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>>2507380Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Mandatory race mixing
1. Solves racism
2. Solves loneliness epidemic
3. Solves birth rates
Mandatory too much? Highly incentivized race mixing programs. 250k a per mixed baby you have.
>>2508919I just want an asian girlfriend and will support any form of government that gives me one.
honkoid status?
>>2508919i think paraguay under francia actually did this lol but i might be remembering wrong
>>2508919You can’t race mix out of racism. The premise to begin with is flawed. Racists don’t particularly care too much about anything besides surface level details. Someone being white isn’t determined by objective facts and data, it’s determined by how the white man feels that day.
>>2508922if a government gives you a "girlfriend" that's a sex slave. you are asking for a "comfort woman"
ICE issuing Israel-level lies about the people it is beating and shooting in Chicago. Videos exists from someone’s dashcam of the woman they shot and instead of “being boxed in and rammed by ten cars” they are sitting in traffic in a construction zone and then they start ramming all the cars.
>>2508929No? Why can't it be consensual government matchmaking and subsidies/benefits to encourage starting families?
>>2508933The government isn’t giving you a girlfriend then. It’s setting you up with one.
>>2508938How is that different? I don't want to enslave a woman.
>>2508937https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/comments/1nyaj0c/ice_ramming_a_civilian_car_then_shooting_them/Also, the fire department says that they found the shot woman bleeding on the sidewalk and took her to the hospital, not that she drove herself.
I think it’s also probable it will come out she did not have a firearm in her vehicle.
>>2508939Giving implies possession of. Setting up or even getting implies it will help you find one.
>>2508925Francia did promote race mixing but mainly he wanted to prevent Spaniards and whites in general from just breeding with each other. He wanted to keep them from monopolizing power in the country.
>>2508945They're depleting the word terrorist so fast bro, theyre doing all this insane fascism while the entire economy is walking the deadliest tight rope and could collapse horribly at any given moment
>>2508919it doesn't solve racism
>t.latinx >>2508945here comes the burger reich (formal)?
Who the fuck is matt morse and why does youtube keep recommending him and chuds like him to me
>>2508932I wish antifa was real and I wish they would riot hod damn it
>>2508943i don't think that worked very well looking at a list of recent paraguayan presidents
>>2508962Yeah, he’s been in my feed as well. Kinda weird.
>>2508964i mean i think they lost like half their population in the war of the triple alliance
>>2508967>>2508964also its not like the natives there were especially dark skinned to begin with + yes paraguay since then has mostly been standard comprador deal. idk why im so sincerely talking about obligatory racemixing policy meme rn
>>2508966I use newpipe and since they switched to live feeds it's all rightoid lunatics all the time. The top of the feed is always some hysterical rightoid shrieking about antifa, leftists disrespecting charlie kirk, or putin launching nuclear attacks on the US.
Ice and/or the army is going to big cities and people have been shot+killed and had their homes raided with helicopter drops? WTF is going on today in teh USA?
>>2508945why is there no west coast independence movement
>>2508971Might be the algorithm re-associating live streams with matt morse then
>>2508973https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_movementCalifornia has had various secession/independence movements but it's almost always the NIMBY's and rednecks pushing for it.
Personally I think secession is off the table unless multiple regions do it simultaneously. The United States simply won't allow a new state to pop up on its borders that threatens its geographic security.
>>2508981we need a government of failure to balkanize the burger reich
>>2508980you are a passive spectator, I suggest you go outside
>>2508979cuomo
new york will be under martial law and he'll pull assad numbers from all the rigging and voter suppression
>>2508990yeah, Zohran has indulged racist jewish fears about Palestinian liberation, and personally sucked the dicks of every NYPD officer. his only real use is unintentionally ripping the mask off electoral democracy when he is ratfucked
>>2508919I absolutely refuse to subsidize sexhaving.
>>2508996Not a bad decision at all, especially with climate change going on.
>>2508979If only Republicans fielded a bog-standard business-friendly Republican they would have made it, but they had to go with a semi-crank. This is Zohran's time to shine.
>>2508996it would be a tax on chads. we tax condoms and birth control and use it to fund incel matchmaking services.
>>2509003That's Andrew Cuomo. Unfortunately they all have to be Zionist cucks as well otherwise that would be the sensible choice.
I miss Iron Felix. His posts sometimes were insightful although provocative
>>2509008no, they werent.
>>2508981I think it's time we hold working families accountable.
>>2509015well we know he's in portland so it could also be that.
>>2509026iron felix is currently in the streets fighting against ICE tyranny and we're sitting here making fun of him on a dying imageboard
>>2509030
>>2509031
reminder that felix lives in portland. nothing wrong with living in portland for anybody else, just remember that and check whats happening in portland whenevr he posts about how anyone who doesnt immediately throw their body at the cops guns is a cracker coward fascist
>>2509031
felix do you carry a gun at protests or how do you expect to defeat the pigs without one?
>>2509053conservatives about to overthrow the gay cake thing from a decade ago
>>2508919You amerilards and your pathologicial racial fixations and fetishes. Truly cringe and bizarre.
>>2508922Noone is "giving" you a gf brah
>>2509058I deserve one though. Why would I die for communism if I can't have a gf?
>>2509053oh yeah. remember charlie kirk?
>>2509059>why would I die for communismyou wouldn't
>if I can't have a gfyou clearly care about getting a state mandated comfort woman more than communism, and if you were rewarded this treat, you would want to die even less
>>2509057don't lump me in with that freak (or the other 342 million am*ricans)
>>2509061You know nothing about me. I don't want a comfort woman I want someone I can love that will love me back. Why do people assume so much negativity on the part of lonely dudes?
>>2508947Words destroyed by amerilards
1 Communist
2 Socialist
3 Racist
4 Fascist
5 Nazi
>>2509059Go away
>>2509062Go on….shoo
>>2509062Fucking clown, lmaooo.
>>2508971>putin launching nuclear attacks on the US.If only
>>2509062Also willing to bet you're not even an incel but rather a regular ole sex-haver larping out his sick fantasies.
>>2508981Based and maupin pilled
>>2509065>>2509066>>2509068Gotta admit I've never been as tempted to become an angry right-wing incel chud as I am right now over my comrades belittling me.
>>2509071nah I'm a 100% khhv but I'm not the typical /r9k/ type that wants to hurt women so I feel out of place on 4chan but also on here because I guess sexhaving is required on the Left.
>>2509074would you accept a rental femboy instead
>>2509008>I miss Iron FelixQRD
>>2509074>I've never been as tempted to become an angry right-wing incel chud you already are one. if you're such a pushover that you "become" reactionary at the slightest provocation maybe you were just reactionary all along
obviously anyone wanting a state mandated gf is reactionary
>sexhaving is required on the Left.no it isn't
>>2509045
> accomplish nothing
Which is what you're doing now
>>2509079>you already are one. if you're such a pushover that you "become" reactionary at the slightest provocation maybe you were just reactionary all along you just described pretty much every single person on planet earth. humans are inherently reactionary and if you spit on them they will vote for fascists just to get back at you even if it hurts them in the long run. optics matters and being a dick to people who aren't your enemy can come back to haunt you even if it makes you feel badass in the present. Democrats are learning this rn with how much they alienated every demographic that isn't a wealthy white woman working in HR and now everyone wants to see them fail.
>>2509081SR left adventurist or fed bait, call it. peep the flag btw
>>2509074No matter what group your in if you're an adult male virgin you will be mocked. You will be seen as a failed adult and most likely you are. I don't think there's really a political to any of that and people will be people no matter the ideology unfortunately.
>>2509087Option 3: the objective truth
>>2509088>I don't think there's really a political to any of that and people will be people no matter the ideology unfortunately.There has to be a political element to it because male virginity is spiking in recent years and is primarily focused around the imperial core and its colonies. Something about liberal capitalism causes men to retreat from society.
>>2509074you hate the autonomy of women and others
>>2509094I never said this and stated in a previous post that it should be entirely voluntary again you're just making shit up.
>>2509092I meant to say a political solution. But yeah I think there is a greater political or economical element involved. Although sometimes I think it's partially genetic or just bad luck.
>>2509098>Although sometimes I think it's partially genetic or just bad luck.Perhaps we need to breed more based socialist chads that the ladies find attractive
>>2509098I don't think it's really genetic or bad luck. In fact inceldom is something you'd expect to be filtered out by genetics. The rise in male loneliness is pretty much entirely societal and at least partially due to a failure of society to give men a role beyond being a provider in a society where men are increasingly unable to provide.
Like, when women out-earn men at this point it's impossible to also maintain the romantic standard that the man has to provide for his wife. Women aren't changing their romantic taste to fit a more egalitarian concept of masculinity and men are unwilling to "put themselves out there" if they think women might reject them for being failsons(which they will). Capitalism breeds hyper-competitiveness in everything, and romance is no exception. The Left should be more active in discussing this, instead of seething that incels "want to take away women's autonomy" when most of them just want a normal romance.
