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https://electronicintifada.net From the UK, single issue long time Palestinian investigative and general reporting, critical source
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https://www.btselem.org/Isrsaeli Premier Human Rights org
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https://www.972mag.com/Left news and opinion webzine from Tel-Aviv
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https://decolonizepalestine.com/A collection of resources for organizers and anyone who wants to learn more about Palestine
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https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/blogs/Known anti-zionist academic Norman Finkelstein's blog
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https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/larry-ellison-vetted-marco-rubio-israel-hacked-emails-ron-prosor>America is a Psyop: Larry Ellison Vetted Marco Rubio for Fealty to Israel, Hacked Emails Reveal
>Newly leaked correspondence shows Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison vetted Marco Rubio’s loyalty to Israel back in 2015, arranging meetings with Israeli diplomats and Tony Blair before Rubio emerged as a GOP star. Ellison later poured millions into Rubio’s campaign and remains one of Israel’s biggest U.S. backers, funding the Tony Blair Institute with $350M and pledging to help redevelop “New Gaza” alongside Trump.
>Ellison’s influence now extends into U.S. media and tech: his son David is acquiring CBS, CNN, Warner Bros., and Paramount, while Oracle is set to audit TikTok’s algorithm under Trump’s deal. With pro-Israel officials blaming TikTok for declining U.S. support for Israel, Netanyahu has openly called its acquisition the “most important purchase going on right now.”
>The leaks, published by Drop Site from the hacked inbox of ex-UN envoy Ron Prosor, highlight Ellison’s role as both financier and gatekeeper of American politics, media, and surveillance infrastructure all in service of Israel’s agenda.Zionist Occupied Government.
>>2511477cope and seethe zio
>>2511477Jews were never native of the region , they genocides the native population on the territory they claim to be native around 3000 years ago before being converted into modern day Arabs of the region, making delusional holidays won't change that, hope you get bombed or graped in your future Israelite.
>>2511483She even says herself:
>a holiday that commemorates going into that land. Sooo, you're saying you're not from that land?
<Oct 7 dealsLmao.
I like how you can just ask a generic question about "did god do X" and is programmed to automatically go:
>Yes, the Heeb god did…Isn't god a non-denominational generic word?
This will probably be a very unpopular opinion, but a proper Dialectical Materialist analysis of the Zionist-Palestinian conflict reveals that the “One-State Solution” is Bourgeois Liberal Individualist Idealism, as the Material Reality is that both Hamas and the PFLP have accepted the “Two-State solution” on the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps, and the only people who want a “One-State Solution” are either the Zionists who want to Genocide all of the Palestinian Arabs and annex the West Bank and Gaza into the Zionist State, or the Dumb Liberal Idealist Western Left that are Delusional enough to actually believe that Jews and Arabs can happily live together in some Imaginary Kumbaya Hippie Commune version of Palestine, as I am not afraid to drop a Truth Nuke and say that since the Zionist Frankenberger did the Holocaust and forced the entire Jewish population to flee Europe, the “Two-State Solution” has been the only viable solution to the Zionist-Palestinian conflict and Stalin was right to support the 1947 partition, and it is not his fault that the Jews and Arabs chimped out on each other, with the Zionists using this as an excuse to carry out the Genocidal Naqba, and my version of the “Two-State Solution” that will be implemented in the future Global USSR (this will be created by the successful World Maoist PPW that will happen after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System), that is based on the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , is that the Zionist State will be overthrown by a Maoist PPW and replaced with the Jewish SSR created inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land swaps (very similar to the two Maps in the third Image I posted, though ignore the disgusting Zionist propaganda that was unfortunately put in the captions, 😂🤣🤢🤮!), while the West Bank and Gaza are placed in the Arab SFSR that will include all the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted (The second Image I posted specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia), and the 1:1 Land swaps between the Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR will mean that Arab villages in the “triangle” region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the “Seam Zone”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone , so most Arabs and Jews that are in the “population transfer”, will not have to leave their homes, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2511493>the only people who want a “One-State Solution” are either the Zionists who want to Genocide all of the Palestinian Arabs and annex the West Bank and Gaza into the Zionist State, or the Dumb Liberal Idealist Western Left that are Delusional enough to actually believe that Jews and Arabs can happily live together in some Imaginary Kumbaya Hippie Commune version of PalestineVery ironic, especially coming from you lmao. You're a White booj lib from California.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isratin>Isratin or Isratine[1] (Hebrew: ישרטין, Yisrātīn; Arabic: إسراطين, ʾIsrāṭīn), also known as the bi-national state (Hebrew: מדינה דו-לאומית, Medina Du-Le'umit), is a proposed unitary, federal or confederate Israeli-Palestinian state encompassing the present territory of Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Depending on various points of view, such a scenario is presented as a desirable one-state solution resolving the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, or as a calamity in which Israel would ostensibly lose its character as a Jewish state and the Palestinians would fail to achieve their national independence within a two-state solution. Increasingly, Isratin is being discussed[by whom?] not as an intentional political solution – desired or undesired – but as the probable, inevitable outcome of the continuous growth of the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and the seemingly irrevocable entrenchment of the Israeli occupation there since 1967.
>The Gaddafi Isratin proposal intended to permanently resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict through a secular, federalist, republican one-state solution, which was first articulated by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the son of Muammar Gaddafi of Libya, at the Chatham House in London and later adopted by Muammar Gaddafi himself.
>Its main points are:
<Creation of a binational Jewish-Palestinian state called the "Federal Republic of the Holy Land"; <Partition of the state into five administrative regions, with Jerusalem as a city-state; <Return of all Palestinian refugees; <Supervision by the United Nations of free and fair elections on the first and second occasions; <Removal of weapons of mass destruction from the state; <Recognition of the state by the Arab League.
>Saif al-Islam Gaddafi's proposal was eventually incorporated in Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's book Arabic: إسراطين — الكتاب الأبيض, romanized: ʾIsrāṭīn — al-Kitāb al-ʾAbyaḍ, lit. 'Isratine — The White Book' released in the year 2000,[2] which served as his official guide to address the Arab–Israeli conflict and how to solve it.[3] Despite the suggestion of "Federal Republic of the Holy Land" as the name of this hypothetical new state, the name Isratin (Hebrew: יִשְׂרָטִין, Yisratin; Arabic: إسراطين, ʾIsrāṭīn), a portmanteau of the names "Israel" and "Falastin" ("Palestine" in Arabic and Hebrew) – variously spelled in English as "Isratine" or "Israteen" and sometimes rendered "Israstine" – has been used as a "working title" for the notion of a single state in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with Palestinians and Jewish inhabitants of all three having citizenship and equal rights in the combined entity.
>Muammar Gaddafi again championed the "Isratin proposal" in an op-ed article for the New York Times as the "only option" for a solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The timing of the article approximately coincided with the inauguration of Barack Obama as President of the U.S. and with the cease-fire that apparently marked the end of the Gaza War (2008–09).[4][5] Gaddafi argued that this solution would avoid the partitioning of West Bank into Arab and Jewish zones, with buffer zones between them.[6] I legit feel Gaza is uniting the world bros. And I think the reason is everyone projects themselves on Gaza. Everyone feels their life is as worthless as the life of Gazans.
I really hope this keeps escalating
>>2511553And who and what are you? What is your position? How are you different?
>>2511553 (me)
All you have, all the power you wield, is vibes and media. Which is to say you are just useful idiots, legitimizing the Nakba, for the liberals who run those industries.
What is this disorder, that affects socialists, where they have no power or influence or say. But nonetheless, rush to side with "popular" liberal movements and implicitly validate them by imparting them with a character they do not have. Just to make a claim of having the finger on the pulse of things. A claim to not being completely irrelevant.
It is pathetic and reminds me of trots talking up every other color revolution.
How's the IDF desertion movement going?
>>2511495>>2511498Stalin supported the “Two-State Solution” and the USSR voted for the 1947 Partition Plan, because it is in line with the Marxist-Leninist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , unlike the Bourgeois Liberal Individualist Idealist “One-State Solution” which deprives both Arabs and Jews of their Self-Determination in their own SSR, by forcing them to live together in the same “Binational” Bourgeois Zionist State just to please Dumb Western Bourgeois Idealist Left-Liberal Crypto-Zionists that foolishly believe that Jews and Arabs can Happily and Peacefully live together in a Kumbaya Hippie Commune version of a Crypto-Zionist “Palestine”, when in reality this “Binational” Bourgeois Zionist State would either quickly devolve into a Genocidal Civil War between Jews and Arabs, in which the former would attempt to complete the ongoing Zionist Genocide of Palestinian Arabs, or be a more “sanitized” version of the current Zionist Apartheid, by having Jews and Arabs be De Jure equal citizens, but De Facto the mostly Petit Bourgeois and Labor Aristocrat Jews will dominate the mostly Proletariat and Peasant Arabs, who will be De Facto Second Class citizens in this “Binational” State, which is why I support the “Two-State Solution” I described in my post at
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>>2511567never forget. on this day the IDF ruthlessly massacred Israeli civilians at the Nova music festival.
>>2511571AKA the IDF massacred the IDF since every Israeli citizen is former or serving IDF since its mandatory.
>>2511568Comrade, what are you trying to imply with that GIF, as I hope that you are not insinuating that the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR is somehow equivalent to the Ultra-Reactionary Demented Schizo Genocidal Nazi Fascist ideology of the German Zionist leader Adolf Frankenberger, 😂🤣🤔?
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>>2511493Upon the dissolution of the zionist entity, there will no longer be a jewish majority anywhere in the region, making the need for a Jewish SSR superfluous. You should remove it from your map making project
>>2511590>Comrade, what are you trying to imply with that GIF, as I hope that you are not insinuating that the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR is somehow equivalent to the Ultra-Reactionary Demented Schizo Genocidal Nazi Fascist ideology of the German Zionist leader Adolf Frankenberger, 😂🤣🤔?Yeah, Israel is roughly equivalent.
>>2511566What does Stalin's opinion on establishing a Jewish state in the Middle East have to do with anything? It wasn't his land to give away in the first place. If he wants to make a Jewish oblast in his own country, which he did, that's his business. Why do they need two whole ethnostates? Why do the Soviets have to give them land that isn't theirs in the first place to give away when they already made them their own ethnostate in Russia?
>>2511781What disgusting and repulsive people
>>2511781Is this bibi's ticktock A-Team?
They are so cooked.
>>2511493> Stalin was right to support the 1947 partition, and it is not his fault that the Jews and Arabs chimped out on each otherBased King Lear
>>2511791> you have to understand the Jews insane genocidal actions as a response to their unjust persecution, just like the Nakba is justified by the Holocaust. No. This has been their plan for Palestine from before the Holocaust.It's also not the same people. Zionism notably comes from jewish communities that were not part of the holocaust, so disconnected that i remember Finkelstein writing one time that his parents were looked down on as holocaust survivors by the established American jews.
>>2511571>civiliansNah. Nova festival was a battle-ground. It had armed guards and off-duty soldiers, also during the fighting people went to get their guns.
Even the israeli press admitted this, it's farcical to say civilians when they're fighting.
>>2511499>I really hope this keeps escalatingNationalist conflicts breed nationalism
>>2511483The Bible isn't a history book. There was no Canaanite genocide.
>>2511896Once again makes sense if you ignore all of history.
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It literally isn't a race. That's why they need to have so many racial categories:
Ashkenazi: White Jew
Sephardi: Spanish Jew
Mizrahi: Arab Jew
Beta: Black Jew
Then they got Russian Jews, Chinese Jews. You name it. You can convert to Judaism and become a Jew. From my understanding you can't convert to a race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions>Jewish ethnic divisions refer to many distinctive communities within the world's Jewish population. Although "Jewish" is considered an ethnicity itself, there are distinct ethnic subdivisions among Jews, most of which are primarily the result of geographic branching from an originating Israelite population, mixing with local communities, and subsequent independent evolutions.[1][2]
>During the millennia of the Jewish diaspora, the communities would develop under the influence of their local environments; political, cultural, natural and demographic. Today, the manifestation of these differences among the Jews can be observed in Jewish cultural expressions of each community, including Jewish linguistic diversity, culinary preferences, liturgical practices, religious interpretations, and degrees and sources of genetic admixture.[2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F>"Who is a Jew?" (Hebrew: מיהו יהודי, romanized: mihu yehudi, pronounced [ˈmi(h)u je(h)uˈdi]), is a basic question about Jewish identity and considerations of Jewish self-identification. The question pertains to ideas about Jewish personhood, which have cultural, ethnic, religious, political, genealogical, and personal dimensions. Orthodox Judaism and Conservative Judaism follow Jewish law (halakha), deeming people to be Jewish if their mothers are Jewish or if they underwent a halakhic conversion. Reform Judaism and Reconstructionist Judaism accept both matrilineal and patrilineal descent as well as conversion. Karaite Judaism predominantly follows patrilineal descent as well as conversion. "Anti-imperialists" can't seem to cope as they are revealed to be on the same side as these liberals of the fleet. That's what you get when you substitute class analysis with nationalism, racialism and moralism. The hard truth is that nothing will happen until the Israeli working class cooperates with the Palestine working class. Are they suffering the same? No. Is it near imposible for both to cooperate and make revolution? Yes, so nothing will happen. It's that simple.
>>2511917yet only askhenazi jews are accepted in israel, black jews get chemical castrations and their blood dumped on the trash, because israel is a white ethnostate larping as jews.
>>2511975then the only answer is to remove the openly reactionary class from the reactionary nation from the question, israel needs to be floored and it's population razed so revolution can spring from the local.
>>2511784As I have stated many times, it would have been much better if the Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardi Jews were allowed to integrate/assimilate into the various Nations of Europe, and the Mizrahi Jews were allowed to integrate/assimilate into the Arab Nation, but unfortunately Frankenberger made that impossible by murdering 6 Million Jews in the Holocaust, and causing Millions of surviving Jews to stuck in IDP camps throughout Europe after the War with no place to go, so Stalin recognized this Tragic new Material reality, and decided to support the Partition of the British Mandate of Palestine into a Jewish State (primarily including areas that were already majority Jewish from the waves of Zionist settlement over the previous several Decades, that had been allowed by both the Ottoman and British Empires, and including those that Frankenberger shipped there during the Harvard agreement) and an Arab State (including all the Arab majority regions), according to the Marxist-Leninist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , with the Jewish State meant to receive the Millions of displaced Jews in Europe, and it is also worth noting that Stalin was under the mistaken impression that the Jewish State was going to turn Socialist (it is an interesting Alternate History scenario to consider, as if Stalin was right and the Jewish State turned Socialist and joined the Warsaw Pact, everybody on this website and every Communist Party worldwide would have the opposite position on this conflict, and the U$ would be Pro-Palestine with Evangelical Protestants fetishizing Palestinian Arabs as the real descendants of the Israelites instead of the Jews, while Communists would be portraying the Jews as the Oppressed Indigenous people who the U$ and the Arabs are trying to Genocide, 😂🤣) and did not realize that the both the Jews and Arabs would refuse to accept this very fair “Two-State Solution”(pictured in the First Image I posted) and proceed to Chimp out on each other, with the Zionists using this as a Casus Belli for the Genocidal Naqba, so in conclusion any honest Communist would realize that Stalin’s “Two-State Solution” was right all along, and it is not his fault that the Zionist Jews wanted to steal more Arab land, and the Arabs played into Zionist hands by foolishly rejecting the 1947 Partition agreement, which is why I support the “Two-State Solution” (very similar to the two Maps in the Second Image I posted, though ignore the disgusting Zionist propaganda that was unfortunately put in the captions, with the additional caveat that the Arab portion will be part of an Arab SFSR that will include all the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in the Third Image which shows all the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!) I described in my post at
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>>2511795Thanks Comrade Z Anon, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2511932There's an in-group and an out-group. That makes it a race.
>race is a social construct
>jews aren't a race because DNA
you can't have both
>>2512195You can convert to Judaism and become a Jewish Jew, can you convert into a race?
