>>2532113That shot of handful of money is a really nice touch.
REMINDER TO ALL LEFTCOMS, SUCCDEMS, CRYPTOLIBS AND ANARKIDDIES OF /leftypol/:
LENIN WON
STALIN WON
MAO WON
DENG WON
XI WON
EVEN FUCKING FIDEL WON
/USApol/ IS CURRENTLY TRYING TO RATIONALIZE VOOOOTING FOR A SERIAL KILLER BLACKWATER MERC WITH NAZI TATTOOS WHILE CHINA IS DEVELOPING THE THIRD WORLD AND CLEAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGY TO SAVE HUMANITY
WAKE THE FUCK UP, TAKE THE DENGPILL, TIME IS RUNNING OUT
>>2532420i'm shitting all over the platnercels but need backup
>>2532461I did it too during the last thread
I'm tired boss
>>2532113"dictatorship of the proletariat"
Nice joke
>>2532483Who has adequate public toilets?
>>2532483What would you know about dotp? Revolution in your country status?
>>2532491China: NONE
My country: NONE
About even
I never understood the tower of power. Aren't regular solar panels more efficient? What's the point of the mirrors and salt tower, is it just cheaper?
>>2532780I guess water, boiling is more universal and less technological?
>>2532789Looked it up and your AI is right, looks like it's the opposite. Powertowers are very expensive but more efficient
>>2532791It's Niche indeed. The good thing they have is they store energy for a few hours after sunset, acting like batteries
>>2532572>Mao didnt exist, thats just chyna propaganda you fucking chud!meds
>>2532789There is also a lot going on with sand thermal batteries.
I don't see why we couldn't just embed the tower directly in the sand battery.
>>2532899Mao was a national liberation fighter, not communist.
>>2532910>it wasnt real gommunism!!1!whatever you say, libtard
>>2532420Half the people you mentioned would have killed the other half.
>>2532920>would have political fiction is always irrelevant
>>2532923stalin would have shot deng
>>2532930This imaginary scenario provides no useful insight into the real world of the present.
>>2532780They say it can also keep producing at night (since it takes time for the sand to cool), idk for how long.
Eternal reminder
>China has objectively become the most promising hope and the best example for all Third World countries
Fidel Castro, 2004
>Xi Jinping is one of the strongest and most capable revolutionary leaders I have met in my life.
Fidel Castro, 2014
I will always trust Fidel, an official member of the real movement, over /USApol/ retards that have never organized in their life. Simple as.
>>2532938He most likely just hates anyone that isnt a soylent drinking westoid.
>>2532420wtf… based… but ancoms and leftcom aight tho
How hard is the chip supply shortage gonna hit
>>2533011where's the contradiction
>>2533019What part of classless, moneyless society don’t you understand?
>>2533022a dictatorship of the proletariat does not necessarily mean fully developed mature communism which you just described
China is a DOTP
>>2533019nowhere it's a banger screenshot
>>2533022Are you from /pol/ or something? What part of socialism as a process towards communism don't you understand?
>>2533021*yawn*
>>2533015Yeah some of them, the ones that understand that a leftcom/ancom position may make sense in the US or Europe but not for China.
>>2533021>entertainment>health>transportWheres defense?
>>2533022Cases of communism achieved in this planet:
>>2533028They’re not trying and never have because Mao was a con artist
>>2533036You could make this argument before the advent of modern computing, you can’t now, there’s literally no reason to have markets outside of the bourgeois having a stranglehold on politics
>>2533039It’s in the Amazon and the Andaman islands under threat from fascism as we speak
>>2533043>It’s in the Amazon and the Andaman islands under threat from fascism as we speakLol, primitive communism is something different.
>>2533022lol, fucking ultras will screech about anything short of falc
actually scratch that, Im sure even in falc theyd buy into the propaganda of their masters and find something to nitpick about
>>2533039there was possibly one instance communism among one congolese tribe that organized around nonhierarchial principles around the XIX century (the belgian boys cut all their hands because they were organic tools of communist development)
>>2533049Mao was a fraud and a pedophile who had his victory handed to him by the Soviet Union handing Manchuria to his army
>>2533053They copied the development model of Japan, South Korea, and Singapore
>>2533047If capitalist states headed by supposedly communist parties count so do uncontacted tribes
>>2533058Having a nuclear arsenal dumbfucj
>>2533055singapore yes. totally irrelevant however, I'd love to hear a more interesting argument
>>2533061The USSR didn't have nukes?
>>2533062They’re going to run into all the same problems Japan and SK have, both are dying societies that are working and drinking themselves to death, no one wants to have children there
>>2533043>there’s literally no reason to have markets outside of the bourgeois having a stranglehold on politicsYes there is, it works for developing the forces of production and changing the shape of global trade, taking hegemony away from the US, which is historically the number one enemy of socialism, via trade, without wars that just get proles killed.
Its an strategic postion that takes in count geopolitical realism and they say they will abandon it in 2050. I see no reason not to believe them.
>>2533074Planning is faster and more efficient at building productive forces, it would be even faster with an automated planning system, nor would this mean isolation from international trade
>>2533070The USSR suffered from an internal coup and a betrayed revolution, in China the betrayal already happened.
>>2533073Low birthrates are not specific to south korea and japan, the problem is most acute there because they've been industrialized the longest. Low birthrates have always been a global issue and not even the soviet union managed to solve it. That means huge societal change is needed to solve this existential issue and China is the only country right now ideologically capable of making that transition. there are only two paths that solve low birthrates, communism and fascism
>>2533082China has been doing 5 years plans since forever. And the USSR never had the power to cripple the US MIC like China did. Socialism with chinese characteristics is just better.
>>2533082man, you are retaded, can you put on a tripcode so I can filter your retarded ass?
>>2533082>in China the betrayal already happened.Why didn't it collapse and balkanize?
>>2533105Because Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, Che, Deng, Xi and socialism with chinese characteristics (which is real socialism) won and he is a retard who will never be part of the real movement that abolishes the present state of things.
>>2533113Marxism is demonised in the West while in the PRC it's status quo even if it has it's own interpertation to it. This alone is good enough for me to know with whom to side. Just a reminder that Germany, Czechia and the Baltics and America more or less effectively criminalized being a Marxist.
>>2533107kino
common PRC seethers L
>>2533037>Wheres defense?The US and the taxes of USAnos on /USApol/ takes care of that part.
>>2533841is "becoming chinese" a thing? how can I learn this power?
>>2533105The betrayal was the 1913 revolution
>>2534411Erzra F Vogel is a fascist. All of these words are completely fake lies. You present prime example of the vulgarity of the bourgeois mind and its inabillity to grasp Marxism-Leninism
>>2532063apparently the nsa tried to sabotage the chinese space program in march of this year. does anyone have info on this?
>>2534375>National Security ShieldThe next Marvel Captain China film gonna be tight
>>2534444>fake liesProof? afaik the CPC ok'd that biography.
Also I didnt even post it as it if it was a bad thing, I just thought it was funny
>>2534875why does that pic go so fucking hard
Redpill me on Jiang Zemin
>>2535109Kind of underrated thh
What are the fundamental differences between an Apple engineer and a Huawei engineer? Does the Huawei engineer have more "rights"?
>>2535225>What are the fundamental differences between an Apple engineer and a Huawei engineer? the former is cringe, the later is based
>>2535225The latter works more hours* for less pay
*which chinese law claims is illegal but lets chinese corporations get away with because the class character of the state and party is bureaucrat-monopoly capitalist and not popular/proletarian, it's as simple as that. The corporations effectively (continue to) regulate the labor relations themselves, even after domestic outrage for years by the working masses.
https://developingeconomics.org/2023/07/10/working-overtime-or-being-laid-off-the-pressure-under-hopelessness-among-workers-in-chinese-internet-companies/https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/trending-china/article/3267322/china-tech-firm-enforces-extreme-overwork-exceeding-contentious-996-model >>2535252<le china is le capitalist<le soviet union is le degenerated workers stateok so then communism is impossible and we have absolutely no historical precedent to point to as evidence for our ideology. congratulations trotskyists, you have defeated communism.
>>2535291based and correct
>>2534377Based, but this this graph would be more interesting in absolute terms.
>>2535294I am open to believing 2049 that China will be socialist. But what does that mean?
Does the party apparatus just go and say, "we'll slowly dissapear, no revolution needed!"
>>2535348>Does the party apparatus just go and say, "we'll slowly dissapear, no revolution needed!"Why would the party aparatus dissapear? They will just end the open market approach, not transition into communism. Thats for 2150.
>>2535364>They will just end the open market approach, not transition into communism.so more centralization again? how's that socialism?
china has some form of local democracy I guess, unless you expand this, you will never progress into socialism and go further
>>2535364Communism is SOE power, plus labubufication of the whole country.
>>2535520best website award
The Europeans, particularly the Germans, are running around crying and 'petitioning' China now that their automotive industries are under threat
>didn't they plan for Chinese retaliation over the Nexperia situation?
Nope. They've become too comfortable dealing with Putin's Russia and didn't expect any retaliation whatsoever.
If China relents before getting back Nexperia, that will be bearish for a game of wills with the US down the road. I hope China tells Germany to go pound sand.
>>2533053i miss him so fucking much its unreal
>>2535225>>2535252Isn't Huawai ESOP, why did you forgot to mention that, glowshill?
>>2535252First link: an article about bullshit job graduate losing her job and income because a bullshit job has turned out to be a bullshit job. CPC is solving this issue by establishing a law where a university that has a certain percentage of graduates of a profession fail to find employment or lose their jobs, that university will get a license for this or that profession revoked.
>>2535739Russia has also humiliated Europe - and Germany specifically - this way when Russia has laid out the specific way Euroids have to buy gas and oil from Russia - in rubles, not USD, by buying rubles from Russian banks. Since then though Euroids have "diversified" by buying gas and oil through third parties which is certainly not Russian oil and gas
Where the fuck is this Chinese bourgeoisie that commands the economy? Seriously? Where is it? The American imperialists and bourgeoisie openly collude. So do the European ones. In non-western countries, the merger between domicile bourgeoisie and the state is pretty much clear nad obvious. So where the fuck is all this bourgeoisie that dictates Chinese policy?
Do you people not realize you are lapsing into sloganeering when you scream about 'capitalist social fascist China'? Where's the fucking evidence?
>>2535860Ah, but have you forgot Jack Ma, that famous billionaire whose eccentric behaviour leads him to buy 50 euro souvenirs on flea markets and who is so shy that there is zero photos of him on his (and it can be only his property, nobody else's!) yachts and mansions?
>>2535876Also during daytime this pole is just fucking covered by bags of food and other delivery shit. Same for delivery service branches, people just walk in and take their deliveries, and scan it's bar code to confirm (sometimes not). After 8 the attendant just leaves, and people still come and go. Convenience stores too, they put a sign saying self-service is on the right and that'd be it.
>>2535876High trust society. People also probably leave their spare keys somewhere near their doors, or maybe give keys to their neighbours. Downside of this is that if something is lying on the floor, people just assume it's lying there for a reason
>>2535876Thats also normal in Europe, tbh, Amazon always leaves my packages infront of the entrance when I'm at work.
>>2535876What's the explanation for it?
Traditional Asian honor thing?
High standard of living making theft unnecessary?
>>2535901Lower alienation.
It appears being a western dengist is worse for your brain than CTE…
>>2535860>Where the fuck is this Chinese bourgeoisie that commands the economy? 🤤Seriously? 🤤Where is it? 🤤[…] So where the fuck is all this bourgeoisie that dictates Chinese policy?🤤In the penthouses of the worlds top tier cities.
In the upper echelons of the China's political parties (that's right, plural). Being chauffeured around the globe. Attending Davos and WEF.
https://youtu.be/sWprEZitMp8>>2535872>>2535874https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_billionairesBeing rank two.
>Inb4 "i-it's not rank #1!!" Yet.
China is an imperialist superpower.Given you people's adoration of multipolar rhetoric one would assume you'd comprehend this by now, but apparently cognitive dissonance is a soothing coping mechanism for you bourgeois aspiring scum.
>>2535911its quite simple, there are prole nations and bourg nations. China is a prole nation so its good and america is a bourg nation so its bad
>>2535911>Being rank two. China has a lot of people being wrongfully accued of being billionaires - like Jack Ma. It's so much people that China gets into rank two on retarded lists of billionaires.
