Archived threads?
>>2514063the only thread with a reliable archive on a thread by thread basis is /usapol/ right now. which is a shame.
Reminder that there will never be a taiwan invasion because the treats must flow
Are gig slaves (workers who rely on an unsteady flow of income based on app deliveries) somehow not exploited by the chinese bourgeoisie owners of these delivery apps? What explanation does dengism have for class exploitation like this? Just a Question I Thought Of
>>2514241> the chinese bourgeoisie owners of these delivery appswhich apps are those
>>2514244The big ones off the top of my head are Meituan and E le, but the specific apps are immaterial no? It's about the basic functions of these apps, (in which a delivery driver gets paid a small sum for ferrying food from a restaurant to a specific residence) and the fact that profits generated from said apps do not go to the workers and instead to foreign/domestic bourgeois investors
>>2514251You think that delivery workers don't get their fair share of surplus value?
>>2513517>You can’t put factories back in the midwest snd especially Ohio because no one that could theoretically work these factory floors could pass a drug testits more that capital cant do it because its not profitable. they cant pay the wages that would make it economically viable with the current level of development and resulting rate of profit without cutting that rate further to increase wages. a reasonable and guaranteed but low return on investment is a recipe for being outcompeted and incapable of selling your product. you would need state directed subsidies and in the current climate this would just end up being a bunch of corrupt investors stealing from the public and producing nothing. capital isn't going to regulate itself even if it would benefit them in the long run because it would show red on next quarters books
>>2514241You ask the wrong questions. How are gig workers different in Communist China? In capitalism, gig workers are petite-bourgeois flunkeys of ruling class. In Communist China, gig workers are pround entrepreneurial servants of the people because there is no exploitation nor bourgeoisie.
>>2514251Your vulgar comprehension is limited. You call these indispensible public digital social utilities "immaterial." These technologies are concrete manifestations of the planned, proportional development and prosperity of Communism. You say China's workers are provided a "small sum" when capitalist gig workers are often homeless. Under the capitalist system, labor is a commodity and is subject to the law of value. Wage means the price of labor power. No matter how large the newly created value is, the part that belongs to the worker himself is only equal to the value of those means of livelihood necessary for the reproduction of labor power. The rest, namely, the surplus value, is not only possessed by the capitalist, but is used as a means to increase the exploitation of the worker. In Communist China, labor power is no longer a commodity. The laborer is no longer exploited. All of the value created by the producer is at the service of the laboring class. The distribution of the labor remuneration fund of the producer and the social fund is regulated by an overall consideration of common and individual interests and the long-term and short-term interests of the laboring people. In Communist China, the workers exploit foreign investment to enrich the people.
>>2514337Yes. America must choose between reindustrializing and maintaining its currency hegemony. It cannot have both, yet it needs both to maintain its imperialist stranglehold on the globe. It is caught in a contradiction with no way out.
>>2514338>In capitalism, gig workers are petite-bourgeois flunkeys of ruling class>WORKERS are PETITE-BOURGEOIS no. gig workers are precarious and borderline declassed people sourced from the relative surplus population, AKA the reserve army of labor. the gig economy exists to kill unions. For example uber killed taxi unions. But this isn't the gig workers fault. the gig worker just got the first job they could get, because they need one to survive. It just so happens that the job is basically scabbing against taxi unions by proxy. Software as a service soaks up in general, not just in the gig economy, soaks up a lot of monopoly rent.
If you really want to talk about petit bourgeois flunkeys, let's talk about tech startups. Tech startups all get hooked on AWS and similar services like the crackheads they are, and end up paying Amazon (or Microsoft or whoever) monpoly rent just to run the backend (the real driving engine) of their own shitty services. Basically most "small business" tech "startups" are bootstrapped by monopolist investors and are making "Apps" which are thin front end GUIs wrapped around back end services provided by monopolists. In much the same way that the "store brand" lucky charms and the "real" lucky charms are both made in the same factory, but just end up in different boxes. The "alternative" is cheaper, but also fake.
So it's not the gig economy
service workers but the gig economy
tech startups who are the flunkeys. The workers are just yet another victim of the reserve army of labor, and a general climate of austerity, deregulation, and union busting.
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>>2514382All of this is true but it’s hard to picture what “the bottom falling out” would look like especially when COVID was just absorbed as normal and the cost of being American
>>2514124>Archived threads?/PRC/ People's Republic of China X:
https://archive.is/PdEHX/PRC/ People's Republic of China 11:
https://archive.is/w2jbj/PRC/ People's Republic of China 13:
https://archive.is/VsdPX/PRC/ People's Republic of China 14:
https://archive.ph/p91XiIf anybody knows of any other archived /PRC/ threads, let me know.
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>>2514496shouldn't you post some more nazi shit on the 'beria instead
Mao won.
Deng won.
Xi won.
Leftcoms lost.
Liberals lost.
Wignats lost.
>>2514251So I'm in the China is capitalist camp but contrary to the "people's gig economy" dengist cock suckers I know something about chinese economy: they cracked down on that shit quite a bit trough judicial and legal apparatuses in those last years, so for example food deliverers are actually wage laborers instead of turbo exploited freelancers. In short they have it better than in the west.
https://archive.ph/uNn0L>China expands rare earth export restrictions ahead of possible Trump-Xi meeting>China has tightened export controls on rare earths and related technologies while barring its citizens from participating in unauthorized mining overseas, adding fresh strains to a sector central to its geopolitical leverage.>Foreign entities must now obtain a license from Beijing to export any products containing over 0.1% of domestically-sourced rare earths, or manufactured using China’s extraction, refining, magnet-making or recycling technology, the Ministry of Commerce said Thursday.>To prevent the “misuse” of rare-earth minerals in the military and other sensitive sectors, companies tied to foreign militaries or placed on export-control or watch lists will be denied permits, the commerce ministry said. Applications for items that could be used in weaponry, terrorism or other military purposes will also be rejected.>The latest move marks a “major upgrade for rare earth export control,” expanding restrictions from only raw materials to intellectual property and technologies, said Dan Wang, China director at Eurasia Group. China added several rare earths and related materials to its export control list in April.>These restrictions could further deepen other countries’ dependence on Chinese know-how while supporting Beijing’s efforts to move its own industries up the value chain, Wang added.>Chinese citizens are also prohibited from supporting overseas activities related to rare earth extraction and magnet manufacturing without approval from Beijing.>The new rules on the export of rare earth materials will take effect on December 1, while those on technologies and labor took effect immediately, according to official statements.>Applications for rare earth exports used in producing sub-14 nanometer semiconductors, advanced memory chips, semiconductor manufacturing or testing equipment, or artificial intelligence with potential military applications will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis, the ministry said.>The measures mainly target the defense sector, said George Chen, partner at The Asia Group, as part of Beijing’s efforts to dwarf the U.S. defense capabilities.>Rare earths are critical to high-tech industries, including automobiles, defense and semiconductors. Tightened access to rare earths has disrupted international supply chains caught in the U.S.-China crossfire this year.>“Beijing has realized that it has leverage in this sector and is clearly not shy about using it,” said Wendy Cutler, a senior vice president at the Asia Society Policy Institute and former U.S. trade negotiator. The move could pressure Washington to make further concessions in ongoing talks, such as tariff reductions or relaxed U.S. export controls.>Bargaining leverages>China accounts for about 70% of the global supply and has repeatedly used the critically needed minerals as a bargaining chip in trade discussions.>The latest restrictions came just weeks before a potential meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping. The two leaders are expected to meet in person on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum during the last week of October in Gyeongju, South Korea.>While China has been silent on future meetings, Trump had also said he would visit China early next year and that Xi would come to the U.S. at a later date.>The new announcement can be viewed as “a series of bargains” that Beijing wants to place even before the next round of major trade talks, The Asia Group’s Chen said.>“The Chinese side is getting more and more experienced in dealing with their counterparts and they know what their American friends want,” Chen added.>Since late last year, China has tightened restrictions on rare earth exports, including demanding proof that they will not be used for military purposes. Beijing started issuing single-use export licenses following a trade truce with Washington in May.>While China’s official data showed that exports of rare earth magnets have recovered in recent months, progress appeared uneven. The European Chamber of Commerce said in a survey released last month that Beijing’s tight grip had cost at least one member “millions of euros” while other members cited inconsistent procedures for obtaining export approvals.>A Chinese ministry spokesperson on Thursday said that there would be certain exemptions under the new rules, including exports for emergency medical situations or disaster relief. A “transition period” will also allow businesses to fulfill existing contracts and meet compliance requirements.>The transition window is likely to cushion some near-term impacts for companies, Eurasia’s Wang said, noting that “similar to how the U.S. tech export ban to China left room for American tech companies to lobby and apply for approval — most of them did get approvals.”>“It will give China more power than just a blunt ban,” Wang said. >>2515573A post caused by ideology shopping and being terminally online. You're probably gonna adopt some anorchomonarchist LARP by the end of this year. Completely empty of theory, misunderstanding the simplest things, just trying to be edgy and against the grain.
>>2515573I don't think China even remotely claims to have abolished wage labor.
>>2515594well maybe they should
>>2515602<I don't think China even remotely claims to have abolished wage labor.But are they headed towards that?
>>2515602seems to work for most china simps
>>2515614You think its a big mindfuck that a state isn't communist, keeeeek. Lvl 1 discourse in here.
>>2515628Go ask any llm how do Chinese call Chinese companies and what they call Western private companies (on Chinese market included)
literally "people's companies" vs "individual's companies" >>2515727Wrong. China is Communist. Only sinophobic anti-Communist say otherwise. In Communist China, the transition from state-capitalism to socialism was completed by 1956. By 1981, the exploiting class was eliminated.
https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/history/01.htm The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The people’s democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on an alliance of workers and peasants, which in essence is a dictatorship of the proletariat, has been consolidated and developed.
Remember someone is a retard if they Say the exploiting classes in China was eliminated
>>2515614Chauvinistic western pig.
>>2515727>All they claim is to have a state capitalist economy run by a Communist PartyThat's what you are saying. I'm saying China is socialist because (early stages of) socialist is a capitalism with human face
>>2515733>China is Communist. Only sinophobic anti-Communist say otherwise. well I guess the CPC is sinophobic anti-communist by this logic because they say they are currently trying to build socialism.
>>2515809China says it is building lower stage socialism so maybe listen to what they are saying instead of taking a harder line than even they do.
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OK you win. I will be lobbying the US gov to overthrow them and install REAL communism
>>2515940>China says it is building lower stage socialismXi said something like "by 2050 China will finish the construction of first stage of socialism and go on to second stage". Building first stage is LIVING in the first stage.
cpc is social authoritarianism
>>2515965read this as
<cpc is a social constructand had a giggle
cpc proves lasalle was right
So it's basically impossible to get party membership if you move to China right? As far as I understand it's only for citizens after years of free volunteer work and its basically impossible to get citizenship as well.
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is that what I said?
>>2515960>Xi said something like "by 2050 China will finish the construction of first stage of socialism and go on to second stage". Building first stage is LIVING in the first stage.nah
building stage 1 means you are somewhere between 0 and 1
building stage 2 means you are somewhere between 1 and 2
kind of like how the years 0-99 CE are called "the first century CE"
>>2516015But socialism and communism are not 1 and 2
>>2516015No, building stage 1 means you are somewhere between 1 and 2.
>>2516031If you're making a ladder could you stand on the first rung while putting it into place?
>>2516038You put the ladder up by establishing a DOTP
>What's hilarious is that if everybody believes there's a magic strike force intervening when the market dips to 3000, everybody's going to buy the dip around when it hits that point…
>ensuring that it really can't fall below 3000 without any intervention needed from CCP shadow brokers
Interesting, this how you buts chinese stocks, and indices.
>>2515745The Communist Party of China has resolved such. Do you know better than the Chinese Communist Party
>>2516180
Then we agree
I was about to say that this
>>2515473 wasn't getting much attention in the media but then the orange pedophile posted this. He's seething. Boiling. Screeching. It's fucking hilarious, he's trying to frame it how China did this unprovoked and how his orange child raping ass is the victim.
Basically China imposed additional export controls over not just rare earths but components and materials used for making machines that refine rare earths. The reason? "Threats to national security" lmao, the go-to American excuse.
Now this isn't an outright ban, rather it's a loaded shotgun and they announced they can pull the trigger whenever they deem fit. They can review case by case and pick and choose when and what to ban - it's mostly for "dual use goods that can be applied for military use". Yes, that's another reasoning Americans use to ban stuff like DJI and Huawei.
They did this in advance of Trump-Xi meeting in few weeks. At first I thought Americans would shut the fuck up and keep their heads down. Say nothing and beg for forgiveness when they meet. But no. Orange retard isn't that smart and is now threatening to not even meet Xi lol. A strongman bluff, hoping China takes this down. One problem though, China doesn't need to talk with him. Trump has no cards.
In short: Biden/Trump blocked Nvidia and ASML from exporting their chips and machines that make chips to China. China went "Oi gweilo they make chips out of our rare earths to begin with" and blocked both rare earths and the means of extracting them. Complete checkmate.
Americans threatened to kick China in the balls for years. When they finally mustered the courage to do it, China pulled out a shotgun and blew America's legs off.
>>2516374>machines that make chips to Chinathese have been restricted since a couple years at this point
but trump whining about "unprovoked" trade restriction is very funny
>>2516504Why don't they just get the Germanium from Germany instead?
