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>>2440198 Around the country, President Donald Trump is circumventing the Senate to install top federal prosecutors, using loopholes to keep loyalists in place.
In U.S. attorney’s offices in Los Angeles, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico and upstate New York, the administration has effectively sidestepped or overridden both the Senate confirmation and judicial appointment processes for selecting U.S. attorneys.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/19/trump-us-attorneys-senate-confirmation-bypass-00515124>>2441672Soon plus two weeks
Anyways while we're waiting here's a concise analysis of the current occupation of DC from local sources
https://51st.news/national-guard-dc-faq/ >>2441703MILLIONS
MILLIONS MUST ORDER PANCAKES
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>Jim Simons’ mathematical skills helped transform him from a prize-winning academic at Harvard and MIT into a legendary financier whose algorithmic models made Renaissance Technologies one of the most successful hedge funds in history. After his death last year, one of his consequential bequests went to his daughter, Liz, who oversees the Heising-Simons Foundation and its nearly billion-dollar endowment.
>What Liz Simons has chosen to do with that inheritance might have surprised her father. Jim Simons devoted much of his charitable giving to basic research in mathematics and science, but his daughter’s foundation is moving in a very different direction. The Heising-Simons Foundation and similar organizations are supercharging a movement to remake K-12 mathematics education according to social justice principles.
>The revamp the advocates seek is profound. They reject well-established practices of math instruction while infusing lessons with racial and gender themes. The goal is to motivate disadvantaged students while dispensing with the traditional features of math, like numerical computation, that they struggle with on standardized tests – considered an oppressive feature of white supremacist culture.
>In many quarters, including corporations and universities, diversity, equity, and inclusion programs are in retreat due to pressure from the Trump administration and the courts. Not so in public education, with curricula that are locally controlled and largely insulated from the dictates of Washington. That allows progressive foundations and like-minded charitable trusts to continue to pour millions of dollars into reshaping math education for black and Latino kids, including a $800,000 grant this year from the Heising-Simons Foundation, even though there exists no credible research showing that the social justice approach improves their performance.
>“Politicians, and legislatures, even school boards,” are often too “hamstrung” to get things done, Bob Hughes, the director of K-12 education at the Gates Foundation, said at an online symposium on the need for racial equity policies in America's classrooms. Philanthropy, he added, faces fewer barriers in making rapid changes.
>The Gates Foundation has been a leader in the promotion of anti-racist math instruction. It supported a project called “A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction.” The project discards basic tenets of learning, like asking students to “show their work” and find the “right” answer as vestiges of “white supremacy culture.” The pathway is promoted by EdTrust West, which also receives support from the Spencer Foundation, the Heising-Simons Foundation, and other major donors.
>The Gates and Heising-Simons foundations have both supported TODOS Mathematics for All, an Arizona-based organization that calls for elevating DEI practices and anti-racist activism into all math instruction, with over $553,750 in grants in recent years. “We can no longer believe that a focus on curriculum, instruction, and assessment alone will be enough to prepare our children for survival in the world. We need antiracist conversations for ourselves and for our children,” TODOS president Linda Fulmore announced in 2020.…
>>2441708>try to increase salesWoke
>sales fallWoke did this
Former Vice President Kamala Harris on Thursday announced a 15-city book tour that will take her from New York and San Francisco to Toronto and London.
The tour will kick off Sept. 24, one day after the release of her memoir “107 Days,” and will end at Miami’s Ziff Opera House in late Novembe
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna226190Donald Trump's CVI Diagnosis Will Lead to His 'Collapse Within the Next 12 Months,' Alex Jones Insists: 'I've Seen a Lot of Signs of Him Declining'
He insisted that “at the current trajectory” of Trump’s health, the president “is going to have some sort of collapse within the next 12 months.”
“I’ve seen a lot of signs of Trump declining,” he said. “And so he’s on a lot of the time, but like a light bulb is starting to go out. It gets brighter, it gets dim; it goes in and out.”
Jones noted how Trump’s publicized diplomatic events show him as a strong, competent leader because “it’s 2 o’clock, 3 o’clock in the afternoon.”
However, the conspiracy theorist pointed out Trump’s decline as day becomes night, saying, “But you can watch the decline into the evening, and then also these morning interviews. So it’s late at night, he sounds like he’s drunk. He doesn’t drink, obviously. He’s exhausted. And then it is early in the morning, he doesn’t sound too hot.”
https://okmagazine.com/p/donald-trumps-cvi-diagnosis-will-lead-to-collapse-alex-jones/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/aug/21/texas-house-redrawn-electoral-map-republicans-us-politics-latest-updates-news?page=with%3Ablock-68a794568f080a6a4fa584ae#block-68a794568f080a6a4fa584ae
>So far, what was billed as a “ride-along” with law enforcement on the streets of Washington DC, has turned out to be mostly Donald Trump giving a short rally-style address to about 300 officers from the DC Metropolitan Police, the FBI, the National Guard, homeland security investigations, the DEA, ATF and US Marshals service.
>The president repeated his familiar attacks on renewable energy, telling the officers: “It’s it’s a very expensive form of energy, and we’re not doing the wind”.
>He also boasted about his legal victory on Thursday, when a New York appeals court threw out a multi-million dollar financial penalty against him after his conviction for fraud. Although the fraud conviction remains in place, Trump falsely implied that the judges had overturned his conviction.
>“We’re having a lot of victories. I had a victory today”, he said. “You know, they stole $550 million from me with a fake case, and it was overturned. They said this was a fake case. It’s a terrible thing, but it’s a nice victory, you know? I mean, it’s not bad, we all have, we all have our limits. But this was a terrible thing that it was a witch hunt”.
>He then invited several cabinet members and aides, including the homeland security secretary, Kristi Noem, and the interior secretary, Doug Burgum, to make remarks, which were focused on praising the president.
>Among Trump’s comments was a promise to clean up Washington DC, including its grass.
>“One of the things we are going to be redoing is your parks. I’m very good at grass ‘cause I have a lot of golf courses all over the place. I know more about grass than any human being I think anywhere in the world”, the president told the officers.