>>2509086>you just described pretty much every single person on planet earth.no i described you, and you are now projecting yourself onto all of humanity to shield yourself from criticism
>humans are inherently reactionarymuh human nature
> and if you spit on them they will vote for fascists just to get back at you even if it hurts them in the long run<fascism<vote> optics matters and being a dick to people who aren't your enemy can come back to haunt you even if it makes you feel badass in the presentlook at all the philosophy you're doing because you got made fun of for announcing your desire to get a state mandated comfort woman (who is programmed to love you)
>Democrats are learning this rn with how much they alienated every demographic that isn't a wealthy white woman working in HR and now everyone wants to see them fail.Democrats are reactionary
>>2509113why are you so mad at me dude all I want is a girlfriend is this what they call tsundere?
>>2509109>"want to take away women's autonomy" Why do amerilard leftists (crypto-radlibs) view women's deeper integration and assimilation into the capitalist system as a good or progressive development?
>>2509115>all I want is a girlfriend1 Go to gym
2 Quit whinging
3 Care less
Desperation is a major gf repellant
>>2509116t. historical materialism denier
<capitalism was not a progressive force over feudalism >>2509122Protip: the feudalist stage is over theorylet
>>2509124doesn't excuse the fact that you still deny the progressive forces at play
right now>women's deeper integration and assimilation into the capitalist system as a good or progressive developmentyes, it is progressive over the previous state of things
>>2509115quit being a bitchmade coward because you are genuinely repulsive, not only to women but to men as well
>>2509127>women being dependent on and slaving for porky instead of engaging in social relations with their family and community is a good thingLol. Lmao.
>>2509132>Muh huge gaping strawmanSad
>>2509133that's literally what you're saying
>>2509134No. No it isn't.
>>2509132I don't understand how women becoming wageslaves is considered progressive? Like it literally only benefits porky? How do women benefit here?
Ok, now it's just obvious this guy is just a shitposting troll fishing for (You)s. He couldn't help but play his hand all out and make himself out into a caricature beyond parody. Just ignore his dumb ass and talk about something else.
>>2509115i will be your gf if you destroy the empire
>>2509148you know what, deal. thats exactly the kinda motivation i need to get off my ass and do some praxis.
>>2509151>family is baaad mmmkaySad. Another victim of the capitalist destruction of non-commodified social and kin relations
>>2509121>1 Go to gym1 have an actual productive prole job
>>2509155>you're a reactionary if you don't want people slaving for porky instead of engaging in social relations with family and communityKek
>>2509129First shit (patriarchal) take from new 'stache poster
>>2509158honestly every minute spent at the gym instead of on here is good for you. I should start going again.
>>2509160I'm sorry to disappoint you comrade.
>>2509162No need for gym.
>>2509167repetitive manual labor is injurious because it is done on porky's pace and not your own. it results in strain injuries. it's not the same as exercise which is controlled and is done at your pace with your safety in mind.
>>2509157It's really interesting how China manages to promote family values and Communism simultaneously while the West completely rejects any notion of the family as having any significance at all even though all evidence points to family being the #1 predictor of a child's ability to succeed in life.
Then again China also has a huge male loneliness epidemic so I don't think it makes a difference if you're living under a market economy anyway.
>>2509164>>What is Engels?!Lol
>>2509165>I'm just posing questions arbitrarily guiseLmao, even
>>2509167You fit brah? You a brocialist chad via labour?
>>2509169there is a Confucian revival in China despite the GPCR targeting it because Confucianism serves as a semi-secular conservative religion of filial piety and civic duty. This is useful if you've already had a revolution and are trying to maintain your grip on power.
>>2509160not his first tbh, surprised how his grotesquely low-effort posting is still tolerated
>>2509169>family valuesempty signifier tbh, could mean anything from reactionary "kinder kuche kirche" to "it's nice to spend time with your children and listen to them"
>>2509169> China manages to promote family values and Communism simultaneouslyCorrect
>Then again China also has a huge male loneliness epidemic Mainly caused by the 1 child policy which skewed the sex ratios in China
>>2509173>his grotesquely low-effort Labour fetishism. Pathetic.
>is still tolerated>passive aggressive requests to cancelLow T
>I need specific linguistic definitions of non-comodified kin relations or I will insinuate reactionary impulses arbitrarily because reasonsLmfao
>>2509174>Mainly caused by the 1 child policy which skewed the sex ratios in ChinaNot at all true. It's mainly caused by the pressure to succeed and Chinese women just not being willing to sacrifice earning potential to be a housewife unless their husband is successful himself. Pretty much exactly the same as the West.
One Child Policy didn't actually result in a decline in female babies. It just resulted in a lot of unregistered female children suddenly popping up the moment they started applying for university and got a government ID.
>>2509173>empty signifier tbh, could mean anything from reactionary "kinder kuche kirche" to "it's nice to spend time with your children and listen to them"Sure I guess, I don't think any particular family values are important beyond the idea of promoting a family unit, any kind of family unit, for children to give them a stable home life. I don't care if its two gay dudes or two lesbians or an unmarried couple but people should have kids and they should live under the same roof and they should give children a nurturing environment to thrive and western individualism has lost sight of the fact humans need socialization and companionship and aren't automatons.
>>2509176>Not at all true.Incorrect
>One Child Policy didn't actually result in a decline in female babiesYes it did
>>2509171>I'm just posing questions arbitrarily guiseJ posed no questions. I posted a passage from Engels without commentary. If you would like my commentary (as a person with a family) it is this: Family is increasingly difficult to maintain in a hyper-capitalist hyper-individualist alienated imperialist society that elevates sociopathy, like the USA. To the extent that people have functional families at all, it is usually because they have (at the very least) petty bourgeois property or some kind of religious superstructure like a church community to fall back on. But capitalism is, was, and will continue to destroy these things, just as Marx and Engels said. And like Engels says, only reactionary socialists try to restore patriarchal and feudal relations, because it is impossible.
As someone with a family, I noticed that I had fewer children than my parents, and my parents had fewer than their parents, and so on. In the imperial core you see low fertility rates due to a lot of things: Abortion, Birth Control, Contraceptives, Sex Education, Short Relationships, Decline in Marriage, Increased Divorce Rates, but also the constant pressure to give everything to your "career" if you're petty bourgeois, or to spend your whole life slaving for subsistence wages if you're a prole. When people do have kids, they have fewer, and treat them more like an individual. Better to make one person who "makes it" than to make several who do not. Better to make one kid and give them a good life than to make 10 with bad lives. We no longer live in Peasant times where everyone grows up working on a farm and it was normal for a woman to give birth to 5-10 children without anesthesia, potentially dying in childbirth. We live in different times. Women understandably don't want to go back to those times even though capitalism is also bad in a completely different way. I want what's best for my family but I also see family, at least the family in its current form, as a sort of historically contingent thing that might go away eventually under socialism or communism. Make sense?
>>2508945I support the death penalty because Stephen Miller is still alive.
>>2509180>Family is increasingly difficult to maintain in a hyper-capitalist hyper-individualist alienated imperialist society that elevates sociopathy, like the USA. Correct
>But capitalism is, was, and will continue to destroy these things, just as Marx and Engels saidCorrect
>only reactionary socialists try to restore patriarchal and feudal relationsNot all pre capitalist non-commodified kin/social relations were patriarchal and feudal
>a woman to give birth to 5-10 children without anesthesiaNoone is suggesting that - least of all me
>I also see family, at least the family in its current form, as a sort of historically contingent thing that might go away eventually under socialism or communism. Make sense?No
Family is a vital part of being human and socialising new humans regardless of the economic system
>>2509183>insults people and hints at canceling them for no apparent reason>reeeeeee how dare you insult me!Holy fucking kek.
>i would argue it's rather unproductive to only campaign for family value promotionNoone was suggesting that retardo
>>2509187now you're just making shit up
>>2509185>Family is a vital part of being human and socialising new humans regardless of the economic systemthat's why I clarified
<at least the family in its current formBut I disagree that family is a "vital part of being a human being" rather than being historically contingent. Humans have been around for 200,000 years, more if you count hominids, and the family is a much more recent social innovation. Note I do not treat the family as the same thing as the tribe or the clan. A person might for example feel more kinship with their unrelated political comrades than with their own blood-ties.
