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>>2442762 >>2444099I don't think governments are as competent as they project themselves to be. I genuinely believe you can in fact LARP yourself into overthrowing the government with nothing more than an angry mob at the right time and place.
The surveillance state apparatus is only ever used reactively, to character assassinate or manufacture pretext for harassing political dissidents. It's very ineffective(and this is proven) at stopping terrorism, much less local organizing which takes place in a country that is actually barely surveillance-capable outside of big cities. Have you ever seen those news reports on people going missing on hiking trails or in the woods/mountains? They use fucking helicopters and still can't find them for days/weeks/months. America's wilderness is vast and largely unmonitored. The surveillance state works great in big cities where most activism takes place, but once you exit the like 5 mile radius of Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, etc metro areas it's basically impossible for the government to track you without a cellphone. There's literally fugitives on the FBI most wanted list that are still living in t he US.
I'm not sure why burgers have this confidence in their government being the most advanced and sophisticated in the world when we've been electing nothing but retards for the last 60 years without fail.
reposting for new thread because I'm a narcissist
>>2444137tbh if you don't use mainstream social media you'll never be in their radar.
you ever notice whenever there's a mass shooting they only ever report on his facebook/twitter/discord posts? never his posts on 8chan or some other obscure forum.
these agencies only ever go for low hanging fruit because that's the most efficient use of their time. the las vegas shooter is still treated as a total "mystery" because the guy was old and didn't use facebook or twitter or anything so they couldn't figure out his motive without a internet trail.
>>2444137>I think the same exact way anon. I like to imagine the alphabet agencies like a bull in a giant china shop, where you can fly under the radar for a long time, but if you aren't careful and manage to get yourself noticed its game over. the problem is the average american is dumb enough not to realize this and they make mistakesIt's easy for any lone wolf to plan and get away with a lot of different kinds of crimes in the US. The question is how you would
ORGANIZE anything without them knowing?
Also you have to accept there is almost certainty you will be caught in a high profile case. Go point me to one high profile case where the suspect is unknown.
>>2444160>This is literally Leninism I don't know why you keep associating Lenin's plan with mine except for the fact that none of you have ever read State and Revolution.It's funny the came you faggots play. If I ever point out that Marx or Lenin said the opposite of your beliefs:
>Whoahhhh Lenin and Marx are way outdated bro!!! It's a different world!Anytime you are confronted:
>This is literally Leninism(the fact that Lenin didn't say this or that other things he said contradict what I'm saying don't matter) >>2444193Props on
kinda getting the creases out of your temu flag.
>>2444212My bad, I thought you meant legal openings to do "underground activity." I stand by my point is there is no possibility of a
Weather underground in the USA. They know what the fuck you're saying and doing if you're interacting with anyone who is not some person you've known since like childhood and trust with your life, and even then you have no idea.
>>2444217>Yes, legal activities should SUPPLEMENT underground activities. They should not replace them entirely. The problem is that there is no party in America which is even trying to wage an underground, illegal struggle. This means that they are supporting the imperialist state by waging a struggle which is acceptable to them. This strategy is doomed to fail. You must combine legal and illegal activities together in order to grow and preserve the movement and put maximum pressure on the state.I asked you people for the barest generalities of what kind of illegal shit you think you can do. But of course you fall back to the meme.
>>2444145>I'd love to tell share all my secret plans with you agent johnson give me a minute to type it all outSo you advocate for:
>Do illegal stuff!<What kind of illegal stuff?>I can't tell you anymore than it is illegal!Ok… How are you going to get enough people to participate in these activities if you can't even say in the vaguest sense what they might be?
I was the one who came up with the Illegalism flag. Shay actually did the first version I edited which became the official one >>2444223>Oh no need to thank me. After all…tis the season for givingI mean yeah sure. The smartest thing would be of course to put nothing in the public before you do it. Then when we see the news,
>Big anti-capitalist terror attack! Suspects left behind anti-capitalist manifesto!>Suspects still on the loose 3 months later!>Never caught!We'll all be inspired I guess to try and copycat, but of course, we'd have little to know knowledge of how you did it an got away with it, because the investigators were never able to bring all the facts to light.
>>2444238>This will grow the movement exponentiallyWhy do you believe that?
> and once you have enough cadres to start building dual powerWhy do you believe your power to get recruits will grow faster than their will to crackdown on you? You can get deported for "supporting Hamas." They will easily round up anyone in anyway associated with any high profile crime you commit. They don't even need to "railroad" you. They can just easily off you, and no one will do anything about it.
>>2444242It's like, the whole fantasy is predicated on the belief:
>The government has to follow the law!They got millions of shooters. Everywhere. They know everything. They don't have to follow the rules even less than you do.
>>2444235You could try learning something from insurgents in the rest of the world instead of acting like America is in any way a unique environment.
If Appalachia was turned into Afghanistan with hillbilly insurgents hiding in caves and stashing IED's under every rock the surveillance state would struggle to do shit.
I cannot stress enough that the reason there is no Communism in America isn't due to some geopolitical forces or the bourgeois being too militarily powerful, Americans simply don't want a revolution. If one did start, it would be impossible to contain, and would quickly spiral against the feds, because their grasp on power is almost entirely based on the consent of the governed and bureaucratic exploitation.
I'm slightly starting to buy into treatler theory, Americans are too accustomed to their bread & circuses to entertain the idea of revolution. Quality of life continues to go down, but at least they have Netflix.
>>2444259Yes you only say that after you get called out on your bullshit so you retreat to a better defensible argument. But every time people in here talk about building up dual power you throw a fit because they're not doing shooty pew pew stuff. Hell I was talking about it just the other week and you got mad because our first goal wasn't assassinating the sheriff and sending armed cadres to occupy the police station. You love to back up to these more reasonable positions that actual successful revolutionary groups hold and pretend that you believe in them when called on your bullshit, only to pivot back into "you have to shoot people NOW or you're a nazi" when you think nobody's looking. It's a pattern you use time and time again and frankly I think it's time someone called you on your Mott and Bailey ass bullshit.