Note that in real life, billionaires avoid lists like these, they also avoid listing their property anywhere, so yellow press toilet papers just eyeball their wealth, and China is the largest victim of this, they get chairmen of collective companies being called billionaire owners, lol
this thread is a goldmine of "interesting" takes
>>2535913>Everyone critiquing is the same person, adhom fallacy>>2535915>Not addressing the argument, weak attempt at trolling>>2535919>Covers eyes and says reality simply isn't real There there.
>>2535930honestly this thread is a special place so im not really treating arguments here seriously
Regarding Nexperia, Europe is freaking out because it really thought that China would let it have one open hand for gibs from China and one closed fist for punching China on behalf of the US. But China isn't fucking around anymore.
>>2535936EU did this because USA wanted to attack China through proxies. Making proxies scream, however, gradually erodes trust in USA world order as USA doesn't protect proxies from the retaliation.
>>2535932NOOO we need to constantly discuss if china is le capitalism in every general + daily new china threads on the catalog
>>2535913mass tor baiters are really outta control
>>2535930Your sources from wiki page
Forbes and Hurun
Forbes is famous for nonsense lists such as 30 under 30, majority of laureates were later called out for being frauds and getting jailed. Then there was an example of a Russian oligarch suing Forbes, or a similar kind of a list maker, because he lost a wife due to Forbes spreading rumours about him hiding his wealth, wife reading that and thinking that Forbes is an authoritative source and not a rumour mill. Court ruled in favour of "oligarch", it didn't find any wealth hidden anywhere, and therefore Forbes spreading fakes. Then the guy sued Forbes for reputational damage to his person
Hurun is the same kind of shit.
And don't @ me with "but C-chynah's quoting Hurun!" They quote Jack Ma nonsense as well, and we know for a fact it's a lie, therefore, it doesn't prove anything.
>>2532483You are the punchline, bro
>>2532930Stalin would have shot Mickey Mouse with the help of Donald Duck
>>2535961>there was an example of a Russian oligarch suing Forbes, or a similar kind of a list maker, because he lost a wife due to Forbes spreading rumours about him hiding his wealthThey upset the feelings of a Russian oligarch? Nyoo, blacklisted source now..
>Hurun is the same kind of shit>And don't @ me with "but C-chynah's quoting Hurun!"Zamn, now even a source China relies on is simply all lies too…
>They quote Jack Ma nonsense as well, and we know for a fact it's a lieWho, you and your classcucked Dengcord server?
>>2535930>Everyone critiquing is the same person, adhom fallacyI'm not even a dengist or pro China but you aren't slick theres like 30 posters and 2-3 tor users here. And only one of them has an autistic obsession with China that makes up 40 percent of this websites traffic.
>>2535977 >>2535981 (me)
How long does it take you to make a reply anyways.
How long does it take you to make a reply anyways.
To literally everyone in this thread. Xi Jinping does not give a single shit about you unless you're applying for a Chinese visa and know perfect mandarin. He does not care if some retard from Bulgaria thinks his country is communist or not. Go focus on fixing your own countries instead.
>>2535986answer the question faggot
>>2535986>>2535348isnt that how the transition to communism is supposed to look like? A slow withering away of the state.
>>2535986In 2018, the National Radio and Television Administration shut down ByteDance's first app, Neihan Duanzi. In response, Zhang issued an apology, writing that the app was "incommensurate with socialist core values" and had a "weak" implementation of Xi Jinping Thought, and promised that ByteDance would "further deepen cooperation" with the ruling Chinese Communist Party to promote its policies better.[15][16][17]
Since late 2018, with more than a billion monthly users across its mobile apps,[7] ByteDance was valued at US$75 billion, and surpassed Uber as the world’s most valuable privately held startup.[11]
In September 2020, the United States Department of Justice called Zhang a "mouthpiece" of the Chinese Communist Party in a legal filing.[18]
>>2535981>I'm not even a dengist or pro China but you aren't slick theres like 30 posters and 2-3 tor users here. And only one of them has an autistic obsession with China that makes up 40 percent of this websites traffic.The other guy used "social fascist" (I reserve that for NATO social democracies) and "faggot" over and over (I've not used that term in a decade).
On a site that attracts mostly
comm-u-nists expect to get blowback from pushing bourgeois capitulationism and revisionism. There are loads of places where you will be pampered, like BernieDem Hasan's underageb& virtual harem. You will have it harder in a place where people actually read Marx and Lenin.
>>2534879Grandpa Xi in the middle with a confident but friendly look ready to embrace you + his aides/collegues looking anxious that the meeting will go well. Confident but friendly leader + attentive and eager assistants = confucian kino
is it really hard to believe that china has billionaires but they are controlled and subservient to the party?
>>2536000>On a site that attracts mostly comm-u-nists expect to get blowback from pushing bourgeois capitulationism and revisionism. You will have it harder in a place where people actually read Marx and Lenin.Ahahah you really think this place with mostly threads about nation states isn't going to be filled with nationalist libs.
>There are loads of places where you will be pampered, like BernieDem Hasan's underageb& virtual harem. Also nice try I'm not in illusion that China isn't neoliberal but I'm just ashamed if you really go through all the trouble of setting up tor everyday just to post in a thread you willingly clicked in.
>>2536003To begin with, China doesn't have private companies. There are people's companies, but no private ones - this moniker is reserved for Western companies that do have private owners. The very fact that Westoids when translating make no distinction is already something that should make you realize how dishonest reports on China are by default.
Again, Forbes lists are not actually lists of billionaires. No billionaire has ever come to Forbes with estimates of his wealth to be included in the list, it's all "investigative journalism" aka yellow press. Hell, Stalin was considered the riches man on Earth at some point, because the economic and ownership structure of a socialist economy was LITERALLY INCONCEIVABLE to Westoid minds
>>2533011Between 35-40% of Chinese net wealth is held by the state. It is definitely not a DotB.
>>2536047?????
If 100% of China's wealth was held in workers' hands directly, it wouldn't be a DotP?
>>2535957I still want a full version of this.
>>2535957Can anyone with one of these premium KI account make a Germany version of this preferably a Schlager genre version?
>>2536074Dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. I'm saying what it's not, not what it is. The current Chinese polity is PDD, not DotP, under a vanguard party. Whether this constitutes capitalism or not is up to you, but it's definitely not DotB.
>>2536085Ah, sorry. But wealth held by the state doesn't mean it's not DotB - there are companies like Saudis' Aramco which are state owned and which constitute majority of a capitalist economy, but it still remains a capitalist economy. There are DotB like Peronist Argentina, or South Korea when industrializing, you get the idea. All those examples are DotB.
>The current Chinese polity is PDD, not DotP, under a vanguard partyNah, it's DotP. Dictatorship is defined by the class in charge
>>2536116China will collapse any second now, and then Hong Kong will be free again, Trump will disappear, all immigrants will disappear and all tariffs will disappear and its gonna be the 90s again and history will end again 😘
again requesting a firewall for /PRC/ that keeps all the social fascists, nafoids and ultras from /USApol/ out
>>2536373these maps never include mixed people. Mixed people are always just lumped in with the dominant or minority group depending on how mixed they are.
Also if you're gonna finger wag about indigenous erosion may as well include the Tsarist conquest of Siberia 1500-1800.
>>2535998>picrelI literally made that from asking deepseek to explain socialism with chinese characteristics as if I was a toddler
>>2535855>Russia has also humiliated Europe - and Germany specifically - this way when Russia has laid out the specific way Euroids have to buy gas and oil from Russia - in rubles, not USDit's literally nothing. should kill exports like china does. especially when those countries are arming his enemy and helping kill his people. putin has killed all deterrence, allowing most of europe to insult his country daily. at least xi isn't weak and beholden to oligarchs.
>>2536401thank you for your service
>>2536094The difference between, say, Norway, which actually has higher state wealth to private wealth ratios, and China, is that China is governed by a vanguard party. China calls itself a PDD, i.e, a precursor form of DotP, whereas we can't consider Saudi or Norway DotPs / PDDs.
The important thing is the vanguard party's dominance, but the superstructure is supported by the base through the vast Chinese state holdings.
In short, this is Dengist Revolution. Imagine if SASAC and CITIC were sitting on 120-160 trillion instead of the CPC holding 25-40 trillion. The 160 trillion would be enough to buy out capitalism and support revolutions everywhere the capitalists don't take the buyout.
It's why the Americans are running scared; the moment their financial hegemony dies to China, they're alternately revolution fodder and buyout fodder.
>>2536521nta but people's democratic dictatorship
>>2536520wtf, he actually has a Xitter account, and it looks legit. Dunno how I missed it.
I'm an underachiever irl, so I fantasize that my Chadposting of Li Chenggang in the previous thread contributed in some significant way to his meme rise. :(
You've been cordially invited to join
LI CHENGGANG GANG
>>2536619I dont know how liberals are coping, MAGA is the culmination of western liberal democracy and China mogs them
>>2535911>Being rank two.Per capita?
>>2535930>>Covers eyes and says reality simply isn't realYou can't say that right after saying "not addressing the argument". Why are glownonymous posters always baiting?
>>2536931Why do I have to repeat again and again that Westoid company structure is not the same as Chinese company structure, and people deemed owners and 50% shareholders do not actually own the company?
>>2536936Is this referring to collectives like Huawei?
>>2536938This is referring to ALL Chinese "private" companies. They operate under a socialist market economy rules, i.e. they are not private/individual's companies but rather people's companies.
>>2536390Anyone trying to draw a comparison between the conquest of Siberia and the genocide of Native Americans are confirmed retards who have no idea what they are talking about. Native Siberians still actually exist beyond small isolated starving groups, they recieve benefits and autonomy from the Russian government. The Russian Empire at no point instituted a policy of systemic extermination of the native Siberians. The US is fundamentally characterized by Manifest Destiny the thought that it is endowed with the holy purpose to genocide the Indigenous people of North American and steal their land. No such comparison can be made in the case of Siberia. And shut the fuck up about "mixed people" as if the US doesn't have some of the lowest rates of mixture aside from recent Latino immigrants. Quit trying to deflect burger this is like when the USSR would point out segeragation in the USA in response to the USA making up bullshit about the USSR then crying "whataboutism".
>>2536373kinda funny that even though it'd make sense for the DPP to support indigenous people ideologically, since they're the best group you could hope for if you wanted a taiwanese identity independent of china, taiwanese indigenous heavily lean KMT since the DPP represent ethnically hookien 本省人 who historically feuded with them in the past. it's actually DPP legislators who've used anti-indigenous ethnic slurs, while the KMT have put up photos of indigenous anti-japanese partisans in their head offices.
also, shouldn't be that suprising but indigenous taiwanese would probably be better off under the PRC than under the current ROC administration. the two main indigenous ethnic groups in taiwan are already registered as part of the PRC's 56 ethnic minorities (with benefits like higher gaokao scores, mandated legislative representation etc), but the PRC already has a system of ethnic autonomous prefectures with limited self-government, which is something indigenous taiwanse have been asking for since the early 2000s
>>2536520Make into banner
>>2536078it was given to you in the webm thread where you asked originally
>>2455836 >>2536249This is what all anti china posters on this site look like to me
>>2537101While I agree with it in spirit, I could see a way in which this framework could be abused and cause overreach.
For example to stifle proletarian discourse.
It's a bit different from the obviously beneficial regulation in regards to kids throwing all their time away playing gacha games instead of socializing or learning.
Also fucking
source?. Chinese media please. Is this for certain ages? Details please.
>>2537101If this was in UK, every singe chinacuck on this site would be making "Oi, wheres your talking loicence?" jokes.
>>2537114the difference is China is goated and the UK is cringe asf
they are not the same
>>2536946>>2536936I swear the more I read the thread the more retarded it becomes
>>2537121You're a moron whose only strategy is to throw empty ad hominem attacks. I stand correct.
>>2537125ur avatar is a character from the anime made in abyss made by tsukushi akihito
just log on pixiv and look at what tsukushi akihito likes on there (spoiler: its drawn csam)
>>2537117>>2537114Thank you for correcting the record! One (1) $TARMER coin has been deposited into your wallet.
