/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

The Ukros are posting more complete excerpts from Kellogg:

<If Putin was winning, he'd be in Kyiv. If he was winning, he'd be west of the Dnieper River. If he was winning, he'd be on Odesa.
<If he was winning, he would have changed the government. Russia is, in fact, losing this war. Now, they may make movements and say, well, they're advancing in the Donbas region and the Donetsk.
<But if you consider advancing moving by meters, not miles, well, then, okay, that's successful. But at the cost they're having, it's enormous. And I don't think people truly appreciate it

The question is, is this just more "winning too slowly" tripe that will age poorly, or is it narrative preparation because Putin is in fact going to stop with 2-4 oblasts and leave the Zelensky government in power? The former I can laugh off, the latter I cannot.

>>2480657
Are there people who used this site that actually believe this kind of stuff? wew

>“NATO is at war with Russia.” — Peskov
So the ISR satellites are fair game now. Right? R-r-r-right?

>Ukrainian "patriots" teach cats to meow in Ukrainian

>The familiar "meow", as it turns out, is a sign of Russification, the correct designation of the cat sound in Ukrainian is "nyaw"
~NYAAAAHH~ anon-kun

>Zelensky threatened Russian oil exports in his evening address.

>special forces are also keeping an eye on the Ust-Luga port and all other Russian points of entry to the world market, Zelensky said.

>Earlier, Ukrainian drones attacked Primorsk in the Leningrad region.

he jinxed it.

>Ukrainian beach soccer players refused to play against Belarusians in Euroleague match.

>The World Cup finalists were supposed to compete in the super final in men's beach soccer. But the Ukrainian team boycotted the match.

TAKE THAT PUT… ern, TAKE THAT LUKASHENKO

Oh boy, the anti-Mashasification discourses are doubling-down…
>Ukrainian animation director Oleg Malamuzh stated that because of the Russian cartoon "Masha and the Bear" children in Ukraine have become uncontrollable, toxic and aggressive.

>He calls for this product to be urgently blocked in Ukraine.

if you see these two, report them to the authorities, they might be exposing uncontrollable, toxic and aggressive content to children.
As in opposition to nazism.

>Politico: EU may transfer frozen Russian assets to Ukraine using promissory notes.

>European Commission representatives have proposed exchanging cash deposits for bonds, the payment of which will be guaranteed by EU countries.

I am fucking tired of hearing these threats. do it already, so states will never have their deposits in your stupid banks.

Meanwhile, in the UK.
>"While Netrebko sings, Ukraine bleeds"
>Ukrainians protest against opera singer Anna Netrebko's performance.

>>2480828
so i assume euroleague therefore awarded the match to ukraine?

>>2480863
The ukrainians didn't play, so the Belarus team simply went to the beach, played alone and scored some points. Because Belarussians are not scoundrels, they simply scored 3 points on an empty beach.
kek, obviously not, the league simple awarded a win score, a walkover score

>>2480861
>Neutrality kills
It's this entitlement that always rubs me the wrong way when it seems like this is the attitude of every Ukrainian who has left their country. That somehow everyone is more responsible for saving Ukraine than themselves when they chose to leave instead of contributing to key roles during a time of conflict, like I'm sure whatever number of nurses there are in military hospitals in Ukraine, they'll always need more.

>In Ternopol, TCC employees detained a courier from the Glovo ready-to-eat food delivery service, spraying him with pepper spray.

>>2480882
deep down they believe they are doing the same proactive action that the people on the front are doing. somehow it justifies their existence.

>Ukrainian stand-up comedian Kirill Ganin called the men who drowned in the border river Tisza while fleeing Ukraine idiots.

>Ganin called on men to take responsibility and not be afraid to die in war.

>He himself does not serve in the army.

welp, nazi comedian. For referenced, even the lib rag mag the Economist coined the Tisza river "The River of Death" because of how many dead ukrainians have been found trying to cross the river, running from the war, by dozens, ALREADY IN 2024

https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/05/29/ukraines-desperate-draft-dodgers-drown-in-the-river-of-death

forgot the video

Is Ukraine alright?