Build up your revolutionary cadre or dont, I dont care what you do honestly. Just stop trying to pretend you're doing more than anyone else here and constantly arguing in bad faith to prove you're the most Marxist person around. It's just annoying
>>2444299Their property is a house they use as an AirBnB and a cybertruck they modified to roll coal just to own the libs. What then?
Fundamentally Communism cannot be achieved without modifying the American way of life. You can't promise these people treats, at least not truthfully, when their treats are at the expense of the 3rd world.
>>2444301In systems where the government collapses do you think the banks and other major industries collapse too? These industries just start operating as gangs and will send goons to enforce their own law. Police will of course side with the banks because the banks can pay them when they just lost their only source of income in the government.
There will never be a libertarian fantasy where people are truly "ungoverned" you'll always have someone oppressing you.
>>2444309>Their property is a house they use as an AirBnB and a cybertruck they modified to roll coal just to own the libs. What then?who the fuck is "they"? an airbnb owner is literally a landlord and not a member of the proletariat.
>roll coal to own the libsretard we were talking about "the libs", not MAGA
wrecker
>>24443161. the american dream is about becoming a "yeoman" and seceding from the economy
2. the american dream has been dead for decades
you are continuing to be a wrecker by trying to drag this conversation off topic from practical considerations
>>2444319>>2444313This is just lolbert goldbug shit. "Da banks" aren't any more all powerful than the government is
>b-but they'll hire guns!With what money? The money that only has value to a government that no longer has the power to enforce its own laws? Company script? Maybe they could get some mercs on their side with the promise of loot and spoils, but by the time the actual government has been toppled the people and communities are armed and ready to defend themselves and their neighbors against whatever skinheads some wannabe banker warlord sends.
>>2444315Private property owners are lower petty-bourgeoisie. If you earn money while you sleep based on the appreciation of your house then you are a landlord. All landowners are landlords.
That being said the lower petty-bourgeoisie are hardly the biggest problem we face.
>>2444249>>2444259>>2444255>>2444271Y'know the seeming abandonment of dual-power on the Left is fascinating to me. I was watching some news documentary on Neo-Fascists in Italy, and one of the places they checked out was a free Health Clinic, with one of the doctors (himself an ideologically committed Fascist) saying "Well we're doing what the old Communist party
used to do." Hostels for the homeless? They were doing that, too. You walk into this place and you see names scribbled all over the wall: ᴉuᴉlossnW, Gentile, Mosley, I think even Hitler. The lib doing the interview could basically only say "B-but you guys are Fascists!" To which the Fascists in question would nod their heads and the lib would stand guffawed.
In France, the National Rally had this propaganda campaign where they'd find former Communists from industrially abandoned areas, then they'd invite them to the party, indoctrinate them, and have these guys up on a stage all "Well the Socialists abandoned us! The National Rally are the ones who
really care about the French people!"
Now why is this? If I can take a shot in the dark, I'd say that Socialism's ideological reproduction has moved away from on the ground working class struggle and into the universities. Academia. In that regard, various Fascist movements can come across as "authentically working class" not because of their policy, but because of a more tangible connection to their locales. There's something bizarrely insular about universities, they feel like little self-contained towns that invite the globe to come visit them; which is good for combatting racism on the one hand (shit, two of the people I remember most from Uni was a Ugandan guy who wanted to do some "altruistic businessman" shtick and a Latino guy, son of immigrants, who talked a lot about his struggles being a Gay man in a culture that prised machismo) but on the other you tend to be blind to the stuff happening around you. Telling a guy who's constantly running on low-grade anxiety because he can never seem to make enough to pay rent, afford groceries, and tuck some savings away that he has "male privilege" or emphasizing the struggles handicapped obese migrants face just seems totally alien to him. He wants more money, plain and simple.
The Petite-Bourgeoisie, for as much as their interests run counter to the working class in most cases, are at least distant from this insular college-educated community. They're a little closer to people's day to day. Like, personally I can see plenty of homeless guys squatting outside a local small business, yet they're conspicuously absent from local universities; despite it seeming like the perfect place (to me) for them to exist in. So college students hear news of refugees desperate for shelter and from their safe, insular little communities, they come out to protest and demand more refugees get let in. The petite-bourgeoisie and various workers see homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk and just this general decay of their societies and they think: "What the fuck are they talking about? We can't even take care of the people HERE! Why should we give even more when we're barely making enough to keep our heads above water?!"
Seriously, in my neighborhood there's just tiny little villages of people living in these half-broken RVs and tents. I've passed literal shanty houses assembled from garbage. It's
bad. This is far and away different from the conditions that gave rise to Socialism beforehand, and it's little surprise that "treatler" discourse became a popular (if false) explanation for it. Back in the day Socialism was found literally on the ground of labor struggles. There's this documentary where this old CPUSA member talks about seeing pinkertons just roll up on striking workers and shoot them, even as they had babies in their arms. They'd try to organize a steel mill and some workers would say "Hey, we really like you and you've done so much for us, but can you quiet down a bit about Communism 'cause the feds are looking for any reason to paint us as foreign rabble-rousers."
What were the college students doing back then? I believe Harvard was offering students extra credit to literally fist fight union workers. The rallying cry was "DEFEND YOUR CLASS!" Now a kind of pseudo-"socialism" has found a comfortable home in Academia whereas, with the rise of neoliberalism and the service economy, the class war isn't one unified front but a million decentralized battles all being waged with little in the way of a real Socialist presence. The workers look at "The Left" and see people that seem to be talking about issues completely irrelevant to them and then look at "The Right" and for however nationalist or xenophobic or immoral it is, it stays on message talking about how the immigrants are taking jobs and if we just do enough protectionism we'll return to this golden age where you could afford homes.
>>2444335>bro the banks will just establish a new government if you destroy the old oneWITH
WHAT
AUTHORITY????