>>2537135Agree, then why seethe about China daily? they are far away.
>>2537140the children of fascists have no clue what communism is or what it looks like
>>2537133>I swear this level of classcuckery should be bannable offenseArent you american? Classcucking is basically your oxygen so you would need to ban yourself
>>2537142Why were paintings of Hitler destroyed after WW2?
>>2537144He is tamil living in italy
>>2537146to denazify germany? what's your point?
>>2537149But they are just paintings? And all those Arno Becker statues, why were they destroyed?
>>2537148he still would need to ban all american IPs (and thats a good thing)
>>2537140If a lie is repeated long enough it becomes miscontrued as thruth
>>2537141< t. white yankee>>2537144Leftypol è un forum internazionale, e a differenza del dengoide medio non sono statunitense
>>2537153better a lib Yank than an inheritor of the fascist cultural legacy
>>2537153>If a lie is repeated long enough it becomes miscontrued as thruthWhat lie?
>>2537151Class? Material interests? What's that nonsense? Nazism and other bad thimgs are spread through media; they will just stop existing if we ban enough shit
>>2537154Mi dai di eriditario della cultura fascia, ma qui tra noi l'unico ad usare razza e nazionalità per assegnare idee ed epiteti alla gente, sei tu bel coglionazzo. Se effettivamente la sinistra americana è compista da gentaglia ebete come te, allora c'è poca speranza.
>>2537157Did Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy lose WW2?
>>2537153> e a differenza del dengoide medio non sono statunitensehere in latam all my uyghas are pro-PRC, sorry
>>2537142Just stop jerking off to images of underage people bro it shouldnt be that hard
>>2537182sadly Xi and Donald will must likely make some sort of deal and we wont see any shutdowns
>>2537182Why did they seize Nexperia without securing chip access first? What were they thinking?
>>2537184>thinkingwestoids dont think
>>2537183I'm not sure. I think the Chinese are demanding complete capitulation from the US. Not only for all tariffs to be removed but also all sanctions and "national security concern" bans on stuff like EVs, drones and Huawei.
Trump's ego won't allow for that and Lutnick's aggressive retardation definitely won't allow for that. Even Bessent is acting like a brainfucked moron lately because Chenggang got under his skin, repeating the lie that CPC fired him because he raped Bessent or something lol. Just utter brainrot in the White House.
>>2537161there is no race. there is no nationality. there is only culture and your existence lies in the inherited cultural heart of fascism, its what blinds you to the outside truth of existing socialism
>>2537212Rand is surrendering
>>2537180We should say this to porn addicts in general but you people are not ready for this conversation.
>>2537212>>2537221Common PRCseethers L
Common /PRC/ W
Common China W
Common socialism with chinese characteristics W
>>2537228agree
>>2537180>>2537228Drawn porn is less exploitative and therefore less harmful to society than the real porn industry with real pornstars. I don't care if someone draws "elf lolis" when you have porn directors keeping tabs and hounding instagram models with offers as soon as they ding 18. We've all met zoomer 18 years old - they're still retarded children.
I like throwing this TRVKE BOMBA at random.
>>2537240Go tell your mom about why you think it is ethical to jerk off to images of people who look underage, this is a thread about the PRC and total NATO humiliation, fuck off
>>2537238I dont care if they dont magically end capitalism, what I care about is that if my country ever manages to have an actual socialist in power again, USAnos wont stage a coup and fund an almost two decades long fascist military dictatorship again.
>>2537243My point was that people seethe about cartoons got their priorities fucked. Like you. See how that's the part that was triggering to you.
This is relevant to PRC btw since China bans porn and is cracking down on prostitution primarily. Drawn porn is just a necessary collateral damage that I don't really mind. But progressive cretins treating Seattle street walkers and teen OF "models" like some legitimate (sex) "workers" are scum.
>>2537243Tbh that would be less humiliating than telling your mom that you are an online communist
>>2537251I disagree with prostitution too and pimps are scums but is it really that much different from normal jobs? Many young men in PRC who cant pass gaokao do completely degrading jobs like being a construction worker or doing call centre. Unless the sex worker is literally forced by the pimp to do that job or to service clients she doesn't want to which would be rape there is literally nothing wrong with that. People who oppose sex work eventually end up rambling about how sex shouldn't be commercialized or that female dignity is sacred as if being a poor farmer perpetually in debt is somehow more dignified than being a well off prostitute
>>2537255construction work isn't
completely degrading.
Being a poor farmer is in fact less degrading than a seriously high risk of rape, physical abuse and death every time they hit the fields.
>>2537254She knows it and she loves me.
>>2537262When you're talking about prostitutes who get raped or catching disease you are talking about poor prostitutes who often work themselves in the streets and frequently abused by organized crime. This is like if i take a cotton farmer from India who ingested pesticide to escape debt, or a construction worker working for a shady company in an illegal construction site where you can get flattened to a pancake by rolled iron and cite them as example of what being a worker if their respective fields is.
In fact, i have seen many OF girls who can afford houses (multiple!) from their income. I have never seen a construction worker doing the same shit unless you're on a specialized role like a welder or something
>>2537272And this is why Westoids are in dire economic straits. Unproductive labor getting rewarded higher than productive labor results in parasites outweighing producers
Anyhow all this talk about prostitution and dignity actually reminds me of the Yu Menglong case which i think is a case of forced prostitution in the entertainment industry gone wrong. Just a tickle for prc anons here, there is some epstein shit going on in Chinese entertainment industry
>>2537277Being a whore is actually very productive cuz without femwhores and manwhores and theywhores men would become crazy and have sex with each other (hot) and doing things like raping people and animals (less hot) as Augustine of Hippo said. In fact in this age where most countries are not engaged in active warfare whores do more for society than veterans. Stop celebrating veteran day and start celebrating who days
>>2537272<switches from prostitution to Only Fans at the first sign of pushback.Sex Work obsessives still loosing. At this point you people are a parody of yourselves.
>>2537101Sounds very vague and fake and gay
>>2537255>and pimps are scums Of course they are. I didn't mention them though. I was talking about pro porn directors and recruiters. They're scum of the earth too and the whole sex "industry" is rotten. Drugs, diseases, suicides and rape come as part of the package no matter how hard you want to whitewash it.
>degrading jobs like being a construction worker or doing call centre>building schools, homes and hospital is just as degrading as getting cummed on by some fat old creep that has to pay for sexGrim. Sad. It's so fucking over for the progressives it's not even funny. I genuinely wanted to laugh when I read what you wrote until the dread hit me at the thought that you might not be baiting.
You are fucking insane. Would you rather your father be a construction worker or your mother to come home every night after a long day at work getting gangbanged? Would you marry an OF "model"? Would you be fine with ads featuring your sister eating a dildo popping up online?
>People who oppose sex work eventually end up rambling about how sex shouldn't be commercialized or that female dignity is sacred Oh go fuck yourself. Did you think you had some kind of an anti-conservative gotcha here you sleazeball? You're not a feminist, you're Andrew Tate tier.
China went through drug and prostitution epidemic before the Communist revolution. It was bad and thankfully they know better than you which lead them to stop it. There is no "clean" sex work - it's always packaged with exploitation, that's literally the point of it.
What you said about construction workers is really telling. Really revealing to contempt of blue collar workers in the west. Shows what you really think about those type of jobs after the mind rot of service based economy has set into your capitalist shithole.
This is why China still builds dams that alter the rotation of the planet, highest bridges that come with their own waterfalls and restaurants while American GDP is uplifted with porn industries and their EU and Japanese vassals are descending into deindustrialized, impoverished sex tourism hives with degenerate parties and organized Yakuza crime funded JAVs.
>>2537272If you vouch for construction workers' rights they will have better safety and at the end of their workday they'll be finishing with reconstruction of the nation which will benefit millions.
If you vouch for sex workers' rights they will have better safety but at the end of their workday they'll be left with a gaping, cum filled anus and only a few disgusting pigs will feel good while millions of families suffer the humiliation.
Drawing patreon furry porn, sucking dick on stream, eating Sheikh businessman smegma, giving twitch political commentaries etc. These are all worthless harmful activities for the society. Service based scams. These are parasitical anti-industries and they should be pulled out by the roots.
Thank Mao you retards are not in charge of China. Thank Xi for further kneecapping the sexpest tourism of Hu Jintao and Zemin era.
>>2537314TRVTH TSAR BOMBA
>>2536619probably not him
>>2537314>societyAn abstraction. It is a service for which there is demand. When a construction worker spends their days working on on some McMansion, or a bank office building, or 8th highway lane, is that to benefit of "society"?
>>2537382>some McMansion, or a bank office building, or 8th highway lane, is that to benefit of "society"?In comparison to prostitution? Objectively yes. They'd be more beneficial in a socialist country of course.
But prostitution? Can't be rehabilitated, sorry cumbrain.
>>2537405Yeah man, flushing massive amount of labour power and natural resources down the fucking drain is so much more beneficial than having sex for money.
>>2537406Is there any more reliable source than what appears to be a post from instagram/tiktok/twitter?
>>2537406I don’t think China’s police are that bored, they have human trafficking gangs kidnapping people to Myanmar to deal with
if we understand dengism as using capitalism against capital, is leftcom dengism possible?
>>2537425>leftcom dengism You mean amerikkkan social democracy?
>>2537114didnt know "leftypol anonymous" was an influencer
>>2537425>if we understand dengism as using capitalism against capital,You have it backwards. Dengism uses capital against capitalism, not capitalism against capital. China is developing the productive forces so much that commodities cost almost nothing to produce. This destroys rate of profit for global porky.
>>2537382>When a construction worker spends their days working on on some McMansion, or a bank office building, or 8th highway lane, is that to benefit of "society"?There will be construction workers under socialism, they will just be building housing and factories instead of monuments to capitalist egotism. There will be no "sex industry" under socialism.
>>2537101As far as I'm concerned, "influencers" are nothing but some of the worst bourgeois parasites.
>>2537486>There will be no "sex industry" under socialismAnd you basic that prediction on what exactly?
>>2537577There won’t be any industry under socialism
>>2537139>>2535915isn't there a difference between essentialism level of development and class character? if history happened differently then different nations would be in different positions. i know its difficult to understand. if you want to be a proletarian nation just do the rev. what are you waiting for?
>>2537705I don't think there will be some kind of a sudden peace between China-US. It's just that narrative is slowly sobering up and that's a fact as seen in this pic
>>2537221 >Western media.jpg
This isn't just RAND and RUSI sounding the alarm. It's everybody from Times to FT to BBC slowly realizing their ship is sinking after a series of reality checks. And it's noticeable.
Guys like Arnaud Bertrand and Cyrus Janssen are huffing on that hopium of friendly US-CN relations because they saw the trajectory a long time ago, yes. But sooner or later reality creeps in for everybody.
Will neocon war hawks like Marco Rubio and Elbridge Colby change their stance? Of course not; They are ride or die anti-China automatons in the same way EU bureaucrats are anti-Russia kamikazes. But will majority of people obey their commands when that day comes? Increasingly unlikely.
>>2537476That's literally every capitalist country ever lmao
>>2537241Yeah. See no futher than the US economy. AI is 90% a bubble, 10% actual productive augmentation.
>>2537246Yeah, some other country will do it instead.
>>2537841Stocks, crypto, and real estate will keep going up and up, as well as consolidating in fewer and fewer hands. GDP will continue to increase. That's what the economy is, right?
>>2537833>Guys like Arnaud Bertrand and Cyrus Janssen are huffing on that hopium of friendly US-CN relationstrue
its kinda funny all these are non-communists . berletic still gets it more right than wrong and even diagnoses MIC problems as a result of profit motive
>>2537837except the imperialist countries maintain dependency and uneven development while china does the opposite. you cant offshore and outsource and have low cost resource extraction for high value added commodities if countries stop exporting and instead produce domestically. increasing proletarianization in the periphery and heightening contradictions in the core as super profits dry up no more room for bribes drives revolutionary conditions in both
>>2537883Unfortunately Brian Berletic and Ben Norton have near spotless records. I say "unfortunately" because the picture they paint is grim. But they source, research and dig up everything in excruciating detail so it's hard to call them baseless doomers. Reality is just blackpilling and depressing.