>>2516507I'll kneel when I can buy a cheap chinese GPU better and cheaper than the burger competition on aliexpress
It’s so funny that after 50 years of trade with mainland China the occidental retards think they can choke it out like they have with Cuba
>>2516518Anon no please those are my life savings…
>>2516522I have a spare bedroom and don't require much more than the occasional handy.
>>2516510China just made the fastest car in human history. It's faster than 7 million dollar Bugattis.
And they're selling it for 300 000 dollars.
Cheaper GPUs ARE coming. Since, like EVs, they're getting funded by the government due to their AI relevancy. The other month they told their companies not to even bother importing and using Nvidia's downgraded cards meant for China. Jason Huang thought he got that market on lock but the CPC decided to fuck his Taiwanese ass instead.
>>2516529Incredibly pointless and bourgeois but impressive nonetheless I suppose
>>2516511he's so dumb. he's so stupid. wow.
>>2516529I had an MG 4-cylinder for some time. tbh, I wasn't super thrilled with its performance when going uphill (vs. 4-cylinder Hondas and Hyundais), but I never had any major repair or recall problems with it, maintenance was cheap, fuel efficiency great, and it let me buy new.
As an insult to injury of the already humiliating ritual, China just imposed a fee on all American ships going to Chinese ports. Just an extra "Fuck yourselves" while they're down.
Fam, is it… is it… is it time to bring back the burger collapse general?
>>2516565They should troll the US by sanctioning some random company in Alabama pulling six figures a year, making all the fintards spend weeks analyzing what hidden potential lies in that company.
Mass Cryptobro suicide tonight btw.
>>2516518>>2516504They have the US by the balls since the tech scams that rely on these minerals now make up like 70% of the US economy.
Good strategic planning Technocrats! Truly the enlightened annointed ones who should be running our country!
I hope that this shit lasts for a long time and that it isn't merely some short-term negotiations gimmick. They should cripple Trump until he leaves office, because he's never going to negotiate in good faith. After that, it doesn't matter whether there's a Dem or Repub in office, because nobody else has the malignant charisma necessary to make so many economic mistakes and get away with it.
>>2516585i think the usa will lash out and declare war
>>2516587They can try but unless they can win within a month their entire military machine is going to grind to a halt because of lack of parts.
It turns out "lean production" and "just in time supplying" are very profitable economic strategies but not very robust in emergencies. Woops!
>>2516601kek, I was just about to ask about that. I was reading that the AI bubble is the only thing keeping the Trump admin from being punished for its tariff wars.
>look at 4chud /biz/
>no pro-Xi trolling this time
/prc/, you're slacking…
china RAPED my long position
Its like the ending of TRADING PLACES
>>2516644The question I have is, why hasn't his reversal/cave been priced in? Everyone knows there's like a 99% chance he reverses/caves on Monday, and yet… plummet.
Is it possible the crash isn't actually from Trump's Truth Social threats per se (because everyone knows he TACOs) but from the fact that he made more people aware of Based Xi's moves? IOW, people could be disregarding Trump's threats but seeing Xi's moves as a long-term play?
>>2516529>yangwang u9 extremethat's a really cool car but did they have to name it like some aliexpress item?
>>2516668what color is your yangwang?
>>2516668That's just your racism leaking out. I LOVE the fact that they've gave it such an unabashed obnoxiously Chinese sounding name instead of some covert western friendly cuck shit like "Nio" or "Zeeker".
Instead it's YANG motherfucking WANG (which means "Looking Forward/Up".
What's the fastest car in the world bro? Is it some overpriced European faggy porky shit like Le Bugatti hon hon hon il Lamborghini Ferrari ragazzi? No western uygha it's a MOTHER FUCKING YANG WANG LMAO. It dances on Saturday and it fucks Bugattis in the ass on Sundays. And its brother can swim in the rivers.
People used to make fun of names like Mitsubishi, Suzuki, Kawasaki and later Korean Hyundai and Hyosung, then they were silenced. And now it's time to hear "Your Nazi Porsche is pretty cool bro but my XIAOMI Su7 smokes it AND it comes with fridge and karaoke linked to my Xiaomi phone WHILE being a third of the price."
Yangwang sounds pretty funny tho
Thats a selling point, I can see it
>>2516710based, redpilled and uncucked take
>>2516715It reminds me of Mitsubishi having to rename the Pajero a Montero because 'pajero' means masturbator in Spanish.
Except you kinda know what you're getting into as a Westoid when you get the Yangwang.
>c'mon gurl check out my yungwang guuurl lets toy around in my yangwang
KEK, they should never change the name, its so fucking based
Xi should do the funny thing: every time Trump lies and says a deal is imminent, add an extra economic blow.
>>2516991China is baiting Trump to start WW3, holy shit
>>2516031no the other anon is right, you are literally stupid. building 1 means you are somewhere between 0 and 1. Like 0.25 or 0.75.
>>2516743but we USAnos have so much oil anon. we have so much oil anon. we need the oil anon. solar doesn't work. nuclear doesn't work. wind doesn't work. only oil works. you've been brainwashed by big lithium.
I'm studying up on Chinese Feminism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao_Meili>Xiao Meili began advocating for gender equality in 2012. In an interview with Guangzhou Youth Daily, she dedicated this start to a series of discussions about gender and gender inequality organized by non-governmental charity organizations that she attended in university. She has organized several campaigns to fight against sexual violence, defend women's rights, and advocate for feminist discussions.[5] Apart from campaigns, Xiao Meili set up a feminist group in 2015 in Guangzhou that holds regular discussions and activities about gender inequality and is also part of a Beijing-based feminist group called BCome.
<Bloody Wedding Dress>Xiao Meili's first campaign was on Valentine's Day in 2012 with two friends to protest against domestic violence.[7] They paraded on a famous pedestrian street in Beijing wearing wedding dresses smeared with fake blood and holding signs such as "love is not an excuse for violence" to denounce violence in intimate relationships.[8] This campaign, also called "The Wounded Bride," led to the creation of the "bloody wedding dress" meme in China that was used to protest against domestic violence online.[9]
<Bald Sisters>On August 30, 2012, Xiao Meili and three friends, including Li Tingting and Liang Xiaowen, shaved their heads in public to protest against the lower college entrance exam scores required for male students compared to female students for admission into certain programs. They expressed their dissatisfaction about the ambiguous guidelines given by the Ministry of Education on the specific universities and programs approved to enforce a higher admission standard for women and their reasons for doing so.[10] This campaign received support from three women who followed in shaving their heads, the Feminist Voices on the Chinese social media platform Sina Weibo, and various organizations who sent further applications to the Ministry of Education asking for the disclosure of this information and organized other activities raising awareness about the gender discrimination in university admission standards.[8][11] In October 2012, the Ministry of Education issued a response disclosing the specific programs that can restrict admission based on gender are limited to three categories: specific professions (national defence, military, and public security), arduous majors (including mining and maritime), and gender-balanced programs (including broadcasting and non-universal languages). In May of 2013, the Ministry of Education set new regulations that prohibit university programs, excluding the three specific professions, from increasing the admission standard for women and refusing admission based on gender.[11]
<"The Vagina Monologues">Xiao Meili, as a member of a feminist group in Beijing called BCome, was a screenwriter and lead actress in the Chinese adaptation of The Vagina Monologues.[6][12] BCome modified the play to highlight common experiences of Chinese women regarding gender, sex, and sexuality for the purpose of public education through interactions with the audience and uncensored stories about topics such as virginity and rape.[12][13] Starting from January 2013, they have held more than 10 performances of The Vagina Monologues in L.G.B.T. centers, cafes, art centers, and other unofficial theatres.[13]
<Beautiful Feminist Walk>In response to a number of sexual assault and physical abuse cases involving primary school children in 2013,[14] Xiao Meili set out on a 2,000 km walk through five provinces from Beijing, China to Guangzhou, China to raise awareness for sexual assault and to change victim-blaming tendencies.[15] The walk, which lasted from September 2013 to March 2014,[15] acted as a way to reclaim the public roads as a place safe for women and to contest the notion that women should stay indoors to avoid sexual abuse.[14] At each city she passed, she gathered signatures and sent letters to local officials to advocate for better safety and sex education, more support for sexual assault victims, vetting processes for teachers, and improved measures in preventing sexual assault, especially concerning children.[14][16] For the 165 letters Xiao Meili sent, she received more than 2,000 signatures and replies from a few local governments promising action.[17] She received several requests for interviews and public talks to share her messages and also support from local residents, who joined for portions of the walk, offered accommodation, and donated money.[14][17]
<Armpit Hair Contest>In May 2015, Xiao Meili started a two-week-long contest on Sina Weibo that encouraged women to share pictures of their armpits.[18] Her goal of the photo contest was to spark debate about gender inequality[19] and challenge beauty standards.[20] Xiao Meili launched this following the Chinese government's brief arrest of five women's rights activists just days before International Women's Day.[21] This group of women—Li Tingting (李婷婷), Wei Tingting (韦婷婷), Zheng Churan (郑楚然), Wu Rongrong (武嵘嵘), and Wang Man (王曼)—are commonly known as the "Feminist Five."[22] The contest garnered more than 1.2 million views, 1,150 comments, and around 40 submissions, including photos from Wei Tingting, Li Tingting, and Zheng Churan.[23] In compliance with the message of the campaign, the winners were given prizes of condoms, vibrators, or female urination devices for use while standing.[18] Xiao Meili's activism campaigns are funded from online personal donations,[24] specifically from her Beautiful Feminist Walk for the prizes in this case.[25]
<"A Little Pastoral">In June 2019, Xiao Meili worked with Zhang Leilei and Tian Zuoyi to create the podcast "A Little Pastoral" (有点田园). They co-host the podcasts to speak on issues about gender and feminism mainly focusing on personal stories and cases in the news. The podcast reached 25,000 listeners at the beginning of 2020.[26]
<Against sexual harassment>In early 2018, Xiao Meili participated in activism to combat sexual harassment faced by women using public transportation.[27] She cited Simone de Beauvoir's The Second Sex as a strong influence in shaping her activist work.[3] >>2517106china is not literally living in 2050
>>2517110>On August 30, 2012, Xiao Meili and three friends, including Li Tingting and Liang Xiaowen, shaved their heads in public to protest against the lower college entrance exam scores required for male students compared to female students for admission into certain programs. They expressed their dissatisfaction about the ambiguous guidelines given by the Ministry of Education on the specific universities and programs approved to enforce a higher admission standard for women and their reasons for doing so.[10] This campaign received support from three women who followed in shaving their heads, the Feminist Voices on the Chinese social media platform Sina Weibo, and various organizations who sent further applications to the Ministry of Education asking for the disclosure of this information and organized other activities raising awareness about the gender discrimination in university admission standards.[8][11] In October 2012, the Ministry of Education issued a response disclosing the specific programs that can restrict admission based on gender are limited to three categories: specific professions (national defence, military, and public security), arduous majors (including mining and maritime), and gender-balanced programs (including broadcasting and non-universal languages). In May of 2013, the Ministry of Education set new regulations that prohibit university programs, excluding the three specific professions, from increasing the admission standard for women and refusing admission based on gender.[11] What tyrannical regime!
>>2516601This is so grim to think about. 3 more years of this shit.
>>2517160All of this has less to do with Trump than the US being a crumbling empire ran by incompetent people. Just because Trump is head clown doesn't make any of the rest of them much less clownish. So the next president won't turn this around.
>>2517131Wait. Its that easy? No Chinese Gamergate? No incel mass shootings? No reactionary wave? No rise of the Chinese Alt Right????
People say thing sucks and then it gets…. changed to be more progressive???? WITH NO CULTURE WAR?
>>2517162It wasn't even bad to begin with. Discrimination against women - in military, police and mining; and it seems like actors and translators and diplomats that had fixed gender ratios, i.e. if they were full with women at 80% (hypothetically, i assume it was 50/50), they still had to enroll 20% men
>>2517161Tech bros rose up with Trump. I didn't see Jensen Huang dining with Biden or Elon Musk controlling Kamala. I don't remember Bidencoin or Huntercoin like Trumpcoin and Melaniacoin.
I'm not defending Blinken and buddies, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying these clowns made it much, much worse instead of simply backtracking.
>>2516580Called it.
>>2517167is it time to invest in bitcoin since the market is going down?
>>2517168Bullcopers say "yes". They think this was planned.
But I think the charade is over fam. Just get gold.
>>2517167The degree of insider trading that’s going on in the Trump admin is like nothing we seen before. It’s completely the case that the nerd reich is allied with Trump and integrated into his admin (literally, see crypto and AI czar). But he also gives them direct prior knowledge of whatever policy is he going to announce. The liquidation here went directly to them. This crash enriched Trump allies by several billion dollars today alone.
>>2517168Could be going down further, could be going back up. Crypto and the stock market are casinos. The only thing that sure now, or has been since 2017, is that crypto follows the stock market to a tee, if the NASDAQ crashes then both die at the same time.
>>2517173Gold is already at an ATH like after 2008. It could to up further, but when the stock market stabilizes after this current turndown is over then its gonna go back down again. Or it will never go back down again because Trump is crashing the US with no survivors.