>>2444320The point I'm trying to make is there is no mythical proletarian in America who isn't exploiting others or looking to exploit others. America is a society built on exploitation from the top down. You cannot promise these people they will retain their way of life when their way of life is evil. Explaining to an American that to have universal healthcare doesn't just require reorganizing the tax brackets but also requires changing the entire healthcare industry to no longer be for-profit, and having a huge shift on how we approach public health to actually incentivize people to lose weight(because obesity is by far the most common health issue in America and creates lifelong complications that drain healthcare resources) is basically a non-starter for most Americans that see being told to lose weight as a personal attack.
Shit like this applies to EVERY industry in America. Every American thinks teachers should be paid more and children should have free lunches, but when you tell them their property taxes will go up to pay for it, suddenly they start to reconsider. And this isn't just a thing that applies to rich people but almost all Americans in one way or another. Americans are individualist and self-interested to a self-destructive degree, and deprogramming this from the American psyche is like the #1 priority for the Left before you can even begin to build Communism.
>>2444347And now we're back where we started with the "Americans are fundamentally treatlerites who are ontologically opposed to communism". Arguing with you is akin to playing chess with a pigeon, except the pigeon at least wont constantly squawk at you to assassinate some random politicians for the sake of the third world. Just put your goddamn name back on and give us the courtesy of being able to ignore your ass
>>2444344The fact that he took his name off when he realized people were ignoring him and he STILL continues the same schtick pretty much solidifies that Felix only cares about wasting our time while he can smugly declare victory after everyone else gets tired of his bullshit. He might as well be a federal agent
>>2444349America already has a Reich and the vast majority of Americans support it. The American Reich kills millions a year but because it's overseas "people" like CPUSAnon simply ignore it. All Capital has to do is replace their chosen representatives with another set and the system will carry on, because people do not oppose the system in any meaningful sense, just the individuals running it.
>>2444342They control all the means of production and land. Even the biggest businesses are indebted to finance capital. If the government became too weak to protect them, it would simply be replaced.
>>2444343Given that the stock market is almost entirely disconnected from reality and most of finance capital's assets are just numbers inside a computer now, yes, banks cannot just be looted. Attacking Wall Street would do nothing in and of itself, you need to have enough power to abolish stock trading as an institution.
>>2444352<Tell an American we should build public housingYeah, the homeless deserve a place to live!
<Show an American that public housing means no grass lawn, no backyard, no large driveway, your garage can only fit one carEhhh well at least I'm never gonna live there, sucks to be poor lolz
<Tell an American you're building public housing in their neighborhoodMY PROPERTY VALUES
<Explain to an American that the American housing model is unsustainable and everyone in cities needs to live in smaller homes to make room for public housing so we can house the poor and homelessWTF THIS IS TYRANNY
NIMBY's are the death of every progressive policy proposal. And no, this isn't just the bourgeois or the petit-bourgeois. If you live in a suburb or large city it's like 90% of your neighbors.
>>2444365Yes, it does. You are seriously underestimating how many people American foreign policy kills. Sanctions alone kill over half a million a year. Direct warfare and terror carried out by proxies kills at least that many more. Since the GWOT started, America has killed at least five million in the Middle East alone. I should point out that the CPUSA provided material support to all of this.
>>2444372Yes you'd have to abolish the stock markets after you overthrew the government, not first. You can only destroy imperialism when you destroy the system which requires it. If you just shot up the NYSE or bombed their data centers all you would accomplish is a temporary disruption, at best. The banks would lose a little of their imaginary money and rebuild the system. All it is now is computers, which are easily replaced.
>>2444371I wish it weren't true but the way Americans are approaching Ozempic itself is really telling.
The rest of the world sees Ozempic as a treatment for diabetes when paired with diet and exercise. Americans see it as something akin to cosmetic surgery. "Oh I'm gonna ask my doctor to get on Ozempic so I can start dating again" type shit. Literally half the people at my job are on Ozempic and treat it like a miracle drug that cures fatness therefore they no longer have to take care of their body. This is not a mentally healthy society.
>>2444377>Literally half the people at my job are on Ozempic and treat it like a miracle drug that cures fatness therefore they no longer have to take care of their bodyWell all these people need to do to "take care of their body" is stop stuffing so much food down their gullet. A few years ago they were inducing that normL safevsurd through 'stomache band' surgeries, now they do it with a drug, which is probably safer.
Sure the simple answer is "stop putting so much food in your mouth you fucking fat fuck." But for them this is impossible without these interventions.
>>2444373Yknow the surprising thing to me is that the Trump Admin has a bunch of libs taking to the streets in larger numbers than before to protest shit that’s, let’s be honest, an almost cartoonish degree of authoritarianism. Like, even by lib standards the stuff they’re doing with ICE and the attacks they’re leveling against universities and major cities is tyranny 101. And in spite of stuff like the NoKings protest being one of the largest in recent American history (tame and non-violent however) they’re still charging full speed ahead.
But when it comes to stuff like public housing the argument is always “well the NIMBYs will be mad at us.” Theres this imagination that you’re sitting in a chair across from them and getting scolded, and that’s just too emotionally upsetting to make a housing push feasible.
Again, at the cost of making myself look like an ogre again: why can’t we just tell these people to fuck off? Seriously, if you were somehow the governor of a state like California, why not take a page from Trump and just charge ahead? Whip people up into a fervor. If the courts try to stop you just tell them to fuck off. If NIMBYs protest, just announce you’ll be building low income housing right in the middle of Beverly Hills. Be an asshole to the 45 year old wine mom throwing herself at a bulldozer to stop construction; throw her in jail and make fun of her.
>”But the bourgeoisie would try to stop us!”Okay, make them try. Have them attempt to arrest you for building affordable housing. The contrast between Trump raping kids and getting away with it versus you building affordable housing and having the wrath of the judiciary coming down on you would be radicalizing.
