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>>2441667 >>24427801. Is there a group of intelligensia that raised the banner of Marxism in a given country? Did it grow on its own or in opposition to some already existing unscientific popular anticapitalist movement?
2. Is a popular political programme written?
3. Have Marxist circles of intelligents multiplied, spread, expanded, all while upholding the programme?
4. Have the Marxist circles united around party principles?
5. Is party-to-be ready to pass from circle propaganda to mass agitation?
6. Is there mass workers movement already existing? Are workers already struggling and organizing on their own? That is, is consciousness ripe to pass from trade-unionism to party-building? Is it below trade-union consiousness?
7. Has the would-be party educated enough workers politically in their struggle? Has it explained and connected the mass movement with communist political demands?
8. Has the would-be party built enough connections among the working class movement? Enough working class organizations? Built trust among the workers by working amongst them? Ready to respond to every injustice the workers may face?
9. Does the would-be party give impetus elswhere across the country to establish similar working class organizations? Are groundworks laid for an all-country organization that can start building the communist party and go against the bourgeois state?
New thread new reminder that if your socialism isn't international, it is by definition national socialism and there's a word for that.
>>2442783The Democrats will do nothing to resist fascism because liberalism and fascism are not enemies, they are the same system in different stages of development. Your anti-communist party knows this and supports them anyway because your goal is to destroy the American left using the Democratic party as an anvil.
>>2442842>national socialismchat does socialism with national characteristics = national socialism?
Someone else said:
>if communism has to be worldwide and is impossible in one country then socialist states are in a holding pattern while they wait for you to overthrow your own bourgeoisie. The required productive forces for defense of the revolution is always relative to the external forces that seek to overthrow it, and revolution is the one job that cannot be outsourced. >>2442872To be fair I think it’s more the culture of the Left rather than deliberate CIA tactics, or more likely those tactics have become a self-sustaining meme—some younger communists see the infiltrators pulling that shit, and there’s a chance they never figure out the person is an infiltrator so they just subconsciously adopt their antics as a way to fit into the culture. Some schisms happen or years pass and they’re doing the feds work for them.
>>2442886There’s an old joke in the CPUSA that you can tell who the feds are by the fact they always pay their membership dues on time.
That said, paranoia about infiltration is as useful a disruption tool as infiltration itself. There probably won’t be any impenetrable party structure short of adopting the most cult-like Maoist practices.
>>2442897>To be fair I think it’s more the culture of the Left rather than deliberate CIA tactics, or more likely those tactics have become a self-sustaining meme—some younger communists see the infiltrators pulling that shit, and there’s a chance they never figure out the person is an infiltrator so they just subconsciously adopt their antics as a way to fit into the culture. Some schisms happen or years pass and they’re doing the feds work for them.Yeah this. With any successful psy-op, soon after you get it going, the majority of the people promoting it should be people you successfully psy-opped.
Western Communism has long been a pissing contest about who is the most
CRITICAL, radical, anti-everything, and the biggest overall sourpuss.
Women who chose to have an extremely disabled child that she expected to be stillborn complains about Medicaid funding cuts, as money currently pays for “doctors' appointments, surgeries, many therapies, adaptive equipment, specialized food, medical supplies, respite care workers (who provide temporary relief to caregivers) and more.”
She adds “I am even paid a living wage to care for my son.”
People who chose to have severely disabled children do not pay for them.
They not only increase suffering in the world, but expect the rest of us to subsidize their fanatical beliefs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/opinion/medicaid-conservative.html
>I’m a Conservative. My Disabled Son Needs Medicaid to Live.>>2442910I mean, I think it's kinda baked into leftism. There's this general idea it seems everyone has, and I guess they believe Mao and Lenin basically followed the formula.
>You critique the system. You Agitate! You radicalize people(I.E. make them more pissed off than they already are) etc. etc.<People reach a certain threshold of pissed offness and then the revolution happens and then we all live in communism.Of course when this stupid ass strategy never pays off, they become true TWists and they turn their critique to how actually all the people in the US are one of the bad people, the treatlerites they are going to put against the wall when they like single-handedly overthrow the government and then execute like 300 million something people all by themself.
Same basic bitch vitriolic, revenge fantasy shit like all the right wing radicals. The III-percenters the five-percenters. Lol. Maybe the leftist version will be called like the .1%ers.
>>2442901>Western Communism has long been a pissing contest about who is the most CRITICAL, radical, anti-everything, and the biggest overall sourpuss.The key to achieving Communism is just abandoning all of that. Abandon all language. Abandon all your theory. Abandon everything you've ever read from a book. Abandon all your impulses to critique and doubt yourself and operate with complete confidence in your mission.
Operate entirely on intuition, adaptability, and solidarity towards your immediate comrades.
If it works, you'll be the one being studied as a revolutionary hero and your tactics praised for being innovative. If it doesn't work, at least you tried. That's more than every armchair ML and youtube media critic has done.
At least that's what I'd want to say to anyone serious about achieving change. Revolutions require revolutionary methods, not relying on doctrine, bureaucracy, and dogma.
>>2442929Well that's why I've been saying the only way we're going to have a successful communist revolution in America is through a synthesis of revolutionary theory and tactics rather than LARPing as Lenin and Mao
And of course the most important element of the Revolutionary Synthesis is comrade Fred Durst
>>2442931wow you just hate progress.
>good thing happens>it's bad because reformismtypical leftypol. just shut up and vote bernie and AOC and zohran and baby killer from maine
US President Donald Trump on Friday appeared to give his backing for Israel's assault on Gaza City, claiming that it would be "safer" for the captives if Israel attacked the urban centre home to 1 million Palestinians, most of whom were forcibly displaced from other parts of Gaza.
“I actually think they're safer in many ways, if they went in fast and did it," Trump said.
Trump also accused Hamas of "extortion".
Trump's comments again appear to suggest the US is fine with the status quo of Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza. He also suggested there would be no full ceasefire even if the remaining roughly 20 alive captives in Gaza are freed and that Israel would continue its genocide.
"Hamas knows that if they give them that's probably the end of their lives," he said.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/trump-calls-israel-go-fast-gaza-city-makes-no-reference-ceasefireRFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted — the journal said no
In a rare move for a US public official, health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr called for a Danish paper finding no link between aluminium in vaccines and disease to be retracted.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02682-9>>2442921> actually build communism afterwardsThis is the fucking crux of the problem. Motherfuckers really think it is:
>I make people mad enough at the government, their country, their flag, their history, their neighbors, cars, the patriarchy, White people, McDonalds, the sky, dogs, etc. take your pick according to your brand of left or right radicalism>Then they are going to spontaneously just rise up and overthrow the government.<Then we will have a clean-slate to make our communist society.This fantasy hasn't produced ONE OUNCE of anything in like a century. If you say the obvious:
>Uhhh, why don't we try something else instead of what has been proven to not work?and they say:
REVISIONIST! SHEEP DOG! or whatever nonsense.
Really all of these radical groups left and right just serve as social clubs for the misanthropic. Just place for people who hate people to congregate and put aside their misanthropy long enough to validate each other's misanthropy.
>>2442933The thing I'm stuck on is every revolutionary seems to want to be Lenin but no one wants to be the footsoldiers. They endlessly critique eachother and act like they know better than every other person in the movement. It's pretty much the perfect scenario to never achieve anything.
That's why I advocate just finding where your loyalties lie and sticking with those people regardless of what happens. Building something requires loyalty and commitment.
>>2442947Electoralism is a joke, it's just a pressure release valve for political discontent. Instead of waiting 2-4 years for elections to "do something" start doing something in the present.
We should start brainstorming social media campaigns to mobilize young people. What would be a good platform that can be easily spread through memes?
>>2442901Yknow there’s a bit in Orwell (yeah yeah, cop snitch Anarkiddie, the works) where he talks about reading this incredibly dumb article in some socialist paper about whether Shakespeare is reactionary or not. And they were having a whole debate about it, but his response was basically “who gives a fuck?”
I think “critique” is a great trap. Makes you think you’re doing something meaningful when you’re sitting on your ass. It’s a retreat for people who feel powerless and imagine some other person would step in to save them. Consider for a moment that right wing “critique” exists in the sole area they don’t explicitly dominate: mass culture and media. Theres a cottage industry for shit like “The Critical Drinker” and others; because ultimately there aren’t that many right wing culture creators making these huge blockbusters. You’ve got movies like Bone Tomahawk or Dragged Across Concrete (brutal and explicitly reactionary) but those are niche and what they
want is right wing Star Wars or right wing Pixar (inb4 “but anon those are BOTH already right wing!!!”). The Left Wing? Its critique of society or economics or politics. Theres the media critique, too, but often it’s overlooked because—let’s be honest—people love star wars and superheroes and cartoons and saying “that’s all fascist propaganda” makes you enemies. It doesn’t give you the same huge audiences that right wingers critiquing the latest marvel slop for having a trans woman does. Shit, I’d say a lot of left wing critiques of media itself just prompts backlashes.
Regardless, people seem to critique what they can’t make or control. It’s cope.
>>2442917Funny enough I think it was Amber from Chapo that said the III preventers did a good job of keeping left wing protesters and right wing counter protesters separated in the name if “protecting free speech”
>>2442949I mean you can't just be anti-something, you have to be pro-something is my point. You can't just be like:
>hehh, capitalism sucks… >:)Yeah alright, and what are you going to do about it? No one wants to associate with a person that complains about the same unchangeable situation while never offering a rational plan about how to change it. It's not going to fucking work ever. You're agitating alright, agitating people against annoying leftists who do nothing but complain and make life more unpleasant.
