First for Ukraine collapsing in two weeks.
>>2518384Guess me being OP, I should start us off.
I don't actually care, is the thing.
Ukraine is not the prize I am after.
And I will get my prize.
>>2518392Aged like milk. Trump's 100% tariffs on China is about to usher in a new golden age.
>>2518391The fascist's rear is going to have to be in Mongolia once the Tomahawks and Flamingos fly
>>2518397Well there's plenty more missiles right, no worries there so why only fire one?
I hope ziggers lose for the sole reason that they stabbed Armenia in the back like the pathetic cuck maggot opportunists that they are. And now they suck Turkey and Azerbaijan dick.
Zigger geopolitics is so bad they managed to make Armenia and Azerbaijan sign a peace deal and become anti Russian together. They managed to make Finland join NATO and are losing defence deals and exports to previously important partners. You Ziggers can keep your head in the sand all you want but you are only ignoring the gigantic geopolitical losses Russia is facing. Wake me up when Russia has actually won this war.
I fucking love capitalism and imperialism (dont worry only the russian kind).
>>2518424I wouldn't even mind Russian imperialism if they actually showed 1% of the competence and balls of Western or Turkish or Israeli imperialism
>>2518421At least they have oil to export.. oh wait.
>>2518425To be fair…
we should have known Putin was ultra retarded when he did the interview with Tucker when Tucker was trying to feed him easy answers about NATO expansion but Putin instead tried to do a 3 hour history lecture. Total inability to read the room and understand social cues since he's been surrounded by yes-men for decades. Russia is led by a moron.
Monke status?
Guys please give me hopium. I'm going on a spiral here. PLEASE tell me of how this will end good for Russia and anti-Western imperialism. I don't care if they sieze 4 oblasts. Taking Crimea didn't change much of global geopolitics. If this ends with Ukraine losing 20% but they join NATO what's the point.
>>2518431>If this ends with Ukraine losing 20% but they join NATO what's the point.What were you expecting?
>>2518431Less naval gazing son, more calling the USA weak for only firing one tomahawk at Russia
>>2518431Um well you see this war is good for leftists because
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Belarus gets to develop a drone industry and got nukes? Shame about the whole seizing Ukraine and stopping NATO expansion, thoughever. That part kind of failed.
>>2518424Me too comrade, who needs salaries, pensions, or food and petrol when we have - may Bog Put peace on His name - our beloved Tsar Vova.
>>2518435>Belarus gets to develop a drone industry and got nukesCool
>>2518440Totally worth million casualties.
>>2518441Too soon to tell, but the way things are going
It might be, a million die so billions don't
>>2518435>Um well you see this war is good for leftists because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Belarus gets to develop a drone industry and got nukesthis but unironically
>>2518443>but anon, why 2022?Just vibes. American Wunderwaffel and whatnot.
Mostly it would be annoying to have Covid (dominated-news) again instead of whatever this is.
Remember COOOOOOOOvid?
>>2518447I just realized that even in Zelensky's comedy show, when the camera pans to the audience you can see a bunch of different audience members giving him death glares and not laughing when he jokes about Azov and Hitler. You can literally see the hateful fascism in their faces.
>>2518419>>2518421>ziggerso now its just an anti russian slur of the nafoids, and I guess they love how it roll off their tongue like the other word they're not allowed to say here
lovely how mask off they are, our mods must really love the polyps shitting up the thread
>>2518456Im pro Russia I'm allowed to say zigger
>>2518456>like the other word>nafoids = negroids + foids + natoNice holier-than-thou attempt zigger. If you russian nazis can warp racist and sexist slurs then anti-imperialists can use slurs too.
>>2518462ACKSHUALLY foid is irrelevant here. Nafo means North Atlantic Fellas Organization. So it's just negroids+nafo
>>2518431>but they join NATOwont happen, but anyway the most important is already done : europe is in terminal economic decline
>>2518462>Stepan Bandera here, today I'd like to lecture you all about racism and sexismgem post
>>2518462who the fuck still use negroid in the last 50 years? I should have guessed you guys still read phrenology treaties
>>2518475Glorious Fascist Ukraine makes Phrenology studies mandatory. There's also an Azov-funded Religious Studies class that claims Jesus was Ukrainian.
>>2518462nafoids is nafo + droids.
>yfw you made it up as a racial slur>>2518433speaking of which, ukrainian media is reporting that they won't receive tomahawks:
>Ukraine will not receive Tomahawk missiles because these missiles are exclusively sea-based, and Kiev does not have such ships, according to Sergey Sidorenko, editor-in-chief of the European Pravda newspaper. 5 million rubbles says that shelemov will ban russian media referring to the length of the SMO outlasting the GPW.
Any takers?
>>2518505so much for 'rules based international order'
>>2518459>Until Cucktin finally wakes up Russians will keep dying pointlessly.11 more years of war comrade.
>>2518473>January 01 2022now do OSCE Minsk II reported violations from mid January to last days of February 2022, chart it with the 2014 to 12//31/2021 violations.
>>2518524Stalin have mercy they named some propaganda rag after the western sponsored Nazi coup where western backed Nazi's shot protestors and security forces, as other western backed literal Nazi's set a trades hall in Odessa packed with people on fire and blocked the doors
I'm laughing because the alternative is to cry
>>2518528remembering that is le russian trolls, Ukraine dindu nuffing ever.
Now bow down CHUD, the new israel is talking.
>>2518533more gloves will be removed, more ukrainians will be hunted on the streets to go to the frontline while nazi officers get new hellcats, and nothing ever hapens after that.
>>2518534lol ziggers are so retarded they make charts showing a downward trend in ceasefire violations and pretend it's an upward trend instead
>>2518551sum the daily increases by that month, compare it to the 2021 reported violations, retard.
>>2518551In fact, let me do that for you, because you are too much of a moron:
30.6%, and that after biden greelighted the war by telling germans that the US would put to an end the nordstream pipelines, literally giving the perfect excuse to the banderites to resume the offensive.
now enjoy kiev with no water, no electricity, and plunged into darkness.
>>2518579the -oid suffix did not originate from 'negroid' you moron
>>2518579and why do you think of negroid, and not mongoloid or europeoid?
Your crackka brain cannot think of history outside your KKK-SS bubble
>>2518579See
>>2518575You fucking retard
The ukroshilling has intensified because if they keep their fingers moving it helps distract them from the cold.
Don't worry boys. I'm sure they'll get the heat in your apartments turned back on soon. Or hey, I bet it gets pretty warm crammed in with a bunch of other guys in those vans. Maybe give tcs a call huh?
>>2518606
>believes rosstat
whew lad, that's some strong copium
>>2518606
the real wages of europe were also their largest after the black death lol
>>2518579Im fine with being z gang, provided that its defined as "support for russia declaring war on the nato backed banderites"
but clearly thats not what the word is used for by the local nafoids retards. They use it to characterize anything russian in general, and this has become linked to their favorite strawman : implying uncritical support to everything russia did and does
and clearly the nafoids shitting up the thread now proudly hold the most crass, pro nato imperialist position, repeating their propaganda on this obscure corner of the internet, with the tacit support of mods and not even attempting to cloak it in bothsideism, they're indistinguishable from the pro nato polyps.
Ziggermods got cooked lmao
>>2518614The russian workers themselves show support to putin and the war of liberation.
>>2518645Also if you pivot
<hur dur you can't trust russiayou thereby consneed that Stalin's only sin was he did not kill enough "yuropeens"
>>2518650>>2518650Fucking called it.
>>2518651yes, he did not purge enough of the porkies and reactoids inside russia itself
>>2518655Agreed. But he should have emptied yurope and half the problems would have disappeared.
>>2518657*95% of problems would have disappeared
>>2518659Vaccinating yourself and your children against polio is imperialist
>>2518668Good soviet polio vaccine is not imperialist
Shitty dangerous western polio vaccine is imperialism
Hope that helped
Have a nice day
>>2518671No, all vaccines are imperialist since they're western by nature. If you are a true imperialist you need to be crippled and/or die from polio
>>2518675Should I even bother to explain why you're a moron?
It's not like you be going to understand it anyway
>>2518670Based trvth nvker.
Russians cannot be trusted to run Russia. You need a Ukrainian, Georgian, Jew, etc. running Russia instead because Russians are retarded and the second you get an actual Russian running Russia (Putin, Yeltsin, Nicholas II, etc.) Russia collapses.
>>2518685>UkrainianThat's actually a Russian son, can't have those in power obviously
>>2518679Do us a favour and get polio if you want to prove you're a dedicated anti-imperialist(tm)
>>2518690Not according to Lenin. God can you imagine if Khrushchev was in power during this war instead of Cucktin? The moment Kursk got invaded he would have already launched the nukes. ballKhrushcher was totally ready to bend over the Western world and rape it to death. Meanwhile Cucktin begs for normalized relations with America. Weak bitch.
>>2518693The soviet polio vaccine is inactivated which means it's safe
The western polio vaccine is a live vaccine, most modern polio outbreaks are caused by it
Hope that helped
Have a nice day, bye 👋
>>2518699where do you find and spread such bullshit?
>>2518699Would like a source.
>>2518690This difference is Urkainians see themselves as borderlanders. And soviet leaders who grew up or made their careers there ended up with a cosmopolitan and ultimately 'soviet' view of things.
The bulk of UPA/OUN nationalist retardation within the Ukrainian SSR was basically irrelevant (same goes for equivalents in other republics) until Boris Yeltsin and his grave digging chauvinist ilk decided that Russia was being exploited by all the useless mouths infesting its periphery, and the only way to 'fix' this was by breaking with socialism and destroying the USSR.
Russian nationalists are scum and absolute filth because they preach their brain rotten idiocy even without being paid. At least azovite fashoid degenerates demand you hand them a few dollars before launching a pogrom.
Great example of this is idiots like RWA. Imagine doing that shit for free. At least over at euromaidan press, Ukrainian pravda and every other NGO funded pro-western rag they demand to be paid before publishing anything.
>>2518675TRVKE. All good ziggers die from preventable diseases to honour their motherland
>>2518675New banner right here
>>2518730>Bannering a retarded obvious joke post instead of Houdini's confession post where he LARPs as Andrew TateFire yourself and appoint me as mod I can do a better job.
>At least azovite fashoid degenerates demand you hand them a few dollars before launching a pogrom
imaging believing that nafotards don't do that for free.
>>2518748Can't trust it's a joke post, just have a look at the Ukraine thread
Some people really are that retarded
>>2518695>Khrushchev>Coca-cola drinking man>who erased Stalin.>who was horrified by Stalin management of war>Ukrainian>Sending nukes. yeah. no.
>>2518771Ukrainian = Russian
Demonstrated
>>2518685The Romanovs were not Russians. They were a clique of Francophile German elites.
>>2518776no one but Westernmost or Westwards (including people who lived and born in Ukraine and Poland) Soviets were the ones horrified by Stalin's decisions, without understanding that Ukrainians were in the buffer zone, and as such, they were going to pay most of the price. You can't find Armenians, Azeris, Kazaks, Soviets or similar caring that much, like Khrushchev, Rokossovsky, Voroshilov, Semyon Timoshenko, Rodion Y. Malinovsky, and their silly ilk.
except a small handful of Russians (that not too coincidentally lived and spent so much time in Ukraine, like Konev, or Zhukov) criticized Stalin. so no, modern day people like Khrushchev would not have sent nukes.
>>2518771Zhukov also drank coca cola who cares. Khrushchev crushed Hungary's revolt, personally fought in WW2, and protected Cuba during the missile crisis.
>but grover furr said khrushchev was satanfuck grover furr
>>2518713Agreed. Based Trvker
>>2518670Agreed again. Based Trvker
>>2518803CPC has analysed the history of the soviet union exhaustively and concluded that Kruschev probably destroyed the Soviet Unions long term viability
>>2518670>I'm also convinced if the roles had been reversed and it had been Zelensky in the Kremlin and Putin in Kiev it really would have been "Keeeev in 3 days".Saraha maybe
>>2518803are you comparing sending a few regiments to a deprived country to fight paramilitaries to the WWII? are you stupid?
>mfw
<but grover furr said khrushchev was satan<fuck grover furryes, you are stupid.
>Russia bogged down again
>Red lines being crossed again
>Infrastructure getting bombed again
<Leftypol bullshit discussions unrelated to war back again
Like clockwork
>>2518825Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad appear to be a dead end. They are having more success in the zapo/dnipro direction. Mainly zapo. Funnily enough Russia may take Pokrovske in Zapo faster.
>>2518805It was Andropov not Khrushchev. Andropov forced through the collapse. Gorbachev was his pupil. The generation that sold out the USSR was entirely raised by Andropov who was already preparing them for perestroika. Andropov even asassinated many high level Soviet officials that would hinder him.
Kiev residents should evacuate for winter – MP>Ukraine’s defenses can’t fully prevent Russian attacks on energy sites, Maryana Bezuglaya has said, warning of severe power outageshttps://swentr.site/russia/626216-kiev-residents-evacuate-winter/It’s never difficult to find the trigger for nafoid rage
>>2518859then they'll start to scream "ruZZia fashists" as if they didn't ask for this. literally they come here to brag about muh refineries, when there's nothing close to a collapse at all, to then cry crocodile tears. the duality of bandera worshiping.
>>2518869then they'll start to scream "ukraina fashists" as if they didn't ask for this. literally they come here to brag about muh orkekniks, when there's nothing close to a collapse at all, to then cry crocodile tears. the duality of putin worshiping.
>>2518879Point me in what direction I am crying about refineries or utilities collapses?
>>2518380ML = Maximal Liberal
Leftists = Liberals
Rightists = Liberals
Third Positionists = Liberals
Fourth Positionists = Liberals
Fifith Positionists = Liberals
Ultras = The Communist Movement
Weeks are not happening until ICP announce weeks have started.
BLOOD WORKS.
BORDIGA LOVE OR NO LOVE.
>>2518859Wait how that's possible…The Patriots…The 100% interception rates…
>>2518884Yeah ok, cool
Just remember to wash your hands
Just thinking out loud, what if Russia is a Western double agent pretending to fight a war but just creating a pretext for the West to rearm itself (by reducing oppositin to budget cuts for govt services for example) and the reward for Russia is a quarter of Ukraine (all the manpower, resources in that area) and the reward for the West is the remaining part of Ukraine is forced to be a fief to the West as it's heavily in debt. Also all the minerals and agricultural area and shit. The only loser are Global South countries who get nothing from this deal.
>>2518869Exactly and that explains their ultimate goal seemingly being to prove that this thread has been tricked by the "three day SMO" claim by media personalities back in 2022.