57 Arab and Muslim countries offer Israel a PEACE DEAL
>I want to add one sentence: the Israeli Prime Minister came here today and said that Israel is surrounded by those who want to destroy it. We're here, members of a Muslim Arab committee mandated by 57 Arab and Muslim countries, and I can tell you here very unequivocally: all of us are willing to right now guarantee the security of Israel in the context of Israel ending the occupation and allowing for the emergence of an independent Palestinian State along the reference that we all agree. He is creating that danger because he simply does not want the two-state solution, and if he does not want the two-state solution, can you ask the Israeli officials what is their end game other than just wars and wars and wars? I'm telling you, all of us in the Arab world here, we want a peace in which Israel lives in peace and security, accepted and normalized with all Arab countries in the context of ending the occupation, withdrawing from Arab territory, and allowing for the emergence of an independent, sovereign Palestinian State on June 4, 1967 lines with occupied Jerusalem as its Capital. That is our narrative, and we will guarantee Israel's security in that context. Can you ask Israelis what's their narrative other than "I'm going to continue to go to war, I'm going to kill this and kill that and destroy this and destroy that"? The amount of damage that the Israeli government has done to 30 years of efforts to convince people that peace is possible—this Israeli government killed it. The amount of dehumanization, hatred, and bitterness will take generations to navigate through. So ultimately, the question is, we want peace and we've laid out a plan for peace; ask any Israeli official what is their plan for peace—you'll get nothing because they're only thinking of the first step: "we're going to go destroy Gaza, inflame the West Bank, destroy Lebanon," and after that they have no plan. We have a plan; we have no partner for peace in Israel. There is a partner for peace in the Arab world.
Top Vatican cardinal says Israel carrying out massacre in Gaza
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -The Vatican's top diplomat sharply criticised Israel's "ongoing massacre" in Gaza in comments published on Monday - one of the Catholic Church's strongest condemnations of Israel's war against the militant group Hamas.
In an interview tied to the second anniversary of Hamas' attack on Israeli communities on October 7, 2023, Cardinal Pietro Parolin also called those attacks "inhuman and indefensible" and urged Hamas to free remaining hostages.
"Those who are attacked have a right to defend themselves, but even legitimate defence must respect the principle of proportionality," said Parolin, the Vatican secretary of state and one of Pope Leo's top deputies.
"The war waged by the Israeli army to eliminate Hamas militants disregards the fact that it is targeting a largely defenceless population, already pushed to the brink, in an area where buildings and homes are reduced to rubble," he said.
"It is … clear that the international community is, unfortunately, powerless and that the countries truly capable of exerting influence have so far failed to act to stop the ongoing massacre," Parolin told the Vatican's media outlets.
Israel's embassy to the Holy See called Parolin's interview "surely well-intentioned", but lamented that it "focuses on criticizing Israel while overlooking Hamas’ continued refusal to release hostages or stop the violence".
In a post on X on Tuesday, the embassy said it was "problematic" to use the word "massacre" to describe both the Hamas attack and Israel's response to it, adding that there could be "no moral equivalence" between the two sides.
Asked about the Israeli statement, Leo stood by Parolin.
"I prefer not to comment now. The cardinal has expressed very well what the opinion of the Holy See is," he told reporters at Castel Gandolfo, a papal residence just outside Rome.
The Vatican, which has embassies in many capitals, normally uses guarded language in addressing conflicts, preferring to avoid press coverage and operate behind the scenes.
But Leo, elected in May after the death of Pope Francis, has been stepping up criticism of Israel's campaign in Gaza.
He has urged Israel to let in more aid and raised Gaza in a meeting with Israeli President Isaac Herzog in September.
Parolin added: "It's not enough to say that what is happening is unacceptable and then continue to allow it to happen.
"We must seriously ask ourselves about the legitimacy … of continuing to supply weapons that are being used against civilians." He did not name any countries.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/top-vatican-cardinal-says-israel-145352787.html>>2511903>The Bible isn't a history book. the bible is a mixture of myth, legend, and history. to say it is 0% history is retarded. It has history. usually very bad and biased history, but still history
>There was no Canaanite genocide.What makes you so sure? You don't have to exterminate 100% of Canaanites for it to count as a genocide. Genocide is defined as any attempt to remove a people, in whole or in part, by means either direct or indirect. Sieges, forced marches and destruction of agriculture can contribute to a genocide. In the ancient world such practices were very common in warfare.
>>2512622Rare Kucklinski W.
Yeas i am kinda jealous he gets to pork krystal but I would not sell out my beliefs for a milf. She ruined this guy, he is now a democrat shill. This is exactly the strategy israel uses to pacify opponents, i.e. the esther strategy: give a hot girl to seduce and out fly your principles.
>>2511903That's a bullshit statement because we have records that other civilizations
>persians>babylonians>assyriansDid infact genocide peoples. Just read about the Ionian revolt and what the persians did to put it down. Also, Plato's Atlantis was an allegory to the persian empire. Considering that jewish script was changed in babylon
<that lettering necklace on the zio influencer is babylonian script the original hebrew writing looked more phoenicianI would not be surprised if genocides either did happen, or were retroactively ingrained into jewish theology as a good thing following zoroastrian and persian influence.
>>2511471YOU are making them become terrorists puta.
>>2511473Why does nobody ever betray israel? Like what prevents a guy from blowing ziorats and taking bribes, then doing a 180? That's what I would do. There was an ancient israeli king that did that, he made a feast for baal and made everyone join, only those stauchly opposed to baal didn't go so he killed all the ones that went to the feast. Like I would do that to ziorats.
>>2513171>Rare Kucklinski W.>She ruined this guy, he is now a democrat shillWasn't he a shitlib before? As I recall he was quite the bernie style lib years back when I actually bothered to follow him. Looking him saying that even jokingly is a huge upturn for him IMO.
Is this "fall for grace" a recent development in your eyes? I see that clip there is like few months old at tops.
>>2512220europe appeases hitler
==Diplomatic circles warn: Military movements inside Syria near the Lebanese border portend security threats.
Field reports and Western diplomatic circles warn of unusual military movements inside Syria near the Lebanese border, raising concerns of a security threat.==
Field reports and informed Western diplomatic circles indicate "unusual" military movements within Syrian territory adjacent to the Lebanese border in recent weeks. This raises concerns about the potential emergence of new threats to Lebanon's security and the stability of the region.
According to the same sources, reports indicate the presence of thousands of members of armed Islamist groups, including non-Syrian elements, in the border areas between Syria and Lebanon.
Among them are Uzbek, Chechen, and Uighur fighters who had previously received training in military camps located in eastern Syria.
Sources reported that some of these groups withdrew to Aleppo to join the fight against the SDF.
Informed circles have warned of a serious threat to Lebanese security, primarily, and to the region's security in general, in the future. They note that this reality brings to mind the experience of ISIS's expansion in Iraq and Syria in recent years.
The border region between Lebanon and Syria has witnessed tensions in recent months, with Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham militants continuing to fire rockets from the Qusayr countryside toward border towns in Lebanon's Hermel outskirts, prompting a response from the Lebanese army.
>>2511968Not enough killed, Viva KHamas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can a Yahud catch a break? /s no ban senõr por favor
>>2514192people fell for the US regime propaganda of freedom and democracy, the same regime that keeps the genocidal etnostate afloat plays nice and makes a one sided peace treaty that will fuck them in the end, only by extermination of the US forces and total subjugation this will end.
>>2514192Given the turnover of Hamas fighters and the average age in Gaza the negotiators might have literally been born yesterday.
>>2514192I don't think it'll resolve the underlying reasons for the conflict. Israel isn't leaving the West Bank. But honestly I think the IDF is just flat-out physically exhausted and Trump is giving them a chance to end it. The army is mostly conscripts and reservists, and the reservists in many cases have been called up repeatedly over the past two years. It wears them out physically but also messes up their lives. Like if they have a business or a family.
NYT from last month:
>Over the past few months, an increasing number of Israeli reserve soldiers have not been showing up for military service. Some cite exhaustion, as well as the need to save strained marriages or foundering careers. Others say they are increasingly disillusioned with the war … around a dozen other officers and soldiers described depleted and exhausted units, with at least two saying that 40 to 50 percent of their reservist comrades were not turning up for duty. Others said they had dropped out, believing that the war was no longer just. Most spoke on condition of anonymity because they were worried about reprisals or were not authorized to speak publicly … Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir, the Israeli military chief, objected to Mr. Netanyahu’s decision to expand the offensive in Gaza in part because of concerns over the fitness of reservists, according to four Israeli security officials.[…]
>“We keep trying to squeeze out everything we can without real strategic planning,” said Omer Dank, an Israeli military analyst who serves in the air force reserves. “The current model is unsustainable. The army is exhausted.”
>Military analysts say the system of calling up reservists from civilian life for stints in battle worked for shorter wars. But many reservists have now done hundreds of days of active service, turning them into absent fathers, employees and students.One soldier said turnout in his 100-strong company had gradually dwindled to 60, with many citing tensions at home over child care, problems at their day jobs and mental health reasons. To incentivize reservists, the soldier said, his unit was being deployed into Gaza for a week at a time, then being given two-week breaks of paid leave.
[…]
>“It’s not that people have decided to shirk their duty. It’s because they are genuinely struggling,” said Ariel Heimann, a retired brigadier general who led a military body that managed reservists.Another source:
>Israel’s Maariv newspaper has warned of deepening strain within the Israeli military, describing the army as “approaching the point of explosion” under the weight of the Gaza war and growing political isolation.
>In an article titled “Are We Moving to Slingshots? The Serious Crisis in the Israeli Occupation Army Is Approaching the Point of Explosion,” military correspondent Avi Ashkenazi argued that the campaign in Gaza “lacks professional leadership” and is being run by “amateurs,” producing “extremely negative results for the state and the army.”
>Ashkenazi drew parallels with a remark made by Israel’s first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, in 1955, when he referred to the United Nations as “tired nations” as Israel’s moves forward with occupying the besieged Gaza Strip. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250926-maariv-warns-israel-army-exhausted-and-nearing-breaking-point-amid-political-isolation/ <22-year-old Palestinian, held without charge or trial since May 2024, dies in Israeli custody — the 78th Palestinian “prisoner” to die since Oct 7.
<The Palestinian Prisoner’s Society said Ahmad Khdeirat, from Adh-Dhahiriya near Hebron, entered prison with diabetes, contracted scabies in Israel’s notorious Negev camp, and endured severe hunger and untreated illness while imprisoned. They said he lost 40kg before his death.
<Khdeirat was among 3,544 Palestinians being held indefinitely under “administrative detention,” out of more than 11,000 prisoners in Israeli jails, excluding thousands more Gaza captives.https://nitter.net/DropSiteNews/status/1975711582421147728 SA'ADAT WILL BE RELEASED!!!
>>2514309Source? I thought they hadn't agreed on life prisoners.
When? Because if it's a late phase i doubt Sa'adat and Baragouti are seeing freedom. If they do they'll be deported also. :(
>>2514218The negotiators are outside of Gaza. My worry is that with Sinwar and some others of influence gone that the armed brigades will be locked out of the negotiations.
>>2514310 (me)
This is from Ynet, but 8 hours ago so could have changed:
<Negotiations in Sharm el Sheikh have advanced quickly, but significant disagreements remain — particularly over which Palestinian security prisoners will be included in any swap. Israel has already vetoed the release of high-profile figures such as Marwan Barghouti and Ahmad Saadat, and it is uncertain whether “heavy” prisoners beyond Hamed would be released.<Talks are now zeroing in on the names of prisoners to be freed in exchange for 20 living hostages. One Israeli source described progress as “rapid.” Trump negotiates only to secure an advantage for Israel so it can pull off assassinations or other covert ops. How many more clues do they need? Especially after Iran and Qatar. smh. Trump is incapable of negotiating in good faith. Look, it's hard to continue feeling sympathy for the 'betrayed' negotiators who fail to learn a damn thing.
At least 18,457 children have been killed in Gaza, and The Guardian has published all of their names.https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/oct/08/young-lives-cut-short-on-an-unimaginable-scale-the-18457-children-on-gazas-list-of-war-dead
<By the end of July, the list compiled by Gaza’s health authorities included the names of 18,457 children killed in Israeli strikes.
>The British newspaper The Guardian has published the names of all these children. It also tells more about some of the children who died in the war: What kind of families did they have? What kind of lives did they live? And how did they die?
<For example, 15-year-old Nahedh Mohammed Adel Ramez Barbakh was evacuating from the western part of Khan Younis with his family on January 25, 2024. Israel had urged residents of the area to move elsewhere.
>Nahedh Mohammed Adel Ramez Barbakh had taken only a few steps from his home, holding a white flag, when an Israeli sniper shot him in the thigh. When he turned to try to go back inside, the sniper shot him from behind — in the head and back.
<The list of children published by The Guardian is not comprehensive, as thousands of people remain buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings in Gaza. Minors make up about one-third of all those killed in Gaza during the past two years.
>The United Nations estimates that around 40,000 children have been injured in the war in Gaza. >>2514192>Once Israel gets what it wants, it will resume its attacks immediately.As opposed to just continuing it's attacks as it is doing it now?
So what happens now if the deal goes through, will the IDF continue massacring civilians? Or that's it and return to the status quo (not good either)? I see no good option either way.
>>2514407
literally nothing in that post is about "le hecking westerners" you fucking retard, you idiots just want an excuse to complain about "ze ebil western libs" for not personally jacking off your shitty bourgeois states
>>2514489Netanyahu says he won't follow the deal, best case scenario the resistance groups get to regroup a little or Netanyahu is dumb enough to open another front and over extend himself, maybe Syria, he already has troops in Syria and right now there isn't that much resistance because the Syrian people are tired of war but if he pushes into syria or attacks something that gets the people riled up then resistance could return, same with Lebanon, hezbollah started and pushed the Israeli out of south Lebanon in the 2000s with less and other group might emerge and we more effective.
>>2514744>Might it be that their goal was never to secure Palestinian lives, but to destroy Israel?The former requires the latter.
Hamas: We are keen on a national dialogue to ensure everyone's agreement on the next steps and the future plan.
Head of Hamas' National Relations Office, Hussam Badran, stated that October 7, 2023, marked a pivotal day in the conflict with the Israeli occupation, stressing that what was achieved today is the fruit of the steadfastness of the Palestinian people and the resistance in the Gaza Strip.
Badran explained that Hamas approached the Trump plan from a comprehensive Palestinian nationalist perspective, aiming to unify the Palestinian position in the face of all challenges. He noted that "the movement has been in contact with various factions and national figures since the plan's announcement to highlight the risks and the need to formulate a common national position."
He added that the movement had held intensive meetings and contacts, and exchanged messages with factions, leaders, and independent elites over the past few days, to unify the Palestinian national response to the plan and subsequent phases. He emphasized that "the final response presented was the fruit of these extensive consultations."
<Badran: The national dialogue in Cairo consolidates the unity of the Palestinian position.
Badran noted that work on this approach continued during the negotiations held in Sharm el-Sheikh, noting Hamas's commitment to holding a comprehensive national dialogue in Cairo to discuss the details of the agreement and the future plan, ensuring everyone's agreement on the next steps and phases.
Badran emphasized that any Palestinian decision must express a unified position and include all factions and national elites, adding, "A unified position is the strongest in confronting the occupation and achieving national aspirations."
Badran concluded by saying, "The Palestinian consensus constitutes a solid foundation for confronting the occupation and achieving the legitimate rights of our people on their land and in their future state," emphasizing that hope remains for shaping a free and just Palestinian future at the hands of the Palestinian people.
The ceasefire in the Gaza Strip went into effect at noon local time today, while Al-Mayadeen's correspondent noted that the occupation renewed its bombing of the Gaza Strip after the agreement came into effect.
Israeli Channel 12 quoted sources in the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as saying, "The ceasefire will only come into effect after the government approves it this afternoon."
The early hours of Wednesday-Thursday, October 8-9, witnessed a pivotal political development in the course of the war on Gaza, after Hamas announced the conclusion of a comprehensive agreement stipulating an end to the Israeli aggression on the Strip, the withdrawal of occupation forces, the entry of humanitarian aid, and a prisoner exchange.
>>2514314What the fuck good are the negotiators if they don't speak for the militant forces?
I am not optimistic about this deal lmao. It's going to be shoehorned globally, (even by the likes of Palestinian state recognizing nations) as a great peacemaking project because everyone is tired of this shit, but Israel will of course completely fuck it up as much as they can.
Clearly Gaza and Hamas are worn down as well, and this is obviously an attempt to beg for mercy at an obvious loss, and I can't blame them, of course. But this is not going to be the end of it.
>>2514861If the Israelis are smart (they're not) they'll accept the massively favorable terms of the agreement and settle down and solidify their position in the liberal world order and avoid prosecution for their war crimes forever. If they chill from here on out, bibi will never be arrested, and justice will never actually be enacted.
Of course they'll continue to commit atrocities because they're retarded
When will George Soros openly support Palestine, and oppose state of Isntreal?