>>2442933>Well that's why I've been saying the only way we're going to have a successful communist revolution in America is through a synthesis of revolutionary theory and tactics rather than LARPing as Lenin and MaoIt's not even LARPing. If Lenin or Mao acted the way these people do, they'd be less than a footnote in history.
>>2442947>There seriously just needs to be an "Eat the Rich" party.The CONINTELPRO "Left" would just call it "fascist" and "white supremacist" because they didn't read Settlers or whatever.
>World Leaders React as U.N.-Backed Report Confirms Famine in GazaBelgium
Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Maxime Prévot said that the IPC’s confirmation of famine in Gaza is “not a surprise.”
“It is the tragic consequence of what has been clear for months: an entire population is being pushed into starvation, destitution, and death,” said Prévot. “It is a disgrace that in the 21st century, children are dying of hunger because aid is blocked. In this case, famine is not a natural disaster, it is the result of choices.”
Denmark
The Danish Foreign Ministry shared a statement from Foreign Affairs Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, saying: “Over half a million people are affected—more will follow. We repeat: Israel must allow unimpeded, safe, and sustained access for aid and let U.N. and NGOs work.”
Ireland
Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Micheál Martin called the famine declaration “entirely predicated and preventable. “The withholding of food and water from civilians is collective punishment of the people of Gaza, and is a war crime,” Martin said, calling for a stop to Israel’s expansion of its military operations.
Tánaiste Simon Harris (Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister) said “the heartbreaking and devastating scenes in Gaza cannot be ignored. It is sickening and despicable.”
“People in Ireland and across the world will not turn a blind eye,” Harris added, before calling for a review into trade agreements between the European Union and Israel.
Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia’s Foreign Ministry voiced “deep concern” over the IPC’s report, stating that “the worsening humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza is a direct result of the absence of mechanisms to deter and hold accountable the repeated crimes of the Israeli occupation.”
The Ministry went on to call the famine “a stain on the international community.”
Slovenia
Deputy Prime Minister Tanja Fajon referred to famine as the “new phase of hell Gaza faces in this man-made catastrophe.”
“Dying because of starvation is a harsh reality for people in Gaza… This has to stop. We need an immediate cease-fire, release of all hostages and full, unimpeded humanitarian access,” urged Fajon.
United Kingdom
U.K. Foreign Secretary David Lammy said the confirmation of famine in Gaza City “is utterly horrifying and is wholly preventable.”
He called the humanitarian situation a “moral outrage,” citing the Israeli government’s “refusal to allow sufficient aid into Gaza.”
“The Israeli government must allow the U.N. and international NGOs to carry out their life-saving work without obstruction. Aid must reach those in need urgently and without delay,” concluded Lammy.
First Minister of Scotland, John Swinney, also responded to the declaration of famine.
“Families and children are dying of starvation… There must be an immediate cease-fire, urgent aid into Gaza, and sanctions on Israel,” he said, referring to the situation as “genocide in plain sight.”
United Nations
U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres called the famine in Gaza a “man-made disaster” and a “failure of humanity itself.”
“People are starving. Children are dying. And those with the duty to act are failing. As the occupying power, Israel has unequivocal obligations under international law—including the duty of ensuring food and medical supplies of the population,” he said.
U.N. Human Rights Chief Volker Türk called Gaza’s famine a “war crime” and said Israel “has unlawfully restricted the entry and distribution of humanitarian assistance and other goods necessary for the survival of the civilian population in the Gaza Strip.”
https://time.com/7311728/gaza-famine-ipc-report-world-leaders-reactions/ >>2442949>>2442954I mean to an extent it's all well and good to get people mad enough to
BREAK STUFF because it wouldn't be much of a revolution if we didn't. Hell there's a lot of
STUFF we'll probably have to
BREAK before this is over. But a better world is not going to made possible just by the sheer force of
BREAK STUFF either. I think communism and stuff associated with it could make a lot more headway in America if we put some emphasis on how people's lives are going to be improved, that things like housing and community and a job with benefits will be guaranteed and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Most Americans, even those that aren't strictly proletarian, would gladly
BREAK STUFF in exchange for a world that feels more whole, and that's how we need to market shit. "Hey you know, communism wouldn't charge you an arm or a leg just to send an ambulance to your location, nor stack up additional fees just because you spent time in the hospital for doctors to do a fat load of nothing." That sounds fucking great! More of that please.
Sorry I'm just kinda rambling and I think most of us already kind of agree on all this stuff, I just think we need to get it out there in words better
>>2442980His "praxis" is the same as any other COINTELPRO agent - demoralization and defeatism. If this place was run by people that cared instead of catering to trolls, people like him and Agent Felix would have been shitcanned a long time ago. I
did manage to bully the mods into removing some of the racist shit that was being posted here, albeit I had to bully them into doing it so maybe I can bully them into getting rid of the trolls. Emphasis on MAYBE.
>>2442980>So your "Revolutionary Defeatism" is just pestering people until you die a death of despair and hope maybe you motivate one or two of them to join in a "Revolutionary Suicide Pact" with you or something?Finally. An ameriKKKan that makes some sense. Lenin said to sow objectively based despair amongst the enemy and make known to them the futility of imperialists' struggle is essential task. The destruction of ameriKKKans is assured regardless, yet which you ameriKKKans still deny, giving Leninist revolutionary defeatist tactic greater meaning and purpose
>>2443000>wrong and nanarcissisticThat's you, ameriKKKans. Lenin was not wrong. This isnt about me. This about you and your disorders, ameriKKKans. You just want to spare your fellow anti-Leninist ameriKKKans from truth and humiliation.
>>2443005Revolutionary defeatism is anything but defeatist—except for ameriKKKan pigs like you. The death of ameriKKKa is historically and socially necessary, and assured. You are the COINTEL agent. Someone says death to ameriKKKa and we get people like crybaby ameriKKKans you typing paragraphs of racism and ameriKKKanism.
>>2443075Tsarist Russia: semi feudal backwater
America: settler colonial global capitalist empire
>>2443081Did Lenin advocate for the deportation of Russians from Sibir? Did he advocate for some Itelmens #landback nonsense?
btw Russia was an empire spanning Poland to Manchuria and was also quite capitalist despite Orthodox LARPers today pretending it was some communal Holy land.
>>2443081>Laukant did not like my sharp attacks on Kautsky (the ideological “leader” of the Independents, or rather leader of their non-ideology), but he did not refuse to help me when, doubtful of my unreliable German, I showed him the text of a short speech in German I had written,[2] in which I quoted the statement of the “American Bebel”, Eugene Debs, to the effect that he would rather be shot than agree to vote for imperialist war loans, and that he would agree to fight only in a war of the workers against the capitalists.<Lenin: On the Appeal of the German Independents.
>The national wealth of the U.S.A. is now reckoned to be 120 billion (thousand million) dollars, i.e., about 240 billion rubles. Approximately one-third of it, or about 80 billion rubles, belongs to two trusts, those of Rockefeller and Morgan, or is subordinated to these trusts! Not more than 40,000 families making up these two trusts are the masters of 80 million wage slaves.[…]
>But the American proletarian has already awakened and has taken up his post. He greets Roosevelt’s success with cheerful irony, as if to say: You lured four million people with your promises of reform, dear impostor Roosevelt. Very well! Tomorrow those four million will see that your promises were a fraud, and don’t forget that they are following you only because they feel that it is impossible to go on living in the old way.<Lenin: The Results and Significance of the U.S. Presidential Elections
>The history of modern, civilised America opened with one of those great, really liberating, really revolutionary wars of which there have been so few compared to the vast number of wars of conquest which, like the present imperialist war, were caused by squabbles among kings, landowners or capitalists over the division of usurped lands or ill-gotten gains. That was the war the American people waged against the British robbers who oppressed America and held her in colonial slavery, in the same way as these “civilised” bloodsuckers are still oppressing and holding in colonial slavery hundreds of millions of people in India, Egypt, and all parts of the world.>About 150 years have passed since then. Bourgeois civilisation has borne all its luxurious fruits. America has taken first place among the free and educated nations in level of development of the productive forces of collective human endeavour, in the utilisation of machinery and of all the wonders of modern engineering. At the same time, America has become one of the foremost countries in regard to the depth of the abyss which lies between the handful of arrogant multimillionaires who wallow in filth and luxury, and the millions of working people who constantly live on the verge of pauperism. The American people, who set the world an example in waging a revolutionary war against feudal slavery, now find themselves in the latest, capitalist stage of wage-slavery to a handful of multimillionaires, and find themselves playing the role of hired thugs who, for the benefit of wealthy scoundrels, throttled the Philippines in 1898 on the pretext of “liberating” them, and are throttling the Russian Socialist Republic in 1918 on the pretext of “protecting” it from the Germans.<Lenin: Letter to American WorkersHonestly the guy seemed to have a pretty positive opinion of America, all things considered.
>>2443088In fact, you search "Assange" on bernie's xit, not one single time he ran to defend Assange, but oh, poor bolton, por fascist old scum.
nah, man, he's a sell out beyond parody.
>>2443104There was a little communication between Lenin and Debs, or more like talking at each other. Lots of mutual respect too, though I think Debs pleaded with Lenin not to execute too many people.
>The American workers will not follow the bourgeoisie. They will be with us, for civil war against the bourgeoisie. The whole history of the world and of the American labour movement strengthens my conviction that this is so. I also recall the words of one of the most beloved leaders of the American proletariat, Eugene Debs, who wrote in the Appeal to Reason,[4] I believe towards the end of 1915, in the article “What Shall I Fight For” (I quoted this article at the beginning of 1916 at a public meeting of workers in Berne, Switzerland)[5]—that he, Debs, would rather be shot than vote credits for the present criminal and reactionary war; that he, Debs, knows of only one holy and, from the proletarian standpoint, legitimate war, namely: the war against the capitalists, the war to liberate mankind from wage-slavery.