I know I'd feel like a jackass needing to cope about not being the one getting fooled if, already in the current year, I was still buying into the same power fantasies that Ukraine can find an endlessly exploitable tactic against Russia that is an inexpensive, plucky, ingenious, 100% Ukrainian operation and thus immune to any kind of politicking by Trump or pussyfooting by Biden, that Russia cannot stop or meaningfully retaliate against via diplomacy and prematurely celebrating over rumours of a queue outside a petrol station in Vladivostok as evidence of imminent victory, when..
US guiding Ukrainian attacks on Russian energy – FThttps://swentr.site/news/626266-ukraine-us-energy-intelligence/It transpires that actually this is a US operation and entirely dependent on US intel being provided to Ukraine, at the very least reinforcing the reality that this is not a conflict just against Ukraine, but also at risk when Trump decides next he wants American men to have the right to the first night with every Ukrainian woman on her wedding day on pain of having that intel rescinded..
Ukraine’s Patriot defenses ‘down to 6%’ effectiveness>Last week, the Financial Times, citing anonymous Ukrainian and Western officials, similarly reported that Russian missiles are now capable of following a normal arc before veering into a steep terminal dive or performing maneuvers that “confuse and avoid” Patriot interceptors. According to the paper, Moscow has likely upgraded the Iskander-M mobile system and the air-launched Kinzhal.https://swentr.site/russia/626237-former-commander-ukraine-patriots-ineffective/while what is unstoppable is in fact just Russian missiles that are 100% operated by Russia, that..
Ukraine has lost 60% of gas output – Bloomberg>Kiev told its Western backers this week that a Russian missile strike on the regions of Kharkov and Poltava on October 3 destroyed around 60% of the country’s gas production capacity, the outlet wrote, citing anonymous sources.https://swentr.site/business/626140-ukraine-gas-emergency-bloomberg/Put Ukraine on the ropes wrt attacks on energy infrastructure in like, a week?
>>2518891Your explanation makes way more sense than the cope Ziggers post about Ukraine losing on every front but somehow still stalemating mighty rasha
>>2518922Stalemating is when one side is constantly losing ground including critical festungs to the point they're crying for "unilateral ceasefires" from their depowered cities and you have to cope by saying the other side isn't winning fast enough because you don't want to understand what's happening for reasons you're too ashamed to say out loud but everyone can discern anyway.
>>2518938Kruschev engaged in Historical Nihilism
>>2518854Stalemate is when one side's gains grow increasingly larger and more rapid while the other side has to knuckle under and release its remaining 18-23 demo cannon fodder because of the instability of the state.
>>2518941Sorry, but I don't really understand what that means.
>>2518943Could you look up the term or ask a chatbot
No guarantee what you'll learn from it is correct, but it'll be a lot easier for me to correct any misconceptions than try and explain it from scratch
Like without something to work with I'd probably need to write a book to explain this
>>2518936Leftypol not understanding strategic depth post #9001
Ironic because it's how the Soviets defeated the Nazis eighty years ago but noone knows, or cares to study, any military history here
>>2518951Russia can strike targets seemingly anywhere in Ukraine, any further depth and you’re striking Poland.
>>2518891The problem is the west doesn't need a "pretext" to rearm. It has constantly and explicitly in "text" named Russia and China as serious adversaries and obstacles to the establishment of the New American Century.
What's more from what we're seeing, the US and Nato lack the ability to rearm, because of half a century of shaping their societies to exclude the working class, their economies deemphasizing actual production, and their governments from doing much more than spend money. We're in year 3 of a conflict that has exposed the West's inability to compete in terms of production, and in spite of "tripling production" Russia is still making 10 times the amount of shells as the US–likely more than that now that the one factory producing TNT in the US just fucking exploded.
There is no scenario where nato is plsying 5D chess and coming out of this ahead. It's just been stepping on rake after rake after rake for them every step of the way, and now that China is instituting restrictions on rare earths they're even more severely fucked than before.
>>2518947I guess I'll have to look it up because I'd rather put a gun in my mouth than ask a chatbot. Thanks anyway.
Is there any source you could recommend?
>>2518951Stalemate is when your side is constantly losing and you have to try and cope by citing military theory from ww2 even though the circumstances are totally different and it's obviously not working.
>>2518903>It transpires that actually this is a US operation and entirely dependent on US intel being provided to Ukraine, at the very least reinforcing the reality that this is not a conflict just against Ukraine, but also at risk when Trump decides next he wants American men to have the right to the first night with every Ukrainian woman on her wedding day on pain of having that intel rescinded..that's with everything, before, like the storm shadows or the scalps, that need western satellites to get their travel routes and guide course changes. in any case, see this:
>>2518483.
I've reading a bit about it, and it seems it cannot be deployed as it is from air launchers (like the scalp or storm shadow) nor from ground, with a complex launching system that it's not easy to adapt to a ground platform, like i.e., the atacms, so it's all a PR, for now.
even if they manage to put it in a ground platform launcher again, it'll be way bigger than the himars, and an easier target than the latter.
>>2518966Probably the official CPC party journals would be the best place to start
>>2518936> for reasons you're too ashamednah, it's not shame. it's his own latent nazism. twice already he posted nazi apologia, from places I know it's filled with nazism. he's not leftist.
everything else, on point.
>>2518983Yeah I think based on the article describing that the US is feeding data about “altitudes” to Ukraine to guide their drones, that must essentially be the data that Tomahawks use for its TERCOM navigation, which is why that’s even a discussion but I think I’ve seen the same articles describing the Tomahawk as a missile extremely tied to the US Navy operationally.
interimperialist
>>2518998It's not about imperialism, it's a conflict to see who loves Israel more than the other
>>2518988Does one need to know Chinese or are their English translations available?
The holes between the infantry positions are getting bigger and bigger.https://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2025/10/06/8001358/<What prevents the Ukrainian army from deterring the Russians – Ukrainska Pravda, Oct 6 2025
>The most urgent need directly on the front line remains infantry. At the current stage of the war, when the work of heavy equipment is maximally complicated, the role of soldiers in the trenches increases significantly. When they are not enough, it is not easy to organize a defense.
>Due to the lack of people, many units cannot hold their positions, fully repel Russian attacks, adequately rest and conduct the necessary rotation. As a result, field commanders are forced to choose priority areas, leaving other sectors less protected.
>A consequence of the problem described above is that infantry positions are increasingly literally deserted. Therefore, the distance between neighboring positions can be 200-300 –, 500-700 –meters, and sometimes even a kilometer.…
>The formation of a huge number of holes between Ukrainian infantry positions and the penetration of these holes by the Russians deep into our defenses has formed another trend of the current stage of the war – the lack of a stable line of engagement.…
>Due to the lack of fighters on the first line, drone and mortar operators, who stand 3-5 kilometers from the front edge, are forced to become infantry.…
>In the worst cases, which UP is also aware of, the Russians even reach artillery positions. These are 10-15 kilometers from the contact line. >>2519021Chinese for the most part, sorry
No promises, but if you start a thread in
>>>/edu/ I'll try and find some things for you and see whether I can find a way to explain it
It's one of those wierd concepts that is both simple and obvious yet has these intricacies that are hard to explain
Russian hypermarket destroyed in Ukrainian drone attack>The UAV strike on Donetsk’s Sigma complex sparked a massive fire that led to the collapse of the building’s internal structurehttps://swentr.site/russia/626242-mall-destroyed-in-ukrainian-attacks/Something that does genuinely trigger me is that occasionally I'll come across videos on social media where a westerner will record in Kharkov and try their utmost to depict its situation as one that is barely liveable without extreme tenacity under constant attack, pointing out every time they hear a air raid siren, while in the background you can see the locals not even responding to it at all and the presented proof of the attacks are of an alley way where the walls are peppered with the shrapnel indicative of an AA missile failing as usual.
More rarely though I see videos from some guys riding throughout Donbass and you can see from Donetsk to Mariupol, the effects of having civilians being shelled for over a decade at this point, so many buildings utterly reduced to rubble and be reminded of the attitude of so many Ukrainians that predate invasion and continues under the pretence of stoic heroism because occasionally they experience a taste of it themselves.
Tbh, no nafoid can trigger me when that's their competition.
>>2519073Well that's unfortunate, but thanks. I'll take a look at the thread.
Arabs boycotting pidor summit
>>2518951Strategic depth only works when you have more reserves than the enemy, jeez. Ukraine doesn't have a bigger army.
>>2519125Is the war with Ukraine or NATO. Because what I see is NATO jerking around, leaving Russia to bleed and not caring too much since you have like 1bn vs 150m and it's quite obvious who is going to get attrited.
>>2519146So was it on? EW doesn't do much unless it's plugged in, surprise, surprise.
>>2519146Actually Ukraine took an L here. They shouldn't have hit it and let pidors think that it worked to lull them into thinking all other assets were safe.
Still funny though but could've been funnier still
>>2519142The war is against nato. The fact that nato itself isn't contributing manpower to the conflict is significant in that it factually cannot. It lacks the equipment, it lacks the infrastructure, it lacks the will, but most importantly it lacks the ability to endure the effects of doing so.
First, most of nato is just too small to meaningfully contribute a fighting force of sufficient size. Taking in countries like Estonia or Macedonia is a great propaganda victory, but in a fight they're more liabilities than assets. It doesn't help either that countries like the baltics are made up of populations with significant ethnic Russians, which complicates matters further.
But even with big countries like the US, they simply can't handle the effects of such a mobilisation. If you want proof, just take a look at what happened in the wake of covid. That's an ongoing crisis, but if you look at just the period of the Biden administration more than a million people were killed, and millions more crippled to a greater or lesser degree. To make things simple, let's just say that covid took a million people directly out of the labor pool–no more producing, no more consuming, with the result being that wages and prices both started skyrocketing and creating a situation that the government still hasn't been able to get under control.
With Russia mobilizing more than a million people, the US, which in all likelihood would end up by necessity doing most of the fighting, would end up having to mobilize at least 3 million people, about 1% of their entire population, and three times that were killed by covid. In all likelihood, it would have to be significantly more than that.
The result would be economic mayhem at the very least, to say nothing of the fact that the only way they'd be able to realistically achieve those numbers is through the draft, which would be a social disaster for the US even greater than that of Vietnam.
What you're seeing isn't nato cruising to some easy, bloodless victory. You're seeing nato making increasingly desperate attempts to grapple with the ever sharpening contradictions within itself, try and resolve a disaster of its own creation which it has no answer for, and failing to do so because it simply can't.
>>2519250>The war is against nato. So we can shoot down NATO recon drones planning attacks now, right?
>>2519293I'm glad you agree that nato is losing this war they've started.
>>2519369Okay, so that means we can shoot down the recon drones, right?
>>2519301>please rival imperialist camp stop competing with usliberalism folks
>>2519405It's fine with me but ask your mother if it's okay.
>>2519425She said it's okay, so that's two yes votes. We'll see what happens…
>Trump says he's gonna tell Putin if this war isn't settled, he's gonna send Ukraine Tomahawks
Notice how Trump didn't give a shit about the massive attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure recently? I'm beginning to side with those who think Trump's real frustration is that Putin won't hurry the fuck up and finish off Ukraine so the matter can be 'settled' and Trump can get his business deals.
>>2519468Not just Trump. Ukraine sold almost everything off before he even took power again. If the war ends with a forced settlement it will be maybe a year before the Banderite warlords are fighting the liberals because Ukraine is no longer a sovereign country.
>>2519045It’s like an inverse WWI. The front line is thinly held but operational breakthroughs are still almost impossible due to the incredible advances in communications technology.
Eventually someone has to make an IFV which mounts a good enough anti-drone gun that mobile warfare returns.
>>2518890The lines are so thin that “encirclement” and map painting is worthless. What counts is whether easy logistics routes can be put under sustained fire control. And even then positions can be sustained by drone for months.
Hey, folks, main character here.
Just letting you all know that I'm meme'ing some Oreshnik strikes for you over the next few days by hopping on Telegram and telling Russians that the Oreshnik doesn't exist. Reverse psychology and all.
>inb4 "kek, check out this moron thinking his piddly Telegram trolling guides Russian policy"
No need to be jelly. I realize not everyone can be a main character.
>>2518579I’m glad you are so retarded as to go fully mask off and finally cop a ban.
Hopefully you are in Lvov and not Kiev so you can still enjoy reading my reply.
>>2519484All this depends on the implicit agreement not to use anti-satellite weapons, because whoever causes the Kessler Syndrome will permanently ruin their relationship with the rest of the world.
>>2519529>whoever causes the Kessler Syndrome will permanently ruin their relationship with the rest of the world.Get gud:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8R-W7VXay4 >>2519529Destroying communications and surveillance satellites would make “big arrows” easier by making rear areas secure like they were in say WW2, but it wouldn’t solve the front line drone problem.
But I suppose the Russians would have a chance to carry off a major op that punched right through to Kiev and other key rear area logistics hubs. It would still be much more costly then the pre-drone world.
>>2519536Western ISR isn't needed.
I can predict the next Russian moves by looking for the next dachas and slag heaps.
>>2519536It's not so much a drone problem, as it is a communication problem. Organizations live and die by their abilities to communicate. Starlink is the real reason Ukraine is still in this fight.
>>2519510well, according to the same UA media:
>>2519045.
however, they will still spin it as a victory because "rashist orcs haven't reached kyivyiv" or something.
>>2519536>Destroying communications and surveillance satellites would make “big arrows” easier by making rear areas secure like they were in say WW2,Early warning satellites being shot down would be worse than sinking american ships and would quickly escalate out of hand which Russia cant afford in this moment when its struggling against only Ukraine. Much smarter move is this GPS interfaring and similiar disruption of satellites indirectly.
>>2519597>which Russia cant afford in this moment when its struggling against only Ukraine.TRVKE
It's smart for Russia to keep cowering before NATO.
>>2519565You’ll never win an argument with these people because they refuse to examine history. The closest to a win that NATO interventionists have had is Yugoslavia and that is waiting to kick off the moment NATO withdraws.
I know why the draftdodgers are mostly in western ukraine.
it's because of the same reason blietsky left svoboda and launched his own party, now under large popularity in the zelya government, rewarded, praised, etc.
like svoboda, popular among Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil oblasts, they wanted the complete breakaway from ukraine, because they see it unsalvable to be part of Eastern Ukraine for them, and blietsky, and their similar nazi people are contrary to these things. rewarded by zelya, because among other things historically blietsky never pursued the disintegration of ukraine, it has the consequence that the western regions, despite their nationalism, even among western ukraine nazism, you see a larger draftdodgers.
it's interesting they are revealing this information now.
in 2025 must be much more. also, the cunts put into a path of war, to let ukraine die, amazing.
>>2519749I think that may be a mistranslation. And the reason why they're posting it - those are tips and reports
about those who are already being being searched for draft-dodging. They're snitching.
>>2519749I suspect a possibility here is that technically every man of the required age bracket are considered by default to be wanted for draft dodging because the law/draft has to be on paper applied equally, but the busification is a lot more pervasive and aggressive outside of the "Gallician Core", specifically to avoid losing support with ultra-nationalists who no doubt get a kick out of the idea that Russian Speakers are charged with resisting Russia for the benefit of Ukrainian speakers.