>>2517179>>2517173
> Crypto and the stock market are casinos.its a casino that guarantees long term returns in investments if you hold. (mutual funds for stock investment and well uh look at the bitcoin image)
But i do wonder if i missed my chance and its now going to go down the drain soon
>>2517183> go down the drain soongo down the drain permantly soon
>>2517183It guaranteed long-term returns because the US Empire was stable. For example, back in the days of the Dotcom and 2008 crash, All World ETFs outperformed the US stock market. While you had zero growth in the US from 2001-2009, people in other markets got atleast 14% annual returns, until the US stock market picked up steam again in the Obama years. If you were riding the post-war Japanese wave, you must've felt like a genius tenfolding your investments from 1960-1990 until the Lost Decade hit.
>>2517188>It guaranteed long-term returns because the US Empire was stableyeah and thats why im wondering if I missed my chance. Im gonna see if i can invest in chinese companies.
>>2517190You sure can, theres probably Emerging Market ETFs with Chinese stocks. Never put all your eggs in the same basket. But, you've also got to consider the political climate of countries, if Xi suddenly dies and a communist hardliner takes power, then your stock could be seized. Thats why theres ex China funds, without Chinese stocks, as porky sees that as a real risk.
>>2517193I will consider your words porky poster. Emerging market etfs with or without china will be on my radar
>>2517194I would just put it into an All World Fund. If that goes down then its either WW3, Climate Collapse or World Revolution Time.
If you want to buy an ETF, and I mean any, look for services that don't demand high fees, fees will cut into your profits. And actively managed funds are stupid, they never outperform normal ETFs in the long run and have even higher fees.
>>2517190China's not a long-term investment if you want to buy and sell. In 20 years, US stocks rose 5x, while China's only 1.5x. I assume they pay their dividends and don't pull any tricks on you, though
>>2517196>all world fundwriting that down. Anything else I should know?
>>2517198okay so its either all world fund or etfs, then
>>2517126Factually incorrect, Mr. Caveman!
>>2516998Trump will cuck out.
>>2516504Is this it? Will this be the moment of no return for the Burger Reich or will Trump and Xi just make a deal?
>>2517272Americans will beg to rename Chinese demands into suggestions, and American adherence to those demands as willful gesture of friendship
>>2517288>Why didnt communist leaders of the past simply do this?Too small, not enough population, too reliant on soviet union.
>>2517201>>all world fundWhich is basically all WESTERN world fund. So aside from ww3 and climate catastrophe you also need to afraid about burger collapse…
>>2516601Isnt that a bit of bullshit though? If they didnt spend hundred of billions on Ai they would spend it on whatever else so GDP wouldnt be 0.1
They say that by the year 2050, China will finally have the technology to put pee pee in Coke.
>>2517162>Chinese Gamergatethe most relevant meme i could think of is 有男不玩
>rise of the Chinese Alt Rightsomewhat exists, yet too small to be counted, whatever could is not really alt right by us standards anyway
>CULTURE WARcertainly yes, red sister is like our own 🤏, but not exactly like english internet, more or less like sk or japan, too complicated to explain
>>2517335>>2517288Revisionism. Stalin did that, results were pretty similar, with the exception of imperialists being stronger and more willing to go to crusades against communism
Black Myth Wukong was great and I bet Black Myth Zhong Kui will be even better, it might even bri bg us socialism
>>2516504>how dare they retaliate to the trade war we started, they are weaponizing our own hostility against us. it's so unfair. billions must dieThese people aren't hated enough.
>>2516506>Why don't they just get the Germanium from Germany instead?the west wants to finish plundering everyone else's natural resources before they start dipping into their own.
>>2517288>Why didnt communist leaders of the past simply do this?Because they were small, weak, and/or semi-feudal, constantly under siege. I keep analogizing the early attempts at socialism with the maritime merchant republics of the late medieval period. Capitalism took centuries to finally finish emerging from its egg shell and replace feudalism. But somehow people treat prototypes of socialism as the final word in its emergence. We're just getting started.
>>2517173Dumb question: why do people dump big tech stock? It seems to me that waiting out any crash is still going to be profitable eventually. Is it that people are expecting the big tech companies to go bankrupt or something?
>>2517771If Open AI can’t got public and be in the green financially it’ll take every tech company down with it, to bankruptcy, the US government will have to bail them out like the banks in 2008
>>2517771They've never been independently profitable, relying on constant cash infusions from investors or the government on the promise of future profitability. When the post 2008 easy money ran out during covid, the tech sector tanked and we're still dealing with the fallout.
>>2516506Or Gallium from France
What is the appropiate method to dengpill normies?
>>2518048remembering them about where they live in
it's not that hard
>>2518048China is leading in 57 out of 64 top technologies. Comparatively, USA has nothing left to lead in except AI
But U.S. negotiators under Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick tried to play hardball. In late September, during the talks, they imposed further restrictions on China:
On September 29, 2025, the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) released a long-anticipated interim final rule (IFR) that will result in the most dramatic expansion of U.S. export control regulations in years. The IFR, “Expansion of End-User Controls To Cover Affiliates of Certain Listed Entities,” extends export restrictions to any company owned 50% or more, directly or indirectly, by any of the thousands of entities already designated on several Commerce and Treasury Department lists.
The IFR would also impose a new duty on exporters to investigate the ownership of an end user where there is reason to believe a designated entity holds a minority stake, or is affiliated with, the end user, subject to a strict liability standard for violations.
The new measures would severely restrict any export of high tech goods to China.
The country responded in kind:
Chinese Commerce Ministry (MOFCOM) announced on Thursday that in order to safeguard national security and interests, the ministry will impose export controls on rare earth-related technologies, including rare earth mining, smelting and separation, magnetic material manufacturing, and rare earth secondary resource recycling.
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Technologies and relevant date related to rare earth mining, smelting and separation, metal smelting, magnetic material manufacturing, and rare earth secondary resource recycling, as well as the assembly, debugging, maintenance, repair, and upgrade of related production lines are prohibited from export without permission, the statement said.
Rare earth elements are used in many U.S. weapons. Each F-35 fighter jet includes some 418 kilogram of rare earth elements, a U.S. destroyer 2,600 kg, a nuclear submarines 4,800 kg. The U.S. has currently no means to produce these themselves.
There was more to the new Chinese regulation than it seemed:
This is actually big, potentially huge, notably because China’s new rare earth export controls include a provision (point 4 here:
https://mofcom.gov.cn/zwgk/…) whereby anyone using rare earths to develop advanced semiconductors (defined as 14nm-and-below) will require case-by-case approval.
Which effectively gives China de-facto veto power over the entire advanced semi-conductor supply chain as rare earths are used at critical steps throughout – from ASML (who use rare earths for magnets in their lithography machines:
https://asml.com/en/news/storie…) to TSMC.
The export controls are also extra-territorial: foreign entities must obtain Chinese export licenses before re-exporting products manufactured abroad if they contain Chinese rare earth materials comprising 0.1% or more of the product’s value.
So China is effectively mirroring the US semiconductor export controls that were used against them, with its own comprehensive extraterritorial control regime, except with rare earths.
The most advanced semiconductors produced today also use some rare-earth elements. Under China’s new rules each chip sale will need to be licensed by China to ensure that it will not be used for military purposes. If the new rules are handled strictly the U.S. AI-boom will soon go bust.
Lol, lmao even. Using interpol and shit to extraterriorially shutdown Taiwan separatism
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-issues-bounty-taiwan-psyops-unit-separatism-2025-10-11/BEIJING/TAIPEI, Oct 11 (Reuters) – Chinese police on Saturday offered rewards of $1,400 for information about 18 people it said were Taiwanese military psychological operations officers spreading “separatist” messages, a day after Taiwan pledged to boost its defences.
China views democratically-governed Taiwan as its own territory, over the strong objections of the government in Taipei, and has increased its military and political pressure against the island.
>>2518069>being outraged by a headlineFuck off, liberal.
What were the complaints? I'm not going to assume they're bullshit before I hear them.
The only downside about China's move is that it happened on a Friday, so if you're terminally online like me, you have to wait with bated breath a few days to see more burger meltdowns. Apparently the bond market has a holiday on Monday, too.
>>2518102im pretty sure this is irony dude
>Amerikkkans think Chynah is collapsing from having a trade war with them
>Westoid socialist larpers think Chynah isn't hurting with its people's wage labour economy from being in a trade war with the largest most destructive empire currently
Get me off these vibes based politics
>>2518896The second is a fiction
Nobody thinks this won't hurt China, it just won't hurt enough to matter compared to the pain the rare earth restrictions will deliver to the USA
That and if china didn't hit back the USA would just keep sneaking around doing shit anyway>>2518895
First point is a touchdown on the other hand
>>2518899Go back to your zigger countainment board instead of making shit up, burger
>>2518896Trade Wars don't have winners, but they do have clear losers. People aren't cheering for China's victory but rather for further collapse of the US.
>>2518896Communist China is not hurt at all by tariffs. Communism is not contingent on feeding americans. Communist China is actually stronger because they dont have to devote humankind's resources to americans. China won the previous round because the Chinese Communist stock market outperformed all capitalist markets.
>>2518902Wrong. In this war there is a winner and a loser.
>>2518908>>2518925>Communism is when stock goes upAyo I didn't know we were living in a world that is communist already
>>2518930Now you say Communism does not exist. This is wrong. The Communist camp is real and prosperous
>>2518896Are you fucking retarded? 40% of the US stock market is AI. No rare earths, no chips, no GPUs, it all implodes.
>>2516374i am just amazed at how the first strike was a such crippling blow absolute master class better than i could have imagined.
>>2516522>he didn't buy red chip stocksngmi lel
the biggest misstep of the CCP today is that they are also buying into the stupid LMM/AI hype
>>2518889The problem is that his Truth Social lies make the markets rally, and I'm sick of it. I want a full market meltdown.
>>2517168it kinda follows the rest of the market now because hedgies put pensions into it
>>2519419>I want a full market meltdown.Will never happen because the stock market is a simulacrum.
>>2517198it doesn't really go up, but it doesn't go down either
I'm thinking China shouldn't bother releasing trade-war statements anymore. Give Trump and his MAGAtards absolutely nothing to spin into a Chinese concession/retreat. Max pressure.
>Do nothing, win ;)
>>2519455That's really interesting, thanks for sharing. They're always thinking long term. There's a lot more to the winning than doing nothing, but they make it look like they're doing nothing. They make it look easy.
>>2519461What's darkly amusing is that it's really clear that China and its accomplishments makes the likes of Musk and Thiel impotently seethe. In their minds, they're the ubermenschen whose will and vision have worked wonders, and if they were only allowed more freedom to do as they pleased then they could really show these satanic communists a thing or two about a thing or two.
But in reality everything they do to try and "free" themselves from the shackles of the tyranny of government oversight or democratic corruption of
their government just ensures that they never, ever can, and never, ever will.
Okay, I guess I was wrong about China going for the economic kill shot. It's spent the weekend helping Trump calm nerves.
>>2519354Why is the girl bruised? Did someone hit her?
>>2519722THat's obviously a birthmark your spas.
>>2519333It's not a misstep. As long as they can skip on the hype train and snake oil, and focus on implementing long-term solutions with AI, it's a truly revolutionary technology. It's like how the dot-com bubble burst didn't stop the internet from taking over everything in the long run.
>>2519724Sorry, my bad.
floooooooood >>2516833You are the retard. In Communist China, the socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The people’s democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on an alliance of workers and peasants, which in essence is a dictatorship of the proletariat, has been consolidated and developed.
>>2519454The reason they give MAGAtards cope fuel is because keeping Trump and MAGAtards in power is good. They will keep making stupid/seemingly random decisions that will sink America without China needing to expend the cost that comes with max pressure.
>>2519769>they are missing… *something*Incredible levels of cope
>>2519354Don't know if this is okay or not, on one hand a lot of children have similar reactions to breaking favorite toys, on the other hand this one is talking to her like it's a human and these toys could potentially replace interacting with other children.
>>2519768anon, that guy is probably a baiter
>>2519768You are wrong on multiple levels. Stop spreading lies about Communism. Firstly, I copy and paste directly from the Constitution of Communist China. This phony stagist line is not the official theory of the Communist Party. The creator of this phony three stagism admits it "follows a very different line" from the Communist Party, but also that it "differs in important respects" from Communist China's on-the-ground economic reality. Theory that fails to correspond to the material and economic base it seeks to describe is idealism. This phony three stage theory is a prescriptive checklist divorced from reality. This immediately nullifies all validity and disqualifies it as a representation of the CPC's theoretical framework.
<THIS PAPER FOLLOWS a very different line from China’s official classification of the primary stage of socialism in terms of productivity and standard of living, which in turn differs in important respects from current economic developments in China. https://dn720006.ca.archive.org/0/items/on-the-three-stages-in-the-development-of-socialism/On%20the%20Three%20Stages%20in%20the%20Development%20of%20Socialism.pdf >>2517347We shal
>pee peesee
>>2519816This is objectively good for the Dutch people and we should support it. Nationalization and expropriate everything. Maybe when China realizes all their overseas investments can be seized they will stop with their retarded export-based model and go back to war communism.
>>2519835>retarded export-based model and go back to war communism.export based model works though
>>2519835>This is objectively good for the Dutch people They're not doing it for the benefit of the Dutch people. Perhaps this maneuver should be called "Americanization" instead of "Nationalization".