What do Marx and Engels say about the origin of the family?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
>Here we see that animal societies are, after all, of some value for drawing conclusions about human societies; but the value is only negative. So far as our evidence goes, the higher vertebrates know only two forms of family – polygyny or separate couples; each form allows only one adult male, only one husband. The jealousy of the male, which both consolidates and isolates the family, sets the animal family in opposition to the herd. The jealousy of the males prevents the herd, the higher social form, from coming into existence, or weakens its cohesion, or breaks it up during the mating period; at best, it attests its development. This alone is sufficient proof that animal families and primitive human society are incompatible, and that when primitive men were working their way up from the animal creation, they either had no family at all or a form that does not occur among animals. In small numbers, an animal so defenseless as evolving man might struggle along even in conditions of isolation, with no higher social grouping than the single male and female pair, such as Westermarck, following the reports of hunters, attributes to the gorillas and the chimpanzees. For man's development beyond the level of the animals, for the achievement of the greatest advance nature can show, something more was needed: the power of defense lacking to the individual had to be made good by the united strength and co-operation of the herd. To explain the transition to humanity from conditions such as those in which the anthropoid apes live today would be quite impossible; it looks much more as if these apes had strayed off the line of evolution and were gradually dying out or at least degenerating. That alone is sufficient ground for rejecting all attempts based on parallels drawn between forms of family and those of primitive man. Mutual toleration among the adult males, freedom from jealousy, was the first condition for the formation of those larger, permanent groups in which alone animals could become men. And what, in fact, do we find to be the oldest and most primitive form of family whose historical existence we can indisputably prove and which in one or two parts of the world we can still study today? Group marriage, the form of family in which whole groups of men and whole groups of women mutually possess one another, and which leaves little room for jealousy. And at a later stage of development we find the exceptional form of polyandry, which positively revolts every jealous instinct and is therefore unknown among animals. But as all known forms of group marriage are accompanied by such peculiarly complicated regulations that they necessarily point to earlier and simpler forms of sexual relations, and therefore in the last resort to a period of promiscuous intercourse corresponding to the transition from the animal to the human, the references to animal marriages only bring us back to the very point from which we were to be led away for good and all. >>2509194….Marx…. endorses….. treatlerism….
>>2509172>filial piety and civic dutyI was thinking about how we would organize unpleasant labor under communism and this is the best thing that comes to mind short of doing voluntarily labour because of your love to our species.
>>2509192>family is a much more recent social innovationComplete nonsense
>when primitive men were working their way up from the animal creation, they either had no family at all or a form that does not occur among animals. Were they there? What evidence do they cite? This is just assertion based on speculation.
>>2509199Read the Communist Manifesto you degenerate liberalist.
>>2509200No, you're getting actual black hundreds organized
by the state and not
for the state. Buckle up buckaroo, 1880s are so back
>>2509196>If I remove my flag I can appear to double the consensus in my transparently dishonest attempts at consensus manipulationSo so sad. You suffer from an authoritarian personality born of an infantile disorder
>>2509204projecting big huh?
>>2509202Marx was wrong on certain issues especially primitive anthropology.
>>2509205>no…no you!Lmao.
>>2509199>Were they there?Anon… come on. Is that also what you say when people talk about the fossil record or the cosmic microwave background?
>What evidence do they cite? anthropology at the time which was admittedly a way less developed field than it is now. Nonetheless, a lot progress was being made at the time. Keep in mind, again, I am talking about the idea of a cosanguinous family. A small unit living under a single household tied by blood. Not the more vague idea of a "community" or a "tribe." Humans even when hunter gatherers traveled in groups, but the relations of these groups were more fluid and varied, and the idea of a standardized patriarchal family came much later. Am I making sense?
>>2509206>Marx was wrong on certain issues especially primitive anthropology.Please elaborate, I'm interested.
>>2509208>Is that also what you say when people talk about the fossil record or the cosmic microwave background?Both of those are supported by evidence
>anthropology at the time which was admittedly a way less developed field than it is now.Precisely
> Am I making sense?Yes but my point stands. Family is essential - whether in nuclear or, better yet, extended forms - for a healthy society of well adjusted people
>>2509202Not even. That retard needs to read Stalin.
>but anon they're trollingand I'm having fun too. Go to ismail if you want quality discussion.
>>2509210If true then I'm sorry
>>2509211>no…no you!>>2509212Modern developments in anthropology prove these assertions to be incorrect
What I'm saying is, polygamy is real communism.
>>2509216Stalin was a big supporter of the family and "family values"
>>2509221Especially her own family.
>>2509219>>2509220>resorting to false flagging noSooo so dad. Smh.
Sad*
Patriarchal freudian undergarment
>>2509224Not everything in the USApol thread is a false flag glow op. Take your meds
>>2509218>Modern developments in anthropology prove these assertions to be incorrectNo I'm asking for you to elaborate on what specifically Marx was wrong about and why. Just the idea that there was no family unit in hunter gatherer society, or is there more to it that he was wrong about?
>>2509230>No I'm asking for you to elaborate on what specifically Marx was wrong aboutThe idea that there was no family unit in hunter gatherer society
>>2509213>Both of those are supported by evidenceyes of course, but a person could easily say "were you there?" as a counter. So it was a weak counter argument to say that in response to Marx/Engels on anthropology (they were going by what was known at the time).
>Family is essential - whether in nuclear or, better yet, extended forms - for a healthy society of well adjusted peopleOK so it's clear that we're having a language thing here. By family you mean something much wider than what I was talking about. We probably don't even disagree. I was more talking about the form of the family that arrives with class society.
>>2509171>You a brocialist chad via labour?Yup. I burn 3k calories via labour every day.
>>2509232> (they were going by what was known at the time).Subsequently shown to be wrong. That's all I'm saying.
>I was more talking about the form of the family that arrives with class society.Fair enough. But SOME midwits conflate ALL form of family with capitalist oppression eg radlibs and bourg pomo feminists
>>2509233Nice
>>2509234>NiceYes, and no. I'm willing to burn twice as much if we were building socialism with my calories. This, now, is a necessity for survival.
>>2509235Our day shall come comrade.
>>2509124>the feudalist stage is overIf that were true people wouldn't hand over 1/3 of their income to something called a landlord.
>>2509249Modern landlordism is capitalist in nature - not feudal - you utter theorycel imbecile.
>>2509116> amerilard leftists (crypto-radlibs) view women's deeper integration and assimilation into the capitalist system as a good or progressive development?because it is?
>>2509263>because it is?Incorrect
>Subsuming more people into capitalist exploitation is good guiseNo
>>2509109>women out-earn men at this pointI've yet to see a statistics report where this is the general case and I hereby challenge you to link me one
Spoiler:
it's yet another incel phantasm >>2509109>women out-earn men at this pointThat's not true at all, women earn like 80% of what men earn for the same work.
>>2509288explain why rather than just dodging it
>>2509294hero, elect this man now
>>2509298As capitalism devolves into neofeudal managerialism (an unforeseen development), accelerationism of capitalism will not hasten the journey towards socialism but quite the contrary.
>>2509259Capitalism turns into feudalism when there are no new territories to conquer. Companies eliminate all of their competition and instead of selling commodities to consumers for profit they hold monopolistic control over industries and charge tenants for access. You already see this happening in the tech sector. People don't own movies or books or TV shows or videogames anymore, instead they subscribe to a service that owns the digital rights to all of the movies/books/games/etc. in the world and they pay rent to access them.
>>2509309This is neofeudal managerialism and qualitatively different to feudalism by virtually every metric except a very shallow 2D surface level one
>>2509307>neofeudal managerialism I don't buy this Djilas inspired Varoufakis meme, comrade.
t. ML
>>2509327Peak material analysis.
>>2509328Your loss comrade.
>>2509329Yes. Late stage capitalism aka neofeudal managerialism
>>2509301Nah, he pussied out and apologized. Should have doubled down.
>>2509330>Your loss comrade.Not "my loss…" It doesn't hold up theoretically. It's YOUR loss for buying into the next fashionable nonsense.
t. ML
I know you guys love meaningless semantical arguments but maybe we can agree that "late-stage capitalism" and "neo-feudalism" are really the same thing? Maybe the key takeaway here is that capitalism is not a sustainable economic model; the free market brings about its own destruction by eliminating competition and consumer choice.
>>2509351it's just some rebranding of Marxism to make it digestible for the libs.
>>2509351>analysis with a 75 year provenance>the next fashionable nonsenseKek
>>2509356Agreed. But counter to "classical" marxism, devolution into late stage capitalism/neofeudalism is a move away from socialism - not towards it.
Saw an interview with Lee Kuan Yew the other day.
He said China beats India because China split off its cities into their own governing bodies. For instance Chongqing its own thing rather than part of Sichuan whereas Bangalore is part of Karnataka.
I think this is an interesting idea for the US. What if we split off any city greater than ~1 or 2 million from its state and let it be its own state?
>>2509369thats retarded, they beat india because they have a communist party running things, planning the economy and having a long term strategy based on marxist analysis, not because of administrative details
>>2509351>It doesn't hold up theoreticallywhy though. I think he makes some great points, although I havent yet read his book
>>2509373how reductive but what else could I expect from a burgerbrain
>>2509373this. insane how everyone credits Chinese economic success ro everything besides socialism.