>I am not surprised that Wilson, the head of the American multimillionaires and servant of the capitalist sharks, has thrown Debs into prison. Let the bourgeoisie be brutal to the true internationalists, to the true representatives of the revolutionary proletariat! The more fierce and brutal they are, the nearer the day of the victorious proletarian revolution.That's also from Lenin's letter to American Workers. Now for Debs:
>Lenin and Trotsky were the men of the hour and under their fearless, incorruptible and uncompromising leadership the Russian proletariat has held the fort against the combined assaults of all the ruling class powers of earth. It is a magnificent spectacle. It stirs the blood and warms the heart of every revolutionist, and it challenges the admiration of all the world.
>So far as the Russian proletariat is concerned, the day of the people has arrived, and they are fighting and dying as only heroes and martyrs can fight and die to usher in the day of the people not only in Russia but in all the nations on the globe.
>In every revolution of the past the false and cowardly plea that the people were “not yet ready” has prevailed. Some intermediate class invariably supplanted the class that was overthrown and “the people” remained at the bottom where they have been since the beginning of history. They have never been “ready” to rid themselves of their despots, robbers and parasites. All they have ever been ready for has been to exchange one brood of vampires for another to drain their veins and fatten in their misery.[…]
>The people are ready for their day. THE PEOPLE, I say. Yes, the people!
>Who are the people? The people are the working class, the lower class, the robbed, the oppressed, the impoverished, the great majority of the earth. They and those who sympathize with them are THE PEOPLE, and they who exploit the working class, and the mercenaries and menials who aid and abet the exploiters, are the enemies of the people.
>That is the attitude of Lenin and Trotsky in Russia and was of Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg in Germany, and this accounts for the flood of falsehood and calumny which poured upon the heads of the brave leaders and their revolutionary movement from the filthy mouthpieces of the robber regime of criminal capitalism throughout the world.
<Eugene Debs, "The Day of The People", 1919Funny given the context of someone bitching about "The People" being used earlier.
>>2443107Honestly I think part of it was the Capitalists had better marketing. No wonder on that front, they pretty much pioneered the field.
There was this thing I was watching on the early rise of Neoliberalism, and part of it highlighted some papers from right wing think tanks at the time. There was a big emphasis on talking about "the working man" while introducing neoliberalism. Y'know, keep mentioning "the hard working American" while you're picking his pocket. Meanwhile you had a fractured left that could at best make various contradictory shouts, and a liberal Democratic party that just talks about "the middle class" constantly while pretending there's nothing to be anxious about.
>>2443123The Tulsa race massacre occurred in Lenin's lifetime and the U.S. already had a reputation for the Klan doing some horrible shit before then. You had riots in NYC during the Civil War over "fighting for emancipation." Literally it's just Maoists that think this is some unforgivable sin on the hands of every American.
>>2443123Idiot, the first Imperialist War was launched by the Americans in the fucking 1890s (Spanish-American War).
Nicaragua was already militarily occupied multiple times.
>>2443135Lenin actually writes about America's imperialist wars.
>The American multimillionaires were, perhaps, richest of all, and geographically the most secure. They have profited more than all the rest. They have converted all, even the richest, countries into their tributaries. They have grabbed hundreds of billions of dollars. And every dollar is sullied with filth: the filth of the secret treaties between Britain and her “allies”, between Germany and her vassals, treaties for the division of the spoils, treaties of mutual “aid” for oppressing the workers and persecuting the internationalist socialists. Every dollar is sullied with the filth of “profitable” war contracts, which in every country made the rich richer and the poor poorer. And every dollar is stained with blood—from that ocean of blood that has been shed by the ten million killed and twenty million maimed in the great, noble, liberating and holy war to decide whether the British or the German robbers are to get most of the spoils, whether the British or the German thugs are to be foremost in throttling the weak nations all over the world.[…]
>It is difficult to imagine anything more disgusting than the hypocrisy with which the Anglo-French and American bourgeoisie are now “blaming” us for the Brest Peace Treaty. The very capitalists of those countries which could have turned the Brest negotiations into general negotiations for a general peace are now our “accusers”! The Anglo-French imperialist vultures, who have profited from the plunder of colonies and the slaughter of nations, have prolonged the war for nearly a whole year after Brest, and yet they “accuse” us, the Bolsheviks, who proposed a just peace to all countries, they accuse us, who tore up, published and exposed to public disgrace the secret, criminal treaties concluded between the ex-tsar and the Anglo-French capitalists.
>The workers of the whole world, no matter in what country they live, greet us, sympathise with us, applaud us for breaking the iron ring of imperialist ties, of sordid imperialist treaties, of imperialist chains—for breaking through to freedom, and making the heaviest sacrifices in doing so—for, as a socialist republic, although torn and plundered by the imperialists, keeping out of the imperialist war and raising the banner of peace, the banner of socialism for the whole world to see.[…]
>However much the Anglo-French and American imperialist sharks fume with rage, however much they slander us, no matter how many millions they spend on bribing the Right Socialist-Revolutionary, Menshevik and other social-patriotic newspapers, I shall not hesitate one second to enter into a similar “agreement” with the German imperialist vultures if an attack upon Russia by Anglo-French troops calls for it. And I know perfectly well that my tactics will be approved by the class-conscious proletariat of Russia, Germany, France, Britain, America—in short, of the whole civilised world. Such tactics will ease the task of the socialist revolution, will hasten it, will weaken the international bourgeoisie, will strengthen the position of the working class which is defeating the bourgeoisie.
>The American people resorted to these tactics long ago to the advantage of their revolution. When they waged their great war of liberation against the British oppressors, they had also against them the French and the Spanish oppressors who owned a part of what is now the United States of North America. In their arduous war for freedom, the American people also entered into “agreements” with some oppressors against others for the purpose of weakening the oppressors and strengthening those who were fighting in a revolutionary manner against oppression, for the purpose of serving the interests of the oppressed people. The American people took advantage of the strife between the French, the Spanish and the British; sometimes they even fought side by side with the forces of the French and Spanish oppressors against the British oppressors; first they defeated the British and then freed themselves (partly by ransom) from the French and the Spanish.[…]
>The American people have a revolutionary tradition which has been adopted by the best representatives of the American proletariat, who have repeatedly expressed their complete solidarity with us Bolsheviks. That tradition is the war of liberation against the British in the eighteenth century and the Civil War in the nineteenth century. In some respects, if we only take into consideration the “destruction” of some branches of industry and of the national economy, America in 1870 was behind 1860. But what a pedant, what an idiot would anyone be to deny on these grounds the immense, world-historic, progressive and revolutionary significance of the American Civil War of 1863-65!He draws several distinctions between American Imperialism (propelled by the American Bourgeoisie) and the
American People. Modern Maoists, however, make no such distinction and dehumanize American workers as pigs licking their chops to murder people. Literally everything Lenin says on America counteracts the attitude these retards adopt, but they'll lie to your face and claim they're the "true Marxists" while contradicting Lenin at every turn and desiring nothing more than to spread misery to countless millions of people in the name of "penance".
>>2443155The Loudest modern MLs:
>What America did to the Natives is UNFORGIVABLE! This whole FUCKING SHITHOLE COUNTRY has to be BURNED TO THE GODDAMN GROUND! DECOLONIALISM NOW!"Engels:
>"Peoples which have never had a history of their own, which come under foreign domination the moment they have achieved the first, crudest level of civilisation … have no capacity for survival and will never be able to attain any kind of independence. And that has been the fate of the Austrian Slavs." (Engels, Democratic Pan-Slavism, February 1849)
>"Is it a misfortune that the wonderful California was wrested from the lazy Mexicans, who did not know what to do with it?… All impotent nations must, in the final analysis, be grateful to those who, obeying historical necessities, attach them to a great empire, thus allowing them participation in a historical development which would otherwise be unknown to them. It is self-evident that such a result could not be obtained without crushing some sweet little flowers. Without violence, nothing can be accomplished in history…"Which isn't to say "imperialism is a good thing, manifest destiny is a good thing" but the fact of the matter is that Marx, Engels, and Lenin were all aware of these various conquests but
they were thinking dialectically. All these horrible things like conquest and the subjugation of other peoples has been part of human history forever. Marxism is about analyzing the *why* without indulging in moralizing. And in these circumstances, yes, the vicious colonial project of the Americas is not this titanic wall through which history can't
ever overcome. It's the "original sin" of plenty of Maoists and TWists, but the fact is Marx and Lenin reject the idea of "original sin" while Engels would probably treat it flippantly: "sucks to suck."
>>2443069>no replyconsensus crack
>replyendless bait thread
The solution? something inbetween. Whenever a post is an obvious trollpost or cointelpost, just say "this is a trollpost/cointelpost, do not reply" and leave it there, thus signalling disagreement to avoid consensus crack and also avoiding an endless bait thread.
>>2443155>>2443157>Lmao. It's hilarious how when you actually read Marx and Lenin and shit, everything they say if literally the opposite of what every "ML" says.I don't think most of these types support communism because they believe in it, they just support it because it opposes their system. In fact, if they were born in China or Russia, they'd probably be pro-NATO liberals. I doubt that the "Pillars of USAPol" would ever be allowed to join the Communist parties in places like China, Cuba or Vietnam. Can you say that somebody that promotes right-wing Black nationalists like Tariq Nasheed could be called a supporter of communism in any way?