>>2514876never, because he's a capitalist
>>2514821Welcome to natlib movements
>>2515106he has already won one before
every US president gets them
>>2515106if he does it sort of puts a cherry on top of american politics. ol'dronestrikes obama getting the peace prize was a load of bullshit but liberals/the establishment were forced to die on that hill defending it which was a shit position, blatantly hypocritical with nowhere to go,and trump was ceded the only part of the mainstream narrative that was allowed to criticize that. It's like if george lucas wrote this.
>>2515106I feel like a child murderer shouldn't get a prize for deciding to stop murdering children
>>2514868Yeah I'm sure there will be peace in no time and they'll be allowing the UN inspectors in making the 700000+ death toll and genocide verdict official.
>>2515126he didn't win one he put up a fake magazine cover showing him getting one in mar a lago
>>2515141Do you think the Nobel Committee cares about that?
Frankly judging by their previous recipients, if Trump doesn't get it for getting Cambodia and Thailand to the table and for pushing this deal I sincerely think them avoiding Trump would just be due to liberal bias.
>>2515206>for pushing this dealWhat deal? Too soon to tell whether this is yet another "deal" aimed at facilitating Israeli ops or aimed at being a Nobel gimmick. No prizes for that.
Trump doesn't deserve it, and Obama didn't deserve it either.
>>2515206Of course the Nobel committee are incredibly lib, are you fucking retarded? Trump will never get one no matter if he somehow ended all wars.
>>2515106>if this is legit and holdsIt won't hold. Next step of the deal/process is Hamas disarming, they will never agree to that and like clockwork Israel will use that as an excuse to keep going. Also all of this smells a lot like prepping for a war with Iran and then wiping out Gaza after that.
>>2515106Israel's been bombing Gaza from the sky non-stop for the last few hours.
Part of my wishes the deal was real, and that the nest of vipers in Israel would start eating itself as hardliners go to war with each other in order to keep the war going at all costs.
>>2515303No shit. I literally said that. They have an obvious liberal bias and Trump not getting it is solely due to that. Why do I need to restate my very simple posts because you fucking dumbasses don't know how to read things properly?
>>2515294Stop seeing the Nobel Peace Prize as some impartial award.
A lunatic world we live in. Millions of people getting shot at like fish in a barrel, given reprieve not from the global mass mobilization for the past two years but from Trump's desire for recognition from a clique of liberals in the Nobel Committee.
>>2515294>Too soon to tell whether this is yet another "deal" aimed at facilitating Israeli opsNo it isn't. It's extremely obvious that that's what it is.
They need a really big smokescreen for more war with Iran.
Hamas cucked out because they are controlled opposition, 3 years of war and nothing to show for it
>>2516563These people hate Hitler and Hitler would have hated them.
>>2516576>>2516579what was the point of holding onto hostages for 3 years if you're just going to end up giving them up for nothing more than you initially had? they just provided Israel with an indefinite justification to proceed with their genocide, and why the IDF never really care to rescue them in the first place
all that's happened is the jig is up, both Hamas and the IDF got the Trump call to make some sort of made up peace deal happen for optics sake
>>2516588Ngl nowadays I unironically believe Oct 7 was a Zionist op co-ordinated with Hamas leadership to accelerate the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
KKKhamas serves the same role as John Hurt's character in Snow Piercer: Controlled opposition working in tandem with the oppressor to reduce the population every couple years.
>>2516592if keeping the hostages until you get concessions was never a long-term strategy then the rationale for Oct 7 is even less apparent, even as a desperate suicide mission, I hardly see how Israel today is weaker than it was 3 years ago, or what made this is all worth it in the end
>>2516618The various Jewish uprisings in Nazi Germany generally didn't have much of a plan either
>>2516596I don't agree because it's too conspiracy brained, but it has a fat kernel of truth.
Hamas was propped up by Israel as the perfect enemy to fight, some crazy sectarian Islamist fuckboys instead of more level headed PFLP and socdems who would be smarter and have more grassroot international support. Then the mossad, one of the most effective intelligence agencies in the world that can make your pager explode, just misses that there's this huge invasion coming. Then they annihilate a quarter of the Gazan population without a real effective violent resistance while quite successfully making themselves seen as the victims.
It's just a little too convenient, but I'm in the opinion that they carefully cultivated having a stupid enemy rather than fully controlling them.
>>2516573>>2516588>>2516596>>2516618>>2516640Based Analysis Comrades, I have believed since it happened that the “October 7th Attack” was a Mossad False Flag Operation (just like 9/11 was a CIA/Mossad False Flag Operation and the Moscow Apartment Bombings was a FSB/GRU/CIA/Mossad False Flag Operation, etc.) and that Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran are Reactionary Islamist Controlled Opposition to the Zionist State, with October 7th designed to act as a Casus Belli for the Zionist Genocide of Gaza, and eventually the West Bank as well, along with destroying the Controlled Opposition “Axis of Resistance” (ie. The complete destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah, the Fall of Assad, the destruction of Iran’s obsolete Ballistic Missiles and fake Nuclear Program, and the inevitable overthrow of the Iranian Theocracy in a U$ Air Campaign/No-Fly Zone and subsequent Iranian Civil War where the Oppressed Azeris, Kurds, Arabs, and Balochis will launch simultaneous Uprisings to achieve National Liberation), along with guaranteeing Trumps victory in the 2024 U$ Presidential Election, due to the fact that the Zionist Haute Bourgeoisie forced the Biden/Harris administration to support the Zionist Genocide of Gaza which caused Michigan to vote for Trump due to the Dearborn Arabs voting for Stein, and I voted for Stein for the same reason, because I live in California, but if I was in a Swing State I would have held my nose and voted for Harris (the only people I give a pass for voting Stein in a Swing State are the Dearborn Arabs, because the Biden/Harris administration was responsible for killing their relatives, but everybody else should have voted for Harris), due to her being the Lesser Evil to Trump, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
In conclusion, the only hope for Palestine, the entire Arab Nation, and the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World, is that the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China will escalate into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the first Map I posted, the second Map specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, while the third Image I posted shows the version of the Two-State Solution to the Zionist-Palestinian Conflict implemented in the future Global USSR with the Zionist State overthrown by a Maoist PPW and replaced by a Jewish SSR created inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land swaps that are very similar to the two Maps in the third Image I posted, while the West Bank and Gaza are placed in the Arab SFSR that will include all the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in both my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted and the second Image I posted that specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, and the 1:1 Land swaps between the Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR will mean that Arab villages in the “triangle” region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the “Seam Zone”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone , so most Arabs and Jews that are in the “population transfer”, will not have to leave their homes, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
Israeli media commented on the spread of Hamas elements in the Gaza Strip: The movement has survived as an organization and authority.
Israeli figures and media outlets confirmed the failure of the war on the Gaza Strip, noting that Hamas has held firm as an authority and organization.
Avi Issacharoff, an expert on Palestinian affairs at the Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper, told Israel's Channel 12 that "the number one goal set by the Israeli government two years ago, namely the overthrow of Hamas, has not been achieved." He added that "Hamas has held on as the authority in Gaza."
Issacharoff added that under the ceasefire, "Hamas militants are in the streets, deployed with their weapons, covering their faces with masks to prevent identification, wearing body armor, and demonstrating effective governance." "Hamas as an authority has held its own, and this is the reality we live in today," Issacharoff said.
In the same context, Israeli journalist and author Haim Levinson said: "Hamas has endured as an organization, and this is a proven fact. The organization remained organized from the ground up, with disciplined soldiers, and it did not collapse over two difficult years ."
Reserve Major General Yitzhak Brick confirmed in an interview with Israel News 24 that US President Donald Trump saved Israel from itself at the last minute, describing it as a "miracle."
He added, "Anyone who is talking today about continuing the war in Gaza, I want to remind you of what Eyal Zamir (Chief of Staff) said, and I said this before him: a death trap," noting that "the Israeli army was unable to defeat Hamas."
Brik pointed out that "the army cannot release the prisoners by force of arms, and we will lose hundreds of people," stressing, "We have lost the world and we will lose Israel's ability to confront the threats growing around us."
Speaking about Hamas, Brik said, "The war is over, and Hamas will not be disarmed." He added, "Hezbollah is arming itself, even if we deal it a severe blow."
Journalist Doron Kadosh told Israel News 24 that the war effectively ended without the Gaza Strip being demilitarized. Hamas remained a functioning organization with a leadership, and its tunnels and control of the Strip remained intact.
He added, "Hamas has regained control of entire areas of the Gaza Strip without an alternative force," noting that Hamas has not made any clear commitment to disarm, cease arming, cease weapons production, or dig tunnels.
What do my fellow Comrades think of my In-depth Dialectical Materialist Analysis of the Zionist-Palestinian conflict at
>>2516885, 🤔?
>>2517006I think it is awful. It is a shallow, mechanistic, idealistic "analysis" of the conflict.
Low key are you just baiting with these? Because your two state solution crap is all you post nowadays, I don't even see pro-democrat stuff.
>>2516885Lear I like how you made Africa 70% black because you've never researched African ethnic groups and think most Africans are the same lol
>>2517061I am only posting so much about the Two-State Solution to the Zionist-Palestinian Conflict (I like to view it as “Stalin’s Solution” that would have stopped this conflict from even starting in the first place if the Jews and Arabs took the USSRs advice and acted like Rational Adults instead of Theocratic Reactionaries and subsequently didn’t Chimp out on each other in 1947, 😂🤣🤢🤮!) that will be implemented in the future Global USSR (this will be created by the successful World Maoist PPW that will happen after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System), because of the temporary “Ceasefire” that has been recently announced in the Zionist Genocide of Gaza, and out of pure curiosity Comrade S Poster, what do exactly you think is “shallow, mechanistic, and idealistic” about my In-depth Dialectical Materialist Analysis of the Zionist-Palestinian conflict at
>>2516885, 🤔?
>>2517079I tried to make a more In-depth and Accurate portrayal of the SSRs and SFSRs of the Global USSR in Sub-Saharan Africa, but Mapchart kept crashing so I unfortunately ended up having to keep the region lumped together in a single “Black African SFSR”, but eventually I will try again to fix that part of the Map, which is the only part of the Map that does not line up with Stalin’s definition of the Nation and the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, 😂🤣 ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2516618>I hardly see how Israel today is weaker than it was 3 years agoWell, it's dramatically worse. But Gaza is also dramatically worse as a result of a genocide.
This is not "in the end," that is one major problem with your premise. This is not over in any sense at all.
>>2517111Shin Bet is their NSA Mossad is their CIA.
But the reason I don't buy the theory that Israel let this happen is that the Israeli glowies and intelligence-connected types working in journalism view 10/7 as a total disaster, and I think they really do view it that way. They're not omnipotent or all-powerful. What they have is a lot of money and heavy weapons, but there's no supernatural level of power of mystery to it. The attack made Israel look incredibly weak. They have tried to claw back the impression that Israel isn't weak by killing 100 Palestinians for every dead Jew.
I believe Maki and PFLP could make a state together if there was a realistic path towards that
>>2517111>>2517113No offense, Comrade Gay Nazi Anon (I always chuckle when I see your flag, 😂🤣!), but I would not advise being gullible enough to take anything from the Zionist Intelligence Agencies Propaganda narrative about the “October 7th Attack” at face value, as everything that comes out of their mouths is utter bullshit, just like I wouldn’t take Iran and it’s “Axis of Resistance” Puppets/Proxies (ie. Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, etc.) Propaganda at face value either, as it is not in the inherent interest of any of these Reactionary Bourgeois Theocratic Fascist forces to tell anyone the truth about the Deadly Kabuki Theatre Puppet Show they have been running in the Middle East since the Iranian Revolution that brought the Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet Iranian Theocracy into power and the subsequent Iran-Iraq War where the U$ and the Zionist State supported the Iranian Theocracy (ie. Iran-Contra) in their War against Baathist Iraq designed to destroy the Secular Leftist Baathist/Arab Nationalist movement and replace it with Reactionary Islamist Theocracy in order to fracture the Arab Nation on sectarian Sunni-Shia lines, with Shia Islamist Iran playing a key role in helping the U$ Invade Iraq in 2003 (the U$ puppet government that replaced Baathist Iraq was full of Shia Islamist Iranian Puppets/Proxies), and Hamas being supported by both Iran and the Zionist State to divide the Palestinian Arabs by weakening Communist groups like the PFLP and the larger Secular Leftist Arab Nationalist/Baathist forces in the PLO, by infecting Palestinian Arabs with the Reactionary Virus of Islamist Theocracy, which acts as a convenient scapegoat for the Zionist State to “justify” both their rejection of the Two-State Solution and launching of the ongoing Genocide of Gaza, and eventually the West Bank as well, 🤢🤮! By the way Comrade Gay Nazi Anon, what do you think of my In-depth Dialectical Materialist Analysis of the Zionist-Palestinian conflict, especially my proposed Two-State Solution in the future Global USSR, at
>>2516885, 🤔?
>>2517139May his soul find a place it deserves
Israel is using american biker crusaders to slaughter gazans
It's hilarious how the mods deleted all my posts from previous Palestine threads, calling out exactly the current state of affairs, for being "doomerism".
What's next, purging every-post who accurately called Mamdani a liberal Zionist, because it hurts your feefees being wrong?
Truth hurts eh?
>>2517260 (me)
If you gonna moderate to the standard of your average trot world-understander, at least you could do the work of scavenging the liberal press for scraps of narratives to stitch together into a coherent whole told-you-so-revolution-was-inevitable. And then revise it every other week.
If nothing else, it'd force you to build an org to buttress your ever crumbling worldview with press releases.
A Hamas official told AFP: The demand to disarm is out of the question and is absolutely out of the question.
A Hamas official confirmed on Saturday that the demand to disarm the resistance, which was included in US President Donald Trump's plan for the Gaza agreement, is "out of discussion."
The official, who preferred to remain anonymous, told Agence France-Presse that "the issue of handing over weapons is out of the question and is not on the table."
Earlier, President Trump indicated that "the issue of Hamas surrendering its weapons will be addressed as part of the second phase of the Gaza plan."
The Israeli occupation government officially ratified the Gaza ceasefire and prisoner exchange agreement on Friday, hours after the political and field understandings between the concerned parties were completed.
The agreement, signed after indirect talks in Egypt mediated by Egypt, Qatar, and the United States, includes a permanent ceasefire and an exchange of Israeli prisoners held by Hamas for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails.
>>2517141Well the Israelis thought they had the Palestinians split politically with Hamas contained in Gaza and the useless Fatah presiding over their bantustans in the West Bank. In that sense Hamas was "useful" to Israel but I don't believe these theories that suggest Hamas is somehow a creation of Israel and it did the 10/7 attack because Israel is secretly pulling the strings behind Hamas, or Israel knew and let it happen. I don't believe those theories. I think it's a search for rationality and order where there isn't much of either as I can tell.
>>2517836There will be no ceasefire as long as Israel exists.
>>2517836Trump peace = a completion of the genocide
>>2517836Ceasefire doesn't stop genocide. The genocide has been happening since 1948. It's just been happening slower.
>>2517927So what happens now?
3 Qatari diplomats die in a car crash in Egypt.
>It's unclear if the diplomats were members of Qatar's negotiating team, which along with Egyptian officials in Sharm el-Sheikh helped deliver earlier this week an agreement between Israel and Hamas on the first phase of U.S. President Donald Trump's plan to end the war in Gaza.
>The Egyptian city is set to host on Monday a global summit aimed at finalizing an agreement. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/three-qatari-diplomats-killed-car-crash-egypts-sharm-el-sheikh-two-security-2025-10-11/>>2517935>So what happens now?In reality? Oslo 3 and total impunity for Israel/NATO
The express Gazaification of the West Bank and the expansion of the abraham accords or some other name for the same re-establishment of Zionist hegemony over MENA. Possibly rekindling war with Iran, as part of the Venezuela deal, during the window of maximum US control over OPEC and before election season.
In the narrative? Well, we get together hand on hand and sing Kumbaya with more irrelevant, liberal Zionist activism. While materially backing the implementation of the post-genocide settler colonialism, same as we did with the extermination part of the deed.
Until such time as Trump and Netanyahu run out of office terms. Then "we" "won" because "we" obtain some minimal concessions for the Palestinians moving the enforcing of the settler colonialism to local Zionist collaborators instead of appointing Tony Blair viceroy of Gaza.
>>2518306The NATO MSM has nearly completely forgotten the whole genocide thing and is digging up all the original genocide propaganda hasbara and re-validating it to give it the "transitory madness" treatment. "It was like our 9/11" and "Hamas wanted to kill all Jews and recorded themsleves raping 40 babies in a gas chamber oven with swastikas frfr" so on.