>>2537891this kills the dishonest westoid
>>2537837Show me a single western capitalist country with a Chinese cost of electricity. Just one.
>>2537841>Yeah, some other country will do it instead.Which one? Chyna? I dont think so
>>2538190>>2538192This is Bessent's plan, or wishful thinking. He even bitched out against the Chinese diplomat
>>2536520 for being a wolf warrior, meaning China wasn't playing nice with American fragile fantasies
>>2538196I was posting Chenggang material, heh, so I'd be disappointed if this 'deal' is China taking the pressure off the US in return for a US
promise to do something in future.
>>2537101Holy fucking based, actual deathblow to misinformation on mainstream social media, should be implemented everywhere
>>2537110Nah bro, in China the youth are college educated at a very high rate, a lot of the unemployed youth are college graduates who can't find a high-prestige job suitable for their degree, this won't stifle the people.
>>2537116It's not income per person, it's cross-border income per person. This uygha moffin is so retarded
Speaking at a briefing for members of Parliament and the House of Lords on Wednesday, retired British Rear Admiral Chris Parry argued that if the UK were to lose its foothold in Northern Ireland, it would present a major opportunity for Moscow and Beijing.
He noted that the waters between Northern Ireland and Scotland are essential for Britain’s nuclear-armed submarines, describing it as “critical to our strategic deterrent.”
“With a united Ireland, there is no guarantee we could deploy our ballistic missiles,” Parry said.
He also suggested that Irish unification would enable NATO adversaries to threaten critical undersea cables.
“The UK needs to calibrate the threat to itself of a supine Republic of Ireland. My view is that the best way to help Ireland now is to increase NATO and Allied activity in Ireland’s economic zone waters,” he said.
Parry even suggested that NATO should hold exercises in Irish-controlled waters “whether Dublin agreed or not,” saying the bloc must be prepared to “fish in Irish waters for our potential opponents.” He added that the republic should move toward closer military cooperation with NATO and renounce neutrality.
“If anyone attacks Britain, they will attack Ireland… Neutrality cannot be seen as conscientious objection any more. If you are part of the free world, you have to be prepared to defend it. The Republic needs to reduce its vulnerabilities,” he stated.
Moscow has dismissed claims that it plans to attack NATO as “nonsense.”
>>2537221I don't think they will do the smart thing and de-escalate though, not with senile old Trump, his warhawk cabinet, and his MAGA cult in charge. And his sponsors aren't likely to make him back down by a lot either, considering they're the likes of Peter Thiel and Miriam Adelson. And also his own wealth has exploded thanks to his crypto scam and perfume and other shit and probably isn't as dependent on rich backers anymore.
>>2537240Ok sure it's less bad than being a porn director, pedophilia is still bad
>>2537184>What were they thinking?China bad
>>2538296thank you sir parry for giving us the perfect reason for a united ireland
>>2537212>>2537221This is from RAND who predicted a decado ago that the US has until 2025 to gain military tech advantage over China or it can't win a war against it.
>>2537300100%, there is nothing wrong with being a construction worker, what's wrong with manual labor?
>>2537944Ngl I don't think it's possible, even if one takes the stance that the CCP is now purely capitalist and only nominally socialist, just being nominally socialist means they will never wage an ideological war against communism like America did/does.
>>2538337i wish moffin was as dictatorial as you have him imagined to be
>>2538344>defending moffin who wiped the entire website due to his incompetanceBahahaha.
when you and the rest of the mod team run out of welfare checks and step foot outside maybe we will build .01 of communism as Karl Bordinga intended.
>>2538353i wish i was, i could have all of you banned for breaking rule 14
>>2538363>i wish i was, i could have all of you banned for breaking rule 14<I'm totally not a mod guys! stop breaking rule 14 (i) no hurting moffin's feel feels.I wish I was a mod so I can delete every redundant nation state general so actual meaningful discussion could take place.
>>2537210> It's nit about race, it's about a proxy for it, which totally isn't racist or otherwise essentialistEx:
>>2537195 Using this site becomes infinitely more bareable once you hide that italian pedo and you don't have to see his constant whining about China or his gross pedo avatar
>>2538474aka you're mad at him because he's right and so you're pissing yourself over it
>>2538479nta I completely agree with him on Chinese capitalism. I just think he's a pathetic human being and you are too.
>>2538479Why would I be mad about him having an opinion I disagree with? I come here to argue and discuss things with people.There's plenty of other retards here whining about China all day. I just think he in particular is a really annoying pedo avatar fag and my enjoyment of using the site went up dramatically after I hid him. Seems more like you're having a crying fit, shitting and pissing yourself because I insulted your favorite anti china pedo
>>2538489kek so you do know how post without a trip after all. You look like a pathetic cuck for not banning people who ridicule you by the way and petty loser if you do. Maybe you just shouldn't bombard everyone with your child fetish.
>>2538489I don't wanna look at your pedo jerk off material dude, I'm not into it
>>2538492now watch him try to deny its him even though hes the only one here who would willingly save that to their device.
Say what you want about moff but the fact that the toxicity and name calling is mostly one sided really tells you that a lot of pro china people here have parasocial relationship with the concept of China as a communist vanguard
>>2538499for the last time at least I don't care about China and neither should anyone else. you seem to have a parasocial attachment with 'moff' go outside and get real friends.
The more you post your pedo cancer the less normal people respect you. It tells us that you are just throwing a tantrum over us disliking your favorite cartoon. I'm done giving you traffic have fun dying alone in It*ly.
>>2538499That's not what a parasocial relationship is you retard. I don't care about about his retarded takes on China, there's tons of other morons like that here, including namefags that could receive the same reaction if that was all that mattered, but they don't because they're not as annoying/not avatar fagging pedos. Why are you so adamant to defend him? Do you really hate china that much? Or do you just love looking at drawings of half naked children that much?
I don't know anything about /lefrypol's petty internet dramas. Is "Moffin" a real pedophile (i.e. posts sexually charged content of prepubescent-looking characters) or just a person liking to avatarfag with cutesy-looking characters who had became a victim of a moral panic?
>>2538541
From what I've read, there are opposing factions, but they have to go through the Communist Party process, so anything that goes against the Chinese government's goals is basically impossible. The party is also crazy popular since they keep improving the lives of people within the border.
>>2538541
That's kinda stupi question? There are always opposing factions in any real-world goverment.
As someone from a settler colony, online Chinese nationalists fucking disgust me, because they resemble the racist pieces of shit here so closely.
Take the suppression of Xinjiang for example. Uyghur separatists killed some police and civilians, the government steps in, yeah it sucks but it makes sense.
But when some idiot Westerner echoes at them about le genocide or le cultural marxism genocide, you know what these nationalist fuckers do?
<well if they're being oppressed, why are their uyghur police?
<and how come their culture still exists in public?
HOLY SHIT. ARE YOU FUCKERS JUST NOT AWARE OF THE USA EXISTING? This is the same shit burgers say about black people. This is the same braindead shit Zionist influencites are saying about brown people,
<'if there's a genocide then why is there arabic writing on signs HMMM?'
bad hasbara is good enough for han supremacists
Please Xi, put these idiots into an education camp.
>>2538549
>shit no-one said
>>2538561I think you should be more concerned about people trying to perpetuate CIA narratives about Xinjiang than chinese people using "the wrong arguments" to defend themselves from such accusations. Xinjiang is nothing like a settler colony, so all your whining about how it's "the same argument" and these chinese nationalists "resemble the same racists that live in my genocidal settler state" doesn't apply at all, because it's not the same argument, because it's not the same situation at all
>>2538569There's a case for their argument, in that stupid westerners will think their stupid arguments are validated by it even though it's not relevant
On the other hand there has to be a limit on coddling western delusion
Bessent is signaling that China will cuck out and delay the rare earth export ban. In turn US will dial back some tariffs.
If this is true and not some Bessent wishcasting then it's a fat fucking L for Chinese demands and optics. Xi is making Cucktin seem strong and all the people demanding blood on Weibo will be vindicated for shitting on MoFA.
>>2538591Cope, the US has 0 cards.
>>2538591I haven't seen them cuck out ONCE since Trump tried pretending to be the big dog
>>2538606After constant humiliations, insults, sanctions, threats and tariffs anything less than maximum pressure is cucking out. If they did indeed delay bans on neodymium and magnets then they outright cucked out.
Trump waltzing into Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Cambodia while they're sucking him off in front of China is also pathetic and very telling of China's weak regional respect and soft power. Doesn't matter how many bridges and high speed trains you gift to your neighbor if they're just going to suck America off and sign every deal undermining China every time they pay a booty call visit.
>>2538590>in that stupid westerners will think their stupid arguments are validated by itStupid westerners don't give a fuck what Chinese nationalists have to say about anything, especially racist ones that wanna defend settler colonialism. If they mention them at all it is because they are disingenuously using these people because they sound similar to them on a surface level, that is if they even give that much of a fuck about the chinese or think it'll give them clout to use them in such a way. Just attack western chauvinists, that's more then enough, no need to get upset about imaginary Chinese settler colonialism supporters.
>there has to be a limit on coddling western delusionWestern delusions shouldn't be coddled at all
>>2538612take this kind of cope to /USApol/
rangeban everyone from the US, western Europe and Israel
>>2538624Might as well just delete leftypol
>>2538625delete /leftypol/ and leave only /PRC/
>>2538637As the US and the EU become more and more authoritarian there will be less brain drain from PRC and other SEA countries into the w*st.
Everything is going according to the plan.
>>2538458homosexuality isn't a race
>>2538637I wish I had the ability to learn a new language and that China allowed immigration and that I was white so nobody would get upset that I'm fucking their daughter…I would move to China, I guess.
>>2538855In a way we are, our sexuality are defined at birth and out brain functions, beliefs, empathy levels, mannerisms, etc… are COMPLETELY different from hetmoids
>>2539039>defined at birthdon't make me laugh
>>2539050Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man. You are nothing but a product of your environment
>>2539053You fucking retarded 99% of homosexuals were literally grown in hetero environments, most of the time homophobic too
>>2539055Humanity has always been gay throughout its history, therefore a society has never truly been purely 'hetero'. and as you can see, there are more gays in a gay friendly society
>>2539063No, sexuality is genetically and neurologically hard coded, is not flexible at all
Us and heteros are completely different people, our brain function differently, our political beliefs, morality, empathy levels, etc and etc…
>>2539067gays are the jews of sexuality
The fuck is this chat
Explain why homosexuality is so absent in DPRK that they don't even need legislation to restrict it
>>2539071>Explain why homosexuality is so absent in DPRK that they don't even need legislation to restrict itHomosexuality is illegal in DPRK. Anything that can be construed as decadent capitalist behavior is illegal. DPRK is basically 1984, they don't really need to go through the hassle of writing specific formal laws for everything, there's really only one kind of crime, thoughtcrime, and the citizens are not entitled to any explanation as to what does and doesn't constitute thoughtcrime, that's for the state and the thought police to decide.
>>2539071It is not
>>2539078>Homosexuality is illegal in DPRKFalse
>>2539078>Homosexuality is illegal in DPRKI also love to make unsubstanciated claims without proof.
>>2539086I think you're joking, but if you're serious, then why is Kim Jong Un fat and how is he friends with Denis Rodman?
>>2539067Nazis agree with you
>>2539120Has anyone ever told you that you're autistic?
>>2539125I do like trains.
>2539078 (you)
>DPRK is basically 1984
(you)
>>2538561>This is the same shit burgers sayjust because imperialists say something in bad faith no one else is allowed to say it when its true? for china a rising tide also lifts all boats, because unlike neoliberals they actually reinvest in society
>>2538590eventually people are just going to support chinese "capitalism" out of envy
>>2539216Sorry, you're right. North Korea is a vibrant and beautiful utopia, a free and open society for all, nothing bad ever happens there and the system works great.
https://thinkbrics.substack.com/p/bank-of-china-chief-economist-usesA Chinese chief economist at one of China's largest public banks has officially admitted that modern monetary theory is right and China is fully embracing it.
>>2539233it's doing pretty fucking well given the historical and political context it exists in. You try rebuilding a country after 90% of all standing structures are bombed into rubble by americans, while under sanctions from the west and their allies and vassals.