>>2443164>The solution…Is to crack down on these bad-faith cancerous shitposters, which is what would have happened almost anywhere else.
>>2443152lenin was so fucking based thanks anon
>>2443155unfortunately accurate, especially as far as the Brest treaty is concerned
>>2443163>>2443152>>2443157>He draws several distinctions between American Imperialism (propelled by the American Bourgeoisie) and the American People. Modern Maoists, however, make no such distinction and dehumanize American workers as pigs licking their chops to murder people. Literally everything Lenin says on America counteracts the attitude these retards adopt, but they'll lie to your face and claim they're the "true Marxists" while contradicting Lenin at every turn and desiring nothing more than to spread misery to countless millions of people in the name of "penance".You are totally incorrect. Lenin hated ameriKKKans. You are fascists who would have been shot
>Out of the enormous superprofits acquired from imperialist exploitation—profits gained over and above those extracted from the workers of their “own” country—the capitalists of the “advanced” nations are able to bribe their working class, known as the labour aristocracy. This bribery is carried out in a thousand different ways, both direct and indirect, overt and covert. This stratum of workers-turned-bourgeois becomes thoroughly philistine in its mode of life, its level of earnings, and its entire outlook, forming the principal social (not military) prop of the bourgeoisie in our time and the main base of support for the Second International. As real agents of the bourgeoisie within the working-class movement, these labour lieutenants of the capitalist class act as vehicles for reformism and chauvinism. In the inevitable civil war between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, they side in no small numbers with the bourgeoisie, just as the “Versaillese” did against the “Communards.” >>2443171Ah, mea culpa. Someone else brought up the example of that one particular piece of excrement. However my thoughts remain the same: while a horrific act that offends moral sensibilities, throwing out anecdotes which highlight the horrors of U.S. imperialism as a means of condemning the American people basically serve no purpose but to demoralize and frustrate attempts at building Socialism in America.
Let me use a comparative example: you had slavery in America. Vicious, brutal, race-based slavery. Yet Marx still had plenty of positive things to say about Lincoln and America in general, hell he considered settling in Texas for a while. And let's not pretend "well he didn't know just HOW evil it was!" When there was a cottage industry of abolitionists highlighting the horrors of American slavery.
I've got no problem being the "bad guy" on this, coming across as callous or whatever, because the bait that so many Maoists and TWists like to put out is exclaiming "Well you HAVE to be as angry as I am about this or you SUPPORT it!" But the fact is that normal people don't stay up at night haunted by some "collective guilt" for crimes that occurred over one hundred years ago. Hell, I doubt even the Germans have some "dark night of the soul" where they're lying awake thinking: "Why oh WHY did I have to be born GERMAN?! After everything we did! OHhhh I'm a monster!" Marx certainly didn't think that way, Engels definitely didn't, Lenin didn't. Lenin despised the pogroms and put a stop to them, but in rallying against them he didn't shackle the entire Russian people to the Black Hundreds. He didn't say that those who never participated in pogroms still bore the original sin of being born Russian. Lenin himself, certainly, didn't feel responsible for the evils of Russia's Tsardom.
But this attitude that TWists have? It's modern. It has its roots in the Weather Underground. They were saying the same thing that modern TWists say: unless you're actively fighting a civil war in your own country, you're a racist fascist who is
directly responsible for the evils your bourgeoisie commits.
>>2443172Is it my job to cater to their feelings, now?
>>2443185>Are confrontations between white supremacists and black gangsters common in the US prison system like it's shown in American movies?From what I understand, it's complicated. There's this podcast I watch ("Fresh Out" I think?) and they kind of go into the dynamic of race in Prisons. Basically: there are crimes that Black Men are "allowed" to be in prison for and crimes that White Men are "allowed" to be in prison for. Pretty sure Pedophilia is a no-go for both.
They say you can fraternize with members of other gangs, but when push comes to shove you stick with your race no matter how friendly the other prisoners are.
There was this guy in the New Afrikan Black Panther Party who was locked in prison with a bunch of neo-nazis I think. Kind of an attempt by the guards to get him indirectly murdered. He ended up convincing them to work with him in the name of Prisoner solidarity.
>>2443192I say vile shit because the entire premise of TWist arguments is to play on a sense of empathy.
Do I actually have callous indifference to the suffering America causes around the world? Of course not, but I know how these games work; it's pure sociopathic manipulation. If appearing callous is needed to cut through the bullshit then I'm willing to appear callous. You see Israel do the same thing all the fucking time: "Stop Antisemitism!" "Have you considered how bad antisemitism is!" "Okay, but what about Antisemitism?!" And all this exists to try to shelter Israel's reputation, to draw some parallel between opposing a literal genocide and supporting gas chambers. They'll bring up one horrific crime after another to prey on empathy and you either end up some blubbering loser who can't call these guys out on their bullshit, you adopt their insane worldview because they "beat" you, or you become some ogre who says "to hell with this" to their whole premise. People will hate you for the last option, but it's better than letting the lunatics run the asylum.
I was raised with that same bullshit. If you don't do something someone wants you to? "Ohh, you're killing your poor grandparents. Ohhh think of all the stress you're causing them!" You fumble some test or whatever? "Oh, you just
don't care. You just never cared! You're lazy! You just don't give a fuck about ANYTHING do you?!"
It's literally a narcissists playbook.
>>2443217zero
>>2443224he's right, are you just gonna suck up to them or are you gonna do it? their strategy is to bully you into conceding every point by playing with your emotions, don't give them that and they have no ground to stand on
>>2443213They'll declare victory no matter what: if you say "sorry" then you're admitting to guilt. If you're going on long diatribes trying to do the "I feel you, I understand your pain, I sympathize" then the TWist is legitimized because his position comes from "deep personal pain" and not his own anti-social mind. If you say "Whatever, I don't care" they'll screech from the rooftops: "SEE! SEE! HE DOESN'T CARE! HE DOESN'T CARE THAT CHILDREN ARE BEING KILLED!"
There's no real "winning" an argument with them, because their attitudes are insane and pathological. Again, it's like arguing with a narcissist. They'll go on and on about how their "feelings" are hurt; saying sorry lets them assert you were totally in the wrong, trying to cheer them up just gives them the rush of you mewling for them, but by saying "I don't care" they go into a rage because the one thing they really want, power over you, you're rejecting wholesale. Them screeching to everyone that you're bad is them lashing out at their failure to gain power. Now hopefully people realize what cunts they are and so the damage they do is minimized.
That's how I fundamentally perceive these guys: narcissists. They're less playing for revolution and more trying to dominate some insular social hierarchy by being the MOST revolutionary, the MOST radical, the MOST outraged at injustice. It's an act, one which becomes obvious when you realize that for however much they scream at other people to start shooting, they've got no skin in the game.
>>2443236>>2443235So I just wanna say I totally see where you're coming from, I honestly do. And I hope I don't come across as angry or dismissing you out of hand. I think the thing is, we've had some pretty different life experiences.
Look I was raised in a family where my earliest memories involve doors being punched in and screaming matches that end with stuff being destroyed. I once got a phone call from my Aunt, talked with her a bit, then informed my Dad later in the evening that his sister called, when I couldn't remember word for word what she said I was drawn into this bizarre stare down where he kept asserting that I didn't "forget", I just "wasn't listening" and being "inconsiderate". I've always had a faulty memory, but everything I said was just warped around to "Well you're lazy, you didn't listen."
And I know, truly, that to normal people, there's this idea of "rising above it", but in my experience what that does is just cause things to settle into an unfair status quo. The narcissist in question gets to just trample over everyone. Honestly, I think that's how Trump got as far as he did. He calls someone's wife a whore and he just asserts, "Well it's true." You say nothing? You're the cuck with the whore wife. You demand an apology? You're a bitch begging daddy Trump to say sorry. You "go high" while he "goes low"? Then the worst you can say is "he's dangerous, he's a bad man" while he's out there saying your wife is taking it up the ass.
Warships From the ‘Gringo Empire’ Move Close, but Many Venezuelans Shrug
President Nicolás Maduro said Venezuela would not back down while facing a U.S. naval buildup. But many in the country doubt a confrontation will come at all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/world/americas/trump-venezuela-maduro-regime-change.html>>2443157well, man, by the time America was
not as reactionary as Europe was: monarchy-ridden shitholes.
IRS plans to bring back workers it pushed out
Thousands of staffers left the tax agency, and now managers have found vacancies in critical areas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/08/22/irs-workers-rehire-buyouts/Netanyahu’s office calls Gaza famine declaration a ‘modern blood libel’
US State Department largely dismisses UN report, says it's 'looking into credible reports that the IPC recently changed its definition for what constitutes a famine'
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-office-calls-gaza-famine-declaration-a-modern-blood-libel/The Education Department has concluded that George Mason University violated federal civil rights law by using race in hiring and promotion, the department said Friday, as the Trump administration ramps up its scrutiny of the Northern Virginia institution.
The department’s Office of Civil Rights said George Mason President Gregory Washington should issue an apology to the university community as part of a proposed resolution agreement. It also called on the university to conduct trainings to ensure race is not used in any policy and revise policies as necessary.
In a statement, acting assistant secretary for civil rights Craig Trainor alleged Washington implemented “unlawful DEI policies that intentionally discriminate on the basis of race.” The actions, the department said, violates Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2025/08/22/george-mason-education-department-dei-civil-rights/>>2443152Your anti-communist party ignores Lenin entirely when it suits them. The foundation of Leninism is using the armed body of the proletariat to smash the imperialist state. But since your anti-communist party supports the bourgeois state, you must ignore the very foundations of Leninist doctrine in favor of your bourgeois national socialism, which you say Lenin would have supported.
