GET MILITIANT
>>2511701 THE END IS NEAR
>>2511826i always wonder how much of it was overestimating capability sincerely and how much of it was performance to create the story of the plucky ukraine against the might of this MASSIVE force.
>>2511826What do you mean? Failing the economic warfare angle, the next claim was that NATO was going to defeat Russia militarily "for cheap" using shit pulled out of scrap yard with the claim that even mid-20th century weapons were more than a match for anything in Russia's modern arsenal.
Getting to the point of genuinely considering giving Ukraine Tomahawks, the symbol of American military might, is a journey of consistently admitting NATO underestimated Russia both financially and militarily from the get go. Trying to play that off as though the only lesson learned in hindsight was they could have sent Tomahawks day one, is rather pathetic tbh.
>>2511836Ukraine and its supporters were demanding No-Fly Zones, nuclear weapons being handed over due to a breach of the Budapest Memorandum and a NATO presence on the ground from day one, those are things that still aren't being considered even today, providing "game changers" piecemeal over 3 years (usually in the face of some kind of military failure for Ukraine) is how you satisfy both the nafo demand for escalation while avoiding the acts that will result in American and Russian soldiers directly shooting at each other.
Tbh my theory on why they even bothered sending NATO weapons is not even solely to satisfy the demand for escalation and improve morale, I think the primary reason it was risked was because Ukraine ran out of munitions for their current stock of weapons and NATO's supplies obviously aren't compatible. Handing over a couple platoons of NATO MBTs, a handful of HIMARS/ATACMS launchers, a smidgen of jet fighters don't really expand Ukraine's capabilities beyond its pre-war ability and in fact probably never even maintained its equilibrium, but they'd unlock for Ukraine thousands of tank shells, millions of bullets, hundreds of MLRS rockets, dozens of airborne missiles, etc that, when rationed by the virtue of just simply not having that many of the weapons themselves, would secure Ukraine's minimum fighting capacity for years.
And I suspect that's what they counted on in expecting Russia to not really retaliate, that their supply of these "game changers" to Ukraine are purely made out of logistical and supply concerns, rather than an attempt to make Ukraine the ultimate NATO army under cover of Russian invasion which naturally seems implausible to everyone but nafoids.
Zamn ziggahs why don't fellow Zuccian patriots want to die for our glorious fazhist Czar? Don't they know the Ukrainians are a fake country who are weak and also xoxol?
>>2511881Russia, the area in the green outline was captured in October 2025, which is just a week so far
>>2511881No-one? Russia already won on the 25th of December after spetnazis stormed the city of Kyiv and hanged Zelensky on the maidan
How dare you ask this question? Are you discreding the Russian Army???
>>2511881Russia until the humanitarian corridor and the hand-over of additional
NATO soldiers NATO mercs Ukrainian fighters as a gesture of goodwill.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-ukraine-conduct-large-prisoner-exchange-after-putin-trump-call-2025-03-19/
>Russia handed over an additional 22 heavily wounded Ukrainian prisoners, both sides confirmed.>The Russian Defence Ministry said the 22 were in need of urgent medical care and had been returned in what it described as a goodwill gesture. >>2511892Meanwhile a rusnazi gets shot dead or blown up every 40 seconds.
>>2511888I don't doubt that if Zelensky were in charge of Russia, Ukraine would be finished off by now, and it's been delightful to see an awakening take place on Xitter and Telegram over the last half year. More Russians are asking questions, and I have to struggle to locate dead-enders still protecting their time and ego investment.
>>2511928Russia already took a large high rise apartment district
>>2512006>>2512012As time goes on, I’m not sure whether this about downplaying Russia’s military achievements or just claiming that there’s nothing worth capturing in Ukraine outside Kiev.
>>2512031I would never downplay an ostrich farm. An ostrich has an obvious periscopic advantage for sighting enemy contingents on the next terykon.
>>2512053On the contrary, we need that terykon. Ever heard of high-ground advantage? With that high-ground advantage, we can more easily capture the recaptured ostrich farm.
The more I look at this the more I believe Russia has already lost.
Trump was the most pro-Russian president since FDR. Now he's turned against them. Trump will 100% lose the midterms so the Democrats get strengthened and by the end of his presidential term, due to inflation and economic incompetence, he will be replaced by a Democrat. Knowing the Dems they'll choose a warhawk like Kamala or equivalent so even if Russia has "secured" 4 Oblasts by the time a new President comes in, the US will quickly move towards escalating again. Then you have to factor in European re-militarization which will build with every year. There's literally zero chance Russia will be able to hold onto their new territories. It's fucking over.
>>2512073I still say it ends with Russia getting four oblasts and the Bandera government still in power. A land-grab victory like 2014 Crimea.
If you're right that Ukraine will eventually attack those four oblasts, I expect the Kremlin to be as sluggish as it was between 2014 and 2022, undoing a lot of the work.
>>2512178Not great, not terrible
>>2512178gotta be honest, its fucking nothing, destroying a cooling tower is already fucking nothing and this didnt even destroy anything
>>2512206depends what ukraine wanted to strike.
if it wanted to strike the cooling tower, then it was too scared to target something more dangerous, which is a good sign.
if it wanted to strike something more dangerous, then it's a rabid dog, and you don't relax around a rabid dog when it tries to bite your throat off but misses and bites a tiny chunk off your shoulder instead.
>>2512178>>2512219Has there ever been a successful instance of a nuclear power plant's containment building being breached by a bomb? I would imagine it would probably take a very precise hit from a bunker buster missile to break through such a hardened structure, they make the containment building practically impenetrable and it's quite a small target. Targeting electrical infrastructure like substations whatnot would probably be more effective than attempting to destroy a building designed by Cold War military engineers to withstand a nuclear war with the US.
>>2512239according to trump, he pulled off the greatest npp kill shot of all time.
>>2512239Nope. People play too many video games and just think things have healthbars, and anything can be destroyed, if you just hit them with whatever in wherever for long enough. Blame Red Alert 2 and Simpsons. Anti-nuclear movement is anti-intellectualism distilled.
I'm too scared to research the damage a suicide drone can do to a nuclear power plant… don't wanna be flagged lmao
IAEA Director General: "Once again drones are flying too close to nuclear power plants, putting nuclear safety at risk. This time we were lucky. Next time we may not be."
>>2512239You dont need to breach the reactor. You need to hit the cooling system good. This will turn the reactor off. Then you need to hit the powerlines to the reactor and the emergency generators. This will turn off whatever secondary cooling system there is and core will meltdown or explode.
>>2512248Minimal. Everything important is inside a building. Past that, you may be able to take down one of several steam turbines. Reactor pile itself isn't thin at all. And that's if it isn't buried and surrounded by concrete.
The only difference between an NPP and a fort on the Maginot Line is the NPP lacks turrets and cannons.
>>2512263The maginot line doesnt have fissile materials that will melt every down or explode if they stop being cooled for a couple of weeks.
>>2512267>NPP materials>explodeBeen watching a lot of Simpsons, have you.
>>2512248Cooling towers are just for the external cooling waterloop. There is nothing radioactive about those towers or their vapors. The reactor is inside a concrete shell. I doubt an fpv drone could carry enough boom to put a hole in that.
>>2512269I am sorry for using the word fissile. I meant the fission products.
What do you think happened in Fukishima?
The removal of the decay heat is a significant reactor safety concern, especially shortly after normal shutdown or following a loss-of-coolant accident. Failure to remove decay heat may cause the reactor core temperature to rise to dangerous levels and has caused nuclear accidents, including the nuclear accidents at Three Mile Island and Fukushima I. The heat removal is usually achieved through several redundant and diverse systems, from which heat is removed via heat exchangers. Water is passed through the secondary side of the heat exchanger via the essential service water system[11] which dissipates the heat into the 'ultimate heat sink', often a sea, river or large lake. In locations without a suitable body of water, the heat is dissipated into the air by recirculating the water via a cooling tower. The failure of ESWS circulating pumps was one of the factors that endangered safety during the 1999 Blayais Nuclear Power Plant flood.
Everyday I pray that the proletariat of Ukraine and Russia comes to their senses and starts slaughtering their respective bourgoeisie.
>>2512254>but lets not lay blame to the ones who did it. We only blame iran, anyone allied with the west is immune from our criticisms!FUCK IAEA
>>2512259there's some vulnerability for sure with cut power unless everyone was just fear-mongering recently. also, the russians and ukrainians both act spooked about drone attacks on nuclear plants.
>>2512276>What do you think happened in Fukishimathe tsunami got water into all the electrical systems iirc
>>2512259meltdown seems supported by this:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/iaea-says-drone-detonated-near-ukraines-south-ukraine-nuclear-plant-2025-09-25
>The lines supply electricity vital to cooling its reactors' fuel and preventing a meltdown. Emergency diesel generators were in operation.so it's definitely possible for drones to cause a catastrophe, but are we talking "being struck by lightning twice" chances of pulling it off?
>>2512259>explode>>2512267>explodenot gonna lie, when people are too sure that they know stuff, they love to talk shit out of their assin' asses.
>>2512259>You need to hit the cooling system good.The "cooling system" for a nuclear plant is typically a natural water source like a river or a lake or the sea. Novovoronezh is cooled by the Don river. How do you bomb a river?
Is Russia advancing on a yearly timescale or not?
Or does it advance somewhere one day while retreating from somewhere else, do the same thing the next day, ad infinitum, giving the impression of daily movement but not actually moving anywhere on the yearly timescale?
Cuz when I look at yearly maps… gang, heheh…
>>2512290It's not just some vulnerability. It's an unfortunate major problem with reactors. You just cant fully close them down. It's also one of the reasons why reactors are expensive, since they need to have like triple redundancies on cooling.
>>2512291>>2512303Some random guys will probably find it very very difficult to do it. I think, you need to hit the cooling systems, so at least a few hits, and perhaps keep hitting to stop the efforts of fixing it. You have probably some days/weeks to bring back the cooling system or put there something else. If they keep bombing you you probably cant work. But I cant see this happening from some random guys and governments can probably just use a bunker buster or something anyway if they wanted to do it.
>>2512296As far as I remember, the tsunami fucked the power lines or main cooling to the reactors, and also hit the diesel generators. So no cooling system. I think they used battery generators but got empty and they didnt have time to bring other generators because roads were fucked up or something.
Verdict: So yes, I dont believe that it will happen, but it's also not nice to hit nuclear plants with whatever. Who knows which contractor left the emergency generators faulty for a few months and you realize that when the main is not online because some random guy just bombed it…
Btw, the reason reactors can explode is because water boils to extreme pressures (I think you even get hydrogen there). You can release that, and they do, along with some radioactive gases. But then you dont have enough water, if you dont fill more water in, and fuel starts burning…But that water now gets radioactive and you start amassing it somewhere because it needs to circulate, otherwise it also boils. So now you are left out of space and you start throwing the water in the sea/river…It's messy.
>>2512324>not gonna lie, when people are too sure that they know stuff, they love to talk shit out of their assin' asses.Really you though…
Does anybody know what is the attack vector of these Ukrainian strikes. Do the drones just fly all the way from Ukraine, some get shot down, some don't and they hit. Or do they just FSB glowuyghurs driving around russia in vans and flying fpv-drones from shorter ranges and within the AA shield to targets?
>>2512349Seems like a war of attrition between two 2nd world countries full of drunk shirtless fat men and stray wild dogs.
>>2512372stagnant lines bubbling back and forth, tbh
>>2512396 (me)
or should I say net stagnant? sorry, esl
>>2512369They're tracked extensively on their journey - you can see the maps live - but the babushkas with drone cannons have to be mobile enough, which is hard after their hip replacements…
>>2512407a lot of things about this war are not normal given the difference in capabilities… even as an attrition war, much too slow… the weird retreats, kiddy gloves, goodwill offers, etc.
the good conspiracy theory is that russia is slowing down deliberately to deplete nato munitions… the bad conspiracy theory is that the "mic agreement" schizos are right
>>2512425I come back every monday to leftypol just to visit the /ukr/ thread and by god… the cuckening is so bad i might have to come back every month just to keep my sanity. Or maybe not come back at all. I hate russian cuckening. I hate it so fucking much. What a shitty cucked country. Nukes on washington. That's it. No other options. Fuckkkkkkkkkkkk.
>>2512433>Or maybe not come back at allYou tease.
>>2512425It's just a classic case of the larger power waging a limited conflict to avoid drawing in larger adversaries. The US did the same thing in Vietnam and Korea. Unfortunately if those examples are indicative then it doesn't bode well for a decisive Russian victory.
>>2512425I think the initial efforts for a direct assault were so disastrous and costly that they were forced to change their tactics and focus on attacking soft targets like civilians and infrastructure rather than face a modern state military head-on and incur enormous casualties.
It's 2025 and in spite of the biggest military on the planet and infinite gdp
For some reason nato still can't win
>>2512446Since WW1, war between nations with powerful modern militaries has been untenable. It was already bad enough before that, even the muskets and horses wars of the 19th century were bankrupting the nations of Europe and slaughtering their population, but with the advent of machine guns and artillery and tanks and aircraft and drones and guided missiles and all the rest of it, symmetric warfare between modern militaries is just a meatgrinder and nobody really wins.
>>2512444lol, Im sure thats what nafotards repeat
Great Patriotic War
22 June 1941 to 9 May 1945
3 years, 11 months
>>2512446They can’t win with the profits they’re making
>>2512658Are the yellow dots fortifications?
>>2512475Yet somehow the USSR defeated Germany and Japan (on land).
>>2512729Former? Ukrainian officials?
>>2512439>Unfortunately if those examples are indicative then it doesn't bode well for a decisive Russian victory.Well they’re hardly the same situation considering neither Vietnam nor Korea were wars of any real necessity for the US, you can’t really compare sending men to the other side of the globe to prevent what no doubt soldiers thought were “shitholes” from becoming communist, to fighting literally just over your own border where threats of fascism, nuclear terrorism, war crimes against civilians, economic isolation, etc are all backed by NATO with its obscene Russophobia from the top all the way down to random bozos online stating that they “dream” of killing Russians and serving as drone operators.
If we must compare to the US, then the attack on Pearl Harbour turned a very reluctant population towards support for full US involvement in WW2, in both Europe against Nazi Germany as well as Japan, in comparison to that, I think Russians aren’t going to be dissuaded from either fighting the war or tolerating the still pretty minor economic effects of war when the attacks on Russians both physically and rhetorically are much closer to home and much more genocidal in scope.
In this comparison, nafoids are like the wannabe samurai photographing themselves beheading American POWs and being like
>~wwww basedo, hwito piggus will surely go home when they see what cuntosu we are
>>2512729Whenever I see black redactions, I don't bother reading the unredacted content. It's a good enough heuristic 99% of the time, and I figure that when it fails, I'll hear anything explosive on social media.
Actually, I'm thinking of changing my heuristic to not reading anything that's been declassified. What would I miss? A few quaint parapsychology documents from the '70s when grifters ran amok but agencies wanted to make sure there was nothing there?
>>2512433You should follow prepper channels, Spurdo. They've been going nuts over supposed Russian nuclear broadcasts the last 12 hours or so (not that stupid UVB-76 "buzzer" broadcast). Nothing ever happens, but if you know where to look, it's possible to have a 24/7 feeling that something big is imminent, and those neurochemicals flow, and your brain feels sated even though nothing ever happens.
>>2512783>If we must compare to the US, then the attack on Pearl Harbour turned a very reluctant population towards support for full US involvement in WWII … I think Russians aren’t going to be dissuaded from either fighting the war or tolerating the still pretty minor economic effects of war when the attacks on Russians both physically and rhetorically are much closer to home and much more genocidal in scope.I don't know what Russians think about the war, but the U.S. practiced large-scale conscription in WWII. Most Russian soldiers in this war are contract troops who signed on because they were offered cash money ($$$). Or so I've read. Again, the Cucktin posters have a point, if this is really so existential then the Russian government isn't really acting like it is.
>>2512791>You should follow prepper channels, Spurdo. They've been going nuts over supposed Russian nuclear broadcasts the last 12 hours or so (not that stupid UVB-76 "buzzer" broadcast). How do they determine what those numbers stations are saying though? They can't because it's unbreakably encrypted. I agree we're probably all doomed though, at least on a long enough horizon.
>>2512799>if this is really so existential then the Russian government isn't really acting like it is.They are balancing an existential threat with having a future. They'd prefer negotiating ties with the euros and burgers as we've seen, will enter the conflict zone when this is impossible, then avoid domestic upheaval and alienating partners outside the west
The other part of it is you'll want to maintain readiness in the wild scenario of a NATO intervention or clash somewhere else, like the Baltics or Belarus
The weakness of post Soviet states is at the heart of this, I think. They were easy to push around and annex or ignore, they were impacted hard by the 08 crash covid etc, and divided by European unification. All this while they lack modern statehood traditions outside of communism
Unrelated but this is why I'm not satisfied with explanations of Russian aggression or American regime change gone awry. It's something deeper and more dangerous, like century old history threads bending towards one bad conclusion. I think it is existential. The sign of that is America seeing this as existential for the international order, large euro countries behaving like Baltics, Ukrainians waving Nazi flags, and Russians quickly seeing this as the next step after Napoleon and Hitler combined with old wars in Ukraine resuming (Russian Civil War, ww2) starting with seps adopting the flag of the donetsk krivoy rog Soviet Republic
If you're struggling with the idea of this being existential to Russia because you're wary of justifying it, just think how much the world in your past life had to break down to produce this conflict
>>2512799It’s not that it’s existential in the sense that Russia needed to immediately resort to desperate measures and mass conscription, rather that the circumstances in Ukraine would prove to be existential for Russia if they didn’t act at all.