>Maybe when China realizes all their overseas investments can be seized They know since this happened with some Indian and African investments already. However those were smaller ventures since they were aware of the risks.
This Dutch shit though? They certainly didn't expect a once trustworthy and stable 1st world European partner to pull this African warlord-tier shit. China is experiencing what Russia went through 3 years ago. This will definitely lead to sidelining Europe as a whole. Not just by China but by any rising global south country.
>>2520151I look like that and say that.
>>2519845>This Dutch shit though? They certainly didn't expect a once trustworthy and stable 1st world European partner to pull this African warlord-tier shit.>Oh lord a bourgeois imperialist country in the heart of western Europe betrayed the people's republic! *faints*Revisionism = brainrot
>>2520151its funny how you have to plaster badly cropped ads pics on the china picture, and still dont have anywhere close to the density of ads in america
I know this kind of shit never goes well on here but does anyone have an article (or any text that's not outright book-length) with the best arguments that China actually intends and will be capable of achieving "full socialism by 2035" (or however long it takes)?
I'm genuinely only curious about what the strongest arguments are from the best advocates for the position, which is what one should seek out when investigating any position. I'm not trying to start another useless fight about a tired subject on /leftypol/, I swear.
>>2520442> "full socialism by 2035"what does that even mean? they feel they have achieved a "moderately prosperous society in all aspect" and now the goal is to keep up the economic development while focusing more on improving quality of life and social services, and have the economic development be more focused on services, high tech and high value ("high quality development")
you seem to want some clear roadmap to utopia, but this is not how socialist construction is done, and "china" or even the CPC are not some monolithic entities with a precise step by step plan set in stone (and you have to remember there is significant local autonomy and governance). If you want to know more about how they think about their own development and their mechanisms for achieving socialist advancement, I recommend taking a look at tricontinental "Wenhua Zongheng"
https://thetricontinental.org/wenhua-zongheng/for example I found this article in particular very interesting
https://thetricontinental.org/wenhua-zongheng-2025-1-industrial-policy-chinese-characteristics/ >>2520478quote from the article
>When Lenin said that ‘Not a single book has been written about state capitalism under communism’, he wasn’t just pointing out that socialism had no pre-designed blueprint. He was also warning those who came after the October Revolution that socialists must start from scratch, with no ready-made answers. Practice has proven that neither Russia nor China could directly transition to ‘complete socialism’ in an underdeveloped industrial environment but had to go through ‘…a series of varied, imperfect, and concrete attempts to create this or that socialist state’. Therefore, socialism is an inherently experimental movement, and it could be argued that China’s reform and opening up in the 1980s is an expression of this spirit of experimentation. >>2520478I think you're being a little uncharitable about my post which was of course worded in an informal and unrigorous manner. I'm basically interested in what the level of the party's commitment to socialism actually is (I think it's reasonable to talk about this in the abstract even if the party is not an entity) and how likely it is to achieve the goals it has committed to vis-a-vis socialism. Nonetheless I appreciate the links and I'll give them a read.
>>2520442Your demand for a "holy proof" is idealism, however the closest thing to this is the Constitution of Communist China. No "argument" from article of a pseud can possibly hold more power as a testament to the completeness of Socialism in China than these words: The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The people’s democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on an alliance of workers and peasants, which in essence is a dictatorship of the proletariat, has been consolidated and developed.
>>2519816The US is using its vassals to probe whether Chinese officials are going to tolerate the salami slicing that timid Russian officials tolerate.
>>2520442>the best arguments that China actually intendsthere isn't really a way to know there intentions we can only look at their past actions
>"full socialism by 2035" (or however long it takes)?its supposed to be 2050
>will be capable of achieving if we look at their 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 year plans you can see that they set explicit goals and then crush them by like 250% efficiency years before the due date, look at poverty, space, or strategic resources for examples
>>2520637Dengism AKA PoMo Kautskyism
>>2520648Kautsky was the most respected international authority on Marxism until Lenin.
>>2520657Kautskyism-Dengism-Dunning-Krugerism
the truth is china is classical fascist
China's exports in September:
>to USA: -27%
>to the rest of the world: +8.3%
>>2520665Tbe truth is, you are a classical retard.
>>2520696the truth is, you fell for bait.
>>2520665It's just regular capitalism. The US and its zionist vassal states like Pissrael and El Salvador are classic fascists.
>>2520702how do you explain the uyghur camps though
>>2520706There are no uyghur camps and you are just retarded.
>>2520717>Look there are satellite images of buildings and the bbc my favourite non-biased source reports on itHard cope
>>2520721>CNN, my favourite non-biased source from a country no one has heard about and has no interest in destroying Chynah, says the same thing! It has to be true!!!!Lmao
>>2520723Okay but anti cnn says the same thing thoughbeit
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-xinjiang-uyghur-genocide-leakthe entire us media wouldnt lie
>>2520725why would they lie? I trust the media just like i trust the gov
>>2520790It's just blatant bait why respond
>>2520866That's not even a UK court, the glowie org just set up their own 'court' lol
>>2520866Isn't it interesting how in pictures of Uyghur women protesting in the west or elsewhere they almost never wear their headscarf the way that Uyghur women in China do?
I wonder why that is
>>2520880the article even said so. its findings have no legal force and non binding.
i once saw sir geffry nice give a lecture on china organ harvesting. the whole case was basically provided by falun gong. while he might be a nice chap and knowledgeable about the common law, he's been involved with the prosecution of slobadon milosevic, and all the usual glowie funded stuff
>>2520648the scroll mostly contains quotes from Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin, showing how they are more "Dengist" than Deng himself.
>>2520882Because they are not living in China? It's not really the gotcha you think it is.
>>2521353people are still buying the Xinjiang shit after 6 years of no proof even though the allegations originally came from a burger Christian evangelical who said God sent him on a mission to destroy the PRC, a man whose dubious claims were instantly and unconditionally repeated by all major US media with zero criticism or skepticism? that's very sad.
>>2521417do they have their own office suite or are they using like odt or something?
>>2521417Maybe we'll get some new OS' out of China in the future.
>>2521451I’m switching to steamOS
tbh i'm not enthusiastic about chinese software. when it comes to tech the chinese follow the lead of westerners for whatever reason instead of designing unique solutions with usability and practicality in mind. for example the fact that they have also forced AI into many fields most worryingly surveillance
Is anyone relevant in China talking about instituting labor vouchers or any other scheme to decommidify segments of the economy, are there plans to reduce working hours, will they allow independent unions, or anything semi-socialist at all, or is everyone who calls China socialist just Matt Bruenig.
>>2520637It's dishonest to quote mine Marx and Engels about lower stage socialism when they assumed it would happen after a global proletariat revolution which obviously hasn't happened. They thought socialism in one country was impossible because it would die out upon contact with capitalist markets elsewhere. In the Germany ideology they talk at length about how it's a world historic movement not something that happens in some random country because of universal capitalist conditions that sucks everyone into it.
After that you might as well just say you think they were fundamentally wrong.
no more cooking oil for china
>>2521508Labour vouchers are bourgeois. Socialist commodity production is perfect. China already has socialist working hours. China is fully socialist.
>>2521539this really is the answer. people truly underestimate how profoundly the industrialization/proletarianization of SEA and Africa will effect imperialism
>>2521508>After that you might as well just say you think they were fundamentally wrong.it depends on what you think was fundamental to their argument, if you think the particular prediction that advanced economies would have a revolution first is more fundamental than the analysis of the development of economic forces and social relations leading to the falling rate of profit and crises then you would probably say that
>the dutch government just took over an entire microchip factory owned by a Chinese factory over fear of "getting spied on" and china cutting off semi-conductors from europeSo much for capitalism and muh freemarket
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/netherlands-seizes-chinese-microchip-maker-103425985.html >>2521508>After that you might as well just say you think they were fundamentally wrong.nah
>>2522268Nobody cares how you feel. Back to your containment thread /ISG/oid.
>>2522268its like im back in 2015
So they have skittles in china? Probably right?
>>2522323Millions of people died in the Great Leap Forward and the GCPR and this is the result?
>>2522323Nice I love skittles and I'm glad our comrades over there get to eat them too
>>2522324Neither of those things had millions dead
>>2522268More redditfag propaganda. These were the “Taiwanese” Foxconn factories that were exposed by the CPC
>>2520721Hi Agent Kochinski
>>2520721>cnn, cfr, nedAll propaganda outlets
>>2522077>Give the Nobel Econ prize to economists who helped produce tangible results instead of abstract mathematical proofs on how great the market system isNot gon happen
>>2522077>A 2023 study by the journal Nature found that an astounding 702 out of 736 laureates in science and economics came from the same “academic family,” connected in their histories by academic links – relationships of the students-of-students sort. Only 34 laureates have come from outside this family.This is true for all sciences because retards love to give each other awards. That's how we get to the point when to dismiss a failed theory for real you have to wait until retards who believe in it die out
>>2522077…and then the article goes into "le corruption is the worst evil!" route and I stopped reading
>>2522077True communists refuse the nobel prize
>>2520895>the article even said so. its findings have no legal force and non binding. only biding is the NED money, thus making them sockpuppets.
https://archive.ph/55A3F“While China has taken a number of retaliatory trade actions against the United States, Europe, Canada, Australia and others in recent years, this move is not proportional retaliation. It is an exercise in economic coercion on every country in the world,” said Greer.
😂 😆
When is anything considered “socialism” what does it actually look like in a Marxist state?
>>2523439Socialism looks like pic 1
Capitalism (in crisis) looks like pic 2 and
>>2523397 >>2521508>It's dishonest to quote mine Marx and Engels about lower stage socialism not quote mining. you see any quotation whatsoever as quote mining and always allude to a context it's been taken out of but can't prove that context
>when they assumed it would happen after a global proletariat revolution they never say "global proletariat revolution" this and i challenge you to find a quote where they say this. remember to provide a real source. no chatGPT that makes up quotes from works that don't exist without links.
Even something as rudimentary as Chapter II of the Manifesto talks about seizing the property of emigrants and rebels. Emigrants to where? Other nations. Marx is explicitly saying you will have reactionary gusanos running away to other countries where proletarian revolution hasn't happened yet. The proletarian revolution happens on a nation by nation basis, not everywhere simultaneously. This is why China is defending its own revolutionary gains and waiting on you to have revolutions in your own imperialist countries instead of doing it for you. Revolutionary defeatism is the duty of the imperial core proletariat, and the duty of the proletariat living under comprador regimes in the periphery, not the duty of the AES proletariat.
https://www.marxists.org/admin/books/manifesto/Manifesto.pdf >>2521508> They thought socialism in one country was impossible because it would die out upon contact with capitalist markets elsewhere.socialism in one country was not an idea they had an opinion on because it didn't exist when they were alive.
> In the Germany ideology they talk at length about how it's a world historic movement not something that happens in some random country because of universal capitalist conditions that sucks everyone into it.provide evidence of this claim instead of vaguely alluding to it while calling actual sourced quotes "quote mining". you hold yourself to lower standards then "quote miners" who actually provide quotes and sources while you just go "in this work they kinda talk about x y z i guess i'm not gonna direct quote lololol"
>After that you might as well just say you think they were fundamentally wrong.they were right but you call quotes of them quote mining so…
>>2523486>Manifesto talks about seizing the property of emigrants and rebelsThis should also be expanded to "taxing capitalists and abolishing taxes for the poor" and "abolishing voting rights for capitalists and other owning classes and giving electoral preferences to poor people", like Soviets have done it
>>2523439Do the herculean task of reading Marx and you won't have to get scammed / have your life ruined by the sea of revisionist parasites interested having your labor power going to the bourgeoisie they're invested in.
>>2523490if you actually quote marx it's called quote mining. if you vaguely allude to your own opinion and pretend it was his you're the real marx understander. that's how it works around here.
>>2523490Notice that this answer by an "anti revisionist" poster is also a complete deflection because he/she, like all anti-revisionists, cannot elaborate on what a socialist state would actually look like.
>>2523278Did they expect that China would have those Russian kid gloves?
>>2523495It would look like the Soviet Union under Stalin
>>2523553Heart of a revolutionary from 20th century
>>2523603wait that's Lutnick, I'm retarded
https://www.newsweek.com/india-overtakes-china-in-world-air-force-ranking-10882624How the fuck is this even possible? If true, China is so cooked. Outmatched by poo country with much smaller economy. Imagine if their economies were equal.
>>2523631On another note, I wonder how demographics will shape things going forward in regards to India and China. India will be about double china's population at the end of the century. How important is population size in regards to power and growth? Is China due to decline while India rises?
>>2523631>USA namba wan, and US fleet namba tu!!!1Pffft ahahaha
Yeah nah, buddy
>>2523765How will Japanazis ever recover
>>2523553LMAO, his first name 成钢 literally translates to "become steel".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Chenggang >>2523765M-muh honorary white Japs!
>>2523631…was this article written by an Indian?
>>2523784He most likely changed his name to that. A lot of CCP officials do that
>>2524410>…was this article written by an Indian?<By Amir DaftariIranian.
<The surname Daftari is of Persian origin and is derived from the word "daftar," meaning "office" or "registry." It is an occupational surname typically associated with individuals who worked in administrative or bureaucratic roles, such as clerks or record keepers. The name signifies a family's historical connection to such professions and may have been passed down through generations. >>2522268>foxconn nets Hello 2016?