For fuck’s sake I’ve had radicals sneer at Eugene Debs as a reformist, but he protested WW1, dared the state to do anything about it, then got a prison sentence. MLK similarly was thrown in jail.
People like imagining themselves living out in the woods taking pot shots at police cruisers, but the idea of being a nice guy in a suit that gets sent to jail for a few years is terrifying for them.
>>2444381I got banned last week for jokingly replying to that video with "I think I'm a misogynist now" because some of our jannies are no fun allowed babies so this time I'll just say I am nooticing those sweater puppies and if she had a normal haircut I would subscribe to this hysterical lady's onlyfans when Trump inevitably cuts off her employer's NGO grant.
>>2444394I get it, I'm fat, I'm possibly going on Ozempic, etc. But that approach of "we can fix any of your psychological problems with a miracle drug" is not healthy on a societal level, even if it is the best course of action on an individual level imo. It IS better for people to go on Ozempic than to just continue rotting in their obesity.
>>2444399>Again, at the cost of making myself look like an ogre again: why can’t we just tell these people to fuck off?Unironically it's because the NIMBYs control all local government in America. Mayoral and city council elections get like, 10% turnout at best, and NIMBY's are the primary people campaigning for shit.
In a hypothetical where we have achieved a dictatorship of the proletariat then yes, NIMBY's are irrelevant. But under America's electoral system where politics is just a vassal system with extra steps, NIMBY's can sink your career for threatening their nest egg. These people are also the "small business owners" and "job creators" in suburban towns, and they're usually the most well connected, older, and have an established history in the community.
>>2444451Honestly, this just makes the situation worse for the perps.
She could've gotten some of the pressure off by naming a few fall guys so the feds could say they solved the case.
But to just flatly deny EVERYTHING? She's an idiot.
Come post as I build
https://houdiniboard.ct.ws/index.php?i=2I ended up going with a forum instead of an imageboard, mostly because an imageboard has a lot more system requirements, less lightweight, and ultimately, I'm already posting on an imageboard, so I don't really need to make a new one. But a forum, an old-school forum, feels like a good middle ground with the way I've set it up, so come make an account.
>>2444456She said Prince Andrew never met underrage girls in her & Epstein's house when we have literal photographs of it
She's denying everything including things that have been proven with evidence
>>2444462Kind of insane how desperate she is to get that pardon.
>"NO CRIMES! NOTHING HAPPENED! THERE WERE NO GIRLS! EPSTEIN NEVER EXISTED! I KNOW NOTHING!!!"Even the rightoids aren't gonna accept that.
>>2444442imageboards and anonymity attract reactionaries. Leftypol even moreso because reactionaries love to debate, trigger, and own lefties by saying their
jokes opinions.
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>>2444489)
yep, pol's said to be slick, but that shi ain't slick.
>If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. […] Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.
>Protection is at best an endless screw, and you never know when you have done with it. By protecting one industry, you directly or indirectly hurt all others, and have therefore to protect them too. By so doing you again damage the industry that you first protected, and have to compensate it; but this compensation reacts, as before, on all other trades, and entitles them to redress, and so on ad infinitum. American history, in this respect, offers us a striking example of the best way to kill an important industry by protectionism. In 1856, the total imports and exports by sea of the United State amounted to $640 million. Of this amount, 75 per cent were carried in American, and only 25 per cent in foreign vessels. British ocean steamers were already then encroaching upon American sailing vessels; yet, in 1860, of a total seagoing trade of $760 million, American vessels still carried 67 per cent.
>The Civil War came on, and protection to American shipbuilding; and the latter plan was so successful that it has nearly completely driven the American flag from the high seas. In 1887, the total seagoing trade of the United States amounted to $1.4 billion, but of this total only 14 per cent were carried in American, and 86 per cent in foreign bottoms. The goods carried by American ships amounted, in 1856, to $480 million; in 1860 to $500 million. In 1887, they had sunk to $190 million. Prior to the civil war, the American flag was the most dangerous rival of the British flag, and bade fair to outstrip it on the ocean; after the civil war it was nowhere. Protection to shipbuilding has killed both shipping and shipbuilding.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/
>[…] protective tariffs are nothing but preparations for the ultimate general industrial war, which shall decide who has supremacy on the world-market. Thus every factor, which works against a repetition of the old crises, carries within itself the germ of a far more powerful future crisis. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch30.htm >>2444538I wonder if this is how Britbongs felt at the start of the 20th century.
Trapped in a dying empire that refuses to die.
>>2444549nah someone asked me a question:
>>2444442I answered it and provided an example
>>2444466then you showed up to be emotional
>>2444470 >>2444337>Now why is this? If I can take a shot in the dark, I'd say that Socialism's ideological reproduction has moved away from on the ground working class struggle and into the universities. Academia.From my own experiences organizing the vast majority of socialists I've met are…
1. College kids
2 . White collar workers working in fields like tech, social work, academia, or they work for NGOs
3. Refuse to work a full time job, or to work at all.
After I stopped organizing I got a dose of reality and realized just how wildly disconnected American socialists are from the working class. A disconnect I worry will get worse if the treatler discourse spreads offline.
>>2444592There were a lot of jingoistic tradies. Check this out.
>>2444597Yeah. It's also worth keeping in mind that a lot of New Left did not see themselves as reflecting the majority opinion. They were less deluded about this. I've seen some talk like that, like they felt they were surrounded on all sides. People would call Angela Davis a lib because she supported BLM or whatever but millions of black and white people going out and marching against the police like that was unthinkable then.
>>2444152Killdozer took months to build his machine. He even said sometimes people got into his shop and the thing was there in plain sight while he was working on it, yet they seemed not to notice.
The black guy that snipered cops - his picture has him blurred while the background is in focus, btw - got killed by a bomb delivered by a robot during the standoff or something like that.
Luigi is a legend.
>>2444169She is the biggest political cuckold of the Trump era so far. Thicc thighs, tho. I remember Jimmy Dore saying he and his wife had kept the mug she drank from and still had her lipstick on it. It was when she was a democratic representative from Hawai'i.