>>2519638It truly is amazing the lengths Ziggers will go to bend over backwards to excuse away the incompetence and lack of bold moves from Russia.
>Destroy Starlink already you retards<No we have good relations with Elon Musk and his family>Blow up the Rada and kill the Ukrainian parliament<No, Putin personally promised that Zelensky will remain alive >Missile strike and double tap Azov funerals to eliminate the most militant nationalists and their family members<No, Ukrainian fascists should be allowed to have funeral ceremonies and to bury their dead in peace>Use anti-satellite weapons to disable NATO's reconnaissance to leave Ukraine blind as to where the next offensives will happen<Nah it's ok just let Ukraine have 24/7 free intel and advance warning on all our troop locations and positionsDisgusting. And the worst part is the only people suffering for this are Russian soldiers. None of the cucked generals or political leadership of Russia face any consequences for their lack of initiative besides an escalating death toll of their own troops (who they don't care about anyways).
>>2519828>Russia just can't destroy the thousands of starlink satsIt's called a high altitude nuclear explosion. Solves many problems and the only tech you need is a nuke which conveniently enough Russia still has plenty of.
>>2519830I don’t think you read anon’s post
>>2519838I did, I just didn't feel the need to elaborate more on why my post countered every single one of his objections.
>>2519839Don’t really see how an indiscriminate EMP attack counters his objections
That being said
>killing family members at funerals Being presented as something that would have an effect on the conflict kind of frames you as the kind of edgy retard that thinks brutality is the end rather than the means.
>>2519847>Don’t really see how an indiscriminate EMP attack counters his objections Ok let me spell it out for you then since you're low lQ.
>just can't destroy the thousands of starlink satsNukes.
>destroying spy sats would just invite the US to delete their ownObviously NATO has more sats and is gaining more of an advantage than Russia is. Otherwise we would not be having this conversation about the necessity of destroying NATO sats therefore this is irrelevant.
>Not a medium term strategy either as the US can produce sats and launch rockets much much faster than Russia Each nuke can wipe out hundreds of sats and Russia has thousands of nukes. American cannot physically throw up more sats than get destroyed by nukes + kessler syndrome as mentioned earlier by other posters would soon kick in.
>China which is their lifeline would also throw a fit. China has not provided sufficient aid to ensure a quick Russian victory so China's objections are irrelevant in light of national interests.
>it's all unrealistic.it is extremely realistic and your objections are literally all irrelevant or wrong.
As for:
>frames you as the kind of edgy retard that thinks brutality is the end rather than the meansWars are brutal. Cry harder. Read Machiavelli's The Prince. Israel has essentially removed any possibility for a Palestinian state to exist while taking very few casualties. Russia is stuck 4 years into a war with no end in sight. Clearly the brutal approach works and the lame limp wrist "humanitarian" method you so obviously prefer is not achieving jack shit. Reminder that America toppled Saddam's Iraq in a single month using the method I propose while dipshit Putin isn't anywhere close to overthrowing Zelensky's government 4 years later.
>>2519849>Russia should kamikaze everyone's satellites including that of allies because they're winning too slowlyEdgy and retarded
>If a $20,000 Russian drone kills five Ukrainian soldiers, I think the cost should be increased five fold to send a drone to each of their funerals to kill their mothers… because… their ghosts will haunt Zelensky?Edgy and retarded.
>>2519866You call everything edgy as cope because you can't admit that there is something seriously wrong with how the Russian MoD wages war. You refuse to accept real life lessons of how easily NATO dismantled Yugoslavia and Iraq by bombing everything including Hospitals Schools, Funerals, etc. You will always hinder and drag down any attempt to construct a socialist state because you care more for some abstract morality or "humanitarian" impulse than doing what it takes to win a war.
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>>2519868>NATO dismantled Yugoslavia and IraqBoth resulted in situations the US/NATO doesn't have complete control over and arguably in Iraq less control than when Saddam was running the show, the cope that akshually the only goal was collapsing their state and blowing up a load of hospitals to teach the locals not to mess with America is edgy and retarded, so unsurprising you've fallen for it.
>>2518380>Welcome liberal tourists. Please face the wall now This doesnt include 3rd world liberalism right?
>>2519868>You call everything edgy as cope because you can't admit that there is something seriously wrong with how the Russian MoD wages war.They're winning.
>>2520119the price has only lost like 1-2 months of growth, they call this a 'crash'?
How goes it on ziggerpol? You pidors gearing up for full mobilisatsya to die for Nazi tsar?
>>2520122>>2520119the story behind the case is interesting. ukrainian media posted the information without mentioning that he publicly said, in his TG, that he donated millions of dollars to the UA army, transferring on the hands on some few officers these amounts.
also they whitewashed his image now, when he was related to a scam, blaming all onto the founders of the FURM token, Andriy Deyneko and Natan Saakyan without mentioning that the FURM token founders were mobilized to the front, and probably Ganich paid to not get mobilized.
also they all try to frame it exclusively because he lost 30 million because of the crash, when that alone isn't a reason. you can fall in dips, but only if you are under very shady schemes with very shady and dangerous people.
rip those bozos.
TIL Putin's grandfather was the personal cook to Lenin and Stalin. Huh.
>>2520165Did prigozhin had a family?
Russia is getting ready to mobilise 5 million more nazis
>>2520183the ghost of queef flew over his house to tell him.
>Cuban government denies participation on the SMO.
>>2520203yay porkroast will be secured by mid 2026! just another 3000 more villages and 90 more years before we reach kiev!
>>2520229Dude, Ukraine has basically placed all of their eggs in this Pokrovsk basket. The only way Russia could take Pokrovsk is if the Ukrainian army has been annihilated. I think its very probable that, after Pokrovsk, it'll be smooth sailing to liberate the rest of Donetsk and beyond.
>>2520237We could genuinely see Russian forces breezing through Ukraine before the end of the year.
>>2520229Try not to sound so mad next time
>>2520237lol I am getting "when bakhmut falls kiev in a month because there is nothing after it" vibes
>>2520279Who said that? Slovyansk and Kramatorsk are after it. In fact, after Bakhmut fell, Ukraine immediately started fortifying the small forest area in front of it.
>>2520299check the archives
>>2520309>but the /sp/ retards, tho!Oh, pfft. I don't give a shit. /sp/ posting and /sp/ posters were a mistake.
If you think you can hold them over us, go fuck yourself.
Pidors bombing orphans in Belhorod People's Republic again. Why do Nazis hate innocent communists?
>>2520237Two more weeks comrade and the evil Ukraine will be dismantled. Eternal peremoga for Nazi Russia, Z!
>>2520337Once again, do you have a source for these claims you're making?
>>2520229Lmao I see you're reading russian telegrams
Even after Bakhmut turned out to do nothing to the strength of the AFU there are still ziggers who pretend every tiny Ukrainian town is a megagigafortress that, once captured, will teleport 10M soldiers into Bankova for the final boss fight.
It can only make sense once you realise Russia literally spends trillions of rubles to pollute the internet with their nazi propaganda which is affecting places like this horribly
>>2520381Id wager all poster of this thread have been exposed to 100 times more nato propaganda than russian one, and if we count in money probably around 100.000 times more.
I don't mind the slow pace of Russian victory, if it keeps Westerners squealing loudly.
>>2520381> Even after Bakhmut turned out to do nothing to the strength of the AFUThen why are Ukrainians still crying about the butcher Syrsky? Why are AFU drone operators and artillerymen acting as infantry? Why are AFU positions on the “front” 500M to 1000M apart? Why is the AFU forming “assault forces” commanded by far right murderers who are applying Wagner level discipline to mobiks in order to fight each new Russian penetration?
The AFU was devastated at Bakhmut and by other Sysrsky adventures. The Russians just haven’t completely solved the drone problem which would allow the return of mobile warfare.
>>2519868Moronic. The combat power gap between NATO and Iraq or Yugoslavia was an order of magnitude. NATO has pooled a significant amount of its arsenal to prop Ukraine up while a new method of warfare is developing that doesn’t have good answers yet (drones).
The Russians fucked up by trying to do a cheap NATO intervention instead of going full force from the beginning.
>>2520475The vast majority of them inject themselves with hopium because of the slow pace. The collective primal scream won't happen until Ukraine is forced to capitulate.
>>2520502The hopium barely takes the edge off. The existential dread has long set in.
>>2520129>under the leadership of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin to attack NATOWestoid propaganda slop becomes hilarious when one is versed in the ways of the Kremlincucks.
Just so you guys, and sometimes my gals, know - NATO recently had a summit in Slovenia and in no small part I think it is because the Slovene government dangled a NATO membership referendum to the populations face.
>US contacted China to arrange a phone call wrt Beijing's expanded controls on rare earth exports, but the request was denied
This is how you deal with the US, btw.
>>2520514They are allowing a referendum?
we're back to grinding the donbass, eh?
>>2519868>russia should damage international relations with countries that it should be rallying while pushing the looming threat of nuclear weapons use massively closer in a move that wouldn't even necessarily win them the war. Why? Because thirty years ago NATO bombed some hospitals. If you disagree with this you hate socialism.lol
>>2520682Usual ignorant russian chauvinist cope, atlas V was like a percent of US launches and decomissioned last year so no
>>2520229>>2520683Third position: There's no compelling evidence whatsoever that Putin wants to keep going to Kiev (at whatever pace). Even Odessa is questionable at this point.
>>2520237>it'll be smooth sailing to liberate the rest of Donetsk and beyond.We hear this for every Donetsk battle.
Mariupol is the big oneBakhmut is the big oneAvdiivka is the big one Pokrovsk is the big one.
Eventually the claim is going to be correct because there are only a finite number of battle sites.
>>2519756Wasn't Transcarpathia almost as sceptical of post-2014 Ukrainian nationalism as Eastern Ukrainian Russian speakers because of their Rusyn identity. Could it be that battle-age men from other regions have been already exterminated by the Jewish cokehead? I have definitely seen videos of people fighting conscripters in Western oblasts.
Reading Z social media be like
>the last remaining fortifications
>have erected new fortifications
>the last remaining fortifications
>have erected new fortifications
>the last remaining fortifications
>have erected new fortifications
>the last remaining fortifications
>have erected new fortifications
>the last remaining fortifications
>have erected new fortifications
>the last remaining fortifications
>have erected new fortifications
>>2520760>>2520763That's just cheerleading on X, nafo cheerleaders are far more egregious in that they don't have victories to over-exaggerate and instead their Xweets are various forms of
>Wow you'd think the Russians would be winning a bit faster than this, they must therefore be losing!or
>Wow you'd think it'd be impossible to strike a bridge/train/oil facility/supermarket in Russia, they must therefore be losing!strangely performing the same kind of concern trolling we get ITT where because Russia aren't living up to their Hollywood/History Channel stereotype against one of the poorest states in Europe, the stereotype of an emotionless, thoughtless but inexplicably industrialist asiatic horde that would nook Ukraine day one and zerg rush the military through their own fallout day two is
wrong outdated and thus there's nothing to fear about pushing Ukraine to continue and dreaming of NATO intervention, like there was during the Cold War.
>>2520761Yes
And Hungarians
But it wasn't an acute clash with maidan like donbass
>>2520760>>2520763just like the other anon said
>Slovyansk and Kramatorskare the final line and always have been
>>2520763No it isn't like that at all. You can very easily just go open a map of Ukraine and see that there no major built up areas behind Slovyansk and Kramatorsk until Dnipropetrovsk.
AFU might be able to hold the line there by droning the open country but they will be pushed far out of the Donbass.
>nooooo AFU daily casualty numbers aren't real they can't hurt you
>Just pretend they're made up lol
<*mobilises 5 million pidors*
Lmao. Nazi cope for this?
>>2520794Idk, why aren't you asking Ukraine supporters?
>>2520524No, the general pop was not happy with the 5% for NATO, so the government said alright, we don't want to pay, we don't stay, but then a referendum didn't happen. It would have been nonbindin anyway
>>2519565Tankies rekt in the crossfire
>>2520813What does fortification mean concretely? From what I know it's almost all about digging trenches. Why would that be so hard to do and can't it be done relatively fast?
>>2520826>Why would that be so hard to do and can't it be done relatively fast?I have no idea but if that were the case then isn't the question why Ukraine isn't doing it?
>>2520826>>2520828It’s essentially turning these towns into military bases with barracks, command centres, supply stations, drone operators, maybe artillery and AA, anti-tank missile defences placed in windows for all the buildings on the outskirts, booby traps, ambushes and chokepoints, etc
I suppose the Russian military could just level them entirely, but that’s a lot of firework to achieve and Ukraine famously doesn’t evacuate civilians settlements they’ve turned into fortresses until they’re about to be lost and undergoing military evacuation, who then shell their abandoned fortress because any remaining civilians who didn’t evacuate are traitors welcoming the Russians.
>>2520813And why do those roads and railways still work? Because Cucktin refuses to nuke them and would prefer to have hundreds of thousands of russians die storming heavily defended forts.
>>2520839You blow up train lines, roads and bridges when retreating.
Also you got to get over this conflict not going nuclear, that’s one gore video you’re just not going to be able to masturbate to.
>>2520839>And why do those roads and railways still work? Russia has started targeting railways more heavily recently.
>>2520844>You blow up train lines, roads and bridges when retreating.He/she means to interfere with logistics like the bridge Russia hit recently and the railway attacks it's bumped up recently.
I love how the NAFOids just revealed themselves as the Cucktin posters.
However, I'd like to point out, a full Russian conquest of Ukraine is unlikely. Why? Cost of rebuilding.
Ukraine will be left alive as a rump state waiting for IMF loans and bailout, and it'll get it. It's a 500 billion hole in NATO's pocket, then another 200-300 billion in sovereign debt. THEN Russian agents will seize the government and default. Haha, IMF, down 1 trillion, are we?
>>2520381>>2520433Every accusation is a confession, especially coming from Nafoids lol.
>>2521013If first world vs Russia was a total war it'd end in nukes
>>2521013post that photo on nafo rooms :^)
>>2521016the lib call others lib when he wants a reedition of 1945 in a world where the same powers all have nukes.
the lib wants the world to end.
>>2521020Ukraine is at war with Russia because since 2014 east west conflict escalated to a limited war. Moving to a total war means nukes
I wonder if people understand that nukes are liable to kill more people long term than conventional fighting, have ramifications beyond the battlefield and that nukes IRL aren’t like in Call Of Duty or War Thunder where their use ends a match as a programmed rule
>The mayor of Odessa had his Ukrainian citizenship revoked.
>>2521023Ukraine and Russia are at war because Russia and the west are locked in a conflict
>>2521165Two words
>Headphone DiscoThe youths of Kiev can still party down in nightclubs using battery power. Checkmate!