China doesn’t exist, it’s a fiction created by the military industrial complex and government to justify their positions and secure contracts, stop talking about it, focus on your neighbors and coworkers
>>2524969>China doesn’t existthe absolute state of westoids
>>2524982This frame of thought is the only way to get westoids to organize and actually stay focused on their own class war, if they’ve never been to china, never met a chinese person, and can’t understand the language, the place might as well be fictional
>>2523631China doesn't spend much on their military. Always consistently below 2% of gdp. This is how you know the CPC has zero plans to go to war for the forseeable future.
>>2525028They do, actually. It's just that their game plan is to get their shit kicked in for 12-18 months until the other side runs out of ammo, then kick the other side's shit in until they run out of money.
In Russia, the opening stages of the Great Patriotic War are seen as a disaster, but in China, they're seen as "just as planned" and how to do war fighting on a shoestring budget.
>>2525029Stop coping Langley. China has zero interest in going to war. Their richest cities are their coastal cities which are all within missile range of Taiwan/Japan/South Korea and which would all be devastated and take the most damage within the first 24h of a war. If China was truly intent on going to war they would be extensively fortifying but they're not because no one in their leadership wants to go to war. There are hundreds of different factors that you can use to easily predict China ramping up for war and basically none of those conditions have been met yet.
>>2525029Fuck's a cuc/k/ doing in here?
>>2525032China doesn't want to spend the money and create an uncontrollable arms race. The entire point of "get bombed, then win" is that it reduces your cost and allows you to avoid creating strong military threats in neighbors or rivals.
It basically means, China can spend half or less the US does on its military and still expect to win.
>>2525032The rich coastal cities are booj parks; they can get bombed and it wouldn't be such a big deal because the supply chains are around the cities and further inland.
Opening a war on Taiwan is 100% in the cards, the point isn't to take the island, but either: draw the USN into the area, allowing them to be destroyed, if the PLARF is strong enough, or sever Taiwanese fabs or even blow them up, crippling the Western economy.
If China's war footing is "absorb the first blow, then take the fight to the enemy", China can win a war with the US because the US has much worse financials than China does because while both have huge amounts of debt, only China has huge amounts of assets to more than fully cover the debt.
>>2525040China's military is already stronger than America's.
>>2525040>>2525043>This is your brain on American propagandaDude stop embarrassing yourself. Have you ever set foot in China in your entire life? Have you ever visited any of their major cities and noticed that they have virtually zero anti air guns/emplacements and anti drone defenses set up near their population centers? You know, the sort of basic and normal militarization you would expect to see if the Pentagon wasn't lying out of their ass and China truly was intending to take Taiwan within the next 3 years?
China is not going to war for at least the next 20-30 years. They're replicating the North Korean strategy (just build up a nuke stockpile while staying pacifist forever).
>>2525049But have you considered no war experience in the last thousand years???
>>2525049It's not that China's military is stronger, it's that China's whole of nation capability is superior.
If the standing PLA had a substantial advantage over the US military, you'd see China launching provocations and trying to drag the US into battle. Russia would be flooded with J-20s and J-35s, and the Chinese economy would already be military Keynesian.
At 60 to 70% the real spending level of the USN, with deficits in VLS counts, fifth gen counts, and so on, I don't see it.
It's a "don't lose catastrophically day 1, then win once the war of attrition begins" type of army. It means you save a lot of money in paying standing forces, you can focus the cost savings on military R&D, and your "industrial capability is the real superweapon" weapon allows you to win wars without starting arms races.
In practice, unless the rare earths embargo by the Chinese hold post 6 months, I see China as looking to win by negotiation. If the rare earths embargo lasts long enough to disrupt military supply chains in the West, it's a golden opportunity to blockade Taiwan and see what the US does, fully prepared to fight and win.
>>2525062You're joking, but isn't military training part of the regular school curriculum in that country? I'd trust a Chinese teen way more to handle a gun than the average Amerikkkan.
>>2525065>Chinese economy would already be military Keynesian.What nonsense is this
>>2525060Actually, I've been to the bomb shelters near Beijing. China is reasonably martial and ready to fight; militia is like 8 million men strong on top of the normal PLA with 1-2 million.
>>2525065>If the standing PLA had a substantial advantage over the US military, you'd see China launching provocations and trying to drag the US into battle.Stop projecting your unhinged Western imperialist fantasies onto China. China is governed by Marxists who don't feel the need to engage in dick swinging Mearsheimer-type retarded "realism". China doesn't care about being top dog, much less ruling the entire world.
>>2525068>bomb shelters near Beijing.Those were built during the Cold War when Mao was having one of his autism moments. I'm talking about NEW defenses which don't exist because China is clearly not gearing up for any real war.
>>2525060Actually, to put it another way, China isn't planning to take Taiwan in the next few years. If you actually read my posting, you've have noticed what military scenarios I postulated.
China, in the worst case scenario, will bomb through Taiwan's semiconductor fabs, crippling Western economies and MICs. That is the plan; the island has to be won through hearts and minds, but it's a critically vulnerable node in the Western economy. Turning off its fabs would be debilitating to the West.
>>2525072China IS gearing up for real war, but in the "I go to the hospital, you go to the morgue" kind of way. It's way cheaper.
China is preparing to fight and win, but would likely prefer negotiations first. Its willingness to fight and win is what makes negotiations possible.
Wouldn't it make more sense to establish a blockade around Taiwan, cutting off all Western trade until Chynah's demands are met, instead of bombing a dense population?
>>2525060>that picThis is exactly what people mean when they meme with "Do nothing - Win". China is doing great many things but this one conflict they're winning by doing nothing about desperate glowie baits.
>>2525065>If the standing PLA had a substantial advantage over the US military, you'd see China launching provocations and trying to drag the US into battleNo I wouldn't. China is a peaceful country and history proves it. Assertions to the contrary are western vampiric projections.
>At 60 to 70% the real spending You're not worth talking to. All the printed dollars in the world can't buy you maintenance, reindustrialization and high tech from western sources. NATO spends much more on Rafales and Typhoons yet they're both inferior to J-10C.
>>2525076China is aiming to strangle Taiwan by putting Taiwan economically dependent on Mainland. Military option is only ever present because USA tries to use Taiwan to troll China
>>2525073>DA MAGICAL MCGUFFIN FABSOh my God shut the fuck up. Are we back in 2021?
>>2525076Yes. In a real war over Taiwan China would immediately blockade Taiwan to starve them out rather than launching some retarded amphibious assault. However they would be hard countered by the US Navy blockading the Malacca Strait through which 75% of Chinese imports/exports go through. Hence Chinese military strategists have already concluded that it is fucking pointless and economically ruinous to go to war, and they should just wait for America to finish dying and hopefully by then China's cultural influence will be strong enough to create peaceful reunification.
>>2525082>the US Navy blockading the Malacca Strait Malacca strait is not American to blockade. It's an insane desperate wargaming zogbot fantasy.
Also they can't. American navy is just outright shit.
>>2525077Historical victims of China (Han):
Xiongnu Confederacy
Jie barbarians
Dali Kingdom
Manchu China:
Dzunghar genocide, co-op genocide between Hans, Manchus, Uighurs
Invaded countries:
Korea (Han commanderies, then Sui Tang invasions)
Vietnam (Vietnamese history basically amounts to being occupied by the Chinese and throwing them out)
It's not so much a peaceful country, but a country whose military and political system wasn't very good at imperialism. After An Lushan, the army was deliberately crippled to prevent a repeat of the An Lushan rebellion, and the mass basis army (crossbows, then cannons) couldn't take and hold ground cheaply; logistics costs were easily obscene.
But, Han Wudi broke the Heqin system and launched aggressive attacks aimed at destroying the Xiongnu Confederacy, and was successful despite bankrupting Western Han. Qing conquests were successful because it was a non-Han army intending to win.
China can and will do preemptive strikes or force wars if it sees that it'll be advantageous. A possible Sino-American war is precisely that if negotiations don't go well.
>>2525083Sorry Langley but fortunately China is not run by retarded zoomers who fall for chatbot prompts, so your bait talking points aren't convincing because they've already run the simulations themselves and have concluded that they cannot beat the US Navy in a war, or that even if they could that the cost in terms of lives and economic development made it not worthwhile.
Cry harder. Be satisfied that you managed to bait the Russians into Ukraine which was easy because Putin is retarded. You will never bait China into attacking Taiwan.
>>2525085China's own regions were vastly more rich than whatever regions outside it's borders were. There was no point expanding. This was a standard situation for many feudal countries, in fact
>>2525082The Chinese state has at least 25 trillion USD in assets after debt. China can pay to survive a Malacca blockade.
I need to repeat this to you again, the objective in a potential Taiwan war isn't the island itself. It is either to bring the USN to fight, and destroy it, to cripple Western economies via semiconductor fab denial, or to directly bankrupt Amerikkka through attritional war fighting.
Taiwan is sort of like Israel, except basic as opposed to superstructural. It is a key American vulnerability that can force a decisive fight.
Taiwan has forfeited any right to exist as an independent state (if it ever had one) due to the White Terror it inflicted upon its population. This violence targeted both the previous native inhabitants, who were victims of genocide and now exist only in small numbers, and the Chinese. Chynah has a moral responsibility to free the people from their Western-occupied land.
>>2525088Namely because they expanded to the limits of what their empire could sustain. The Western difference was that their military culture made them superior and capable of force projection (Crusades) and they could start battering down rich non-Western empires to loot. Everything else is just superstructure (in pol language, copium).
>>2525089What is China's #1 most important and vital import in terms of national security?
You understand literally nothing about this conflict and just keep making shit up. "Dude just pay to avoid the blockade" shut the fuck up you absolute retard your post is legitimately so retarded on so many levels that it's not even worth explaining it if you can't at least answer the question I posed to you above.
>>2525087If you actually look at it as a Sino-Russian axis, Russia is winning through China. It dragged off Western attention off China for 3 years, and Trump is still trying to close down the war, because right now Europe can't trade war China because without cheap Russian gas, Germany is a joke.
>>2525094Oil is being replaced through Russia, food is being guaranteed through Russia and possibly Vietnam. An obsession with Malacca is Westoid cope.
If you're talking semiconductors, 28nm is up, and domestic DUVi is nearly ready for it. Huawei's rumored to have EUV up next year.
>>2525097WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. IT IS FOOD. FOOD IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT IMPORT FOR CHINA. CHINA'S DOMESTIC PRODUCTION IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR AUTARKY AND NEVER WILL BE. CHINA NEEDS TO TRADE WITH COUNTRIES AS FAR AWAY AS BRAZIL AND ARGENTINA IN ORDER TO MEET THEIR INTERNAL DEMAND. A BLOCKADE WOULD BE CRIPPLING.
god i fucking hate you americans. kill all americans. they understand nothing but feel the need to talk for hours about shit they haven't even done basic research on.
I think your key issue is that you're diaspora who's nice and comfy overseas when you should be thinking about going home. But then again, I detect so many crypto-liberal memes going through your head it'd probably be better for China if you ended up getting tossed in a concentration camp in the West.
Xi and Trump are negotiating at the big boys table. If there's no good deal by June, the temptation to fire the bullet and let the US burn while their semiconductor supply chain is fucked is very strong. It is perfectly winnable if China wants to go to war with the US; Malacca doesn't matter that much, because Russia replaced it.
>>2525100Lol. I remember when I was as liberal and delusional as you are. China's domestic food production, if you look at it carefully, is sufficient for vegetarian diets; there's no need to have so many pigs. And there's always Kazakhstan and Russia. Anyways, have fun libbing out, you better hope Xi gets something other than snake eyes when dealing with Trump.
China has the West by the balls, the West doesn't have China by the balls.
>>2525108RUSSIA CANNOT EVEN GUARANTEE SELF SUFFICIENCY FOR ITS OWN FOOD NEEDS DURING A LIMITED SMALL SCALE WAR WITH UKRAINE AND NEEDS TO IMPORT FROM OTHER COUNTRIES BUT YOU EXPECT THEM TO FULLY MEET CHINA'S DEMAND IN A FULL BLOWN WAR IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT RUSSIA ISN'T EVEN RANKED IN THE TOP 5 COUNTRIES FOR CHINA'S TOTAL FOOD IMPORTS? KILL YOURSELF. KILL YOURSELF. KILL YOURSELF.
>>2525100Obsessing about muh meat is american
You are american
Fuck you
Real chinese chiggas eat vegies
>>2525112You just threw a tantrum when I was just in China about a year or so back. China is golden, the party has everything handled, most things have been anticipated and planned for. You're a Hanjian, or at least an idiot who thinks that Beijing is as vulnerable to Washington as Washington is to Beijing.
Just watch Xi's behavior; he's the only guy with the balls to tell Trump to shut up and behave, and he knows it.
>>2525122fuck off retard.
the only reason I want communism worldwide is so I don't have to put up with the endless sea of RETARDS who know nothing but endlessly talk about shit they haven't researched. socialism properly implemented ensures the leadership and all high ranking positions are held by actual intelligent people and not MORONIC BRAIN DEAD nationalists like in Russia, who see wars as something that are easily controllable and winnable.
>>2525130You're not a real commie, then, because proles are generally locked in false consciousness. You're at best a kiddie who needs to be sent to the countryside to help underprivileged rural communities.