No. Lenin would have supported organizing the American proletariat into an army which would combine legal and illegal means to crush the state and destroy imperialism, which your anti-communist party actively opposes and has for its entire history. You are not Leninists, you are not Marxists and you are not communists. You aren't even social Democrats. You are the sheepdogs of the liberals in the Democratic party who want to continue and maintain the system of imperialism indefinitely. Your goal is not to build a communist America, since such a formation would naturally be anti-imperialist, which you do not care about at all, but rather to reform imperialism into a less self destructive form that can maintain its rule forever.
Like most fascists, you use the aesthetics of socialism and communism to advance your movement while rejecting their substance entirely.
Trump aims to end millions in grants to colleges with high Hispanic populations
The move threatens the future of similar programs to help minority students.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2025/08/22/college-grants-hispanic-populations/After the U.S. Department of the Interior ordered all work on the nearly complete Revolution Wind project to stop on Friday, National Ocean Industries Association (NOIA) President Erik Milito issued the following statement
"Revolution Wind is already under construction and nearly complete, representing years of planning, billions in private investment, and significant progress for America’s offshore energy supply chain. Any pause or uncertainty at this stage could ripple across jobs, contracts, and communities already benefiting from the project.
“These projects are not only about energy. They advance priorities of the Administration by restoring American manufacturing, strengthening shipbuilding, modernizing ports, and building the reliable power needed to support data centers and AI innovation.
“Today, the U.S. has only one fully operational large-scale offshore wind project producing power. That is not enough to meet America’s rising energy needs. We need more energy of all types, including oil and gas, wind, and new and emerging technologies. Offshore projects take years of investment before delivering results, and stable, consistent policy is essential to keep that progress moving.
"The totality of America’s offshore energy industry, including oil and gas, wind, carbon capture and storage, and deep sea mining, is driving more stability for consumers, more jobs nationwide, and a stronger future for America."
https://www.worldoil.com/news/2025/8/22/noia-speaks-out-after-trump-halts-nearly-complete-revolution-wind-project/Trump says he’ll keep extending TikTok shutdown deadline
“We’re gonna watch the security concerns,” Trump told reporters, but added, “We have buyers, American-buyers,” and “until the complexity of things work out, we just extend a little bit longer.”
His comments follow the White House starting a TikTok account this week.
“I used TikTok in the campaign,” Trump said.
“I’m a fan of TikTok,” he said. “My kids like TikTok. Young people love TikTok. If we could keep it going.”
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/national-business/trump-says-hell-keep-extending-tiktok-shutdown-deadline-11113451Defense Department civilians are volunteering by the hundreds for temporary details with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), joining efforts to bolster operations at the troubled southern border under President Donald Trump’s priority to secure it.
In under 48 hours, nearly 500 volunteers answered the president's call of duty, as assignments became available via USAJOBS.com. Recruiting agencies include Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
"This is a national security problem, and our civilians have the critical skill sets to support DHS in their mission," Deputy Assistant Defense Secretary for Civilian Personnel Policy Michael A. Cogar said. "We're proud that our civilians are already willing to sign up."
Assignments last up to 180 days, providing skills ranging from intelligence analysis to detention support.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hundreds-dod-civilians-accept-call-duty-southern-border-mission-under-trumps-order>>2443331fascist counry
fascist society
Q: "Are you going to fire Lisa Cook, the Fed Governor?"
President Trump: "Yeah, I'll fire her if she doesn't resign. What she did was bad."
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-says-will-fire-fed-governor-cook-doesnt-resign-rcna226554https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_D._CookLisa DeNell Cook is an American economist who has served as a member of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors since May 23, 2022. She is the first African American woman and first woman of color to sit on the Board. Before her appointment to the Federal Reserve Board, she was elected in January 2022 to the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.[1]
The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is asking Nevada election officials for personally identifiable information — including driver’s license and partial Social Security numbers — for all registered voters, an escalation of the Trump administration’s efforts to wade into state-run elections.
The DOJ sent a letter to the Nevada Secretary of State’s Office last week requesting that information for all 2.1 million registered voters within seven days to assess the state’s compliance with federal election laws.
In a written response obtained by The Nevada Independent, the secretary of state’s office said on Thursday that the “request is unprecedented in its scope, its purported basis, and its purported urgency.” It added that the office will need more time to assess the legality of the request.
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/trump-admin-asks-nevada-for-voters-driver-license-partial-social-security-numbersNEW DELHI: India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi will visit Japan and China from August 29 to September 1, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said.
In a continuation of ongoing engagement, earlier this week, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi met Prime Minister Narendra Modi and handed over a message and an invitation from President Xi Jinping for the SCO Summit in Tianjin, China.
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi paid an official visit to India from August 18 to 19. Prime Minister Narendra Modi received Wang Yi, a Member of the Politburo of the Communist Party and the Foreign Minister of China.
https://english.khabarhub.com/2025/23/492336/'Ominous turn': WallStreetJournal editors torch Trump after public 'revenge campaign'
Trump's "revenge campaign" on Bolton "took an ominous turn Friday," the board wrote. "They brought two broad warrants to search the 'premises.' Agents showed up unannounced at his Bethesda, Md., home at 7 a.m. They confiscated his wife Gretchen’s phone because it was visible and not on her person. Mr. Bolton had already left for his office, which is where FBI agents greeted him." Meanwhile, FBI Director Kash Patel publicly boasted about the whole operation, posting, "NO ONE is above the law … @FBI agents on mission."
"It’s hard to see the raid as anything other than vindictive," the board wrote, particularly since it follows similar beats to the FBI search at Mar-a-Lago that led to the criminal classified information removal case against Trump himself.
The investigation possibly stems from Trump's longstanding accusations that Bolton exposed classified information in his tell-all book about his time in the Trump administration — even though, as the board noted, "the book had gone through an extensive pre-publication scrub at the White House for classified material," and the Biden administration saw no need to pursue the matter.
Ultimately, this is a flimsy reason to criminally investigate Bolton, the board wrote — and clearly has ulterior motives.
"The President may also hope the FBI raid will cause Mr. Bolton to shut up, though knowing him we can’t imagine that working," the board concluded. "The real offender here is a President who seems to think he can use the powers of his office to run vendettas. We said this was one of the risks of a second Trump term, and it’s turning out to be worse than we imagined."
https://www.rawstory.com/john-bolton-raid/Maria Corina Machado the opposition leader in Venezuela did an interview with fox news a day ago. It is the second half of this video
She did an interview with this guy too who is THE FOUNDER OF PALANTIR
https://blog.joelonsdale.com/p/ep-124-the-fearless-adversary-of
>Joseph Lonsdale (born 1982 or 1983)[1] is an American entrepreneur and venture capitalist. He co-founded companies including Palantir Technologies, Addepar, and OpenGov, and co-founded and serves as the managing partner at the technology investment firm 8VC.Lonsdale began his career as an intern at PayPal, then worked as an early executive at Clarium Capital, a hedge fund run by Lonsdale's mentor, Peter Thiel. In 2004, he, Thiel, Alex Karp, Stephen Cohen, and Nathan Gettings co-founded Palantir Technologies, a data mining and defense technology company. Lonsdale left Palantir in 2009 and co-founded Addepar, a wealth management technology company. Lonsdale co-founded the venture capital firm Formation 8 in 2011, and another called 8VC in 2015.
Lonsdale has been outspoken about politics, and is an active Republican donor and fundraiser. He founded the conservative Cicero Institute think tank, and co-founded the private University of Austin.
Joe Lonsdale net worth is 3.3 billion dollars
https://www.forbes.com/profile/joe-lonsdale/Richard Grenell, President Donald Trump’s envoy for special missions, told Newsmax on Friday that the president should focus his next anti-crime initiative on Los Angeles rather than Chicago or New York once federal efforts in Washington, D.C., conclude.
“I actually suggested in the Oval Office today that the president move Los Angeles up a little bit more and try to make them next,” Grenell said.
“We’ve got the Olympics coming in Los Angeles, and the city is a mess. The homeless people are everywhere. It’s making it very unsafe. Crime is out of control. We’ve got an illegal immigrant problem.
“And so, I’m not so sure that Los Angeles is going to be ready for the Olympics unless President Trump can send in some help.”
“The mayors of these cities have had long enough, and the people are complaining,” Grenell said. “President Trump is just responding to what the people want.
“The people of Los Angeles deserve to have safety. That’s all we’re talking about: doing the things the mayor and the governor have failed to do.”
“The people want someone to do it,” he said. “President Trump can do it.”
https://www.kvor.com/2025/08/22/richard-grenell-to-newsmax-trump-should-tackle-la-crime-after-d-c/>>2443409We need some sort of caretaker government to do away with the Democratic and Republican Parties if we hope to achieve socialism any time soon.
>>2443411I don't think most people realize it, and if they do, bourgeois media is not going to report on their resistance to it.
I believe in "totalitarianism" simply because the American regime still exists.
Economist Stephen Moore joined Larry Kudlow’s Fox Business show on Friday, and the two both strongly condemned the Trump administration taking over 10% of chipmaker Intel, which was just announced.
After a glowing discussion about Trump’s economy, Kudlow asked Moore, “How about the U.S. Government owning 10% of Intel?”
“I hate corporate welfare. That’s privatization in reverse. We want the government to divest of assets, not buy assets. So terrible, one of the bad ideas that’s come out of this White House,” said Moore, who recently joined Donald Trump in the Oval Office with a presentation to explain to reporters just how great Trump’s economy is.