>This war will be won in mere weeks via economic warfare and Russia will cease to exist
If they revert back through time any sooner then we're going to be back to
<Russia is going to invade any day now!

First act:
>A young Ukrainian can't hold back his emotions after he finally managed to enter Poland.
Second act:
>Ukrainian patriot is having a blast in Poland. Supporting his country with a glass in hand.

>>2480909
any further*

>Ukraine has allocated land to the German defense concern Rheinmetall for the construction of an ammunition manufacturing plant, Ukrainian Defense Minister Shmygal said.
that means is already in construction, and possibly near to be completed.

welp, that's all for today, and for this thread.

>>2480917
Just like the last time, Russia will wait until ~month before completion and then blow it up

>>2480917
>German ammo manufacturing plant on Ukrainian soil
LMAO, this is calling Putin a cuck irl.

>>2480921
I thought the last one was Ukrainian home-grown.
There was some American-ish electronics company named Flex that got banged up, tho.

>>2480921
yeah, lol, like the bayraktar industrial building. I bet that erdogan's son found it exhilarating.

>>2480924
It's a potemkin factory, if Rheinmetall actually had the capacity to produce more munitions by opening another complete working factory, they wouldn't be building it in Ukraine where it will obviously be targeted.

>>2480944
honestly, everything ukraine is been doing so far, points out to me that they are gambling at anything. like throwing everything to the wall to see if anything sticks. what I am traying to say is, I wouldn't be at all surprise if the factory is 100% real, with 100% real investment, and 100% capable of producing ammunition in the hope that Russia won't target it or it'll last enough to compensate the costs of logistics, at least.

>>2480944
The idea was originally floated a year or two ago when it didn't look like Putin had the balls to target foreign assets on Ukrainian territory. But as a result of Putin's ball transplant, that assessment has aged poorly, hence the lack of vigor in setting up this factory.
The new show is establishing such factories on NATO soil, as is being done in Denmark. This is more for PR than anything else, given that there's no meaningful difference between already existing factories on NATO soil and factories established that are dedicated to Ukraine.

>>2480915
pro zelenskyites in London want Zaluszny to take the fall, on maybe some really gullible reporter was fed a scoop by Kiev. We all know Ukrainians didn't blow the pipes.

>>2480963
I don't see how the Ukrainians could rope the Germans into something pointlessly suicidal, I think if it was a serious attempt to invest in another factory (bearing in mind shareholders are going to freak about investments into expanding capacity for a conflict few hope will last long enough to make a return on that investment), then it would either also be in Germany or perhaps just over the border in Poland to reduce the time for logistics (but even then the munitions aren't coming out of these factories in anywhere near the numbers it's suggested Ukraine requires, I don't think much is being held up by current logistics).

>>2480915
>Zaluzhny ignored Zelensky's order to stop the operation to blow up the Nord Streams in September 2022.
kek, this may actually be the same pro-Zaluzhny gang in London if we think about the Ukrainian mentality. For a Ukrainian, this could make Zaluzhny look like the better choice.

>>2480973
Honestly I think it's just the result of think tankists trying to come up with anyway they can "stealthily" insert NATO into Western Ukraine, whether that's
>They'll just be there as peacekeepers with Russia's embittered blessing for a willing coalition of B-list militaries
>They'll just be there as logistics troops to free up Ukrainian soldiers for the front
>They'll just be defence for a western munitions factory based in Ukraine
>They'll just be ensuring food security of Africa by overseeing food exports from Odessa
In spirit, it's the final example of crossing red-lines, in how do we do something Russia told us not to for the lulz/narrative/morale/assail our insecurities, but in a way that shouldn't really elicit a cataclysmic nuclear response that would ultimately harm Russia more than crossing the red line to the degree we will would?