In less than a year everyone will have put this behind them and, documents signed and deals enforced, there will be no more need to mobilize people "for Palestine". Nor will the protests ever turn toward the socdems doing most of the genociding. Meloni is an open fascist and that is, like protesting Trump or Netanyahu specifically, open season to signal the liberal left character of the mobilization. Otherwise none of the Starmers the Merzs or the Bidens (or the Sanchez-s) will face any significant mobilization against them. Because it's their liberal party affiliated unions and NGOs currently mobilizing the protests.
>>2517836By now, it should be blatantly obvious that the left doesn't want Palestine to be "solved." Why? Because, whether the left will admit it or not, the conflict has use-value to them.
The left puts so much stake in Palestine for one very simple reason: Palestine is the sole global conflict whereby 99% of the left can agree on who is the victim and who is the villain. When it comes to other global conflicts such as Ukraine vs. Russia, Kurdistan, Kashmir, Tibet, Chechnya, Sudan, Yemen, Ethiopian vs. Somalia, Armenia vs. Azerbaijan, Christians vs. Muslims in Nigeria, the Uyghur issue, Taiwan, North vs. South Korea, whether or not Venezuela is socialist, or even the issue of Blacks in the US, the left is completely divided. Palestine is exceptional because it unites the left, hence why the left so rabidly prioritizes it, even above domestic issues in their own countries. Why? Because it's the only thing that makes the left "the left".
Now I'll say what I've been saying for well over a year now: the fatal flaw of the Palestine movement is that no one can coherently define what a "victory" means for Palestine and how western activists can go about achieving that victory. Does it mean something as simple as stopping the current Gaza bloodbath? Splendid! It's over (for now). Mission accomplished, right? Or does a "victory" mean a two-state solution in the '67 border like the vast majority of the world supports? Or does it mean a one-state solution with a secular and democratic system? Or, does it mean a full-blown apocalyptic decolonization scenario whereby the Palestinians manage to seize back all their lands from 1948 and remove every single Jew from between the river and the sea? Obviously, the last one is a complete and utter fantasy, but talk to many pro-Palestine activists and they will insist they will accept nothing less.
So where does that leave us? What do we need to do in order to accomplish that goal? How do western activists ensure 7 million Israeli Jews leave historic Palestine for good? We can't. We may claim to be principled and want a full and complete victory for Palestine using this understanding, but it just can't be done. We can boycott until we've reached the point of dumpster diving. We can divorce ourselves from elite institutions as much as possible. But how does that enable Palestine to have the capability of defeating Israel militarily? And that's the thing – leftists don't want Palestine to "win" because the longer this conflict continues the more use value it has to the left.
(14b) >>2518321Last one is ideal, second to last is acceptable, although most settlers will leave once their genocidal colonial ethnostate falls voluntarily, just like how it happened to the boers and the pied noirs
>>2518321>Palestine is the sole global conflict whereby 99% of the left can agree on who is the victim and who is the villain.Lolwat. This person has never been among Western 'leftist' circles, especially American and Western European, especially German ones.
>>2518326>Last one is ideal, second to last is acceptable, although most settlers will leave once their genocidal colonial ethnostate falls voluntarily, just like how it happened to the boers and the pied noirsAnd how do you plan on implementing that? Boycotts? Good, keep boycotting everything until you're relying on dumpsters for meals. Voting in pro-Palestine politicians? They always turn their backs on the Palestinians when they need the Jewish vote, don't they? Keep making TikToks exposing Israeli crimes? Okay, do that and see how well it works to change policy.
You keep fantasizing about the "ideal scenario" for Palestine when you couldn't even stop a genocide as it was happening. What use is it to put the cart before the horse, then bitch and moan when the cart doesn't work the way you fantasized about it working?
>>2518327The Anti-Deutsche people are a joke. Nearly everyone on the western left is staunchly anti-Zionist and has been for decades. Show me a single credible leftist who's pro-Israel.
>>2518326Are you basing your views on what actual Palestinians want or are you going off on your personal feels?
>>2518337The anti-Deutsch tendency is quite literally the most dominant and influential tendency in Germany right fucking now, shut up. Jesus.
>>2518340It's probably both.
You would think that after two years of full-blown genocide, anywhere from 65,000 to half a million Palestinians dead, and 80% of Gaza's buildings reduced to rubble that the Palestinians in Gaza would be happy to receive the smallest of crumbs. But that's not the case. They're not happy with the ceasefire. They wouldn't be happy with an arms embargo. They wouldn't be happy if Bibi and Ben-Gvir and their ilk were tried for genocide in the ICC. They won't be happy with a two-state solution on the 1967 border despite nearly the entire international community backing it. No. The worse and worse they suffer the more utopian and magical their demands become.
It's easy to see the sunk cost. They don't want their deaths and suffering to have been in vain. If the conflict were solved tomorrow and a two-state solution on the '67 border finally became a reality they would feel like all those Palestinian deaths were for nothing. Decades of struggle won them the bare minimum, and that's deeply shameful.
Which is also why there's such a impetus for western activists to make sacrifices. The more western activists lose their jobs and spots at university for standing up for Palestine, the more determined said activists will be to win, because they don't want their efforts to have been in vain. It's like collateral. Palestinians demand western activists sacrifice everything for the Palestinian cause so western activists will be more principled and stick with it longer. If I didn't sympathize with the Palestinian people so much I'd argue it's manipulative.
>>2518336If all of MENA alone (including Turkey and Iran) fully embargoed them things could change for a bit
>>2518361And what would have to happen for that to go through? If anything, most MENA countries are more likely to make peace with Israel under Trump's Abraham Accords than they are to embargo it
>>2518326> although most settlers will leave once their genocidal colonial ethnostate falls voluntarily, just like how it happened to the boers Afrikaners still control the vast majority of South Africa's farmland, idiot. Most of them stayed in SA post-apartheid and are still benefiting from apartheid.
>>2518354it's not about the palestinian people but about destroying zionism since zionism can't coexist with global socialism. it must be destroyed entirely.
>>2518372I dunno we could deport Germans to siberia and install the state of Israel there or something
>>2518367Hanging the shills from their own entrails in MENA, starting with that rat calling himself king in Morocco
>>2518372it cant even coexist with global capitalism, shits ticking
>>2518385However, virtually all of the major figures of global capitalism are devout zionists or willing collaborators.
>>2518372> it's not about the palestinian peopleThis is all I need to know.
You sick fucks will sacrifice the last Palestinian on earth if it means getting rid of Israel.
>>2518385And yet it’s been fairly successful. Remember, no one believed Israel would last 10 years when it was first created. Everyone said the Arab countries would simply kill the Jews and everything would be over. That didn’t work out so well.
“Israel will collapse without the U.S.” is a dubious statement at best.
>>2518321Retarded idealism
>>2518571>I am a superior person to the crudity because my my despicable vulgarity is hidden behind textual diarhea and implicationsThe Germans can be deported to the tundra
Your people get all their houses and possessions
Everybody is happy
Done
>>2517836the ceasefire will simply be used by israel to resupply and plan for the next phase in the genocide
>>2518326most boers did not leave. are you thinking of rhodesia?
most whites that left south africa were anglos who could move back to the uk or australia
>>2518585Also as a smokescreen for war with Iran.
>>2518354>the Palestinians in Gaza would be happy to receive the smallest of crumbs. But that's not the case. revealing your true colors here. making assumptions about what palestinians want and painting them as bloodthirsty savages.
should've stuck to projecting your selfishness on anon instead
I'm getting rumors that the Entity is going to continue the genocide after the release of its hostages
>>2518578How? Care to point out why I’m wrong?
>>2518592They themselves have said they don’t want to live side-by-side with Israelis and view anything short of a Fanon-tier mass decolonization (think Algeria) as an insult to them.
>>2518755Yes conduct a genocide and the people you do it to will take that attitude
Remember how nobody liked the Germany after WWII, guess what people who don't have a sentimental attitude towards Israel based on bronze age myths and superstions think of Israel right now
The Palestinians would probably calm down a bit if the Israeli's stopped being so incredibly racist and antisemitic and showed some real contrition and accountability
>>2518762Sure, but the point is, even if we wanted to achieve the goal of mass-deporting Israelis we have no means of doing it. So why present that as the only acceptable goal?
>>2517836>I thought we wanted the genocide to stop.The genocide will permanently stop if the illegal zionist colony dissolves. A ceasefire is a temporary stop to the mass killings of Palestinians. They will resume killing Palestinians again once zionists get what they want
>>2518770See, this is exactly what I’m talking about: the worse and worse the Palestinians suffer the more and more utopian their vision of decolonization becomes.
>>2518766Because starting with maximalist demands is a good opening for negotiating, and the middle east is volatile enough Israel's existence is nowhere near assured even if it succeeded in a total genocide
>>2518783Lots of assumptions there. How do activists in NYC and Toronto decide the politics of the entire MENA?
>>2518785Who said anything about college students
A lot more people than that are furious at Israel behind closed doors right now
I think it's
very unwise for Israeli's to take the attitude of Goliath here
>>2518788It’s still absolutely foolish to be demanding an Algeria scenario in Palestine. “Deport all Israelis” is as realistic as saying “I want full communism tomorrow”.
Hamas says it moves living Israeli captives to 3 handover locations
A Hamas source tells Al Jazeera the Palestinian group has moved the captives to locations in Gaza in preparation for their handovers.
The source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a Hamas delegation will meet the International Committee of the Red Cross tonight to agree on a mechanism for handing over the abductees, adding that the process will be carried out at three locations.
Hamas is in intensive contact with the mediating countries to refine the list of Palestinian prisoners to be released. Mediators are still working to reach a final prisoner list despite Israel’s rejection of several names, the source said.
18 police officers wounded at pro-Palestinian rally in Switzerland
Violent clashes at a pro-Palestinian rally in the Swiss capital of Bern this weekend left 18 law enforcement officers and two protesters injured and caused extensive property damage.
The unauthorised protest on Saturday afternoon drew more than 5,000 people including a large number clad in black and wearing masks who clashed with police and vandalised property.
“Law enforcement officers were also repeatedly attacked with dangerous objects” including construction equipment, furniture, rocks, bottles, fire extinguishers, fireworks and laser pointers, Bern police said in a statement.
Officers responded “with force” using water cannon, tear gas, rubber-coated bullets and police batons, it added.
The total amount of damage was expected to be “in the millions” of Swiss francs, police said. A total of 536 people were detained.
>>2518789That's the thing, unless Israel starts treating Palestinians as human beings, a lot of people wouldn't lift a finger to help and might even… if Israel did face an existential threat
The Palestinians attitude is a simple fact, and Twl Aviv is going to have to find a way to molify them, or…
>>2518798It’s still absurd to think the Palestinians hate the means to even take all of ‘48 Palestine back, much less mass-deport over 7 million Israeli Jews. The Arab countries have shown they don’t care given their reluctance to save Gaza in the past two years. So why demand that as the ultimate solution when you know it’s not anywhere near feasible? It happened in Algeria because Pied-Noirs were only a million and a half in population and clearly saw themselves as French. Now compare that to 7 million Israelis.
>>2518828Israel could genocide every living Palestinians and their pet puppies, and the issues I raise would not only continue but exactly because of this total slaughter would only increase
The Jews survived as a nation where so many others didn't over lesser periods because they were not tied to the land
The rabbis were wide to forbid the return
Please understand that I have sympathy towards your feelings towards a millennia ancient motherland and I'm not trying to win a debate here, I'm trying to warn you of consequences that can still be averted
>>2518893*wise
Boy do I love how autocorrect will let through so many spelling errors and then correct something that wasn't mispelled
>>2518893>sympathy for zionistsFuck off
>>2518321Biggest bullshit I’ve read all year.
>>2518893Plenty of other nations survived without leaving the land. Armenians? Kurds? Jews survived largely because they were smart and found ways to survive. Also, rabbis didn’t prohibit anyone to return to Palestine. Waves of Jews migrated there for centuries. Spanish Jews and Yemenite Jews were some of the first Zionists.
Stop learning Jewish history from Mondoweiss.
>>2518828I think a much better question is why Palestine activists believe the Palestinians can only have justice when the Jews are gone. They should show the works they have better morals and intentions than Israelis by agreeing to coexist without issue.
>>2518893> I'm trying to warn you of consequences that can still be avertedWhat consequences? No one can militarily defeat Israel. Unless China comes to the Palestinians’ rescue Israel will remain the dominant powerhouse in the MENA.
>>2518893Yeah I’m sure they would have all averted the Holocaust if they had been Bundists, right? Say, whatever happened to the Bund after the Holocaust?
>>2519188Turkey could
Even Iran in a 1x1
>>2519185More than 80% of ""israel""" deserves a gruesome and painful death, why would Palestinians accept amnesty and living alongside people who put then in an open air death camp and used their toddlers as target practice?
>>2519188I want the zionists to pay for their atrocities
Eventually all of "israel" will be engulfed by hellfire and trust me. Absolute majority of the world would either celebrate of feel they had it coming.
>>2519177A few survived in comparison to
how many nations that are now known only as a note in some histories?
Also don't blatantly lie when the Neturi kartei or whatever they called still exist as the most conservative orthodox tendency that obeys g-ds laws
>>2519222>>2519226Good thing you can’t expel 7 million people in today’s day and age.
FYI, the same goes for Zionists who want to expel 7 million Palestinians too. Both sides will have to coexist because that’s the only viable solution.
>>2519228Neturei Karta is less than 100 years old and they only exist because they didn’t want to pay taxes. Look it up. Their ideology is actually very modern as far as Jewish groups are concerned.
>>2519228Jews barely survived for most of their history. There were massacres and expulsions of Jews left and right for 2000 years in almost every place they went to. That’s why Zionism appeals to most of them.
>>2519237And they split because the orthodox changed their mind and innovated on what?
>>2519252They’re a fringe organization (NOT sect) of Litvish Jews. Not Hasidic. Not conventionally Orthodox. There are actually plenty of them who live in Israel in the more religious areas of Jerusalem, of all things.
>>2519253Stop humiliating yourself and start figuring out how to make amends to the Palestinians
>>2519264I’m not Israeli and I don’t live in Israel-Palestine so nothing I do matters.
>>2519278Well then try and understand that for many people who aren't involved in this mess and for whom Palestinians and Israeli's are equally human and equallx culturally alien, Israel's absolute right to exist died in their hearts over the last two years, and that right is now conditional on Israel's treatment of all the Palestinian survivors of the recent holocaust
A recap of recent developments
• Families in Israel and Palestine are awaiting the return of their loved ones, with Hamas expected to free some 20 Israeli captives in exchange for nearly 2,000 Palestinian prisoners in the coming hours.
• United States President Donald Trump said the war in Gaza was over as he flew to Israel, where he will address the Knesset before attending a Gaza peace summit in Egypt.
• Palestinians returning to northern Gaza say they are finding indescribable destruction and have no means to rebuild their lives.
• The United Nations has confirmed that some of its trucks carrying desperately needed humanitarian supplies are entering Gaza, as officials there warn that food, medicine and other essentials remain in critically short supply.
• Palestinian journalist Saleh Aljafarawi has been shot dead during a firefight between Hamas and members of the Doghmush in Gaza City, according to sources there.
• US Vice President JD Vance says that Washington will not be paying for the reconstruction of Gaza after Israel’s devastating two-year war, and that Gulf nations will mostly pick up the tab.
AFP: Hamas insists on releasing seven Palestinian leaders as part of the exchange deal
Agence France-Presse quoted a source familiar with the ongoing negotiations in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, as saying that Hamas has completed preparations to hand over the remaining Israeli prisoners as part of the anticipated exchange.
The agency also reported, citing the source, that Hamas insists that the deal include the release of seven prominent Palestinian leaders imprisoned in Israeli prisons, including Marwan Barghouti, Ahmed Saadat, Ibrahim Hamed, Abbas al-Sayed, and others.
The Israeli government announced earlier today, Sunday, that the prisoner exchange process will begin tomorrow morning, Monday , at 6:00 AM. The occupation will release Palestinian prisoners immediately after all living Israeli prisoners are released at once, according to an announcement by the Israeli government spokeswoman.
It's worth noting that Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, is expected to host an international summit tomorrow, Monday, to finalize the agreement.
>>2519431Literally who thought that Hamas was going to beat the IDF in open combat? You're such a retard.
>>2519431<time to shit the thread up with whining about shit nobody saidCan you please just fuck off somewhere else fam.