>>2509373Communism makes the administrative details happen.
>>2509383>pomo radlib race grifter shilling against iran/qatar in favour of genocidal zionist supremacistsMy shock
>>2509331Neofeudalism is here but it's a new mode of production as there are neither profits not markets. Yes I'm aware it's emergence is dependent on the capitalist framework it was born out of but it's reliant in the same way capitalism relied on the feudal structures in the industrial revolution
>>2509388I don't disagree with that.
>>2509294>Three people, two bullets. Gilbert, Hitler, and Pol Pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head.kek
>>2509373>>2509381it is socialism but the elephant in the room is that the other East Asian "capitalist democracies" also used state planning to become industrial powerhouses while burger economists do everything in their power to claim it was Anglo-style market fanaticism that made the Asians rich
>>2509393it's earlier than that, East Asia (due to Japan) followed the Imperial German model which would've become the dominant global capitalist model if not for their defeat in 1918
If women get paid less to preform the same labor compared to men, wouldn't a 100% female company be inherently more competitive than a 100% male company as porky can reinvest more into capital instead of wages?
who up chiefin their loud
>>2509400Kek
>>2509401This was tried in the UK with a publishing company. The company collapsed because of catfight girl drama.
>>2509397hell yeah brother, although maybe it's a silver lining that the angloburger model became dominant because it is extremely funny to see how AI development is treated in the US vs. China
What Marxism fails to understand is that socialism can only be implemented from the bottom-up, not from the top-down. The closest thing we have in the modern world to socialist societies are countries like Finland, Sweden, and Norway and they achieved this not by overthrowing their capitalist governments but by forming strong grassroots movements particularly labor unions which influence state policy directly through collective effort from the bottom-up, not through some central revolutionary vanguard. These countries have comparatively high levels of social equality and personal liberty compared to the rest of the world, whereas countries that tried to implement socialism by overthrowing the state? *fart noise*
>>2509410>it is extremely funny to see how AI development is treated in the US vs. ChinaHaven't really been following this. Plz elaborate comrade
>>2509412>Finland, Sweden, and NorwayNot socialist
Better than anglo/amerilard neoliberalism sure
But not socialism
>>2509418why do they on the one hand attempt to heavily militarise but the other wear the gayest baby-blue i ever seen? I don't get it?
>The police chief of broad view said he was verbally attacked by ICE and has never seen such bad treatment by the government towards law enforcement
speedrunning the national divorce 😈
>>2509417>>2509418PIG ON PIG VIOLENCE
>>2509414the tl;dr is that Silicon Valley is obsessed with building the "superintelligence" god and maximum generalist AI models due to a culture of venture capitalist degeneracy and hype where the one model will be able to do everything, whereas China is focused on practical applications of AI in specific areas and due to their relative lack of "compute" GPU processing power they've gotten much more creative in optimizing their model training
plus China already invests heavily in green energy and has a far more suitable energy grid for sustaining AI development while US AI companies have to literally destroy local communities to siphon off energy while the domestic US grid is deteriorating
>>2509426Splendid tldr and also quite hilarious. Ty comrade.
if you think about it, ice deploying to the superbowl is just like the dementors showing up at quidditch in the prisoner of azkaban
>>2509383It’s so fucked how libs will say the real problem is other countries pointing out that the U.S. kills babies. Bitch, the easy fix is don’t kill babies!
>>2509432It will happen and burgerreichers would still not get radicalized.
>>2509432You know what's really fucked is that multiple students get killed by lightning in that scene and at no point does it occur to the faculty to, oh I dont know, do something about the weather using MAGIC or something? Or failing that at least delaying the game for less inclement weather, but even that's impossible. Sure, you need a permission slip from your parents to go to the taffy shop but Quiddich? The less parents know the better I guess
>>2509432does that mean an ice agent is gonna try and kill one of the players
>>2509432I’m just glad they’re finally taking politics out of sports.
>>2509417cant start a fire without a spark
>>2509444nice trips but i thought it's because of Bad Bunny therefore a lot of Spanish-speaking illegals will for some reason risk everything to see a Superb Owl halftime show
is it just me or is the avg normie plugged more into politics and current events than they were 10 years ago? I see marvel movies in theaters cuz of family and it's trendy having politics in movies now, red hulk had resource competition with Japan being the bad guy and Superman had the israel allegory. Or am I just crazy
>>2509457can normy labourers even physically afford to go to a super bowl half time show?
>>2509465if they want to spend a full fifth of their yearly take home salary then sure lol. in the end it's just culture war messaging in a society that thinks politics is downstream from culture, so if MAGA won the election but somehow isn't able to unilaterally dictate mainstream culture then there has to be some nefarious force blocking this natural progression
>>2509468oops i meant wages not salary, i have inadvertently exposed how much of a white collar drone i am now
>>2509471>Texas>Florida<expandingmashing X to heavily doubt
>>2509473unfortunately it's true. companies are relocating south for tax breaks and cheaper labor benefiting from the population boom
>>2509462no, I think you are just more attune to it, at least the movies; people are more plugged in though, you are right about that.
>>2509475i'm sure that's happening but whether that's enough to offset the wider effects of a national economic crisis to the point where the state economy is actually expanding i am extremely doubtful of. on the other hand, fixating on making your state prosper at the expense of others through applying an imperialist zero-sum mindset but in their own country, especially the more "productive" blue states, gets two thumbs up from me
>>2509489I'm thinking the economic center of the US turns to the south and the conservatives refuse to finance the underpopulated and expensive northern democratic states leading to crisis and national divorce
>>2509485Critical support for anti-zionist representatives
>>2509444Just one? I mean given the demographics of the NFL they'll probably try for more than one.
They are bringing out the golf homunculus again lol
>>2509500Oh my god it’s exactly how toxic boomer couples argue
>>2509494tbh that just sounds like Southern plantation owners in the 1850's cooking up increasingly schizophrenic ways to maintain their power. the South simply doesn't have the infrastructure or geography or workforce to compete with the coasts. plus most of Wall St is all-in on AI and throwing massive amounts of capital at the California Bay Area resulting in a glut of capex among the Silicon Valley tech companies, and if any of that flows into the South it'll be primarily energy and resource extraction. there will be some reindustrialized parts but even those parts will rely more and more on robotics and even then it'll lag heavily behind China.
>>2509508>the South simply doesn't have the infrastructure or geography or workforce to compete with the coastsyes it does, especially since the eastern half of the USA is 80% of the pop while the western half is 20%
>Wall St is all-in on AI and throwing massive amounts of capital at the California Bay Area resulting in a glut of capex among the Silicon Valley tech companiesand yet California remains stagnant, why?
>>2509396>model which would've become the dominant global capitalist model if not for their defeat in 1918nah, USA did dirigisme too, simply when you're the hegemonic imperialist power, the finance porkies end up deciding everything and just optimize their profit
>>2509512>and yet California remains stagnant, why?Maybe because a lot of people with some money move out of state to states like Texas and the main reason the state grows is because of foreign immigration which is either much wealthier or much poorer than average. At the same time cost of living in particular rents and property values rise to unimaginable levels that a large chunk of the population can't afford. So it stifles economic growth. But not too badly since the state still produces enough to still stay stagnant at least for the moment.
>>25095172025 will be the first year in this nations history where the population actually decreases since immigration got cut off, so there's nothing sustaining the failing blue states like california anymore, and if all the rich people move out and take their capital with them, it just seems inevitable the economic focal point will be the south now
>>2509519Until real estate bubbles in Austin and Miami collapse, which they are in the process of doing
Who else wants to abandon mainstream society and go form some kind of autistic larp squatter commune and live like savages rather than continue suffering in the dying capitalist system?
>>2509473It's just GDP, man.
>>2509531What polls is he even talking about that have him at a 65% approval rate?
>>2509535Probably amongst Republicans
>>2509497These people look exactly how I thought they would
>>2509554this is schizo for so many reasons at once, idk where to start
>>2509515>My wife's pussy be stanky because it's her time of the month? You better believe that's an insurrection.It's not an in erection, that's fo sho
>>2509554I don’t like that
sometimes i like to cup a hot fart in my hands and smell it and get really sick
>>2509574Mods take a screenshot of this overlay their IP address and make it a banner
>>2509588Does that make Gary, Indiana the Gaza of lake Michigan
>>2509432you are talking like a 2010 lib.
2025 libs talk like this
>>2509383 >>2509554Critical support for Waukegan Hezbollah.
>>2509531>when they don't have trump to fight for them.OOF that must hurt in the ego of some rethuglicans.
>>2509383>Gaza? Critical Race Theory? Collage Campuses? This is 'cutters' fault.Barbarism is all it will ever be for these 'people'.