>>2512806I think it's a weird mix of ambition, resentment and the instinct toward self-preservation.
Putin has a problem because Trump's first term is repeating itself. There was optimism in Russia back then but what ended up happening was a large-scale rearmament program under Poroshenko, which was launched by Trump. Here it is again.
The fact is that Trump also makes decisions emotionally which is dangerous, and I'm not sure Trump will lose his nerves at this critical point. Putin is counting on his luck and may seriously believe the Ukrainian front will collapse. This is (theoretically) possible. War is war. But every week it becomes more difficult to convince others of this. in Trump's view, Putin should have solved his problems in Ukraine a long time ago, but the fact he hasn't makes him think Biden's approach wasn't so bad (except that it was Biden's). Even better for Trump, he has managed to shift the burden of supporting Ukraine onto the Europeans which frees him from the criticism of MAGA activists that America is spending too much money on Ukraine.
>>2512812Just curious, why is it existential to Russia?
Or to flip this question around, why isn't this existential to Ukraine? They seem to behave as if it is.
>>2512806>If you're struggling with the idea of this being existential to Russia because you're wary of justifying itTo be fair, I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt that anons are in bad faith misinterpreting what “existential” means, on the basis that given the likely average age here, no one in NATOpia has experienced an existential threat outside of movies involving alien invasions or zombie apocalypses. A lot of the awareness of how countries respond to hostility is warped by the fact that in living memory, NATOpians have been the ones waging war and needed to come up with essentially Hollywood-like shitposts explaining why dying in the oil wars is in fact “dying for one’s country”. With the revelation in hindsight then being that people just largely joined the NATO military to fight in the Middle East, not to die in the Middle East mind you, because you could buy a Camaro with the sign-up bonus, thus resulting in this idea that because Russian soldiers are contracted that must mean their motivations are the same, because Putin hasn’t said
>N’ough mah gawd, may god have mercy on us, fire the nooksbecause Russian Channing Tatum hasn’t shouted
>I didn’t sign up for this shit!While manning a minigun and mowing down waves of Ukrainians, etc, the conflict just can’t be existential for Russia, it doesn’t have the “calling cards” of being existential.
Okay being slightly more fair, Russia isn’t being completely levelled by American B-52s with Russian soldiers armed with old Mosin rifles bravely fighting to the death, thus it doesn’t have the calling cards of an existential war in the way Vietnam and Korea did.
>>2512817>Just curious, why is it existential to Russia?Because capitalism in one country definitely doesn’t work, the goals of Russia wanting ultimately to be welcomed back to the world stage are laughed off ITT as cucked, but it’s that isolation of Russia militarily, economically, politically, etc, that NATO expansion seeks to achieve that would ultimately cause their collapse. Having Putin or at least his successor accepted back into the various international orgs and global trade, diplomacy and treaties written with the US, can only come from NATO surrendering to the reality that they don’t have enough of the world on their side to succeed in strangling Russia into collapse and they thus must accept Russia’s permanent existence.
>>2512824>Having Putin or at least his successor accepted back into the various international orgs and global trade, diplomacy and treaties written with the US, can only come from NATO surrendering to the reality that they don’t have enough of the world on their side to succeed in strangling Russia into collapse and they thus must accept Russia’s permanent existence.Uhhhhhhhhh…what? So this war is existential for Russia because they want to rejoin all those trade and diplomacy organizations but on their own terms instead of NATO's? This is just bourgeois whining about power differentials. How is this not imperialism ala WW1 with Germany whining about Britain being too dominant?
It's existential because Russian capitulation just forces Russia into the Western camp, because Russia won't be able to resist Western pressure, the gov will likely be color revolutioned, and so on.
Remember, Zion Heil, because Russia is one of the last substantial sponsors of the Palestinians.
I'm looking forward to glowbots defending Israel once Hamas capitulates, and Z Gang getting banned for anti-Semitism afterwards.
>>2512830>How is this not imperialism ala WW1 with Germany whining about Britain being too dominant?It is
>>2512830>whining about power differentialsEven if that was the case, and I think you’re similarly reluctant to consider it any other way at the risk of feeling like you’re justifying Russia while NATO just *is* without your input, that’s not the impetus for Marxists to be interested in this conflict, the fact is that NATO is big, interventionist, anti-communist, imperialist and a problem for conventional dogma in that Marxism was developed during an age of fluctuating alliances between different colonial and imperial states, that all of those states may unite with the expressed purpose of enforcing anti-communism and legislating amongst themselves how imperialism is to be democratically conducted between them was not a thing during the 1800s nor the early 1900, and is frankly, horrifying to acknowledge.
>>2512830i'm going to strangle you untl you collapse. If you try to fight me before i finish you're an imperialist kaiser
Like if there was a time for ruthless criticism of all that exists and developing Marxist thought according to equally developing material conditions, the post-Cold War world is the time.
And people are like
>Lmao you want me to support the British Empire against the German Imperial Army, I think Lenin had a few words to say about that! Nope! I think you’re being blinded by your obsessive and vulgar criticism of the CIA
>>2512836the bothsidists obsession with ww1 and acting like history froze in the early 20th century are tiring. the battles of that time ended, ultimately, after two wars, won by one imperial power that swallowed the rest, except for the parts that went communist. they've since swallowed a lot of that, and are working on the last holdouts now. So naturally the bothists spend all their time whining about the supposed imperialism of the holdouts.
>>2512841> ruthless criticism of all that existsExcept criticism of a capitalist great power Russia and it's invasion that killed 300,000 Ukrainian and Russian proles
>Except criticism of capitalist Hamas and it's invasion that killed 300,000 Israeli and Gazan proles
>>2512818>Or to flip this question around, why isn't this existential to Ukraine? They seem to behave as if it is.I think this is simple to answer. Ukraine's existence is at stake, just not due to Russia. Capitalism hollowed out the country and made it vulnerable to division via European expansion. It's no more independent then the rest of their history, just with Europe. It became abjectly poor despite being a breadbasket of europe that once inherited industry and science from the USSR. Its national identity did not reach democratic compromises for its multiethnic borderland nature, weakening it and making Ukrainization an artificial imposition of West Ukraine on the rest of the country.
Their only answer was to accelerate the process, dividing themselves to expand a global system as the latest incarnation of a rising Europe. It's false consciousness, rather than deal with the chains foisted upon them by the West they looked east and slid into enforcing them first on rebellious minorities and later Russia itself, with NATO's assistance. Russian demands in contrast are the country balances ties as it did under Yanukovych and reverse its self division, which is part of Russia's wider desire of a post cold war deal with the West. The previous one failed miserably and did not end conflict. As this one fails, we lurch towards de facto partition of Ukraine between east and west to settle its post Soviet borderland woes. Ukraine will be reduced to its urheimat, to be Europeanized, while losing control of recently settled territories that once represented Soviet answers to the national question in the east
Both Russia and Ukraine have their existence targeted by the expansion of a global system, one acquiesced and became its own enemy (as projected on Donbass/Crimea) while the other quietly charted its own independent path while seeking to renegotiate. Both of these paths devised under unipolarity are sputtering out and need new ideas. The West's answer to the problem is to break up the former USSR further until it restores the 90s in Russia, which is the existential threat
>>2512817Don't really disagree with any of this
>>2512830>How is this not imperialism ala WW1 with Germany whining about Britain being too dominant?Because Russia is not Germany and this is the periphery of Europe. It is bizarrely ahistorical and not materialist to conflate a crisis of imperialism in its immaturity, when it collapsed a 19th century system in Europe as it absorbed the world, with a mature stage in crisis as it loses control over said rest of the world (now postcolonial), with post communist countries being inseparable from this process. To lay old European divisions on today's global ones is lazy. It's not meant to make sense of the future but to elude conclusions that we are closer to cold war divisions of core and periphery in a reduced (non ideological) but more transformative form (shifting global economic weight).
What will stop Ukraine from launching drones into Russia forever even after this war is over? Like how Hamas launched rockets into Israel for decades? Except Ukraine can actually hit the targets. Has Russia created a permanent enemy that will be a security headache and economic drain forever?
>>2512863>false equivalenceThis is the One Joke of leftists.
>>2512860Criticism of Russia is absolutely allowed, but the hysteria of equating Russia and NATO in terms of size, power and threat to the international communist movement and the Black Book of Communism-tier claim that everyone who has died as a result of NATO expansion to strangle Russia reaching a flashpoint is solely Russia’s fault, aren’t criticisms but narrative building.
>>2512866a regime change, basically
>>2512867explain how it's false. The logic goes: Hamas InVaDeD, therefore everything that happened before that is irrelevant, and all death and destruction happened after that _by either side_ is Hamas's fault.
This logic is applied by some here to Russia. If it's good logic it should be applied to Russia and Hamas (and others). If it's bad logic, it should be applied to neither.
>>2512866Because Palestine wasn’t recognised as a state and couldn’t conduct building statehood and thus they had little to lose, if Ukraine survives this then they will have surrendered (conditionally or unconditionally) with an eye to conserve some semblance of statehood which would be undermined by inviting retaliation attacks against whatever rebuilding is being carried out.
>>2512867I think he's right. Both Ukraine and Israel are labeled as provoked into self defense, completely disregarding the international system they enforce and which has been lurching towards war across the world. Both conflicts were provoked by this system seeking to redivide regions and contain adversaries. Abraham Accords and 2021 NATOization
>>2512866>What will stop Ukraine from launching drones into Russia forever even after this war is over?Nothing besides total Ukrainian capitulation and Russian control over the entire country. Hence why all the talk about "not needing Kiev" and only 4 Oblasts is cope because even if 4 Oblasts are secured nothing will stop the rest of Ukraine from continuing to launch infinite drone strikes against Russia forever.
>>2512869Why is joining NATO an act of aggression
>>2512865Ukraine as a state defined by the 1991 borders could only keep its existence secure through compromise between its differing enthic/poltiical factions, how it did pre-2014, where no faction gets everything it wants.
Once one faction seized all power to itself and tried to vanquish the other into second-class citizenship, it was a state at war with itself and its existence (as defined by the 1991 borders) came into doubt.
When that same faction redefined the identity of Ukraine as being part of the Western military bloc, this also cast its existence into doubt because that bloc is basically a conspiracy to collapse and either politically capture or balkanize the RF, and its only use for Ukraine is as cannon fodder in that project, so war with the RF would be Ukraine's price of entry.
This of course, puts it on a direct collision course with the RF, and puts its existence in joepardy again. So this war is certainly existential for Ukraine as defined by its current leadership, but that is really a problem the leadership chose to impose on Ukraine.
>>2512880>Why is joining NATO an act of aggressionNATO is no longer a response to a collapse of imperialism and communism filling the void. It's an enforcer of globalization, like the US, meant to hold Europe together during the process while also developing new roles outside of Europe. When it reached its hand in collapsing socialist states to enforce regional change, starting with Yugoslavia, it evolved into an existential threat. At least by the time liberalism was in decline and needed more democracy wars, grander ones, to rebirth itself from post 08 slump
>>2512880Because NATO is an aggressive, anti-Russian alliance?
>>2512875The fundamental mistake they make is taking it at face value that when Ukraine claims their defence against Russian invasion is a liberationary struggle, that means they’re the same as Palestine despite Palestine not being a recognised state and desiring independence from Israel, rather than Ukraine already having statehood and it’s “liberationary struggle” involved getting rid of all the goddamn orcs in Novorossiya complaining they don’t want to be taken hostage by Kiev and pressed into hostility against their own nationality and that blocking membership in NATO.
But if they can’t identify a struggle for liberation independently, if they’re taking it at face value for Palestine as well, what happens when Palestine doesn’t immediately match expectations for what a liberated nation ought to look like?
>>2512788You'll miss stuff like CIA saying that their "allied special services" were smuggling weapons into Hungary during Hungarian Uprising from the south border - i.e. Yugoslavia supported fascists
>>2512884Ukraine has lost Budapest memorandum protections the moment they've put the admission to NATO into their constitution. Budapest memorandum gave Ukraine protection as long as it stayed out of alliances
>>2512889It also forbid political interference…like color revolutions
I believe in 2013 the US embassy in Minsk, responding to a spat over Belarusian sanctions, said that the memorandum is non binding lol
>>2512880Still narrative building, NATO’s hiterto narrative was that it “opens the door” to membership and you have to answer why NATO chooses to expand when it previously chose to agree (albeit with its fingers crossed behind its back) with the USSR to not expand as a condition of mutually unifying Germany under West German governance? Why was the latter recognised as a a necessity when the former is justified as neutral?
>>2512904Because NATO is good, and is allowed to do whatever it wants for achieving it's goals. Obivously!
>>2512614Can you imagine if instead of taking half of Europe, the Russians took 20% of Ukraine and then got stuck there for 4 years? Oh wait…..
>>2512880>Why is joining NATO an act of aggressionI'm going to give you an answer that will make you mad. Not be because it is *the* correct answer(it is not), but because it is an answer you can understand within the worldview what produced such question.
NATO has carried out the second Nakba. Israel is an extension of the USA/NATO, the backbone behind the Zionist entity's military power. And NATO is an extension of the USA, that enforces US hegemony worldwide. The system we live in, not "Communism". The last century's worth of human misery and privation is to be laid squarely at the feet of NATO, the enforcers and beneficiaries for most of it.
And it just so happens that, analogous to Ukraine, US hegemony was being tested in MENA. In both cases you can see the consequences war and destruction. When financial imperialism doesn't work anymore in your favor just burn it all down and squeeze the still loyal to finance more wars and less pensions.
And it just so happens this time it meant exterminating the Gaza strip and much worsening the conditions of Palestinians all around, under the Israeli occupation.
I do not care what you think of Ukraine. If you had an ounce of consistency in the idealist POV what produced such retarded question, you'd be denouncing the USA and demanding the disbandment of NATO.
Just, because of what they did in Palestine these last two years >>2513020You can hate NATO and denounce both America and Israel without lapsing into apologia for Russian imperialism you mental midget. Is politics a team sport for you? Rah rah must cheer red team rah rah must hate blue team. You can acknowledge NATO's horror's without excusing away or using that to justify Russia's horrors. NATO blowing up Iraq doesn't give Russia the right to blow up Ukraine. You can denounce and hate both. All you need to do is spend any amount of time on Russian social media platforms where Ziggers voice the most insane nationalist rhetoric and advocate for the extermination of all Ukrainians. Or hell if you don't want to do any translation work and prefer to be spoonfed a Russian perspective in English, just head over to our retarded sister site on halfpol where Russian posters openly and gleefully advocate for total Ukrainian death. None of this is socialist, none of this is pro-worker, all of it is imperialist.
>>2513043For the thousandth time, Russia is not an imperialist country.
>>2513043Ukraine blowing up Donbas gave Russia a right to blow up Ukraine.
NATO blowing up Iraq, as well as dozens of other places, overthrowing countless governments and destroying societies all over the world for decades also told Russia loud and clear what was intended for them, and what Ukraine wanted to help bring about for them.
Ukraine had peace with the Minsk agreements if it wanted peace. It wanted war instead, and it got it. Crying afterward because they're losing is their problem.
>>2513043I got to remind you something, "svpport" is NOTHING, it is a meme, it is nothing, it is a heil hitler salute in a high school, it is benign, a LARP, I can support Russia online just because I like their style better.
>>2513109>I can support Russia online just because I like their style better.These are the mfs saying that anarchism is a lifestyle and a hobby lmao
>>2513117You can be anything you want online
>>2513125In both cases Israel and Ukraine are defending themselves from population they repress to keep themselves stable extensions of a wider Western order
>>2513127This. I hate the western order. The jungle must devour the garden. Fuck the garden. Unnatural plantation for serving the demiurge.
>>2513125Donbas is Palestine. Ukraine is Israel. Do try to keep up.
>>2513127sometimes i wonder if these anti-Israel/pro-Ukraine schizos even realize that it's the same exact fucking people arming and funding them, and for the same fucking reasons. ffs
>>2512824>Having Putin or at least his successor accepted back into the various international orgs and global trade, diplomacy and treaties written with the US<We fought this war to break off relations with the US so we could come back and have better relations with the USAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHWHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING…
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Ok Moffin wins.
I concede defeat. Leftcoms win. Moffin wins. /leftypol/ mods win. I have signed my apology form and I expect my fellow Ziggers to do so as well.
>>2513157Ok I just saw this post and now I feel the need to do a quick meta post just to point out something that most people don't know because now I'm freaked out at how good my imitators are getting.