>>2521165>>2521171Are you happy that we see the same shit as 3 years ago? Bravo, whatever makes you cope…
>>2521183bitches malding, bitches malding hard.
>>2520839you can always go and blown them up.
>>2521184TPPs and substations on the other hand…
Ziggers seem to be angry and nervous at the same time.
>Germany is acting against NATO’s interests by continuing a criminal investigation into the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage, Poland’s national security chief, Slawomir Cenckiewicz, has claimed, urging Berlin to shut down the probe.
>>2521278really?
>>2521196 (me) I am having a blast at you.
Even if Hirohito was evil, pearl harbor was pure kino. Cucktin would never.
>>2521278are the ziggers in the room with us right now?
>>2521143Soviet cartoons and movies were always brvtal trvkes
>>2521306Pearl Harbor was the one military target, the one colonial outpost, that Japan actually struck. And that's the one I'm expected to condemn?
Tomahawks on MosKKKow
Firebomb zigger vermin
>1.5 million Ukrainian casualties
"Russia fucked up"
>Russian military grown 15% larger every year since 22
"Russia fucked up"
>nato wunderwaffen knocked off their pedestal
"Russia fucked up"
>germany won't reach pre war weapons stocks for 100 years
"Russia fucked up"
>nato economies and societies imploding while Russian economy growing
"Russia fucked up"
>Russia advances increasing by the day while Ukraine begs for unilateral ceasefires
"Russia fucked up"
>>2521463I though we shouldn't pick sides in inter-imperialist conflicts?
>>2521184>The rails themselves need to be replaced every few years anyways.How are you consistently posting the dumbest fucking shit on this board? Wooden ties last decades. The rails last even longer and unless used with a lot of heavy goods can easily last a century.
>>2520836Soviet towns and cities are hard to meaningfully “level”. There is so much underground infrastructure and concrete buildings turn into bunkers when blown up.
Just look at how Hamas is still operating in northern Gaza despite most buildings being levelled and having zero anti-air capability.
>>2520826Trenches are almost useless in the current drone war. “Fortifications” means bunkers for troops and supplies. Larger towns and cities will have exisiting underground infrastructure, either from Soviet era or constructed after 2014, which is immune to drones.
Troops out in the field now are just 2-3 men hiding in a small tunnel attached to a fighting hole or trench. These aren’t immune to drones and one of the major sources of casualties now is concussion from attack drones hitting around the bunker.
>>2521661>How are you consistently posting the dumbest fucking shit on this board?it truly is amazing
>>2521656Memes aside, I think its very impressive how the SMO has awakened the Russian people.
Before 2014, yes, Russians were hypnotized into a state of NFKRZ-ium. But the SMO especially has truly reawakened the essence of the Russian civilizational spirit that had previously been lost for decades. Russians today are more patriotic, more loving the thousand-year history of their people, and more understanding of the nature of the West than any point post-Stalin. Russia is embracing that her civilization is not a Western one, but a Eurasian one, and what is the spirit of this civilization?
As Zyuganov has stated, out of the hundreds of states around the world today, only slightly more than a dozen or so have a genuinely thousand-year history. And even of these states, the only two with a thousand-year history of unbroken sovereignty and freedom from foreign occupation exist, those being Russia and Britain.
And unlike Britain, safe behind the Dover Straight, Russia maintained her independence for a thousand years despite unrelenting attempts at conquest from foreign powers, each with a yearning to control the "heartland" of world geopolitics. This is the basis of the Russian spirit, an unending yearning for independence and freedom despite needing to defend against unremitting aggression from foreign powers for a thousand years. The Russian people today are wholly aware and understanding of this. Even if Putin were to try to sabotage the SMO and surrender his country to NATO, the Russian people would, as they did in the early 1600s against the Polish invaders, unite to preserve their motherland on their own accord. It is a law of Russian spirit.
>>2521768Thanks for this copium comrade, I was beginning to have illegal thoughts that could have discredited the Russian Armed Forces. We nazis will take Kyiv how many millions of lives it will take and before 2040 Inshallah
>>2521768>the only two with a thousand-year history of unbroken sovereignty and freedom from foreign occupation existSure, if you don’t count having a German monarchy.
>>2521886That’s from 2022/23 isn’t it? They’ve raised production a bit but still far below Russian let alone Chinese production.
Until the West introduces a command economy for military industries they are going to be paying multiple times what Russia or China do.
Could be worse though. At least NATO soldiers aren’t having to crowd fund weapons and gear like Ukraine.
>>2521934They don't really pay that much more though if they just print that money anyway
>>2521978>failed summer offensivesMemoryholed on leftypol
<w-we didn't want those anyway, b-baka! >>2521656>There was an interjection from the floor. And then Putin said, "Look, uh uh I you're going to talk to>4:20>me about the Tomahawks." And the question then came, well, what are we going to do about the Tomahawks? And a>4:28>clearly very annoyed Putin said, um, we're going to beef up our air defenses.>4:34>Full stop. He didn't say anything more than that. And he moved immediately on to the next subject. So, uh, my my take>4:42>on this is that he really doesn't want to talk about this subject. He doesn't want to talk about the Tomahawks. and>4:50>people in Russia and that was the whole dynamic of this press conference were>4:55>pushing him and saying to him well you you know what you mean I mean you can't just leave it at that you can't uh run>5:03>away from this subject so you could see that Putin was being challenged at this press conference in ways that you know>5:10>are to put it mildly extremely unusual>5:15>within the Russian media space.>[…]>But with Putin, usually it's much, much more>5:32>respectful than this. This is one instance when, as I said, the media, the media group, who are all Russian>5:38 >journalists, by the way. He was only taking questions from sections of the Russian media. They are getting>5:45>increasingly frustrated about this. >[…]>6:03>But, but the point is, as I said, that this is now being done in much more aggressive ways than I have ever seen.>6:10>And this is coming, as I said, from the media. and the media clearly are expressing wider frustrations within>6:18>Russian society and within sections of the Russian leadership. Anyway, he still>6:23>clings on to this idea that he can somehow patch something together with Donald Trump. >>2521998 (me)
>[MERCOURIS]>So he's trying to play this whole issue down. The point is that>7:33>people in Russia I mean they they don't care anymore.>7:40>they they don't believe that this dialogue between Putin and Trump is>7:46>going to lead anywhere in the end. And the fact that the media, the Russian>7:52>media are challenging Putin. The fact that the Russian foreign ministry is challenging Putin shows that Putin on>8:01>this question, as we discussed in our previous program, is becoming increasingly uh well, he's he's>8:07>increasingly out there on a limb. Why doesn't Putin just play it straight with Trump? Because this is not>8:13>diplomacy. This is not diplomacy from Trump. Definitely not diplomacy from Trump.>[…]>21:40>which would gain support in Moscow. The problem is that Putin is going way>21:48>beyond that. He's saying all of these red lines are being crossed and it>21:53>doesn't matter. And that is what I think is creating real tension and difficulty>22:00>in Moscow. And it comes back to a point I have been making in program after>22:06>program. We have been making it program after program. I've been uh had a whole>22:12>argument about this with somebody very recently. In Russia, Putin is a>22:18>moderate. Very very much on the moderate side of the Russian political spectrum.>22:25>Um, and not only is he a moderate, he's becoming now an increasingly isolated>22:31>moderate. This is not going to continue for very much longer. >>2521994Nice, bog down the Russians there, bleed them dry, make them even more fascist while burgerstan has no dead.
>but muh lost equipmentLiterally who cares when its urop that pays of it while burgers keep living the dream
>>2522020the rule is clear, where is russia whiping Ukroanimals now that the ukronazis are trying to make ragebait to cope.
>>2522002you could at least remove the friggin timestamps
>>2522025Seems like you're discrediting the fallen members of the Russian Armed Forces who are achieving a glorious victory for our NaZi Reich.
(USER ALREADY BANNED) >>2522002Mercouris is the smart Duran brother
>>2522020I like just how competent the USSR looks compared to russia. 10 year police operation with minimal casualties compared to this shitshow.
This general fucking sucks
>>2522049If the Duran is starting to wake up from the copium, I think it truly is over.
Can someone explain to me, why the fuck is putin such a cuck to the orange migger? Like for real why is he so obsessed with the fucking west. WHY THEY FUCK PUTIN???? WHY??? WHY DID GOD CURSE YOUR SORRY CUCKOLD ASS???? FUCK THIS STUPID CUCKTIN REGIME! WHY CAN'T HE JUST NUKE THE WEST??? WHY??? PUSSY FUCKING FAGGOT.
>>2522071used to be better. mods have let it go to shit
>>2522071Russian imperialism sucks even more
>>2522131Then why can't NATO destroy it? Are they fucking retarded?
>>2522191>Then why is BASED anti imperialist, anti nato and pro global South Putin doing this????Because Russia is allowed to keep their bases in Syria.
>>2521944The us pays very much more because it prints money. The profits needed to sustain the mic require ever growing prices and ever larger profits. Since the government can't enforce any regulatory oversight, prices just keep ballooning to the point they're spending as much as their peer adversaries combined just to receive a fraction of the material, much of which doesn't even work right.
>>2522071not enough nafo banning, but theyre so dedicated to it you'd need someone around the clock and its not like their seething change anything
>>2522177did that drone operator just prevent a rape
>>2522191russia never pretended they were doing this for democracy and that they have a problem with islamists dictatorship, they were helping an ally which lost
and russia were not the ones who armed and funded his faction either
ah the nafotards, gotta explain everything to them because they lack basic reasoning capacity
>>2522191Multipolarity means letting Al Qaeda have their own state. Respect for other societies is part of the new world order. The time of crusades, whether they be liberal, socialist, or racial in nature, are over. Every country now gets to decide for themselves what they want to do. Syria decided that head chopping jihadists was their best solution for their society, so we should let them do as they want. I know that such a thought is horrifying for your Western globalist mind that seeks to pulverize the entire world into one system, but this is the future. Get used to it.
>>2522295>Topple the last Baathist government in the middle east>Endorse a new leader you previously considered a terrorist who is photographed with severed heads<This is all the fault of Russia and China though for rocking the boat with their multipolarity nonsenseReally poor attempt.
>>2522306based, ukrops need to do the same
>>2522306>St. Petersburg>ProlesHmmm maybe but that's hardly assured.
>>2521656>DURAN NO LONGER SUPPORTS CUCKTIN.it's a misreading of the events. Russia already preemptively left Ukraine without electricity, as a whole. not just one region and that's it. and that was after ukraine received the already nuclear capable stormshadows, where it was stated that it was an escalation. Putin obviously, like most diplomats in Russia won't say how they will react after escalations, the same way they didn't say how they would react after 2014.
>>2522191pf. even the US established diplomatic relationships with the communist Vietnam. this is not the gotcha you think it is, because you are killing the "this is an inter-imperialistic war" trolls with your trolling.
>>2522328Do you think Cucktin will cut down internet on the Ukraine if Ukraine nukes Moscow or is that too much escalation for him?
>>2522306>Street musicians were joined by hundreds of Russians>video shows a mosh pit, no more than some tens of people.>St. Petersburg.hey, remind me, who's the "sheep" society that doesn't protest their war leaders again, and would willingly sing songs on Europe to talk about the overthrown of their governments for the issue of the "sour Crimean cherry plum"?
>>2522306based based based based based base based based based based based based
death to imperialism
death to russia
respect Ukraine's right to self determination (lenin said so!)
>Surrender to fascists backed by imperialists, their conscripted soldiers used to be proles
<Valery "Eye" Lennon
>>2522191Putin is Jolani's real father so this is normal.
oh, never mind
>>2522306, I've found that
some people are not so sheep in the EU.
applaud it
>>2522306, cretin, go on. show me your truly leftcomism. I will do so as well. go on, and show ITT that you are not bad-fait b8ing this thread.
>>2522280>Difficult economic situation>Conscripted soldiers who haven't been rotated for years>woman just randomly in a field near either the front or a military base, and not really dressed for itIt certainly looks like it based on the struggle, but I wonder whether it started that way or if she got wise to the possibility he hasn't been paid in months either.
>>2522280yuuup. a ukrainian soldier raping a ukrainian soldier woman.
>>2522388It’s probably all that shit you’ve been consoooming
>>2522393Are you discrediting the nutrition available in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation fellow naZi?
you still have no electricity, nafo troll.
>>2522248>Because Russia is allowed to keep their bases in SyriaUh no imma need you to forget all about global alignments now and stop supporting Russia on that basis
It makes me butthurt and post here
>Italy stops extradition of Ukrainian Nord Stream suspect to Germany.
>>2522420I post with superior nazi technology. My MoD issue donkey walks on a treadmill powering my machine. Heil Putin for blessing us wonders nafo can only dream about, Blood and Zoil!
>>2522473selling them out? they dont even exist anymore, how could they be sold (beyond assad himself, and it certainly isnt looking like he is getting sold anytime soon)
https://www.thekomisarscoop.com/2025/10/hillary-clinton-replies-to-my-question-as-liar-or-ignorant-of-reasons-for-u-s-war-in-ukraine/
>I asked a question. “My name is Lucy Komisar. I’m a journalist.
>“I was very impressed with the Dean’s analysis of how one should look with empathy and look at the other side. And then I saw in the discussion of Russia absolutely the opposite. I didn’t hear anybody talk about Kissinger and Kennan talking about not moving NATO one inch to the east, the 2014 American-sponsored coup that threw out an elected Ukraine head of government because he was too pro-Russian, the new government bombing the Russian speakers for eight years.
<WESTIN: (Westin is anchor of Wall Street Week, Bloomberg). There’s a question here, right? I’m sorry, ma’am, is there a question in here? Is there a question? This is a speech. I’m sorry. [My comment so far is way shorter than others are allowed to speak without interruption, as long as they don”t challenge the speaker.]
>Q: And then Ambassador—yes—Sullivan’s utter misstatement of Putin, who said—
<WESTIN: Yeah, a question has to have a question mark at the end.
>Q: Let me finish. That the Soviet Union, anybody that wanted it—that talked about it being collapsed, that it was a tragedy, but anybody that wanted to have it come back had no brain. Why did you not talk about any of these facts? And instead of that do a lot of armchair psychologizing about Putin and his motives?
<HILLARY CLINTON: First of all—(applause, this is the Council, cheerleaders of the Deep State!)—I reject the premise of your question. I think you have gone into a lot of misstatements. (Applause.) I don’t agree at all about a lack of empathy and understanding. You know, both John and I have spent a lot of time with Putin trying to understand. And what we finally understood is that he wants to destroy the West and destroy the United States.
>[Comment: Surreal, delusional! Especially since it’s the U.S.-NATO that wants to destroy Russia. Former US Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote in his 2014 memoir “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War” that, “When the Soviet Union was collapsing in late 1991, Dick wanted to see the dismantlement not only of the Soviet Union and the Russian empire but of Russia itself, so it could never again be a threat to the rest of the world.” Translation: “to U.S. hegemony.”