“I am very, very uncomfortable with that idea. I’m very uncomfortable with that one, but that’s a conversation for another meal on another day. Thank you, Steve Moore,” added Kudlow, who served in the first Trump administration and is a reliable Trump booster in the media.
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/larry-kudlow-slams-trump-admin-nationalizing-part-of-intel-very-very-uncomfortable-with-that-idea/Lawrence Alan Kudlow (born August 20, 1947) is an American conservative broadcast news analyst, economist, columnist, journalist, political commentator, and radio personality. He is a financial news commentator for Fox Business and served as the director of the National Economic Council during the Trump Administration from 2018 to 2021. He assumed that role after his previous employment as a CNBC television financial news host.[1][2] By 2024 Kudlow was the vice chair of the board of the America First Policy Institute, a nonprofit think tank developing policies for the second Trump presidency.[3][4]
>>2443418>I don't think most people realize it, and if they do, bourgeois media is not going to report on their resistance to it.I think a lot of people are starting to see the writing on the wall and either don't care, feel hopeless, or they're in denial like the MAGGATS.
>I believe in "totalitarianism" simply because the American regime still exists.Vidrel might interest you then.
(JTA) — A large Orthodox Jewish school in Brooklyn is requiring parents to prove they are registered to vote before the new school year begins — in an unprecedented policy that comes as a democratic socialist and critic of Israel leads New York City’s mayoral race.
In a brief letter to families this week, Magen David Yeshivah, a flagship institution of the city’s Syrian Jewish community, framed the requirement as a way to strengthen civic engagement and safeguard communal interests.
“We trust that our parent body understands that this policy stems from and reflects our school’s commitment to ensuring that our community plays an active role in shaping the policies that affect us all every day,” the letter said. “Registering to vote is a small but critical step toward protecting the future of our yeshivot and our broader community.”
https://forward.com/fast-forward/764074/as-nyc-mayoral-race-heats-up-a-jewish-school-is-now-requiring-parents-to-show-proof-of-voter-registration/U.S. Senator Roger Wicker, R-Miss., and U.S. Senator Deb Fischer embarked on a trip to the Indo-Pacific region on Friday as part of efforts to strengthen U.S. national security interests.
The Congressional Delegation (CODEL), including Wicker and Fischer, will first stop at military installations in Hawaii before meetings in Guam, Tinian, Palau, the Philippines, and most notably, Taiwan.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/wicker-fischer-taiwan-indo-pacific-trip/How a man says he fell for a travel scam while rebooking a United Airlines flight
Dan Smoker said he was out $17,000 as a result of the incident.
Once United started looking into the matter, it told Smoker the call on its end lasted roughly 13 minutes, but Smoker's call records, which were reviewed by ABC News, show he was connected to United for more than three hours, he said.
United Airlines told ABC that the initial investigation shows a United agent was doing her best to help Smoker, and because he was trying to book on another airline, the agent googled the other airline's phone number and transferred him to a scammer by accident. The agent was supposed to use an internal system to look up the phone number, but didn't follow proper protocol, the carrier told ABC News. United is working with American Express to make the situation right for Smoker, the airline said.
"We've been in direct contact with the customer to understand what happened in this case, and we are reviewing this matter thoroughly," United Airlines said in a statement to ABC. "We're committed to finding a fair resolution for him."
What happened with Smoker is categorized as a business imposter scam, according to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), where the scammer impersonates a business or government agency or another entity an individual might trust. This is one of the top complaints of fraud reported to the FTC by the public. Airlines have been among the top spoofed companies. Experts say scammers post fake customer service phone numbers for airlines and they often are the top search result when a customer searches Google.
Data from the FTC shows that there were more than 500,000 reports of imposter fraud in the first half of 2025, with over $1.6 billion reported in losses.
"This is a cautionary tale for businesses and for everyone. If people are looking for contact information online, they need to be very careful and click on naturally occurring search results," said Kati Daffan, Assistant Director in the FTC's Division of Marketing Practices. "What we see is that scammers will place paid advertisements and try to trick people into thinking that that's the real contact information for a business or for a government agency even. And so it's really important that folks know to look for those natural search results, not the paid ads."
Smoker says he is still waiting to hear how American Express and United Airlines are going to make it right and get him back his money.
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Travel/man-fell-travel-scam-rebooking-united-airlines-flight/story?id=124873491>>2443427I am but nothing will happen, moron. These same ameriKKKans who harass anyone who speaks against ameriKKKans with obscene content are the usual pig chauvenists and racists and imperialists.
>>2443426 ameriKKKans are murderous treatlerite devils, not babies
US President Donald Trump has likened a meeting between Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Russian President Vladimir Putin to “mixing oil and vinegar”, indicating that his administration has been unable to get the two leaders to talk.
“We’re going to see if Putin and Zelenskyy will be working together, you know, that’s like oil and vinegar, a little bit. They don’t get along too well for obvious reasons, but we’ll see,” Trump said.
When asked about his own participation in the talks, the president said, “And then we’ll see whether or not I would have to be there. I would rather not. I would rather have them have a meeting and see how they can do. But in the meantime, they continue to fight and they continue to kill people, which is very stupid because they’re losing 7000 people.”
https://www.firstpost.com/world/trump-says-getting-zelenskyy-and-putin-together-like-mixing-oil-and-vinegar-as-prospects-of-meeting-fade-13927295.htmlThis article is pure schizophrenia. Funny to read
https://rairfoundation.com/mamdanis-inner-circle-includes-communists-radical-islamic-supremacists/Mamdani’s Inner Circle Includes Communists, Radical Islamic Supremacists and Anti-Israel Activists
>>2443259>tech brobug man
>these lectures are off the recordvery Eyes Wide Shut, the movie about the pagan Jeffrey Epstein PMC class
Cuomo transfers old funds for mayoral run as Mamdani raises $1M
Democratic nominee Zohran Mamdani has the most money on hand in the NYC mayoral race as of the latest campaign finance filing.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/22/cuomo-mamdani-new-york-00521116>>2443476People should be free to send their kids to religious schools but they certainly shouldn't be treated as government-accredited institutions. Like sunday school is fine. As someone raised Muslim it was pretty cool going to Mosque on saturdays and hanging out with friends in the community that you wouldn't see at public school. But in no way was it like…a replacement for public school.
Just my take idk.
A lawyer representing the online message board 4chan says it won't pay a proposed fine by the UK's media regulator as it enforces the Online Safety Act.
According to Preston Byrne, managing partner of law firm Byrne & Storm, Ofcom has provisionally decided to impose a £20,000 fine "with daily penalties thereafter" for as long as the site fails to comply with its request.
"Ofcom's notices create no legal obligations in the United States," he told the BBC, adding he believed the regulator's investigation was part of an "illegal campaign of harassment" against US tech firms.
Ofcom has declined to comment while its investigation continues.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq68j5g2nr1o>>2443411DEATH DRIVE
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>>2443525it's way more common than you think
>>2443522some zoomers work in nursing homes and know this stuff, it's not really a generational thing. yeah part of being young is not being in touch with what old people go through but that obviously is a problem each generation goes through.
>>2443337let's be real. evangelical and jewish zios are 10x more evil than fundamentalist muslims who are either
>CIA cutouts funded by evangelical zios (ISIS)or
>enemies of western imperialism (hamas, hezbollah, houthis) >>2443559To play devils advocate a bit, would you say the same thing if you were a woman living in Afghanistan?
Sure they are enemies of western imperialism but I'd still not ally myself with fundies of any flavor. They're all crazy. If Muslim fundamentalists had the same power as Christians or Jews they'd be just as awful on a global scale instead of localized to their Islamic theocracies.
I will give the Muslim fundies credit for at least taking a stand against Zionism when no one else will. They could've easily made a deal with the Jews to retain power over their little fiefdoms like the Saudis did, but instead choose to resist.
>>2443573Orthodox Marxists would probably laugh at us for calling anyone "evil" or making moral judgements because they were all nerds but I think it's politically productive to identify which of your enemies are truly evil and not rational actors. Normies at the very least don't concern themselves with philosophy enough to care about the deep implications of making moral judgements. An unwillingness to call out evil for what it is is what they can see, and when that happens they are prone to rationalizing the evil and becoming comfortable with it as the new status quo if it isn't called out immediately. We should be proactive in naming and shaming the people committing actual evils in society to avoid normies growing accustomed to it.
Sorry I'm kinda going on an autistic rant about my own thoughts.
>>2443587not what i said. i simply pointed out that NATO has used "we're liberating the hecking women from the fundies" as an excuse for every war crime committed over the past 25 years.
But also there's an important thing you're missing THE MOST RIGHT WING ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS WERE ALWAYS FUNDED BY WESTERN IMPERIALISTS ANYWAY IN ORDER TO OVERTHROW BA'ATHIST/SOCIALIST/JAMAHIRIYA GOVERNMENTS.
Seriously think for a fuckin second and ask yourself why America loves ETIM and the "moderate rebels" in syria and saudi arabia but wanted to overthrow assad, gaddafi, and saddam.
Operation Cyclone in 1979 literally pitted Osama Bin Laden and right wing mujahideen against a soviet-allied Socialist government in Afghanistan.
>>2443593>Why does CPUSAnon talk shit about the Weather Underground when they have objectively accomplished more than the CPUSA ever hasThe CPUSA played a major role in bringing the labour movement into existence in America and elevating it to the influence it enjoyed from the New Deal to the rise of neoliberalism. What did the Weather Underground accomplish exactly?