>>2444578Y'know something that stood out to me was how many DSA events, for example, were taking place on the weekends. Which sounds innocuous, right? Well the thing is if you're a grocery store worker, the weekends are the busiest time of the week. Like Trader Joe's (at least out here) pays $10/hr extra for working Sundays. That almost puts me at a $40/hr wage, I just don't want to give that up.
Like just a brief glance at the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that most of our employment is stuff that, ironically enough, my job has me doing as part of regular duties (stockers/order fillers, cashier, etc). So I imagine a lot of those types of workers have some real trouble getting weekends off; don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "stop doing events on weekends", just that by the nature of modern scheduling there's a lot of people who just wont be able to attend anything on a Saturday or Sunday.
>>2444586>>2444592>>2444597So there were a few things that I think lead to this historical disconnect.
First: you've got Taft-Hartley essentially expunging the Socialist element from labor unions. The feds meanwhile were
extremely interested in controlling Union leadership so you'd get shit like, I think it was one of the presidents of the AFL-CIO basically saying "Supporting the war economy is good because it means we get more jobs/higher wages." A real "rising tide lifts all boats" kind of shit.
Secondly: the social and political disconnect of the youth from the workers at the time. There was a video I watched ages ago about the rise of neoliberalism, and there was a lot of frustration from both management as well as "average" workers because you'd get these young Boomers at the time doing some bizarre shit like demanding "The Right to Art" as part of Union contracts, or using the psychedelic art of the hippie movement in their protests. Shit, I think in one case they'd invite Credence Clearwater Revival to do an impromptu concert at some labor strike. This alienated them, to a degree, from older workers as well as let management portray themselves as "serious" compared to the free-love weirdness of the hippie types; I think even Union leadership was getting frustrated, saying "We don't know what these young people want, but they keep threatening to vote us out of our positions if we don't do everything they say.
If I can betray a bit of personal conservatism here, I totally get it. Personally the "flower power" shit always seemed cringe to me. Now I can't imagine being some older dude in the 70s, maybe a Korean war vet, the closest form of affection you got from your father was him shaking your hand after you came back home alive, and you're seeing a bunch of young people putting flowers in their hair and talking about "free love" and protesting for "the right to art". It's a total cultural disconnect. It's like asking a priest to live alongside some kinky European polycule; the discomfort and alienation is off the charts.
Remember, it was the mid-20th century in which "youth culture" kind of became a distinct thing. This was all bizarre and incomprehensible to older generations. Shit, they weren't even that far removed from WWI and certain generals thinking PTSD was just a case of some individual soldiers being pussies.
Shared culture is a quicker way to transmit ideas. Centuries ago you used to have Jesuits dressing up in traditional Chinese robes and meticulously learning stuff like Tea Ceremonies and a bit of Confucius to try and spread Christianity. Centuries before that you'd have shit like the Church telling the Anglo Saxons that Abraham was basically a descendent of Odin. When cultures diverge, it becomes harder to propagate ideas, and in the case of the 20th century, I think
culture war was ultimately the result of this divergence.
>>2444622AD catastrophically became a lib over the years. in the 90s, alongside with many other American ideologues like Chomsky, she co-signed a document welcoming the "freedom" of the USSR.
Radlibs be radlibs.
>>2444630He wanted to build a sewer line from his property and the city wouldn't let him or something super stupid like that
I approve of his methods though
>>2444619It is so like you to side with the old white man who had just gotten done murdering millions of Communists in an imperialist war over the left wing youth trying to end another imperialist war (that your party supported.)
It really betrays your true political leanings, even more than the constant posting of fascist propaganda.
>>2444624I mean it sort of makes sense (or at least it "made sense" to them) why RYM/Weatherman and those people went crazy to the maxx on killing the crakkker babbies although I think they were delusional. But I think being into the New Left politically would've probably been experienced like being a member of a fringe minority most of the population saw as dangerous freaks. Also there was violence directed against these people.
When (white) boomer normies want to feel comfy and nostalgic about the 1960s, they watch Forrest Gump. The Black Panthers and a white guy representing the New Left do make an appearance but it's only in one scene and is basically occuring in the background and also they're kind of weird/scary (and the white guy involved is a bad guy but the blacks are more sympathetic and alluring in some kind of way and remember this is a Spielberg movie). Like, they're aware of it and it's part of the atmosphere, but it's not central to the vibe. It's some added flavor.
I do think too there was a youth cultural revolution which was pretty generalized. I asked my aunt from Amarillo some general questions about the vibe of being a teenager there, and that is about as far from the coastal cities as you can get, and she was like "yeah we dropped acid like it was candy" and dressed in a sort of hippie-like way and listened to the Rolling Stones and so on. But as far as the war was concerned, she said it was "scary" because people were getting drafted. I asked her if there were any anti-war protests there and she said there was one, she thought, but didn't know anything else about it.
>>2444169>>2444611The DNI doesn't really matter and a lot of this is a show I think. She was controlled opposition before the election and now they gave her this fancy-sounding title to the based intelligence boss to the most naive alt people online, but it's the director of the CIA who actually matters. (And nobody is paying attention to him, and they prefer it that way.)
>>2444586Read Howard zinn people's history of the United States the poorer and less someone went to school the more they opposed the Vietnam War
The hard hat riot was a top down decision of union leadership, and for all we know multiple workers stayed home for everyone one that showed up
>>2444654>>2444663For the most part we were running Gus Hall for President. In the case of LBJ however the USSR was concerned about the fact the Republicans had nominated Barry "Fire a nuke at the Kremlin Bathroom" Goldwater and asked us to do them a solid, and like internationalists we did.
So clearly the USSR was in favor of the U.S. invasion of Vietnam.
>>2444665I guess by that logic Mao supported the war
( it was his 30% bad era)
>>2444666>>2444669>>2444665For the record, LBJ campaigned on winding down involvement in the war in order to focus on funding social programs. Barry Goldwater campaigned on cutting social programs in order to
expand the war. Including using Nukes on Vietnam.