<Clinton: And you may disagree with that. You may have a more benevolent view of what he did, invading—you know, first of all, making up Chechen war, invading Georgia, invading Ukraine twice, threatening his neighbors, being Assad’s air force. I could go on and on. So you have your view. I do not think it is the view supported by history. And certainly not the view of what we’re seeing today.
<I would commend to you, if you’re willing to read it, a recent study out of the University of Munich talking about what if Putin could win. Because there’s no doubt, with his latest drone activity and what he’s trying to do to intimidate everybody from Poland to Romania to Denmark to Italy, he is sending a message that you had better back off from supporting Ukraine, a free and independent country that has every right to chart its own sovereign future—just like Poland did joining NATO, just like Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania did joining NATO. Putin and Russia don’t have a veto over what free and independent nations can choose for themselves. It’s time he understood that and got over both his history and the greater history that has kept him imprisoned and kept Russia poor, an extractive commodity market that could do so much more on behalf of its own people. And you and I have a disagreement. (Applause.)
>No time here to go into the fakeries said of the drones (some coming from Ukraine and Poland), the Islamic Chechen war when Islamic terrorists were good guys, Georgia in 2008 invaded South Ossetia, which had declared independence, Russia was provoked to send troops into Donbass after 8 years of Ukraine bombing ethnic Russians there. Note that these were Deep State operations, including the Georgia war. Romania, Denmark, Italy???? Evidence? If Russia is so poor how can it invade Europe? Or how does its extractive market-based economy have a higher growth rate than the U.S. and Europe? Why does anyone believe what Hillary says?
<WESTIN: I will add only that I am so happy for the Council and for the United States of America where we can have this sort of discussion.
<CLINTON: Absolutely.
<WESTIN: There are a lot of places in the world we could not have had this sort of discussion, which is only beneficial.
>Following Westin’s assertion that at the Council one could have this discussion, I was threatened by the Council director of meetings that I could be defenestrated (removed from membership) for asking my question. This is relevant in an era where from cancel culture to deportations, free speech in the U.S. is under attack.
>Her email:Subject: 10/8 CFR Event
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2025 21:16:34 +0000
From: Nancy Bodurtha NB
***@*fr.org
To: LK@
<Dear Lucy:
<Following your disregard of the moderator at last evening’s discussion with Secretary Clinton, Dean Yarhi-Milo, and Ambassador Sullivan, I write to remind you that CFR’s code of conduct is explicit in the expectation that members exhibit the highest levels of courtesy and respect toward speakers, moderators, staff, guests, and one another. CFR reserves the right to drop or suspend members for any conduct that is prejudicial to the best interests, reputation, and proper functioning of the organization.
<Sincerely,<NancyNancy D. Bodurtha
Vice President, Meetings and Membership
Council on Foreign Relations
58 East 68th Street, New York, New York 10065
tel 212.434.9466
nb
***@*fr.org www.cfr.org
>My response:
>Following my remarks, Westin said: “I am so happy for the Council and the United States of America where we can have this sort of discussion. There are a lot of places in the world where we could not have had this sort of discussion, which is only beneficial.”
>I guess you don’t agree. Should I ask him if my question was “prejudicial to the best interests, reputation, and proper functioning of the organization”? Of course, there are countries where questions like mine would not be allowed. Was your message to me directed by [Council president] Mike Froman or your own idea? BTW, NOBODY intimidates me!
>and
>The best interest of the Council is to promote diversity of views and expression, not to try to shut down minority views.
>Lucy Komisar
>She did not respond.
>Hard to know if my view is “minority” since people have often thanked me for questions they did not raise themselves.
>Council officials should inform Nancy Bodurtha that it is not appropriate to threaten journalist members for asking challenging questions of powerful political figures. >>2522473Damn Ruskiy mir keeps taking Ls
>>2522507lol, lmao even, they can ask as much as they want
Big nato win here
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1977615662643036449
>"Second class": Latvia will forcibly deport Russian pensioners by November By November, the country will begin forcibly expelling Russian citizens who failed to pass the Latvian language exam. This was reported by Riga City Council deputy Yulia Sokhina. According to her, the authorities' attitude towards Russian speakers is second-rate.
>Today is the deadline for Russians to confirm their language proficiency and renew their residence permits. Now hundreds of people – mostly elderly, sick, and lonely pensioners – face the threat of deportation. Local authorities call this a "violation of migration law." They are preparing to expel 800 people.
>According to Sokhina, Latvian officials do not even try to understand that these are elderly people who have lived in the country for decades but physically cannot attend the exam.
>📝 "Overall, the ruling elites' position is: if you didn't learn the language – it's your own fault," the deputy emphasized.
>✖️ At the same time, passing the exam is almost impossible: the tasks are difficult, the test is conducted only in Latvian with questions like "Whose Crimea?" Some pensioners did not even know that they had to take the exam – they were notified about it by email.>>2522529This would be the fate of everyone in Donbass if not for the SMO. And people here laugh when its explained that these Nazi-apologist states are committing genocide on the Russians there.
>>2522529If they wanted to move from Russia to Latvia why didn't they learn the language of the new country they moved to?
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2522534You're talking about people that have been living there since before the collapse of the Soviet Union, possibly even before there was a Soviet Union.
>>2522534Because Latvia has historically been within Russia? What the fuck is this question? You do realize that Latvia as an independent state was only ever achieved in very brief instances and always from foreign imperialism, such as German imperialism in WWI.
>>2522534Do you also advocate the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Spanish speakers from the US?
>>2522542They're Russian citizens who moved after the USSR fell not ethnic Russian Latvian citizens. You seem confused.
>>2522521Okay we will see
Regarding tomahawks
https://www.ft.com/content/fe9e2704-c39d-42e7-8bcb-dc9ae9748a3e
>However, the US would probably be able to supply only a few to Ukraine. This is in light of the fact that, out of the 200 the Pentagon has procured since 2022, it has already fired more than 120, according to defence experts. The defence department has requested funding for only 57 more Tomahawks in its 2026 budget.
>Washington would probably also need Tomahawks for any strike on Venezuelan soil.
>Stacie Pettyjohn, director of the defence programme at the Center for a New American Security think-tank, said Washington could spare some 20 to 50 Tomahawks for Ukraine, “which will not decisively shift the dynamics of the war”.…
>While the long-range missiles could complement Ukraine’s own long-range attack drones and cruise missiles “in large complex salvos to greater effect”, they would “still will be a very limited capability . . . certainly not enough to enable sustained, deep attacks against Russia”, they added.>>2522549Latvia even today after decades of anti-Russian ethno-nationalism has regions that are wholly Russian, saying that Russians shouldn't move to Russian-speaking areas just because an arbitrary border split it from the rest of Russia is absurd.
>>2522550
They're being ethnically targeted for expulsion using arbitrary language requirements in a country where as much as a third of the population are ethnic Russians that speak Russian.
You can try and be obtuse if you want but we know that this is just boiling the frog to try and induce Russians to "self deport." It's ethnic cleansing with a human face.
>>2522550
Erasure of a people's language through threat of ethnic cleansing is actually cool and good if it targets Russians
>>2522505Hillary Clinton has nothing critical to add to the crisis and represents why liberalism is failing in the first place.
>>2522570>"self-deport">30k immigrate to foreign country without language>2.6k leave for RF>800 due to be deported>…<Therefore 27k were GENOCIDED by learning high-school level LatvianThat's 90% of the new post-Soviet Russian community in Latvia who were capable learning an extra language - the language of the country they moved to
Incredible isn't it? Are you all monolingual Amerikkkan losers? You tell yourself that you're ethnic cleansing yourself if you learn another language so you remain stupid on purpose? That explains the state of this board especially this general.
https://www.politico.eu/article/latvia-orders-800-russian-citizens-out-mid-october/(USER ALREADY BANNED) >>2522618Targeting a language for erasure is indeed ethnic cleansing if it's tied to an ethnicity. If international capitalism is unable to promote democratic systems, then the West should not be surprised when it finds itself at war. The crux of the problem in the east is there is no liberalism to reject, just pure class warfare waged on the basis of nationality.
>>2522618>to foreign country without languageWithout language? The places they moved to are overwhelmingly Russian speaking. The odd one out wouldn't be a monolingual Russian speaker moving there, it would be a monolingual Latvian speaker. But you ignore that because you think that the Latvian nationalist project has some sort of primordial right to force the Russians there to stop being Russian.
>>2522633Not what happened. Lavrov was just saying that if western states justify Israel by saying it's just a military operation to "denazify" Gaza, then they should sympathize with Russia where that is actually happening. Russia fights for Palestinians consistently when Israel is the focus of the conversation, it's Ukraine that is the side that loves Israel.
>>2522633Don't fight for ethnic supremacy within your state and it won't collapse in a failed proxy war
>>2522642So true, putin said Israel's genocide was a disgusting atrocity… ah no wait he said that about Charlie Kirk being mogged.
>>2522642Are you really pretending that Putin is anti Israel
>>2522618<Therefore 27k were GENOCIDED by learning high-school level LatvianYou're just being obtuse.
>>2522618Yeah it is ethnic cleansing. Latvia had multiple language communities before the Russian Empire let alone the Soviet Union. But as it is run by diaper pissing little ethno-state liberasts now they are trying to ethnically homogenise the population.
I think people should learn the major languages in the country they live in, but stripping citizenship for not doing so is reactionary. Ethno-nationalism was the core pillar of Nazism and all ethno-nationalism devolves to Nazism.
>>2522591For those that don't have the time: he basically says that Russia is committed to follow through to the bitter end, and he doesn't expect the West to be able to change from its stance of refusing to compromise with Russia. So he expects Russia to achieve most or all of its territorial objectives in 2026, then to offer nato some kind of out which nato will be unable to reject, particularly in the face of intensifying bellicose rhetoric from nato states. If that's the case then Russia will continue to capture territory as it said it would until either they come to the table or Ukraine ceases to exist in part or in whole.
He goes on to say that he believes that Russia will keep offering terms for nato which they will continually reject, both because nato can't withstand the destruction of the hegemonic narrative and also because they'll keep hoping for some kind of black swan event a la Syria.
Apparently the tomahawk has some new small mobile launcher, but just like the storm shadow and other missile weapons, they might be effective for a short time but over time Russian AD will build a profile and the effectiveness will drop off. "Nato weapons work in Ukraine, until they don't." Both sides know that the tomahawks won't be enough to force Russia to the table on Nato's terms. Sleboda expects the tomahawks to be used in some big desperation play on Nato's part involving scalps, storm shadows, etc volley fired at long range Russian targets, which could cause Russia to respond to targets in Nato countries like their bases in Germany.
>>2522615Yeah, to me the article is kind of just emblematic of how stultified Western politics and all their ideological organs have become. They take any kind of dissent as a threat and just endlessly repeat their own self satisfied, insipid conclusions to each other. They can't realistically respond to any of the crises they face and create because they aren't even aware of what they are or capable of understanding them if they do.
>>2522708>cucktin shooting at nato countrieswont happen
'Surprising' drop in military aid to Ukraine in recent months, report sayshttps://kyivindependent.com/military-aid-to-ukraine-declines-sharply-in-recent-months-report-finds/
>Military aid to Ukraine has fallen dramatically in recent months, a report by the Kiel Institute published on Oct. 14 has found.
>Military aid to Ukraine fell in the months of July and August despite the introduction of the Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List (PURL), which allows Ukraine's European NATO allies to purchase weapons for Kyiv from the U.S.
>The first delivery of military equipment under the PURL program arrived in Ukraine a month prior, Suspilne reported on Sept. 18, citing an unnamed NATO official.
>"(T)he decline in military aid in July and August is surprising. Despite the NATO PURL initiative, Europe is scaling back its overall military support. What will be crucial now is how the figures evolve in the autumn," Christoph Trebesch, head of the Ukraine Support Tracker and Research Director at the Kiel Institute, said.
>Despite the signing of the PURL agreement between the U.S. and NATO on July 14, deliveries of military aid have only fallen over the summer. Most of the military aid Ukraine received was provided under the new initiative, but failed to match the previous support in recent months.
>In July and August, total military aid to Ukraine fell 43% lower than the amount received in the first half of the year.
>At the beginning of the year, as the U.S. stopped delivering new military aid packages, Ukraine's European allies stepped up to fill the gap. Kyiv continued to receive consistent support in the first half of 2025, which even exceeded amounts provided years prior, the Kiel Institute found.
>Military aid from Europe to Ukraine fell by 57% in July and August, even as Ukraine's European allies continued to contribute through NATO's PURL program.
>Although military aid has fallen in recent months, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine has stayed consistent.
>"The overall level of financial and humanitarian support has remained comparatively stable —even in the absence of U.S. contributions," Trebesch said. "It is now crucial that this stability extends to military support as well, as Ukraine relies on it to sustain its defense efforts on the ground."
>Several European countries have pledged support to Ukraine through the PURL initiative.
>Denmark has allocated about $90 million, while Sweden has contributed $275 million and Norway approximately $135 million.
>The Netherlands funded the first aid package with $590 million, and Germany has pledged $500 million to Ukraine. >>2522692>obvious takethe nazis itt will complain
>>2522708>Sleboda expects the tomahawks to be used in some big desperation play on Nato's part involving scalps, storm shadows, etc volley fired at long range Russian targets, which could cause Russia to respond to targets in Nato countries like their bases in Germany.Not quite. He seemed to think it a possibility more than an expectation or prediction. He said this is what he'd do in NATO's position because the tomacucks on their own won't be any more game changing than the previous wonderwaffles. So an option is to throw all the wonderwaffles together in a big barrage and hope for some kind of decisive blow. The downside being if it doesn't deliver you've shot your load (these weapons have limited supply) and it it does work there is a risk of greater blowback from russian counter-escalation.
>>2522718not under current conditions, but he's speculating a scenario where nato has successfully struck russia with a much bigger complex attack. in such a situation putin may have little choice but to respond in kind.
>>2522507expect 0 extradition.
and I am 100% sure that will get the bases in Syria removed.
>>2522734>Not quite. He seemed to think it a possibility more than an expectation or prediction. He said this is what he'd do in NATO's position because the tomacucks on their own won't be any more game changing than the previous wonderwaffles. So an option is to throw all the wonderwaffles together in a big barrage and hope for some kind of decisive blow. The downside being if it doesn't deliver you've shot your load (these weapons have limited supply) and it it does work there is a risk of greater blowback from russian counter-escalation.You're right, that's a more accurate way of putting it. "If I was in their shoes" type comment.
>not under current conditions, but he's speculating a scenario where nato has successfully struck russia with a much bigger complex attack. in such a situation putin may have little choice but to respond in kind.Yeah, he mentions a few times growing frustration with Putin's moderation within Russia, possibly within his own government. I kind of glossed over it because he didn't provide much specifics or elaborate.