There is actually more than 1 Spurdo poster and they have been active for a long time now and have been getting progressively better at imitation. Initially I kept silent for like a year because I found it funny that other anons can imitate me so well and I also got a good laugh from Champy and others replying to him thinking he was the same person. Now it's becoming scary and they're even imitating my ways to engage in this thread (like translating Russian Telegrams and screenshot spamming them).
I love when IntBrigAnon, ChampAnon, TankAnon and I break the minds of some western chauvinists, and their ilk.
I will start using a flag, ITT, too. I should have done so since 2022.
>>2513180You are Faux-Spurdo. I am the real one. I was the one who went crazy demanding the blood of westoids because of cucktin the puck. You started imitating me. Sadly I delete my saved memes since I was cursed by the Grand Memelord ximself.
In order to differentiate ourselves let us come up with namefags.
I will pick Cucktin's Ghost. (I used that along with Bloodlust)
Deal?
>>2513131So Israel is justified in genociding Palestine in order to protect the garden from the jungle. This is according to your own worldview.
>>2513211No stay with Spurdo flag please. We can cooperate. Sharing a flag is no big deal on imageboards. I just had to make a meta post to clear the record because that latest post of yours was scarily good.
>>2513191It seems to me that you're doing a better job to justify Western chauvinism than the chauvinists themselves with the "terrorism and genocide against Westerners is justified" narrative.
>>2513221Are you mad that there exist communists who dont give a shit about capitalist Russia?
>>2513217OK, I consneed.
Good. we can be frens.
Deus vult inshallah comrade.
It's funny how a simple question "Why is joining NATO an act of aggression" resulted in an avalanche of genocidal screeching from leftists. "Ooga booga collective punishment kill all westoids"
>>2513212The Garden has no rights and pisrael is the garden and must be destroyed.
>>2513231How come every AES country is on Russia's side, but Westoid communists are likely to "not care about capitalist Russia"?
>>2513223Based. He should do it more.
Fuck the west. I want to drink the blood of westoids.
>>2513242Because Russia and China are allies and "AES countries" are the dogs of China and do whatever China tells them to.
>>2513246This isn't true. China is neutral. North Korea is an active ally. All other AES countries are also neutral. Even Cuba is neutral and reprimanded Russia for tricking their citizens into signing contracts. The only AES state actively supporting Russia right now is North Korea.
A 27-year-old disabled man died in the war, who "signed" a contract, unable to read and write. He was recruited from a penal colony, from where he was supposed to be released in 2024.
Semyon Karmanov, a 27-year-old resident of Kemerovo, died in the war with Ukraine on August 2, his sister Anastasia told Mediazone. The military enlistment office informed the relatives that Karmanov died as a result of a head wound. He was buried in a closed coffin.
Karmanov received a group 3 disability due to a diagnosed intellectual disability in childhood. He signed the contract in 2023, six months before his release from prison, unable to read or write. The man's mother claimed that he could not have known what kind of document it was. Despite the fact that he was not registered at the military enlistment office due to disability, the medical board assigned Karmanov category "A" (fit without restrictions).
Prior to that, Karmanov received 2 years in prison in a theft case — during a trip to Novosibirsk, he treated homeless people with food and drinks, which he paid for with other people's bank cards found on the street, Mediazona notes.
>>2513246>"AES countries" are the dogs of China and do whatever China tells them to.Orly? What about picrelated?
>>2513249China is pro-Russian. For example, even in proposed peace treaty, Russia and China jointly were amongst the Ukraine's security guarantors, brandishing a veto against troop placements and other kinds of attempts to enter an alliance by Ukraine
>>2513252Still higher than in the west. 25% is good numbers.
>>2513268>Still higher than in the west.Really?
>>2513252>unspecified poll from unspecified date of unknown reliabilitywow solid stuff. i'm guessing it's from 2022, most palestinians probably knew little about ukraine/russia or what any of the issues were and just saw some crap on the news saying russia bad. people generally don't like war either and prefer they not happen.
If Palestinians were informed on the issue, i suspect most would support Russia, understand that Ukraine is an entho-supremacist apartheid regime that is a puppet of the US empire and is repressing an undesired ethnic group using weapons and money supplied by the same exact people that give the weapons and money to israel to genocide them.
Also, Ukraine has no right to sovereignty over Donbas (UNSC Res 2202) or Crimea because Ukraine was taken over by a gang of criminal usurpers who nullified the votes of the people who lived there and tried to impose an apartheid regime on them. Divorce is final.
>>2513141>sometimes i wonder if these anti-Israel/pro-Ukraine schizos even realize that it's the same exact fucking people arming and funding them, and for the same fucking reasons. ffsI think for many it's because politics in the English speaking world does nothing to prepare you for international issues. It's open and based on universal pretenses, at least for westerners and assimilating immigrants, yet also an insulating bubble that just feeds supremacism and disdain for the rest of the world. As children who must be dragged into modern ways
You end up incoherently aligning with a foreign whoever that somewhat resembles you in the moment before they do something less aligned. Taiwan is culturally liberal? Pick that over authoritarian PRC. Zero historical understanding of why the very division of the two is an undemocratic foundation that undermines anything lineral built on it
For many Americans it's literally just Ukraine connects to democrats and Israel to Republicans
If it can't be related to domestic politics there's no awareness. Think of how if you read history for some time, you end up contextualizing past domestic politics in bigger eras
Also Ukraine from 2014 to 2022 was dead quiet as an issue. There was zero education of westerners on it. Instead it was slotted into some extension of russiagate and EU woes about populism. In other words, Russia was only seen when Westerners thought about themselves
Israel has more awareness due to post 9/11 wars adopting an open civilizational or semi racial character against Muslims, and this souring the opinions of generations since.
Color revolutions in contrast proceeded quietly in that time and were not polarizing
After visiting Poland I see why. Youth Westernize, while Israel increasingly relies on its less secular population (afaik)
>>2513212>So Israel is justified in genociding Palestine in order to protect the garden from the jungle. This is according to your own worldview.If the garden overcomes the jungle, the world stays with garden and jungle. If the jungle overcomes the garden, there no longer is garden and jungle
We are told if Russia or Palestine (or Iran) lay down arms the war ends and the world is at peace. But a bit deeper is the fact the world remains divided, which hints at the true antagonism at work that causes the cycle of war. The torturous cycle has systemic causes that keep getting reduced to some poor country beyond the frontier
>>2513284There's something about the Ukraine and Israel flag together that just looks disgusting to me
>>2513284>fully understands le geopoliticsA.k.a support allies of Chinese imperialism
>>2513163Hi Moffin’
But you’re wrong about Russia invading to break off relations from the west, if you think that happened after rather than happening before the invasion then it’s no surprise that you’re slamming your head against the wall trying to understand why Russia are so willing to reopen diplomatic ties with the west.
>civilians in the front line villages being "defended" by ukraine are supporting russia. lol
Residents of frontline settlements controlled by Ukraine are helping Russia, complicating life for the Ukrainian Armed Forces — Tagesspiegel
▪️ Canadian war correspondent Neil Hauer spoke with Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers operating in the Novoekonomicheskoye area on the Pokrovsk direction.
➖"What the Ukrainian soldiers experienced on the front line was 'bordering on a miracle.' After only five days of leave, they had to return to battle, indicating a huge shortage of personnel in the Ukrainian army," he writes.
▪️ Pro-Russian civilians supporting Russian soldiers also represent a "serious problem," he writes.
➖"Those who have not yet fled are helping the Russian army. Russian soldiers were 'warmly welcomed' in a residential building west of Ukrainian positions. This suddenly became a threat from a new direction," complains the Canadian war correspondent.
>>2513336Also, as a side note on 2nd pic, not regarding the fact that by today none of those countries ever dared to respond to "Russian" drones or missiles; Slovakia is in anti-Ukraine pact alongside Hungary, and Czechia is aiming to join, too
>>2513367I mean tbh even despite all that, it’s pretty cringe that pressing the “US! Pls halp!” button is framed as demonically powerful and bloodthirsty.
>>2513307If you believe there is such a thing you really belong in /pol/
ukro statiyiys?
>>2513180>and I also got a good laugh from Champy and others replying to him thinking he was the same person.Really it should be raising flags in your head that it’s this easy to convincingly imitate you, my sockpuppets don’t even try to imitate me lmao
Nevertheless I’m glad that “Champy” is catching on!
>>2513456You're growing, I like it
>>2513511No, obeying the instagram mantra that
>not everything requires your attentionWould be growth for me. I feel like IntBrigAnon (perhaps, “Inty”, thread?) would want me to go in that direction.
>>2513219Show me one post where I ever stated
>"terrorism and genocide against Westerners is justified"you are no different from zionists that do whatever crap they want to Palestinians, to then act with a victimhood complex.
>>2513221top lel.
>Media adviser to Ambassador to the UK Valeriy Zaluzhny denied reports that he is assembling a team to participate in the Ukrainian elections.
>"No matter how many times some sources say or write about it, his position is clear and unchangeable", said Oksana Torop (part of nazilushny team).
>While the war is ongoing, the former commander-in-chief isn't thinking about the elections or preparing for them, she insists.
>"If you want to fight for Ukraine, send your husband and grown sons to the front": a Polish MEP called the European Commission president's policies a symbol of arrogance and chaos.
>In her address to Ursula von der Leyen, Eva Zajaczkowska-Guernik noted that the EC's decisions are being made "behind closed doors in the name of dictatorial tendencies."
>>2513163I'm not interested in indulging your humiliation fetish, Moffin.
>Telegraph: Merkel's comments about Russia and the Special Military Operation deepened the crisis between Poland and Germany.
>Finnish President Stubb again spoke about the carrot and stick approach in Russian-American relations.
>"I think President Trump started from a position where he tried to gently persuade Russia to end this war. It was a carrot approach. And, of course, given the latest language he's put forward, I see the stick coming into play."
>>2513638>deepened the crisis between Poland and Germany.Uh-oh, it’s the Merkel-Lavrov pact
>>2513644Nafoids in this thread in a flipflopping between it being so over and being so back on the basis of Trumps’s tweets competition, but their opponents are the Rada
>Polish President Karol Nawrocki spoke sharply about Zelensky's proposal to close the Baltic Sea to Russian tankers:
>"It is impossible to close the Baltic Sea to Russia simply based on Zelensky's claims that they are allegedly 'launching drones at European countries.'"
>>2513667If they try to take it and sell it, Russia can sell it also at a discount. They need Russia's explicit agreement to part with Russian assets, or else there's a threat that there are multiple legal owners
>>2513679>Russia can sell it also at a discountthe point is they don't have access to those assets. they are
frozen under EU law or more exactly, at EU's whims.
>>2513686Lmao
>Ukraine doesn’t even care about the strikes against its power plants!is really more true than cucktinists think
>Ukrainians are living a "life of pleasure" during war, says Kim, head of the Nikolaev regional administration.
>"Compare how people live during war in Afghanistan, Yemen, or Palestine. Sorry, but we're living a pleasant life — with karaoke, concerts, restaurants, and everything else."
oh-oh, someone is going to be sent to the front soon, for explaining to the world, and Ukrainians with victimhood complex more precisely, that it isn't true that they are suffering horrible things no, compared to some other people.
>>2510601 (me)
I was expecting a translated video of the scandal of the Zelensky's 'Flamingo' scam scheme, where the personnel involved in the construction of the system posted a video stating the following:
<"Two days ago, we learned that our unit was being disbanded. No explanation was given; we simply received orders to hand over our equipment and prepare our men for transfer. No one answered our questions about what, where, and how. Before we could even hand over the equipment, lists and orders for the men arrived. They were being transferred to the infantry. Pilots, operators, and specialized personnel. We were simply being dismantled and destroyed."RIP Bozos.
>>2513710Keep replying but these are, as the kids say, bangers!
The post:
>It’s ogre for Russians, there are queues for the petrol station!<Ukraine: shaddap and stop complaining! At least we’re not Afghan, Yemen or Palestine-tier! You’re joining the side that attacked them! >>2513737on one hand, the post hurts some some people in here, on the other hand, fuels some "cucktinist" reasoning. the latter is silly, the SMO was never intended to leave Ukraine as a ravaged nation (for now).
However, Ukraine is as it is now, with "Karaoke, concerts, restaurants and everything else" thanks to the EU and the US. and thanks to no one else, in reality.
>>2513180>better at imitationhave you considered a flag isnt assigned to a poster, and people can use a flag without wanting to imitate anyone
>>2513191>rejecting true anonymity for the ego boost a recognizable flag bringjust become a namefag at this point
>>2513205pro imperialists posters really have ran out of arguments
>>2513671>Forbes reports this, citing unspecified US Congressional documents.sounds like made up propaganda
>If listening to Palestinians is the most important thing that leftists should do, why do 70% of Palestinians not support Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Hmm it's almost like Palestinians understand Ukraine's complaints about violation of their sovereignty…
huh, we are recycling again old stuff.
hey, don't make me post ukrainian support for Palestine.
>>2513815In any case, the question was no doubt framed in such a way that basically asks
>do you support people abroad in the exact same situation as you? >>2512799>How do they determine what those numbers stations are saying though? They can't because it's unbreakably encrypted. I agree we're probably all doomed though, at least on a long enough horizon.They don't need to know what the message is, just that there
is a message on a rarely used nuclear channel. Unfortunately, their claims are often clickbaity bullshit (no proof that it's a nuclear channel, no proof that messages are rare, no proof that a message has even been discovered at all, etc.). Look at this one from nyprepper1 on Twitter:
>VERY RARE RUSSIAN NUCLEAR FORCES COMMUNICATIONS WENT OUT RIGHT NOW KNOWN AS CIS-3000. THIS IS USED TO COMMUNICATE WITH SILOS AND ROAD MOBILE LAUNCHERSNow, if you look up CIS-3000, you discover that it's some kind of Russian military modem line protocol, but what significance it has for nuclear silos or how the signals were discovered at all - that's left to the imagination. For all anyone knows, it could be a protocol for an obsolete truck-repair system.
The important thing, you see, is not to ask too many questions. Just let the neurochemicals flow.
that 0.8% of ukro territory putin claims to have captured in the whole of 2025 might actually be around 0.3% if we ignore all the uninhabited wastelands and include only the ostrich farms, podunk villages, etc.
>ThE dIrEcT nAtO aTtAcKs On ThE rUsSiAn HoMeLaNd WhIlE nOtHiNg HaPpEnS tO nAtO hOmElAnDs WoN'T cHaNgE tHe 0.3% sItUaTiOn On ThE bAtTlEfIeLd In RuSsIaN vIlLaGeS
I think you have to be entirely ignorant or just downright dishonest to look at the previous 30 years of the US running absolutely rampant, destroying the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc, and not cop to the fact that this conflict was engineered by nato specifically to do the same to Russia.
Like you've got human pieces of shit itt being like "but think of all the poor Russian proles this imperialist conflict is killing", blithely ignoring that if Russia wasn't fighting and did just acquiesce to its own destruction like nato wants, the outcome would undoubtedly be so much WORSE, not just for the Russians and Ukrainians, but everyone in the world as nato juices itself up from Russia's corpse to continue the rampage in Iran, and ultimately China.
You don't have to be in love with Russia and Putin especially just to recognize that it is better for literally everyone if the rampaging nato beast is finally stopped, and that while the conflict and its consequences are regrettable, it's the lesser evil.
>>2513650The shawarma must flow
>>2513667She's protecting her own ass, anon
>>2513671Why is imperialist Cuba doings this?!
>>2514094>Like you've got human pieces of shit itt being like "but think of all the poor Russian proles this imperialist conflict is killing"nah, more like "look at all those ukrainian elites that Russia isn't killing"
which makes the whole thing suspect
>>2514161Unlike us capitalists have class solidarity
>>2514165agreed. which, btw, is why calling it an imperialist war is so misguided. there's (unspoken) cooperation in this war between the elites of both sides. each side regards its own proles as worth less than it regards the elites of the other side. not to suggest that this is somehow unique to this particular war.
I no longer believe that the Oreshnik is even real. In hindsight, I believe what happened in Dnipro in 2024 is that an RS-26 was pulled apart and then jerry-rigged for the sole purpose of a psychological spectacle.
The first clue that something was up is when Putin likened a few Oreshniks to a tactical nuke in effect. That was very odd. The next clue was that Luka just isn't a great liar, and as a human lie detector, I knew he was lying when he said that Putin refused to hit Bankova with an Oreshnik and when he said that a dozen Oreshniks are already in Belarus.
>>2514229 (me)
Also, they could probably pull apart more RS-26s and do the same thing, but I don't think the resulting jerry-rigged contraption that everyone has been calling an Oreshnik has any military advantages over the base RS-26, which was already known to be in Russia's possession and which didn't deter NATO from assisting Ukraine.