>>2539237does this mean china good or china bad
>>2539233What data or experience do you have to make a judgement on this topic? You'd look pretty silly if you did no research on DPRK and just came here to voice a vibes-based opinion, but that isn't true, right?
Whats the solution to the WQ (westoid question)?
>>2539272Doesnt this run into exactly the same issues as Keynesianism (i.e. private sector needs not just to produce but produce profitably, and government induced demand cant help with that because all government income comes at the expense of private economy)?
>>2538591>>2538612We'll have to wait and see what the deal is and whether China has lifted the pressure for a mere
promise. US promises mean nothing.
>>2539291>private sector needs not just to produce but produce profitably, and government induced demand cant help with that because all government income comes at the expense of private economyTaxes don't fund public spending in countries that print their own currency. And a government with monetary sovereignty and a planned economy like China's doesn't have those monetary constraints or the lobbies of private companies telling them what to do.
https://youtu.be/zBk78wG1U9U?si=2WLCeVACSGdJFcMh >>2539254mmt is dumb if liberals do it but a good rhetorical device for communists in that it highlights that the limit of production is labor not money supply.
i only skimmed but this article seems gpt and also doesnt say the guy actually said mmt just that mmt also says that
>It is for this reason that Xu believes national economies can engage in debt-fueled spending almost indefinitely under the right circumstances, without fear of inflation or financial crisis.The concept directly echoes what MMT maintains: that real resources (starting with human resources) represent the potential limit that states’ deficit spending might encounter.
but see here article is talking about "human resources" and "deficit spending" still in a liberal framework
>According to Xu, the conditions that allow currency issuance without risk of inflation or financial crisis are:
>inadequate domestic demand and
>excess productive capacity.
>He adds that “both these conditions currently characterize the Chinese economy.”this part is instead of human resources(ie labor) "productive capacity" and "domestic demand" is social needs
its sorta like how venture capital does monopolies nowadays, where they run at a loss for a while in order to capture market share, except state owned monopolies have infinite time and no risk because they produce for purpose according to democratic demand, not profit
>>2539646Flood detected because forgot to embed>The concept directly echoes what MMT maintainsI've watched a video from this guy on gold, and he says the same stoner shit as MMT despite not even knowing what that stillborn ideology is - "it's all in the head, maaan, we can print however much we want, maaaaan, if only nobody knows about the printing, maaaan". This is pure stupidity - throughout the ages, all governments have engaged in money printing or coin debasement, and they've successfully afforded this or that project they wanted complete with that money; AFTERWARDS, and only THEN did the inflation kicked in and increased prices all over the board - because labor is not increased through money printing, and the only thing creating value is labor, therefore printing merely reallocates labor, or rather labor compensation, in the economy
Tricks of circluation cannot save capitalism. They, however, can destroy it, as was proven in practice by Lenin intentionally debasing the currency, printing like crazy, while paying wages in food and kindling and utilities (reminds us of Mao's iron rice bowl, doesn't it?), all in order to destroy bourgeoisie's hold on the economy.
One characteristic of modern liberal economies is that they are obliged to print money to merely function NORMALLY. MMT, the stillborn theory it is, tries to justify this behaviour as something good, and fails at that. In MMT, money printing and taxation aren't ways to fill our budget, which we then spend on something the whole country needs, naaah, it's the way to regulate the economy! This money printing, with a gazillion ways to hide the printing from the population at large, what it basically is doing as a system is, we make everyone poorer, take the collected labor and redistribute it through hidden channels. Taxes, in MMT, are similarly not "real" money, but rather signals of where we want to decrease labor by taxing higher and where we want to increase labor by taxing lower. That's why MMT is a fucking joke, and why MMT has died without ever being tried in practice - when the time had come for trying it out, Jerome did some ad hoc super printing and came to the conclusion that MMT will not work. By now, Trump's admin has firmly abandoned any illusions about monetarism and are firmly in the real economy camp - except USA's real economy has 2 trillions USD budget deficit yearly, and their only hope is that 1) AI brings dividends and fills the budget, somehow 2) that China and EU start buying American gas and oil, because a "gas station with nukes" kind of country turns out to be the best kind of country for budget proficits
>>2539676>>2539674>>2539646Oh! Oh! And one more thing I forgot: libs, MMT or otherwise, ALWAYS think that all laws and economic maneuvres were done as some kind of a planning ahead instead of an ad hoc measure that stuck around after solving the issue at hand. For example, they think that gold standard was abandoned because it was a better way for the world to move ahead, and not because USA desperately needed money for their ballooning economy to avoid the pop. This is the ideological thinking communists talk about when they want the world instead to seek materialist explanations. This is also one of minor reasons why MMT will never be tried - it doesn't propose any quick get rich schemes, instead it wants to remake the world into a "money is a social construct" meme
>>2539674oof idk if it changes anything but
>The concept directly echoes what MMT maintains: that real resources (starting with human resources) represent the potential limit that states’ deficit spending might encounter.was supposed to be a quote (the author doesnt say china explicitly endorses mmt just that it "echoes" it)
>what it basically is doing as a system is, we make everyone poorer, take the collected labor and redistribute it through hidden channelsyeah it definitely does do this but its advocates say its a sort of tax on hoarding by big borg. most people dont have savings so the inflated money supply mostly hits finance not workers. especially paired with a progressive tax and jobs program its meant to take money from the rich to pay for public works by redistributing it as wages
>Jerome did some ad hoc super printing and came to the conclusion that MMT will not work.well yeah because they gave the money right back to the borg with the stipulation that they had to hire workers and instead they did stock buybacks lol
>>2539679its just extremely stupid to try to do mmt and "free markets" at the same time. you need a dtop
MMT basically a trick to make social democracy seem like science, but bourgeois economics is anything but science.
>>2538561I say shit like that and the main reason is that in the mind of the average westoid, “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”(evidence of genocide) because le CCP censors and hides everything and has a complete chokehold on 99.99% of information somehow, therefore you need evidence that there ISNT a genocide, for which you can’t really say much except “if you go to xinjiang they don’t look like they’re being slaughtered”
>>2539055Homophobic environment does not mean it produces 0 homosexuals, for example there are plenty of homosexuals in American prisons even though American gangsters and such are generally homophobic, the reason being the lack of women. Even if you live in, let’s say, a heavily Christian suburban area, you can easily end up gay if you can’t get women, or you jacket off to so much porn of women they don’t excite you anymore, or the Christian homosexual taboo has a forbidden fruit effect, etc.
>>2539688a fucking bug! why do mods allow bugs to post? how do they even use a keyboard without hands
>>2533076basically you rescue them darskinned shawties the dark red areas and they are so grateful to be with a person who expects 0 kids but then everyone calls you a sexpat imperialist with a mail order bride
>>2533076is anyone actually doing a birth strike in the imperial core or are these birth rates a byproduct of the availability of sex education, contraception, birth control, abortion, and a general cultural desire in countries like China specifically to raise a small number of children very well rather than raise a large number of children poorly.
>>2539748Do YOU want kids? Why don't you have them?
>>2539244True. It's still bad.
>>2539257NTA but you're mental if you think they're so progressive to tolerate open gays.
>>2538569>Xinjiang is nothing like a settler colonyI'm not saying it is, but can you explain why?
>>2539849>Xinjiang is nothing like a settler colonyI am saying this and its based.
>>2539849>>2539863The XInjiang project idea is to desradicalize muslim, given the muslim are prone to radical interpretantion of their own religion, China gov decide to make a move to avoid having millions of angry radical muslim in their own country
>>2539849Because Xinjiang is just a part of China and has been for hundreds of years. There's no colonial project going on where settlers are driving away a native population to install their own structure of racial supremacy. Look at the difference between Xijiang and the West Bank if you want a contemporary comparison to actual settler colonialism.
>>2539876You are an islamophobe. The western backed Wahabiist insurgency into Xijiang is not because muslims are innately prone to radicalization. There's other muslim ethnic groups in China that didn't go through what happened with the Uyghurs
china good
simple as
WE SHOULDN'T IMMORTALIZE CHINA AS THE ANSWER TO ALL ECONOMIC STRUGGLES. PLEASE READ MAO ZEDONG, PLEASE EDUCATE ON HOW MUCH HE DID FOR THE CHINESE WELLBEING AND PLEASE LETS CLEAR OUT REVISIONISM CAUSED BY DENG
CHINA HAS ISSUES, ITS NOT A DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT, ITS A STATE-CAPITALIST MODEL AND WILL GRADUALLY WORSEN, ITS NOT THE HAMMER AND NAIL TO SOCIALISM, WAKE UP
>>2539885Bro, any fucking religion is prone to radicalization, stop coping, muslim too are prone to get redicalized, so christian in the west.
>>2539892a dictatorship of the proletariat is not mutually exclusive with state capitalism
>will gradually worsenprivate industry is decreasing doe
>>2539892Mao was wrong, dude, Deng was a pragmatic and right on what he did, purity of ideology should not take precedent over hard reality.
i like both mao and deng
>>2539906ultrasisters….
Do we know what the deal is yet?
Other than Bessent say he cucked China?
>>2539997 (me)
>saysaying*
>>2539897Then say that dude, don't say "muslims are prone to radicalization", as if they are the only ones or are more prone to it innately.
>>2539997>Do we know what the deal is yet?the deal is american millenia of humiliation
>>2539997>>2538591Ok here is GT politely calling Bessent a liar.
He's just hoping and coping. The reality is that
>>2538602Reading western sources they appear to be worryingly hopeful and delusionally optimistic when you compare them to Chinese reporting on this issue which are much more serious and stern. I think Bessent is praying for a miracle at this point.
He actually willingly fell for the Epoch Time meme that Chenggang got fired because he called him "unhinged" only for reality to spit him in the eye because it was Chenggang that met him for talks after that.
>>2540274second paragraph seems to imply that rare earth controls are still in effect, right?
>>2540274>standaridize export controls in line with international practicesLol, lmao. By this logic, China still has an ace in it's sleeves in form of reciprocal tariffs
Usually when we can't get a clear answer on a deal, it means BRICS has cucked and doesn't want to make too much noise about it. Hope that's not the case here.
Daily reminder that Italy could have been like this if ᴉuᴉlossnW didn't get cucked by the squadrismo. What an idiot.
>>2540274Holy shit GT need a new writer. That first paragraph is one jumbled sentence. Reordering the clauses would make parsing so much easier.
>>2540927No kidding, heh. The first and third paragraphs refer elsewhere for details, basically saying nothing.
The second paragraph doesn't give a clear and direct answer whether the export controls are suspended or not, instead discussing the intended purpose of the controls.
>>2541073I hate stepping on shit in such toilets tho
>>2541077in westoid public bathrooms people shit all over the seats, what's the difference. public bathrooms are just gross no matter where you go.
<Hegseth: China is a serious security threat to the Asia-Pacific region
Talks not going so well or completely unrelated, ya think?
>>2541073shitmaxxing = Asian squat + French bidet.
>>2541085And without walls around the toilet. And it also should be an open hole in the ground so that smells give you an authentic experience
>>2540274>>2540927> That first paragraph is one jumbled sentence. Reordering the clauses would make parsing so much easier.Easier said than done but I tried my best:
At a press conference on Tuesday, Foreign ministry spokesperson Guo Jiakun responded to questions, but also stated that specific details should be referred to the relevant Chinese authorities. He was asked firstly whether China could clarify if its export control measures on rare earths have taken effect or are currently suspended. Secondly, he was asked, assuming suspension, whether said suspension relates to US tariff threats and recent China-US economic and trade consultations. Previously on Sunday, US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent claimed that China had never implemented these measures and that US threats to impose 100% tariffs on Chinese goods had influenced the negotiations.
>>2541073In Algeria we had these kind of toilets and I hate them, sorry.
>>2541217Incredible stuff
Sidenote, I hate that fucking chinese nationalist LARP account >>2541219yeah they try too hard
>>2541219>>2541222She's not larping. Often posting her own images in Shenyang and typing in Mandarin, like with the K visa stuff. It's also a shared account but she approves posts.
>nationalist She's often baiting, like louischeung_hk but yes she's a justified nationalist. If you want a real firebrand check out BeijingDai and MotulX22. Even thinking_panda (RIP) would've been considered bigoted here despite being the softest out of the bunch.