>They have been on the vanguard of exactly zero struggles in their entire history. Again, they were the vanguard of the entire labour movement in the 30s and 40s, and they were also taking action on Civil Rights decades before it was in vogue. Also, their relationship with the Democratic party was adopted under the advice and pressure of the CPSU, and later ruling communist parties in China and Cuba that they maintain formal ties with. Its a stupid policy but it was basically calculated harm reduction they were urged toward by AES governments.
>>2443605>CPUSA played THE major role in killing the labor movement, defanging it and subordinating it to the Democratic partyactually that was FDR and the AFL-CIO
>indeed the entire goal of their party.not from the beginning, just after Browderism and McCarthyism and Taft-Hartley. 1947 was peak CPUSA membership so treating them like they're super relevant to the death of the labor movement in this country just seems like scapegoating tbh.
>>2443603Felix is still sperging out, eh?
Also him saying the Weather Underground accomplished more than the CPUSA is a great explanation of his politics. The Weather Underground got its own members killed and the most radical thing they did was blow up an empty toilet in the pentagon. The CPUSA helped build the AFL-CIO, worked closely with the Amazon Labor Union, spied on the American government, etcetera.
But as I've said before, Felix is just a narcissist. He likes the Weather Underground because they were frankly just rude douchebags. That's his idea of "revolution", it's seeing a sign that says "please clean up after your dog" and then squatting down to take a shit. In his heart of hearts he's really just an Anarchist. It's not about politics, it's just about being an abrasively loud douchebag. Getting a bunch of your comrades killed because they fumbled building a bomb is "based" because they seemed really
really angry. Quietly working to build a labor union is "cringe" because you aren't spitting in peoples' faces.
Shit, the dude's fucking email for his newsletters is based off some weird exploitation book about some Nazi ghoul going around raping and murdering people. That's essentially just his politics, it's fetishizing mindless violence and fascism, but acting "opposed" to it the same way some /pol/cuck fetishizes interracial pornography to say "LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF THEY'RE FORCING ME TO WATCH!"
>>2443611Why is the labor movement defined, exactly?
Could it be because the CPUSA is a strictly legalist party that will only wage a struggle acceptable to the bourgeoise, and so when bourgeois laws cut down on the power of the Unions and the Communist movement, the CPUSA found itself incapable of mounting any resistance?
This is a rethorical question.
As a legalist and therefore anti-communist party, the CPUSA exists only to shepherd the energy of the left into forms that are acceptable to the bourgeoisie. This is their goal and always has been, as is the goal of all legalist parties. There is a reason why Lenin dedicated entire books to the necessity of combining legal and illegal action together, and it's clear you have read none of them.
>>2443612Do you have an entire folder full of fascist propaganda or do you have to look for it when I post?
By the way, the email address is from a GWAR song. They're what you call a parody, which is what the CPUSA would be if it was funny.
>>2443618Reactionaries will react. What did the CPUSA do about it?
Oh yeah. Nothing. Because their party was always specifically built to do nothing. This is what happens when you are a strictly legalist party trying to "win the battle of democracy" by collaborating with the state instead of smashing the state with the armed body of the proletariat like Lenin said.
>>2443630Stalin needed allies in the war against fascism. In that regard, the Democrats were a slightly lesser evil. But after the war the United States became the center of fascism in the world when it absorbed the Third Reich and Fascist Japan almost in their entirety and then weaponized their worst elements against the USSR and China, all under the watchful eye of the Harvard educated business moguls who made up the early CIA.
This analysis was obvious to everyone in the world except for the dimwit Khrushchev, who dismantled the CPSU and allowed in a fifth column under the banner of "De-Stalinization", a program which the CPUSA enthusiastically took on.
>>2443639so you didn't read or learn or acknowledge that the US backed fundamentalists against communism and that the liberal imperialist rhetoric of "freeing women from fundamentalism" has always been a bad faith distraction by the very same intelligence agencies that armed the fundies against socialism?
so you're still mischaracterizing my point as "defending fundamentalism" and you refuse to read anything I post? Seems like an illiteracy problem on your part. Or you're just a liberal unironically shilling a "NATO defends women in afghanistan" narrative and deliberately ignoring information to the contrary.
>>2443639it disgusts me how you can just run your mouth and ignore any fucking information to the contrary. i'm really starting to believe everyone is on drugs, alcoholic, or illiterate. you can directly contradict their "points" with mountains of evidence and they don't read or give you the bot stare because they're so addicted putting off a badass image of "not caring"
"me ne frego" was a fash slogan for a reason
>>2443639like seriously where the FUCK do you get off still pushing this narrative when my very first reply to you was
<not what i said. i simply pointed out that NATO has used "we're liberating the hecking women from the fundies" as an excuse for every war crime committed over the past 25 years.you just LIE LIE LIE and don't fucking read
>>2443621>Oh yeah. Nothing. So what should they have done about it?
>trying to "win the battle of democracy" by collaborating with the stateYou should really only be blaming the CPUSA for that to the extent that they followed Soviet advice too much instead of forging their own path. That's a valid criticism but idk why you aren't just saying that instead of all this nonsense about the party was "designed to do nothing". Certainly the US government didn't think it was some benign controlled opposition and they repressed it ruthlessly.
>instead of smashing the state with the armed body of the proletariat like Lenin saidThis can only be done under the correct conditions which are clearly lacking in America. The only armed revolutionary party to have any success in America was the Black Panthers and even they were pretty easily crushed and a spent force within a few years of their formation.
>>2443655US ARMED AFGHAN MUJAHIDEEN TO DESTROY TARAKI SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT, THESE WERE FORERUNNERS OF TALIBAN YOU RETARD
NOBODY KNOWS HISTORY THEY JUST GIVE YOU ROBOT STARE
>>2443654>What should have they done? Go underground and continue to wage the struggle as an illegal formation, like the Bolsheviks and every other successful revolutionary group did when the state tried to repress them.
Your goal is to create the conditions where you can smash the state with the armed body of the proletariat, not to meekly wait for the state to smash itself after you collaborate with it.
The fact is that legalism is a dead end at best and actively anti-communist (as it is counter-revolutionary) at worst. Everyone knows this. Lenin and Marx know this, and said as much frequently. The CPUSA however decided that their goal was not to smash the state but to support it against all enemies from the left.
>>2443668>like the Bolsheviks and every other successful revolutionary group did when the state tried to repress themThe Bolsheviks were tiny and irrelevant until the Tsarist government imploded on itself and Russia was effectively a failed state. This is the thing so many people seem to fail to grasp. Revolutions pretty much only ever happen in countries where the ruling class grip on power is extremely weak for reasons typically unrelated to the revolutionaries themselves. In Russia and China the state had already been shattered by war and internal conflict before the communists could take power. In Vietnam, Korea, and Yugoslavia the communists filled a power vacuum left by a retreating invader. Absent conditions such as this revolutionaries almost always fail. This isn't meant to be defeatist, but the fact is that simply turning to underground armed work is not at all guaranteed to yield better results than strictly legal work.
>Your goal is to create the conditions where you can smash the state with the armed body of the proletariatSorry Anon, but historically speaking these are conditions which arise from forces far beyond the control of even large and competent revolutionary movements.
>>2443657stfu you ameriKKKan pig. im not derailing shit except this pig's nonsense. The matter of the fact is you all should be glad to be graced to die for the Taliban.
>>2443660of course, the ameriKKKan pig defends social fascist USSR. Afghanistan is now freed by the Taliban and the social fascist capitalist U$$R is dead. You are next, ameriKKKan.
>>2443657>>2443255>deserveOh absolutely.
Following the maxim "let justice be done, though the heavens may fall"
Well, it'd be better to fry than let the present state continue.
People generally fall into two camps "noo nukes are le bad" (weak-minded), or "just burn it all" (understandable, but either way, we can't decide what will happen, anyway)
I am much more nuanced on the question of nuclear destruction. Might be a good move, might be not. We will see in the coming decades. Already soon.
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>>2443172>we deserve to be destroyedNavigating this thread is a drag.
>>2443612>worked closely with the Amazon Labor UnionWasn't the Amazon Labor Union's sole accomplishment unionizing a single warehouse that the company still doesn't even acknowledge is actually unionized?
I really wish leftists would come to grips with the reality that trade unions have not actually accomplished anything of note in at least half a century. They have slowly but surely been transformed into company unions, usually directly affiliated with one of the ruling bourgeois parties (in this case, the Democrats; though some unions, like the Teamsters, have given repeated indications that they might break for the Republicans at some point.)
>>2443846There is quite literally nothing anyone who posts on this board can do about it, so being concerned or worried is a waste of time. It's a waiting game at this point. Maybe the slide into fascist dictatorship will be complete within the year, maybe it'll take a decade. Maybe there will be mass resistance, maybe there won't.
All I know is I have no intention of running like a coward and I will not hide my beliefs no matter what kind of policies the government adopts. If that means getting disappeared, so be it. I made my peace with that possibility years ago.
>>2443848>Maybe the slide into fascist dictatorship will be complete within the year, maybe it'll take a decadeThey don’t have a decade
>Maybe there will be mass resistance, maybe there won't. There will. They’ve made it a guarantee. The on maybe’s to ponder about is what form it will take.
>>2443733They’ve been trying to do this forever.
The last time they tried it their leader was found to have jewish ancestry and it all fell apart.
>>2443185That’s a lot of torture for one low level skinhead.
They must really hate them
>>2443735Incorrect. Russia failed largely because of the continuous resistance to Tsarist rule. Before 1918 there was 1905. Before that there had been almost a century of continuous struggle, including armed terrorism and even suicide bombing.