>>2519432Not now, but you all remember the early threads where everyone was insistent that Israel was going to collapse
(14b) >>2519437I remember, idealist imbeciles think that the "good" guys must win and "evil" will inevitably be defeated. Why read military history/strategy when you can just get all the theory you need from marvel slop.
(14b) >>2519437Most commentators really don't know what it takes to cause state collapse.
>>2519431>Leftists desperately(and I mean desperately) need to read military theory. 90% of Twitter and 70% of the people here were convinced that Israel was a paper tiger, and that the resolve and zeal of the Palestinians would defeat the professional army.Maybe a bit. The IDF struggled a lot in Gaza and has not been able to decisively defeat Hamas. I think the main thing is that a lot of leftists held to an incorrect assessment of what was happening in Israeli society and underestimated Israeli willingness to take casualties. They've taken a lot when you add the wounded (which is pretty high and we don't have clear numbers on it).
Israel ‘did not achieve its war goals through military means’
On Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel couldn’t have achieved its victory without its military achievements inside Gaza. He was essentially touting the term “absolute victory” that he’s been talking about for the last two years.
And on the same day, Netanyahu’s military chief of staff said that the Israeli forces are declaring victory over Hamas in Gaza.
But it’s worth mentioning that Israel has not achieved any of its goals or objectives that they laid out for the war through military means, but rather through ceasefire agreements and negotiations.
And on the eve of the release of Israeli captives from Gaza, family members say they feel immense joy, but still a sense of cautious optimism, saying that until their loved ones are back home, they are not going to feel that sense of relief.
Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump is set to travel to Israel on Monday.
He’s arriving around 9:30am local time (06:30 GMT). He will then address the Israeli parliament before leaving and heading to Sharm el-Sheikh for a summit with leaders and officials from more than 20 countries.
Hope, scepticism in Gaza City as truce continues to hold
We’ve been speaking to Palestinians returning to northern Gaza about the prospects of an end to Israel’s war.
There was hope, but also scepticism.
“There are positive indicators, and we hope I am one of the people that was displaced from the south. I have returned, and we are very optimistic,” one man said.
Another said that true peace requires the establishment of a Palestinian state.
“I don’t think the war will be back in full. But talking about peace… what peace? If there isn’t just peace and the establishment of a Palestinian state, there will not be any peace,” he told Al Jazeera.
“Trump’s deal does not include a Palestinian state. The peace that Trump is calling for is the peace of normalisation and the Abraham Accords. I don’t think there will be true peace.”
>>2519508Why would they know hours before we know?
>>2519504As long as Israel is occupying Lebanon and Syria it's hard to see this as anything other than a temporary lull in hostilities. Imo they're just giving up on Gaza for now to get some breathing room before resuming their fight with Iran.
When will the captives, prisoner exchange take place?
As we’ve been reporting, families in Israel and Palestine are awaiting the return of their loved ones from Gaza and Israeli jails, respectively.
The exchange will take place in the coming hours, ahead of a midday (09:00 GMT) deadline under the terms of the ceasefire agreement proposed by Trump.
A spokesman for Netanyahu’s office told the AFP news agency that Israel expects all 20 surviving captives to be released to the Red Cross in Gaza early in the morning.
Israel’s YNet News reported that military officials expect the release to take place between 8am and 10am local time (05:00 – 07:00 GMT), possibly at one of three handover points in south, central and northern Gaza.
It said families of the captives have been told to arrive at the Re’im base in southern Israel at 07:30am local time (04:30 GMT), where the captives will undergo an initial medical evaluation following their release.
The AFP, citing Netanyahu’s spokesperson, said the nearly 2,000 Palestinian detainees and prisoners would be “released once Israel has confirmation that all of our hostages set to be released […] are across the border into Israel”.
Hamas is also expected to handover the remains of dozens of captives who died during and after the attacks of October 7, 2023, and YNet reports that the move will take place today, too. But the outlet said the handover could take several days to complete.
Israel revises list of Palestinian prisoners slated for release: Report
Israel’s Haaretz is reporting that Israeli ministers have approved several changes to the list of Palestinian prisoners who are set to be released as part of the ceasefire deal.
The changes include the removal of a Palestinian who had been previously released and the addition of two others “who are not serving life sentences and are affiliated with Hamas”, the news outlet reported.
It said that seven minors were taken off the list and two women were added.
Overall, 1,718 Palestinian prisoners will be released instead of the previously agreed-upon 1,722, Haaretz added.
The report came as Israeli authorities warned Palestinians in the occupied West Bank against celebrating the release of their loved ones.
Hamas has meanwhile demanded the release of prominent Palestinian Marwan Barghouti, but it’s unclear if Israel will free him.
Palestinian media: Final lists of prisoners submitted by the resistance as part of the exchange deal approved after complex negotiations.
We're still not clearer on this. Few hours to go.
‘Fluid situation’ as Israel makes changes to list of Palestinian prisoners
There are some interesting reports coming out of the Israeli media about last-minute changes following demands by Hamas for an adjustment of the list of prisoners that they want to see released.
According to these reports, Hamas told Israel that two of the names on the list were ineligible because they are not Hamas members, and because one has already been released.
We understand that there have also been minor changes to the list of people from Gaza, who have been detained since October 7, 2023, including the removal of seven minors from the list, while adding two women and replacing some of that group with others from the same category.
It is all very complicated and very fluid.
Palestinian media are also reporting that Hamas is pushing for the inclusion of a man called Dr Hussam Abu Safia, a paediatrician from northern Gaza and the director of Kamal Adwan Hospital, which came under repeated siege over the course of the war.
Dr Abu Safia was right at the forefront of publicising that siege, posting on social media, Instagram in particular, and showing what he had described as the atrocities that the Israeli forces were committing against medical facilities.
His son was killed in an Israeli attack in October of last year, and he was arrested a couple of months later. He is popular among Palestinians, and it remains to be seen whether he will be released.
>>2519185that's just being suckers
>>2519232>Good thing you can’t expel 7 million people in today’s day and age. you can in fact expel millions of people
iran and pakistan have done it with afghans
>>2519521>Overall, 1,718 Palestinian prisoners will be released instead of the previously agreed-upon 1,722Israel is already breaking the agreed terms lmfao
First batch of zioscum prisoners is in the hands of red cross now.
>>2519721The man was murdered by reactionaries.
Go back wherever you came from, 'ebin based memelord' antisocial /pol/ack freak.
Hamas armed wing reaffirms commitment to ceasefire agreement
The armed-wing of Hamas has released a statement regarding the captive-prisoner exchange happening today.
Here are there translated comments:
>• We declare our commitment to the agreement reached and the timetables associated with it, as long as the [Israelo] occupation adheres to them.
<• The agreement reached is the result of the steadfastness of our people and the resilience of its resistance fighters.
>• The resistance was keen to stop the war of extermination, but the enemy thwarted all efforts.
<• The enemy failed to recover its prisoners through military pressure, despite its superior intelligence and surplus force.
>• The enemy submits and recovers its prisoners through an exchange deal, as the resistance promised from the beginning.
>Arab states deepened military ties with Israel while denouncing Gaza war, leak reveals
>Even as key Arab states condemned the war in the Gaza Strip, they quietly expanded security cooperation with the Israeli military, leaked U.S. documents reveal. Those military ties were thrown into crisis after Israel’s September airstrike in Qatar, but could now play a key role in overseeing the nascent ceasefire in Gaza.
>Over the past three years, facilitated by the United States, senior military officials from Israel and six Arab countries came together for a series of planning meetings in Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, and Qatar.
>Israel and Hamas agreed on Wednesday to the first phase of a peace framework that would result in the release of all the hostages held by Hamas and a partial Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. U.S. officials announced on Thursday that 200 U.S. troops would be deployed to Israel to provide support to the ceasefire agreement, and would be joined by soldiers from several of the Arab countries that participated in this long-standing security cooperation.
>Even before that announcement, the Arab countries involved in this security collaboration had all signaled their support for Trump’s 20-point plan to end the Gaza war. The plan calls for Arab states to participate in the deployment of an international force to Gaza that would train a new Palestinian police force in the region. In a joint statement, five of the six Arab countries said that they supported the establishment of a mechanism that “guarantees the security of all sides,” but they have stopped short of publicly committing to deploy military forces.
>Qatar, whose capital was struck on Sept. 9 by Israeli missiles targeting Hamas leaders, was one of the countries that had quietly strengthened ties with the Israeli military. In May 2024, the documents show, senior Israeli and Arab military officials convened at Al Udeid Air Base, a major U.S. military facility in Qatar. A planning document for the event, written two days before it was to begin, shows that the Israeli delegation was scheduled to fly directly to the airbase, circumventing Qatar’s civilian points of entry that could have risked public exposure.
>Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu apologized to Qatar on Sept. 29 for the strike, after prompting from the Trump administration, and pledged not to conduct such attacks in the future.
>The documents show that the threat posed by Iran was the driving force behind the closer ties, which have been fostered by the U.S. military’s Central Command, known as CENTCOM. One document describes Iran and its allied militias as the “Axis of Evil,” and another includes a map with missiles superimposed over Gaza and Yemen, where Iranian allies hold power.
>Five CENTCOM PowerPoint presentations, obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and reviewed by The Washington Post, detail the creation of what the U.S. military describes as the “Regional Security Construct.” In addition to Israel and Qatar, the construct includes Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The documents refer to Kuwait and Oman as “potential partners” that were briefed on all meetings.
>The presentations are marked unclassified and were distributed to the construct’s partners, and in some cases also to the “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Britain, and the United States. They were written between 2022 and 2025, before and after the launch of Israel’s war in Gaza in October 2023.
>ICIJ and The Washington Post verified the authenticity of the documents by cross-checking key details against official Defense Department records, archived military documents, and other open sources. The dates and locations of publicly announced military exercises and meetings matched official U.S. military releases, and the names, ranks, and positions of U.S. and foreign military officials aligned with public records.
>CENTCOM officials declined to comment on this article. Israel and the six Arab countries that are part of the construct did not respond to requests for comment.
>One meeting in particular, in January 2025 at Fort Campbell Army base, roughly an hour’s drive from Nashville, Tenn., included sessions where U.S. forces trained partners on how to detect and neutralize threats posed by subterranean tunnels — a key tool used by Hamas against the Israeli military in the Gaza Strip. Another document describes partners from six countries participating in a training to destroy underground tunnels but did not name the countries.
>CENTCOM personnel also led planning meetings to launch information operations to counter Iran’s narrative that it is the regional protector of Palestinians, and, according to a 2025 document, to “propagate [a] partner narrative of regional prosperity and cooperation.”
>Even as security cooperation with Israel expanded behind closed doors, Arab leaders denounced its war in Gaza. The leaders of Egypt, Jordan, Qatar and Saudi Arabia said the Israeli campaign amounted to a genocide. Qatar’s leaders have issued some of the most scathing condemnations: At the U.N. General Assembly in September, the Qatari emir called the conflict “a genocidal war waged against the Palestinian people” and accused Israel of being “a state hostile to its environment, complicit in building an apartheid system.” The Saudi Foreign Ministry condemned Israel in August for what it described as the “starvation” and “ethnic cleansing” of Palestinians.
>In a nod to political sensitivities, the documents state that the partnership “does not form a new alliance” and that all meetings would be “held in confidence.”
>Emile Hokayem, director of regional security at the International Institute for Strategic Studies think tank, said the United States has long hoped that military cooperation would bring about political normalization between Israel and the Arab states. However, while quietly working with the countries’ military leaders may dodge thorny political discussions, this approach also “obscures or hides the reality” of the tensions between the parties, he said.
>Those tensions, Hokayem said, were now on full display after the Israeli strike in Qatar. “A key member of the American effort has attacked another, with America seen as complacent, complicit or blind,” he said. “The resulting distrust will mar American efforts for years to come.”
>A quiet partnership
>U.S. military officials have publicly acknowledged the existence of the Regional Security Construct but not spoken about the extent of Israeli-Arab cooperation in those efforts. In 2022, Gen. Kenneth “Frank” McKenzie, then CENTCOM’s commander, described the partnership in congressional testimony as an effort “building on [the] momentum of the Abraham Accords,” the agreement establishing diplomatic ties between Israel and Morocco, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.
>The documents show how the centerpiece of the construct, an air-defense plan to combat Iran’s missiles and drones, moved from theory to reality over the past three years. Israel and the Arab countries signed on to this plan at a 2022 security conference, agreeing to coordinate military exercises and procure the equipment to make it possible. By 2024, CENTCOM successfully linked many of the partner states to its systems, according to the leaked documents, allowing them to provide radar and sensor data to the U.S. military and, in turn, view the combined data of the partners
>A briefing document stated that six of the seven partner nations were receiving a partial air picture of the region through Defense Department systems, and that two countries were sharing their own radar data through a U.S. Air Force squadron. Partner nations were also being onboarded to a U.S.-run secure chat system so that they could communicate with each other and the U.S. military.
>The air-defense system, however, did nothing to protect Qatar against Israel’s Sept. 9 strike on its capital. U.S. satellite and radar systems did not provide an early warning of the strike, U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Derek France told reporters, because those systems “are typically focused on Iran and other [areas] where we expect an attack to come from.” Qatar said that its radar systems also failed to detect the missile launches by Israeli fighter jets.
>While Qatar and Saudi Arabia do not have formal diplomatic relationships with Israel, the CENTCOM documents show the important behind-the-scenes role that both powerful Gulf states played in this nascent partnership.
>The May 2024 security conference at Al Udeid Air Base underscored the increased cooperations, with Israeli officials holding bilateral discussions with representatives from each of the attending Arab countries.
Did Hamas at least kill and maim a bunch of the Zionist fucks?
Great days for the State of Israel, the Abraham Accords will expand faster than people expect," - Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law
>Said in response to Indonesian president possibly attending conference alongside Pakistan and Iraq and Israel.
Looks like it's over lads. These comprador fucks were champing at the bit to be given any chance to legitimise their Israeli masters.
So is it over for Hamas now? I saw multiple headlines that they're no longer going to be in power after all this? Which, unless I'm wrong, would be basically the end for them as a political movement. I guess it was always going this direction
>>2519813can't they just re-form under a different name?
>>2519813No.
There has been no agreement on their end to disarm, and any ceding of
political power would require that "Israel"/the US actually uphold their end of the bargain. There is zero chance of that occurring, and sieges are still ongoing in Jenin and other parts of the West Bank.
The only thing which will make "Israel" keep their end of the bargain is a definitive defeat of the "Israeli" state. The US has been backing "Israel" fully for 2 years while it carried out the most horrible campaign of mass slaughter of this century, and Trump was already in the habit of paying lip service to the anti-genocide crowd even in 2024, yet he continued the programme of the Biden administration unquestioningly in practice. Zionist oligarchs have consolidated greater media control, the US military and paramilitaries have been sent to various cities to work on mass suppression, and the US congress (as well as the political and corporate states of the UK and most of the EU) remains in the pocket of Zionists and war profiteers. There has been no turn, and so the ceasefire will not be unimpeded.
>>2519915and uyghas here still think israel won in gaza
>>2519915the redditor says the perpetrator was 21 but the wiki says they were 24 hmmm
>>2519918Not sure how the IOF releasing a lone wolf from occupied territory who fired into traffic a year after
Operation Protective Edge demonstrates anything one way or another.
Mahmoud Issa and Adham Kamamji might be significant though.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1977133869053743353 >>2519894The
REAL Nobel Prize winner there. Says capitulate and cede your soveriegnty to me or I nuke you.
>>2519932Wait a minute I know that guy.
Weird.
>>2519936Interesting find.
>>2519932american jewish billionaires vs Israeli jewish billionaires, when interests collide who comes out on top
>>2519943I bet he thinks his a big manly mensch.
Palestinians held in Israeli jails ‘tortured multiple times a day’
A recently released detainee has condemned Israeli jails as “prisons of injustice”.
He told Al Jazeera correspondent Tariq Abu Azzoum that most of the Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails are tortured more than once a day.
Inmates were fired at by Israeli troops with rubber-coated bullets and because of that he had “deep wounds around his private parts and back”. Many detainees were also electrocuted, he added.
“We were detained in a slaughterhouse.”
Speaking at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis in southern Gaza after being freed, he said the Palestinians of Gaza remain “brave and steadfast”.
“We have sacrificed a lot but our sacrifices are too little compared to others,” the man said.
He thanked “God, the Palestinian people, and the resistance fighters in Gaza” for securing his release.
https://x.com/SuppressedNws1/status/1977728837216571853⚡️🇪🇬BREAKING:
Explosion reported behind the Future City of the Armed Forces on the Cairo–Ismailia road. The sound was heard across all of eastern Cairo.