It's always a cultural shock, both for the left and the right in the west when they're met with real honest mainlanders. Because they show teeth and are not beaten spayed dogs you see on your college campuses.
But hey it can always get more extreme: Check out notXiangyu. A KMT Taiwanese turned pro-CPC. He frequently gets banned. It's surprising CarlZha had him on podcasts considering how liberal CarlZha is.
>>2541235>real honest mainlandersBased on my experience spending quite a lot of time on rednote, most mainlanders are not like this. They're actually surprisingly "wholesome" and non-confrontational when talking to and about foreigners. Zhao DaShuai is a retarded engagement farming edgelord.
>>2541247 (me)
Not to mention racist. I know racism against indians is one of the acceptable kinds in some far-left circles (like racism against turks or kurds etc) because some self-proclaimed Marxists can only view the world through the lens of ontologically good and evil nations, but I disagree. Racism is bad.
>>2540475Yes.
>>2540484That ace would be antibiotics. But this is only slightly less devastating than nukes. Rather, by playing the rare earth card first it gives more power to the antibiotics card - it shows they aren't bluffing.
If rare earths are kneecapping, antibiotics are beheading.
>>2540927>>2540950>>2541121Your first GT/MFA readout? They are often verbose and ESL mangled like this. Not just because they are crude translations from spokespersons but also to prevent easy inflammatory quotes that spread on twitter. Pieces like these are meant for specific people - in this case Bessent and buddies.
This was meant as a direct but polite rebuke to everything Bessent has said. Bessent has claimed China was ready to walk back and concede on fentanyl, rare earths and soy beans. This readout states: "Nothing has changed. Controls are still in effect like we already stated. If you want more info either forward you questions to responsible bodies or go back and read what we already wrote." Basically saying don't listen to Bessent. What he said is not only not true but he can't even change anything.
>>2541247Based on my experience with flesh and blood agents and other personnel I interact with - yes they are all wholesome cuddly panda bears with eye smiles. Especially with me - a foreigner. But just touch the topics of Taiwan, imperialist bases in SK and Japan, military in general, Nancy Pelosi, Nicholas Burns, Tibet-India and so on, and the panda will show you that they're still bears underneath. Also if you plan to stay for longer get ready for frank and some might say "rude" interactions. I never expected Japanese fakery and I'm from Eastern Europe so I felt right at home.
As for Xiaohongshu, even there you'll find people wiping their shoes on Japanese and American flag carpets.
If things like these upsets you, it's because you had orientalist view about magical progressive Chinese people living the devoted life of L'Internationale. That's your fault. They are people like any other. People that love their nation and are on guard - justifiably so - around snakes trying to harm their way of life, governance and territorial integrity.
>>2541329>even there you'll find people wiping their shoes on Japanese and American flag carpets. holy based
>>2541235Someone post the chinese twitter vid of the guy who says americans should be launched into the sun
>>2541319>ontologically good and evil U r idiot
>>2541000Please go to Appalachia or even Europe and look at the toilets there
>>2542239To get gullible people like yourself to read it and pay attention to it and talk about it and share it on other websites as you have done just now.
>>2532420Xi Jinping was a left-com inspired by Council Communist Herbert Marcuse.
>>2541000in my city we used to have public toilets, even public fountains and so on, some from as far back as the 1800's. They've all been closed however, the pipes stripped out for the raw metals value.
It's absurd to point and criticise someone's development from a position of de-development we live in.
>>2542279>Herbert Marcuse>council-communistHe was a frankfurt school academic "marxist" which was inspired directly by Gramsci the Stalinist sociologist retard
>>2542281 (me)
Also that picture was from 20 years ago in Hong Kong.
Why are you fags like this?
>>2542294so they are going to give nukes to taiwan
this is going to be the new invasion bait for the next 10 years isn't it
>>2542298if china lets it then they are too retarded to exist.
<Critics might u point to slowing growth growth in the Chinese economy. They might point to its property sector facing a sl p. How do you how do you expect China to confront these challenges and yeah like what do you predict?
>@16:52 Well, I think first of all, we know that China had breakneck growth in the past four decades. Average rate growth was about 9% if not double digits depending when you count, but it's clear that right now the economic size of China, this year is projected to reach about 19 trillion dollars worth of GDP. Given that economic size and given that, and I will talk about this, China's pivot. It is not in China's interest to continue grow at that 9-10% average growth rate year after year. So this 5% growth rate is really towards the goal of materializing the moderately prosperous economy by 2035. This is the goal China set for itself in 2020, double the per capita GDP, and so that means the year growth the annual growth rate needs to be about 5% from 2020 to 2035. That is the goal that China tries to achieve not to continue grow at 9-10% but 5% is about right to reach that long-term goal and second I think all the challenges that you mention needs to be contextualized in China's pivot toward this high quality growth.
>China is no longer interested in the high-speed growth. It wants to improve the quality of its growth. And so, you need to understand that kind of pivot to really understand why China start to, readjust its property sector, and why China wants to promote certain public investment and private initiatives towards the technologies that would deliver the kind of high quality development goal. So the numer of things of that you talked about, the property sector, yes I would say that is a very deliberate policy, I wrote about this property sector corrections and I like to call it a controlled demolition because we know that since the global financial crisis in 2008 China has spent a lot of efforts to boost its domestic demand and so private sector since that time have seen really rapid growth, but come with certain consequences. The positive aspect is that China has one of the highest housing ownership in the world among, some of the former socialist economies. So China is able to provide affordable housing to many of its citizens, but the housing prices have been going up, especially after, the 2008 financial crisis with a lot of financial resources, a lot of investments going into the real estate sector.
>So that's when Beijing decided in 2020 that this is not a desirable model that the real estate sector is consuming too much resources in the economy and it's not really providing the kinds of productivity growth that the government wants to see and therefore with the three red line policies constraining the real estate sector, making the sector to deleverage, and so on and so forth that is what I think caused this slowdown in that sector and I think in the long term this is in China's interest to curb the speculation in the real estate sector and really divert the resources to some other more productive sector. So yes those are challenges but I think China are China is managing we have seen a slew of policies since September last year that have been rolled out to try to provide some stabilization in the real estate market. So I think these are likely to be relatively short-term challenges, and I think as China continue to divert resources to the more productive sectors I think we're likely to see that being realized. Now that being said the property sector is very important for government local government tax revenues and also for households wealthy in fact. So I do think the government can do more to stabilize the sectors. I would even argue that the central government need to set up some kinds of housing funds to allow the local governments to buy up some of these houses for social housing and also make sure that some of these projects that are started would need to be completed.
Okay, tell us what the deal is.
Why is China so cagey about it, leaving only Bessent to run his mouth? Is it a case of cucking, or is the deal still being worked out?
>>2539849The general argument for Xinjiang being a settler colony, apart from "mass sterilization" and the other wilder stories, is that there has been a lot of Han migration into Xinjiang. However, mere settlement of uninhabited land, such as by the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps which has constructed various small cities and farms for Han settlers from the Chinese interior, does not constitute colonialism since they are not displacing or killing the previous inhabitants. Essentially, to claim Xinjiang is a settler colony is to claim that mass immigration is equivalent to colonialism.
>>2539885>You are an islamophobe. The western backed Wahabiist insurgency into Xijiang is not because muslims are innately prone to radicalization. There's other muslim ethnic groups in China that didn't go through what happened with the UyghursI disagree, "radical" Islam is fundamentalist Islam and it's how Islam spread in the first place, by the sword. The reason the Hui don't do terrorism is just that they're extremely sinicized, same with SEA Muslims being less prone to terrorism, Islam has altered more from its Arab origins in those areas.
>>2541219I doubt it's actually a girl working in the propaganda department, the name literally means Marshal Zhou and that guy also uses a lot of RWtwitter chud talking points to grift which I doubt would be sanctioned by whatever CPC higher-ups he would have.
>>2541235The guy could have just taken any girl's photo for that one shot with the leg. The rest ofc he could take himself if he lives there.
>>2542490https://www.youtube.com/@IndiaGlobalLeft/https://www.youtube.com/@geopoliticshaiphonghttps://www.youtube.com/@justinpodurmaybe CGTN?
all the others i can think of arent commies stuff like new atlas, neutrality studies, dialogue works, the duran, glenn diesen, or only cover domestic
>>2542559You are retarded, an islamophobe and an anti Arab racist. Not to mention historically illiterate. Look up which country has the biggest population of muslims in the world and then tell me when this was done "by the sword". Fucking imbecile
>>2542584What did they do to the Arab pagan "mushrik", the Persian Zoroastrian "majus" and the Central Asian Buddhists who refused to convert? How did Islam spread to Eastern Europe?
>>2542588Please tell me how the country with the highest muslim population today was conquered by the sword. I'll be waiting thanks
>B..But what about these times that they killed pagansChristians did it worse
Y'all owe an apology to mister Bessent, he was right about everything. China cucked out while Trump conquered. Fat /ptg/ W , massive L doodoo on /prc/ forehead.
What did Trump "capitulate" to? He reduced tariffs from 57% to 47% (that's nothing btw.)
He also removed the 10% tariffs on fentanyl (an ingredient that USA needs to buy more than China needs to sell). Yeah the thirsty guy managed to blackmail a guy selling him water, somehow.
And investigation and restrictions on Chinese ships got delayed.
That's it. Yes that's really it.
Now what did Xi capitulate to? COMPLETE REMOVAL OF ALL RARE EARTH CONTROLS LMAO
Y'all better start coming up with new nicknames for Xi btw. This is almost as bad as Cucktin getting strung along in Alaska and Budapest this year. Shit like this makes you want to believe all those military coup fan fics from Gordon Chang. Xi can't even control his bowels let alone China. Nothing about Taiwan, nothing about EV ban. Xi completely melted in front of Trump. Chinese Century of Capitulation.
>you're lying noohttps://www.mofcom.gov.cn/syxwfb/art/2025/art_e8453c07ce374814ba65bdb6ff5813c4.html>>2542606He really is a gay Chad. He's carrying this administration harder than even Blinken did with Biden's circus.
>>2542588NTA but all religions spread by the sword. And religion is fucked no matter where it rears its ugly head
>>2542603>COMPLETE REMOVAL OF ALL RARE EARTH CONTROLS<.2. The U.S. will suspend for one year the implementation of its 50% penetration rule for export controls announced on September 29. China will suspend for one year the implementation of relevant export control measures announced on October 9 and will study and refine specific plans.not only does this not include all the rare earth control measures implemented
before october 9th, which already make magnet manufacturing without china practically impossible, the export controls implemented
after october 9th are only being suspended for a year. in practice they'll be re-implemented within 6 months once trump inevitably does something that contradicts this deal. idk what you get out of being such a catastrophist honestly
>>2542621Okay, lots of noise out there, so the way to decide whether anyone cucked is quite simple: Compare 1 January 2025 (before Trump had time to upset the status quo) with what's in effect the day this deal is implemented. Cuz if Trump still has some shit in there against China while China has rolled back everything it imposed just to get a
partial rollback of Trump's shit, well…
I refuse to believe in XACO
>>2542665Xaverius College, Belgium?
Chinese always love meritocracy, so do me.
Huge damage control walls of cope by pro-China pundits on twitter. Even bigger gloating by MAGA crowd. China also committed to buy a "tremendous amounts of soy beans" as the final cum squirt in this cuckold creampie. Trump will also "vigilantly monitor Chinese compliance". Also yes, rare earths are no longer restricted.
I'm sorry but you can try packaging this as anything other than total Chinese capitulation and I can only wish you luck. Because it's an outright bad deal and even worse optics. I don't know how will Xi save face among the more hawkish voices on weibo, which includes an increasingly popular Hu Xijin, shitting on communism.
Cucktin? Chad in comparison. Even when he cucks around and licks western ass he has people around him not so subtly calling him a borderline traitor and implying they'll window his ass.
Xi? Pulling the whole of China into a humiliation ritual and even censoring negative comments on weibo under MoFA announcements.
XACO doesn't have a catchy ring to it but it's a good start, we need something more humiliating in order to be apt.
>>2543020You are literally the MAGA crowd.
>>2543025Because I want Xi to finally take off the kid's gloves and the retard helmet? China had the US in a checkmate. Now they're in full retreat having accomplished nothing and wasting their rare earth gambit.