>>2509383reminder that this guy, Van Jones, cried tears of joy on air when Biden won and said "it's easier to be a parent today. it's easier to tell your kids that integrity counts."
apparently he also used to be a fake Maoist or something in college >>2509426>china uses AI in practical applications in specific material circumstances where it makes sense<burgers try to make a fantasy super intelligence that does everything everywhere all at once like total idealistsso $hilikkkon valley fapitalists have forgotten the most basic principle of capitalism, the division of labor, as laid out explicitly by adam smith? are they retarded.
>>2509605>are they retarded.yes, they got high on their own supply with the rise of neoliberalism and the end of the cold war, now they are literally marching for their own end.
>>2508944No, they will face justice eventually provided their crimes are well documented. The unconstitutional secret police were staffed by personnel who wouldn't pass a psych exam in the 20th century so it should be easy enough to document the inevitable. What is unhelpful are white protestors who don't get that maga wants agitprop and escalation and don't seem to understand or care that minorities suffer unseen casualties of the us vs them game. One example is the kid in pine bluff who was found hanged inside a shed that was padlocked from outside but the authorities ruled it a self inflicted homicide. Document everything, sure, but don't engage on their terms.
>>2509116Why are you unable to imagine an alternative to neoliberal feminism that isn't a RETVRN to the oppression of women of the past
>>2509612>maga wants agitprop and escalationuygha WE want agitprop and escalation. minorities already suffer unseen casualties, they have nothing to lose with the state being destabilized
>they will face justice eventually provided their crimes are well documented. alright we'll document everything first and then drag them out onto the street to be shot
>>2509573>Cuba>Kosovo>Iraq>Afghanistanimperialist collaborator every step of the way
<Barack Obama best president in historythe bar is very low
>>2509603>>apparently he also used to be a fake Maoist or something in collegeSo he was a maoist
>>2509622I don't know who "we" is. I was speaking from the point of view of the third way of peace. If nobody wants peace then what's the point? To be 'down for the struggle' with no desire for resolution seems self defeating to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzo_nuzsHFU >>2509628lol. Jason Unruhe approved
>>2509620>Muh massive gaping strawmanI am.
>>2509629Peace is a lie, there is only class struggle
Through class struggle we attain strength
Through strength we attain victory
Through victory we break the chains of class society
Communism will set us free
>>2509573he says a lot of based things
he says a lot of cringe things
he is a land of contrasts
>>2509383Same bs as comtrapoint’s take on gaza. The issue is not the dead babies, the issue is that they have to see the dead babies on social media.
Lenin warned about solipsism among the bourgeois flunkeys.
>>2509586Extremely based, keep up the pressure
>>2509634So 'peace thru strength' then? Where have I heard that b4?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDACorIaxNw >>2509629what do you mean by resolution? status quo? that's not acceptable
>>2509641Not status quo. Revolution doesn't need to be violent. Violence is and has been the status quo.
>>2509623Can you only listen to interviews with morally upstanding people you agree with?
Peak burger humanities student.
>>2509644the idea that you can change the status quo, that you can get the inhuman elite to give up their capital willingly, without the coercion or application of class violence, is an idealistic fantasy
>>2509623Anyone who sees Obama any better than Clinton and Biden is a moron.
>>2509650I'm sure the 1% would consider the first necessary step of increasing taxes on billionaires an act of 'violence', but violence in the physical sense only leads to more of the same. The economy is the people, not the casino on wall street. When the A1 bubble bursts the people will suffer for the casino's recklessness. What will unite people is suffering but the struggle for survival will take precedence over thoughts of vengeance or or petty violence. Without a comparable nuclear arsenal and Intel capabilities to the state, the only way to change it is from within.
>>2509655Women are generally more reactionary than men. Hetero Men are also generally simps towards women yet a certain amount of coercion is required to have a relationship with a woman. But I think women generally control a relationship unless the dude is some kind of violent ape.
>>2509655girlbosses have won….
>>2509655Pussy is supreme
>>2509665Looks delicious tbh
>>2509665>>2509667I don't think it was heated up either. This dude basically ate it straight out the cans
>>2509670Canned food is what i consider comfort food
>>2509656>What will unite people is suffering but the struggle for survival will take precedence over thoughts of vengeance or or petty violence.not true for any revolution ever
>>2509668Doesnt matter
Its a shitty zio-worshipping religious shithole anyway
>>2509640Hopefully not. I'm flying into PDX this November
>>2509676>everI'm afraid you've missed my point. I've given up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pebg998xgM Are we officially in the cool zone?
>>2509687for me cool zone means national ID cards
>>2509677well the context of the conversation is american zionists (both christian and jewish) saying the genocide in Gaza is just Qatar propaganda.
>>2509654he kinda was, with his flamboyant language and his promises of a better future. and yet, he fucked up badly.
it's like, the best "progressive" con-man that the US got, that promised to stop all going further right, and yet failed, and moved things further right.
>>2509691When the entire population is part of an "organized criminal conspiracy" against you then perhaps you're just really unpopular
>>2509691Stephen on Stephen violence
>>2509652The best president is the one that made real wages go up the most
I haven't heard from Jimmy Dore in ages, is he still doing a right-wing grift?
>>2509704The police support antifa because it makes it easier to arrest them when they are controlled. The 1984 hate week never ends
>>2509704> Are they just feeding him a steady drip of AI slop in the briefing room and telling him that's real and his baby brain just takes it as fact?if you haven't noticed, yes, his entire political outlook is whatever he watches on the news, and now his political outlook is whatever AI memes his team of broccoli haircut DOGE lads sends him
>>2509645>Peak burger humanities student.not a humanities student btw. idk why anons always have to throw in some unrelated remark about a group they're seething about.
>>2509709Can you imagine if the OG Nazis had to deal with this shit? Hitler would be watching AI generated videos of stormtrooper gigachads destroying buildings in Stalingrad with machine gun fire and would only realize that he hadn't already conquered Russia when he's informed in the Fuhrerbunker that Steiner's attack was actually AI
>>2509720they can't grasp that when they live under a oligarchy-plutocracy like the US is, all media is state-owned media, therefore EVERYTHING, is the narrative of the US empire as a state.
>>2509655it's against federal law to hire puerto ricans
>>2509471why are only republicuck states growing
>>2509736I have no proof of this but I would not be surprised if presidential administrations (not just Trump) at this late stage of American history show partisan economic preference to the development of state economies, in order to punish the disloyal, and reward the loyal.
>>2509736>>2509739MAGAs from California and NY are moving to Texas and Florida en masse because they're sick of living under "liberal tyranny" or whatever.
Separating states by their local economic activity is really just showing where wealth is moving from state to state. The green states aren't adding productivity really, they're just absorbing transplants from the red/yellow ones. Texas is "growing" because the tech industry is moving from Silicon Valley to Austin to avoid environmental regulations. When that bubble bursts Texas will of course want a bailout.
honkoid status?
>>2509640it's true, I'm afraid to go outside. there's gunshots and helicopters constantly, roving bands of antifa who will rape anyone on sight
>>2509745Civil War imminent, MAGA higher ups are demanding the President just start killing people in Chicago and Portland and it's only a matter of time before one trigger happy fuck slips up
>>2509736porky is old and wall street is cold, living in the south suits them
>>2509718Nostalgia and kitsch feature heavily in fascist thought. They're larpers, first and foremost, who don't live in anything resembling reality, but will resort to anything and everything to make the world conform to their fantasy. This is why they're underrepresented by nerds and gamers on the internet, not people who enjoy comics or video games, but people who make it their entire identity. Scratch a gamer and a fascist bleeds.
>>2509752It's real. They're probably gonna kill her or threaten her family to make her stop talking about the genocide.
>>2509752seems to be. there's a phot of her with a bloody nose in the sumud flotilla thread, as well as some video interviews with other activists who were jailed alongside her, beaten, made to drink toilet water, strip searched repeatedly, exposed to humid and cold environments to make them sick, etc.
>>2509757it's evident from the context that it was a typo
>>2509752If she was still a minor they would have raped her too.
>>2509760Yeah, but if I don't correct it I'll go insane.
>>2509764They genuinely believe no one will stop them and the fact that Tel Aviv isn't a crater is proving them right.
>>2509074>I've never been as tempted to become an angry right-wing incel chudbaby wants to cry?
get a job
>>2509769
Right because you're too important to do anything
>>2509769
felix is correct as usual
>>2509759>there's a phot of her with a bloody nose in the sumud flotilla threadI dont see it
So what's the end goal of all this national guard deployment and ICE raids? This shit is deeply unpopular and it's not getting anything done besides make people resent the Trump admin more and terrorizing families
>>2509777They're just baiting for liberals to "do something" so they can start mass arresting Democrats.
It's a bit weird how little the Republicans deviate from classic Fascism. It makes them predictable.