>“And we are going to be re-grassing all of your parks, all brand-new new sprinkler systems, the best that you can buy. Just like Augusta. No dead- it’ll look like Augusta. It will look like, more importantly, Trump national golf club, that’s even better”, he added, comparing his own golf course to the one in Augusta, Georgia where The Masters is held each spring.
>“We’re going to have all brand-new, beautiful grass. You know, like everything else, grass has a life. Do you know that? Grass has a life. You know, we have a life, and grass as a life. And the grass here died about 40 years ago”, the president said.
>He added that he had brought the officers “great hamburgers cooked by the White House” with him, as well as pizzas from a local chain, Wiseguy Pizza. “I’ll eat with you and we’re going to have a little fun, we’re going to celebrate, then we’re going to get back to work and we’re going to take care of these criminals”. >>2441777Management is solemnly announcing during store huddles that things which we've kept the same price on for years are going up $1-$2. Meanwhile there are products that, I dunno, to me seem to keep going out of stock and have some weirdness around them. I don't know if it's Trump's retarded economic policies or what, but shit like pineapple juice is on a cap (as in we can't order enough to meet demand) and other products like cottage cheese just wind up out of stock for weeks at a time.
I'm looking at maybe finally using my marketing degree, but what I'm hearing is that companies are going lean because they predict some crash is just around the corner. It's making me anxious.
>>2441784Man what the fuck are you talking about? Houdini and the IWW are okay.
>>2441805I had an old lib come through my line:
>"What's with all these prices? I thought the tariffs were supposed to make the prices go down!"<He's obviously sarcastic, big grin on his face. I see the customer behind him look over his shoulder and just stare daggers at the guy.I'll be honest, I worry guys. I really do. It feels like we're on a low boil, and while I'd love some kind of Socialist Revolution to cleanly overthrow the ruling class, I think what we're more likely to see is mass violence erupting out of the population in some war of all against all.
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>“We’re going to have all brand-new, beautiful grass. You know, like everything else, grass has a life. Do you know that? Grass has a life. You know, we have a life, and grass as a life. And the grass here died about 40 years ago”Settler colonialism is when you plant fake grass that immediately dies because its not adapted to native conditions. We gotta send the Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't guy to Israel lol
>>2441838>Wild West days>the 1930sliberal counter-revolution against workers
>>2441838but magacommunism
but real wages go up
but but but but but
>>2441843Okay so I only know a bit of finance bullshit, but you've got stuff like Warren Buffet stockpiling cash, right? Pretty decent sign of what's coming.
Markets are pretty untethered from reality. Something might cause a catastrophe soon.
>>2441874he will be kept barely alive with adrenochrome, and will be completely senile, but will run again, like biden, and will rig the election and win, and people will rise up in revolt, and he will put it down, and the resulting civil war will kill 50 million people, and he will die of a stroke a week after putting down the rebellion, and a carnation revolution will happen, and the old government will be reinstated, and the next president will be a centrist democrat (zionist)
>>2441908Honestly the "stop antisemitism" thing is the best and only trick they have. Trying to argue "GAZANS AREN'T STARVING, IT'S PALLYWOOD" just makes you look callous. Devoting resources to "Here's how Gazans are FAKING a genocide!" isn't a smart playbook.
Stop Antisemitism though? It plays on empathy, and lots of liberal-leaning people prioritize a vague sense of empathy such that it might be possible to drag them by the nose with it. It doesn't mention the actual genocide happening in real time, no, it just makes vague allusions to "anti-semitism", as though there's been a sudden rash of anti-Jewish violence. Now of course we can look at all the internet Nazis and maybe the more naive of us will say, "Oh wow, there HAS been so much antisemitism lately!" And that's a great way to defang opposition. Get in their heads. Make them feel like they're the bully.
Of course I don't want to say "antisemitism doesn't matter" but it's clear Zionists are using claims of antisemitism extremely cynically. All this does is empower the /pol/ types who recognize it as cynical politicking, and weakens vaguely "left" opposition by having them pre-empt any statement with: "Hey, I just want Jewish people to know, we care about you, we're here for you; but Israel has got to stop!"
>>2441911except they even go overboard with the Stop Antisemitism bullshit by accusing anything short of full throated support for IDF war crimes as "antisemitism" while ignoring actual antisemitism.
Ilhan Omar was nominated as "antisemite of the year" in 2019 by StopAntisemitism, the same year a mass shooting happened at a synagogue. What a fucking joke.
NEW DELHI – A Chinese official expressed solidarity with India against US tariffs on Indian exports, the latest sign of warming ties between the two Asian rivals.
“The United States has imposed tariffs of up to 50 per cent on India and it has even threatened for more. China firmly opposes this,” China’s ambassador to India, Mr Xu Feihong, said on Aug 22.
“China will firmly stand with India to uphold the multilateral trading system, with the World Trade Organisation at its core.”
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/china-firmly-stands-with-india-on-trump-tariffs-envoy-says>>2441980nazism is a very specific type of fascism in which the "superior race" discourse, racism, extreme ethnonationalism, and the intention to commit a genocide towards a scapegoat minority group (either religious or ethnic or both) plays a major role in both the internal politics and international imperialist politics.
for example, zionism is nazi.
>>2441906>So I guess YouTube borked my adblocker or something,if you use chrome, they stopped supporting ublock origin but you can fuck it back into listening to you by using dev mode chrome and getting the plugin directly from github instead of the chrome store.
if you use a different browser and plugin well idk how to help you
(for the record I don't use chrome, don't use chrome) >>2441997Anyone else "ironically" watch Alex Jones for the spectacle factor? It's just fun to listen to right wing idiocy and I have to give credit to Jones that he's a lote more
geniuine than a lot of "left" personalities who are just grifters
>>2441999Yeah but Dandolo was an intelligent dude who kept his mind sharp even into old age. A weak brain will clearly decline faster than a sharp one.