>>2513125>>2513212yeah if you completely divorce states from reality and treat them as interchangeable variables with no extant history or development just equal variables in a void of nothing like a liberal idealist. dont you know history didnt start on october 7th its reborn every day and everyone has equal opportunity regardless of their material circumstance. killing nazis is just as bad as killing communists and self defense is unjustified violence. the most important thing is to treat everyone like you want to be treated regardless of consequences and especially if it dooms all of humanity. state A = state B. both are states. both sides bad.
>>2513277>It's open and based on universal pretenseshuman rights fall out of the sky and definitely dont depend on economic development. thats why people who make a dollar a day but have free speech are better than people who have a house to live in which is why you should submit to imperialist domination because being freedom and poor is better than being physically secure. i mean if you arent free to be subjected to slavery are you even really free?
Leaked Data Reveals Massive Russian Casualties: Nearly 500 Soldiers Killed or Missing Every Day
< A recently leaked dataset paints a grim picture of Russia’s military losses in Ukraine. According to the Hotšu Žit organization ("I Want to Live"), which receives surrender requests from Russian soldiers, internal figures detail the scale of casualties suffered by Russia during the first eight months of the year. The data covers the period up to the end of August — a total of 243 days — during which Russia reportedly lost 281,550 troops killed, wounded, or missing in action.
< Out of these, 86,744 soldiers were killed, including 1,583 officers and 8,633 prisoners. Another 33,966 are listed as missing, among them 11,427 prisoners. The number of wounded soldiers stands at 158,529, including 6,356 officers and 14,489 prisoners. Additionally, 2,311 Russian troops have been taken prisoner by Ukrainian forces.
< This means that, on average, Russia has lost around 35,000 troops per month — nearly 500 soldiers killed or missing every single day. To put that in perspective, a single Russian battalion tactical group typically consists of about 600–800 personnel.
Losses Comparable to World War II Offensives
< The organization draws a striking historical comparison: during the Soviet Union’s East Prussian offensive in early 1945, Soviet forces lost around 126,000 soldiers killed or missing while successfully occupying northern Poland, East Prussia, and Königsberg (now Kaliningrad).
< In contrast, Russian forces have lost roughly 120,000 troops killed or missing in just eight months, yet have failed to capture even Pokrovsk, despite more than three years of attempts.
Poor Medical Evacuation and Low Survival Rates
< The figures also highlight Russia’s apparent inability to provide effective battlefield medical evacuation. For every soldier killed, there are only 1.3 wounded — a shockingly low ratio that suggests many wounded soldiers die from lack of care. The organization notes that Russian troops often receive minimal tactical medical training, and wounded personnel are frequently abandoned on the battlefield.
Equipment Losses Also Staggering
< Between January and August, Russia reportedly lost a total of 61,603 pieces of military equipment, including 13,145 completely destroyed and 48,458 damaged but repairable — averaging 7,700 units per month, of which about 1,600 are beyond repair. Even elite paratrooper units, usually shielded from the most dangerous operations, reportedly lost 2,272 troops killed or missing, and another 3,191 wounded.
Moscow Hides the True Human Cost
< According to Hotšu Žit, the Russian government has made little effort to retrieve the bodies of fallen soldiers or to acknowledge the real scale of its losses. “The Russian public must be mentally prepared for the moment when, after the war, they are finally told how many of their sons, brothers, and fathers truly died, went missing, or were wounded,” the organization warns.
< “This is the price of the Putin regime — and of the support it still commands among the Russian people.”
>>2514523Source appears to be United24Media, who also have headlines on their front page such as
>“We Had None, Today We Have a Surplus”: Zelenskyy on Ukraine’s Artillery Comeback>Zelenskyy: Ukraine and EU Will Match or Even Surpass Russia’s Artillery Production by 2026>“Now Is the Time to Call Things by Their Name”: Von der Leyen Says Russia Waging Hybrid War on EuropeHas a tab called "Anti-Fake" with articles like
>Why Russia Will Do Anything to Win Moldova’s Election>How Russia Stole Billions From Ukraine Over 30 Years Ago>If Your Country Has a Russian-Speaking Minority, Russia Will Turn It Against You: The Baltics Case>How Russia Tries to Control Your Social Media Feed: The Baltic States CaseA tab called "Life in Ukraine" with pieces like
>Would Your Home Survive Russia’s War? Hard Lessons From Ukraine>Ukrainian Children Return to Classrooms in the Shadow of War>Why Would Ukraine Want Independence? The Forgotten History of Russian Aggression>How Much Power Does Ukraine’s Image Hold in World Politics?Their "about us" page describes themselves as
>At UNITED24 Media, we are committed to providing our audience with honest, accurate, and fair coverage of Ukraine and its impact on global affairs. Our English-language digital media platform aims to offer insightful and engaging content on the ongoing war with Russia, and Ukraine’s history, people, technology, business, and culture. As Ukraine fights for its freedom and independence, we strive to be a beacon of truth and understanding in a complex geopolitical landscape.And the article is based around this image that has already done the rounds on Zitter and discredited as not resembling any document used by the Russian military, supposedly. In any case, it's no more proof than the Russian leak that claims 1.7 million KIA or MIA on Ukraine's side and I'm willing to wager anon and United24Media do not consider it proof.
Kind of a long winded way to make the point, but I think we know why people give me shit for using RT as a news source. RT does a much better job of presenting itself as a respectable news source in that perhaps it's quite selective with the facts it chooses to present, but its reporting are headlines like
>Ukrainian official claims Tomahawks can ‘pressure’ Russia>EU pressuring Belgium to tap frozen Russian assets – FT>No money to arm Ukraine – Czech election winnerWith no narrativisation with emotional framing of the war in general, there features and analysis pieces that are a little bit less formal and opinionated like
>How Russia forced the West to face its own decline>Putin the architect: Russia’s vision for a post-Western world>Two years of war, at least 60,000 civilians dead – can Trump end the Gaza crisis?But they are specifically labelled as features/analysis on their front page, the authors are usually non-RT staff and ultimately are understood to be opinion pieces rather than factual reporting.
>>2514531god it would be so fucking lame that ww starts to get hot in 2025
Russia has taken a lot more than 2311 prisoners, and considering their advantages in artillery and air support, if Russia has lost 280000 troops then Ukraine has lost even more.
>>2514549I doubt it will happen, but I do anticipate some kind of chimp out as a last resort to get Russia to back off from winning.
>>2514585
>*pretending to be willing to* gets a lot of mileage apparently
That's probably precisely the idea.
>>2514597>>2514585My suspicions are that Ukraine threatens NPPs because actually that has implications for more than just Donbass, Russia or Ukraine, it also includes the entirety of the EU if there was some kind of Chernobyl-like meltdown that then doesn't have the liquidation efforts to prevent it causing a European-scale disaster because they would have to be conducted during a conflict on the battleground.
I think it's Ukraine's threat to NATO/EU over
givas as it is towards Russia to stop winning, like at the moment there's the demand for Tomahawk missiles from NATO and the strikes on oil facilities within Russia aren't deterring the Russian military as hoped, thus they're resorting to nuclear terrorism in the hopes that either, Russia are deterred by it in a way they weren't over the ZNPP or attacks on oil facilities, or NATO gives in and hands over the Tomahawks so that the attacks on oil facilities become more likely to actually destroy rather than damage them or open up possibilities for strikes against targets that are more directly military.
No doubt one day when this is all over and stuff starts getting declassified, I'm sure there will be the barely veiled threat coming out of Kiev towards Brussels that there are factions Zelensky can't control who if they see Ukraine falling, will ensure they take down all of Europe with them. That actually the UN shrugging over who could possibly be attacking NPPs was a very conscious decision to not reveal to the wider world that Ukraine is threatening all of Europe with essentially dirty bombs, especially since they'd be supporting Ukraine anyway and there's no need to frame it as though their support has only come from blackmail.
>>2514608Bombing a nuclear plant wouldn't cause the kind of terrible nuclear catastrophe that you are imagining, even if you did successfully breach the containment building. Nuclear power plants aren't ticking timebombs just waiting to blow up in a giant nuclear explosion, it doesn't work that way. And military personnel are probably well aware of this, but most of the general public are pretty stupid and radiophobic so threatening to bomb a nuclear plant is a pretty good way to demoralize the enemy and make your own citizens feel like the country is doing well and winning the war.
>>2514624>Nuclear power plants aren't ticking timebombs just waiting to blow up in a giant nuclear explosion, it doesn't work that way.That’s not at all the suggestion because that’s not what happened for Chernobyl nor how dirty bombs work, is it? Moreover how they signal a willingness to make nuclear reactors a factor in this conflict is not necessarily indicative of how they would destroy one or otherwise use one for a dirty bomb.
>>2514632>that’s not what happened for Chernobyl nor how dirty bombs work, is it?What happened at Chernobyl, the environmental catastrophe part of it, was their NPP used a graphite moderator which caught on fire and the fire burned for 10 days sending a massive plume of fission fragment-laden smoke into the air which dissipated all over Europe - the airborne radioactive particles were the primary environmental hazard. Novovoronezh is a light water reactor like most modern reactors, it uses water for the moderator and not flammable graphite, so a Chernobyl-type scenario is not possible there. Dirty bombs I think were just a theorized nuclear doomsday weapon that military researchers later determined would not really be that effective. Explosions are not a good way of dissipating material over a wide area, most of the "dirt" will go straight up in the air and fall right back down where it came from.
>>2514624You're an idiot, without any power the cores in a plant like Zaporizhzhia's will melt and this would be a very bad disaster, even more so in war conditions where appropriate clean up measures can't be taken
>>2514645Do you know what happens in a nuclear meltdown? The core material melts down, literally. It melts into a liquid and pools onto a floor in the containment building in a big puddle of molten metal, and the nuclear chain reaction immediately stops because the core no longer has the spherical geometry necessary for critical mass.
Worst case scenario, a steam explosion could propel molten core material into the air, but again just like the dirty bomb, the explosion would not be effective at scattering the radioactive material over a wide area. Most of the core material would be propelled directly upward in big blobs of very heavy molten radioactive metal, heavier than lead, and most of it will land in the near vicinity of the blast zone - it wouldn't be aerosolized and spread over all of the continent.
>>2514642Oh okay so you've gone from
>erm ackshually nuclear reactors aren't nuclear bombsto
>erm ackshually chernobyl's reactor works differently to other reactors and dirty bombs are a mythyou're dancing around the fact that you've got a highly unstable government with access to nuclear material, which is apparently a valid concern in every other situation (i.e Iran and the DPRK), but not when it comes to Ukraine where the intent is just a bit of silliness that will trick Russian civilians into surrender.
But nevertheless, sticking with the theme that signalling intent and actual action are different, indeed for VVER reactors it has been drones on subsystems and cooling towers, but the Kursk NPP is a RBMK type like Chernobyl and it does seem like the Inkurskion was directed at either capturing the Kursk NPP outright or at least bringing it in range of Ukrainian artillery since it AFAIK has not got a containment building.
>>2514652The core lava can still retain enough heat to melt through the floor of the containment building depending on the design/conditions.
That would lead to localised contamination of the water table.
Why does a country with 5000 nukes allow 100,000+ of it's soldiers to die from drones and small arms shot from another country with 1/10th of its economy? Why is this an acceptable way of fighting a war? Is this war just a eugenics program by Russia to eliminate it's minorities, beggars and drug addicts?
>>2514229>>2514245The Oreshnik is a concept that the Americans have been wanking about for decades as "Prompt Global Strike" and never had funding to develop because sending a drone/cruise missile/bomber from the nearest US base was cheaper.
It absolutely has military applications when you don't want to cross the nuclear red line (currently retreating past the Urals). It evades standard fighter based air defences and most SAMs, and can only possible be intercepted by high altitude counter-missile systems which are very limited in number.
>>2514663There is no parallel in history of this war, where the stronger side deliberately takes massive losses for no reason.
>>2514663Unless Russia wants to start flattening cities the nukes are of very limited utility. Maybe through to late 2023 they could have used tactical nukes to blast the Ukrainian front open. But now a single tactical nuke would be limited to killing one drone team because the troop concentrations are so low. A conventional missile can do the same thing.
Obligatory Russia is fighting against the NATO budget not Ukraine's.
>>2513834Can't wait for the Poles to start crying when all the Germoney dries up.
Nuclear physics thereada!!! Lets go!
>>2514681>>2514663Literally, this was the theory behind Ukraine going full volkssturm with its initial mobilisation waves, now rehashed.
>>2514663Putin doesn't wanna annex nuked citied and radioactive-ridden soil, aparte from the possibility of ending the world. Even tho I'm not a zigger and I understand that.
>>2514681Based Putin killing all the dumb patsocs that enlist for the war.
>>2514681Putin might actually believe in himself as having a heroic, historical "destiny" (which requires others to sacrifice themselves) but in reality he's a bungling, mediocre sort of figure. Kind of like Napoleon III. I'm a strong believer in the Bonapartist theory of Putin. He has made direct analogies to Peter the Great whose territorial contributions to Russia was in exerting much more meaningful control over Ukraine, as well as winning several wars against the Swedes, Ottomans and rebellious Cossacks. An even bigger deal then was seizing control over part of the Baltic coast to build St. Petersburg.
Putin might have a theory of victory that more or less maps onto what may anons ITT believe. It goes: the West is in terminal decline. The West may have economic and military power right now, but over the long term, they are ridden by major social divisions including migration and weird gender terrorists, and are moving inexorably towards Trump/Orban/Farage/Le Pen style populists who will focus more on domestic politics, and be more willing to cut deals with him and abandon Ukraine (which they know in their heart of hearts isn't part of their natural sphere of influence). He thinks he's savvier (and is more politically powerful in his domain, just objectively) than the idiotic and transient politicians of the West who has seen come and go over the past 25 years, and he can outlast his current Western opponents just like he outlasted them. Which is unsurprising given that these libs are basically the least competent politicians imaginable.
But it's also a big gamble. The core assumption is that these trends continue. But trends can continue until they don't. I also dimly recall that Meloni in Italy seems to be the kind of person he wants to see in charge of us Westoids, but also – for whatever reason – Meloni seems to be pretty pro-Ukraine. It just has not been the case that having a bunch of populists in government in the West has reduced the level of hostility towards Russia. So either my own description of Putin's theory is wrong, or I'm analytically correct (generally) and Putin's assumptions are wrong.
At any rate, the fish rots from the head down. The people who supported Napoleon III were usually not idealists. A bunch of these people who supporrted him were generally cowardly and despicable opportunists who found it profitable in some way. The peasantry supported him because they were nostalgic and wanted stability (even if Louis Bonaparte was only a pretender). The bourgeoisie didn't love him but supported him because he prevented revolution. The lumpens also supported him because he mobilized them as his personal support machine. These were shady types: adventurers, hustlers, political jobbers, speculators, and careerists who saw service to him as a career path. Journalists. Propagandists. Liars.
>>2514860People see in this war what they want to see. Some see Russia as an aggressive imperialist invader working for its own gain. Some other see it as an anti imperialist war against a monopolar West. But yours makes the most sense to me. I think in abandoning "Great Man Theory" we also lose the ability to understand a chunk of what makes human society work the way it does.
>>2514860>The increase in eye twitching when Putin says it's ok to go to war for 21 yearslmao I feel so bad for the ruzzians
stuck with a retarded leader with no way out
>>2514523I think they're just trying to cover for Ukraine's catastrophic losses.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/putin-reveals-new-casualty-insights
>During the latest Valdai forum presentation and Q&A, Putin gave some rare insight into the war’s casualty figures and how they play into general tactics, which is worth looking at.
>Here’s the relevant excerpt in its entirety:
>He states in the month of September, Ukraine’s total casualties were 44,700 with slightly less than half reportedly being irretrievable. In the same month, mobilization and recruitment brought 18,500 new bodies while 14,500 total lightly wounded returned to the front from the hospital.
>These are surprisingly detailed numbers suggesting Putin’s deep insight into Ukraine’s internal figures. Let’s break them down.
>Less than half of 44,700 being hard losses would be something like 20-22k hard losses, while the remaining 22-24k would be lightly wounded which will return to combat after convalescence.
>Out of that 20-22k hard losses, usually ~50% can be assumed to be KIA with the other 50% being maimed, i.e. amputations, etc. Thus, for the sake of this exercise we will assume about 10-11k per month are KIA. Divided by 30, this is roughly ~330-360 daily KIA—let’s call it 350—with another 350 maimed.
>According to Putin, Ukraine gains 18,500 new recruits plus 14,500 wounded returnees per month, for a total regeneration rate of 33,000 monthly. We just saw that Ukraine loses ~45,000 total, for a net loss of ~12,000 per month.
>A Ukrainian official just recently happened to claim that Ukraine still mobilizes 30k total monthly, but even top Ukrainian analyst Tatarigami was skeptical, which would suggest he sides closer to Putin on these figures:
>But one thing it does reveal, is that some of the pro-Russian side’s wilder estimates are highly exaggerated. There are some on the pro-Russian side who believe Ukraine suffers 1,500 pure KIA per day, or even more—and this is clearly not the case, as per Putin himself. It appears at most Ukraine fluctuates between 250-400 KIA per day, while Russia is likely in the 125-200 range, though both can have anomalous ‘spikes’ depending on the day and operation.
