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484 posts and 147 image replies omitted.>>2511968>>2512160>Arabs would refuse to accept this very fair โTwo-State Solutionโstfu dogcunt all of the land is ours and not the land of some random ass european jews it the euro dogcunts were truly sorry for that they did they would just give the european jews a piece of germany and done but nope they needed to settle palestine because of some dogshit book 3 gazillion years ago if it wasnt for the nakba the arab jews would never have been kicked out anyways also the balfour declaration was signed by brits long before the holocaust and so was the havaara agreement by the germans indeed the root of all evil is eurocunts thinking they can just play around with the lives of the rest of the world. also in what world was the un partition plan just? the zionist state got 57 percent of the land which contained most of the arable land despite the zionists only being 500k while there were ca 1.2mil palestinians there at the time, chill yourself broski "arabs foolishly rejected it" who wouldnt reject loosing most of their land to colonizers? were native americans foolish or were the eurocunts just evil fucks? kus ummak ya akh el manyuki
>>2573839shut up you autistic zionist subhuman retard
>>2573989
quick reminder to kill yourself just as previously said how was that shit partition plan fair exactly? and who instilled those religious monarchies in the first place oh wait the brits and who financed religious organizations to combat socialism oh yeah also brits and americunts as previously stated you should kill yourself now. "you took the bait by not letting them take more than half your land! will you take the bait if steal more than half the rooms of your house, i think that would be a fair partition drop your adress lil uygha el manayek a7san minnak ya kalb wateh tel7as zebi ya ibn el 3ars bas eh "i voted jill ((stein)) who is yet another libtard liberal zionist look how great i am" anik ukhtak ya wisikh
>>2573996It was Fair because the borders were drawn on Ethno-linguistic lines with all of the Arab majority regions in the Arab state and all of the Jewish majority regions in the Jewish State, thus making it fully compatible with the Marxist-Leninist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalinโs โMarxism and the National Questionโ
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Leninโs โThe Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determinationโ
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which is the reason Stalinโs USSR supported it, โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ!
>>2574047ok nvm stfu russian saboteur
>>2573989
blah blah blah loquacious apologetics for zionism nobody cares about your midwit dogshit you've consistently had the worst takes on this board since its inception
the saddest part is you're not even a fed
just an authentic, reactionary zionist russian saboteur moron
>>2574047take a knife and cut your little dick off you fucking faggot, you don't deserve to be alive or give others the gift of life, I hope if your dysgenic kind ever somehow manages to breed that your children are diagnosed with terminal cancer and you have to hold their hands as they die
>>2574056>>2574079>>2574080The best thing that can be done is that we just agree to disagree, as this โdebateโ is clearly spiraling out of control, and I sincerely do not wish to cause anymore contentious disagreements in this thread, and I do understand where you guys are coming from, as it would have been much better if the Jews stayed in Europe and assimilated into the various Nations there, and the Crypto-Zionist Frankenberger did not murder 6 Million Jews so the rest would be forced to flee Europe and go back to Palestine in order to create the Zionist State and come into conflict with and ethnically cleanse the Arab population there, but that is sadly not the World we live in, so I will ask one more question before I leave this thread, what position do you want me to take on this issue, ๐ค?
>>2573839I'm tired of nations
>>2574089>and go back to Palestinestfu lmao just because their book says they come from israel (actually it says abraham is from iraq but god told him to move over) doesnt mean theyre from there thats like claiming an indonesian muslim has a promised spot of land in mekkah because hes muslim not matter what your magical book says a pole stays a pole and belarussian stays a belarussian, are you jewish? you act jewish.
>>2574128Only Liberal Idealist Anarchists and Fascists oppose the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalinโs โMarxism and the National Questionโ
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Leninโs โThe Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determinationโ
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ!
>>2574203I hate to break it to you, but Primary Sources, Archeological evidence, and Population Genetics all confirm that Jews are a Canaanite Semitic ethnic group that lived in Israel/Palestine/Judea/Canaan before the Romans expelled them in the Genocidal Roman-Jewish Wars in the 1st/2nd Century AD, with the second Autosomal DNA Ancestry Component Chart I posted showing that Ashkenazi Jews are 53% Roman Middle Eastern/Semitic, 33% Italic, and 14% Germanic, so they clearly are partially indigenous to the Levant, and the Palestinian Arabs are also indigenous due to the fact that they descend from a mixture of the populations that have been present in the region since the Jewish expulsion, including Arab Muslim tribes that invaded in the 7th Century AD, Arab Christian tribes like the Ghassanids that arrived in the 3rd Century AD, Jews that remained after the expulsion and slowly converted to Christianity and eventually Islam, and other Semitic groups like the Phoenicians and Arameans, thus proving that the only fair and just solution to this conflict is a Two-State Solution on the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land Swaps as described in my post at
>>2573839 , which is supported by the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), an organization that embraces the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, and is actively waging a Maoist PPW to liberate Palestine inside the Internationally recognized 1967 borders, โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ๐งฌ!