Imagine being a U$ puppet and then get betrayed at the first glance
Lmao
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/13/hamas-deploys-armed-fighters-and-police-across-parts-of-gaza>Images showed dozens of Hamas fighters at a hospital in southern Gaza during the release of Israeli hostages on Monday morning and there were reports of shootings and executions elsewhere in the territory. Telegram channels associated with Hamas said “collaborators and traitors” had been targeted, a reference to Israel-backed militia in the territory, while Hamas gunmen also engaged in bloody clashes with a powerful local family in Gaza City over the weekend.The Don declares that it is fine
>“They do want to stop the problems and they’ve been open about it, and we gave them approval for a period of time … You have close to 2 million people going back to buildings that have been demolished, and a lot of bad things can happen. So we want it to be – we want it to be safe. I think it’s going to be fine. Who knows for sure,” Trump said.>>2520001Apparently a nothingburger. Some kind of construction drilling and blasting.
>>2520023I wonder what they thought was going to happen.
>>2520040probably thought they could get bailed out and escape to israel. Apparently there was debate over this between shin bet vs IDF military intelligence. the former wanted to evacuate them but the latter said no. during the 2000 withdrawal from southern lebanon. apparently the IDF pulled out quickly, abandoning their facist SLA allies without telling them what was going on.
>Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak was criticized in Israel by the Jewish settler movement on the grounds that his decision to withdraw without consulting his SLA allies led to the speed and confusion of its collapse. Among them is Mahmoud Al-Arada.. 154 prisoners arrive in Egypt after gaining their freedom.
The Prisoners' Information Office announced the arrival of 154 Palestinian prisoners released under the prisoner exchange deal to Egypt. This comes in implementation of the decision to deport them, including Mahmoud al-Arada, the commander of the "Freedom Tunnel" operation (liberated from Gilboa Prison in 2021).
Under the exchange deal, 250 Palestinian prisoners were released today, including those serving long sentences and life sentences, in addition to 1,718 prisoners from the Gaza Strip who were arrested by the occupation during the war.
Huge crowds of people welcomed the released prisoners in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
In return, the Palestinian resistance released 20 living Israeli prisoners, and the remains of dead prisoners will continue to be handed over, in accordance with the first phase of the ceasefire agreement.
Does anyone trust that the Entity won't restart the genocide after all this?
>>2520095absolutely not, but there is no "trust" in geopol. the difference this time is the international pressure
>>2519755why has there never been an islamist attack against the gulf states in the last 25 years?
>>2520111>international pressureGreat reason to make this look as convincing as possible to deflate the international movement, consolidate even greater control of the media, increase suppressive police power, and prepare for the next escalation.
>>2520172>While he has expressed support for “armed resistance” against “the Israeli occupation” in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip, he has also backed a two-state solution based on the pre-1967 bordersThis is more conservative than the Hamas position circa September 2023.
>>2520146Eurovision Song Contest organiser calls off Israel voteEurovision Song Contest organisers will no longer vote on Israel’s participation in the competition following Middle East “developments”, the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) says.
Eurovision has faced controversy linked to Israel’s war on Gaza, and several countries pledged to withdraw from the event if Israeli contestants took part.
“The Board agreed to put the issue on the agenda of its ordinary Winter General Assembly, which will be taking place in December,” instead of the extraordinary meeting that had been slated to take place online in November, an EBU statement said.
https://aje.io/b5n8jo?update=4033338If it hadn't been for the past 2 years of context, this level of cynicism would be truly astonishing.
>>2519918Are you really doing this? a few personal tragedies don't effect Israel's geopolitical aims, they won this war
>>2519915Warms my heart that the perpetrators of the war crime of settlement in occupied territories got their due justice, and that the righteous executioner is able to serve the court of justice again.
>>2520785No they didn't? What's up with posts like this? I suspect you are the same kind of person saying "Israel will complete its genocide."
Israel must be incredibly unhappy with this outcome. They did *not* achieve their aims. Their relationship to the US, its most important relationship, has changed in a way that it would be absolutely impossible to believe could occur just a few years ago. I've never in my life imagined Israel would be in this position. Their soldiers are going to be getting prosecuted for war crimes every time they leave Europe.
>>2520797US public opinion will force the admin to stop arming Israel in two more weeks.
>>2520799The US has just forced Israel to stop conducting the war. You realize that, right? It was forced now to end it's operations without achieving its aims. If it were up to the IOF, they would just kill everyone until they reached the sea.
It has put itself into a position where Israel can *only* as a supremacist state. And now, they must now conduct an even greater war in the future in a hostile, rather than extraordinarily friendly, geopoltically environment. This was like Cast Lead on a scale of absolutely everyone in the world witnessing it, instead of just politically aware people. It's so bad, I don't think it's hit yet just how bad this is for them. They think they can take a reprieve. They don't understand what's going to happen with Gaza now.
>>2520398This has been known for a while, he's against the resistance. Still a decent war photographer, but very disappointing regardless
>>2520806any notion that the entity can be reasoned with must surely have gone out the window
>>2520797> I suspect you are the same kind of person saying "Israel will complete its genocide."No, they are capable of it, but right now it's too disadvantageous. More importantly they've ended the Assadist regime in Syria, crippled Hezbollah, and still have the guarantee that the real Arab powers in the Middle East won't interfere with them, it's not all their aims met, but it's a victory
>>2520797>They did *not* achieve their aimsTrue and Hamas has also rejected the full "peace plan" meaning they can just organize and rearm themselves again
>>2520841>No, they are capable of it, but right now it's too disadvantageous. No they are not capable of it. Otherwise, they would do it. They were forced into a military withdrawal and a prisoner exchange. This is likely a direct consequence of bombing Qatar.
>>2520852>This is likely a direct consequence of bombing Qatar.It is so darkly funny to me that that we are going this this
"if Israel wanted to genocide the Palestinians there would be no one alive" and "Qatar is an adversary of Zionism (and every 'Jews own the X' trope but repurposed for Muslims)" hasbara. As if Qatar wasn't a steadfast US/NATO ally and supported Zionism(as an extensio of US policy for MENA) in all forms except propaganda.
But repurposed to launder the Trump plan and cushioned with standpoint epistemology about Hamas and other resistance groups wording their surrender in language less than fully supportive of the Zionist enemy. As if they could do anything else.
Yeah guys, that's totally it. Hamas played the Zionists into signing a totally great agreement that doesn't include the occupation of Gaza. it says it right there! Winners!
NOThis is just PR under the knowledge that Zionism wants nothing less than the full elimination of Palestinians by any means necessary. And that Israel has not and will not adhere to anything it writes anyway. So may as well pre-empt the continuation of armed resistance since the Zionists aren't gonna stop, regardless of what anyone puts in writing or who co-signs it.
And that last part really is the crux of the issue here. The entire fucking world has watched in complete inaction while Israel/NATO kills what's probably half of the population of Gaza. Let's say…
ONE MILLION PEOPLE after the dust settles and all the indirect/delayed deaths are accounted for.
Without accounting for the horrible conditions imposed on those who aren't yet dead, driven to privation and regular massacres which would soon follow.
What are the Palestinian resistance supposed to do here? Wage a guerilla war while the entire
population credibly gets exterminated to a man? The entire world has proven
they would do nothing and let it happen.
No. Hamas will have to concede because the cucks currently soyfacing about the flotillas have done fuck all to stop the genocide during the two years of mostly silence, within NATO. And because the rest of the world which would consider opposing NATO, namely China and it's sphere of influence, would rather have this outcome and trade in blood soaked diplomacy than risk a more direct confrontation what could affect their trade negatively. As we saw with China/Russia yanking on Iran's chain precisely at the point where Iranian missiles were pounding Israel with impunity and NATO could not for their life do anything about it, but threaten to intervene more directly.
TLDR: You aren't nearly angry enough at the "multipolar"(I am no "anti-campist" either) state of affairs and these
dogshit narratives that you subscribe to, are liberal Zionist feel-good slop. Even if you just follow them to keep up morale or uphold the pro-Palestinian line.
>>2520797>Their relationship to the US, its most important relationship, has changed in a way that it would be absolutely impossible to believe could occur just a few years ago.Their relationship with the American
state is completely stable. In fact, they're compensating by buying up more media companies and suppressing dissent with an increasingly tyrannical Us police state. They are historically
unpopular in the US, but they are rapidly adjusting to make that even less relevant than it already is - the U.S. is more of a zionist oligarchy than it ever has been before. I think this is a really important distinction - if all the workers of America do is
be right about the bad thing then that's not actually any kind of victory, and it will change very little. Action needs to be taken - for the bare minimum, the people of the U.S. could look to the Italian dockworkers as a model. Besides that, Palestine Action needed to escalate, and has failed at this even more in the U.S. than in the U.K. - I'm not even going to speculate about what's currently going on with the equivalent organization in the U.S.
>>2520806>The US has just forced Israel to stop conducting the war.Not that anon, but I don't entirely believe this is the case. Mileikowsky basically got to re-write the agreement after it was run by Arab comprador states. At any time in the past two years, the US could have forced "Israel" to stop without allowing "Israel" to set the terms.
"Israel" is already violating even the existing terms - at least 9 were killed in Gaza by the IOF today, and UNRWA is apparently
still being blocked from entry. Meanwhile, the IOF continues to attack the West Bank. If "Israel" reintensifies in Gaza, the U.S. will not stop them.
Also, Mileikowsky may not have wanted this ceasefire, but there were reportedly elements in the IOF who were very tired of the Gaza City operations. At best, it seems like the U.S. position is dependent on what positions are acceptable
within the leadership of the "Israeli" state itself. This is all after Gaza has been pretty much completely destroyed - it would be likely that there would be people dying there
for months or years because of this even if the fighting and occupation and siege stopped entirely.
>>2520841>the real Arab powers in the Middle East won't interfere with themYemen is the only real Arab power in the middle east tbh. If the "power" of Qatar and Egypt necessitates allowing "Israel" to bomb them and control their borders without any kind of retaliation, then they don't have real power, sorry. Without self-determination, there is no power - Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Egypt are U.S. client states with varying degrees of ability to criticize their masters, their power is illusory. Yemen, as the poorest nation in the region, is the only one which was actually able to take a strong position, and is probably the only one which could take the kind of blows it did without collapsing.
If Sinwar and Deif were alive, how do you think they would judge the results of their operation? I've heard people refer to Sinwar as an accelerationist who basically thought lighting the entire middle east on fire is necessary for Palestine to be liberated. Did he get what he wanted?
>>2521030I think I remember one of the reason for Oct 7 being the fear of Palestine being forgotten and Israel normalizing relations with the gulf states (though I might be wrong), so I think in that regard it has been a massive success even revealing to people in the west the bestial nature of Israel. The genocide is of course horrible but Hamas isn't to blame for that.
>>2520797>Israel must be incredibly unhappy with this outcome. They did *not* achieve their aims.I don't know what the Israeli government thinks, but there are some Zionist ultras (Laura Loomer etc.) who are unhappy for sure. They think any reigning in of Israel by the U.S. is unacceptable. There's a bunch of these weird X: Blaze Your Glory accounts with names like "Israel War Room" or some guy with a furry avatar posting nonsense about Hamas allegedly squelching on the ceasefire because they haven't returned every dead Israeli buried in Gaza (yet) but THEY'RE the ones who want to derail it. But those people are total zombies at this point and can be disregarded.
>Their relationship to the US, its most important relationship, has changed in a way that it would be absolutely impossible to believe could occur just a few years ago.I don't concur, and I think it's a return to the status quo more than anything. It's the "hugging Bibi" routine where a president shows up and "hugs" Israel "so they don't do anything too crazy" but don't feel left out in the cold. Okay, Biden didn't actually restrain Israel at all because he was useless but this good-cop/bad-cop routine is the general idea.
>>2520806>The US has just forced Israel to stop conducting the war. You realize that, right? It was forced now to end it's operations without achieving its aims.Again, nothing new here. If you read Israeli military commentary, it's a theme with them that Israel is always on a ticking clock with the U.S. and it's only a matter of time before the Americans stop them. They were given a very long, two-year leash this time around, but that is what happened during the 1967 war (in which the Israelis stalled for time for about a day as the U.S. pushed for a ceasefire). It happened in 1973 when the Israelis attacked across the Suez Canal and Kissinger (apparently) demanded they stop (fear of Soviet intervention to back up the Arabs played a part in that too I think). It happened during the siege of Beirut in the 1980s and every war with Hezbollah and Hamas in the past 20 years which usually didn't last for longer than a few weeks.
There's a game being played here but Trump's (reported) anger at Bibi's (failed) strike on Hamas negotatiors in Qatar might have been genuine too.
>>2521030The short answer is that it's too soon to say.
The long answer is that the powers which subjugate Palestine and commit genocide there, and which subjugate Lebanon, Syria, Libya, and Iraq for the sake of uninterrupted genocide… also run the U.S., U.K., and EU. People in these places will find that allowing things to continue this way is not in their interests - "Israel" is a testing ground for, and global backer of, tyrannical state repression, destructive psyops, surveillance, and all kinds of nasty things like that… in addition to being a massive recipient of free stuff, an especially heinous situation for the U.S. which lacks public healthcare, welfare, & higher education. Trying to formulate what is going on as a distant spectacle is the wrong approach, because what we've witnessed is a result of global ethnosupremacist hegemony, and its impacts are felt even in the "first world."
In America, ICE abducts students off the street for "wrong think" about Palestine, the government intervenes to give TikTok to Larry Ellison, states suppress boycotts and education about Palestine, students are defamed and mass-arrested for opposing genocide. This is the tip of the iceberg in the U.S.
In the UK, grannies with signs are arrested for ""terrorism"" for holding placards saying they oppose genocide and support a group which periodically spraypaints weapons of war with discouraging messages. In Germany, protesters are battered by police, and large numbers
of Jews are arrested, and have their assets seized by the German state for "anti-semitism" because they criticized the Zionist Entity.
If this is where it ends, then it isn't the fault of Yahya Sinwar. It's
our fault for not intervening effectively to stop this tyranny even to save ourselves. By all means, this should be a tenuous situation - if we allow it to continue, then that is
our failing. We are in an era of mask off Fascism (or "neoliberalism" or Zionist Imperialism or whatever you want to call it), and it necessitates things which are not easy or pleasant in response. There is little evidence that things will not continue to intensify again in western Asia, and the liberation of the "west" will be of great benefit to the middle east.
>>2521026>Also, Mileikowsky may not have wanted this ceasefire, but there were reportedly elements in the IOF who were very tired of the Gaza City operations. I think this is probably true. A lot of reports recently (including from the Israeli side) that the army was getting exhausted. I mean flat-out physically tired. It's a largely reservist force, and every time they launched a new invasion of a different part of Gaza, they'd call up thousands of reservists, so many of them were on their fourth, five, or sixth call-up in the past two years. They'd go into Gaza for a few weeks then come back out, then get called up again. It screwed up a lot of lives and contributed to failed businesses and the economy taking a dump. It messes up families. Basic things like which partner is going to drop the kids off at school when they both work and dad is off in Gaza again, it was just more and more debilitating as it went on.
>>2521254Rofl. Isn't he surrounded by zionists? why does he say this stuff?
>>2521026>Also, Mileikowsky may not have wanted this ceasefire, but there were reportedly elements in the IOF who were very tired of the Gaza City operations.Dude, arch-genocider Yoav Gallant got fired a whole year ago because even back then he thought that they had slaughtered enough Gazans and rendered the area uninhabitable enough. That was one of two persons with arrest warrants from the ICC for genocide saying, literally a year ago, that the results were already satisfactory for their Zionist goals.
>>2521254sparks flying like that doesn't look safe for the shooters or bystanders. better to have a bullet catch behind like a berm and just shoot them from straight ahead
>>2521780they even have a page where they say there's a good chance of a genocide committed in gaza by israeli military authorities too
>>2521791even better, they call it a genocide right in the title:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocideWP is still shit on anything related to gommunism
>>2521780>>2521999A lot of the most Hasbarized Wiki pages are ones with relatively less persistent attention. It's pretty insidious. They don't let up trying to delete information about their crimes
ever, or to reframe articles in misleading ways, and so what you see is a lot of successes seeping in on less high profile articles where they are less likely to be challenged. I won't list them, but you can find what I'm talking about pretty easily if you know enough about the past 2 years of "Israeli" activity.