He literally said, on camera, that the U.S. should use low-yield nuclear weapons to fight the vietcong.
Felix, naturally, believes the correct course of action is to tell the USSR to go fuck itself because "le moral taint of voting for the democrat". If the guy campaigning on "nuke the North Vietnamese" wins, so be it, at least you can say you didn't vote Dem.
✝️⚠️ALERT⚠️When the 7 trumpet blows, it's only over for some of you guys, you will not be able to pray, repent, or hide. Once they blow. He will come, Jesus will ask everyone if they spread the gospel. He will know if your lying or not. spread the gospel before it's too late. And if you say you'll do it later, or do it sometimes. That's just the devil trying to pull you away from Jesus and taking over your mind. The devil will do ANYTHING, to pull you away from our lord. from all the Jesus tiktoks, we are trying to warn you guys. No I'm not forcing Christianity on you guys, All we wanted you guys to do is spread the gospel before it's too late, and when you give him the answer he will know if you did or not. God wants us to spread his words and get closer to you. God bless everyone have a good day.
>>2444677To set the historical record straight, among the things Barry Goldwater complained about, was that the media ran with the fact he was officially endorsed by the Klan (he voted against the Civil Rights Act because "muh freedom of association") but didn't hammer the fact that LBJ was "endorsed by the communists".
Goldwater's foreign policy was one of basically total war and opposition to Communism. He gave a famous speech at the RNC where he declared "Extremism in the name of Liberty is no vice", Hunter Thompson was there and described the attitude as akin to a Nazi rally, people stamping their feet and howling for blood. Goldwater himself repeatedly endorsed the use of Nuclear Weapons in the name of "countering Communists." He genuinely believed Nuclear Weapons existed to be used, on the Vietnamese and later the Soviets. Goldwater literally complained that people who didn't want the cold war to go hot had "a craven fear of death".
Like the dude wanted total war with the Soviets, he thought anything less was pussy shit. It was so well known that an unofficial motto of the Johnson campaign was "In your guts, you know he's nuts!" (Goldwater's was "In your Heart, you know he's right!")
>>2444686The USSR pretty much explicitly did. I think it was with LBJ that the Soviet Ambassador said something along the lines of "Mister President, we're your biggest supporter!"
>>2444690So your response is if the USSR asks you to do something, you say "Nuh-Uh, I don't wanna!" Because it gives you such an upset goddamn tummy to just vote for the other guy. And if North Vietnam tells you to, also, you just say you don't care if your country elects the "nuke north vietnam" guy because it just makes you feel so dirty voting Dem.
>>2444687>✝️⚠️ALERT⚠️When the 7 trumpet blows, it's only over for some of you guys, you will not be able to pray, repent, or hide. Once they blow. He will come, Jesus will ask everyone if they spread the gospel. He will know if your lying or not. spread the gospel before it's too late. And if you say you'll do it later, or do it sometimes. That's just the devil trying to pull you away from Jesus and taking over your mind. The devil will do ANYTHING, to pull you away from our lord. from all the Jesus tiktoks, we are trying to warn you guys. No I'm not forcing Christianity on you guys, All we wanted you guys to do is spread the gospel before it's too late, and when you give him the answer he will know if you did or not. God wants us to spread his words and get closer to you. God bless everyone have a good day.And God will stand with Jesus, Trump and Reagan, looking through your voting records to see if you made sure to vote a straight GOP ticket. And the people were divided in two, one went to Heaven to sing God's praises at a giant Trump rally for all eternity while the others were casted into the fiery lake of fire, to be burned forever. Do you think that you will be joining that Trump rally? Did you ever lie, go to a rave, masturbate to your waifu, join a union, demand a raise, repost a picture without permission, buy an electric car or vote for a socialist meme candidate? Then you are going straight to Hell for disobeying God's almighty word and the ONLY way to Heaven is to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and savior.
>>2444709The limits to this logic can be shown by the vote blue no matter who crowd endorsing genocide Joe, in 2024.
Really the problem is power socialist in America need to provide an alternative so that people aren't having to choose between calculated murderers and psychotic ones
>>2444717It was a bright new day in Dallas, the first day of the new Heaven and Earth. The army of Saints, wearing white robes and pointy hoods, led by Randy Weaver, Bo Gritz, Timothy McVeigh and Ashli Babbit paraded down the streets of Dallas, celebrating the victory in Meggido over the vaccinated sheeple, led by Barack Obama, AKA the Antichrist. All the sheeple dropped dead from the vaccine-induced blood clots before the first shot was fired and now burned in the Lake of Fire for rejecting God's literal unchanging word for evolutionism and socialism. The Saints were greeted by Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan and JFK. Jim and Ron Watkins, JFK Jr., Nick Fuentes, RFK Jr., Ye and Rush Limbaugh were also present at the ceremony. It is a place free from queers, evolutionists, gangbangers, idolators, illegals, anime, video games, rap, edgelords and inter-racial marriage, ruled by Jesus himself from Trump Tower Jerusalem.
How ever humbly or not you live does change the fact That you said you would rebel if these anonymous payed for your rent, everyone needs to Rebel with whatever is in there hands according to you, forgetting all questions of strategy, tactics, timing, preparedness, and if they do not they are complicit in the decisions of a group of people of another class. But you, you will act only if people on an obscure alt chan pay your rent for you, other people should die but you shouldn't even have to risk losing your fake granite countertop. And since people on this site didn't pay your rent instead of acting against the death machine, you post repetive screeds on this sight telling other people to do it, it is said that a good respectable leader doesn't ask that of others that he won't do himself, Fortunately you aren't a bad leader no one sees you as a leader, more of a joke
(Made some spelling mistakes the 1st I posted need to stop phone posting)
>>2444746Houdini ebegs to run a magazine online which unless someone is rich or has advertisers is the only way to this
But in one these archivesdthreads when some asks Mr Felix why doesn't he rebel he say he will if /leftypol/ pays his rent which is clownishh
>>2444750>>2444748What Felix's contribution been so far?