>>2441996oh, yeah, that's right, trump declines is obvious, but that doesn't mean he won't run again. fuck, the trump family will put him in a wheelchair and fill him with massive dosis of steroids and keep his brain with 7, 8, 9, 10, y.o. kids' blood and stem cells to keep him alive as much as they can, and run the US as much as they can, if they could.
>>2442001Alex Jones at this point praises "coastal elites" like trump and musk, and even supports musk the brain chip man.
Not genuine at all.
>>2441989Been using Opera for the most part.
>>2442001Less genuine, more spectacle. I think there was some dude on the QAA podcast who got to watch Alex Jones in his early years and knew he was going places because he had showmanship. Supposedly at the time a lot of conspiracy theorists kind of boringly "presented their case" in a way akin to a school lecture or whatever. Alex Jones is frothing at the mouth talking about the gay frogs.
>>2442213I’m trans, USA conservademon stance on transgender people is global. People in places as far as fucking Russia act like /pol/ chuds living in some American flyover shithole
Can’t really go anywhere when fascism is global
>>2442039Baltimore has seen such a reduction in crime rate because of actual community investment so they can't have that.
Getting sick of this honkey regime
>>2442229but there are protests every weekend. in LA, they never stopped, in DC, they have been every day since the proclamation. NYC has seen massive turnout as well. It's just that there is not as much property destruction.'
There is a media blackout on them. And yeah, I knew they were gonna do martial law in DC before the summer was up. Things are accelerating and something is gonna give eventually
>>2442235sure, but nationalism is how you get people to care about everything falling apart
>>2442238This country actually has no national identity, and you can see it in the people, they're in a constant identity crisis
>>2442233It reminds me of this quote from Malema
>"The Afrikaner is the only white man who is a true South African. The rest are tourists… The Afrikaners didn't bring any capital; they were brought here to look after the interests of the Dutch. They are the only white people who didn't come here with a return ticket… They are here to stay."When Crisis hits America and the danger becomes clear, there are going to be two different types of Americans. Those that flee and take refuge in other countries around the world. And the other, more real, more authentic American that chooses to stay and ride out the wave of transformation America is undergoing as it adjusts to a multipolar world. I hope most people here choose to be the latter group
>>2442246>This country actually has no national identity,BRUH 4th of july founding fathers 1776 stars and stripes star spangled banner thanksgiving semper fi ooh rah 1 2 3 4 i love the marine corps thin blue line blah blah blah
America's problem is too much jingoism. why double down?
>>2442254>nationalism built from above rather than nationalism built from belowhow about proletarian internationalism and less flag waving patriotic chauvinist bullshit that's just used to browbeat people for not going along with whatever latest atrocity.
>oooh but tha'ts not real nationalism bro, real nationalism has never been tried, that was just uhhh umm imperialism disguised as nationalismgive it a rest. nationalism has been the dominant form of political expression since the treat of westphalia. it's done. it's over. it's outta juice. it is the quinitessential bourgeois mode of political expression. It gave us Zionism, National Socialism, Fascism, and American Exceptionalism.
>>2442263>half the examples i mentionedthey're not communist so I don't care
>>2442264>proletarian internationalismI love it. but then leftypol would get all angry because its actually shit like AI and social media that is the primary driver of that
>>2442266okay except anticolonial nationalism just as often becomes reactionary, that's proven by algeria, that's proven in ethiopia, that's proven in countless other examples, you are just trying to resuscitate a corpse
>>2442270some of them were, that's why i said "half the examples" because i chose ones that were led by "communist" parties you fucking imbecile
>>2442246>This country actually has no national identity, and you can see it in the people, they're in a constant identity crisisneurotic settlers in Israel: (whining to their fellow PMC psychologist about their collective trauma from being imperialist parasites who carved out their soul to become abominations for the sake of satanic capital)
German style neurotic settlers? Where have I heard of that before LOL
>>2442262>That's culture, not national identity. common mistakeThere is no such thing as culture
https://historiansplaining.com/myth-of-the-month-22-culture/You use an 19th century German word about plants because liberals are soulless pod-people vegetable fascists, not warm blooded humans
>>2442293>you cannot "build a new american nation"why not? it would actually be easier here than anywhere else since there's no old national identity getting in the way
>problems of nationalismwe are all aware of the problems of nationalism anon but to simply dismiss it out of fear is foolish
>>2442295basically here's the ultimate point for all of you, whether you agree with me a little or not, as communists our goal is not to simply change bourgeois society to be nicer, it is to abolish it in its entirety, that means you cannot have Proletarian Nationalism, Proletarian Religion, or whatever delusion you want, fundamentally all of the things you're trying to harmonize are all on life support, artificially maintained by lunatics of reactionary ideology, and we have no obligation to save them from themselves, we must instead let them die and construct something new entirely, not a nation, but rather the lack thereof, we must emancipate humanity from class society, not because we personally want to, but because it's the only action forward without traversing the endless seas of failure and opportunism
>>2442313jesus christ man
>>2442312you are stuck in a past for which the world has since moved past from, what is yugoslavia today? what is brotherhood and unity today? it is nothing
normies: left, right, center, con artist, worker, owner
book nerds: revolutionary, reactionary, reformist, revisionist, proletariat, bourgeoisie
>>2442358keyword: when
you can stand in the outfield waiting for the flyball but that doesn't mean it's gonna come your way.
>>2442363>I think the point of the convo was how nationalism might need to be decontextualized of course jingoists want to decontextualize nationalism so that they can draw a false equivalency between ho chi minh fighting franco-american imperialism and americans doing jingoism like always
>and reshaped to serve the communist cause in a revolutionary scenario we aren't in a revolutionary scenario. reactionaries hold power and say communism is unmerican. you aren't going to outdo them because they have 100 years of this rhetoric on their side and every hooting flag waving jingoist in this country hates communism or thinks its a sad joke
>where the empire collapses and different ideological groups of Americans are gunning for victoryyou're counting chickens before the eggs have even been laid, let alone before they hatch
>>2442352The person who spent weeks sowing rumors about me being racist, and then attacking me because I identify as creole (literally cannot explain how humiliating it is to have to explain that your father is literally 3 shades darker than you in some effort to appeal to the vibe checker who thinks you're secretly a racist because you made an argument that its perfectly acceptable and even good that I push back from the identity of white, while still being like "yes the whiteness is part of the system so I do have privilege". And of course the person doing this is with the PSL
My friend who lives and works on a Res and is native, I mean involved in the tribe and deeply connected to the culture and land, she's literally of a lighter skin tone than my father! Damn I'm the racist tho? Like we are pulling out the skin tone cards and comparing them? What's next the skull calipers? I have friends who are straight up mixed but look "white", is Logic welcome in the spot if he says he's not white? Who is this person to decide this shit?