>Keep in mind these Ukrainian losses do not take into account the desertions, which as we’ve covered here before are claimed to be upwards of 10,000 per month or more. But these figures can be misleading because we don’t know how many deserters are actually caught and brought back, or come back on their own. One can assume a good portion of them is dragged back in some way or another simply because Ukraine has an extremely permissive attitude for deserters due to the desperate state of its manpower. >>2514899>simpliciuspeople still read this retard? lol
>>2514903Can you either refute what he's reporting or suggest someone better, you dripping fuck hole?
>>2514907
You mean "rand corporation opinion."
>>2514907
Would the left wing of the terminally cucked KPRF be able to pull it? Last time the hardliners tried to coup it backfired spectacularly and triggered the break up of the USSR.
>>2514909He pulls all this out of his ass. Can you refute this?
>>2514929So no, you can't do either, because you're an ignorant wad of stale dog spunk.
>He pulls all this out of his ass
t. someone who probably reads visegrad and the kiev independent (thinks it's 'independent') and give face of value to them.
>>2514934Tbf he has been talking about imminent AFU collapse for a long time now.
>>2514860>muh migration>muh genderretard, the long term decline of the west and especially europe is ECONOMIC
>>2514929>He pulls all this out of his asshe literally doesnt, which is why I still read it
>>2514961Actually I was wrong, 29 people survived. Even better news
>>2514860It's not really about the gender terrorists. Those are just a culture war thing and the Russian decision-makers chose to align with the right part of it for a few reasons, but that was largely a rational calculation. Putin is old and he probably doesn't spend all that much time being immersed in the culture war, unlike us here. He probably just got a report from some analyst that had like three pictures of non-passing hons and some cherrypicked examples of their rhetoric. The culture war messaging was chosen by people much lower down the chain of command. And I actually don't think he thinks that the west is in terminal decline, or at least the fact that Russia is so open to negotiations and does next to no retaliation - or is so cucked, as people here say - doesn't show that. There are many other reasons to do so, of course, but if you think your enemy is on the way down, there is no reason to talk about "renegotiatng relations". They lose, you win and impose the new state of affairs. Like Russia already did to united Europe a few times. It is also absolutely done to placate all the oligarchs who desperately want their Miami properties back or to project an image of peaceful intentions to other countries, but then it also creates lots of risks like projecting weakness and risking more NATO escalation.
>>2514947Well, it's currently boasting only that Russian advances are slow and even then by all accounts on both sides, that's down to FPV drones more than anything else which are pretty immune to the effect of collapse given they're not on the immediate front-line, operating from cover, FPV drones are small and easy to covertly transport to towns/villages, no real tactics or command required just spot something and crash into it, operators naturally know what they're achieving rather than getting demoralised after just loads of panicked firing-in-all-directions-in-self-defence, etc.
Whether they have the discipline, numbers, morale, training, supplies, command structure, etc to attempt another counter-offensyiv, inkurskion or beach party in Crimea remains to be seen.
>>2514945Damn, you can't even use shitty tiktok memes correctly. How stupid you gotta be to fuck that up?
>>2514986What I'm wondering is what if anything will emerge to break the deadlock caused by the drones.
>>2515005Probably not in terms of a technological breakthrough, I think the undoing of Ukraine's prowess with FPV drones comes at the point where Russia captures the four oblasts fully and then stops advancing and instead starts digging in, if that's actually the plan. Because FPV drones are great at targeting stuff that has broken cover and caught out in the open, but not very useful against static defences where the little RPG-7 grenades aren't powerful enough against and communications are less dependant radio and thus more powerful EW can be used.
At that point the Ukrainians have the choice of either freezing the conflict or having another crack at an offensive, either choice likely to be made under continuing Russian drone and missile attacks and a now chronic lack of FPV drone footage.
>>2514961Fuck, this is the most blackpilling news since 2023. Is it over if fucking azerbaijan can do this shit?
>>2515022yeah god forbid people pay for their crimes
>>2515050You do realize that Ukraine did this on purpose, right? And that Azerbaijan cooperated with them in order to cause conflict for their western masters, much like they cooperated with Israel during their strikes on Iran? The fact that this shit can happen and not result in severe damage to Azerbaijan is a very bad sign for anyone who wants peace and prosperity instead of controlled chaos.
>>2515070Russia shot down the plane bro Ukrainians were nowhere near the flight path. It took Putin a full year before he applogized for the most obvious air defense malfunction in history.
>>2515070Why would Russia apologize and compensate for something Russia didn't do?
Ukrainian drones among causes of Azerbaijan plane crash – Putin>The Russian president has detailed the chain of events that caused a deadly 2024 incident involving an Azerbaijan Airlines flight<Putin said that AZAL flight 8243 was damaged “after Russian air defenses tracked three drones that crossed the Russian border on the night of the tragedy,” one of which “was in the air” at the time the civilian plane was hit.>“The second cause was technical malfunctions in the Russian air defense system. Two missiles were fired, but they did not strike the plane directly,” Putin added. He said the projectiles likely self-destructed some ten meters from the aircraft, which was “most likely was hit by debris rather than the submunitions” of a Russian interceptor.https://www.rt.com/russia/626134-plane-crash-azerbaijan-putin/Take that as you will, but
Azerbaijani president thanks Putin for ‘personal’ role in plane crash probe>The Azerbaijani president expressed “gratitude for the extensive information on the last year’s December tragedy,” adding that officials of the two nations have been in constant contact over the incident.<“You are personally keeping the investigation process under control and we have no doubt that it will establish all the facts in an unbiased manner,” he told Putin.https://www.rt.com/russia/626150-azerbaijani-president-thank-putin/it seems Baku is happy enough with the explanation, and compensation.
>>2514663Thought experiment: Imagine you're Putin and you have grave doubts about the condition (or maybe even the existence?) of your nuclear warheads. How would your actions over the past four years be different from real Putin's?
>>2514888>I think in abandoning "Great Man Theory" we also lose the ability to understand a chunk of what makes human society work the way it does.Or maybe call it the Colossal Bungler Hypothesis. We need a new theory of history here.
>>2514971>And I actually don't think he thinks that the west is in terminal decline, or at least the fact that Russia is so open to negotiations and does next to no retaliation - or is so cucked, as people here say - doesn't show that. There are many other reasons to do so, of course, but if you think your enemy is on the way down, there is no reason to talk about "renegotiatng relations" … It is also absolutely done to placate all the oligarchs who desperately want their Miami properties back or to project an image of peaceful intentions to other countries, but then it also creates lots of risks like projecting weakness and risking more NATO escalation.That might be right and I think the policy looks confused (and it probably is) and there's a zig-zag character to it. But the theory of Western terminal decline (the symptoms of which are also menacing… whether it's gender terrorism or riots or Charlie Kirk getting assassinated) can also provide Putin a justification to increase military and police power – and to increase military industrialization – without which Putin does not know how to rule, which flows from instinctive urges on his part as a Russian president driven by the necessities of his country's own past and present position. The Russian intervention in Crimea also substantially enhanced Putin's domestic prestige. But like Napoleon III who eventually led the French Second Empire to disaster, his ambitions might have outrun his competence. I say *might* because war is war, and he could still win this thing. But a big theme with Napoleon III is that a lot of his rule was about appearance and staging and spectacle to show him as a unifying figure "above society."
>>2515076>Why would Russia apologize and compensate for something Russia didn't do?Christcucktin strikes again!
>>2515118>you crossed the heckin red line we-we'll take off the gloves for real this time!*yawn*
>>2515145echoes of 2022-2024…
russia puts moderate strain on ukraine's energy and infra (see bloomberg article on strain on ukrainian gas)…
then suddenly stops with the attacks, trotting out the final warnings about decision-making centers, etc. with no follow-through…
all it's done is make the ukros gloat that russia is feeling the heat
>>2515149The gas shit is a weak cop-out for halting the electricity attacks. It sounds scary, but I remember an analysis last year that it's easier for Ukraine to import gas keep the gas system going than it is to do the same for the electricity.
>>2515076That's the point. Both sides have now agreed that the plane went down because of a Ukrainian drone attack. Aliev's reaction has been to express support for Ukraine right after this, so there is obviously no element of seeking justice here. They also arrested journalists and do Ukraine-inspired retardation like renaming Russian cities on their maps.
Azerbaijan's policy is mostly opportunistic, but recently they have been far more aligned with the imperialist world, going as far as to supposedly station American PMCs in the Zangezur corridor. The fact that neither Iran nor Russia managed to punish this behavior shows weakness that imperialists will no doubt try to exploit.
It could be done as part of some broader deal to make Azerbaijan lean away from the imperialist camp since Azerbaijani media seems to report it in the same terms instead of gloating, but it shows that being aggressive and aligning with imperialism works, at least it worked in this instance and now Russia just shows that it won't be doing shit about it. In other words, this is seriously bad news if you look at it in context.
>>2515118lol just imagine being a zigger cuck, dieing or losing your arms and legs for the cuck in chief.
>>2515118Russia's
FINAL WARNINGhas arrived everyone! Get ready for
NOTHINGto happen over the next month and for everyone to memory hole this super srs warning.
>>2514947tbf, it's collapsing all over the the front lines. Ukie have three major towns slipping away of their control.
>>2515118Wait…what???
Russia threatening to hit industrial enterprises as retaliation…meaning they haven't been attacking Ukrainian factories for this entire war so far?
WHAT THE FUCKSo Ukrainian industrial production has gone untouched for this entire war?
MIC conspriacy schizos might be right………….
>>2515178>Ukie have three major towns slipping away of their control.Russia retreats from other towns. That's why I started looking at yearly maps, not daily maps. Yearly maps cancel out all the minor fluctuations.
>>2515180>MIC conspriacy schizos might be right………….The scary thing for me is that it doesn't matter if the schizos are wrong, because the rules of engagement look precisely how they'd look if the schizos were right. Is it any comfort that there's no formal conspiracy but the war is being conducted as if there were? :-/
>>2515182>Russia retreats from other townsname them.
>>2515182The reason for the retreat is simple. They have the Ukraine move-in, then they bombard the fucking place.
The said thing, is that Ukraine keeps falling for that shit.
>>2515269pssh, yeah right.
the first flamingo flew, and was shot down, by a Buk.
the corruption scandal comes to no surprise. and their media is saying it isn't their because of the English language.
Truth is, the rocket is an amalgam of old AI-25 engines, that the soviet union produced barely 17 a month, and ukrainians claiming they produce 7 a DAY.
>The new Ukrainian long-range cruise missile "Flamingo" with a range of 3,000 km is being produced at a rate of approximately one per day, and by October this figure is planned to be increased to seven. https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-ato/4028005-ukraina-viroblae-po-odnij-raketi-flamingo-na-den-ar.htmlhowever, let's remind that the group behind the person running investigations of the whole Fire Point was sent to the front:
>>2513721and that Fire Point is a facade of people around zelya, where nobody in the highest positions are even in the military:
>CEO Iryna Terekh and manager Yehor Skalyha have backgrounds in show business, including Zelensky’s Kvartal 95 comedy studio.So we are going to see the first PR attacks in history. PR where the billing will yield enrichment of some, at the expenses of unchanging the balance on the front lines.
Meanwhile, the ukie government is highly desperate to get some tomahawks, to the point of declaring a nobel peace jihad if the US finally sends them tomahawks.
so begs the question:
is the nobel peace price an achievement that trump wants so bad, it'll ignite the delivery of tom-a-hawk-tuah? probably, because he wants so desperately to be obama.
>>2515180>Russia threatening to hit industrial enterprises as retaliation…meaning they haven't been attacking Ukrainian factories for this entire war so far?No you fucking retard
If I had five minutes to script the future, I'd have Zelensky receive the Nobel just to see Trump's meltdown. Yes, it does bother me that this is what a radlib would say, tho I think our motivations are different.
>>2514662>The core lava can still retain enough heat to melt through the floor of the containment building depending on the design/conditions.>That would lead to localised contamination of the water table.It would definitely be a mess but it would be a very contained mess, it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as something like Chernobyl where you have radioactive smoke billowing into the air and blowing all over Europe for 10 days. A meltdown isn't the catastrophic doomsday scenario people think it is, at least in terms of radiation contamination or explosions. The real damage would be the damage to the electrical infrastructure, causing blackouts and disarray, but if that's your goal it would be much more easy and effective to bomb defenseless soft targets like transmission lines and substations than the nuclear power plant, which is probably the hardest of targets.
>>2515320They do this once or twice a year and then get cold feet. Likewise with the energy attacks, which have potential if they're unrelenting, but so far have been cut way short of causing any lasting inconvenience.
>>2515296one important side note, in 2023, the ukies bragged that they were powering the Baykar Kizilelma drone engines.
with the same engines they claim they are producing 7 a day as per this date.
GIVAS if there's enough power for the fash metal concerts in kiev, there's no inconvenience…
>>2515341 (me)
>from Twitter, not me >>2515328I don't think it's them getting cold feet, but running out of ammunition. Keep in mind this war has dragged on for like a decade now and both sides are bankrupting their national economies and expending military resources far faster than they can replenish them.
>>2515352>running out of ammunitionBut the spam attacks against
ugly targets continue when they stop hitting the
sexy targets.
>>2515358whats the point in being a nice guy target when girls only like chad targets
I think the only successful attempts at attacking a nuclear reactor have been with infantry breaching and capturing the facility. Russia managed to capture the Zaporizhzhia plant in Ukraine during the initial big wave of the invasion, but since then both sides have heavily fortified their power plants and trying to capture them now would be suicide.
>>2515388Seems about right. Stagnant in Kherson and Zapo after the yuge retreat from Kherson. Gains primarily Russian dachas and slag heaps in Donetsk, albeit will need a longer timeline to rule out more yuge retreats.
I read somewhere that when the war first started, both Russia and Ukraine still had massive stockpiles of ammunition leftover from the Cold War years. I remember you used to be able to buy surplus Warsaw Pact guns and ammunition for dirt cheap back in the day because there was so much of it lying around. Now it's all long gone, they chewed through all that shit within like the first year of the war and have been running on fumes ever since. You know it's bad when Vladimir Putin is having to ask Kim Jung Un if he has any missiles to spare.
>>2515388>Institute for the study of war>AEI>Wallstreet journalyeah, bingo.
>>2515440[Russian] Artillery shell production reaches 10,000 daily
https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2025-09-25/155mm-artillery-round-contract-639-million-19217101.html>In July, Army spokesman Steve Warren said the service is turning out 40,000 shells per month, up from around 15,000 per month in 2022. Defense officials have noted a production goal of 100,000 rounds per month by mid-2026.Lol, lmao even.
>>2515456According to Estonian officials, Russia has fired an average of 10,000 shells a day over the course of the war, so if that figure is true they are expending them as fast as they can make them.
>produces a gazillion shells
<still can't beat a burgeroid proxy that happens to be the most corrupt country of europe
just one more million shells bro, one more billion shell will fix it
>>2515460I managed to find this from a year ago, but they're saying over the course of a week.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3907888-estonian-intelligence-about-strike-on-toropets-ukraine-destroyed-threemonth-supply-of-russian-ammunition.html
>"30,000 tonnes of explosive ordnance were detonated, which means 750,000 shells. If we take the average battle rate, the Russian Federation has fired 10,000 rounds a week. So that's two to three months' supply of ammunition. As a result of this attack, Russia has suffered losses in ammunition and we will see the impact of these losses on the front in the coming weeks," Kiviselg said. >>2515491Well, there's also this from 2023
https://militarnyi.com/en/news/dprk-hands-over-350-000-shells-to-russia/>“If we have seen so far that Russia fires about 10,000 shells in one day, then the amount of ammunition that North Korea has sent should be enough for a month and a half,” says Ants Kiviselg.And cnn copium about how Russia's economy performs better than the west's but eventually someday maybe, western production will have more "sustaining power[???]."
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
>Russia is producing about 250,000 artillery munitions per month, or about 3 million a year, according to NATO intelligence estimates of Russian defense production shared with CNN, as well as sources familiar with Western efforts to arm Ukraine. Collectively, the US and Europe have the capacity to generate only about 1.2 million munitions annually to send to Kyiv, a senior European intelligence official told CNN.
>The US military set a goal to produce 100,000 rounds of artillery a month by the end of 2025 — less than half of the Russian monthly output — and even that number is now out of reach with $60 billion in Ukraine funding stalled in Congress, a senior Army official told reporters last week.
>“What we are in now is a production war,” a senior NATO official told CNN. “The outcome in Ukraine depends on how each side is equipped to conduct this war.”
>Officials say Russia is currently firing around 10,000 shells a day, compared to just 2,000 a day from the Ukrainian side. The ratio is worse in some places along the 600-mile front, according to a European intelligence official. […]
>“If you can actually control the economy, then you can probably move a little bit faster than other countries out there,” Lt. Gen. Steven Basham, the deputy commander of US European Command, told CNN in an interview last week. But, he said, “the West will have more sustaining power.” Lmao
>>2515498So anyway, it seems like Russia works on 40K rules where it always is producing and using exactly as many shells as it needs to fit the narrative that soon it won't have any shells.