>>2522847>To understand what the Russian high command is doing we have to go back to the ww2 soviet concept of Operative ArtDeep Battle fanatics on suicide watch?
>>2522796
no, you asshat, go to any maga forum or internet social media and say that it's unimportant to force immigrants to learn English (fucking trump is on a crusade to remove Spanish from all the federal institutions).
you are as retarded as you come.
>>2522049>Mercouris is the smart Duran brotherBoth Duran bros are dragging Putin for his softness now. Mercouris is the milder one, so if even he's saying that Putin is becoming "increasingly isolated" and that Putin's appeasement of Trump is bizarre, that's a sign of how bad things are becoming because normally Mercouris is a 12D-chess cuck (which is why he's such a hit among some of the resident straggler-apologists).
>>2522708>which could cause Russia to respond to targets in Nato countries like their bases in Germany.I hope there's a Polymarket position for this so I can take more money from those who don't understand the ways of Christcucktin.
I found this from RT Arabic about assad extradition request to syria. This is Russian state media take on this
https://arabic.rt.com/press/1720889-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%B9-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%87%D9%84-%D8%AA%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85-%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%83%D9%88-%D8%A8%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%AF-%D8%A5%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%82/Publication date:
15.10.2025 | 09:21 GMT
Sharia in the Kremlin: Will Moscow hand Bashar al-Assad over to Damascus? / RT
Syrian President Ahmad al-Shara did not wait for a new date for the postponed Russia-Arab League summit, which was scheduled for the 15th of this month. Instead, he decided to meet with his Russian counterpart in Moscow amid mixed expectations regarding the agenda for the one-day visit, which will last behind closed doors.
Al-Sharaa had spoken to an American channel on the eve of the visit about Damascus' demand to hand over deposed President Bashar al-Assad, who resides with his family and a large number of his entourage in Moscow's most upscale neighborhood (Moscow City). He occupies several luxury apartments that he purchased over the years prior to his escape, transporting suitcases laden with the Syrian people's money. These funds have arrived on private or regular flights to Moscow since 2014, where they are employed by a network of commercial agents and brokers, who invest them in real estate and purchase assets for major private banks.
Bashar and his uncle, Mohammed Makhlouf, conspired to plunder and smuggle Syrian funds to three destinations: Russia, Belarus, and Romania. A large number of brokers were involved in the transfer and disbursement of these funds. This author has testimonies from individuals who were part of the inner circle responsible for handling the affairs of the Assad and Makhlouf families, but they refuse to make public statements for fear of retaliation from the gang, which still wields considerable influence despite no longer being in power.
In the same vein, agents smuggled gold bars and ingots, stamped with the Syrian Central Bank's seal, into these bags. Some of these were then received at the Syrian embassy in Moscow under the guise of purchasing weapons and equipment for the Syrian Arab Army, without the knowledge or awareness of official Russian authorities.
In the first government-to-government contact between Moscow and Damascus after the fall of the Assad regime, and during a visit by a delegation headed by Deputy Foreign Minister and former Russian Presidential Envoy to the Middle East and Africa, Mikhail Bogdanov, on January 28 of this year, Sharaa demanded the extradition of Assad and his entourage implicated in crimes against Syrians for trial, as well as the return of looted assets.
The Russian diplomat responded that a fair trial was impossible under the exceptional circumstances facing Syria, which had only been in power for a few months, during which the contours of the new state were still unclear.
Claiming the funds requires documentation proving their return to the Syrian government treasury.
It is well known that the Assad-Makhlouf family did not deposit oil revenues into the state treasury, in addition to the illegal channels used by the regime of corruption and tyranny to plunder the Syrian people's wealth.
It's worth noting that Damascus investigative judge Tawfiq al-Ali issued an arrest warrant in absentia against Assad at the end of last September, paving the way for international prosecution of the case through Interpol. This means that Sharaa will be bringing criminal files, clearly prepared by the Syrian judiciary on the eve of the visit, to the negotiating table in the Kremlin with his Russian counterpart.
Sharaa's statements to the American CBS channel emphasize that his country will use available legal means to demand accountability for former regime leader Bashar al-Assad, without entering into a costly conflict with Russia. In previous statements, Sharaa has made no secret of his appreciation for Russia's neutral stance as armed factions advanced toward the Syrian capital and cities fell one after the other to a limited number of fighters, without any resistance or effective intervention from Russian air power or forces stationed at the Hmeimim airbase and other Russian military bases spread throughout areas previously under the Assad regime's control.
Sharaa acknowledges that had it not been for Russia's conciliatory stance, the cost of entering Damascus would have been exorbitant and bloody. Perhaps the future will reveal many more details about the ten days that shook Syria and toppled a corrupt and tyrannical regime.
The issue of handing over Assad and his entourage and recovering Syria's looted assets is unlikely to become the Achilles' heel in relations between Damascus, which feels the need for a Russian equivalent in its relationship with Washington, and Moscow, which will not relinquish its military and political presence in a country described as one of the most important keys to the region, if not the most important. It is unlikely that Russia will relinquish a promising partner for "Saleh, a murderous dictator who fled at night without even informing the leaders of his defeated army, and spends all his days in the tall glass tower "Moscow City" hanging from the high floors, addicted to playing computer games, while his brother Maher drinks alcohol and directs his henchmen to spread rumors and false news, sometimes about an Arab TV channel interviewing Bashar in which he talks about his imminent return to Syria," according to allegations by a German magazine.
The false news came on the eve of Syrian Foreign Minister Asaad al-Sheibani and Defense Minister Muharraf Abu Qasra's visit to Moscow in early August.
>>2523015In this article Russia state media calls assad insanely corrupt and says how he stole a lot of money for years from syrian people. This is RT not a western paper of Saudi or anything
>>2522550
Prussia banning Polish in school is good actually.
>>2523014Here are some snippets that stands out. Remember this is literally RT talking about assad lol
>Bashar and his uncle, Mohammed Makhlouf, conspired to plunder and smuggle Syrian funds to three destinations: Russia, Belarus, and Romania. A large number of brokers were involved in the transfer and disbursement of these fund
> agents smuggled gold bars and ingots, stamped with the Syrian Central Bank's seal, into these bags. Some of these were then received at the Syrian embassy in Moscow under the guise of purchasing weapons and equipment for the Syrian Arab Army, without the knowledge or awareness of official Russian authorities.
>Sharaa acknowledges that had it not been for Russia's conciliatory stance, the cost of entering Damascus would have been exorbitant and bloody. Perhaps the future will reveal many more details about the ten days that shook Syria and toppled a corrupt and tyrannical regime.
>It is well known that the Assad-Makhlouf family did not deposit oil revenues into the state treasury, in addition to the illegal channels used by the regime of corruption and tyranny to plunder the Syrian people's wealth.
>The issue of handing over Assad and his entourage and recovering Syria's looted assets is unlikely to become the Achilles' heel in relations between Damascus, which feels the need for a Russian equivalent in its relationship with Washington, and Moscow, which will not relinquish its military and political presence in a country described as one of the most important keys to the region, if not the most important. It is unlikely that Russia will relinquish a promising partner for "Saleh, a murderous dictator who fled at night without even informing the leaders of his defeated army, and spends all his days in the tall glass tower "Moscow City" hanging from the high floors, addicted to playing computer games, while his brother Maher drinks alcohol and directs his henchmen to spread rumors and false news, sometimes about an Arab TV channel interviewing Bashar in which he talks about his imminent return to Syria," according to allegations by a German magazine.
>The false news came on the eve of Syrian Foreign Minister Asaad al-Sheibani and Defense Minister Muharraf Abu Qasra's visit to Moscow in early August. >>2522534scratch a nafoid and a migger bleeds
>>2523072lol I remember how much the NAFOids were mocking those dragon teeth obstacles before the great offensyiv.
>>2523048Bashar is going to have to clean a lot of teeth for free.
>>2522073>why the fuck is putin such a cuck to the orange migger? Who really knows without being a fly on the wall, but maybe it's as bad as it looks: he's convinced he can win over a narcissist like Trump through cringey flattery and appeasement but doesn't realize that Trump sees such bootlickers as weak and disposable.
>>2523168More simply he probably sees America is in an inflection point where it can go more directions than usual. As he's said, establishment candidates are stable and predictable
>>2523210He's also said that the "men in black suits" control the show and that it doesn't matter who's president, yet the efforts he makes to flatter Trump suggest that he believes Trump is calling some shots. It's a terrible strategy anyway, and I'm glad the Duran bros realize it.
>>2523248
>>2523251
I especially like how pokrovsk has fallen about 10 times the last 3 years
>>2523251
Russia will clinch Kupyansk very easily in the near future. The only way Ukraine ever gets it back is if some moron in the Russian chain of command orders another Kharkov retreat a la 2022.
>>2523248
Finland has Swedish as an official language despite Swedes being 5% of population. And there are no problems
Ireland has English as an official language despite there being no English in the country, with native Irish language being pushed out of use by the English language, and there are no problems
Yet, when it comes to Russian language, suddenly, Ukraine feels oppressed
>>2523241>He's also said that the "men in black suits" control the show and that it doesn't matter who's presidentSo far he's been right, but ultimately nobody can make sense of Trump. Putin's behavior doesn't differ much from the rest of the world in approach to Trump. They're all negotiating
>>2523248The Baltics are not ethnostates and should not be discriminating against ethnic languages, especially so long as Europe pretends to be multicultural. This regression is what justifies Russia to intervene in post communist nationality issues in the first place.
>>2523248
It is an example of the difference between the shitlib concept of diversity and the Marxist concept of proletarian unity. On the one hand, within the imperial states, Diversity is recognised as being enriching to society even as a multicultural representation rather than an intercultural one, despite strong divisions drawn between religion, race, "experienced" nationality, culture with pride promoted as cause to broadly isolate each from each other (yes, including the whites, despite their whining they're excluded from this). However on the other hand, in former Soviet states where there is a distinct and significant Russian population that for the same reasons of pride for their nationality, remain divided from the nationality of the majority and this is not considered good, but a threat.
Likewise, the Gunthers of the West look at all the various cultures that Russia integrates into its vast borders and seem to have successfully (quite possibly because of the aforementioned proletarian unity during the USSR) created an intercultural society where traditions, languages and creeds of each federal state are upheld, without that dividing the Russian nationality shared in general into racial/cultural/religious antagonisms (most of the time), and salivate at how easy it supposedly is to break that down into being shitlib "Diversity" by which Russia splits into various micro-ethnostates all doing some native variant of the Haka dance at each other forevermore over the injustice of once having all been Russians by nationality.
Despite a lot of the Western Left being drawn into the concept of Diversity over proletarian unity, it seems like outside of the West, the Western Bourgeoisie see "Diversity" as a weapon or certainly at least a weakness and will brutally oppress people for being of the wrong nationality in their protectorates, while arming and agitating people as the "correct" nationality in their opposition.
>>2523257He will be there eventually
>>2523261it's almost like the ruling class in those countries want or need confrontation with russia
>>2523265The root of the problem is the West is built on dismantling empires, with the logic broken once applied to socialist unions, and leaving behind its own nation-state to enable global hegemony. The bargains behind each have shattered and liberalism appears to be dying as a result
>>2522073because putin runs a system by consensus and that means including the faction of oligarchs who are pro-western. because these guys want to make money again and they want to park their assets in the west, they want visa and mastercard to come back, and probably idelogocially they really love the west. that means Cucktin has to try please everyone, balance between these guys and the military men who want to flatten lvov and kiev. p
Daily reminder that if Lukashenko had succeeded in his original plan of taking over Russia and running both Belarus + Russia, none of this stupid shit would have ever happened, the USSR would have been restored, and Syria, Iraq, and Libya would all have survived.
>>2523292>Only 20-50 missiles>OnlyBy that downplaying "logic" let's give Ukraine "only" 2-3 H-bombs
>>2523293Good idea. Ukraine should never have given up their nukes. Given that Russia, the US, and other parties violated Budapest they can make good by giving Ukraine some nukes back.
>>2523304>their nukesyou mean USSR/RF's nukes
>>2523293It's amazing how much salami they've sliced from the days of being reluctant to supply helmets and vests.
>>2523304The nukes were under Russian control, much like the nukes currently in Belarus. Ukraine wasn't a nuclear state any more than Belarus is a nuclear state.
>>2523293Honestly I’d be surprised if it was even that many, they’re $4,000,000 a piece at export and despite
>mere tootsie rolls compared to the defence budget!the claim that Ukraine was going to defeat Russia on a “shoestring” using outdated soon-to-be-decommissioned-anyway weapons didn’t come from nowhere, there was the desire at some point to both NOT overspend on this conflict and have people KNOW that NATO doesn’t intend to overspend on it. I don’t think the claim that ackshually even the latest and greatest technology handed over to Ukraine and the relevant branches of the US military assigned to their use on Kiev’s behalf is still defeating Russia “on the cheap”, because the US spends a trillion dollars on war shit anyway, really assuages whatever concern there was previously that spending billions on Ukraine is bad both literally and rhetorically.
>>2523287Say what you will about Khrushchev but when the US parked nukes in the UK and Turkey he responded by parking some in Cuba instead of crying about it.
>>2523326The US was willing to negotiate with the USSR despite immediately threatening them with WW3 openly, the US in 2025 is systematically incapable of negotiating with Russia and probably would just start WW3 without even saying anything.
>>2523311Salami slicing never happened, they've supplied Ukraine preventatively with all kinds of shit and then retroactively approved the giving over of weapons
>>2523311>The nukes were under Russian control, much like the nukes currently in Belarus. Ukraine wasn't a nuclear state any more than Belarus is a nuclear state.How is that even possible? What sort of hardened locking mechanism is there for nuclear devices that cannot be overcome by a specialist team of engineers (or cryptographers if it's an electronic lock)? Didn't North Korea literally get its nuclear weapons program started by Pakistani scientists smuggling uranium to them in a suitcase? As long as the nukes are stored in either Ukraine or Belarus the lock will be bypassed eventually. The only case where such a claim makes sense is if the nukes are being stored outside the country in which case then yeah that makes sense because the physical location of the devices are thousands of km away.
>>2523337They wouldn’t become Ukrainian nukes, they’d become stolen Russian nukes
>See you’ve locked your car, but you’re now on the other side of town while I’m here in the car park with it. Given enough time I could break into it and hotwire it, then really how could anyone say it’s not mine? >>2523339Thanks for agreeing with me that Ukraine can achieve control over Russian nukes and the cope about locks is just cope?
>>2523341I think you’re forgetting that the US didn’t want the breakup of the USSR to result in two new nuclear states any more than Russia did.
>>2523348>Trusting America to do the right thing in the year of our lord 2025ngmi
>>2523357>2025This was all decided in the early 90s.