I think this shit is actually important as fuck to talk about but doing so actually hinders my ability to do IRL organizing. It's such a panopticon now, everything I say can and will be used against me by people whom paint themselves as allies but are actually sycophants. I moved to Florida literally to provide material support to the LGBT community, believing the repression here is worth fighting against. I've helped trans women literally plan moves due to people in our network having resources but this dude literally has everyone thinking I shouldn't go to the queer events because I'm doing "stolen valor" and not really queer. Dog I've fucked men what do you want, a video of it? Yeah real "safe space".
Same thing with me talking about being homeless, bouncing between couches, trading sex with people I didn't want to sleep with for a few days of a bed and shower. But this is also stolen valor because I was never "truly on the streets" and I'm "taking from people who have it worse than I could ever fathom" and I literally told this mf I know there are levels to this shit but I have camped behind the dumpster and I have traded favors to assure I don't have to do that. And having to explain that to the people this person is spreading these rumors to? humiliating. I don't even want to come around the spot because I don't know what's been said and to who.
shit has me wanting to crash out and it's been like 3 weeks.
>>2441672Here's what you have to do for revolution. Once every question is answered with 'yes', there
can be revolution.
1. Is there a group of intelligensia that raised the banner of Marxism in a given country? Did it grow on its own or in opposition to some already existing unscientific popular anticapitalist movement?
2. Is a popular political programme written?
3. Have Marxist circles of intelligents multiplied, spread, expanded, all while upholding the programme?
4. Have the Marxist circles united around party principles?
5. Is party-to-be ready to pass from circle propaganda to mass agitation?
6. Is there mass workers movement already existing? Are workers already struggling and organizing on their own? That is, is consciousness ripe to pass from trade-unionism to party-building? Is it below trade-union consiousness?
7. Has the would-be party educated enough workers politically in their struggle? Has it explained and connected the mass movement with communist political demands?
8. Has the would-be party built enough connections among the working class movement? Enough working class organizations? Built trust among the workers by working amongst them? Ready to respond to every injustice the workers may face?
9. Does the would-be party give impetus elswhere across the country to establish similar working class organizations? Are groundworks laid for an all-country organization that can start building the communist party and go against the bourgeois state?
You'll notice that every single question leaves no wiggle room for misinterpertation. They all follow the SMART mnemonic. (specific - measurable - achieavable - relevant - time-oriented)
>>2442386i already answered this objection in the post you replied to with smug greentext:
you said:
>where the empire collapses and different ideological groups of Americans are gunning for victoryand I replied
<you're counting chickens before the eggs have even been laid, let alone before they hatchbut I also have another objection. What did nationalism look like in the collapsed kaiserreich? it took on the form of national socialism. which as reactionary and jingoistic. so even in your ideal circumstances it can easily turn into that.
>>2442393I started replying to this and have written like 7 paragraphs of tactical analysis out of nowhere
ill be back
>>2441948>>2442000Totally different people. Your parasocial paranoid ad hominem is but a distraction from the facts. AmeriKKKans will always want to rape the third-world for more. Even when their monopoly prices are falling they pretend prices have risen because ameriKKKans are eternal victims same as zionazis.
If what CPU$A anon said isnt total bullshit and libtards really are this deranged, then prices will continue to fall and these boomer libtard will become more delusional as real prices keep falling because ameriKKKan imperialist law of uneven development and law of value. Cpu$a say that ameriKKKans will eat each other over funkopop when imperialism keep making funkopop cheaper is but a delusion.
>>2442412>AmeriKKKans will always want to rape the third-world for morenice racial essentialism retard
>>2442413yes
now answer the question
>>2442414The first poSt was literally quoting the bit about misinterpretation and pointing out that it is fundamentally impossible to write language in such a way that it cannot be misinterpreted. The fact you misinterpreted something literally quoting what it was in reference to was quite literally demonstrating my point.
The second bit is pointing out that capitalist framing largely places human workers as dtones, so i would be very wary of using anything from capitalists that tells you how to structure your thinking.
>>2442416leftcom nonsense
>>2442417>>2442418"bourgeois" and "proletarian" nations - this is hitlerite ideology. in practice this thinking is practically racialist and justifies unorganized violence (anarchism ie fascism) instead of organized violence (proletarian dictatorship).
>>2442234>a small healthy dose of Nationalism help with thisthere's nothing leftist when imperialist states engage in nationalism. no matter how much you masquerade it. because nationalism implies to love a state beyond their horrendous things, and imperialism not only is the most horrendous thing there is, it's a crime for everyone on the planet.
the fact america exists is because of the rancid nationalism present in their country.
>>2442432On patriotism there’s an old quote along the lines of
>”My country, right or wrong. If right, to be kept right. If wrong, to be set right.”Most blind “patriots” just shorten it to the first sentence. Ultimately I see ultra-nationalists the same way I see evangelicals, at least in the American context—it’s a projection of the personal ego onto a higher form that justifies any libidinal impulse.
>>2442473Frame this however you want man John Bolton overall is an unpopular figure who many are fine being targeted and having rules bent against him since he has done bad things so they won't care much that it is being weaponized against him. If it stops at Bolton yeah who cares he sucks but it won't it is simply the way to introduce the idea in a way that it is acceptable
This is not new with deportations they put the people who were criminals all over news to show you yeah look these are the bad guys they deserve it then people go yeah look at the crime he did how can you be against this??? Then they take out college kids protesting for Palestine too and escalating it
They do the same thing with women's sports and trans people. They make rules for trans people then people go wow man you want guys competing with girls??? But that is not where they stop they are against trans as a concept in itself and want it limited for regular adults
When they talk about trans kids care it is just a way to get an acceptable conversation going when they want to go after adults too. You got to see their long game with this and not just look at Bolton.