>>2574520>>>2574203 (You)>blah blahืืชื ืืืืื ืื ืืื?
There will always be Communists who side with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc in general support for national liberation movements.
There will always be Communists who side with Luxemburg, Pannekoek, Bordiga, etc and oppose it for varying reasons.
And of course there will always be those who take a stance somewhere in-between on the national question, such as the followers of Trotsky.
We can argue the theoretical positions for the rest of our lives while quoting one pamphlet or another.
But regardless of the theoretical positions, all Communists are opposed to the ongoing genocide, settler colonialism, racial apartheid and we all support armed revolutionary resistance to imperialism. Even if we disagree on what the eventual state in Palestine should be like.
Instead of the autistic and pointless infighting which is fine during times of relative calm, during a time of crisis like the present isn't it better that we focus on more urgent matters and wider issues facing Palestine today which unite us?
Rather than this focus on the specifics of the character of the nation that ultimately emerges, which is something we currently have no influence over given most factions in Palestine are not Marxist but Islamist in nature?
Every day there are more stories of "Israeli" and American atrocities against the Palestinians, every day the situation on the ground changes.
This isn't the time for hypotheticals, we must deal with the situation as we find it.
>>2573839>according to the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalinโs โMarxism and the National Questionโ https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Leninโs โThe Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determinationโ https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union ,Really bro, that's your reasoning? Your religious texts said we'll all live happily ever after?
>>2575177Every second sentence Cutrone says is wrong. Literally NO ONE believed Hamas was ever going to win a military war against Isnโtreal. The beauty of October )th was that it proved Zionism is a paper tiger.
Whatever Betar is threatened Norman Finklestein by giving him a pager
https://x.com/Betar_USA/status/1992703463474491631>>2575177I hate this guy. So fucking arrogant.
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/stealth-bombers-and-bunker-bustersStealth Bombers and Bunker Busters
>A retrospective analysis of the so-called 12-Day War, and the triumphantly celebrated Operation Midnight Hammer.
>The GBU-57 is a big fat gravity bomb with fins. To achieve effective precision, a B-2 bomber must drop it on its intended target from no further than about five nautical miles โ essentially right on top of the target.
>Its penetration depth is claimed to be 200 feet. But that capability has NEVER been tested against a seriously hardened deep-underground target encased in layers of high-performance concrete, and topped with a few dozen meters of solid rock. In that sort of real-world scenario, the GBU-57 would be lucky to drill down 50 feet, if that.
>It was always ridiculous silly talk to suggest the GBU-57 was the wonder weapon it was made out to be. There is a good reason the US only produced a couple dozen of them and then stopped: they understood its acute limitations in a non-permissive combat environment.
>And, notwithstanding the hyperbolic Israeli propaganda, there was never any credible evidence that Iranian medium- and long-range air defenses against fixed-wing aircraft were attrited to any significant degree. And Iranian short-range air defenses were increasingly effective against long-range Israeli drones with each passing day.
>As for the B-2: it is a big fat subsonic aircraft. It flies at airliner speeds. A strike on Fordow would entail flying at least 500 miles in and out of Iran.
>It is nonsense that the B-2 is effectively invisible. It can be tracked from long distances, and targeted sufficiently well that missiles with effective terminal guidance (thermal / optical) can kill it.
>The Iranians established during the October 26, 2024 Israeli counterstrike that they could paint F-35s with their radars. That is why the Israelis launched nothing but long-range stand-off munitions: aero-ballistic and cruise missiles โ of which they have a very limited stockpile.
>The same conditions prevailed during the 12-Day War.
>And just as the Israelis were unwilling to risk getting fighters shot down over Iran, neither was the USAF willing to risk getting a B-2 shot down over Iran.
>Maybe a few B-2s launched some JASSMs from over Iraq or the Caspian Sea. Maybe nothing but sub-launched Tomahawks hit Iranian targets. But it certainly wasnโt GBU-57 โBunker Busterโ bombs dropped by a half-dozen B-2s casually flying in Iranian airspace for an hour.
>And whatever was dropped inflicted no meaningful damage. Fordow was scratched at best. A bunch of surface structures at Natanz were blown up.
>Trumpโs claim that Iranโs nuclear program was destroyed is absurd nonsense. No one with even a modest understanding of these things believes that.
>The Israelis certainly donโt believe it, and they have admitted as much.
>It is true that, in retaliation, the Iranians precisely targeted and convincingly destroyed a significant communications complex at the American Al Udeid airbase in Qatar.