>>2523360>Trusting America to do the right thing in the year of our lord 1990ngmi
>>2523361It was self-serving, again, the US wants final say on who does and doesn’t have nuclear weapons in the post-Cold War world. Did you miss that?
>>2523365>Wanting the US to have final say on who does and doesn’t have nuclear weapons ngmi
>>2523368That’s not what I said
HOLY
SNOOZEFEST
Amerikkka is literally going to launch 50 Tomahawks at Moscow within the next few months and this thread has completely fucking died because everyone knows it's going to happen and everyone also knows Cucktin won't do shit to stop it (le "we will create more air defense" what a cucked answer). Wake me up in 2030; hopefully by then something will have happened.
>>2523371>I’m bored<Nuclear war would excite me thoughTalk about an itch you can’t scratch, oof
>>2523374I just want Russian soldiers to stop dying Champy. One Russian soldier is worth the lives of a million Ukrainian citizens. I don't care about being labeled a campist I am a proud campist. I don't view Banderites as having equivalent worth as compared to the average Russian. Nuclear bombs on all major Ukrainian cities and no one will ever dare to fly an FPV drone ever again.
>>2523375>HOLY SNOOZEFEST! BORING! YOU'RE BORING ME CUCKTIN! THE THREAD IS DEAD!<then>Actually I'm really distressed by the death of soldiers when millions of civilians could be taking their place, amirite fellow zigger campist vatniks?Like a ping-pong ball, every time.
>>2523326>Say what you will about Khrushchev but when the US parked nukes in the UK and Turkey he responded by parking some in Cuba instead of crying about it.Russia threatened to give US adversaries advanced weapons in retaliation for the US supplying Ukraine, but nothing became of it.
>>2523329>the US in 2025 is systematically incapable of negotiating with Russia and probably would just start WW3 without even saying anything.Agreed that the US is incapable of negotiating in good faith, but I don't buy that the US is itching for mutual annihilation. There's a reason the US is using Ukraine as a proxy in the first place instead of attacking Russia directly.
>>2523380You say it's a ping pong ball like those two notions (a thread dying and wanting Russia to take action in Ukraine) are contradictory. They are not contradictory.
>>2523382Did Libya have to attack NATO to be attacked by NATO? I think if anything this war has emboldened NATO even more and Russia has to have a decisive victory in Ukraine or NATO will strike them hard in the future.
>>2523371>SNOOZEFESTTelegram is unironically fun now, Spurdo. You still get some dead-enders, but there's been a sea change in attitude toward Putin's passive appeasement approach. Mercouris is probably trying to corner the new market.
>>2523384>this war has emboldened NATO even moreBut I see NAFOids screeching that Russia will conquer them any day now
>>2523387For MIC funding, duh.
>>2523386I only bother to read Belarusian & Communist Telegrams like what Tank occasionally posts. The gore posting from Ukraine was too much I don't like watching people die. I would rather watch 20 minutes of Lukashenko yelling at and firing an incompetent director or doing personnel reshuffles. It calms me and reminds me that there are societies in which social justice still exists.
>>2523388But they ARE producing less shells collectively than Russia. Obviously, they are afraid, and not are just MIC-begging
>>2523381I think they would fight via Ukraine for as long as Russia obliges the fallacy that fighting via a proxy is covert and clandestine even when you’re shouting about how clever you are for using said proxy, putting nukes in Venezuela or something like that would represent Russia not obliging the US anymore. Any act that threatens the US homeland would have the bizarre reaction that their cover was somehow blown in Ukraine and the ensuing “oh shit” moment would make for a very risky few hours while they go to DEFCON 1 and start getting into fistfights in the Pentagon over what god they should be praying to.
>>2523392They will pull out of Ukraine unless they get dictators in charge, because socdems will be forced to stop by popular unrest. Even now they cannot continue supplying Ukraine without seizing Russian assets i.e. they are appropriating their prize money for funding current war - which one supposed to provide that prize money. They are in debt even before finishing the war, and will be still in debt after. It's not a good war for governments
>>2523392Right, the moment Russia stops indulging this pathetic proxy charade is the moment America wakes up and asks itself whether the risk to the homeland is worth it. I say that supplies to Ukraine will dry up pretty damn fast.
We also know that the US sees Israel as a second homeland, so there's untapped leverage via Iran as well.
>>2523397Also, note Stockholme tripling it's cost of utilities and Budapest decreasing. Literally a Russophobia tax
>>2523393>>2523395They aren't going to undo their monopoly on power in Europe (the old world) won after decades of Cold War and centuries after they declared independence from the old world in an afternoon under pressure from either Russia nor their own population now suddenly repenting all the haha funny shiba memes they've been posting the last few years.
They won't negotiate with Russia and they won't want to deal with riots in every major city in North America and Europe, when there's a chance that a decap strike might avoid both, that will probably go wrong and we'd likely then all die.
>>2523382
Russia withdrawing only means more war.
>JD Vance half a year ago: um the EU is like oppressing free speech because the AfD is the true party of the Volk or some shit and also you need more AI companies but you also shouldn't because you should be using American AI models
<HOLY SHIT THE ANTI-IMPERIALIST BURGER REGIME IS HERE THE WAR IS OVER WOW IF YOU DONT SUPPORT THIS YOURE A NAFOFAG ITS SO OVER FOR UKRAINE BASED MAGA IS DABBING ON THEIR GRAVES
>JD Vance now: well you see when we sell the weapons to the EU and NATO, they'll hand them over to the Ukrainians so technically we're not directly selling to the Ukrainians and thus putting AMERICA FIRST
How the FUCK do you even rationalize this??
>Since the beginning of the special operation, 667 aircraft, 283 helicopters, 90,559 unmanned aerial vehicles, 633 anti-aircraft missile systems, 25,533 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,602 multiple rocket launchers, 30,505 field artillery guns and mortars, 44,089 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
Russia is demilitarizing NATO by this point. Ukraine's totals before the war were 1/3-1/2 of this
>>2523449btw, have you noticed the absolute lack of damage being done by S300? And the campaign of Russia disabling Ukraine's energy sector? Seems like FINALLY Soviet stockpiles of AA weaponry have run out, and Ukraine's left only with shit patriots and unfeasible aircraft as AA
>>2523449I suspect this is actually quite alarming for NATO, it’s not just brushed off as immaterial because they control the Dollar and the Euro as many nafoists claim. That it’s happening is probably a real commitment to the idea that wars for NATO are destined to become wholly impersonal affairs that play out like
>Oh dear soft power has failed to install our man into <African nation>>Better call “Blitz” by Raytheon<It’s like the Uber for PMCs >Order comes in<60,000 Shahed Benjamin Franklin class an-hero drones, delivered directly to the seat of government, to be received within 24 hours or your money back>Order two state destructions and get the peacekeeping robots free for the first two monthsEtc etc
>>2523457Actually American suicide drones should probably be named as R. Budd Dwyer class drones now I think of it
>>2523397A whole 100 per month! when salary is 4k with halving emissions, bogging down the ziggers and watching retards nonstop circlejerking about west's collapse on the internet?
Seems like a good trade.
>>2523474>South Africa I’m having Deja Vu over an anon ITT going off on one about this thread supporting some corrupt South African party leader, who had never been mentioned prior and never mentioned since, because multipolarity just supports “anyone” who is hostile to the West
>>2523449What is this zigger maths
>667 aircraft, 283 helicoptersLmao you think Ukraine had 1k aircraft to lose?
They've probably never even had 500 if you take current numbers + pre-2022 + intermediate losses.
>>2523457Yeah yeah go eat a tomahawk zigger
>>2523506I’d love a Tomahawk steak, thank you
>>2523510Nah I think one of the resident Anti-Zigger/Anti-Anti-Imperialist anons is South African and just threw a schizo fit about a literal who politician he doesn’t like but strawmanned the thread into being his supporters, I assume because the commonalities start and end at considering the West to be the primary blocker to nationalist liberation movements globally.
Kind of ironic as presumably the only anon ITT that is from a BRICS state
>>2523527That Sandinista anon is from Brazil, and I believe there are a couple of Russians. Isn't Kampuchea Russian? And that nuke-flag anon?
>>2523248still salivating at immigrants forced to learn a new language?
nafo nazi trolls like you will use the same arguments that the maga crowd uses to attack immigrants from Latin America, but just because it's Russia, it's based and
big chungus OUR struggle or some radlibery retardation like that.
remember to kiss trump's anus for his tomahawks, that effectively won't change the outcome on the field for ukraine, which is losing.
>>2523048RT is identical as Al Jazeera. don't take too seriously their branches outside Russia, because they market their OpEds and articles similarly like AJ does.
AJ in Qatar will tell you to behead Persians, and every "non-pure" Arab, and Shias.
Now go to AJ in the west, and except when they tried to portray Assad as
le bad (similarly with TRT), they go against the current of the west.
Same applies with RT. RT Arabic is a marketing for Arab audiences and they probably need to play on concessions to stay on air in those countries, i.e. writing fantasy stories and quoting german media.
>>2523558Didn’t know Sandinista was from Brazil, forgot Kampuchea, I suppose both are pretty infrequent anons on the thread compared to the nafoids who are committed enough to be recognised even without flags
>>2523397holly shit, lmao. look at all that blue line going up.
>Putin and Trump are having a phone call
kek, don't know why world leaders bother. He just goes on Truth Social and makes up what the conversation entailed, like with Modi.
inb4 he says that Putin was begging not to send the Tomahawks, which tbf isn't easy to rule out on Putin's part.
>>2523561>Didn’t know Sandinista was from Brazilthe original was.
>forgot Kampucheaoriginally ushanka, Russian.
>>2523566It's the same Sandinista. He mellowed out on insulting the Russian leadership.
>>2523288>>2523287if he puts Kalibr missiles in Venezuela would be great.
>>2523397>>2523398Then explain Denmark? Could there be a China factor to this? Does Denmark cut good deals with China while the rest of the Nordics don't?
>>2523575What does “optimise” mean? Or are you taking machine translation and being like
>optimise, that sounds ominous!which has to be scraping through the bottom of the barrel and digging for oil again
>How the FUCK do you even rationalize this??
I rather wonder why is that anon not writing a tolkien's rip-off. with all that imagination with fairy tales….
>>2523585Maybe good relations and contracts with Norway.
Putin begging Trump not to allow Ukraine to bomb his palaces, just kill all the proles instead
>>2523594Surely that isn't something that changed drastically for Denmark x Norway between 2020 2025? They've been close allies since the 40s.
>>2523623Thing is, 10% fluctuation can be explained by random market noise, while 3x growth is surely a result of a systemic problem
>>2523663>Cucktin engages dick sucking mode so he can take 1 more village before the ceasefireWe're so back!
>>2523702>Now Putin, I have a lot of respect for you but I also have a lot of respect for me, maybe a little bit more.. or a lot.. but we’ve got to end this war, end the destruction and the violence… and I think you’re going the wrong way about it, know it actually, so I’ve been speaking to Zelensky and he seems eager to end the war also, on his terms, but that’s negotiable and I’m one who can negotiate a…And that’s probably the point I would just hang myself.
>>2523702So, EU will tolerate Putin entering Hungary and leaving without harm? What little cuckolds lol
>>2523687>pls chyna save usCry zigger
>>2522534Wtf mods actually banned the bad-faith westoid fascist. Based!
>>2523585because you are looking at trending, trending doesn't mean everyone is on board. if I have to guess, it's because Denmark doesn't have a power hungry industry, and can save some pennies with wind energy, which is their largest renewable energy.
>>2523615and then gusanos mad.
>>2523683>taking face of value to what trump saysboy, you use "cookteen" too much, you are the one swallowing trump's cock.
>>2523663>involvement with childrenfrom 1 million cases that the EU accused of, the only real cases amounted to 10, with the avail of the US.
huh. oh, well.
>>2523565close:
>>2523663.
at this point trump will say they achieved peace, whatever that means.
>>2523585I got the explanation:
It's a mixture of tax cuts (reduces the price) plus a serious reduction in power consumption by households (the driven force in Denmark's electricity bills). there you go.
>Energy ConsumptionDenmark's consumption per capita is slightly lower than the EU average at 2.6 toe/cap and 5 700 kWh/cap of electricity in 2023.>Total energy consumption decreased by 3% in 2023 to 15.6 >Mtoe, after a 4% decrease in 2022 and a 5% progression in 2021; >it increased by 1.5%/year from 2016 to 2018 and declined in 2019 and 2020.https://www.enerdata.net/estore/country-profiles/denmark.htmlhttps://cphpost.dk/2025-08-21/news/round-up/government-will-remove-electricity-tax-from-2026/
>let's consoom less to own the ziggers>let's defund the state to own the ziggerspretty much that's it.
>>2523663it's funny but i also hate how actual statesmen have to entertain the burger delusion of the GORILLION YEAR CONFLICT IN THE MIDDLE EAST, it's like Arabs telling Europeans that WWII happened because the Western Roman Empire collapsed
>>2523390>I would rather watch 20 minutes of Lukashenko yelling at and firing an incompetent director or doing personnel reshuffles. It calms me and reminds me that there are societies in which social justice still exists.Unfathomably based
Even the largest pro-russians telegrams are clowning on Trump now and getting kinda impatient with cucktin, will lead to nothing but yeah. Also arent tomahawks literally just worse lolshadows and kekaurus?
>>2523801Well I assume that’s because they’re just the flip side of caring about Putin, but again, it’s far more an anti-NATO thread than it is pro-Russian
>>2523801Yeah they are, I wouldn't worry about them comrade.
https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/learning-from-the-defeat
>My suggestion in this essay is that the technologies that the West, in particular, has historically relied upon for combat, are becoming more expensive and complex by orders of magnitude, and that they may indeed be approaching the point where further development isn’t cost-effective. On the other hand, much newer technologies (notably, but not only drones) may turn out to be less revolutionary than some of their fans believe. I argue this not from the perspective of a weapons technology geek (or fetishist, for that matter) but as someone who has from time to time been involved with the practical and political side of force structures and military equipment projects. I’m going to set out what I think the situation is, and then look at the resulting political and strategic consequences after what seems an inevitable western defeat in Ukraine. In some senses, this is a continuation, at a lower level of detail, of my essay of a couple of weeks ago, but here I’m mainly talking about doctrine and equipment. https://www.intellinews.com/syria-s-al-sharaa-seeks-to-rebuild-ties-with-russia-in-first-kremlin-talks-406471/?source=russia
>Syrian President Ahmad al-Sharaa met with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the first time since assuming power in Syria on October 15.
>The meeting marks a significant moment in the political trajectory of the war-torn nation. The high-level talks, which lasted for more than two and a half hours, were held at the Kremlin on October 15. As Syria looks toward reconstruction, Moscow and Washington's support will likely be pivotal in shaping the country's future both militarily and economically.
>According to Syrian state's agency SANA, President al-Sharaa’s delegation sought strong guarantees from Moscow that remnants of the former regime's military forces would not be rearmed as part of efforts to rebuild Syria’s military apparatus.