>>2442495until that day comes communists in the imperial core will continue to be viewed as a 5th column for the PRC, just like they used to be seen as a 5th column for the USSR. because that's what American patriotism is fundamentally about: preserving american supremacy against proletarian itnernationalism.
>>2442490Another Banger from Engels in the same tone:
>If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. […] Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/ A party organ should be broadly decentralized, relying on small teams of horizontally integrated cadre. These cadre must be capable of operating with minimal contact from the main party organ, which must exist in both legal and illegalist forms. This operational standard allows for a far wider reach for the "party," which is, in the most idealistic sense, "the people"—the mass line applied horizontally.
Effectively, one has 1,000 cells of 3–5 people who share roughly the same beliefs and line of thought/action. These cells cannot be in constant communication with each other, nor can they maintain regular contact with the primary party apparatus. They must apply ideological education to material conditions without direct orders, while understanding that the overarching line, as mandated by the party organ (read: the people), constitutes the direct orders. The organ cannot execute actions itself, but it can produce propaganda; if propaganda does not align with deeds, cells must interpret the organ critically. For example, if the organ states that "ambush tactics such as those used at the ICE facility in Texas are poorly planned and only result in jail time at best," cells must evaluate their own actions accordingly. Similarly, when a report emerges from a tenant-union effort, members elsewhere should assess the weight of that submission.
As the organ grows—through regular contributors, actionists, report-backs, donations (limited to grassroots, from the people), or similar inputs—those contributors may gain administrative rights necessary to create their own segments under the party logo/line/organ framework. The party organ is rhizomatic, adaptive, hydra-like.
Consider a singular party newspaper or analogous media platform, potentially a streaming service or radio station. This infrastructure develops the line, allowing cell members to connect or communicate as needed. Membership is de facto rather than formal; individuals can follow the organ, contribute submissions, call in, engage in discourse, and thereby participate without conventional dues or enrollment.
As the party organ grows—think Iskra in a digital age—responsibility for maintaining primary channels should be decentralized, redundant, and distributed. Leadership is a persona anyone can assume, preventing decapitation attacks from destroying the organ. Its purpose is to build infrastructure to expand cells, which in turn decentralize the organ, spreading like weeds across a field rather than a single tree in a plain. The revolution must be a lived, ground-up experience, not a spectacle to observe or a command to obey.
Even at the initial stage, a strong vanguard is necessary—like the first block of slime mold growth—to establish the line. This line evolves democratically through submissions, contributions, input, and actions from emerging cells. As the mold spreads, centralized elements of the party (read: the people) gain the capacity to call for stronger actions. One cannot call a general strike with only four cells in three cities; such actions become viable only with 1,000 cells in 100 cities actively pursuing the goal.
Cell members must cultivate robust relationships with autonomous mutual aid organizations, such as local Food Not Bombs collectives, Free Fridge initiatives, or even church-based entities when material conditions dictate. These organizations remain autonomous, but durable ties allow cells to contribute labor, creative output, and operational support, while drawing material and social capital from these networks. Members must remain low to the ground—mobile, resourceful, self-sufficient—reinforcing the hydra model of distributed, independent operational capacity.
Material conditions vary drastically across locations, even within a 200-mile radius. Adapting to hyperlocal realities and channeling insights into a larger dual-power structure enables rapid, creative problem-solving: new conditions produce new solutions, which can then inform approaches elsewhere. The old world is rotting; like mold, we must decompose it ourselves.
>>2442518>>Effectively, one has 1,000 cells of 3–5 people who share roughly the same beliefs and line of thought/action. These cells cannot be in constant communication with each other, nor can they maintain regular contact with the primary party apparatus. They must apply ideological education to material conditions without direct orders, while understanding that the overarching line, as mandated by the party organ (read: the people), constitutes the direct orders. The organ cannot execute actions itself, but it can produce propaganda; if propaganda does not align with deeds, cells must interpret the organ critically. For example, if the organ states that "ambush tactics such as those used at the ICE facility in Texas are poorly planned and only result in jail time at best," cells must evaluate their own actions accordingly. Similarly, when a report emerges from a tenant-union effort, members elsewhere should assess the weight of that submission.you lost me man. that all just amounts to 'vibes'
Uganda will accept third-country deportees from US
Conditions of the agreement stipulate Uganda will not accept “individuals with criminal records and unaccompanied minors.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/21/trump-deportations-third-country-uganda-00518163 Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said Friday that the company is discussing a potential new computer chip designed for China with the Trump administration.
Huang was asked about a possible “B30A” semiconductor for artificial intelligence data centers for China while on a visit to Taiwan, where he was meeting Nvidia’s key manufacturing partner, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., the world’s largest chip maker.
“I’m offering a new product to China for … AI data centers, the follow-on to H20,” Huang said. But he added that “That’s not our decision to make. It’s up to, of course, the United States government. And we’re in dialogue with them, but it’s too soon to know.”
https://apnews.com/article/china-taiwan-tsmc-nvidia-chips-huang-trump-51467ac87644089788b2447c912552d3>>2442548this
>>2442544the imperial russian army was largely made up of poor conscripts
>>2442518No, I do not agree with this. First, the muddled idea about 'masses'. I'll just quote Lenin directly
>The mere presentation of the question—“dictatorship of the party or dictatorship of the class; dictatorship (party) of the leaders, or dictatorship (party) of the masses?”—testifies to most incredibly and hopelessly muddled thinking. These people want to invent something quite out of the ordinary, and, in their effort to be clever, make themselves ridiculous. It is common knowledge that the masses are divided into classes, that the masses can be contrasted with classes only by contrasting the vast majority in general, regardless of division according to status in the social system of production, with categories holding a definite status in the social system of production; that as a rule and in most cases—at least in present-day civilised countries—classes are led by political parties; that political parties, as a general rule, are run by more or less stable groups composed of the most authoritative, influential and experienced members, who are elected to the most responsible positions, and are called leaders. All this is elementary. All this is clear and simple. Why replace this with some kind of rigmarole, some new Volapük?https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch05.htmAnd second, I don't think you quite understand what's going on when a revolution is organizing. I guess this is also a general opinion about the US left which is overhyping the 'situation' as 'actually existing revolutionary conditions' instead of what it is. Just imperialism as it has always been without the fluff. No, it really is no different from imperialism from before, it just came back home to you. Welcome to 1880s tsarist Russia, hope you appreciate the parallels.