>>2509778Does this mean the Dems are in a catch 22? What would be the best thing for the Dems to do? Obviously the correct answer is kill the Republicans, but I wonder if they even have a calculus or if they're just all pulling an Ezra Klein and cowardly avoiding any friction for fear of persecution. They're scared shitless
Maybe their just all hoping Pritzker or Newsom will save us with their snarky tweets.
>>2509779Maybe the good guys need to learn the lesson that you have to get organized and fight your enemies if you want to win.
>>2509779I think the rest of the world is getting better while USA (and Israel) are getting worse. The USA is the best place to be a piece of shit, so it selects for and concentrates the entire globe's bastards into one place.
And the USA and Israel are getting backed into a corner over the next 10 years. And the more progressive states across the globe are gaining momentum in a multipolar future.
All that to say: everything looks hopeless when you only pay attention to the US.
>>2509784Europe is in a worse place than the US
>>2509790Being investigated as arson, apparently.
>>2509786Her fans kind of love it. I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t. It really is the same bullshit. I think it’s just the culture is turning on her at the moment whereas 10 years it was the hip subversive to critically appreciate pop music. And in particular, it was peak white woman. It’s still the same common denominator white millennial women music. And I’m not trying to be rude to Taylor I just think that is her specific genre. All her songs make constant allusions to imagery that is just white girl core. Like minority lit that refers to nainai’s homemade dumplings or whatever. That’s why I don’t love when people say she’s the monoculture. Her music is actually in a cultural niche, nobody should know wtf she’s talking about unless they are a 35 year old white woman.
>>2509788
If there are no existing groups out there then why not make one? Be the change you want to see in the world my guy
>>2509798Taylor Swift is UsaPol material
>>2509798america only exists on the internet
>>2509796All nothing burgers, especially compared to the USA. Plenty of positive things are happening across the world, ESPECIALLY the working class consciousness growing against the Israeli Apartheid state. Italy had a fucking general strike Friday just for the Flotilla for Christ's sake. Things aren't hopeless, is my point. If your argument is "we're fucked and there's no hope" you're just wrong plain and simple.
>>2509801Should Taylor Swift really be discussed on the same level as niche internet microcelebrities like Jimmy Dore or one of the vtubera who says the nword.
>>2509803Yes, or take it to
>>>/music/ so we can all dunk on it
>>2509803yeah it's all content anyway, what's the difference? the white house is a slop farm first and foremost
merge /isg/ and /usapol/
>>2509802europe needs to federate for the world to take it seriously. I have hope for the United States just not Europe lol
Come to think about there does seem something repressed or arrested about TS. When she got engaged her IG post had the teeth shatteringly cringe caption “your English teacher is marrying your gym teacher.” Which is bad enough, but Taylor Swifts whole thing is that her fans and her are largely the same age. It’s more along the lines of “dating a guy on the football team.” Just like very arrested development in the way it’s being acted out and how her audience is meant to project onto her.
Every time someone here says Europe is worse off than the USA, I laugh because pretty much every EU country has literal socialists in their national governments, with a much more educated general populace.
Every single metric puts the EU above the USA except GDP. It's such contrarian bullshit to deny this
>>2509811and when these socialists speak in their native tongue, how many of their fellow europeans can understand them?
>>2509809
Taylor Swift is a microcosm of the America psyche
>>2509811what about the "funding wars in the middle east" metric? between europe and the us combined i wouldnt know who has it the highest
>>2509808The world takes the EU seriously enough, especially compared the retardation we're currently displaying. The USA is a fucking JOKE on the world stage. Even our Republicans on hot mics are freaking out because of just how embarrassing this is.
And our governmental structure is completely fucked with no way to reverse this. The constitution is 200 years old absolute trash. No parliament, no emergency elections, two barely distinguishable fascist political parties.
I'm sorry but the USA is doooooogggggshiiiiittttt.
The EU doesn't need to federalize, because they'll leapfrog with the rest of the world pretty soon, by strengthening and consolidating power through the UN. Gustavo Petro proposing an actual armed UN force to stop the Israeli genocide is just one example of this inevitable and natural emergent process of an eventual real Global Government.
In my opinion, the UN is the single most progressive institution on Earth today. It's a miracle it exists
>muh dujeneraceeeee
Boring, get new material, etc
>>2509818>the UNyou're actually trolling
>>2509816Surprisingly good take.
>>2509723Winemoms are the nucleus of the proletariat
>>2509816This is why white supremacists don't fuck white women
>>2509777The end goal is to sustain the pointless, manufactured hateweek to create permenant state of social crisis which benefits all involved factions of bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie has created Hegelian feedback loop of gusano riots and crackdowns
>>2509777trump keeps saying he wants it done in every city
>>2509780Dem politicians are probably terrified of Trump rn since any random Dem or falseflagger can get them mass arrested by crashing out. Especially after the Kirk shit.
As far as regular Dem citizens the only correct response is to force the feds to keep overplaying their hand and wasting resources. When they send feds to Portland people should start protesting in LA, when they send feds to LA they should start doing shit in NYC or Chicago, etc. Keep them constantly reacting and spread thin so there's no opportunity to solidify their power.
>>2509816>taylorswift is a white girl 78 timesYeah i know i dont a 5min vid explaining me that
What next, ice cube is black?
>>2509814Sure whatever. You're finding things that make the EU bad. Still not AS bad as the USA. Which is my argument. They're definitely going to get *worse* over the next 5 to 10 years, but that's simply a result of:
Imperial decline -> methods of domestic governance that depended on said imperialism no longer work -> state weakens -> power vacuum -> anachronistic social systems try to compensate (religious extremism, nationalism, etc etc).
It's essentially a *temporary* dip in societal progress due to shifting and decaying neocolonial/imperial material flows.
So by that metric, the USA has far more imperial power to lose (and it is) so it therefore has far further to plummet as far as reaction. The EU already had their moment in the 20th century. Something that scale probably won't happen again. But US is another story. It is much more primed for catastrophic political failure than the EU
>>2509833
guerilla warfare means no direct engagement.
>>2509832>taylorswift is a white girl 78 timesthats not what she says at all
>>2509833
Never gonna happen
Historically people revolt violently when the status quo is already unbearable, when there is nothing to lose, i.e famines, already dying on the frontlines etc
Guerilla warfare is never happening outside the worst of the third world, even the ‘lower classes’ have too much to lose
>>2509837
why aren't you doing that then? it's fairly trivial to organize doxxing campaigns anonymously.
>>2509833
You say that ilas if it's easy. Sure, it would be dope if we *could* but what are the material and political requirements for that? You would FIRST need relative sovereignty wherever your headquarters is physically located, and you'd need freedom from surveillance as well as a critical mass of participants to self perpetuate in the face of inevitable attrition.
The only way that would be possible would be during a true dispute or secession of territory in a civil conflict in the first place. Which, buddy, we aren't there yet.
I respect your ride or die attitude, and no judgement, I have plenty of experience with this area of health, but I think you might be manic depressive and need to get on some stabilizers to think this type of stuff through a bit more clearly dawg lol.
Things need to be done at the correct speed and intensity or you'll never get to your destination.
>>2509844
>Because doxxing the agents accomplishes very little on it's own.
incorrect, making them fear reprisal from random strangers they harassed makes them think twice about their actions. you don't need an organized army.
>>2509839 (me)
The only way i see a change of order happening violently (junta, socialist revolution, coup detat etc) is if USA over-extends internationally, gets bogged in a long, costly war, which bleeds the empire militaristically abroad AND economically at home. Only then can a union of mutineering soldiers and fed-up workers be pushed to aim for overthrow of the current system. If that happens however, chances of a socialist revolution are zero because there is no established revolutionary party which will be ready to exploit that situation. A fascist chuddy groyper nightmare is more probable.
>>2509844
Still doesnt do that. Will just want to make them crack a little white twink's head even more. You're not the drug cartel. You are a little gay man who posts on Twitter and wears skinny jeans.
>>2509820Yeah the same institution that tried and hung the Nazis, has recently gone balls deep decrying Israel, is acting as a forum for the whole world to share their voice, and has plenty of crypto communists working in their staff (I grew up with a genius kid in public who was a commie and literally works AT the UN right now).
I'm sorry but if you think the UN is useless you're posting hasbara straight up
>>2509853
Mr obviously Manic and Need His Lithium, one question: when did that happen and how do the material conditions then and there differ from here and now?
>>2509854Lemme guess, a crypto-commie operates the elevator in the UN building?
>>2509853
It’s Giap and Kovpak when they do it.
It’s Jim Jones when you do it.