>>2515174Just so you know, "final chinese warning" meme was a gross misinterpretation of actual history. For example, Soviet "victory" at Daman island is disproven by merely looking at FACTUAL ownership of the island to this day
>>2515671I'll wait here for the "anti-campists" to post about how this shows that Kyiiiiv regime is doomed because they can't protect these assets.
>>2515601Excuse me that is the anti-Russist windmill of peace!
They've blurred it out now.
>>2515685If somebody doesn't get it, there was no secret protocol. It's all forgeries, and contents vary because there's no real sources
>>2515685Even if they were true who cares? The "secret pact" is just a basic bitch division of spheres of influence like every contemporary non-aggression pact.
>>2515408Ukraine destroyed most of their stockpiles (that they hadn't sold) in the '00s at the behest of the Americans. They had to be provided with Western 155mm artillery because the stockpile of Soviet 152mm shells lasted only a few weeks.
And no Russia didn't use all their artillery shells or unguided rockets up in the first year. The limitation was actually artillery barrels which need to be replaced after heavy use. That's why they were pulling T-55s/T-62s out of storage to use as ersatz artillery.
Guided missiles they did run low on because those are not something you can leave in a bunker for thirty years and pull it out expecting it to work.
>>2515296According to Wikipedia they pulled the AI-25 engines from storage and even aviation dumps. So 7 refurbished engines a day sounds less ludicrous.
>>2515688There was no division of spheres of influence. USSR WASN'T LIKE THE IMPERIALISTS.
So now that Cucktin finally hit Ukraine's energy infrastructure, what excuses will Ziggers make for the lack of big arrow advances? A Ukraine with zero power supply losing 1000 soldiers for every 1 Russian soldier (according to dead body exchanges which every Zigger assures me are totally legitimate) can somehow still stalemate Russia?
>>2515746>every victory is actually us winning Cope
>>2515599this is in line with other russian glowops in france which have been utter shit, they ain't sending their best while bankrolling the local zionazis for some reason. really don't get what they are trying to do here, they need a purge among their spooks and diplomats if you want my opinion.
>>2515756It reminds me of the start of the war when Russian glowies made street grafitti of Zelwnsky being a cockroach eating europe. There's something about being born in Russa that creates this huge cultural gap where they don't understand how to appeal to Westoids.
>>2515758I'm sure it goes both ways tbh
This war is just like when the Death Eaters invaded Hogwarts but a small and plucky group of student wizards successfully defended it 🥰🥰
>>2515756>>2515758It works pretty well - Chinese are also working with both far left and far right. They don't lobby the whole set of policies, they lobby specifically the military isolationism and economical openness
>>2515756They just copy Western glowops.
>>2515823>The piss water is spreading+10 morale boost for Donetsk.
If only Cucktin had done this 4 years earlier.
AHHH WHEN IS RUSSIA GOING TO WIN
FOUR FUCKING YEARS OF SHILLING FOR RUSSIA AND RUSSIA TAKES 1% OF LAND PER YEAR
ALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY LAUGH AT ME NOW FOR PROCLAIMING RUSSIA TO BE A STRONG NATION
EVERY FAMILY GATHERING OR FRIEND MEET UP INCLUDES AT LEAST 10 JOKES OF THEM MAKING FUN OF RUSSIANS
PUTIN HAS CRATERED HIS REPUTATION FROM KGB STRONGMAN TO COMPLETE IMBECILE IN JUST 4 YEARS
I NEED RUSSIA TO WIN SO I CAN STOP HEARING THE CONSTANT JOKES
PUTIN DO SOMETHING PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
if russia loses i'm going to rope i can't take it anymore
imagine getting BTFO by a jew who steals millions of dollars from aid packages and isn't even seriously fighting this war i can't handle it
it's like a humiliation ritual every year watching russia take 0.8% of ukraine
Day 1.325 of the 3 day SMO
1/25 Ukrainian regions occupied
1.1 million ziggers dead and wounded
Pidrila pederation prolapsing
Bolshies still rim the anusses of fascists 90 years later
Total zigger death
Total sovok death
>>2515746A) nafo nafo nafo transhumanist transhumanist transhumanist
B) nooook ook ook
C) hehe we actually wanted to destroy our country as quickly as possible by supporting fascism so to bring about the socialist revolution, right cumrades? This is 5d leftoid chess, you wouldn't understand
>>2516039Putin isn't Soviet though. He literally used his war declaration speech to talk about how shitty Lenin was and how Ukraine only exists because Bolsheviks formed the Ukrainian nation.
Russia is right wing.
>>2516043Yes if Russia nuked Ukraine the war would already be over and your cities would be ash. He should have done it but Putin is weak and unwilling to smack you all back into the graveyards you crawled out of. Hopefully he loses this war and gets replaced by a socialist who will send all you retarded Banderites back to hell.
>>2516065>Hopefully he loses this war and gets replaced by a socialistnever gonna happen, in fact amongst things i know cannot happen, this is one of them, there are no communists in russia, what there are though, are skeleton parties with effectively zero legitimacy
>>2516039cope and seethe lol hows the recruitment drive going
>>2516127That's meaningless, over 50% of young people in the UK say they prefer socialism over capitalism but nothing has happened because that's not how politics works
>>2516127how many of these people are willing to do anything for it? how many communist activists are there in russia? i don't mean "there are literally zero communists in russia" i mean there is no actual communist movement or party in russia, either puppets or skeletons, and the few that exist are beaten into submission
>>2516130also this as well
>>2516130>That's meaninglessNo, u
>>2516130>>2516140Western membership of communist parties is trash, this is cope to be like
>Okay the KPRF is the second biggest party in Russia and unlike the vast majority of post-Soviet states hasn’t done de-communisation re-nazification and unlike the vast majority of lib-left western parties has never tried to equate Stalin or Lenin to Hitler, but that’s all irrelevant! Oh but I suppose that only matters if you’re not
>A. Denying the obvious fascism surrogate injected into societies undergoing de-communisation as that’s Russian propaganda
>B. Saying ackshually it’s praxis to agree with the Green Parties that the USSR was just Nazi Germany but with sickles, or even believing that sentiment entirely
Finnish MPs to practice sheltering in basement – media>MPs will conduct training exercises in an underground bunker next month, citing the supposed threat from Russia<Putin noted that the two Nordic states had “lost the benefits of their neutral status” by joining the US-led bloc, and said the decision has needlessly undermined regional stability without enhancing their security.https://swentr.site/news/626200-finland-parliament-bunker-exercise/Finland reaping the benefits of the
DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE >>2516043>hehe we actually wanted to destroy our country as quickly as possible by supporting fascism so to bring about the socialist revolution, right cumrades? This is 5d leftoid chess, you wouldn't understandthis but unironically
>>2515752>attacking civilian infrastructurethis post glows
>>2516247I’ll tell you what’s not glowing, Kiev.
>>2516249>I’ll tell you what’s not glowing, Kiev.this post doesn't glow
ChampSoc has terrible impersonators. They're too fazed to make believable posts.
Lmao I see the Muscovite fascists have decided to switch to the strategy of bombing themselves to confuse the enemy
Let's see if it works out for them.
Heil Putin!
>>2516249Hello to Lahta, pay still good enough to buy a lada in two years comrade?
>>2516287Muscovites have confusedly bombed out Kyiv's electricity
>>2516287Meanwhile a explosives factory in the US exploded
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/explosion-tennessee-accurate-energetic-systems/Why are the nafoturds such masochists? Lmao
>>2516155yes, but to act as if there's an actual communist movement in russia is fucking laughable, russia doesn't do decommunization because they realized they could turn these symbols into a chauvinist imagery, mentioning the KPRF as if they're an actual party that exists is even more so
>>2516304Russia doesn't do decommunization because 1) China says to stop doing this shit 2) Russia has finally realized that admitting to shit Soviets didn't do doesn't improve USSR's successor state's international standing and instead increases debts and gives your enemies ammo to use against you
>>2516296This is not fair. Only AMURICA can attack ammo depots!!!!
Somebody call the ADL! This is antisemitic!!!
>>2515446Yeah and? Do they even need to fake the miserable russian results?
>>2516308>China says to stop doing this shitproof? and also i don't think china gives a shit either way, it's the reason i already mentioned, they doublespeak like when in 2022 putin went on that rant about how ukraine was invented by lenin and the rest of the bolsheviks, and then simultaneously promote the use of soviet symbology and the like for chauvinist ends, joseph stalin is beloved in russia, not for being a communist, but because he's a "great leader" and so on, and is then turned into a mythological hero on par with any of the others in russian nationalist mythology, and also your point about it "increasing debts" and "gives your enemies ammo to use against you" is strange but it doesn't matter
>>2516326What he means is that they subtly stated not to dismantle institutions and personnel that tend toward breaking with the Soviet past. Compared with the decommunization efforts of the other former constituents of the Eastern Bloc and the Soviet Union, it has been restricted to half-measures, if conducted at all.
Kinda like China wont let go of Hong Kong and Taiwan. Because it the end, it does make you look weak.
>>2516296>n-no youPathetic. Fascist dogs are terrified of the idiocy of their precious regime being shown on full display.
Let's hope they accidentally nuke themselves next
>>2516304>Yes, butStopped reading there.
>>2516361you are literally deflecting from the point by trying to make it about "what about le hecking communist movements in the west? aren't they dead too?" which is something i implicitly acknowledged in the first post, fuck you, and fuck your entire family
Ziggers will raise VAT on the poor and confirmed today that the rich won't pay a kopek more Hahaha hahahaha
Leftypol ziggers in shambles
All of you are fucking rightoid fash scum
Ru govt: Bankrupt the proles, slaughter them in the fields of Ukraine, the rich need their smuggled iPhones
Leftypol: oh yes please master Putin your boot is so delicious to slobber over thank you for this generosity
>>2516362The legacy of communism is considerably more protected in Russia than anywhere else in Europe that goes hand-in-hand with having the communist party being its second biggest party, that’s what you were Yes, But’ing, so I don’t care what was beyond that point lmao
>>2516382one good point but mostly wrong
>>2516399It’s not wrong though, that’s why there was a “yes” before the “but”
>>2516376so… zigger just mean russian now?
its always funny to see the mindbroken nafoids try to find new attacks though, they dont understand us at all so their attempts are so off the mark you cant help but laugh
>>2516358Cry about it, bitch boy.
19+ fat burger retards dead LMAO
>>2516458Tbh I'm into it, giving Trump the Nobel Peace Prize would piss off exactly the right kind of people who are incidentally the same people who think it's of any real worth.
Trump snubbed for Nobel Peace Prize>US-backed Venezuelan opposition figure Maria Corina Machado has won this year’s awardhttps://swentr.site/news/626186-nobel-peace-prize-venezuela/He's fucked it big time.
>>2516473The Putin ass-kissing cringe would be worth it if Zelensky got pressed into awkward situations, but our praxis isn't strong enough to make it happen. Like with Putin's comments about Trump having the 2020 election stolen from him, that would be totally worth it if someone then asked Zelensky on the spot whether Trump won the 2020 election. Zelensky's Dem support base wouldn't tolerate anything but an unequivocal no, yet that's not a good answer when dealing with Trump.
Ziggerlovers mad. They pretend to be communists yet love russian fascism above everything
>>2516492It puts Trump in awkward situations, because of Russiagate and the fact there is a lot of lawfare going on between the two sides over defamation and shit, while Putin is on the side singing Trump's praises is actually quite funny when you abstract it from any implications it may have on the conflict.
>>2516501Abstracted from the conflict, I agree it's hilarious in that there's an insult behind the flattery, the insult being that Russia doesn't regard Trump as anything more than a manchild who responds to flattery.
>>2516296>Accurate Energetic SystemsWait, why does that sound familiar?
https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2025-09-25/155mm-artillery-round-contract-639-million-19217101.html>Tuesday’s statement also included a contract award of nearly $120 million to Accurate Energetic Systems of McEwen, Tenn., for procurement of TNT, a primary component in the high explosive rounds.Lol, lmao. So much for that. Just more evidence that the US trying to up production is an uphill battle at best after decades of deskilling, infrastructure depletion, and curtailing of government oversight. Dump all the money you want into it, but you can't just buy your way to superpower status.
>>2516508Like Trump doesn't
really want to be considered as on Putin's side despite paying lip service to "getting on with him" and the Democrats don't
really want to tarnish US democracy as compromised alongside their attempt at tarnishing Trump as compromised, Russiagate was an objectively stupid idea to introduce into US politics because it does allow Putin the "power" to play the role of evil villain who has made the outcome of US elections questionable, for literally no reason.
That being said, bringing it back to the current situation and the implications, is it the time to ring that bell? The best that could be said with Biden is he's clearly got dementia and isn't it ironic that in the 80s it was the Republican stance that the Russians are the evil empire, so there wasn't much to play with there since no one in the US cares about either, especially not Democrats.
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1o3d7nn/a_russian_soldier_recorded_the_moment_a_ukrainian/I want you rah-rah, waiter-waiter-more-dead-proles-please cowards to watch this video. Watch the actual consequences of war. Watch the horror and fear and sadness in this soldiers eyes as he waits for the inevitable to happen. Because it's coming soon to you as well. You rubbernecking scum won't be so smug when the war comes home. There is only one war that communists must support, the class war.
>>2516678So why do you want nato to exterminate the Russians and Chinese
>>2516678you seem upset, and obsessed by the posters of this thread, maybe you shouldnt invest yourself so much into a war that is just an interimperialist war? caring so much will make it even more painful when russia eventually win and defeat your loved nato backed nazis
>>2516500cheering for any side of this shitshow is cringe asf
>>2515700they sold most of the engines back in the day to Russia. at most they could have a hundred or so.
>>2516678Keep my ideology our your
fucking mouth.
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/smart-gas-station-or-how-russia-became"Ukraine has destroyed Russian oil industry" debunked, despised, defenestrated.
>>2516130>>2516140You're right to point out limitations but it's not meaningless. Socialism in young westerners reflects disillusionment with the global system, which is remarkable on its own. The same can be said about post community countries cooling on compromising with the West as its promise of democratic peace and prosperity fail. Harsher capitalist realities are being revealed.
Keep in mind for the longest time this was like resisting the inevitable and chaining yourself. To be a communist in the West was to embrace poverty and to reject the West outside of it was to shackle to the past. This has totally inverted and that's at the heart of the Ukraine war
>>2516678>You rubbernecking scum won't be so smug when the war comes home. That's exactly what we want. We want the Western bloc to finally meet its match and burn. We want the US and EU etc to fight and destroy themselves.
Any actual communist understands the necessity of revolutionary defeatism.
>There is only one war that communists must support, the class war.Which can't be won by the proletariat until the Western bloc burns.
>>2516500Oh how desperately you want to change that Z to an N. Pathetic how the mods allow you racists to post.
>>2516981What Western country do you live in? I'm not from a Western country myself, but I can clearly see WW3 is coming. No country is safe. That's why I'm anti war. Not anti-"only imperialist war". But anti all wars but class war.
>>2516986>you can have a 1917 without a 1914Nope.
>inb4 1917 wasn't real class warThen none of the were. It never existed. And never will.
>>2517008Catastrophism is good for communism, but only if used properly as propaganda, I.e. being AGAINST it. The current left is more about celebrating war rather than actually being anti war
>>2515615Putin read my post on /leftypol/ comparing him to Napoleon III and decided he had to restore his reputation with a strike in Ukraine's energy infrastructure. Winter is coming and it's important to send a message to the Ukrainians they'll freeze this winter.
>>2516127>there are no communists in russia,>Recent polling suggests otherwise.They'll come back.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91420499/assad-gamer-moscow-putinNow, in a surreal cyberpunk twist, according to a report in German newsweekly Die Zeit, the former dictator is largely holed up in a luxury high-rise in Moscow, where he routinely spends hours playing online video games.
Assad, who practiced as a physician and was reportedly thought of as “geeky” during his medical training years, also appears to enjoy stunning views of Moscow landmarks from his apartment, and has access to a villa outside the city. He also reportedly makes occasional visits to a shopping mall below his apartment. Assad apparently resides in Russia under President Vladimir Putin’s protection, according to Die Zeit.
Assad succeeded his father, Hafez al-Assad, as president of Syria in 2000. Despite there being initial hopes for reform, Bashar al-Assad ultimately presided over a brutal crackdown on dissent and a 13-year civil war, in which his Russian-backed forces were accused of deploying chemical weapons and bombarding the civilian population with so-called barrel bombs.
The German publication didn’t specify what video games the former Syrian leader enjoys, nor whether he plays against online opponents who might be unaware of his identity.
He probably plays that Syrian warfare game
Bashneft-UNPZ refinery in Ufa status?
>>2516492>>2516473>>2516458>The Putin ass-kissing cringe would be worth it if Zelensky got pressed into awkward situationsThis is literally what happened, dogs. Zelensky said they would support Trumpfbl getting the Nobel Piss Prize if he
GIVAS them Tomahawks. After the prize was given to Vuvuzelan glowie lady, Putin just says that Trump was more worthy – objectively true, albeit both are ridiculous choices.