>Just before the visit, Reuters reported, citing an informed Syrian official, that al-Sharaa is expected to formally request the extradition of former Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, currently in exile in Moscow, to stand trial on charges related to crimes committed against the Syrian people.
>The Syrian delegation requested Russian assistance in creating a new Syrian army to stabilise the country and reinforce national security. This marked a critical point in Syria’s post-conflict rebuilding efforts.
>The Turkish-backed leader proposed the redeployment of Russian police units in parts of Syria, particularly in regions affected by Israeli military violations, in a bid to curb further breaches of Syrian sovereignty. The idea of increased Russian military presence in the area is likely to be a key factor in the future security landscape of Syria.
>The Kremlin confirmed that a significant point of discussion was the future of Russia’s military presence in Syria. This included talks on the status of Russia’s key military facilities in the region, including the Hmeimim airbase in Latakia, the Tartus naval base on Syria’s Mediterranean coast, and the Russian presence at Qamishli airport in the northeast.
>These military sites are integral to Moscow's strategic interests in the Middle East and its long-term presence in Syria.
>On the economic front, al-Sharaa sought direct Russian support in Syria’s recovery, particularly through the resumption of wheat shipments under favourable terms. He also requested compensation for wartime damages, which continue to place a significant strain on Syria’s economy. The ongoing economic challenges, exacerbated by years of civil war, have left Syria in urgent need of international aid and support for rebuilding efforts.
>"The bridges of cooperation between Russia and Syria are serious, including economic cooperation," Al-Sharaa said, urging deep partnership between the two nations.
>He also reiterated Syria's commitment to respecting all previous agreements, while seeking to redefine these relations in a way that ensures the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity.
>"Syria respects all past agreements, and from this historic moment, we aim to renew and define the nature of our relations, ensuring Syrian independence, territorial integrity, and security," al-Sharaa added, stressing the importance of regional and global stability in achieving peace.
>During the talks, Putin reaffirmed Russia's "historic diplomatic ties" with Syria, confirming that Russia’s actions have always been motivated by the best interests of the Syrian people.
>“Russia has never had relations with Syria based on our own political circumstances or interests. For decades, our goal has always been the welfare of the Syrian people,” Putin said.
>Putin further reinforced the special relationship between Russia and Syria, noting that the ties between the two countries have always been "very friendly" and have been built on mutual respect over many years. He also praised Syria's recent parliamentary elections as a “great success,” adding that they would strengthen political ties across the country.
>Al-Sharaa also stressed the "historic bonds" that link Syria and Russia, underlining Syria’s desire to deepen bilateral relations further. This marks a renewed commitment from Damascus to fortify ties with Moscow, with a view to gaining further Russian support in rebuilding the country’s war-torn economy and military infrastructure.
>The push to rekindle links with Moscow comes as the US earlier removed all sanctions on the country following an executive order from President Donald Trump in July.
>"On June 30, the President issued an Executive Order "Providing for the Revocation of Syria Sanctions" that removes US sanctions on Syria, effective July 1, 2025, according to the mailer by OFAC seen by IntelliNews.
>The order maintains accountability for Assad's deposed regime and expands the national emergency declared under Executive Order 13894, allowing sanctions to continue against Assad, his associates and other destabilising regional actors who are now in Moscow, Russia. >>2523993Whatever makes you feel better buddy.
>>2523753What kind of retard are you? Have you even finished school or your education is basically YouTube and imageboards?
>>2524016>gusanos mad is retardednow, now. don't go and tell me batista, guaido and maria gusano machado are based.
>>2524096>Dr. McMeekin: […] I am aware that many people have argued that there is method in this madness, that the U.S. has some mysterious grand strategy that requires periodically wrecking countries, but I’ll confess I don’t see it myself.That seems like a pretty incredible statement after all his talk about great powers rationally pursuing their cogent interests, but I guess it would be too much to ask for him not to be spooked by American exceptionalism.
Why is this war even still happening in the current year? Why didn't Russia just completely obliterate them to begin with like how America did to Iraq?
>>2524115Constant IR and drone overwatch make the movement of large groups of men and machines largely untenable, necessitating piecemeal infiltration of small groups through large, sparsely populated fronts.
The result is an attritional war reliant on drone, missile, and artillery strikes to wittle down forces enough to enable the consolidation of incremental gains.
But the primary reason that this war is still going at this point is that Nato won't, and most importantly can't, allow Ukraine to sue for peace.
>>2524096Is there really no better source for military history and current commentary than conservatards and reactoids?
>>2524172I follow eventsinukraine. That is leftist.
>>2524121Moronic propaganda. As
>>2524167 said the issue is recon drones alone have completely changed warfare.
The first thing America did in 2003 was destroy the Iraqi communications networks and command centres. Russia can’t do that because the military communications is via satellite and the command centres are in NATO countries. With large vehicle based assaults rendered unviable via recon and attack drones the result is attritional warfare.
>>2524098Great powers rationality is within the bounds of their ideological outlook AND capability. The liberal centrists have been thrown off centre by China going from being an imminent threat to surpassing America in about a decade. The resulting far right shift personified by Trump is not lead by very capable thinkers and seems to be clutching at straws because the rational position is that they’ve already lost. They are now hoping that rapid shifts to trade can be made with “unthinkable” tariffs and outright threats to “allies”. It’s like the Germans launching Operation Citadel because the alternative was to admit defeat was already in progress.
>>2524003drumpf? can they cuck eachother how does this work logistically?
>>2524172theres plenty but they tend to cite the conservatards and reactoids. its not like their politics changes the facts
>>2524115you should know this already if you been paying any attention, but…
The goal of Russia's SMO in 2022 was not a forcible regime change/takeover/occupation of Ukraine. It was to takeover most of eastern Ukraine without a fight and surround and pressure Kiev into accepting a negotiated settlement on Russia's terms.
The takeover of eastern Ukraine only partly worked apparently because of bad intel about the political situation in those regions. Places that were assumed to fall without a fight resisted instead. Then the pressure on Kiev seemed like it might work but then BoJo came and NATO decided to go scorched earth and escalate instead.
From there Russia didn't have the troops or the preparation to fight that kind of war and didn't plan to, so it turned to a period of re-grouping and long-game of attrition.
Iraq is another thing altogether. A military regime-change and occupation was the plan, and Iraq was an isolated country with no allies and a military and society weakened by decades of war and sanctions. Even at its best Iraq wasn't equivalent to a NATO-backed Ukraine.
>>2524394>Then the pressure on Kiev seemed like it might work but then BoJo came and NATO decidedThe Zelensky regime doesn't negotiate in good faith. It was another exercise in buying time. That's why I've never liked the almost universal take that it's all BoJo's fault. All BoJo did was encourage the Zelensky regime to show its true colors earlier.
>>2524100Sure baddy, consuming less resources for literally better development is killing economy. The way communists must think is like IMF sweatshops, more resources consuming, especially imported and more workhours is an excellent economy. And if you base your growth on thousands of soldiers dieing, now that is an economy that should be model for everyone.
Literally you are competing with champagne on who is more retarded Russia pro shitposter
>>2524406you're probably right that it was never good faith but at the end of the day it's US/NATO that decides. If they said no it doesn't matter what the Zelensky regime thinks
>>2524409what the danish government is doing is basic malthusianism, and malthusianism is anti-communist, with rhetoric of austerity which is also anti-communist. silly moron who thinks that what is described is "efficiency".
>is like IMF sweatshops>stuff never said>implying increasing taxes and increasing power consumption produces sweatshops>????the fuck does austerity have to do with sweatshops? you know what, it does, the austerity they are implementing it's what foments sweatshops, but on the global south and inside Denmark. they'll create these sweatshops abroad and inside because they won't have either the energy nor the social safety nets created by the state respectively to sustain fairer conditions.
so spare your stupidity in economic issues, because you are a lib who hasn't grabbed one single of Marx's books.
>>2524190The biggest arrows in this war were made by huge armored mechanized formations, both from Russian and Ukrainian side
>>2524418>GDP and resource waste must go up otherwise you are malthusian, never mind development and living standards continue growingI am happy you have found your non malthusian utopia in Russia
>Hundreds of pages of sensitive Polish military documents, including secret papers pertaining to weapons, evacuations, and warehouse blueprints, were found dumped at a landfill, according to an investigation published by the news outlet Onet on Thursday.
Polan can not into statecraft
>>2524426>progress is when eating lessGlad to see that Westoids have come to rely on Soviet cope methods to feel superior over their adversaries. I'm sure that Perestroika won't happen to Westoids anytime soon :^)
>>2524426>GDPyes, you utter twerp, you talk like a fucking rethuglican that thinks every penny of the state must be cut.
>resource wastelmao, don't throw words you don't know what they mean. or are you now suggesting that all denmark's economy is resource waste? you don't even have metrics to back up your claim. pseud.
>otherwise you are malthusianit fucking is. the danish government is using austerity, imposing malthusianism, but the worst kind: one which sustains war, because at least malthus exposed the idea that the population and food increase at different ratios, and for that reason the population must be deprived of means of procreation, thus the population must do the sacrifice. in this case their austherity is
le ruZZia bad and that's the sacrifice they must do. fucking grab Das Kapital for once, you dunce.
>I am happy you have found your non malthusian utopia in Russia
>????>things never said, the post. >>2524426Europe isn't exactly growing and getting more efficient. It's sliding deeper into political and economic malaise. It will be squeezed by confrontation with Russia and China plus America's unreliable schizo politics
>>2524441Europe is getting more efficient. It isnt growing indeed. I am talking about Denmark. And its obvious that the less oil consumption is due to other reasons, like EVs and efficiency gains than any hit whatsoever the oil price, which btw is low, had.
But its not like russian cope about growth due to war means anything. Its another neoliberal shithole with just some state funding to send people to their death. Some got some extra bucks and got uppity…
>>2524434>posting green stock marketHolly cope, literally like what burgers will show a few years ago when you told them the economy is shit. as if the stock market has anything to do with the economy
Trump now saying the US needs the Tomahawks for themselves and they shouldn't leave themselves depleted to support Ukraine.
NAFO have once again started tearing up their already heavily sellotaped portraits of Trump and declaring it to be "so over", but they as usual intend to keep the pieces and the sellotape in hopes they will soon be "so back" and win control over Trump's mind from the vatnik threat once and for all.
>>2524467i don't know why people listen to him anymore. he's all over the place one day to the next
>>2524450Sometimes
People make a war
God knows what it's for (BUSINESS)
>>2524481I don’t think anyone does really, it’s just funny to use him like a hot potato and near-daily be able to chuck him to the opposition
>lmao you thought Trump was on your side and was going to hand over whatever Ukraine demanded to givas because they signed the minerals deal<kek please, you thought Trump was on YOUR side when he shook Putin’s hand in Alaska and assumed that means they’d spent the day making out and dreaming of a US-Russia coalition But tbh it’s likely just slightly scared projection from both sides that Trump will probably do something stupid that will endanger everyone and NAFOids were worried that Trump was going to ditch NATO in favour of some alliance with Putin or Russian Xitter worries that he will just sail the entire US Navy into the Black Sea to fire Tomahawks and double dare Putin to sink the entire fleet with a single nuke
>>2524409>base your growth on thousands of soldiers dieing>>2524454>growth due to wargigacoping
>>2524515Oh right, I forgot, Russia is a industrial power that exports high end products worldwide.
This place really turned to shit. Nobody said that Europe is not a dieing shithole, but you morons talk as if it is a utopia living in Russia (and by Russia you mean two cities basically)…As if the soviet union returned, but upgraded.
>>2524523>You criticise X implying Y is goodSir, I do believe that’s a fallacy!
>>2524523yes those are the only two ways growth can occur
how is it going?
breakthrough imminent?
>>2524538
>North Korea colonising Siberia
That would be based absent other considerations, if taken as is, and if you disagree you don't belong here
>Kyiv
>>2524454Or perhaps rising energy prices systematically put downward pressure on electricity use, and we shouldn't pin hopes on Europe simply becoming more efficient so as to cause the effect
Europe has an energy problem that guides its imperialism in the periphery. It failed to secure these interests and it will be impacted
>>2524547
While Europeans are not freezing, China continues to grow and gets more and more of the world on it's side. Ukraine war became a third Vietnam for the West
Someone bake the new thread so I'm not tempted to make another cuckoldry-themed thread.
Thank you.
>>2524549And what I mean by this, merely 4 years ago Europe and USA were still delulu about their EVs, as if those could compete with China. Today, there's no delusion anymore, instead there's a full blown "tariff everything Chinese" policy in effect, because they can't compete
>>2524467Trump walking back on the Tomahawks right before his Zelensky meeting today is pretty hilarious. Is it possible Zelensky and Kellogg lied to him about something and they've been caught in the lie?
>>2524547
germany who was the economic engine of europe is literally in recession retard
>>2524547
Cool non sequitur
>>2524586Holy fuck, so-called pro-European, pro-Rule-of-Law Polish leader humiliates German, lmao.
Le…
>>2524558Either the flip-flopping is to entice the Russians into negotiations by presenting uncertainty, or there is genuinely uncertainty when it comes to sending these “game changers”
They did the same thing with sending the MBTs where genuinely good points were raised about why sending Abrams tanks wasn’t a good idea, but in the end they were sent anyway, which pays credence to the idea that they only send shit out of desperation rather than as part of a planned escalation cycle to sneak NATO into Ukraine.
>>2524586When the docs are released libs will be all over how it was oh so obvious that this was a black op done in collaboration with nato lmao
Tomahawks are supposed to be lauch from subs and shit. There are no land based tomahawk launching vehicles.
so now they're saying Trump and Putin are going to meet in Hungary to talk about Ukraine again. What is the point, are they both just buying time now?
>>2524635I'm guessing the basic intuition is right and it's just chaos up there
War is too complex to solve with some talks
Trump has no knowledge of the crisis and was just told Russia was supposed to do this in 3 days but it's year 4
He wants out of the war but not blame for Ukraine failing afterward
He wants to pivot and get a peace prize but has to threaten if putin doesn't negotiate and make a complex war easy for him
But he doesn't want to get dragged into bidens war being trumps war
Being a nationalist in the center of an overextended liberal empire in a globalized world is incoherent I guess. Either direction you go is painful
>>2524467meh, giving him a week (or month or the time he needs to get his shit together and drop the act), and you'll see him talking about tomahawk deliveries again.
>>2524538
that would be insanely based for the DPRK to do. I know you are racist peace of shit, and an anti-communist, for stating that unironically.
>>2521282>>2522439lmao, they are all cucking Germany at this point. not only Italy, but also Poland.
>>2524431>Polan can not into statecraftoh, you see, when it comes to subdue Germany, apparently they can/
>>2524431>Polan can not into statecraftThey have bad bureaucracy
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