you want to know with who those Knesset MPs have connections in the US? Ofer Cassif with the CPUSA. Yes, participated in videoconferences with them at 32nd CPUSA convention
AT FUCKING 2024. Ayman Odeh calls Bernard Sanders "his friend", and condemned Assad. This is what the IDC connections are.
Basically, IDC is purely a western proxy masqueraded as a Stalinist news blog.
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