The vanguard cannot exist before the (class) party and the (class) party cannot exist before a class consciousness is formed. A class recognizing itself as a class is different from the 'mass', a mass is just a multitude, it has no relation to the means of production. So what is continously going on with the USA left is that they think there is a working class, a Marxist intellgensia that formulated the class interest (again, history of all workingclass movements tells us that without an outside intelligensia, the sponetanous movement can only reach trade-union consciousness) and it is ready to imbue the working class movement with communist political demands. Having an organized class intelligensia having it's
credo to Marxism is step number one to social revolution. You don't even have this in America. Refer to the checklist:
>>2442374I am in agreement that communist cadre are to be found in any kind of solidarity social network. But it is impetus that the working class movement has a center and it is important to keep a iron grip on cadres out in the working class organizations, otherwise they might waver to reformism or some other nonsense. The idea of a hydra can never work, because in the real world, movements fall apart without leaders. Refer to LWCAID. Refer to the German revolution. Refer to Brazil. To Indonesia.
>>2442534The vanguard, in its initial form, constitutes this very body—a minimal core responsible for establishing the foundational line and operationalizing the primary party organ. This organ must then grow rhizomatically, its expansion directly coupled to the proliferation of cells. The process is organic: a founding cell of three individuals in one town facilitates a connection with a sympathetic contact four towns over, who in turn forms a new cell. A joint action is executed, a detailed report-back is authored, and this material is published by the central organ. This publication functions not as mere news, but as a strategic directive; it may contain a call to action, soliciting further communication from rural organizers. Subsequent successes and failures are integrated into the organ’s output, generating an evolving editorial line that prioritizes effective tactics, such as small-town mutual aid.
Concurrently, individual cell members operate their own localized media and networking apparatuses, but they do so under the umbrella of the national network’s framework—adhering to its unified branding, stylistic conventions, and, most critically, its integrated feedback loops. This structure enables vital discourse, such as between a practitioner in Nebraska and an organizer in Ottawa, to occur directly and horizontally. This exchange is not contingent upon formal membership status but is facilitated by shared engagement with the organ. The party, in its ideal expression, is not a distinct entity but is synonymous with the community and the people themselves; it is the mass line made manifest through decentralized practice.
Trump Administration may reopen Appleton, MN prison for ICE detention
Prairie Correctional Facility has been vacant since closing in 2010.
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/trump-administration-may-reopen-appleton-mn-prison-for-ice-detention>>2442565>lenins tactics for an actual revolution back then should uncritically be replicated 1:1 today>lets ignore actual scientific analysis of nationalism and how the proletariat simply has no reason to be nationalistlol you are a massive jerkoff
mao wasnt even a communist, not even worth talking about
>>2442028>Been using Opera for the most part.Just to let you know, Opera is spyware, in fact one of the worst.
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/opera>Opera makes about 83 unsolicited requests on its first run…>By default, it spies on all your browsing. Works closely with advertisers and trackers. It is integrated with Facebook/Meta, one of the biggest privacy violators in the world. Has Google as the default search engine. Closed source.>Opera makes geolocation requests…>Anytime you visit a website, Opera will make a request like this to check if it is malicious. So it is literally spying on your whole browsing history>Opera has a list of "partners" — those are the websites that are in the Speed Dial by default.>If you click on one of them from there, they will know you visited from Opera's Speed Dial. Those requests also include unique user IDs.>>2442058>firefox is compromizedAt least you can tweak Firefox. Good luck doing that with proprietary software like Opera.
Hegseth fires head of Defense Intelligence Agency, Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kruse
The firing follows a June preliminary assessment from the DIA - the Pentagon's main intelligence wing - of the Iran military strikes, which prompted vicious backlash from the Trump administration.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/08/22/defense-intelligence-agency-kruse-fired-hegseth/>>2442576>Trump said earlier this month that he was doubling tariffs on India to 50% from 25%>New Delhi says the U.S. encouraged it to buy from Russia to keep global oil prices from soaring after Western governments stopped using it as a supplier.the USA is a senile demented state lol
a hulking tyrant retard of a country
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>>2442589> the leftypol beliefpeople push pastsoc on here all the time. stop making the board out to be monolithic
> that patriotism is bad always in every situation always, when that's clearly not the caseMultiple people have stated in this 100+ post conversation that the nationalism of ho chi minh, fidel castro, thomas sankara, mao zedon, and kim il sung were valid parts of the anticolonial struggle in peripheral countries that were also having proletarian revolutions. But in the United States patriotism and nationalism tend to be monopolized by reactionary chauvinists, and it is not so easy to flip the script on them when communists are accused nonstop of being unAmerican 5th columnists. You might want to change that so we're perceived as patriotic, but it's hard to do that when you're fighting on their terms and not on your own. Since they define patriotism as undying loyalty to the imperialist government, it's hard to undo that.
U.S. asks deposits of up to $15,000 for travelers from Malawi and Zambia
The large reimbursable bond requirements could amount to a form of travel ban, some experts said. The pilot program could expand to other countries.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/08/22/trump-travel-bonds-deposits-15000-malawi-zambia/An inmate at Ghislaine Maxwell's cushy new prison has been abruptly transferred to a higher security facility after publicly criticizing the convicted sex trafficker, Daily Mail can reveal.
Julie Howell, who is serving a one-year sentence for theft, was removed from Federal Prison Camp, Bryan in Texas after blasting Maxwell as 'disgusting' in an interview with a British newspaper earlier this month.