>>2521999https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide_denial>In a paper analyzing the subject, political scientist Omar Shahabudin McDoom identified ten techniques of denial:>McDoom>>2522093the pro-NATO compact is strong with any article pertaining to eastern Europe, especially the USSR, so Israel doing its thing on a bunch of overlooked articles doesn't surprise me
>>2522093It's a lost cause honestly. I have tried to delete MEMRI as a source from pages and have had jannies threaten to ban me.
can i post this here since there no /mideast/ general?
Boss of degrading sex-trade ring in Dubai's glamour districts unmasked by BBCCharles Mwesigwa, who says he is a former London bus driver, told our undercover reporter he could provide women for a sex party at a starting price of $1,000 (£740), adding that many can do "pretty much everything" clients want them to.
Rumours of wild sex parties in the UAE emirate have circulated for years. The hashtag #Dubaiportapotty, which has been viewed more than 450 million times on TikTok, links to parodies and speculative exposés of women accused of being money-hungry influencers secretly funding their lifestyles by fulfilling the most excessive of sexual requests.
Our BBC World Service investigation was told the reality is even darker.
Young Ugandan women told us they had not expected to have to undertake sex work for Mr Mwesigwa. In some cases, they believed they were travelling to the UAE to work in places like supermarkets or hotels.
At least one of Mr Mwesigwa's clients regularly asks to defecate on the women, according to "Mia", whose name we have changed to protect her identity, and who says she was trapped by Mr Mwesigwa's network.
We have also discovered that two women linked to Mr Mwesigwa have died, having fallen from high-rise apartments. Although their deaths were ruled as suicides, their friends and family feel the police should have investigated further.
Mia told us that clients were mostly white Europeans, and included men with extreme fetishes.
"There's this one client, he poops on girls. He poops and he tells them to eat the shit," she explained quietly.
Another woman we are calling Lexi, who says she was tricked by a different network, echoed Mia's story, saying "porta potty" requests were frequent.
"There was a client who said: 'We pay you 15,000 Arab Emirates Dirham ($4,084, £3,013) to gang-rape you, pee in your face, beat you, and add in 5,000 ($1,361, £1,004)'" for being recorded eating faeces.
Her experiences have led her to believe there is a racial element to this extreme fetish.
"Every time I said that I wouldn't want to do that, it seemed to get them more interested. They want somebody who is going to cry and scream and run. And that somebody [in their eyes] should be a black person."
Lexi says she tried to get help from the only people she thought could intervene - the police. But she says they told her: "You Africans cause problems for each other. We don't want to get involved. And they would hang up."
Finding Charles Mwesigwa wasn't easy. We could only find one picture of him online - and it was taken from behind. He also uses multiple names across social media.
But through a combination of open-source intelligence, undercover research, and information from a former member of his network, we traced him to a middle class neighbourhood in Dubai - Jumeirah Village Circle.
To corroborate what sources had told us about his business - supplying women for degrading sex acts - we sent in an undercover reporter posing as an event organiser sourcing women for high-end parties.
Mr Mwesigwa appeared calm and confident when speaking about his business.
"We've got like 25 girls," he said. "Many are open-minded… they can do pretty much everything."
He explained the cost - from $1,000 (£738) per girl per night, but more for "crazy stuff". He invited our reporter for a "sample night".
When asked about "Dubai porta potty" he replied: "I've told you, they are open-minded. When I say open-minded… I will send you the craziest I have."
He went on to tell our reporter that he loved this business.
"I could win the lottery, a million pounds, but I would still do it… it's become part of me."
Troy, a man who says he used to act as operations manager for Mr Mwesigwa's network, gave us more information about how he says it is run.
He says Mr Mwesigwa pays off security at various nightclubs so they will let his women in to find clients.
"I've heard about types of sex that I've never seen in my life. It doesn't matter what you go through as long as his rich men are happy… [the women] have no escape route…They see musicians, they see footballers, they see presidents."
On 27 April 2022, Monic posted a selfie from Al Barsha - a residential neighbourhood popular with expats in Dubai. Four days later, she was dead. She had been in the emirate for just four months.
According to Mia, Monic and Mr Mwesigwa had been regularly arguing in the period before she left. Mia says Monic had been refusing to comply with Mr Mwesigwa's demands and had found a way out of his network.
"She had got some kind of job. She was very excited. She thought she was gonna get free, she was going to get her life back because now that was a real job, no sleeping with men," Mia says.
Monic moved out to a different apartment about 10 minutes' walk away. It was from this apartment's balcony that she fell on 1 May 2022.
Monic's relative Michael, who was in the UAE at the time she died, says he tried to get answers.
Police told him they stopped their investigation, having found drugs and alcohol in the apartment Monic had fallen from, and only her fingerprints on the balcony, he says.
He obtained a death certificate for Monic from a hospital, but it did not say how she had died. And her family were unable to obtain a toxicology report for her.
But a Ghanaian man living in the apartment building was more helpful, he says, taking him to another block to meet the man he said was Monic's boss.
Michael describes the scene when he got there and saw where the women were housed.
He says through the cloud of shisha smoke in the living room, he made out what looked like cocaine on the table and women having sex on chairs with clients.
He claims he found the man we had previously identified as Charles Mwesigwa in bed with two women, and that when he tried to drag him to the police Mr Mwesigwa replied: "I have spent 25 years in Dubai. Dubai is mine… There is no way you are going to report me… Embassy is me, I'm the embassy.
"[Monic's] not the first to die. And she won't be the last," he added, according to Michael.
Monic's death shares haunting similarities with that of Kayla Birungi, another Ugandan woman who lived in the same neighbourhood as her, and died in 2021 after falling from a Dubai high-rise apartment which we have evidence to suggest was managed by Charles Mwesigwa.
The phone number for her landlord, shared with us by Kayla's family, turned out to be one of Mr Mwesigwa's numbers. Troy also confirms that Mr Mwesigwa managed the apartment, as do four other women we spoke to for this investigation.
Kayla's relatives say that they - like Monic's family - heard Kayla's death had been linked to alcohol and drugs. But a toxicology report seen by the BBC shows none were present in her system at the time of her death.
While Kayla's family was able to repatriate her body and hold a burial, Monic's remains were never returned.
Our investigation found she was likely buried in a section of Dubai's Al Qusais Cemetery known as "The Unknown". It features rows and rows of unmarked graves, typically thought to belong to migrants whose family couldn't repatriate their bodies.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2r9y3kxy9o>>2522347No. This is a leftist forum. Go to …wherever true-crime retards inhabit.
>>2522516>Material explanation?You didn't need to post here. Delete this and instead use your brain and gumption. You can do it, i believe in you.
>>2522516wherever you see colonialism in the world they always empower some small minority groups as loyal shock troopers or intermediaries. the british used the concept of 'martial races' in South Asia, and gurkhas. and gave them more benefits.
in Iraq they empowered the Assyrians and kurds to become soldiers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Levies >>2523171Most moral army.
>>2523171israeli's deserve collective punishment tbh.
>Channel 12: IDF sources confirm that Hamas has seized at least 45 pickup trucks, hundreds of Kalashnikovs, machine guns, ammunition, and grenades previously supplied by Israel to Gaza clans.
>Cash transfers to these groups were also reportedly taken by Hamas.
>The IDF acknowledged that the loss of these resources was predictable and described it as “a failure we would pay for.”
>>2523887they are all IDF soldiers, or possible IDF soldiers, they are also a democracy and never were against a genocidal project of 95 percent, thus in killing a israeli you kill a genocidal maniac, the inocent israelis are unironically most banned from israel or in jails for being against the regime or draft, but they are a minority, thus every israeli must be punished.
>>2523897What kind of punishment?
>>2523898retaliation law, what they do to palestines will be applied against israelis.
>>2523910US is a highest bidder country so it's never gonna happen, an israeli gonna lobby a "israelis will have prima nocturne right law" and every rightoid will celebrate the right of the chosen people's rule.
>>2523487Pretty short-sighted and naive move on Israel's part.
>>2523882>give up your one bargaining chip>yanks go in and kill youpoetry
>>2521254>Israeli collaboratorsSo anyone Hamas don't like lmao
>>2523884This is the most Israeli thing I've seen.
>>2523350I think you are severely overestimating the ability for westerners to own anything or get citizenship in Thailand.
I just realized that the Soviet–German War and the Israel–Palestinian conflict are very similar.
>Both were conflicts between ideological enemies.
>Both sides built up their armies and economies to destroy each other.
>The Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union was a preemptive strike, since Hitler knew that Stalin was also preparing to attack Germany. He thought that if he invaded first, it would give him an advantage over the Soviets. The same could be said about Hamas launching their's attack on Israel.
>Both sides took revenge on enemy populations in the Palestinian–Israeli case, and in how the Nazis committed heinous acts against the Soviet people out of racist beliefs that Slavs were subhuman.
>Both the Soviet and German sides fought harshly, but not as ruthlessly "that much" toward each other as in other wars, since they got thier's own father/motherlands that made them still had a certain degree of respect for one another. In contrast, Israelis are deeply insecure about their legitimacy, knowing that they might be seen as invaders from a foreign land, and thus act like colonizers.
Sadly, Stalin failed to see this truth when he took part in creating the state of Israel.
Just a rumor but Thailand is considering banning Israeli tourists because even though they're a tiny amount of overall tourists they account for a full half of all violent incidents instigated by tourists.
>>2524902in that article it showed the example of these soldiers who were staying there illegally, they are ex-special forces glowies, they know how to work bribes and peddle influence, and they have these shell businesses where they have thai frontmen. i mean these guys think they are the centre of the universe, theyre not going to give a shit about some thailand laws. and they think they have the right to kill anyone that opposes them.
>>2525387even better, Sweden's foreign ministry (UD) did jack shit to help her and the other Swedes of the flotilla
>>2525154> they account for a full half of all violent incidents instigated by tourists.really? source?
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/25LgKq/greta-thunberg-they-kicked-me-every-time-the-flag-touched-my-faceI don't think it's being mentioned enough that Ben Gvir himself was present when the Israelis were torturing Greta Thunberg.
>>2525616>– Then Ben-Gvir and his media team come in and stand there filming, and he says, ’I will personally make sure that you are treated like a terrorist and that you rot in prison. You are Hamas. You are a terrorist. You want to kill Jewish babies.’ While he is shouting, I sit as calmly as I can and quote UN conventions and say that Israel is not immune and must respect international law. I thought this was being recorded and would be spread to the public, but I still haven't seen it spread.>Inside the prison, there is a large picture covering one wall, showing a bombed-out Gaza and people fleeing, with text in Arabic: “The new Gaza” next to a large Israeli flag, she says.>– It was so hot, like 40 degrees. We begged the whole time: Can we have water? Can we have water? In the end, we screamed. The guards walked in front of the bars the whole time, laughing and holding up their water bottles. They threw the bottles with water in them into the trash cans in front of us.>– When people fainted, we banged on the cages and asked for a doctor. Then the guards came and said, ‘We’re going to gas you.’ It was standard for them to say that. They held up a gas cylinder and threatened to press it against us.>– We were together and told them about the treatment we received. About the lack of food, water, about the abuse. The torture. We showed them the physical injuries we had – bruises and scratches. We gave them all our contact details – I gave them my father's number and the number of our contact in the organization. We were clear: everything we say now must be released to the media.>– They didn’t do anything, they just said: ’Our job is to listen to you. We are here and you are entitled to consular support.’>– We said over and over again: we need water. And they saw that the guards had water bottles. The embassy staff said: ’We’ll make a note of that.’ One of us, Vincent, said: ’Next time we meet you, you must bring water.’>– They didn't bring any water, except for a small bottle of their own that was half empty. Vincent, who was in the worst shape, got to drink it. We kept asking the guards, “Can we have some water?” but they just walked around with their water bottles and didn't answer.>Finally, the Swedish group decided, in the presence of the embassy staff, to refuse to return to their cells until they were given water, according to several witnesses that Aftonbladet has spoken to. But then the embassy staff wanted to leave the prison, they claim.>– I said, “Are you going to leave us like this? If you leave now, they will beat us up.” But they just kept walking. >>2524983what a stupid fucking post holy shit
an anticolonial struggle is not an ideological fight
hamas have no real army
USSR was building up for war but not for aggression, hitler war was straight up naked aggression and not preemptive, and hamas anti colonial resistance operation is not a preemptive strike
hamas warcrimes were pretty limited and not endorsed by the political leadership, much like soviet few warcrimes which werent endorsed by the either the politics or the army, and which appear incredibly insignificant in comparison to the large scale debauchery of brutality and barbarism of nazi and israel which were fully planned for and fully supported by the political and military leadership
>Soviet and German sides fought harshly, but not as ruthlessly "that much" toward each other as in other warswtf is that retarded revisionism
>>2526051too many /pol/ immigrants on this website. but ig thats the natural evolution of being right wing.
>>2525651Damn the Swedish foreign service are cucks
>>2526051>>2526538>>2524983The only difference that matters is that it was competant states fighting each other, Israel is a state and the Palestinians are just scattered militias
I understand why Gazans would try to hope otherwise but I don't understand why anyone else could believe that Israel would abide by the ceasefire after the POWs were recovered.
>>2527265Blind hope, maybe Hamas knew and was losing support for the people and it was a see this only ends if we win
>>2527265>>2527271Hamas is intelligent enough to know Israel will never respect any ceasefire and thinks the hostages are meaningless considering Israel will kill them too in their airstrikes. Might as well at least attempt a deal in good faith even if it was never going to happen.
>>2527496They had no choice but to accept the terms given because their hands were tied by the arab states, who signed off on the big Nobel Peace Prize deal.
The occupation forces are going to continue doing this thing where they do bombing raids, then declare they are "enforcing the ceasefire" and then bomb again, then "enforce the ceasefire". This is how the media is reporting it. As if other people were bombing, and they are "enforcing" the peace.
>>2525616Yup. And the enhanced interrogation was recorded by him as well. It hasn't been published, so it may be in his personal inventory.
>>2523171this is what they will do to you and all of us
>>2525847>>>/ISG/You don't even need to post it, they already had this conversation.
You would know that if you were even only half-retarded.
Nader Sadaqa: The Samaritan who crossed walls toward freedom
On the morning of October 13, 2025, Nader Saleh Sadaqa walked out of the gates of captivity after twenty-one years of imprisonment.
His face bore the weariness of long years behind bars, yet the spark of determination in his eyes had not dimmed. His release was not just the end of a prison sentence, it was the closing of a chapter in a unique Palestinian story, whose hero came from a small community but believed that belonging to one’s homeland is broader than any narrow identity.
<Son of Mount Gerizim
Nader Sadaqa was born in 1977 on the slopes of Mount Gerizim in Nablus, among the homes of the Samaritan community, which still clings to its ancient traditions.
He grew up in a small group that speaks both ancient Hebrew and Arabic, living between two worlds, but never distant from the struggles of the land and the people around them.
He often told his friends, “The Samaritans are part of Palestine. These mountains know all our names, old and new.”
At school in Nablus, the quiet boy was drawn to reading and history, but a city under occupation leaves little room for childhood. During the First Intifada, Nader was one of the boys who hurled stones at heavily armed soldiers.
By the time of the Second Intifada, his name had become known within the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), where he emerged as a field commander in the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades.
<The road to the cell
In 2004, after two years on the run, Nader was captured by Israeli forces in a large-scale military operation in the Ain Beit al-Ma’ refugee camp.
The charges were numerous: belonging to a banned organization, planning operations, and participating in attacks against the Israeli army.
To Nader, those charges were a silent acknowledgment that he had never stayed silent in the face of injustice.
He received a harsh sentence, six life terms plus forty-five additional years, making him one of those Israel believed would never see freedom again.
But inside prison, Nader was not just another name on the list of inmates. He became known as “the thinker of the prisoners.”
He gave lectures, wrote about history, and took part in every collective hunger strike. He would tell his cellmates, “Prison doesn’t kill a person, it reveals his true nature.”
<The Samaritan prisoner
Nader’s story was unique even within the prison walls, he was the only Samaritan prisoner in Israeli jails. His distinct background aroused curiosity among Israelis, but he turned it into a bridge of defiance.
He refused to let his origins be used to justify leniency or sympathy and would always repeat, “I am Samaritan by heritage, Palestinian at heart and the occupation does not distinguish between one blood and another.”
<From isolation to light
Nader was placed in solitary confinement multiple times, accused of communicating with fellow prisoner Ahmad Sa’adat, the PFLP’s Secretary-General.
In his long isolation, he wrote many reflections on freedom and dignity. When asked after his release about those days, he said calmly, “Solitude does not scare those who know themselves. I used to listen to my own breath and count it, just to remind myself that I was still alive.”