Also in the meantime: AIPAC in Taiwan, Malaysia rare earth deal with US, Korea with tens of billions in investments in US with Boramae exports for Philippines to fight China and a crazy right wing Japanese PM arming up against "China threat".
Just Chinese L after L for an entire month. It's easier to cope about Cuckting than it is about Xi these days and that's saying something.
>>2543034You are literally a MAGA Cucktin poster.
>>2543039Alright, carry on.
>>2542621This
>>2543034>full retreatLel, the only thing China needs is for amerifats to keep sending them their money, you are implying they are "cucking" as if they were the ones that started the trade war. They have insisted since the beginning that they dont want a trade war, it doesnt benefit them. Any type of de-escalation is a W for China.
>AIPAC in Taiwan and some japanese schizo american puppetIf AIPAC does to the Taiwan rulling class what it did to the american rulling class then Xi has nothing to fear, and the retarded Trump simp from Japan seems like the local equivalent to losers like Milei and Bolsonaro, there is no way she will last more than 5 years, and she will most likely weaken Japan's position in the long term, and China plays the long game.
Cope and seethe.
>>2539674>>2539679The problem for those who think that modern monetary theory is simply printing money is that, apart from the fact that MMT talks about the real limits of deficits such as resources and labor force, they confuse it with quantitative easing, which is something completely different.
>>2543034>Because I want Xi to finally take off the kid's gloves and the retard helmet? China had the US in a checkmate. Now they're in full retreat having accomplished nothing and wasting their rare earth gambit.They just gently showed America that they are on a leash held by China. You don't understand Eastern thinking or diplomacy. You think "taking the gloves off" is whatever aggressive shit the US would do, but applied by China.
>>2532483China is de facto and de jure a "democratic dictatorship of the people in the preliminary stage of socialism" where the workers and peasants are the primary subject but in an alliance with the petty bourgeoisie and the national bourgeoisie.
Still, cute video tho
>>2543130What is happening is, to use Deng's metaphor with the bird in the cage representing the chinese market vs the communist party, the US more and more feels like its flapping around that same cage.
>>2542574thank you comrade
>>2543176
What was eliminated was the imperialist comprador bureaucratic-capitalist class and foreign monopoly capitalists. China built up a national bourgeoisie from scratch that is loyal to the party, nobody denies that China has a bourgeoisie.
>>2543220Yes and they poke fun at him for riding a bicycle to work.
>>2543383must be hard to be a China hater lately
>>2543238>in America they make fun of you if you get cardio on way to work instead of burning gallons of petrol in traffic jamUnironically. More people thank you'd think believe it's the height of faggotry to be a man and not drive a car.
>>2543020Not sure what the plan is with suspending the rare-earth export controls for a year. That just allows the US to stock up and make some pressure-free progress toward its 5-10 year plan of rare-earth independence.
As for the other stuff, I'm awaiting far more details, but I would look to see whether China has given up leverage on account of a mere US 'pinky promise'. Trusting to the US to adhere to a 'pinky promise' is foolish but perhaps tolerable when the leverage can be re-exerted immediately in the case of a violation.
>>2543758>China is reliant on their won consumers first and foremost, exports are just a cherry on topWell if Bessent is right, it's actually the other way around.
>>2542593So you’re saying Islam is no better than Christianity. Just because they didn’t spread to SEA through conquest doesn’t mean they didn’t establish themselves through conquest nearly everywhere else.
>>2543034>AIPAC in Taiwan>crazy right wing Japanese presidentThis is a good thing, actually, because it means those governments are about to be driven into the ground.
>>2543668They only suspended restrictions made on 9/10 which was the "0.1% RE content means export restrictions". The real meat of the export controls - approval for sales based on end-user (no dual-use!), preventing stockpiling, no transfer of refining tech - was done before then and remains untouched.
Hey, so i didn't follow. Who cucked out first? Or was it a mutual cucking out?
>>2543831Don't believe it until we see the agreement
>>2543831The US rescinded it's 50% rule. Stupid ass AI. That's the rule that prompted the rare earth export controls! Not tariffs.
IF CHINA IS SO GREAT, WHY WON'T IT LIBERATE ME FROM NATO OCCUPATION? CHINA IS GREEDY TRAITOR KEEPING GOOD GOVERNANCE TO CHINESE PEOPLE ONLY, CHINA IS RACIST NAZIST TO NON-CHINESE, IF CHINA WASN'T NAZI IT WOULD GOVERN ME TOO!
>>2543895So, you read it that 10% decrease in tariffs is a bonus?
>>2543777This is why we're so quick to call you a glowie. China currently has about a 6% of GDP trade surplus, and around 20% of GDP total exports. The important thing is that the share of exports that goes to the US is dropping, and the majority of trade is with non-US / non-EU countries, the EU + US come out together to 30-40% of trade flows.
Moreover, in reality, since roughly 2008, when the West had its GFC, China has been an investment dependent economy, and is arguably a stimulus-based economy right now, with both massive and exorbitant Chinese state holdings financing economic growth, which, at the present rate of spending, can last for 10-30 years.
Westerners in general are ignorant about their relevant positions in part because China has a hide brightness policy, and in part because Western policy establishments want to sound like they can win the New Cold War.
But in reality, if you look at the behavior of the US government, which has been phenomenonally conciliatory beyond the trade war, the establishment analysts know what the balance of power is, and it's not favorable to the West.
The NCW is partially being called off right now because barring surprises (Chinese inability to get EUV up, black swan economic collapse in China, which is increasingly unlikely given how the Gordon Changs have thought of everything), the West is slated to lose.
>>2543919How do you calculate 20% of GDP exports?
>>2543758 It's obviously less than that
>>2543831Stop using AI to think for you retard, it’s just regurgitating the stuff it sees the most. Read about the matter yourself and you’ll see that they only rolled back restrictions from October which were a response to the tariffs.
>>2543919He has gay Nazi flag he’s obviously baiting
>>2543951many people on this website are both very stupid and autistic, and this creates problems
>>2537221>>2537705So Arnaud Bertrand caught some flac for his (and SCMP's) observation on the noticeable shift in mainstream media reporting on China in the past few months. However he's been getting vindicated lately.
When BBC did it first everyone noticed it
>>2537833 because it was BBC World (and Reuters and DW) that seethed the most about China all these years, being primarily responsible for spreading Xinjiang genocide Zenz lie. They were putting even the Economist and FOX/SKY news to shame at times.
So it was jarring to see them talk positively about China, especially on climate issues and without their infamous "BBC filter".
(A not so) honorable mention to FT first reporting about Chinese hypersonic glide vehicle test that took the Pentagon by surprise but this is discounted because it wasn't done out of praise but out of fearmongering to drum up more MIC spending.
However, finally, we now see clear as day how the western mainstream media is reporting the Xi-Trump meeting: Outright praising China. Not just saying they won the negotiations but that they were strong and justified in their rebuke of the American bully. That's fucking hilarious. They are cheerleading Xi harder than the Chinese state media. They are more approving of China in their negotiated terms than some of the posters ITT. That's insane.
Now I suspect that the REAL reason why this is happening is that they're doing this because they hate Trump more and would rather side with anybody (even China in this case) finally putting the bumbling orange geriatric in his place. But if that's the case then this whole situation gets even funnier and beneficial to China.
3 more years!
>>2544211>infamous "BBC filter".QRD?
China
>>2544250BBC puts piss filter over their videos about China to make it look smoggy and polluted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS8EceIa1MQThey also always use the few stock footages if the honor guard in front of Mao portrait in Beijing and NEVER show the city skylines or any modernity - always focusing on street vendors and tuk tuks instead. It was rampant during 2016-2020.
This is why so many normies were shocked by Chinese cities once they went viral after being suppressed for so long. It triggered amazement in normies and utter ass pain in NAFO cucks, always going "Capitalims build that" or "that's a fake AI potemkin skyscraper" or "only the elites live in those few cities the rest of the China is a desert."
tl;dr Anglo lies.
If China and USA make a peace deal and divide the world does that mean Kautsky's ultra imperialism came true.
>>2544280G2? China told US to fuck off with that like 4 times now. Even during Obama. It goes against their principles and being tied to US alliance on these decisions would just be boarding a sinking ship.
China invested in global south BRI. They don't care about yet another anglo empire and its currency collapsing. They outlasted the British empire and the pound - they'll let the GAE and dollar burn too.
>>2544211Rand did a 180 on China
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/rand-urges-for-major-chinese-re-think It's likely that bourgeoisie is doing "a conspiracy theory" aka bourgeois class interest of not antagonizing China now
>>2544211>>2544313For example, this:
In the next long section of the paper, the authors even meticulously go over various internal CPC proclamations and “secret speeches” with a fine-toothed comb, re-interpreting many of the alleged ‘harsh’ statements made by Xi and his compatriots with more nuanced translations of key words, which were previously misconstrued for having threatening or bellicose connotations.
Several of the authors have also translated Chinese terms with more hawkish English alternatives than the original Chinese language sources may imply. We give four examples of such translations and interpretations in this section a reference to using “tools of dictatorship”; the difference between “sharp” and “violent” struggle with the West; the subtle differences in translating Chinese terms into “offensive” in English; and the use of the translation “magic weapon.”
I do hope they try to retranslate various stuff like CCP into CPC and private companies in China into people's companies
>>2544334Personally, I enjoy how cowardly bourgeoisie is. Fash scum like in Israel would have tried to start a WW3, but these guys get slapped back and immediately start to behave (or pretend to)
anyone have the video of two retards saying exactly to eachother about how "china cant make stuff if we dont buy it"?
>>2544275there was a good parody of this but you can only find actual BBC when searching :(
>>2544522Sony Online Entertainment must be stopped
>>2544275>Anglo lies.I fucking hate them so much
>>2543895>The US rescinded it's 50% rule. Stupid ass AI. What we really need is a neat little non-AI-generated table with two columns, one column showing which 2025 measures China still has in effect and one column showing which 2025 measures the US still has in effect. Then we can see who's been cucked in 2025, if anyone. What's been removed from the table doesn't matter – it's what remains as the new state.
Why are some of the people who are commenting on the China-US deal saying that a big win for China was that the US will stop doing something in April 2026?
lmao, imagine giving the US something in return for an IOU six months down the line. Couldn't be me. I'm not gullible.
>>2545091Because the BIS 50% Rule, which was about to place tens of thousands of Chinese companies on an entity list, cutting them off from banks and payment systems, got pulled back after the rare earth retaliation.
This gives China time to recalibrate in peace. And China CAN recalibrate because this is just an infrastructural dollar issue, while the US cannot recalibrate the rare earths - so they are in no danger of US changing their mind. They will both try to engage in the divorce but only China will succeed in the same period (even Russia did it under the same pressure).
Western media is dogshit and didn't report on the BIS 50% Rule which was done after the Madrid agreement, making it extra inflammatory. Western media didn't report this because they wanted to portray China as lashing out for no reason (and reading this thread they succeeded since even here nobody talks about BIS 50% Rule) and also because the full context was humiliating. US thought they'd get away with such a backstabbing undiplomatic act after they promised no new measures but then China kneecapped them in an instant.
If you start shit but then get repelled, with all of your measures being cancelled then you are the one who lost.
China bans its biggest tech companies from acquiring Nvidia chips, says report — Beijing claims its homegrown AI processors now match H20 and RTX Pro 6000D>The Cyberspace Administration of China (CAC), the country’s top internet regulator, has reportedly banned its biggest tech companies, including ByteDance and Alibaba, from buying Nvidia’s AI chips. According to the Financial Times, the CAC said that these institutions should stop testing the new RTX Pro 6000D and cancel their orders, even though several companies had already indicated their interest in purchasing tens of thousands of these GPUs, which were set to replace the H20 after it was banned (but before it was unbanned again). This goes against the initial reports that reception for the more affordable AI China-specific GPU was lukewarm — instead, it turns out that the central government was blocking the purchase of these graphics cards. This new ban comes just weeks after companies were directed to stop ordering Nvidia H20 chips, too.>Beijing reportedly believes that homegrown AI chip makers, like Huawei and Cambricon, now produce chips that have comparable performance to Nvidia’s China-only products. And although Team Green might still have an advantage with its software stack, other Chinese tech giants like Tencent are pushing to build their own infrastructure to replace that. Because of these developments, China’s chip makers are ramping production in anticipation of the glut of orders coming from companies that need AI chips but can’t purchase Nvidia products.>This news comes soon after the country accused Nvidia of breaking its anti-monopoly law, with the chipmaker facing fines of up to 10% of its China revenue.>Chinese industry leaders believe that this move is part of the central government’s effort to break free from American technology and boost its homegrown semiconductor industry. “The message is now loud and clear,” one executive told the Financial Times. “Earlier, people had hopes of renewed Nvidia supply if the geopolitical situation improves. Now it’s all hands on deck to build the domestic system.”https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-bans-its-biggest-tech-companies-from-acquiring-nvidia-chips-says-report-beijing-claims-its-homegrown-ai-processors-now-match-h20-and-rtx-pro-6000d >>2545261Old news. But very based how they told Nvidia to fuck off with their downgraded scraps.