>>2509854United Nations law is literally set up to spark the next global conflict. Former Axis powers Germany Italy Bulgaria Hungary Romania and Finland are all designated Enemy States under UN law and should one of them militarize and become aggressive, anyone can attack or declare war on them without getting authorization from the security council. Its a worthless organization, almost as worthless as the EU, almost
>>2509856Where there's one, there's more. You're not refuting anything I say very well. Just posting bullshit snark one sentence at a time. You're a pessimistic drag on the left if you even are a leftist and not a contrarian loser
>>2509861The EU is far from worthless, it serves its function of vassalising the european states for the benefit of the American master wonderfully
It serves its russophobic and anti-communist purpose skillfully
>>2509862>>2509861Read you fucking midwit Jesus Christ
>A 1995 UN General Assembly resolution recognized that the enemy state clause had "become obsolete" and announced its intention to begin the process of amending the Charter as provided for in Article 108 of the UN Charter.[1] You are all such pessimistic retards it's insane. You might as well be glowies
>>2509865yeah, they announced their intention to abolish it, but if you keep reading adult Marxist, it hasn't happened yet because the amendment procedure at the UN is complicated
>>2509863does Israel get authorisation from the security council before killing the palestinians and occupying their land?
As long as the Un does not form a coalition of troops to actually fight the IDF, it is useless
The UN means somehing only when America wills it, e.g the korean war
>>2509866We just face reality as it is
You are a child who needs disney optimism
>>2509866you work for an institution that serves american interests and you think we glow?
>>2509867oh wow look here's another wiki page you can read instead of using what should be basic inference to understand how obsolete laws work
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desuetude >>2509869
>whats the difference
The absense of a vanguard of the proletariat
That is the great difference between schizophrenic random violence doomed to failure and an actual disciplined, strategic armed struggle
>>2509872does not apply in UN law, sorry. Japan and Russia haven't even signed a peace agreement from WW2 yet. It's time for you to wake up and smell the fucking roses
>>2509875
It is built by advanced elements (wihin the working class and/or in contact with the working class) who are willing to give up a life of comfort and dedicate everything to the struggle, something which for whatever reason has never materialised in the anglosphere
Maybe it’s genetic idk
>>2509810have you considered that that is supposed to be the appeal, and that the people who like it are well-aware of it, and that she is a performer?
>>2509870Yeah a lot of people experiencing clinical depression believe they see "reality" but it's objectively warped thinking.
You use this "pessimism" to point at everything that's even remotely progressive or moving in the right direction with the spirit of good will and faith and call it "liberal" because you're too afraid to suck it up and be an adult about politics. The world gets better one step at a time, and if you'd ever read Marx you would understand this.
You are just like Felix, paralysis of analysis, *waiting* forever for the time to finally be able to do something, when in reality every little bit counts.
Forever progressing, forever moving forward, forever using AND improving on current systems (as imperfect as they may be) to better humanity.
THAT is communism.
>>2509875
South africa had a tenth of the population humiliating the other nine tenths, damning them to poverty and backwardness
The situation is not comparable to the usa. While the poor have it rough in the usa, it cannot be compared to apartheid SA.
US politics are also masters in absorbing revolutionary elements. Think of Angela Davies after the black panther years for example
>>2509879
>the only vanguard party to fight (and win) a successful Marxist-Leninist armed struggle in the Anglosphere
>South Africa
>Not Cuba
>>2509879
South africa is NOT the anglosphere. Anglos are like 4% of the country. Slovo’s struggle was against the Afrikaner calvinists.
>>2509879
Buddy, I hate to be boring, but we'll get communist party state capitalism in the USA through incrementalism because the rest of the world will get there first. The USA will be the last one to come around, and only because the rest of the world will make us in like 30 years
>>2509879
the SACP, within the ANC coalition, only managed to kill apartheid, and usher the era of bourgeois-democratic neoliberal capitalism in SA. That is great and all, but it is by no means relevant to a scoialist struggle in the UsA in 2025.
The best thing that could possibly happen to USA politics in the next 10 years would be AIPAC crashing out. They are the biggest reason, by a mile, we can't seem to get progressive politicians in office. I'm not like CPUSA anon in that I'll go so far as to always endorse (or maybe even ever endorse) a Dem for president, but getting as many people like Mamdani, Ilhan, and tlaib elected to every single position we can would make our lives a lot better.
So many people here want communism as a mode of production or nothing at all, but you never actually r ead Marx so you fail to realize that's impossible to achieve.
>>2509886Impossible to get communism without doing "liberalism" first*
>>2509885
> You all say that there is an American proletariat held down by the bourgeoisie, right?
I am not so sure about that.
> a civil war the ANC could not win as long as it had no international support
Forget international support, the ANC has no desire to disturb the current order of things at all. Even with all the support in the world, the ANC would never go for a civil war. Mandela used the communists for the hard struggle, and once the ANC cadres secured a place for themselves in the bourgeoisie, they extinguished all socialist aspirations. South african socialism died with Chris Hani. Slovo was unfortunately already too old by the time of liberation.
>>2509885
If we ever have a militant communist party and revolution or whatever, it'll happen because it'll be inevitable and obviously possible given the material conditions that precede it
It will NOT be because you were posting this shit on leftypol. You're wasting your time.
>>2509889
Buddy I don't think you know what "communist" means.
>>2509889
> America MUST be destroyed. Anything less is Strasserism, at best.
Here I agree with you.
Most american socialists/communists engage in mental gymnastics to convince themselves that there is a socialist road to preserve (even to expand) the fruits of plunder and rape
>>2509892No, Max Schachtman is not a communist.
>>2509889
Also, Israel can be weakened greatly through *international pressure* like they currently are. America doesn't have to be destroyed, you're thinking in black and white. What has to happen is *other countries* have to band together to neutralize and redirect America's shittiest tendencies. That is absolutely possible and also far more likely to happen than a bloody retarded civil war
>>2509897
Go down to your local psych and get some lithium brother. You're putting words in my mouth, and thinking in extremes, all while doing nothing but posting online. While yes, I am also posting online, I'm not acting like I'm a vociferous revolutionary. I'm trying to install some maturity into the keyboard warrior neck beards like you on this site
>>2509897
It is also to no wonder that american online ‘communists’ had this fixation on Fully Automated Luxury Communism. There was no questioning of the current appropriation of the world’s Labour power, oh no, they were busy fantasising about squeezing even more. Suburban home with SUVs for the wife and kids ON DEMAND, Nguyen will for his ass for it!
To each (american) according his (strasserite) desire, from each (thirdworlder) according his (underpaid) abilities
>>2509904(me)
Nguyen will *work his ass for it
>>2509900
>Israel more powerful than ever
That is just absolutely blatantly false lol. Never before in their history have they been as globally and *officially* reviled as they are now. They intensify the war and general brutality BECAUSE they are feeling more and more pressure
America is also declining as well. America and Israel are on their way out *naturally* because I they are anarchronistic retarded societies that *no one else* in the world fucking likes at all.
Global opinion actually does matter, and soon, America and Israel will be subject to the discipline of the multipolar world through material and financial leverage. Just like the bourgeoisie depends on the workers, America depends on the rest of the world. And they are coming around slowly but surely
>>2509900
>right to exist
spooked beyond belief
>>2509907
Again you keep accusing me of having positions I've never even closely implied having, probably because you need lithium
>>2509906Israel has not been weakened at all.
They attacked an ally of the USA (Qatar), and received NO pushback at all. They killed top Iranian personal, decapitated Hezbollah’s and Hamas’s leadership, murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians, caused an ongoing famine, and there is no military force on earth which is responding.
They are stronger than ever. The electronic intifada turned Stacy and Kate against them. But guess what, Bibi does not give a shit. Stacy and Kate’s instagram stories do nothing materially and they will move to another trend in 3 months.
>>2509911You just stated 2 things they got away with, the first one, they DID get pushback for, to the point where Donald trump had to say the USA would defend Qatar from Israel militarily if they attacked again.
And the second one is just some random shit no one has ever heard of.
Those are 2 things that they USED to do WITHOUT ANY INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION.
And now, they are ON THEIR WAY DOWN. Yes. They are getting away with shit still, but they are getting away with LESS now than they ever have in their entire existence.
>>2509914
I would LOVE to flip a switch and completely replace the US government. But it's not possible. It just isn't. The world is going to improve slowly, like it always has, and always will.
The USA will continue to decline, the world will pivot to China, and Israel will be left holding the bag. A revolution can mean many things, it does not have to mean civil war. But I promise you, if there is a natural balkanization of the US due to it's own executive insufficiency, I will be fucking stoked to join that fight.
I just don't think you can *cause* it. At least not yet.
>>2509655Behind every schizo man is a BPD woman
>>2509914
What you're arguing is what would be the most ethical thing to do ASSUMING it was possible, ASSUMING there was political will. But instead, right now, people are hungry, immigrants need protection, and everyone needs healthcare. Those things are far more doable than a revolution, and if a revolution were to happen, it wouldn't be because anyone CHOSE it to happen.
US is a fascist state where cops openly terrorise, brutalise and kidnap civilians.
What are you doing about it?