<The moment of freedom
During the prisoner exchange deal that followed the ceasefire agreement in Gaza, Nader Sadaqa’s name appeared among the unexpected releases.
Israel had refused to free him in previous exchanges but yielded this time to the resistance’s conditions.
When he was released, Israel barred his family from celebrating, they weren’t even allowed to receive him in Nablus. Instead, Nader was transferred to the Gaza Strip among a list of those deported.
There, crowds welcomed him with tears, flowers, and chants a mix of joy and awe.
It was like witnessing a small miracle: A man from one of the world’s smallest religious communities, freed from Israel’s deepest prison cells through the struggle of his people.
<After freedom
Today, Nader Sadaqa lives in Gaza, among fellow ex-prisoners who were freed before him. He is slowly trying to reclaim the details of a life that was stolen.
In his first statement after release, he said, “I did not leave prison to rest, I came out to continue the path with those who believe that freedom is never granted; it is seized.”(BASED)
In his features lies the story of all Palestine: diversity, resilience, and an extraordinary capacity to endure.
Nader Sadaqa is not just a freed prisoner, he is a living testament that true identity is forged by stance, not by blood. And that when freedom arrives, it does not distinguish between Samaritan, Muslim, or Christian, it knocks on every door with the same name: Palestinian.
>>2526876>the Israelis are the majorityThis bit is only accurate if you count "Arab citizens of Israel" as far as I'm aware, who are second class citizens within the "legal" borders of "Israel." I might be wrong - at a glance, some estimates put the current of "Israeli" Jewish citizens higher than others.
That a great number are in refugee camps around the region is also a significant factor, although I understand why that's not taken into consideration here.
>They can be beaten, but never in the way it happened in South Africa or any post-colonial conflictI agree with this, though.
My view is that the western left have gotten far too complacent as cheerleaders - there's a sort of cognitive dissonance to it. There are a lot of leftists who recognize that "Israel" is fully dependent on bottomless financial & military & propaganda support from, mostly, western powers (dominated by the US), but who still expect for the resistance in western Asia to vanquish the colonizers
any day now even though none of them are receiving the kind of foreign assistance that "Israel" does. There's a categorical refusal to escalate in the west, an eagerness to defer all such struggle to those who are specifically being genocided or attacked already, even as protests are banned, police brutally mass-arrest college students for opposing
this particular apartheid state, and Zionist oligarchs like Larry Ellison continue to buy up social media and MSM outlets in order to censor the truth. We would be justified in waging war against such tyrants even for our own sake, and it's undeniable, to me, that if we want to stop what they are doing to Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and the whole region, we have to do better than merely cheering for the resistance from the sidelines.
The arms dealers, financiers, and propaganda outlets are here, and we are poor - why don't we take their money, their guns, their bombs, etc. for ourselves so they won't be used to murder children anymore? At the very least, we ought to escalate against them through direct action. The American left has been especially disappointing in this regard.
>>2528568>That a great number *of Palestinians* are in refugee camps around the region is also a significant factor,Added clarification here.
>>2528568>>2528570By Arabs do you mean Mihrazi(who are the biggest supporters of the RW) or Christian/Muslim Arabs?
interview with economist shir hever on israel's zombie economy, and a new system they have created to keep the genocide and economy going
>Israel’s zombie economy, part one.
>Thousands of people are injured, out of work, and deserters. there ought to be a manpower shortage but there isn't. why?
>The Minister of Defence went to the press behind the backs of leaders to complain that he needs more men. Traditionally, the Ministry of Defence and the Ministry of Finance are at odds. The MOD needs money for wars and equipment, but the MOF doesn’t want to give it.
>The MOF today is Smotrich. The creation of a new type of currency, the day of reserve duty token, is the solution. The old system paid reservists the same wage as in civilian life, while unemployed people received benefits and minimum wage was paid, tech programmers recieved 6 figures.
>The new system is a day of reserve duty token. Everyone gets paid the same, 29,000 shekels per month, which is 9,000 USD, more than twice the average wage and five times the minimum wage.
>For many Israelis who lost jobs and the economy is tanking, reserve duty and high salaries are seen as a way out. They receive reserve tokens as payment for serving.
>The way the tokens are paid is different. Previously, the MOD paid money directly to reservists’ bank accounts. Now, officers handle the tokens to be distributed.
>Most units lack key staff. You can’t have a full-strength armoured division without drivers. Officers advertise on WhatsApp groups, like “Our unit needs tank drivers. If you’re not in our division, it doesn’t matter. Come do the job and we’ll pay in reserve duty tokens.”
>Some dangerous jobs are paid this way: do three days of duty and get paid five days. It’s becoming a mercenary army.
>Tokens are also being used to buy goods. One unit used them to buy meat from a butcher.
>Some soldiers just wander around the army from one unit to the next, doing random jobs. It’s a gig economy military. People who are of military age aren’t doing other jobs because they’re much more lucrative.
>This basically functions as a second parallel currency. Warnings are being issued that this is similar to the 1980s crisis.
>>2529414finally, barracks communism
>murder tens of thousands of people in front of the whole world
>everything goes back to normal
>>2529421my specific, perfect, infallible brand of barracks communism has never been tried
>>2529414>war tokenslmao. that country is soo cooked. cooked + chopped.
We're going to have a few years of israeli merc's all over Africa after this like the sauth africans, aren't we?
>>2529358Mizrahi are considered "Jewish Israelis" on the "Israeli" census afaik. So Christians, Muslims, etc.
BREAKING: Al Jazeera publishes name of man said to have ordered murder of Hind RajabAl Jazeera Arabic has named Major Sean Glass, of the so-called “Vampire Empire” tank company of Israel’s 52nd Battalion of its 401st Armoured Brigade, as the occupation commander who allegedly gave the order in Gaza, from inside an Israeli tank, to destroy the car carrying Palestinian child Hind Rajab and her family, as well as the ambulance rushing to rescue them, killing all those on board both vehicles.
Five-year-old Hind was the last to survive of her family and a heart-breaking recording of her terrified last conversation with a Palestinian emergency despatcher ended with Hind telling the female despatcher that it was hard to breathe because she didn’t want her mother to have to clean blood from her dress. The bodies were not found for several days; forensic examiners found 355 bullets had been fired into Hind’s car from close range by an Israeli tank.
https://www.thecanary.co/skwawkbox/2025/10/21/ordered-murder-of-hind-rajab/ >Did you know Israel has been quietly expanding its reach across the eastern Mediterranean? Analysts describe this as a shadowy alliance with Greece and the Greek Cypriot administration. At first glance, it looks like business as usual: more defence deals and deliveries. However, these are not ordinary agreements. The GCA recently received Israeli-made Barak MX air defence systems, the same systems Greece reportedly wants for its national air and missile defence network. Greek Prime Minister Kiryakos Mitatakis has even called Israel a strategic partner. But there’s more behind the story. These systems are not just defensive; they’re set to be linked to Israel’s wider military network. The Barak MX’s 3D radar can track aircraft and missiles over 200 kilometres, giving it visibility deep into the eastern Mediterranean, including Turkey’s southern coast and airspace. These systems can also interface with Patriot systems already positioned on Greece’s Crete Island and Israel’s Iron Dome. At sea, Israel’s presence is reportedly expanding through Greece’s integration of the Israeli-made Blue Whale Autonomous Submarine system, used for long-range intelligence gathering. Because these systems are allegedly connected to Israel’s command network, data collected may flow back to Tel Aviv, forming what some experts call a “command and control” link.
>Israel reportedly holds privileged status at the GCA’s Puffos Air Command base, where satellite imagery has shown the presence of US-owned V22 Osprey aircraft. Israeli intelligence agencies Mossad and Shinbet are also involved in security oversight at GCA’s LNA and Puffos airports. Some reports, originating from French intelligence sources and a former diplomat in GCA, even allege a Mossad base operates on the island.
>Israel’s footprint extends into Greece’s defence industry. Albbit Systems and the Israeli firm signed a £1.65 billion deal to run Greece’s air force training centre in Kalamata for 20 years, supplying it with jets and support. Meanwhile, Israel Aerospace Industries acquired a majority stake in Intercom Defence, one of Greece’s largest defence contractors. Observers suggest Tel Aviv is embedding Israeli military and intelligence infrastructure within the Greek and Greek Crete military ecosystem, a strategy that could further destabilise an already fragile region. Turkey’s foreign minister, Hakam Fidan, warned of the risks.
>For many in the region, the GCA is not just a logistical hub; it’s becoming an Israeli operations base. Another layer to this growing alliance lies in the social and demographic shifts on the island.
Thousands of Israelis have reportedly been settling in the (GCA) over the past three years. However, the migration increased after Israel launched its genocidal war on Palestine’s Gaza in October 2023. Local opposition groups claim that Israeli investors have purchased over 4,000 properties since 2021, and Zionist synagogues and schools have been built in several districts. They describe this as a form of silent colonisation, warning that it could alter the island’s identity and allow Israel to tighten its influence across the Mediterranean. Experts argue that these settlements are not about Israelis seeking a safe haven but are part of the expansionist Greater Israel project
>Reports suggest that over 2,500 Israelis are officially registered in the GCA, although some estimates place the number closer to 10,000. Even hospitality ventures like the Secret Forest Wellness Retreat and Healing Spa in PAOS, reportedly owned by Israeli businessman Yoni Kahana, cater almost exclusively to Israeli clientele, including soldiers, with no Greek language option on their website.
>>2530885>12 years ago<USAwhy the fuck are you posting this here?
>>2530885There’s like 14 /pol/ memes in this single video.
>Liberty University (LU), known simply as Liberty, is a conservative, private evangelical Christian university in Lynchburg, Virginia, United States. It is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention of Virginia (Southern Baptist Convention). Founded in 1971 by Jerry Falwell Sr. and Elmer L. Towns as Lynchburg Baptist College, Liberty is among the world's largest Christian universities and one of the largest private non-profit universities in the United States by total student enrollment.
>Liberty University has always championed God’s promises to Israel, and this new center reaffirms our commitment,” said Dr. Troy W. Temple, dean of the Rawlings School of Divinity, who will oversee the center’s operations. “Our goal is to cultivate a heart for God’s chosen people and His call for them to know Him and make Him known as the saving Messiah. We want our students to grow in their love for those whom God chose to bless and be a blessing in Genesis 12:3.”
>Programming will begin with a Spring Center for Israel Summit featuring sessions and gatherings that highlight the richness of Christian–Jewish friendship. The center will also support student travel, study abroad opportunities, and research initiatives focused on generational perspectives and evolving attitudes toward Israel.
>“This new center offers an extraordinary opportunity for our Liberty students to enrich their academic experience and deepen their intellectual and theological understanding of both historic and contemporary issues related to Israel,” said Liberty Provost and Chief Academic Officer Scott Hicks. “As we pursue missional-driven excellence in our educational programs, we see this center as a reflection of our historical doctrinal commitments and our ongoing duty to equip and train the next generation of Champions for Christ to defend the faith.”https://www.liberty.edu/news/2025/10/22/liberty-university-launches-center-for-israel-with-a-focus-on-faith-friendship-and-understanding/MIGA!!!!!
>>2526876>>2528568Israel is a colonialist state but it also defies most standards of settler-colonialism and those facts can co-exist and it's the reason it's succeed
>>2534557Christianity was a mistake
So… is Hamas cucked or not? Is Hezbollah cucked or not? Is Ansar Allah cucked or not?
I can't seem to think of anything other than this "war" made everybody lose. Even israel is not really winning anything. They just have a pile of rubble to deal with and a world that hates them.
>>2535066Christianity was invented to get people to stop being jews, because, well, see for yourself.
>>2535491>is le cuckedHave you considered martyrdom?
>>2513160>>2511483>>2511903>>2513182Eh, I don't mean to be a dick but Jews even Ashekanzi Jews have ties to the land but that doesn't automatically make Israel not a colonial project. While there were ancient kingdoms of Judea and Israel the time has passed, a lot of the locals became Arabized (btw genetic studies show Israelis and Palestinians are extremely related because of this), and the Jewish diaspora when they came back decided to subjugate the Palestinian population which also has ties to the land which is what makes it colonialism; the social dynamics. It's in many ways like the creation of Liberia, the colonialization of Ireland by Ulster Scots settlers, and the colonization of the Sami in Scandinavia where the people doing the colonizing do have ties to the land but it's still an act of colonialism because they decide to steal the land and declare the people there now as subhuman. That's why when the word indigenous =/= native because indigeneity is based off of social relations not necessarily who was there first.
While I can understand why I really wish leftists would realize this dynamic because without it, it gives into essentialist thinking and obscures that what makes colonization, colonization is the social dynamics. The Scottish and Irish share a common origin but the former still colonized the latter. Amero- Liberians and native Liberians share a common origin yet the former also stole the land from the latter and decided they were not as human. The same goes for Israel, Palestine. The former decided they were superior to the native population, one that all evidence confirms they are closely related to but it is still an act of colonialism and genocide.
>>2535737Also, before people bring up that the Sami have different origins, I know but I brought up because there's a lot of white nationalists who will downplay the colonization of the Sami because technically there were groups more genetically similar to Germanic peoples there before the Sami but I brought it up because it's again another good example of it being a case of social dynamics not who was there first. Also, I should bring up that one of the countries that colonized the Sami heavily is Finland which have a common origin with the Sami being that they both speak Uralic languages but that does not negate the fact that it was still colonization.
>>2535741As a final note to it is very important to analyze it from a point of view of social dynamics because when one looks at the modern right they often steal from the rhetoric from decolonial movements to act like them existing beside people who aren't white is an act of genocide when that is not the case. That's why a lot of assholes like Renaud Camus will call immigration "colonialism" because it's meant to frame immigrants as being settlers when there is a huge difference since people from the global south coming into "western" countries are not setting up systems which benefit them and disposes the native people unlike the examples I have given. That's a huge reason why social dynamics must be emphasized because when one does not emphasize it then words like colonialism can be twisted by bad actors to mix it up with immigration.
If Jews had just moved to Palestine and didn't set things up to dispossess the Arab population then it wouldn't have been a problem. The problem comes from the fact they bought land and began to kick native Palestinians off the land and then once the population began to resist the Israeli settlers massacred them.
I do apologize for beating a dead horse but especially given I have seen a lot of right-wingers use people on the left who deny that Jews have any ties to Palestine as a weapon against us and that only makes the discourse worse because emboldens white nationalists and they can use it as an example of antisemitism and in some cases such as Simone Kern promoting the Khazar theory not be wrong.
I am by no means trying to say that pro-Palestine activism is antisemitic but please be careful not to fall into essentialist thought. That isn't even to mention that technically the majority of Jews in Israel are now Mizrahi which have even closer ties than the Ashkenazi but that still doesn't make it any less of a settler colony.
so palestinians inside israel have finally gotten off their asses to protest…
…the fact that that mother israel can't be bothered to provide police services in their communitieshttps://www.newarab.com/news/palestinian-israel-killed-amid-protests-over-police-inaction>>2536231I have suspected for a while that the Arabs living in the Zionist State could be the Arab equivalent of “Uncle Toms”, with the fact that some Arabs from the Triangle region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) protested their Arab villages being transferred to the Palestinian State in a Land Swap with the Zionist State in a Two-State Solution as shown in the Map on the right in the third Image I posted, confirming that their is an unfortunate degree of “Uncle Tom” sentiments among the Arabs living under Zionist rule, as any Arab that protests their village being transferred to the Palestinian State and who prefers being a second class citizen under Zionist rule is by definition an Arab “Uncle Tom”, and whether these “Uncle Tom” Arabs like it or not, the Image I posted shows the version of the Two-State Solution to the Zionist-Palestinian Conflict implemented in the future Global USSR with the Zionist State overthrown by a Maoist PPW and replaced by a Jewish SSR created inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land swaps that are very similar to the two Maps in the third Image I posted, while the West Bank and Gaza are placed in the Arab SFSR that will include all the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in both my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted and the second Image I posted that specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, and the 1:1 Land swaps between the Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR will mean that Arab villages in the “Triangle” region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the “Seam Zone”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone , so most Arabs and Jews that are in the “population transfer”, will not have to leave their homes, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
The entity struck in Lebanon again
>>2536613You know, I blame Iran for all that. They were too cowardly to support Hezbollah when it was needed, to avoid conflict with Israel and the US. In the end it didn't matter and Israel/US attacked them anyway.
So stupid.
>>2536591evangelical animals. that's it
>>2536591Who is funding these groups
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