>>2480978
>could rope the Germans into something pointlessly suicidal
not the first time the Germans commit seppuku.

>>2480999
However I don't think it will come to pass (again, I may be wrong) because Think Tanks appeal to politicians on the behalf of the MIC, but not necessarily the military itself. A Think Tank may be able to convince politicians that there is some kind of rhetorical loop-hole that will allow them to place NATO troops openly in Western Ukraine without that being an act of war and thus any attack by Russia is unwarranted and therefore unlikely, but I believe the military has its rules of engagement, even if NATO only has "logistical troops" in Ukraine but Russia blows up a logistics hub full of them including civilian contractors, the retaliation to that is already somewhat pre-determined.

>>2480747
>The question is, is this just more "winning too slowly" tripe that will age poorly, or is it narrative preparation because Putin is in fact going to stop with 2-4 oblasts and leave the Zelensky government in power? The former I can laugh off, the latter I cannot.
I don't know if that question has an answer. We'd have to ask Putin. What are Russia's victory conditions? How has Russia defined victory?

Ukraine would love to retake Donbass and Crimea, but nobody outside of the most schizo NAFO posters (who don't matter) believe that is going to happen, because Ukraine just doesn't have the men and weapons and willpower to pull that off unless there was some Deus Ex Machina intervention like Moscow getting hit by a freak asteroid. They can't do it. "Victory" is always relative to political aims or is defined politically. It's not a strictly military thing, and it's also contingent because the situation is always evolving. So what they've done is redefine their victory conditions as survival of the Ukrainian government and holding as much territory as possible.

>>2481025
As I've mentioned previously, any anxiety that this conflict ends with Ukraine the victor and fresh as a daisy is almost certainly a result of the complete media blackout in the west about the effect this conflict has on Ukraine, all we're *allowed* know about the frequent nights of hundreds of drone strikes against Ukraine is the targets are all civilian and we're *allowed* to see the results only when they imply the target was indeed civilian and we're assured that Russia is unsuccessful at even that because there's always minimal reported civilian casualties that prove 99% (or 110% some days) of Russia's drones are failing to hit their civilian targets, attention is completely directed away from even entertaining the idea that the targets might not be civilian after all and that's why casualties are low and there aren't 1000s of photos of craters caused by downed and ineffectual Russian drones.. because there aren't any.

Kellogg and the Ukrainian military is just directing attention towards the seemingly immovable front as indicative of Russia's suffering, but then the Ukrainians have the considerably more aggressive military in this conflict with its military goals being expressly territorial based (i.e only 1991 borders counts as victory and nothing less, to now considering any amount of territory to be worth meatgrinding for) compared to Russia's more open ended goals. Like Russia retracted from Kiev and regrouped in the East as soon as it was obvious Ukraine wanted to do this the hard way, while Ukraine is institutionally incapable of cutting their losses with villages. Attention directed that way, not the way Kellogg wants, begs the question of who is likely losing more retain this "stalemate"?

I suppose the real question is, why aren't Russia playing the same propaganda game? Why aren't Russia providing lists of its targets and photographic evidence of their destruction in these constant drone attacks? Why are they letting Ukraine direct attention away from 800+ drones striking largely with impunity with flashy imagery of a drone hitting an oil facility with a claim that this is destroying Russia. The latter is certainly adding to the morale of Ukrainians and NAFOids as is the lack of the former.

I don't buy the narrative that Russia is tricking Ukrainians into a false sense of security so the war goes on for the longer, because that runs counter to their "gloves being on".

The only thing I can guess is that they don't want to betray how good their intel actually is, I'd imagine logistics, stockpiles, drone production by now has been mostly driven underground and information likely comes from moles, essentially. Perhaps out of 800 drones, around half of them are intentionally targeted towards a building they know from intel are relevant, but perhaps the rest are directed at nothing of importance implying bad intel to throw the SBU off the trail of who is letting information out.

What do we think thread?

>>2480917
Thank you, something related to war for once beyond the bots