In any case, the perspective you guys seem to be missing is this:
Award goes to CIA incubator lady (representing the le deep state) vs. Drunxpf who has been fucking with the establishment (CIA, NED, etc)…
The Nobel commity basically reaffirmed that: US status qou good, fucking with it: bad.
I think Putin just very diplomatically hinted the opposite.
That's my 2 cents, anyway.
>>2517225They never could stop 94%, though. From the get go patriot has shown itself to be a joke
"""anti-campists""" when NATO expansion is thwarted by war:
>THINK ABOOT THEM DEAD PROLES!!!
"""anti-campists""" when NATO expansion or CIA-backed color revolutions succeed:
>THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!!
Wen the same color-rev eventually and inevitably become a shitfest:
>AT LEAST THEY OVERTHREW AN ANTI-LGBT AUTHORITARIAN DICTATOR
etc.
This is the so called "Western left."
>>2517229Also, reading Stalin, I've come across Stlain's characterization of Berlin-Rome-Tokyo axis as "aggressive bloc" and Britain-France-USA as "conservative bloc": former aimed at expansion, latter at protecting their ill-gotten gains. If projecting on today, NATO is the aggressive bloc, Russia is defending against NATO expansion
>>2517229Show me examples of communist anti campists supporting CIA color revolutions
>>2517243Ukraine (2014)
Kazakhstan (2022)
Belarus (2020)
Georgia (right now)
Kenya (right now)
Syria (2011-2024)
Libya (2011)
Hong Kong (2019-2020)
>>2517243I've been on leftypol from the very beginning. 8ch days, etc. '''Westo-leftoids'’' continue to SOUP-port every CIA op from Syria, through Lybia, to Ukraine.
Literally this just happened:
>x years ago: long live Rojava, fuck Assad!!>Now: "ex-"ISIS takes over, Assad ousted… NOW WE NEED TO LAY DOWN OUR ARMSFUCK. YOU. ALL. OF. YOU. >>2517251Uhm, now can you compile me a list that doesn't include historical facts please, so I can continue to live in my CIA/CNN bubble, please?
>>2517257>>2517251So those are glowies pretending to be anticampists but real communists don't support any bourgeois regime
>>2517257also: (ongoing:) Serbia
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Europe is unsalvageable from their fascism. Nuke Ukraine. Nuke Europe. Nuke them all and let Lukashenko sort out the survivors.
>>2517262Your antiquated and ahistorical "anti-campism" automatically supports the Imperial Core, you drooling, pathetic, useful-idiot retard.
>>2517270Anti-Campism doesn't "support" anyone besides the workers - which is the only group Communists should ever support, you unhinged nationalist fascist retard.
>>2517287why the fuck does a 12 year old have a position on the war, let alone enough to wear this gay hat in public? wtf lmfao.
>>2517287>Z symbol with Russian Federation flag instead of a Soviet Union flagFascist detected. I hope a Ukrainian FPV drone blows him up.
>>2517296unfortunately that may easily be a 16-20 year old
>>2517270based
>>2517285cringe and retarded
>>2517306Why isnt he on the trences getting droned already?
>>2517299How can you be a leftist in Ukraine?
>>2516817I am bookmarking the article.
>>2516817From the guy writing this:
"And therefore, our country can be called a genius in this regard. We were so driven for success that as soon as the opportunity arose, we immediately broke into the global market and began to develop at a furious pace."
>>2517326>crimethinclol. lmao. nobody outside of NA takes those freaks seriously. there is no way you are a ukrainian. shut up american.
>>2517350i remember reading that site at like age 13 and even then it made me cringe. i can't even imagine how bad it is now.
>>2517316because you are either samefagging or being bamboozled.
there's no "leftism" in ukraine.
the only thing left is liberals siding with banderism-nazism or nazism.
>>2517285>NATO=WORKERS>THE MOST ANTI-COMMUNIST FORCE IN HISTORY=THE REAL MOVEMENTcover yourself in diesel and light yourself, plz
>>2517368>liberals, banderism-nazism, or nazism.Corporate is asking what the difference between these three things are
https://tempestmag.org/2025/04/ukrainian-anarchists-fighting-imperialism-and-building-mutual-aid-in-wartime/>The war in Ukraine has exposed the failures of much of the Western Left, which too often views the conflict through geopolitical abstraction rather than the lived struggle of those resisting imperialism. Anton and his comrades fight because the alternative is occupation, repression, and death. “We don’t have the luxury of debating self-defense,” Anton said. “That question was answered when the first bombs fell.” Dismissing Ukraine’s resistance as a proxy war is not anti-imperialism; it is complicity in Russia’s colonial violence.>If Ukraine loses, it won’t be oligarchs who suffer—it will be workers, anti-authoritarians, feminists, queers, trade unionists, and activists, the very people the Western left claims to support. Solidarity cannot be conditional on ideological purity or academic debates about imperialism. It must be practical, material, and immediate. >>2517410Where were these guys when the Kiev regime was shelling the Donbass for the first decade or so of this war?
>>2517387>dieselNothing will happen, difficult to fire up, it will easily go off.
>>2517410yeah no, NATO dogs cant get my sympathy. If they were not going full EU/NATO bullshit I would agree.
>>2517410yeah, ask "anton" when the first ukrainian bombs felt inside Donbas where did he side in that moment? if he sided with le wholesome anti-imperialist ukraine or with the opressing people of Donbas.
it's always the same with these people: self-determination for my state department enemies, heck yeah wholesome precious people, self-determination for my state department allies,
FUCK NO Pidors are being bombed and naebdy gives a fuck
Destroy all of mosKKKow to clean Europe of fascism
>>2517223Nothing happened here cumrade, how dare you question the superiority of RuZZian air defenc? To the SMO with you. Carry some anal lube for reasons.
>>2517478>>2517483That's a lot of butthurt
Why does the Muscovite regime keep terror bombing the Belhorod People's Republic? Where is the outrage on so-called leftypol?
The Ukrainian pretext
Looking for the causes of the new crisis on the eastern borders of Ukraine, it is impossible not to take into account the context in which it occurred. The economic crisis affecting the main countries of the world presses on the various actors, making their moves all the more bold and awkward.
In the last months of last year, Russia began to amass a large amount of men and military assets on the border with Ukraine. Western sources speak of more than 100,000 heavily armed men. Military maneuvers are taking place in the north, in Belarus, and in the south, in Crimea.
Faced with protests from the government in Kiev and its Western allies, who cry danger of invasion, Russia responded that these are normal exercises within its territories and that there is no plan to penetrate the Ukraine.
The improbability of war would be confirmed by the climate among the high spheres in Moscow. Il manifesto" of January 15 reports Everyone in Moscow knows the risks of an open war in a country with 45 million inhabitants, and the repercussions it would have, first of all on internal stability. They are aware of the men of the military apparatus as well as those of the political establishment Putin, interested in defending relationships and even privileges built over time with European countries.
Also the Italian General Leonardo Tricarico, former Chief of Staff of the Air Force, in a recent interview to RAI said that "it is not the Russians to encircle NATO but the opposite (…) [Russian troops] are not ready for any invasion. They participate in maneuvers in Belarus, and even in patrols in the Mediterranean, but the Russian troops threatening the Ukrainian border are a pressure, certainly risky, to reiterate that the entry of the country into NATO would be unacceptable".
The Encirclement of Russia
The Kremlin’s showdown did not come as a bolt from the blue; been thunder for a long time. As Sylwia Zawadzka wrote ("Strategic Observatory" No. 4, 2020), "Beginning in 2014, the strategic direction of the Russian military effort shifted decisively from the Caucasus, Turkey, the Near East and Iran to the regions directly bordering Ukraine and Crimea, and this was joined, since about 2016, by the northwest direction i.e., the Kaliningrad enclave, which was further militarized to counter Allied action in the Baltics".
This decision was due to the so-called "encirclement syndrome" that arose in Russian leadership circles due to NATO’s expansionist policy in the decades following the disintegration of the USSR.
Back in 2007 Putin had expressed Russia’s opposition to the military activism of the United States and allies, in the former Yugoslavia, in the Middle East, etc., but especially for the expansion of NATO to the east. During the Munich Security Conference held that year, the Russian president voiced Moscow’s strong concerns: "I think it is obvious that the expansion of NATO has no relation to the modernization of the Alliance itself or to ensuring security in Europe. On the contrary, it represents a serious provocation that reduces the level of mutual trust. And we have the right to ask: against whom is this expansion directed? And what happened to the assurances made by our Western partners after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact? Where have those statements gone today? Does no one remember them anymore?". Rhetorical questions of a president trying to bring Russia back to the status of an imperialist power.
These NATO moves were also criticized by US politicians. As early as February 1997, diplomat George F. Kennan, a theorist of the Soviet Union’s post-World War II containment policy, wrote in the "New York Times" an article entitled "The Fatal Mistake" in which he expressed the opinion that "the expansion of NATO would be the most fatal mistake of American policy in the entire postwar era. Such a decision can be expected to inflame nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian public opinion; to have a negative effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the Cold War atmosphere in East-West relations; and to push Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking".
The former diplomat highlighted the fact that an aggressive NATO policy, if it would have weakened Russia from the point of view of military deployments, would, however, have strengthened the regime internally by giving voice and strength to patriotic and nationalist anti-Western positions.
United States v. Germany
But evidently the United States had no choice. In the general crisis of the imperialist order that followed the fall of the USSR, a crisis that continues to this day, there was less and less room for a policy of détente or simple containment. In the event that the countries of Eastern Europe were not incorporated into NATO and the European Union, they were destined to end up once again either under the influence of Russia or, even worse for Washington, of Germany, a danger that the United States did not want to run.
NATO has therefore had to physically occupy the space between Berlin and Moscow, with the aim, as "Limes" wrote in November 2019, "The new Iron Curtain", of "denying the resurgent German nationalism (…) d’intendersi one day with Russia. As has been the case for centuries between two powers, forced by proximity and power relations to come to terms (…) The obsession with Germany is, moreover, a characteristic feature of American strategic culture. For one hundred and two years, since the intervention in the First World War against the Wilhelminian empire, it has informed the approach to Europe".
Germany, one of the major economic powers in the world and the largest in Europe, still lacks an army of a weight corresponding to its strength on world markets, but with its industrial and technical apparatus it could soon become a power again, including a nuclear power. Today it is an ally of the United States, but in perspective it could become one of its most formidable competitors.
The Ukrainian crisis pits the United States and Russia against each other, but it mainly affects Germany and Europe, both from the point of view of trade with Russia and for Russian energy supplies, which still represent more than 40% of the gas and oil imported by the EU. It is Germany and Italy that have the largest economic and trade relationships with Russia and would lose the most if sanctions were taken against it. The negative impact on the U.S. economy would be much less, in fact they might even benefit.
The United States has made no secret, despite the agreements made with Bonn, that one of its objectives is to block Nord Stream 2, the new pipeline linking Russia to Germany, worried about the EU’s growing dependence on Russian gas. "It is very difficult to think that the Nord Stream pipeline will become operational in the event that Russia renews its aggression against Ukraine", repeated U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman on January 12.
And it was the US that proposed to supplant Russian gas supplies to Europe with liquefied gas from the US and Qatar. According to data provided by "The Press" on February 5, "In January, natural gas shipments to Europe (at least half of which came from America) exceeded natural gas imports from Russia".
A bold move ?
Why did Moscow decide on such a risky step in these uncertain times due to the pandemic and the economic crisis?
The Russian government wanted to exhibit this show of strength at a time of internal difficulty caused by an economic crisis, which has led to the decrease of wages and pensions, causing widespread discontent among workers, but also in the small and middle class. Shifting the focus to external threats against the Great Mother, and perhaps seizing some successes in foreign policy, as happened in 2014 with the occupation of Crimea, would certainly lead to a strengthening of the regime.
In addition to this, it must be considered that in recent years the Ukrainian army has been strengthened thanks to substantial supplies of weapons from the United States and other NATO members, including the restless Turkey that has provided the UAVs, and also thanks to the sending of hundreds of military advisors, mainly American and British. Moscow’s fear is that this new situation will push the Ukrainian government, which is already implementing a severe policy against the Russian minority still present in the country, to try to reconquer the Donbass region where in recent years the clashes have never ceased in a creeping war that seems to have left 14,000 dead on the ground.
Moreover, the possible entry of Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, as foreseen by the Budapest summit in April 2008, would put Russia in an unsustainable situation of weakness that would certainly have negative repercussions on Putin’s government as well. In the press conference at the end of the year, Vladimir Putin said it clearly: "A further expansion of NATO towards the East is unacceptable"; "the West comes with its missiles to our doorstep"; "they keep telling us: war, war, war, but there is the impression that, perhaps, they are the ones preparing the third military operation in Ukraine".
A united Europe does not exist
The diplomatic crisis has also highlighted the deep divisions that exist between European countries. On one side is Germany, with France and Italy. On the other, Poland and the Baltic countries with the now external support of Great Britain, a bloc that represents the long arms of the United States over the EU. Against this opposition, France has re-proposed its plan for the creation of a "European security system", uncoupled from NATO. In fact Europe, despite the Euro, does not exist as a military power because it lacks a unitary political direction and armed forces.
We have repeatedly said that there will never be a real unity of Europe, the conflicts of interest between the different States are too strong, and that only the proletariat will be able to give life to a Europe without countries and borders.
This crisis has also exacerbated the contrasts that had already exploded in the allied field, in France and Germany but also in Italy, with the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, of which they had been kept in the dark until the last moment, or the stipulation of the AUKUS pact in the Pacific between the USA, Great Britain and Australia, without the knowledge of France and Germany with the consequent cancellation of the supply of French submarines to Australia replaced by US nuclear submarines.
Russia is not the first enemy for the USA
In this crisis, the US has been the most decisive among the countries of the Atlantic Alliance in opposing Russia and has demonstrated, once again, to use it as an instrument to defend its economic interests and to reassert its grip on Europe. Washington has sought to monopolize negotiations with Moscow, excluding or overshadowing European allies and Ukraine itself. President Biden has given almost for certain the war by imposing the withdrawal of U.S. personnel from the Embassy in Kiev, followed by Britain and Australia, to the point that the governments of the major NATO powers have had to reassure public opinion by declaring their unwillingness to send troops to fight in Ukraine in case of Russian invasion and the Ukrainian president himself had to say publicly that there is no danger of imminent war.
But Russia is certainly not the danger for the United States, it represents today a regional imperialism, even if it maintains a formidable military industrial apparatus and an arsenal, especially nuclear, of all respect. As economic potential Russia can now be compared to Switzerland and in the annual military expenditure there is no comparison with the two superpowers, the United States and China. Moscow in 2020 spent about 62 billion dollars in weapons, the U.S. well 13 times as much, 778 billion dollars, and China 252 billion, 4 times.
China is the real strategic enemy of the United States, engaged as it has been for years in an increasingly open clash over Taiwan and the South China Sea. Well, Beijing has taken advantage of the Ukrainian crisis to strengthen its ties with Moscow and has not missed the opportunity to turn this diplomatic and military confrontation in the heart of Europe to its advantage. It showed this time solidarity with Russia. During Putin’s visit to Beijing on the occasion of the Olympics, the two countries reached new agreements for "trade and military cooperation, investments and understandings from energy to space, development of new financial instruments to enhance and protect their respective currencies at the expense of the dollar" ("Il Sole 24 Ore", February 4). They have also presented a project for "a new era" in international relations, based on multilateralism, which translated means unhinging the world hegemony of the United States.
In particular, these new agreements explicitly include the two allies’ opposition to Ukraine’s inclusion in NATO and reconfirmation that Taiwan is "an integral part" of China. Finally, opposition was expressed to the new AUKUS military pact between the USA, Great Britain and Australia. China thus proves to be a major player in the Ukraine game as well.
The imperialist order wavers
The diplomatic whirlwind that in recent weeks has involved not only Russia and the United States, but also the European Union, for what it is worth, Germany and France, Italy itself, and ambiguous Turkey, confirm that a world order, the one that since the fall of the USSR has seen the United States dominate the world, no longer exists. The great power can no longer maintain order and control, from Central Asia to Africa to the Middle East. Alliances are less and less solid and the changes of front are sudden. But the infamous regime of capital won’t be able to find a new balance if not through a new devastating world imperialist slaughter.
A mad arms race in the run-up to war
This descent into the precipice of war is confirmed by the growing arms race, which does not spare even the smallest States, even though only fifteen imperialist States monopolize the production, use and trade of weapons. This race is fueled by a feeling of inevitability of war. Evident is the hypocrisy of international diplomacy that distinguishes between war of aggression and defense, between unjust and just. The former would always be condemned, the latter blessed by States and Churches. This distinction, in the current bourgeois regime of rancid imperialism, has no correspondence with reality.