At least Marx could Write and did stuff
>>2444750The lack of money is legitimately one of the biggest problems facing the left right now and I have no idea how to get around it. The best I can come up is using your cadre to rob drug dealers and pimps but that probably still isn't enough money.
We can't get anywhere unless we have the money to pay for professional revolutionaries, expecting people to form a vanguard while also working two jobs is not realistic.
>>2444404>>2444470>>2444513>>2444489Why're you complaining?
People like you and frog posters and similar, you people love being oppressed through bans.
Since that's your proof you did a le triggering.
Plus what are you gonna use to vaguely gesture to justify why you're massively crashing out over a annoying reactionary woman online?
Or when a woman took the gamble of locking herself into porn and it paid off?
>>2444763The old Left literally had to rob banks to fund their activities.
The Left should really get into crypto it's basically the modern equivalent and there's so much money to be made from selling illicit services. I don't mean selling drugs even, shit like credit card thieves are the modern version of bank robbers and the darkweb is full of those.
>>2444784You're missing a step. Robbing banks is also not how you generate mass public support. You use the money from those acts to fund your "legal" activities like journalism, books, blogs, twitch streamers/youtubers(yes this is actually relevant), organizing rallies, spreading subversive propaganda, etc.
The fact of the matter is political organizing costs money, and most if not all leftists are poor, and we can't rely on a patreon-like charity or subscription system to fund activities because that leaves you at the mercy of the banking system. It's a no brainer that any serious organizing requires collecting resources that are inaccessible to the feds. Currently, that's only in crypto.
>>2444777Bro, just let it go.
>Plus what are you gonna use to vaguely gesture to justify why you're massively crashing out over a annoying reactionary woman online?
>Or when a woman took the gamble of locking herself into porn and it paid off?What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>2444753Funnily enough if you actually look at criminal investigations where people were busted based on online activity it becomes pretty clear that the government isn't constantly watching everybody all the time. Like, typically the cops need to get a warrant to subpoena IP addresses and account info, which alone tells you that this isn't information that they just have lying around. Now I'm not about to sit here and say we should put our faith in the checks and balances of liberal institutions, trust courts to be fair when handing out warrants, trust cops to actually go through the proper channels, etc. However the mere fact that they have to go digging for this data amidst an endless deluge of information should he enough for you to be able to hide if you simply don't attract attention. Saying that they already have this info anyway so there's no point to opsec is really absurd. Yes, the info is out there, and the authorities can get it if they want, but doing so takes time and effort, involves bureaucratic hoops to jump through, puts strain on police and judicial resources, etc. They aren't going to go through all that unless they think they'll find something worthwhile. In other words, good opsec (i.e. not giving the feds any reason to expend resources on you) can be the difference between flying under the radar and having all that accumulated data laid out on some glowie's desk. Felix is not only giving the feds ample reason to investigate him, he's literally making their job easier by removing barriers to information gathering.
>>2444819>Stealing credit cards is too indiscriminate and unreliable. You need a way to earn money that doesn't hurt the average worker.See what I mean about Leftists being too clean? If you're truly dedicated to your cause, inconveniencing the average worker is just a cost of doing business. I mean, people had the same logic regarding protestors shutting down highways. "Oh think of the poor workers that will lose their jobs when they can't get to work on time!" and the response is always blaming the protestors and not the system for some reason.
Like, from the eyes of an Indian call center scammer, he's repossessing stolen wealth from boomer retirees that was made off the exploitation of the third world. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with all methods that involve exploiting the proles but credit card fraud is probably one that doesn't inconvenience individuals as much as it inconveniences banks. The individual just gets a bad number on their credit report, aka a fake social credit system the banks made up to punish people for using their services in a way that isn't as profitable for them. It's all total bullshit.
The bank meanwhile has to struggle with recovering the money they lost or relying on the government that insures that money, thereby passing the cost to the taxpayers.
And if none of that convinces you well, crypto scams are almost universally directed towards the kinda people with more money than sense, so there's always that option. Or start a fake charity that appeals to morally reprehensible people(Zionists, Evangelicals, etc) and just drain their money through donations before closing down and funneling it to your Leftist operation. If ethics matter to you I guess.
>>2444821At this point I would probably vote for MTG over like 90% of Dems in Congress what the FUCK.
(Yes I know she's just posturing and will still vote with Israel whenever she's told to, but it's funny)
>>2444837Hinkle, Felix connection?
Leftwing horse theory
>>2444845This is already confirmed afaik. The Zionists, as usual, are pioneers in this regard but the CIA and NSA are never far behind.
>>2444841My former employers know Hinkle fairly well and have gone on several trips with him. For what it's worth they hate him and think he's a grifter.
>3rd image, bottom rightvid related
>>2444375that's because most of twitter/bsky users (now and before) are radlibs.
Also (unrelated) the comic has the same (at best) "pseudo satire" or "Smart-Alec" tone (even when most of the time it's inaccurate) as with twitter in 2019 and with tumblr before.
also the first version of the comic was better, even it wasn't one to one accurate, the maxwell part here was a good bit at least.
>>2444642>>2444636>>2444515>>2444169Man why the fuck do these rightist bitches look so succulent???
Why can't leftist women look this juicy?
>>2444827Engels was wrong.
Tradwives of the World Unite!
>>2444851>This is already confirmed afaik. The Zionists, as usual, are pioneers in this regard but the CIA and NSA are never far behind. >>2444845>I really worry that ai will make it easier to sort through all the information and really make the panoptoicon workAI can only work using average from the datasets stored in their databases. try for example asking to any image generating capable AI to draw watches at 6:15PM (with clock hands) or to draw someone writing with a left-hand. they can't. and can't because most watches on internet are at 2:55PM or 10:10AM for aesthetic purposes and marketing purposes showing the clock hands and the most pictures are right-handed people. It's impossible for them to process individual data (non-escalable), computationally impossible (orders of magnitude of difficulty increased exponentially) because of inexistant infrastructure capable of doing these things.
just so you know, how to deal with AI.