Furthermore, there is the example of South Africa, wherein the resistance was able to isolate and bleed the apartheid regime white through a combination of legal and illegal activities, eventually culminating in armed struggle. South Africa was a stable and wealthy country before the resistance was able to defeat it from within and end apartheid.
It is yet another failing of the CPUSA that when America was ripe for revolution, during the 1960s when the system of apartheid was still legally enforced and the draft was causing massive dissent, they chose the path of collaboration with the state instead of resistance.
>>2443925Trying to build unions or other parties is a much more useful and realistic endeavor then entertaining the idea that the Democratic Party can ever or will ever be anything other than a party of, by, and for the wealthy.
>>2443928And they are ready to be immediately replaced by the next generation neoliberal ghouls. Do you actually think there isn't an entire bureaucracy's worth of Pete Buttigieg clones?
>>2443942>By this logic one should be able to vote themselves into socialism. Why has it never happened then?Not like violent uprisings have a better track record. But once again to dispel this popular:
>Marxism = anti-electionsMeme that I'm kinda unsure who invented. One of the many so-called "Marxists" who never read a bit of Marx in their life.
I swear to god I need to make copypasta.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/09/08.htm>You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries – such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland – where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means.
<The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.
>We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.
>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.
>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
>Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
<1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.<2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.<3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.<4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.<5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.<6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.<7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.<8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.<9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.<10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
>When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.
>In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all. And there is couple other texts I need to add to my copypasta. The problem is that people who use words like "electoralism" or whatever are literally incapable of reading and comprehend the simplest statements from Marx, even if it's the shortest quotation possible. They are literally retarded. They operate completely off of feels, and like phone banking and like brushing their teeth and stuff, don't emotionally feel like what they want to do. Emotionally they want to die in a shootout with the cops, but actually not that, emotionally they just want to spend all day online trying to convince others to do it for them, so they can be alive to witness the last treatlerite get the bullet or whatever.
>>2443995>In view of the gigantic strides of Modern Industry since 1848, and of the accompanying improved and extended organization of the working class, in view of the practical experience gained, first in the February Revolution, and then, still more, in the Paris Commune, where the proletariat for the first time held political power for two whole months, this programme has in some details been antiquated. >>2444008Dual power is the period when the party and the bourgeois state coexist, when the old cannot rule in the old and the new cannot rule in the new, so they coexist for a while, build forces and eventually clash in civil war. idk how you got walmart into this
>>2444001community defense creating parallel structures to existing state power
lmao? When the chips are down the State would crush you like a bug. What you listed is helpful, but not revolutionary.
>>2444014>In view of the gigantic strides of Modern Industry since 1848, and of the accompanying improved and extended organization of the working class, in view of the practical experience gained, first in the February Revolution, and then, still more, in the Paris Commune, where the proletariat for the first time held political power for two whole months, this programme has in some details been antiquated. Not the part about advocating for VOOOTTING.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/09/08.htm>The International Working Men's Association, 1872>La Liberté Speech
>You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries – such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland – where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means. <there are countries – such as America, where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means. >>2444020yes, and then immediately after that
> This being the case, we must also recognize the fact that in most countries on the Continent the lever of our revolution must be force; it is force to which we must some day appeal in order to erect the rule of labor.+ labor aristocracy etc etc
>>2444019People have already been trying that for a century here and it hits the same roadblocks over and over again. Clearly something isn't working in our approach, and the solution isn't to just keep doing it again and again and again until we get lucky
>>2444017Building up vulnerable communities to the point where they can completely eschew relying on the state for survival is but one step. The fact of the matter is that as America collapses what little remains of its social services and infrastructure are going to completely collapse for many communities, with the exception of certain highly militarized strongholds where the Trump administration can establish control. With parallel structures already set in place we can mitigate the effects of malign neglect and in turn build ever growing pockets of resistance all over the place. Some of them will definitely get crushed by the state in this period, that's the reality of a protracted people's war after all, but militants can always relocate to a safer zone of operations and continue the fight. Meanwhile for every free community or city the feds get control over they also inherit a population overwhelmingly opposed to them and with the motivation, support networks, and training needed to sabotage the enemy from the inside.
>>2443973Marx was wrong about America and the America of 1872 is radically different from the America of 2025. Marxism is not a dogma that you just blindly ape, it is a tool you use to analyze history. You are not a materialist, you have just replaced the holy scripture with obscure speeches from Marx.
Of course, you also ignore Lenin, who actually put Marxism into practice, but we both know the reason for that. Lenin stressed action rather than just collaborating with the state.
>>2444024Yes, the monarchies on the
Continent in the 1800s where they didn't have any kind of voting rights.
>“Universal Suffrage is the equivalent for political power for the working class of England, where the proletariat forms the large majority of the population, where, in a long, though underground civil war, it has gained a clear consciousness of its position as a class, and where even the rural districts know no longer any peasants, but only landlords, industrial capitalists (farmers) and hired labourers. The carrying of Universal Suffrage in England would, therefore, be a far more socialist measure than anything which has been honoured with that name on the Continent. Its inevitable result, here, is the political supremacy of the working class.”>—“The Chartist Movement,” New York Tribune, 25 August 1852 (in Labour Monthly, December 1929) >>2444036You are the ones not taking the into consideration today. Today the situation is more impossible than it ever was for you to state a violent revolution in the developed Western world, something no communist movement has ever done. It is literally impossible that the state will let you organize enough people and weapons to overthrow the state.
Also, he was talking about these things in a time before we had:
UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE
>>“Universal Suffrage is the equivalent for political power for the working class … Its inevitable result, here, is the political supremacy of the working class.” >>2444037>form vanguardsyeah, the vanguard is not formed because the vanguard is just a word that means those at the advance of the working class movement. i think some trotskyites use the term 'organic intellectual'. you cannot make a movement of vanguards because that's putting the horse before the cart, but intelligents can make a vanguard movement which helps clarify communist demands (the working class movement by its movement reaches at best trade union consiousness) and connect them with their struggle.
>>2444041Yes, now find that quote of Engels which says that the results of a democracy show the ripeness of the working class movement. Now, look at election results today. Look at participation numbers. Who is leading? Not the communists. Why? Because bourgeois democracy has lost legitimacy everywhere across the continent. Because the proletariat is not voting.
>>2444051>The US economy is actually slowly expandingAt this point in Capitalism economists have long learned how to fudge the numbers to make it look like growth is infinite.
America's economy hasn't really "grown" since 2008 besides having a larger consumer base. The core productive industries are not growing. The middle class is shrinking. Labor is in a historically weak position. I know Liberalism has accustomed people to boom/bust cycles but shit is not getting better for anyone except the 1%, and every boom/bust cycle seems to only benefit those people. American workers are very much starting to feel the hopelessness if you talk to anyone irl.
>>2444052>America is 1880s Russia. Political violence, anarchists, black hundreds and an emerging proletariat (reindustrialization) + the yet-to-be-formed American Marxist intellectuals (American Plekhanov) which will succesfully criticize the old movement and formulate the demands of the new communist movement.Bruh.
>>2444056>1880s Russia didn’t control the world’s finances or hold the reserve currencyForget all that. The government fucking knows who all of us are. You think you can do anything before they know exactly what you're doing? If you try to do something 1 in 4 people probably will be an agent or an informant.
You guys just want to
LARP so bad. I would call you guys history nerds, but that's not fair, you guys are like fantasy nerds. You want to LARP as a bygone era that has no actual resemblance to the reality you live in.
>>24440791 - He's old
2 - 3 and a half years
3 - Because he does it himself and smells like feces so no one wants to touch him
If you ever ask these LARPers to just extrapolate the barest details of their vision it's impossible. Even the vaguest details hurts the wishful thinking.
So America deteriorates to the state of like 1917 Russia, Occupied China, 1970s Ethiopia, or some other undeveloped feudal monarchy, then…
Like lay out more details. Where is the government, where is the FBI, NSA, CPT, LGBT, and the rest of the alphabet in all of this? They're just like:
>You know what, let's let the communists have this one.
>>2444099I don't think governments are as competent as they project themselves to be. I genuinely believe you can in fact LARP yourself into overthrowing the government with nothing more than an angry mob at the right time and place.
The surveillance state apparatus is only ever used reactively, to character assassinate or manufacture pretext for harassing political dissidents. It's very ineffective(and this is proven) at stopping terrorism, much less local organizing which takes place in a country that is actually barely surveillance-capable outside of big cities. Have you ever seen those news reports on people going missing on hiking trails or in the woods/mountains? They use fucking helicopters and still can't find them for days/weeks/months. America's wilderness is vast and largely unmonitored. The surveillance state works great in big cities where most activism takes place, but once you exit the like 5 mile radius of Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, etc metro areas it's basically impossible for the government to track you without a cellphone. There's literally fugitives on the FBI most wanted list that are still living in t he US.
I'm not sure why burgers have this confidence in their government being the most advanced and sophisticated in the world when we've been electing nothing but retards for the last 60 years without fail.
>>2444110It very very much is not. Russia in the 1880's was an agrarian backwater too overextended for its own good while relying heavily on ethnic Russian chauvinism, welfare systems were nonexistent to the point they make America look like a social democracy by comparison, there was a growing industrial proletariat, etc. By contrast America today is nominally a constitutional democracy primarily focused on a service economy despite all of Trump's LARPing, mass communication allowing for decentralized networks to easily link with each other, a more robust type of patriotism that allows and other ethnicities to identify as American and defend the state, and it's also not directly conquering territory either instead relying on proxies.
This is not to say that revolution is impossible in America, but it will have to take a very VERY different form than what the Bolsheviks managed
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