In talking with actual party members, the line is, trust the Party. They've thought this through way more than you have, and while not living in a Western media bubble that lies to you all the time, while you look like a protagonist in a tentacle rape hentai where the tentacles are labeled superstructure and the cum labeled copium.
Russia provides China energy and food security, and Wang Yi's on record saying that Russia won't be allowed to fall.
I actually do think you might be whitewashed ABC because you don't understand the cardinal Chinese virtue of 吃苦, even if it means that Chinese will be forced to 吃人 at times.
>>2525143why the FUCK are you citing party members to me when the party members AGREE with my position that China should avoid getting into a war over Taiwan while you, on the other hand, you mouth breathing fucking american swine, spent the entire thread advocating for a war against Taiwan?
KILL YOURSELF
>>2525143>trust the party<ok Xi says America is trying to bait us into going to war against Taiwan so we shouldn't get into a war against Taiwan since clearly they have the advantage, let me elaborate on some reasons why>NOOOO WE CAN TOTALLY GO TO WAR AGAINST TAIWAN OUR HYPERSONIC WONDER WEAPONS WILL SINK ALL AIRCRAFT CARRIERS IN 10 MINUTES WE WILL WIN IN 3 DAYS GG EZ LET'S FUCKING GO<That sounds retarded >You're just not trusting the party enoughfuck off
>>2525112lol russia is even more self sufficient than china
>>2525151I mean the official party position is peaceful reunification, or these days, just reunification.
The entire point is, this entire thread you've repeated Chinese weakness narratives whereas I've been pointing out Chinese strength, which is important during the trade war.
The point is, if the CPC wants to kill Taiwanese fabs, it can go so with its current abilities and there's absolutely jack shit the West can do about it. You counter bomb China? China counterbombs you.
As I've said before, China has the West by the balls, the West doesn't have China by the balls.
It doesn't mean that the resulting war is cost free, as in, it's not something China would choose first and foremost, but it does mean that if the West wants full, sub-nuclear escalation, it loses.
This is why Xi's flyswatting Trump; Trump's given some gifts, a choice, but if he doesn't take it, it's America that loses.
>>2525121>Hong kong>real chiggasPick one you british cunt
>>2525162So what you're saying is that Hong Kong isn't part of China? Interesting…
You're a NAFOid, through and through, concern trolling the Chinese. If war starts between China and the West, it will look exactly like the Ukraine War, but you think Ukraine is winning, whereas Russia has bodies to spare and ridiculously low government debt levels.
Ukraine, meanwhile, is bleeding both in men and in finances; Ukraine accrues 17% of GDP debt a year.
Are you even reading the news? Almost every single news piece in the West makes China out to be public enemy #1. You aren't going to achieve some Hidden Harmonies miracle, they didn't achieve that, in changing American consciousness; the base determines the superstructure, but the superstructure only influences the base in turn.
The reality is, in 12 months, either Xi forces Trump down to restore trade relations and accept 1 trillion in Chinese investment, or we go hot because of Western weakness and China having already loosed its rare earth quiver.
That means up to 5 meatless or low meat years in China and wartime mobilization, Americans bombing and being bombed.
The end result is that the Americans either capitulate first, or go bankrupt.
I'm not some Chinat telling you China can flick away the USN with a single wrist move. I am telling you, that in a Sino-American fight, China will suffer, but most importantly, it'll win.
Otherwise, the Americans would never have attempted to negotiate. They don't negotiate with weaklings, they sanction, tariffs, and bomb them. This is the intrinsic nature of a people who got to where they were by bombing and having bases across half the planet.
>>2525171>The reality is, in 12 months, either Xi forces Trump down to restore trade relations and accept 1 trillion in Chinese investment, or we go hot because of Western weakness and China having already loosed its rare earth quiver.See you in 12 months when Trump is flipping his tariffs on and off again because everyone who is in the know already understands that this is about personal enrichment and stock market manipulation rather than geopolitics.
>>2525172US market might crash first from excessive valuations. We could see real fascism in the United States as it prepares to do a Hail Mary and hope the Chinese will pay danegeld to avoid getting crushed, but Xi won't pay under coercion and the US will collapse sooner under pressure post crash.
>>2525164not having enough potatoes is different than not being able to feed their people without imports
>>2525178Russia has issues with fruits and veggies, especially tropical fruits. Gee, who would have guessed?
>>2525087I wasn't that anon. I was merely stating the obvious fact: American navy can't even unblock the Red Sea from the Houthis let alone block the Malacca strait against the wishes of Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam let alone China. It's a zogbot pirate pipe dream and it will never happen.
>>2525085>BUT TWO THOUSANDS YEARS AG-Oh go fuck yourself with your wikipedia knowledge.
>>2525100>>2525112>CHINA'S DOMESTIC PRODUCTION IS NOT SUFFICIENT Yes it is. Has been even before securing Russian over-land imports. China imports stuff like lobster and soybeans to feed cattle. You don't need these things in a siege.
Also Argentine and Brazil imports go through Peru port. They don't go through Malacca.
>A BLOCKADE WOULD BE CRIPPLING. A blockade can't happen. Before you sperg out: I'm not advocating for attacking Taiwan. I am merely stating that you are repeating /k/ope fantasies.
>>2525179>bananas and pineapples dont grow in snowis not having a globally diverse diet the same as not being able to feed the population?
>>2525185I mean Malacca blockade is probable, but Vietnam would be a transshipment route. Exact same script as Ukraine, you sanction one country, a ton of others break your sanctions.
Good relations with India, or threats of counter blockades stopping East Asian exports, make India China's out, and Diego Garcia notwithstanding, India controls the Indian Ocean.
Basically, India will charge China an arm and a leg for blockade running, but as I mentioned, China has 25-40 trillion in assets after debt.
The war is winnable, even if costly. Otherwise Trump wouldn't be negotiating.
>>2525185I mean Chinese basis and ueberbau litigate against imperialism, because China can't fight cheaply, it either takes high casualties or high costs, or both. What China IS good at is producing lots of stuff, either at higher qualities or at lower prices, or both, and it uses its producer advantage to gain in the world system.
It's way more believable than the liberal line of "China is a peaceful country", no, it's not, but it's judicious in use of force, given the expensive. If you push it too hard, though, it will start a grinding attritional war against you, and at the right historical moments, like right now, it'll win.
I'm not actually advocating for a preemptive Taiwan war; it's more that if China ever senses the military balance is too hostile, even at 1.3-1.7% of GDP military spending, it's able to force an attritional war against the West and win.
Which is my real thesis: China has the cards, the West only has an attempt at murder-suicide.
>>2525185>picNothing more dishonest than chauvinist lickspittles, China conquered Tibet, supported rebels against communist Afghanistan, gave a security council green light for the gulf war, lybia and somalia and had boder conflicts with India and the USSR.
>>2525171>China having already loosed its rare earth quiverChinese rare earth gambit cannot be defeated. West can only beg for forgiveness or start an outright war - they have no other cards.
Besides, if China was truly evil they would've pulled another lever: Antibiotics.
Without rare earths you don't get to make your shitty fighter jets. Without Chinese API you don't get to survive the winter flu.
>>2525194>I mean Malacca blockade is probableIt's not. Full stop. It's not militarily possible nor is it geopolitically possible. People bringing up the Malacca strait blockade as some pro gamer C&C Generals move are the same people that have Azov doge profile pictures on Bluesky.
>>2525199China is a peaceful country. This is observable reality. That third history.jpg was for you. I don't give a shit if they warred with the fucking Xiongnu Huns before Christ was born.
>>2525212Vietnam attacked Cambodia first which was in an alliance with China. China had to respond.
Vietnam was trying to form an anti-China enclave because they were aligned with the USSR which was against China, post-Stalin.
It was just a border skirmish that lasted 4 weeks. China, Vietnam and USSR all went their separate ways and Khmer Rouge was dissolved.
It was 40 years ago and it's a nothingburger. Only newfag NAFO redditors like
>>2525214 bring it up. Here's your NATO daddy getting grilled like you.
>>2520665wrong and reactionary
>>2520702wrong and reactionary attempting to sound moderate
>>2525201>China conquered Tibetthe dalai llama is a pedophile feudalist theocrat and you treat liberation from slavery and serfdom as reactionary
>>2525237Every conqueror always claims to have liberated the native population from savagery and oppression.
>>2525185Pic 3 is stupid because it is
1. not exhaustive in its list of US aggression
2. counts pre-PRC china which is unfair because nobody would count pre-1776 America this way
>>2525241And in this instance it's true.
>>2525241>LINCOLN AND HIS WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSIONthis is how you sound right now
>>2525250the brought color to xizang wow
>>2525252They were literally slaves of Lamas. Getting skinned alive in ritual sacrifices and getting their limbs cut off.
And that was before CIA came in to do a little trolling by creating terrorist cells
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_programThe CPC doubled Tibetan life expectancy from from 35 years to 72 years, freed them from literal serfdom and boosted their literacy, education, homeownership, industries etc.
You're so disgustingly new. Who linked this thread to you?
>>2525276Hate this fraud so much it's unreal.
>>2525277>B-BUT WHA ABOUTTA THIS OTHER COMPLETELY UNRELATE-Go suck some boy tongues bro.
>>2525277The "savages" were fighting with the Chinese.
>CIA Cables (1948): The Dalai Lama government was an absolute slave owning feudal theocracy and "one of the most corrupt and decadent to be found in the world today", 90% of Tibetans wanted liberation, only the 10% of wealthy landowners would be pro-US. Both Han and Tibetans worked hard to free the land from serfdom, it’s part of the communist revolution in China. You're excluding the Tibetans’ participated in the Chinese revolution to free the land from serfdom as part of a larger communist revolution.
>>2525202You forgot the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes, and the Sino-Indian War.
China is not a uniquely peaceful country, none are. China is just very judicious in use of force, and is probably the expert at fighting wars strategically; the West, in contrast, is good at blowing stuff up and killing people, but it's lousy at actually winning wars.
>>2525304>Sino-Soviet border skirmishesRussia conceded that China was basically correct in their territorial claims in 2005.
>Sino Indian Warlmfao, you're so "pro-Tibet" but when China liberates Tibetan territory from Indian occupation you freak.
>>2525298True. Even the small 1-2 percent of Tibetans out of 6 million that left are coming back.
In 2017, Tibetans were LEAVING India at the rate of 3000 per year. According to the Indian government in 2018, the Tibetan population in India had fallen by 43%, from around 150,000 to 85,000, in just 7 years. A “large number” of these had returned to China.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/tibetan-refugees-down-from-1-5-lakh-to-85000-in-7-years-5349587/In 2014, a study by a scholar from the University of Wisconsin-Madison found that Tibetans born and raised in Tibet were more literate in Tibetan than Tibetans raised in India.
http://dx.doi.org/10.17613/M6VW98Tibet has a higher GDP per capita than India's 3rd richest states including Delhi. On average, they’re far healthier, more prosperous, and better educated in their homeland than they've ever been.
Rural household income might be the best metric to evaluate ethnic Tibetans' prosperity, given that rural areas of the TAR are overwhelmingly populated by Tibetans, even Western Tibet scholars agree almost no Han live there. From 2000 to 2020, their income rose from 59% to 85% of the national average. This is a quite a feat due to their mountainous terrain and that a lot of Tibetans are nomadic. Life expetancy for a Tibetan rose from 68 in 2010 to to 72 in 2022. Massive subsidies are paid yearly to the TAR by the PRC's central government; For instance, in 2021, the TAR received over 170 billion yuan, more than twice the amount paid to any other province per capita.
>>2525308I'm pro CPC. 实事求是. It's easier to tell people China is judicious in use of force; it usually strikes up not strikes down, and doesn't make military punishment a mainstay of foreign policy.
You're just stuck pushing a propaganda line which fails against well-informed entities.
>>2525304We need our own firewall for this thread that keeps all the nafoids from USApol out.
>>2525341I mean, I've been confused about the official Chinese propaganda line recently. I don't like repeating that China is a uniquely peaceful country, because it's not; it just doesn't see war as the first option because China usually takes high casualties from military operations and spends a lot of money when it happens. That, of course, also stands in contrast to China's track record of benefiting politically or strategically from wars; China is very very good at winning wars, even if lots of men die or lots of materiel is spent.
The structural factor means that China doesn't like hot wars, but that doesn't mean that China won't start one or add fuel to the fire if the calculus is right or it won't defend fiercely what it perceives as its own legitimate interests.
Are you calling me a NAFOid, by the way?
>>2525304>You forgot No I didn't.
>>2525349>I don't like repeating that China is a uniquely peaceful country, because it's not; Yes it is and your examples are fucking pathetic and desperate. Intervention that stopped Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia and fending off Soviet island grabs doesn't mean China is not peaceful. It just means they won't lie down and take it. These weren't wars of aggression you idiot. You fucking moron.
>>2525376They also saved kuwait feom iraqi invasion by voting for the gulf war which doesn't make them uneaceful!
>>2525277 The Marxist position is that European colonialism was progressive, yes, also Manifest Destiny. Same with Britain in India. Someone claimed Marx cooled on that idea later in life but I haven't seen a source for that.
>>2525376You're basically just an Americunt with the country names swapped.