In the by now chronic economic crisis, of ever more evident contention for resources, energy and raw materials, but in many regions of the world also agricultural products and water, war is permanent. All capitalisms are actually "attacked", decrepit, by their convulsions of death. The regime of capital is at permanent war with humans; it dedicates most of the planet’s resources to the manufacture of useless or harmful goods. It produces weapons out of all proportion to defend itself, for the defense of this social order based on exploitation, misery, and war.
>>2514971>>2514860The advantage Putin has is that even though the West has a larger economy than Russia, Russia has more heavy industry and real military manufacturing, and this is actually increasing due to Putin mobilizing Russia's economy. Putin understands that this advantage allows Russia to win a war of attrition allowing him to dictate terms in Ukraine.
>>2517662Why would I be mad at a retard?
>>2517667Cos you're crying?
>>2517410>it will be workers, anti-authoritarians, feminists, queers, trade unionists, and activiststhe same ones that were getting fucked and burned alive by the nato backed nazis? why would their situation be worse under russia?
>colonialnafotards really like destroying the meaning of words
>>2517681Ziggers are even worse pretending that they aren't imperialists
>>2517668There there lil guy have a hankey to wipe away your tears
Why are you crying anyway? Because you finally realised storeshittistahn is not special, or is it a wypipo losing white supremacy thing, or the stock market?
>asking to join nato themselves
<nato: let's bomb the shit out of yugoslavia
>so the remaining partitioned countries are all on our sphere of influence.
are nafocels for real?
>>2517700 (me)
forgot the flag.
>>2517694Why are you setthing so much? Didn't fascist russia win the wa- sorry SMO a few years ago?
>>2517705Ukraine must be losing pretty badly for you to be this way
>>2517708Still crying nazi?
>>2517713Yeap Ukraine must be losing bad, what happened recently blackouts?
>>2517717Did you get raped again?
>>2517718That was a long time ago
>>2517705no one seethes at your retarded crap, nafo.
in the meantime you try to b8 the thread, remember to ask your wife's boyfriend to refund you the 2023 summer Crimean vacation tickets you bought, before the she gets into labor from the her boyfriend's baby.
>inb4 muh projectiononly libcucks with derangement problems come here to pretend to be leftists or communists and lecture other people's reasonings with memes that aren't even historically accurate.
>>2517720>all that nazi seetheohohoho
Just remember that when you eventually kill yourself that you deprive your family of rubbles
>>2517717 (me)
>>2517718 (not me)
>>2517719 (not me)
Fascinating
>>2517728>>2517717 (me)
>>2517718 (not me)
>>2517719 (not me)
>>2517727 (me)
>>2517728 (not me)
Absolutely fascinating
Looks like ziggahs are planning a Battle of the Bulge against Eesti in the last dying gasps of russich fascism.
https://bsky.app/profile/maks23.bsky.social/post/3m2wx26g2pc2qZ!
>>2517637Because NATO takes over their government via NGO's and corrupt politicians and makes them join it. Literal domino theory but this time it is real.
>>2517254At this point this should be regulated as "gambling" because it absolutely is gambling. Not a fan of regulations, but I don't want retards to shoot themselves. I am under the impression some of these fags are over-leveraged and they took out loans and now they are in deep shit.
>>2517265There's a whole thread arguing about whether it's a color revolution or not
>>2188245In my opinion it's obviously not a color revolution, unless you use a dumb definition of color revolution.
>>2517762You know that's a Ukranian soldier, right?
Fuck we get the shittiest trolls in here. Dumb as fuck and annoying.
>>2517762oh, would you like at that, you post unironically a nazi symbol to make a point, and got called a retard for posting an ukrainian soldier. who's seething, boyo?
>>2517767>>2517770that clearly is a russian soldier
proofz:
- No obnoxious Telegram logo covering the screen
- soldier is already injured and panicking since ukrainians love playing with their food
- camera is super zoomed in on his face because again ukrainians are psychos who derive enjoyment from the looks of fesr their drones create
- no blue armband on either arm of the soldier
conclusion: just another video of a zigger grtting fucked
>>2517772Literal cope lmao, it's from a Russian tg channel back in March 2023
>no blue armbandThere's no armband of any kind from the 3 faggots that got droned in the video but I guess Russians wear mm-14 jackets now?
Like I said, dumb as fuck and annoying.
>>2516678>You rubbernecking scum won't be so smug when the war comes home. It already has.
>Brand new graves are already ready near Dnipropetrovsk for the recently busified Ukrainians
>>2517779the nafo believes that a cropped zoomed in video, with a nazi body position is wholesome smartsie. poor nafo isn't getting his Crimea 2023 summer vacation ticket refunded.
>>2517795>posting videos from 2023meanwhile every day ukrainians post videos of ziggers getting raped by drones
>>2517795You can tell that vid is Ukrainian because there aren't corpses littered everywhere and abandoned because Ukrainian soldiers are looked after and get relieved. Here's what a destroyed zigger assault looks like.
The life of a zigger is literally priceless.
nafoid status?
>>2517637>Why would those countries want to join nato?<Because of the threat of Russian aggression! >Oh, that sounds serious. What aggressive actions has Russia taken? <It attacked Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, and invaded Crimea!>Wait a second, Chechnya? That's part of Russia. How is that evidence of Russian aggression? <Well–>And now that I think about it, Georgia was the one that attacked the Russians, right? <Yeah but–>And in Syria they were there at the invitation of Syria's legitimate government, to deal with rebels armed and supported by the US government. The same government that was working with Assad during the early days of the War of Terror.<Okay fine but>I'll cop to Crimea being a pretty aggressive act on the surface of it, but they voted to become part of Russia. In fact Crimea had voted to separate from Ukraine in the 90s, and Ukraine just ignored them. You could say that Kiev had been occupying Crimea for the past 25 years. <Well, okay, but Russia–>Has there been any actual threats from Russia? Because I remember it was in no state to really fight anyone in the 90s. And in the 2000s it helped the US and Nato in the war of terror.<Well, uh, no, not that I'm aware of, but–>So why did all these states "want" join an anti Russian alliance when Russia hasn't threatened any of them and apparently not taking any steps to do so? < :|< >:[ >>2517819Do you know what priceless means?
>>2517681>the same ones that were getting fucked and burned alive by the nato backed nazis? Um, that's just Russian misinformation.
nafo hohol is angry because he can't hold the lines.
how's toilet water in kiev, you gore-loving retard?
and remember, don't dare me on gore posting. as I said the other day, I follow the same nazi-bandera loving retarded channels you or your buddies from where you get your material follow PLUS the Russian ones, and it's a ratio of 1 to 10, favoring Russians channels that post 10 times more content because they get to de-nazify ukraine faster.
so prepare your anus, either to stop posting gore and still getting banned, or dare me so you can get banned and humiliated since you are into kinky public humiliation.
>>2517819>Ukrainian soldiers are looked after and get relievedLol, except we know they don't.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/21/why-is-ukraines-army-facing-a-desertion-crisis
<Why are so many soldiers deserting?
>Low morale caused by exhaustion is the main reason.
>Soldiers complain of having to grind through for days on end under heavy fire without a pause because there is no one to relieve them. Those on the front lines have told the media that they have gone from battle to battle with little rest since Russia’s invasion in 2022.
>Troops are allowed to take 10 days off twice a year, but manpower shortages sometimes delay even those vacations. Soldiers and their families are pushing for breaks that range between a month’s vacation and a three-year rotation.
>One soldier placed under investigation for desertion – Serhii Hnezdilov, who is also a journalist – told The Times newspaper in the UK: “At least in prison you know when you will be able to leave.” He was arrested after writing about his decision to leave the army on Facebook in protest against conditions in the army.Ukrainian soldiers have been complaining about it since the war began. They get shipped off to the frontline with practically no training and then never leave it because they either die there or no one comes to replace them.
So whose winning?
https://www.amerikanets.com/p/on-russian-strikes-targeting-ukrainian
>Over the past week, Russian forces have massively increased their missile campaign against Ukrainian energy infrastructure. A strike on October 3rd targeted gas production facilities in Poltava and Kharkov with 35 missiles and at least 60 long-range drones. Bloomberg reported that the damage to these two sites has brought around 60% of the country’s gas production offline. The Ukrainians are planning to increase their gas imports over the winter by 30% to compensate, importing at least 4.4 billion cubic meters over the season, equivalent to $2.2 billion, or 20% of the country’s typical annual consumption. This figure is likely to rise.
>So where does this leave Ukraine, especially if Russian strikes continue? Ukraine relies on gas principally for heating. The share of gas used for residential homes, larger district-level heating stations, and industrial/commercial use is roughly equal. 78% of Ukrainian households depend on gas as their primary heat source. Industrial concerns use between 1 bcm (billion cubic meters) and 6 bcm of gas a quarter depending on the season, and 11% of Ukraine’s electricity generation comes from gas power plants. Ukraine’s total gas consumption is around 20 bcm annually.
>The Ukrainian government projects that it will import 5.8 bcm of pipeline gas this year, more than twice what it imported pre-war, despite massive reductions in population and falling consumption. Around half of this gas transits through Hungary, with another quarter of the total through Poland, an additional quarter through Slovakia, and insignificant amounts through Romania and Moldova. These pipelines once carried Russian gas through Ukraine to Europe, generating billions in transit fees for the Ukrainians, but this agreement fully terminated at the beginning of this year. Since then, these pipelines operate in “reverse flow," sending gas backwards through mostly Soviet-era infrastructure to Ukraine.Hungary and Slovakia? That's gonna be an awkward conversation.
>>2517913Ukorp with a russian flag overlay
>>2517925Weapon manufacturers
>>2517091Sorry, all the nice communists are gone, their projects lay in ruins. You're stuck with me now.
>>2517925Ukraine obviously. The Russian imperial project has been humiliated
>>2518036doubt, the new israel that is ukraine is in flames and just sending their people to meatgrinders.
>>2517991More like copetin
A list of the plants targeted yesterday evening as part of the attack…
• Kamianska HES (Hydroelectric Power Station)
• Kanivska HES
• Kremenchutska HES
• Zaporizka HES
• Seredniodniprovska HES
• Prydniprovska TETs (Combined Heat and Power Plant)
• Trypilska TES (Thermal Power Station)
• Kaniv TES
• Kamianske TES
• Kremenchuk/Svitlovodsk TES
• Desnianska TETs
• TEC-5, TEC-6
• Dnipro TES
>It is reported that in the last 3 weeks, 40 locomotive depots, power supply stations, and traction substations have been destroyed or damaged in Ukraine.
>Trains are actively used to supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, military trains are often mixed with passenger trains, which serve as a cover.
>Last night, the railway infrastructure in Chernihiv’s Nizhyn was destroyed, resulting in the loss of electricity and the halt of trains.There have been damages to the storage infrastructure of Ukrzaliznytsia, and a fire has broken out.
>Pokrovske evacuated<half of Kupyansk occupied>Myrnograd entered <Gulyapole threatened>advances on Lyman<roads in Pokrovsk cut>citadel of Pokrovsk penetrated by Russians<successful assault on Shakove >>2517905Are you ready for reciprocal actions for such a move? Say, Cuban Crisis-style 2500 km range missiles in Venezuela?
Why the hell are we being raided?
Did something happen?
Also, I found out this guy is responsible for a lot of shills.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Shillman>ShillmanNo joke. These write themselves.
>>2518098its been like this for a couple weeks. very annoying to have 100+ replies a day when half are spam or responding to spam
>>2518098>>2518101we simply have an obsessed nafo poster, that loves to post nazi apologia:
>>2517762pic semirelated.
>>2518109Tell him that I will make Benjamin Satanyahoo eat his testicles.
>>2518111And it will still not be enough for putin to stop cucking out.
>>2518062>Are you ready for reciprocal actions for such a move? Say, Cuban Crisis-style 2500 km range missiles in Venezuela?Putin's Russia will do no such thing despite all the noise about placing Iskanders or Oreshniks in Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.
>>2518098Nah, it's just the one "runazi" poster. He's been banned once or twice, and it all stops the moment of the ban.
>>2518098the explanation that i heard was tomahawks which lines up
>>2517905. nafo is back because of the new wonder weapon is gonna change the game (for real this time)
>>2518129Fucking kek.
I want another Yavoriv.
>>2518132This war is truly bizarre.
>>2518148Fuck off dipshit
why the ukraine shills so salty itt
4 Years
A million Russians and Ukrainians dead
NOTHING GAINED FOR ANY WORKERS
and yet the campists still scream about how if you don't support this war you are nafo
fuck off
>>2517777Nice numbers
I know we don't really observe.
btw I'd ask mods to clean this thread from time to time but really does anyone give a shit at this point?
>>2518148"Anti-campism" isn't a Leftcom position. That poster isn't a Leftcom. It's Trotskyist reject position. Technically Schachtmanism. Because Schachtman is responsible for every stereotype of Trots in the West. And his entire politics was nothing but sliding right-wards so much, even Wikipedia clowns on him for it.
They will literally never address this. So clown on them, like the anti-communist glowie fucks they are.
>>2518253Anti campism is le worst product of campism.
>i remember in the first ukraine war generals anons would say russia wouldnt invade
<russia did
>i remember back in the early generals anons would say russia would btfo ukraine quickly
<its been multiple years
>I remember in the generals after that, that russia would win soon, trust the plan
<russia still hasnt won
Why are you anons like this
>>2518216Because Ukraine reports something like 60% of their gas capacity was destroyed in a single week, and that's really bad because they're the victims while the oil infrastructure strikes were really funny since Russia are the invaders.
/s - just in case
>>2518268The belief at the time was NATO valued the lives of those protected by the
DEFENSIVE PACT enough to not risk WW3 in a crash out over Russia not running out of money and working tanks in two weeks as various think tanks predicted they would, that's really where this thread was wrong.
>>2517725I've also noticed a lot of nafoid memes depend on having a schizophrenic memory, because "when your BITCH WIFE sends you away" was the case when the Ukrainian military was asking women to essentially report their husbands, boyfriends, brothers and fathers if they were draft dodging, who in some cases unironically obliged and once IIRC then moved abroad with the compensation.
Trying to "no u" the meme doesn't make sense for a military that is volunteer only, your "bitch wife" cannot send you way for comp money, you earn a salary/sign-up bonus for serving in a professional military.
>>2517847>Aliyev made Cucktin kiss the ring. This pic was, funnily enough, not posted in the fascist press.Aliyev has been having a good run. Azerbaijan ethnically cleansed Artsakh, which means the Armenians there were dispossed of everything and sent packing with whatever they could carry or cram into their cars, but that confers respect in this world.
>>2518100<Shillman>No joke. These write themselves.You can't make this up.
>>2518268>Why are you anons like thisZombie-fication.
>>2518225>if you don't support this war you are nafoHold up. Who the fuck here agrees that it's good that this war just keeps going for it's own sake? I sure don't.
It would have been better if this war never started, but it was always going to start wasn't it. It's also objectively better if Russia wins it. even if one goes into the deep end with "inter imperialist war" narrative. It would be a boon if this killing seized tomorrow. Just make it end in a way that doesn't lead into a nato-Ukraine Russia rematch with nukes or smth.
>>2518333Moar moar, keep firing the more you use now the less you have later
>>2518333its like watching a nazi propagandist decline from mass coverage of the swathes of territory to be taken down to bellowing over singular V2 rocket strikes. While crying the allies have only taken an extra, strategically insignificant hardpoint on the Siegfried line so clearly the west should ceasefire to focus on the judeo-bolshevicks.
>>2518225NATO can stop the war any time they want
>>2518338>the west will run out of missilesany moment now
>>2518268>>i remember in the first ukraine war generals anons would say russia wouldnt invade><russia didfalse cucktin never does anything
Why do Russians abandon their own soldiers even when they're right beside their OWN tank? Watch this :
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1o461sl/we_dont_abandon_our_own_a_russian_invader_left/Btw I'm not gonna disappear. I'm gonna keep posting the true horrors of this war so the chickenhawks here can see what it actually is that they're supporting.
>>2518349>>2518333>>2518346Fish in a barrel, not even worth shooting
>>2518304
>A ceasefire is what imperialists and fascists want … All leftists unconditionally support the Russia's anti-imperialist, anti-fascist revolutionary war of liberation
I think this grandiose narrative is ultimately built upon the mass destruction of human bodies, war crimes and murder. This ultimately renders any notion of honor/victory/empire/masculinity as convenient rationalizations/brainwashing for the sociopathic behavior and the glamorization of violence and domination. But the real horror is being stuck inside eternal cycles of military conquest and the failure of the political philosophies which have become mutated into internalized social attitudes and self-identities.
Good fascist day
I love dead proles and unlimited taxes to fund Russian imperialism, this makes a lot of sense because all good communists must stop voluntary defensive alliances like NATO
Why is mosKKKow so scared of tomahawks? Are the imperial palaces built by slave labour not defendable?
>>2518344Pidor imperialists can stop the war they started anytime too by leaving Ukraine
>>2517996Cringe. Internet leftardos like you are 100000x less harmful than Stalinoids or Maooids of the past
>>2518253Lmao why are you trying to speak on behalf of leftcoms. "Anti campism" is absolutely the correct communist Marxist positions and therefore the "leftcoms position".
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