>>2509926Going to work and being one of the good gringos in a sea of literally 100 Mexicans and wondering why none of them are worried about ICE. I ask them, and they don't really have much anxiety about it. Probably because we aren't Chicago or LA
>>2509826Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira
les aristocrates à la lanterne!
Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira
les aristocrates on les pendra!
>>2509913>Donald trump had to say the USA would defend Qatar from Israel militarily if they attacked againlmao you are so gullible
>>2509931With Melenchon? You're not going to hang any aristocrat lol
>>2509926I'm asking people what they're doing about it. Anonymously. What are you doing about it?
>>2509926Organizing revolution
>>2509926the same thing we do every night pinky. try to agitate the same group of 15-20 regulars on leftypol dot org
>>2509935>>2509926preparing my exit à la Paul and Laura Lafargue
>>2509933You're assuming I believe it at face value, and not that I understand what it really means for trump to have to say that. Even if they don't follow through, making holding or breaking these promises actually holds weight in the world of international politics. Deals are made, hands are shook, and backup plans are devised.
But you're probably autistic so you don't understand subtext without having someone explain it.
>>2509941
Nah. It's working itself out actually. I'm not special. You're not special. If a revolution happens, it won't be because you or I argued about it. No great man theory. Just the machinery of the organic theory of state and societal super organisms in general.
Like I said, if a revolution breaks out, count me in. Until then, I'm going to take care of my loved ones and take my lithium. I suggest you do the same
>>2509831Wouldn’t it make more sense to do all the major cities all at once if the goal is to stretch feds thin?
>>2509755No way this guy isn't related to the Bush family.
>>2509720Marx is once again completely right here. The printing press proliferated the first flood of fake news which caused thousands of witch trials, lynchings and basically the 30 Years War of course, but we all know about the last part, but it didn't start out of nowhere, for example there were witch manuals printed, an early form of a meme that caused death, torture and misery against people that basically ran the medieval version of a drugstore.
>>2509946How does lithium feel as a drug?
>>2509951I don't actually take lithium. I take lamictal but I say lithium as a rhetorical device to get people who are clearly manic to think about it lol.
Lamictal feels like nothing to me. My symptoms just disappear and I can be normal. No side effects, nothing. Lithium probably feels similar for people with bipolar. Those two drugs are less psychoactive and more uhhh metabolically regulative? It's like treating your body with a giga strong antioxidant.
>>2509951I heard you get fucked up dreams
>>2509953
Nah. You're just angry and your limbic system is hyperactive because there's something wrong. You have an exaggerated sense of threat which is warping your ability to objectively gauge the real priorities of the world, all the way down to the local level, and even to yourself. It's like PTSD. Your reactivity just doesn't appear proportional to what's actually going on, because you see yourself as more capable of solving these grand issues than you actually are. Because you're probably manic.
>>2509949If you have an army that can do that sure. But it's more realistic to have asymmetrical protests instead of all at once.
>>2509959>You have an exaggerated sense of threat your life must be quite comfortable
>>2509962Go to work with 100 Mexicans like I do every day and tell me about how I'm "too chill". These motherfucker don't give a SHIT dude lmao. They're v i b i n g in the face of this constant ICE news. It's all you can do. No need to freak out. Keep your eye on the prize etc.
>>2509962But seriously, there's a normal amount of passion to have about things, especially when combined with real action. The peak of this balance is exemplified in Greta.
But then there's Felix, someone who is clearly off kilter
>>2509959It's just Felix, he's an agent provocateur who largely just exists to make communists look unhinged
>>2509965At this point it feels chat gpt. Have I gotten glowbaited?
>>2509966
No one is the protagonist of history let alone you dawg
>>2509967We just filter him around these parts, he doesn't have anything useful to say and hasn't for a long time.
>>2509969Yeah guess I probably should too.
it just sucks because I used to be a Mentally Ill Communist and obviously got nowhere. But now, on the other side of that weird time, I've still held on to my communism. And I find it much more effective this way than before obviously lol. So I find it painful to see other people getting bogged down in dogmatic antiquated anachronistic 19th century buzzword bullshit. But I guess the internet is a containment zone for invalids anyways
>>2509978
yeah huh
>>2509603He used to be affiliated with STORM, a Maoist organization from the Bay Area up until 2002 when it was dissolved.
Here is a book put together a couple years after that by former members reflecting on the history of the group and its activities:
https://archive.org/details/ReclaimingRevolutionPeople forget a lot of older American Maoists liquidated into the Democrats such as the former mayor of Oakland, CA Jean Quan (once affiliated with the Communist Workers Party during the 1980s) who later was instrumental in repressing Occupy Oakland in 2011.
Young and spry activists who go to school and become revolutionaries for a bit then become disillusioned and turn rightwards, either towards the Democrats or the Republicans through becoming a part of their respective ideological apparatuses through NGOs, media, etc. as Jones did. However most of the time, they just depoliticize entirely and exit the field.
>>2509977
So why not you?
>>2509985He's clearly saying that people have to do things together, not individually
>>2509981what a 180. american kautsky
>>2509981is there a drug that turns people liberal or something
>>2509997Kautsky was never as bad
>>2509996They understand but it has become a fad to shit on felix
>>2510002He’s needlessly belligerent and annoying, the scorn is justified
>>2510003He is usually correct t
>>2510004Not mutually exclusive
>>2509996Why should I work with Felix when he wants to kill me?
>>2510009
Yeah, in a backwards Autocratic Russian State where there was a civil war already happening. Go shit on actual liberals
>>2510004>>2510002>>2509996this is just felix anon posting
>>2510009
lol you even yell at the people defending you.
>>2510002Felix would probably be less hated if he didn't spend half his time insisting everyone else here is a literal Nazi.
We’re basically facing epistemological collapse with AI videos right now.
It’s interesting that this is the result of a very intentional product development roadmap from OpenAI designed explicitly to cause this. They clearly think it’s profitable?
We are also being governed by the worst administration for the moment. They will accelerate rather than meet the challenge.
Dead internet may be the actual end here. There really isn’t going to be a point to any of these feeds if it’s just endless slop and you can’t tell if anyone talking is a person or just generated by a prompt.
>>2510038remember go for the dumbest must mundane explanation first. it was probably a gas explosion.
SHITS SIZZLING IN THE STREAM
>>2510049what is that. i ain't clicking that shit
>>2510050the link literally sticked at the top of the thread lil bro?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDA4z3Mwa0g ok sorry calling you lil bro was condescending and rude I didnt mean it
>>2510050it's an aggregation of protest livestreams from different social media sources
>>2510058that is really dumb
>>2510066So if 6 union leaders die in fires, what is the Occam's razor conclusion?
>>2510063There Will Be Blood is also burgerpunk and it's from the same director. Pynchon in general is usually burgerpunk, and this is based on one of his novels.
>>2509881Cuba isn't anglosphere. It's hispanosphere.
>>2510071>imagebased
>split the party that happens every other month online at this point
>>2510075Felix was spitting here
>>2509518well well well
well well well well well
a job for two. who are now of job age. the /pol/ ICE!
>>2510073Yeah, you can honestly classify a lot of PTA as burgerpunk
>>2509816>Hegelian Immanent Critique of Taylor Swiftzamn
>>2509415That's why I said "closest thing to socialist societies", they're obviously not fully socialist societies, they're just capitalist societies with strong unions and stricter regulation of private capital, but maybe that ought to be a clue that the way to achieve socialism is not by destroying the government you have and building a new one, but by forming unions and collectives and co-ops and using community organizing to directly exert leverage against state and private power. It doesn't have to be all or nothing, you can achieve it piece by piece and you don't have to put your faith in some leader to save you, you can do it yourselves.
>>2510107It's like people are just lazy and want to look for shortcuts, they don't want to do all the work and figuring for themselves. I think that kind of attitude is really what holds leftist activism back, more than "identity politics" or whatever bullshit you white dorks whinge about. And you see it all over the left too, from the centrist liberal morons who think yet another Clinton/Obama/Biden neoliberal will save America to Marxist edgelords who refuse to accept anything lesser than dismantling the entire capitalist system forthwith and dismiss any suggestion of real pragmatic reform as a copout or a compromise.
>>2509816can't be tamed is 15 years old now. it's over 😭
So I guess mods deleted the latest USApol?
>>2517952
thanks can you delete this one too?
>>2517949It was probably OP, not the mods. The mods haven't been on in three hours. The staff name instead is "system", which is the board software. If it were the mods, it would read "hidden".
>>2510087Bake new bread, baker
>>2517954how do you check the logs?
>>2509816this is 5 minutes too long
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>>2517963 >>2517961she took 5 minutes to tell you that Taylor swift is a white girl
>>2509810it's just market trends shifting towards the main consumer base: zoomers. everything about tay tay is extremely millennial, she's like the jk rowling of normie HR ladies, no question in my head that she will spend her later days being a bitter washed out ultrarich reactionary.
>>2517989>bitternot if she gets good cock
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