The real strategic benefits of attacking Vietnam was to join the American campaign against the Soviet Union, essentially the blood price for Sino-American cooperation during the 1980s. More importantly, SEATO was actually quite panicked about the effectiveness of the VPA, and China, by distracting Vietnam with an invasion and border skirmishes, bought friendship and alliance with what later became ASEAN.
China isn't this magical master country; it's not special and your lines are like the Cucktin posters on /ukr/, you don't make effective and factual arguments but rather extremist partisan arguments likely to function as Judas Goats for actual radicals.
>>2525427>You're basically just an Americunt with the country names swapped.No I'm not since these two countries are drastically different in their geopolitical approach and rise so the people advocating for one over the other are drastically different as well.
>China isn't this magical master country;What the FUCK does that even mean? What the fuck are you even talking about anymore? Americunts? Cucktin? Just fuck off already, dimwit.
>>2525448Ah, so you're the same poster as above, who gets pissed off when I interrupt your China worship, hoping that Xi Jinping will save you when they're fine with others importing socialism, but won't export socialism.
>>2525411progressive doesn't mean correct or good, just that the productive forces and system is being developed, the communist manifesto by the same openly support the liberation of every nation.
>>2525427gulag this cracker
>>2525376>Intervention that stopped Vietnamese invasion of Cambodiait didn't
i love my good old neo stalinist purges, unironically
>>2525812Apparently some officials were corrupt and needed to be purged from the party and military. Why is this such a shocking revelation to you?
>>2525970I have to get out of this shitheep continent
>>2525530it did. is cambodia part of vietnam today? china saved cambodia.
>>2525970Western liberals could have avoided this whole debacle if they simply continued to industrialize their own countries instead of being greedy and exporting most of their manufacturing and extraction capabilities. They chose to be greedy, and now they’re doing pathetic shit like this. Deeply embarrassing.
>>2526003They are straight-up LatAm-style (no offense) comprador sell-outs at this point.
>>2526003they choose the most economical and effective way to attain more money and cheaper bills, labor and resources, it's just that their choice was to sell everything to china.
hang the last capitalist with the rope they sold and all that.
>>2525970Why the fuck do cars need chips?
>>2526035Even ICE cars have software and various controls that affect the handling. Same with bikes with ABS and traction/wheelie controls.
EVs need even more chips.
I think there's a very high chance that Xi will tell Trump to fuck off at APEC. The fire-the-bullet scenario is probable now.
I did some calculations, but I very much expect a Sino-Russian full-scale hybrid war against the West, given Western financial fragility and supply chain vulnerabilities, and Xi to only truly negotiate with Trump when the West knows it's had its hamstrings cut.
First they came for the Indians, and no one spoke up for them. Then they came for the East Asians, and no one dared to tweet. Then they came for the Jews, and we know what happens next.
Fascist recapitalization is the probable counter move.
What Surprised Me Most on Our Deep Tech China Trip<Notes from inside an ecosystem defined by constraint, coordination, and speedhttps://ruima.substack.com/p/what-surprised-me-most-on-our-deep
>When I first began planning this trip for investors — five days across four cities, from Beijing and Shanghai to Hefei and Shenzhen — I expected to come home with company-level observations: what each startup was building, who seemed ahead, which technologies felt real. We met top venture investors, toured EV factories and an eVTOL (flying taxi) test base, walked the halls of the China International Industry Fair and the Shenzhen Logistics Expo, and visited companies working on everything from quantum computing to brain–computer interfaces to humanoid robotics.
>Instead, what stood out most wasn’t any single company or technology, but the structure that tied them together. Across cities and sectors, the organizations we saw operated within an ecosystem that has grown more coherent, pragmatic, and infrastructure-driven than I remembered.
>Below are the main things that surprised me — organized not by sequence of visits, but by significance. >>2525970>uh, our US master ordered us to fuck china on semi conductors, lets take control of this semi conductor company and remove its chinese director>oh shit, the production lines are in china and they've decided to block the exports of the company we just took away from them!thats just funny
euros really expected to be able to fuck with china without retaliation, and even more funny, decided, ostensibly to "protect their supply line", to aggressively take over a company despite its actual production being made in china. Thats just fucking hilarious, what level of dumbfuck neolib administrator completely disconnected from material reality do you have to be to do this
>>2525999hope you're trolling
vietnam was absolutely correct to destroy the retarded, US aligned cambodian khmer rouge, it managed to do it, and the support of these morons was probably the biggest and least defensible geopolitical blunder of the PRC
What’s the historical consensus on the Ming dynasty having more or less full capitalism?
>>2526035There have been computers in cars since the 1970s.
>>2526484Is an FM radio or a cassette player a computer to you?
>>2526497ignition control and fuel injection were controlled by microprocessors as early as the 70s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EEC >>2526507China owes Chile reparations for this.
So is it down Yuri? Has China already won?
Why purge tho?
>>2527044America Lost, But That Does Not Mean China Won.
>>2527055But at what cost?
>>2527062For corruption, duh.
>>2527062He caught them taking bribes. The purges will continue until all the corrupt have been found.
>>2527062In le future chinese generals will be replaced by AI.
>>2527062This here is the proof that China is DOTP.
>>2527071China doesn't have revolving doors system, as far as I know.
They were possibly American informants, it's a PLA clean out so that the Chinese could say, we're ready ahead of the APEC summit.
Here's a funny thing. Ask Gemini what American political behavior would be if Americans believed that Chinese fiscal depth would be sufficient to win a war with the US, albeit at great human cost. The American establishment knows. Trump knows, but he's too weak to negotiate with.
Tbh there are some more troubling numbers.
US net household wealth is 164 trillion, while net government assets is negative 24 trillion.
In a full scale war scenario, the US will likely begin consuming household debt. Chinese net private wealth is about 90 trillion right now, and even once you tack on the aggressive CASS figures, Chinese net national wealth is only 130 trillion.
That said, the government wealth is utilizable by diktat, private wealth isn't.
What would be really preferred would be the weak dollar with another 20% drop: in such a situation, the US net total wealth (private + public) drops to 112 trillion, which is lower than a conservative (Dragonomics Gavekal) estimate of Chinese government net national wealth (25 trillion) tacked onto net private wealth.
>>2527255
Used ai slop, opinion discarded
>>2526016you're right. burgers don't have the cards.
>>2527255
@grok is this true
>>2527645there have been lots of rumors flying around, some people say xi had a stroke, some people think the military tried to coup him. I know you guys glaze the fuck out of china, but there has been some weird behind the scenes shit going on
>>2527645They were removed over a year ago. They need to be formally expelled to be replaced.
>>2527687The simplest answer is that it's counterintelligence signalling. If it were run of the mill corruption, or a failed coup attempt, the plotters wouldn't have been sentenced all at once. They'd have been detained, individually replaced, then they'd all be in jail.
7 of them being knocked out at the same time implies counterespionage, it's intended as a signal.
>>2516710based and looking forward post.
>>2527687All China rumors are fake glowshit. All of it.
China’s New Five-Year Plan Shapes Its Path Toward Technological Leadership
<The term five-year plan may sound like a relic from the days of planned economies such as was in the USSR. Yet in China, long-term planning remains a central tool of governance.
<This week, under the leadership of President Xi Jinping, the Communist Party’s Central Committee is meeting in Beijing to outline China’s 15th Five-Year Plan, covering the years 2026–2030.
<It would be a mistake to dismiss this as a bureaucratic exercise. The plan serves as a blueprint for how China intends to advance toward its long-term goal: becoming a global leader in the economy, technology, science, and international influence.
<While the plan will be formally approved at next year’s National People’s Congress, the political direction is already clear — China aims to strengthen its technological base and secure sustainable, innovation-driven growth.
The Power of Central Planning
<In a highly coordinated system, the Five-Year Plan carries real weight. It is not merely a statement of intent but a directive vision that guides the actions of government agencies, regional administrations, and private industry alike.
<A clear example is China’s electric vehicle (EV) industry. In 2001, the 10th Five-Year Plan identified EV research and development as a national priority. This prompted investment, spurred technological innovation, and transformed the automotive sector.
<Two decades later, China produces around 70% of the world’s electric vehicles and has become a global hub for EV manufacturing. Companies such as BYD now export cars worldwide on their own shipping fleets in a testament to how strategic planning can drive industrial transformation.
Focus on Technology, Security, and Stability
<The contents of the new plan have not yet been made public, but analysts expect an emphasis on domestic technological development, security, and economic stability.
<It will likely build on the ongoing Made in China 2025 initiative, launched ten years ago to move Chinese industry from low-cost mass production to high-quality, high-tech manufacturing. The goal has been to make the “Made in China” label synonymous not with cheap goods, but with technological excellence.
<Key sectors are expected to include artificial intelligence, robotics, and semiconductors. In an era of heightened global competition, particularly with the United States, technological self-reliance has become a central strategic priority.
Economic Challenges and Opportunities
<China’s leadership also faces more immediate concerns. The economy has been weighed down for several years by a downturn in the property sector, which has dampened both business confidence and household spending.
<According to the National Bureau of Statistics, GDP growth slowed to 4.8% in the third quarter of 2025, down from 5.2% the previous quarter.
<During uncertain times, many consumers choose to save rather than spend, and investors are waiting for clear signals from the new plan about reforms and policy measures that could stimulate growth.
<Experts argue that deeper structural reforms — such as improving labor mobility, tax systems, land rights, state-owned enterprise efficiency, and social services — could strengthen long-term resilience. However, major reforms are approached cautiously, as abrupt changes might risk social stability, a key concern for the leadership.
Looking Ahead
<If the pattern of previous plans holds, the new one will set broad qualitative goals rather than precise numerical targets, though the overall growth objective of around 5% may remain.
<China’s stated aim is to double its GDP per capita by 2025 to about 13,000 US dollars, moving it closer to the ranks of moderately developed economies.
<Whatever the specifics, the 15th Five-Year Plan will play a major role in defining how China balances innovation, stability, and global engagement in the coming decade and in shaping the technologies and markets that affect all of us.
>>2527255
>The ultimate response would likely be a stuttering and inconsistent mix: symbolic austerity measures paired with ineffectual industrial subsidies and rhetorical escalation—all while quietly beginning the difficult process of retrenchment from global commitments.
Damn, I don't usually like AI slop but this was spot on
>>2527957>double its GDP per capita by 2025 to about 13,000 US dollarsWhy do they care about this useless ahh metric, low GDP per capita helps them undercut the West on production prices anyway
>>2527645He Weidong, She Weidong, We Me They all Weidong
>>2527957Can I just stop everyone for a second and point out the elegance of Xi Jinping's solution?
>>2528061Thats unfair and illegal. China is cheating
What's the essentital /China/ readings, bro?
>>2528150not a book but these lectures helped me understand the Chinese approach to Marxism and socialism
https://youtube.com/@swcclectures2031 >>2528059Entire point is that I asked Gemini for a hypothetical of how the US would behave if China was winning and had the ability to win a direct war over time. The behavior matches US evidence.
>>2528061Why are you screaming mid sentence?
>>2528192Ask Grok how China calls it's "private" companies and how it calls private companies abroad.
>>2528192but its right; deng instituted market reforms by instituting special economic zones. the path of development has been upward since the 80s.
>>2528197First, Mao's economic efforts and results were greater than Deng's, building factories from nothing is a bigger step up than upgrading factories
Second, market is not capitalism; special economic zones allowed joint ownership companies, which had Chinese SOEs provide everything material and foreigners providing technologies, market access and franchise (or else Chinese did all of that by themselves and didn't pay foreigner franchise owners even a penny)
Third, Deng is a continuation of Mao
>>2528197To put it another way, consider the material base. If the Soviet Union had been wealthy, strong, and sophisticated enough to support China's modernization, China would have been running OGAS planned economy.
But the Soviets sucked. China had to adopt market socialism in order to attract Western investment and facilitate technology transfers. I don't think real Communists are happy with what happened, and Comrade Xi Jinping has been a reaction against market socialism, but it worked out well.
In real terms, China has 133% the economic output of the United States, the capital of capitalism. By developing ML and automation, and earmarking a substantial part of the bureaucracy for AI-fication, China is well on the road toward establishing an AI socialist economy.
Marxists, while acknowledging the importance of superstructure, must acknowledge the primacy of the base. The "not really Marxist" folks are engaging in superstructure first, Althusserian ideology, and idealist thinking.
Marxists hold that man's social practice alone is the criterion of the truth of his knowledge of the external world.
Who said this?
Oh yeah, I came here to protest the maniac furious once I told him China could win, albeit at great cost, a direct confrontation with the West.
He keeps on going on about food, guess what?
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-50-countries-that-can-feed-themselves/>>2528201>markets are not capitalismare billionaires capitalist?
<deng is an extension of maodeng was purged from the party by mao for being too pro-capitalist
>>2528226And Mao invited him back in, making Mao both ultraleft and fully revisionist depending on how many cigs deep he was
>>2528230and deng was purged again:
>He presided over economic reconstruction efforts and played a significant role in the Anti-Rightist Campaign. During the Cultural Revolution from 1966, Deng was condemned as the party's "number two capitalist roader" after Liu Shaoqi, and was purged twice by Mao, exiled to work in a tractor factory for four years. After Mao's death in 1976, Deng outmaneuvered his rivals to become the country's leader in 1978.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping >>2528233Jiang Qing was far worse, she would have led the country right into Soviet style collapse or outright civil war between red guard ultras and the army
>>2528230>>2528234>>2528233>>2528229>>2528226LISTEN HERE. IM GOING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT DENG
THe truth is:
Deng was an extension of 1940s to 1950s mao.