>>2445000President? What president? There's a president? Oh…
him? Uh… I guess I saw him on TV once…
What's going on, crakkkas?
All good in the 'burbs?
[beat]
Oh…
>>2445059Free Luigi, of course
>>2444600these guys beat up draft dodgers for being unpatriotic leftoids, grew old and fat, and then voted for a billionaire draft dodger who secretly hates them and grifts them with merch, kek
(pic related and written in 1995!)
>>2445134Cum
All I will say to that rn
>>2445278>>2445280the last part isn't a flex.
bluesky? instagram? so they can't talk about the ongoing genocide? and they won't. based, I guess.
>>2445277>"leaving x.com">Because Elon MuskOh boy, i can't wait for the exact same radlib shit at their bsky account.
>>2445278it would be "kinda based" if they left pre-musk.
>>2445331>>2445332Isn't that the main airbase used to stage attacks on Iran?
Two possibilities
>Israel is about to go full Samson Option and WW3 will commence>Trump is about to announce a "New Iranian Nuclear Deal" to further dunk on Obama and give himself a domestic win. Israelis will be pissed. >>2445356>"based cringe woke chud culture slop" aka i hate millennial slang>"slop">then uses gen z slangif bitching about millennial/zoomer slang then reply to
>>2445278.
Not an argument
>>2445354The West Bank is shortly to go aswell, as Israel has dramatically altered the landscape by kicking the UNRWA, reshaping the occupation to one which doesn't even pretend to be a "slow" ethnic cleansing anymore and whipping up all sorts of collaborators while practically eliminating militant resistance. There is also the matter of economics, because Israel has proven able to survive without the West Bank labor, but the other way around is not so clear.
And finally, imagine what sort of deals the collaborators will be cutting after Gaza, if they were already throwing chomping at the bit to police the West Bank in the name if Israel *during* the second Nakba. The PA will probably be organizing the Palestinians own self deportation and offering incentives along the Jordanian state to move them there while Israel beings setting up the siege and whips up the settler into a further frenzy.
<The Annexation of the West Bank Is Complete>With eyes on Gaza, Israel has quietly annexed the West Bank [Published in The Baffler]https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-annexation-of-the-west-bank-is-complete-nathaniel >>2445108>>2445092Yknow there’s that old phrase “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery” but many people forget that it originally ended with “that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”
I think one downside of the Bolshevik Revolution is how dependent international socialism became on the distinctly Russian form. Like if we look at liberalism I don’t think it all took on the distinctly French form in its birth. Instead of chasing revolution in the western world, people increasingly began to imitate the forms of foreign revolutions—rather than the creation of local ideologies through struggle we had the adoption of wholly complete foreign concepts, idiots wearing Lenin hats or Mao shirts in hopes some pixie dust could sprinkle over them.
>>2445334I've seen the best discussion takes in X, unlike in instagram and bluesky, where it seems more like a echo chamber for libs.
also, you can 100% control what you see on X if you feed the algorithm with what you want.
>>2444827What is the feminism influence to be taken as of now?
Women have closed the gaps in many fields, hell even flipping the pay gap with gen z, and have taken over the literary fiction industry where they do systematic misandrist and white supremacist discrimination to authors.
Even that quote begs the question: if men are the bourgeois gender, how do they suffer from the patriarchy now?
Clearly the dynamics have to have change, (atleast here in america), with all the 3 waves of feminism that has had massive influence over 100 years that quote was made.
(Also side note: the book, while good, is outdated. It's like the first anthropology book so you cant blame Engles on that)
>>2445461Forgot:
It's important to learn that stuff I guess, but feminism is vast and its reactionary sides (frequently tolerated) are white washed since it has been liberalized.
The defense of the movement is just arbitrary defining to only include the good stuff, and dogmatic claims of sexism.
The movement I've found is at best exhausting, and at worst almost cia level of psyop to make people sexist.
>>2445356This perspective fundamentally misdiagnoses the nature of digital political engagement in the 21st century. The assumption that opposition movements can functionally avoid platforms owned by powerful entities reveals either technological naiveté or strategic detachment from reality. Consider three fatal flaws in this reasoning:
The Myth of Neutral Infrastructure: No communication platform exists in a power vacuum. Whether corporate-owned (Twitter/X, Meta), state-aligned (Weibo, VK), or decentralized (Mastodon, Bluesky), all channels carry operational risks. Abandoning a platform with 500 million active users for ideological purity functionally silences dissent by relegating it to digital obscurity.
Asymmetric Advantage to Oppressors: When principled activists voluntarily vacate major platforms, they surrender the digital public square to state narratives. Authoritarian regimes don't need technical bans when opposition self-censors. The 2023 Hong Kong protest movements demonstrated that precisely by exploiting corporate platform policies could they circumvent Chinese state censorship.
False Binary of Control: Competent digital strategies use mass platforms as amplifiers while maintaining encrypted fallback systems (Signal, Element) and independent infrastructure. The claim that presence equals dependence reflects tactical poverty. Sun Tzu's "appear weak when you are strong" applies digitally: Being banned from X after reaching 10 million users generates more sympathetic visibility than preaching only on Mastodon to 10,000.
The existential threat isn't capitalist platform ownership - it's failure to weaponize its contradictions. Historically, revolutionary movements from the American pamphleteers to Arab Spring organizers appropriated hostile systems. To abandon the digital terrain where actual populations exist isn't idealism; it's unilateral disarmament.
>>2445015The food is literally slop. Like there is no more accurate definition of slop food.
Also you aren’t getting it. The brand/concept is supposed to be slightly racist. It’s not a long American tradition. It was created in the 70s and the mad-men meeting was based around making a brand that just *feels* racist. That would give it the authentic charm.
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