According to Howell's lawyer Patrick McClain, prison warden Dr. Tanisha Hall called the 44-year-old Texas native into her office and informed her she was being moved immediately.
Speaking exclusively to Daily Mail, McClain said Hall told Howell, 'you've ruined my weekend', and complained about her phone 'blowing up' over the controversy.
Howell was then booted out of Bryan so fast she did not have time to collect her medication or her glasses.
She is now being held at the grim Federal Detention Center in Houston where the inmates are more violent and the conditions are far worse.
In another twist, Howell only decided to speak up because one of her family members was a victim of sex trafficking – the crime for which Maxwell received a 20-year sentence.
Julie has been punished for crossing the system and speaking her mind openly,' McClain told Daily Mail.
'President Trump has talked about wanting to punish and put in jail his political opponents.
'I have no reason to believe that the president knows who Julie Howell is, but by speaking her mind she has angered his administration and has suffered the consequences'.
Maxwell, 63, was moved to Bryan from the higher security FCI Tallahassee in Florida last month amid intense pressure on Donald Trump over the release of files related to the late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein
Experts said such a move was unprecedented as Maxwell was convicted of trafficking minors to Epstein in 2022 and was given the lengthy prison term.
Bryan, which has been described as a 'cushy country club' is normally reserved for less serious crimes like Howell's. She was jailed for a year for theft.
Among its inmates are Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes, who is serving more than 11 years for fraud and former Real Housewife Jen Shah serving six-and-a half years for conspiracy.
Maxwell met with deputy attorney general Todd Blanche over two days in July to discuss what information she could provide to prosecutors. Hours later she was moved to Bryan.
Her arrival caused outrage among the other prisoners, including Howell.
The interview with UK newspaper The Telegraph was published on August 4. In it Howell, 44, was quoted as saying that 'every inmate I've heard from is upset she's here'.
She said in an email to the outlet: 'This facility is supposed to house non-violent offenders. Human trafficking is a violent crime.'
According to McClain, within hours of the article being published, Howell was hauled before Hall.
McClain said: 'Dr. Hall called Julie into his office and said she was extremely upset and that she had ruined her weekend.
'Dr. Hall said that her phone had been blowing up with people calling about the interview. Julie was upset about what was going on.
'Julie was put on a transport and taken to FDC Houston immediately. She didn't pick up her medication, her personal effects or even her glasses.
'Once she got to Houston she was put in a SHU, or Special Housing Unit, in a windowless cell and only allowed out for an hour of fresh air every two days.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15022435/Inmate-Ghislaine-Maxwells-cushy-new-prison-booted-grim-lock-slamming-interview.htmlU.S. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard is blocking America's closest intelligence allies from receiving updates on Russia-Ukraine peace talks in a shock move that upends decades of tight cooperation.
That effectively cuts America's Five Eyes partners — the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand — out of the loop, stunning the intelligence community that has relied on the network since the end of World War II.
https://www.politico.eu/article/tulsi-gabbard-freeze-five-eyes-allies-on-ukraine-intel/>>2442669No I just recognize the quality of the relationships and conversations. If I have to give another plus, when a woman is sweet to you, it just naturally hits you kind more as a man, maybe less of a barrier as between men, but most women nowadays aren't even sweet.
Women are usually just a neverending chore. But I'm happy for you and your wife, and I hope she doesn't just up and change her mind and leave your ass a year from now on a whim.
>>2442690i come here to talk about politics, not to "be with men". I also read posts from here out loud to my wife sometimes and we have long discussions with politics. Things aren't as reductive as you're making them out to be. Women usually pretend to be men when posting online to avoid being sexually harassed.
anyway you dodged the question. what is/was your relationship with your mother like?
>>2442688it isnt a book, illiterate ameriKKKan pig. that article is utter imperialist propaganda. parenti is fascist imperialist monopolist feudalist pig. this evidence is totally damning. even his son is a trumpite ameriKKka first fascist
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/02/15/trump-empire-they-hated-him/what do you ameriKKKans seek to gain by defending this anti-Communist scum? answer honestly please
>>2442714>I'm sure you were the pinnacle of emotionless and stoic when typing thisYes, actually. I know your whole day is going to be ruined unless you can imagine that the man who said the mean things is emotionally distraught right now.
>>2442716Blame Houdini and this fucking White knight faggot with the wife and daughter who can never shut up about them in this thread.
>>2442351>Okay I really do believe that this hustlebro culture shit in combination with my personal history have fried my ability to actually date women because I simply cannot keep self sabatoging but I also have no idea how to approach building a relationship that's not strongly transactional ie you spend time with me, I spend money on you at the mall. Did I just primarily date a specific type of woman bc I was really engaged with the hustlebro content, but I still sort of feel like a hustlebro like we gotta grind I have no hobbies, watch no films, rarely read fiction, really do not value rest or relaxation, but I'm not worried about getting to a million dollars per say, im worried about building something revolutionary but that contradicts the whole views on self worth in relation to financial ability, but does it really? most of the well known leftists are very well off. >>2442711>>2442695shut up
>>2442717why are you taking his bait and making another tiresome "dengoid" conversation when he started off by lying and saying parenti is a #FreeTibet lib when he has written against tibet? STICK TO THE TOPIC AND CONFRONT HIM ON HIS LIES.
>>2442726>Men tend to monopolize conversations that take on a impersonal, professional, competitive tone (for historical and systemic reasons) while women tend to talk more in conversations that are interpersonal, informal, or cooperative tone (for the same historical and systemic reasons). But both men and women tend to speak about 16,000 words per day on average.I don't believe it.
But anyways, in my experience with women, they tend to do all the talking because women have no filter of like "is this person actually interested in what I'm saying?" I think they literally do not give a fuck. I never tend to "monopolize" a conversation, because I don't feel the need to go on and on some shit that the person doesn't understand, isn't interested in, isn't even listening to. I could talk to a cat like a woman if I was interested in that.