Deng was the opposite of 1960s mao
Deng was kinda in a weird place with mao during the 1970s.
Deng is merely a contiuation of 1950s maoism
>>2528239>contiuationcontinuation
How long until the Chinese AI bubble pops so we can all go back to being adults with a working relationship?
>>2528233Pretty sure I've seen Deng on some photo during Nixon's visit to China in 1972.
Also, there was some talk about building socialism means going from 0 socialism towards 1 step of socialism, and not from 1st step towards 2nd step. Randomly found relevant Stalin's quote, lol
>>2528245nta but he was brought back in the early 1970s after lin bao died. And then mao started supporting his rapid promotion. He then suffered another fall after the 1975 tinammin incident but deng still wasnt trully purged from the party.
>>2528249Well, thing is, if a person is rapidly getting demoted and promoted constantly, it's a suspect for people writing history on the issue are deeply retarded. Like in case with Voroshilov, who was "demoted" after "finnish disaster" by getting appointed to a higher rank
>>2528254>Well, thing is, if a person is rapidly getting demoted and promoted constantly, it's a suspect for people writing history on the issue are deeply retarded. Not if theres a good reason for the rapid promotion. For example, by 1971 it was clear that the cultural revolution had caused a lot of damages to the country due to excesses. Meanwhile deng and past gov officials who were purged due to the excesses had a track record of being excellent administrators and bureacrats. Tbh Its less of a rapid promotion but more so a restoration of their former rank so in order to fix the country quickly. Also mao thought deng was rehabliated and learned his mistakes during the early to mid stages of the culutral revolution.
>>2528263Virtually all the excess during the GCPR were the PLA and rightist red guards serving as their proxies
I thought you guys would debunk the retard claim that "there is no innovation under communism". Instead you are arguing over whether deng was xyz or abc.
It doesn't matter because idealism infects the purists. What the hell is "pure communism" anyway? Does "pure capitalism" exist? And since it doesn't, why must "pure communism" exist? Westoids are dumber than roccs.
>>2528242The Western AI bubble will pop. The Chinese AI development will give you cheap open source AI, robots, and sex bots, likely including robot Neuvillette complete with hemipenis.
It's materialism vs idealism.
>>2528280Marxists hold that man's social practice alone is the criterion of the truth of his knowledge of the external world.
Reread fucking Mao. Deng himself was extremely right wing, to the verge of revisionism, and his successors were revisionists, but Deng was just a pragmatist Maoist. He himself didn't make the empiricist error.
>>2528286Why would China build sex bots? They don’t even have legal porn
>>2528239You're still following Western superstructure.
Deng was a right-wing Maoist (reread 实践论) who verged into revisionism and was purged for it, came back to the Maoist fold and was rehabilitated. While he himself was mostly in the right-wing of Mao Zedong Thought between Mao's death and his death, his successors (Jiang, Hu) and his puppet (Zhao Ziyang) often veered fully into empiricism and revisionism.
70/30ing Deng is fine.
>>2528294Your dildo is likely MIC. It's an export product. Just take Robo-Neuvillette 's Double Bad Dragon and stop thinking about it.
All you need to know about Deng is that he won, simple as.
>>2528300Exactly, it’s made for export, Chinese don’t waste their time gooning nor does their government want them to. The export of dildos and drug precursors is a reverse of the dynamic of the opium wars
>>2525066our training does not include firearms
>>2525113that soybean imports was about the meat, domestic soybeans for tofu etc.
>>2525178we do import fruits from sea, again soy was for meat production
>>2525185>Oh go fuck yourself with your wikipedia knowledge.i don't get us-american jokes but what you are replying sounds like irony
>>2525193i cannot tell you the whole story since it is vast
the pic was somewhat real but i have not encountered any, only on the news
china is only normal
>>2528309explain this anon
>>2528553
Name checks out.
And Christianity is more sex positive than most people think. It's not Islam.
>>2528191useless-ass metric
>>2528743Yeah because Islam encourages the rape of women
>>2528743Jerome was wrong.
Ahem.
>1 Corinthians 7:2-4 >>2528743iirc monks had to be celibate for inheritance reasons.
>>2528307sybau you GAN the sex bot exports are literally to weaken the west by deepening their decadence, why would you buy into that
>>2528812You missed the point. Jesus and Paul laid out a hiearch from worst to best:
>Fornication>Marrital Sex>CelibacyThat's why Paul and Jesus were both celibate and every serious church promotes celibacy.
>>2528833Nothing to do with that. It is just a core tenant of the faith.
>>2529043Why is christianity antinatalist in bible but pronatalist for their followers?
>>2529043Yes celibacy was encouraged for those who can do it i.e. revcel but sex was fundamentally a good thing within marriage which was also the old judaist position. I do not understand why you are bent on proving 1st century christianity to be anti-sex when that was a paganization of christianity.
>>2529046Because they follow the OT aka the Torah and etc.
Christ's message was to abandon worldly life and to dedicate your whole life to spreading the gospel.
==25Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air: They do not sow or reap or gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?f
28And why do you worry about clothes? Consider how the lilies of the field grow: They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his glory was adorned like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the Gentiles strive after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first the kingdom of Godg and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.
34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Today has enough trouble of its own.==
>>2529048>Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Today has enough trouble of its own.Lol, lmao even
>>2529047Jesus and Paul both are clear on celibacy being better for your soul and chance of heaven. The text is clear. Marital sex is only superior to fornication, but it is not good.
>>2529056>>2529067Pretty sure they hate masturbation way more than fornication. Not very stoner-like
>>2529079>Pretty sure they hate masturbation way more than fornication.Not true at all. There is only one verse that can vaguely be interpretative as referencing masturbation. Fornication is very explicitly named as something endangering one of hellfire.
>>2529067No, it is better in the context of a Christian's duty to spread Christianity. That is why they encouraged celibacy since a person married is focused on their family and not on the religion. Nonetheless, Paul did tell younger widows to marry, warned that apostasy would come preventing marriage and also emphasized a Christian's duty to support his family's needs etc. I find it strange how you deliberately ignore the statement that husbands and wives' sexuality belongs to the other spouse and how Christianity has no prescription on "correct sex" within marriage. This is in contrast to later doctrines from the Thomist age where such restrictions appeared and anything outside of procreation was wrong. I do not understand why you want to die on the hill that first century Christianity is anti-sex.
>>2529152Christ, St. Paul, and St. Jerome all explicitly said that celibacy was better for the soul and chance of heaven.
>10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”11 Jesus replied,
“Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—
and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”He explicitly agrees that celibacy is preferable to marriage. You are extrapolating a qualifier that means that marital sex is implicitly good. No he clearly lays out that the goal is celibacy. Paul explicitly says he wishes all his followers were celibate like him and Christ, but marriage is only a half-way marriage to save you from hellfire.
>>2529164>he knows the best way to make someone celibate is to wed them.that's never been true. married people with dead bedrooms just cheat or jack off, which isn't celibacy.
>>2529161What's your end goal? That first picrel disproves your implication that sex is a bad thing. Those who mare are good, but those who choose not are better is not the same as saying sex is bad. Still you choose to ignore the context of Christianity in the 1st century and start bringing up later doctrinal changes. Why are you so duplicitous and ignore verse 9 where the whole argument was about divorce and how jews were used to divorcing their wives on all sorts of reasons and Jesus says, No, only on adultery can you divorce and the disciples get culture shock. Jesus even before then emphasizes marriage was God's original purpose in verse 5 and 6. You know that when he was arguing with the Sadducees he said that marriage is irrelevant in heaven because everyone is like an angel. Weird hill to die on. We had this argument a couple months back and you still are pushing the whole "sex is bad" narrative. In both judaism and christianity, sex within marriage is good and legitimate and outside of that, it is whoredom (fornication). Proverbs chapter 5 is good reference for starters.
>>2529206Are you a member of the Maoist Communist Party (MCP)?
>>2529207Coomer detected. Repent heathen. If Jesus didn't get married why should anyone?
Just saw a vid of a boomer with a hitler stach wearing a rising sun shirt on china and getting told to fuck off by the chinese people there, lul why do mfs spend thousands to travel and do retarded shit.
>>2529217Jesus also resurrected dead people and walked on water. Only the first century apostles could do similar things. I guess everybody should give up since they can't do exactly every single thing Jesus did. Lastly, it was God's purpose for humans to have sex. I know you might be jealous of the sex havers, but don't worry, God wants you to be happy. Keep searching for Him and everything will be alright.
>>2529231>Jesus also resurrected dead people and walked on water. Only the first century apostles could do similar things. I guess everybody should give up since they can't do exactly every single thing Jesus did.
>26 And He said unto them, “Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith?” Then He arose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm.>19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”>20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” [21] [a]>12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.Jesus said that you will do greater magic than him. All it takes is the faith of a mustard seed. Jesus rebukes your lack of faith with his every word. All you have to do is believeth on him and never care for money, mate, garb, or food ever again. The lord will provideth if you believeth.
Is this the theology thread?
>>2529243Every thread belongeth to The Lord.
>>2529231Actually it was God's purpose for humans to stay in the Garden of Eden. Sex only occured after death and sin entered the world. The breeders created such a shitty world that God had to kill everyone and start over with Noah's family. Hence why heaven is a sex free zone and many churches like the catholic church emphasize celibacy as a form of purity. This is also why Christianity is a harder religion to follow than others because in the Christian heaven you still have to work and there is no sex. Stay mad heathens.
what if jesus was chinese
>>2529237Then why did miracles end after the apostles died? You did not see unquestionable reports of miracles after that. Miracles happened back then only on God's will not on man's and it appears it is not God's will for public miracles to happen anymore. Not that anyone will believe them even if they happened. Project blue beam I guess won't work either. Also, Jesus did eat, just not when eating was a test or a selfish use of power. You don't even believe this stuff so why be smugnorant?
>>2529269>Become many, Fill the earth and subdue it.Sure thing pagan.
You pagans are the bordigas of Christianity. You pretend to understand it and be "purists" but at the end of the day you are all capitalist liberals.
>>2529298Jesus is going to come back as a very ugly Indian man.
>>2529269Also, the flood happened not because of sex fundamentally, but because of sex with angels that created nephilims and they made The Boys irl and God said, nah, it's over, no superheros in my world.
>>2529601He already did, his name was YahYah Sinwar
>>2529604How do you have sex with a series of flaming wheels with eyes all over it?
>>2529604Had no cross-breeding occurred, neither would the flood.
>>2529605Sinwar was a palestinian, not an indian. But based if true.
>>2529608They materialized into humans. But something went wrong and their genes got messed up and created nephilims. Or maybe it was on purpose, Idk about why the angels only took human women and never materialized into women taking human men.
>>2529607Fully automated class segregated earth-condemned social imperialism
Communism in [x centuries]
>>2523553>@zhao_dashuai>From a reliable source, on why Scott Bessent has a grudge against Li Chenggang:>During the negotiation in Spain, the US delegation threatened more semiconductor control measures against China.>Li Chenggang then picked up the phone and ordered the anti-monopoly investigation against Nvidia during the meeting, right in front of Scott Bessent's face.KNEEL
>>2514973This but 100% unironically.
>>2525076This could quickly escalate into naval warfare against USA. The best move is not to play until you are stronger than your enemy.
>>2529648what country you from
>>2529804Indian Modi supporter. Why are you asking?
>>2529812China is even passing the US in the gooning category, truly over for amerikkka
>>2529812A true testament to the excellence of actually existing socialism.
Only moralists and christians will seethe.
>>2529812>>2528307But will the gay Chinese sex bots be used to spread revolutionary propaganda?
>>2529672can you post a link
>>2527037I was curious as to what this is about, and one of the speakers is the director of a U.S. military think tank which studies the Chinese military:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Aerospace_Studies_InstituteI wonder how these ACP guys scammed this Chinese university to accept a paper from Haz so he can show up wearing a suit and looking like he has some kind of sponsorship from the Chinese government.
>>2530086they act like he goes in there and decides to hardball them on a whim because he's that type of guy, not that he's doing what he's directed to do. americans are strange.
>>2530046Beijing loves glowies. CPC isn't a ragtag leftist group, the glowies come in, either get fed disinfo or subverted, while under constant MSS surveillance both digital and person.
It's ironic when the glowies are the ones getting glowed, no?
>>2529883>can you post a linkSorry, just saw this now, but I see it's already been posted.
>>2529648lmao, how the fuck can someone compare india and china and think its an argument against against china?
Long NEP? More like Longe NOPE ! Amirite belgian fellas
>>2529648if you think only 10% of the Indian population lives in extreme poverty, you are a moron
>>2529608you pop one eye ball off the eye socket and you shove your cocko inside and have sexxo
What happens after Xi?
>>2530466Shouldn't mods be able to ban you now, now that you've forgot your TOR node?
>>2530860The expansion of internet access and consumer electronics in India is just to distract them from how shit their material reality is with online entertainment or flame wars, unironically that's what the Modi government is doing.
This always happens with democracies, they go with the easiest path to appease the people in the short term because all a ruling democratic party cares about is getting elected another term so they can keep stuffing their pockets with corruption money from various useless projects.
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