>The fictionalized B-2 โBunker Busterโ strike on Fordow, and the token Iranian ballistic missile strike on Al Udeid were orchestrated events designed to grease the tracks of a ceasefire that was proposed by the Americans and agreed to by the Iranians.
>The Americans and Israelis had expended almost their entire inventories of ballistic missile interceptors over the course of a week and a half, and Iranian missiles were raining down with effective impunity the last few days.
>The Iranians knew damn well they had already achieved a strategic victory, despite their shaky start.
>Iโm also convinced the Russians and Chinese encouraged Iran to accept the ceasefire proposal.
>It allowed both sides to claim a PR victory, lick their wounds, and prepare for the next round.
>Meanwhile, the Iranians have more production capability than do their US/Israeli counterparts. And it also appears the Iranians are much more amenable to Russian and Chinese assistance now than they may have been previously.
>When this war resumes, the Iranians will be comparatively stronger than they were before. And the risks for the US/Israel will be significantly heightened. this woman who nobody ever heard of the past two years is now doing a media tour about being kidnapped by crazy homophobic antisemitic rapist muslims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Tsurkov>>2576019lol calls him a holocaust denier
ABU SHABAB IS DEAD. LMAO
>Ireland, Slovenia, Spain, and the Netherlands announce they will boycott next year's Eurovision Song Contest after Israel's participation was confirmed by the European Broadcasting Union.
>>2582021the electronic intifada did some very interesting reporting on her. despite denying it, she used to work for military intelligence. She made several claims that don't add up like she can't speak arabic well. however then a video appears where she is in iraq, speaking perfect iraqi dialect, and talking politics about Muqtada el-sadr.
During the syrian war used to write a lot of articles that were pro-Takfiri jihadist, and how they and orthodox Judaism should be in alliance or something.
overall she glows extremely brightly.
>>2511968https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/4/armed-clashes-reported-between-yemeni-army-and-southern-separatistsFormer allies have started to fight each other in Yemen, as the STC, backed by UAE seize vast swaths of land in Hadramut against the Presidential leadearship council backed by Saudis.
While we are very far from that yet, the SLC only intends to control southern Yemen, the land of the former communist state (they themselves are not communist) so it's unlikely but not impossible they strike a deal with the Houthis who control the north of Yemen.
>>2583849what has this got to do with israel-palestine
>>2583852Houthis are implicated in the Israel-Palestine conflict, and it's in the area, however way the Yemeni civil war resolves itself will have an impact on the war to their north.
Hamas: The killing of Abu Shabab is the fate of every traitor to his people and homeland, and we appreciate the stance of the clans.
Hamas confirmed on Thursday evening that the fate of the Israeli occupation agent Yasser Abu Shabab is "the inevitable fate of everyone who chooses to betray his people and homeland and turns himself into a tool in the hands of the occupation."
In a statement regarding the killing of Abu Shabab, the movement explained that "the criminal acts committed by Abu Shabab and his gang constituted a blatant departure from the national and social ranks," noting that his behavior "only represents the isolated group he chose to join."
Hamas praised "the position of the families, tribes and clans who disowned Abu Shabab and all those involved in attacking their people or cooperating with the occupation, and removed the tribal and social cover from this group."
The movement believes that the occupationโs resort to socially and morally bankrupt and lawless gangs to implement illusory projects in the Gaza Strip reflects the extent of its helplessness in the face of the steadfastness of the people and the resistance.
Hamas stressed that the occupation, "which has failed to protect its agents, will not be able to protect any of its lackeys," and that the fate of "anyone who tampers with the security of his people and serves his enemy is to fall into the dustbin of history and lose any respect or standing in his society."
The movement concluded by affirming that "the unity of our people, with its families, tribes, clans, and national institutions, will remain the safeguard against all attempts to tamper with the internal fabric, and will not be a haven for criminal gangs or dubious projects, regardless of who is behind them."
Israeli media outlets announced on Thursday afternoon the killing of Yasser Abu Shabab and several of his associates in Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, describing it as "a bad development for Israel.
>>2583852we need a /mena/ or /gulf/ general to post all the shenanigans that go on on in sudan, yemen, iran, afghanistan, libya, etc tbqh
>>2583958>>2585532>clan>tribeYeah it's over
>>2585668>>2585669>>2585673>>2585686>>2585688Daaaaamn Israel is finished!
>>2586108the koran doesn't have to be true for muslims to deserve life, dipshit.
>>2585668I wonder if hamas regrets letting this one live. Not like that makes a difference but still. Pissrael is one sick society.
>>2586108Yea. Read Shlomo Sand. You will appreciate it!
Fdpd
>>2586108>The most bizarre part was even states that the story of Jewish slavery in Egypt isnโt trueOf course it isn't true, btw, all that jazz predates Judaism, just a schizo zionist talking point with no basis in reality.
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