>>2442717isnt it strange that parenti calls Chinese poor yet their bottom 50% had long passed the wealth of ameriKKKa bottom 50%? China eliminated poverty so Parenti is a totally wrong idiot like all neoliberal "anti-dengist"
>>2442729mao said the kind of tree determines the kind of flower, and the kind of class determines the kind of talk.
all ameriKKKans are the same so ameriKKKan bourgeois imperialist monopolist like parenti is bound to spawn most similar demon.
>>2442731>STICK TO THE TOPIC AND CONFRONT HIM ON HIS LIES.im not the one lying. parenti said china was poor but china eliminated poverty. the chinese bottom 50% were richer than ameriKKKa bottom 50% when he wrote his lies.
>In the 1990s, the Han, the ethnic group comprising over 95 percent of China’s immense population, began moving in substantial numbers into Tibet. On the streets of Lhasa and Shigatse, signs of Han colonization are readily visible. Chinese run the factories and many of the shops and vending stalls. Tall office buildings and large shopping centers have been built with funds that might have been better spent on water treatment plants and housing. Chinese cadres in Tibet too often view their Tibetan neighbors as backward and lazy, in need of economic development and “patriotic education.” During the 1990s Tibetan government employees suspected of harboring nationalist sympathies were purged from office, and campaigns were once again launched to discredit the Dalai Lama. Individual Tibetans reportedly were subjected to arrest, imprisonment, and forced labor for carrying out separatist activities and engaging in “political subversion.” Some were held in administrative detention without adequate food, water, and blankets, subjected to threats, beatings, and other mistreatment. [46]parenti is literally the average anti-dengist, calling Communist China poor (totally wrong) and screaming free tibet lmao
>>2442738you said parenti was pro-tibetan feudalism when he wrote a book against it. you lie and repeat lie and never admit lie.
>>2442609> Parenti is literally feudalist tibet "independence" supporterthen i said
>>2442616>arenti literally wrote a book against tibetan buddhist reactionaries called "friendly feudalism (the tibet myth)" in which he praised mao zedong's liberation of tibetbut you never acknowledge this and just repeat lie lie lie even after ban and retreat to tor node like typical mass tor baiter
>>2442754>bizarre takeyou might be illiterate
he wasnt proletarian. he didnt even scientifically study the class struggle. his programme was never remotely marxist. nothing but class collaboration shit at the expense of the working class
>>2442747This text
>>2442738 is from that source. Parenti is literally screeching free tibet and calling China poor. How can you defend these lies? Parenti didnt explicity praise Mao a single time.
>>2442769I didn't say I never have emotions. I said I'm not emotional about this subject and especially in this moment. You can have negative opinions on things without an emotional reaction. I thought you were claiming you are have a negative opinion on myself with no underlying emotional reaction?
Anyways, you dumb faggot, you are the one who spun it around it to this faggot debate where we speculate on the emotional state of the entity producing the text characters. For all you know I am an LLM built just to trigger people like you.
>>2442249What if we got people to say they’re American - (what ever race) they are? You got American-blacks, American-whites, American-Chinese, American-Hispanic, ect ect.
Put the American first and your sub category second. A lot of American racial categories only exist and make sense in America in the first place. You can take anyone from that list and stick them anywhere and culturally they’ll still be an American.
>>2442802I made a passing statement in response to Houdini's post, and you became
OBSESSED with me, and you won't stop replying about this bullshit until you feel you have sufficiently vanquished me. I won't continue this stupid conversation in the next thread.
>>2442428they feed back to each other. one can't exist with the other and viceversa. that's why imperial nationalism never should be encouraged in leftists circles.
American Exceptionalism? no.
Manifest Destiny? no.
Racist founder fathers? no.
US constitution? no.
it should be a basic standard, but I've seen enough of US leftism, to understand the difficulty of dismantling these basic notions.
>>2442631There's definitely women out there you can enjoy your time just talking too, especially if you two share mutual interests.
Though ngl online hyper progressives, misandrists, and feminists – damaged my perspective on women, and I always have the thought in the back of my head that at any moment they'll falsely accuse me of rape and that'll be a whole mess to deal with.
>>2442776Maybe you should decenter women from your life by being bi or gay.
I thank god every day for giving me the opportunity to make interacting with women a choice.
>>2442889>All I said were women were boring and are bad conversationalists.some women are, other women aren't.
>Of course, this the crime of the century, no, not "crime of the century" just boilerplate misogyny
>spawning a battle that must be won at all costs by all true defenders of womankindpushing back against your misogyny because it's reactionary, not because all women are perfect
>Meanwhile of course, just as bad or worse negative generalizations were lobbedI made no hasty generalizations about men. I just fought back against your reactionary misogyny. I fought you and only you, not "men".
> the men, pseudo-men, and former mendamn you really can't help yourself with little remarks like these. you give it all away what you're about.
>spergoutyou actually sperged out about women and we just made a vain attempt to reeducate you but you double down on your reaction and accused everyone of being emotional, gay, trans, not real men, whiteknighting, etc.
>>2443132>hyper progressives, misandrists, and feminists – damaged my perspective on womenFeminists be like:
"rapists, soldiers, reactionaries – damaged my perspective on men"
you would call a remark like this "misandry" despite it being the mirror image of your misogyny
>>2443136Yeah you're not wrong.
I just wonder why if women are so intollerable why still think about them
>>2443154No I call misandrists misandrists since they take men hating to the next level and white wash capitalism plus attack other identities – like defending white supremacy in a means to attack black men, engage in terfism to defend their biological essential analysis, etc.
The feminists I have a problem with since they're liberals that either tolerate or sympathize with misandrists.
Also your argument proves my point of why to hate them lol.
> How many men are rapists and/or protect rapists?> How many men are soldiers because of some conscious decision and not massive conditioning or being groomed by recruiters> How many men are reactionaries because of a deep material interest (which makes them savable) and instead just pushed into it with that conditioning and being told that they are the supporter gender? For the feminist, the idea of giving a counter argument, aka critizing a woman, is rape – since men having consent is problematic to them.
Hence why they favor group pressure and sex withholding, and arguments are compromised by biological essentialism.
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