Once this shit bubble pops it's taking out the entire country in a nuclear blast. It's gonna make the Dotcom bubble look like a fucking joke.
So China is restarting deliveries of the Nexperia chips before the Netherlands gives it back Dutch Nexperia? C'mon, Xi, man… :-/
>>2544285G2 was Xi's idea the first time around. Now, China is more interested in managing the declining hegemony than killing it; I'm surprised Xi didn't bite on crushing the US by extending rare earths bans.
Maybe he's waiting for Chinese DUVi and EUV to come online; apparently China's limited to 11nm DUVi domestically and EUV is late.
Once Chinese imported 6nm comes online in bulk, China will be 2.5 nodes behind the West in imported litho and 4.5 nodes behind in domestic. Having a stable 2 node gap is necessary for China to keep up, because nodes are power efficiency these days and China has 50% power costs.
>>2545936They can push to 7nm on DUV
I'm excited to see what they can do on the next tock
Mao did cutural revolution wrong while Kim il sung knew how to did it properly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogy9brlNqOY>>2545908trust the plan, retard
>>2545908Here are the details:
The actual "HQ" in Netherlands is no longer the HQ. They bypassed it and the wafers will be fully Chinese with no Dutch parts. The priority orders will be local/Chinese, the rest of the world including the Euro car makers are now a secondary market with reduced volume.
And the most important? It's traded in Yuan and no longer in dollars even for western orders.
Also the US won't be intervening to beg China on the EU part. They don't care and now that the BIS 50% Rule is pulled, the whole reason for even nationalizing Nexperia was unneeded.
Think about that. US "advised" the Dutch to nationalize Nexperia because the US was about to put it on the entity list with the BIS 50% Rule, since the owners and the CEO are Chinese.
The Dutch, knowing Nexperia would be essentially sanctioned from their own market by the US entity list, stole Nexperia by abusing a war time food provisions law and they made out the insulting lie that the Chinese were stealing company secrets (even though it's a Chinese company).
And what happened? Trump cucked out and cancelled the BIS 50% Rule which was the reason why the Dutch stole the company in the first place. Trump ordered the EU to burn the bridge then lie why they did it - only to completely disregard why he told them to do that at all. The EU committed humiliation ritual suicide for no reason. Again.
Next time you see NAFO cuckolds writing fics about the EU/Netherlands being serious countries that exist as opposed to slave animal circuses just link them a wikipedia entry for Nexperia.
>>2546146Good post. Huge embarrassment for the dutch proving they're simply US vassals
>>2535294True just like the collapse of Rome, the diggers, the peasant rebellions, Cromwell, and Thermidor prove that republicanism is impossible.
>>2545952On ASML DUVi, not domestic DUVi. Once China gets DUVi, all bets are out the window because China will be subsidizing cheap lithography machines to attempt to get the cost down. China in theory can push 2-3 nodes beyond what the West can, using low costs to offset low yields and throughput.
>>2546174Ngl his videos feel a bit like coping
>>2546187>explain feelzitz just feelz like that, man
>>2546146>The EU committed humiliation ritual suicide for no reason. Again.i coomed, again
>>2546186Americans are coping hard with the fact that they tried to "decouple" from China with a trade war when they were in fact more dependent on China than vice versa. The Chinese person looks around their house and finds everything made in China. The American person looks around their house and finds everything made in China. What does that tell you?
>>2546293socialism vs capitalism, dictatorship vs democracy
>>2546293the point is of course true. and while there are some places in rural china that are still quite poor there is nothing so severe as the widespread systematic poverty all over india. still, those are select shots of capital of guizhou. not representative of the province as a whole.
>>2546519What would be a literally very bad place in China?
>>2546548Probably some rust belt towns that had their industries shut down and moved elsewhere due to market changes, or mining towns. Now those are a ecological horror show.
>>2546954Europe is going to become so fascist Hitler will seem like a Partisan.
>>2546964Most of these people are not going to Europe. Do you see where those black spots are located? They are directly near the Sahara desert, which is a very Islamic part of Africa. Either they will move south to Sub Saharan countries with sizeable Muslim majority/population, or they will move north to Mena
>>2546954its over, isnt it
>>2546966Mean is also in the unliveable zones
>>2547223what possibly made you think this was the thread for this? Please return to your containment and stay there.
>>2547223the funniest thing is that he really nailed how all the moderators here dress and look like. I could practically tag them frame by frame
>>2533022Read Lenin retard
>>2547248it do be like that
>>2547227That is perfect for this thread, actually. People on here freak out just like that over China.
>>2546146This is similar to what Ukraine did with Motor Sich. That move was called stupid and "Latin American" by most people at the time. I did not think that the Netherlands will stoop to this level so quickly. It makes one think: what the hell will be going on in Europe by 2050? It's very difficult to see anything positive happening there right now.
>>2546578and do China's "rust belt" towns look anywhere close to what is on display in New Delhi? For the record I hate the mockery of Indians and wish the best for them. I want Hindutva fascists to eat lead though.
>>2546146jdpon don strikes again
it is nonetheless a tragedy that the us holds this much power and that under a competent administration it could probably isolate china quite easily, considering how eager the vassals seem to be
>>2547223scarily accurate
Why haven't y'all moved to China yet?
>>2547554Healthcare is free in my country
>>2547554Learning Chinese is very difficult
>>2547223its all the /USApol/ regulars
>>2547554unless you marry a chinese girl its unlikely china will ever grant you permanent citizenship
>>2547554i dont have the skills.
>>2547223>>2547248so which one is Moffin?
>>2547737isnt it obvious?
By the way, has anyone tried spreading the conspiracy theory that after the US reshores semiconductors, it'll provoke a Taiwan war to destroy Taiwanese fabs and hog the high end of production?
Also, the "realistic" China collapse scenario and what will probably happen is that China will enter an economic plateau of 1-3% growth around 2035-2040, maybe 2045. Why? Demographic collapse.
But it's NOT, first, a kill shot because the Chinese will become ultra-natalist around that time, using a combination of subsidies, social support, and social pressure to get a 2.3-2.5 TFR up. It'll probably succeed, but will be extremely expensive.
Second, it's a plateau, not a crash. China will still be growing economically, just at a much slower pace. Previously, without a US collapse, China probably would have seen 60% of US GDP PPP per capita around 2050. Now, it'd probably be stuck in the 45-50% range for an extended period.
Third, by the time the plateau hits, China would probably have already overtaken the US.
>>2547788The plateau will be delayed because China will enter a golden age when western countries enter a civil war.
>>2547732Ok so what I'm hearing is Tigers and Flies worked.
I hope this line of 'Xi is the secret sauce' is just nationalist nonsense and the party is capable of running a country without Le Great Man cult shit.
>>2547554I managed to fall into a sweet six-figure bullshit job in the West and porky hasn't found out yet. I don't actually have transferable skills that the PRC requires, in fact they'd be more likely to pay me to stay here.
>>2547798Not with a greyed population it won't.
The three way game is between China, India, and the West. The West is extremely sickly, and China isn't strong enough to keep India down forever.
Demographic policy will work; it'll likely be nasty in two ways between human rights (of course China can never do anything right by Western accounts) and the exorbitant expense, but it'll take 3-5 decades before China's population recovers.
The deal is, though, China will be growing too slowly to keep the Indians out of the way. China will have to deal with either a strong or half-baked India, and the best case outcome is condominium instead of conflict.
>>2547554it is my duty to make the burger reich better (or, failing that, get rid of it), not make china worse
>>2547815India is irelevant
>>2548039yeah it's only a nuclear power with 1.4 billion people and the third largest economy on earth
>>2547554I want a revolution in my own country
>>2547223you really captured the gist of those people reasoning by gotchas
>>2548041>Nuclear powerYeah like pakistan and dprk
>1.4 billion peopleThat dont do anything of note
>3rd largest economy in the worldFinancial schemes and low level manufacturing
>>2547815>China isn't strong enough to keep India down foreverIndia is keeping India down. And if they remain a neoliberal capitalist shithole they will do it forever.
>Demographic Doesn't matter. Stop listening to Zeihan. China can easily thrive even with half of current population. Besides they're in better spot than the rest.
>India>IndiaShut up, please.
>>2548041>nuclear power Who cares? They don't even have a nuclear triad.
>with 1.4 billion people Who gives a flying fuck? USA was an industrial superpower with 200 million people.
>third largest economy on earthThey count cow dung into the GDP. To quote LKY: "Please don't even bring up India in the same sentence as China."
>>2547815>China isn't strong enough to keep India down forever.that's not really relevant but india has a long, long ways to go before it catches up to china. remember, china's gdp is 3x larger than the total gdp of africa and india combined. so even though the GDP growth rate of India (7%) was higher than China (5 percent) last year, the overall growth rate of china is still higher because 5 percent of a 19 trillion gdp is larger than 7 percent of 3 trillion gdp.
Real value added to the GDP, 2024
India: $0.22 trillion
China: $0.93 trillion
even if China stays stagnant at 0%, India will need to grow at 7% for 24 years to catch up. but this is forgetting that china is india's top trade partner… India imported $18 billion just in electronic components afrom China last year
>>2547815>populationchina already has a bulge in the alpha pipeline that is a bigger generation than zoomers. and by 2050 the number of retirees per 100 will still be less than what japan has in the current year. china graduates about 9x as many new engineers last year for every retiring engineer
and if you look at china's degree of urbanization, it was 29% in 2000 and 66% in 2023. comparatively in the US it's 82% and in japan it's 91%, so china's urban population still has a ways to go. urban workers are also 4 times more productive than rural workers to the economy.
>>2551329china could have run into some problems like japan in the 1990s however Japan started growing old when AI/highly sophisticated automation wasn't a thing.
the most brvtal trvthnvke is that everything aligned perfectly for China. Its demographic dividend (large young population) swept up the manufacturing on the planet in the 90s-2000s. it's now beginning to reap the intellectual dividend from millenials and zoomers who are much more educated than their parents, who have better access to nutrition and healthcare, who are now driving the innovation for BYD, DJI, Huawei, Deepseek, Unitree, etc, companies guided in industrial policy and strategic long term planning by the CPC.
the more advance industrialization and intellectual dividend of today will facilitate their fourth industrial revolution of automation as their blue collar force is retiring over the next decades. the 2030s and 2040s is when they will begin to reap the benefit of the AI/automation dividend. goldman sachs predicts up that to 50% of jobs could be fully automated by 2045, driven by generative AI and robotics.
the ML state structure also gives China a unique position to transition peacefully and strategically towards the realization of a mature socialism (2049) and toward the material foundation necessary for realizing communism. common prosperity will be achieved!
meanwhile, mass unemployment in the USA will likely be far more destabilizing, contested, and even violent as the bourgeoise like peter thiel, elon musk, mark zuckerberg, jeff bezo fortify their compounds, militarize the police, and desperately cling on to maintain the decaying neoliberal order by sicking their robot dogs on us, in the midst of intensifying culture wars
>>2551339Marx in "Fragment on Machines"
>"As soon as labour in the direct form has ceased to be the great well-spring of wealth, labour time ceases and must cease to be its measure, and hence exchange value must cease to be the measure of use value."Capitalism cannot resolve or survive this. When human labor is no longer the main source of wealth, then labor-time can no longer serve as the measure of value. Currently, human labor is still the main source of wealth, but as this shift to intelligent automated machines becoming the main productive forces (Xi's "New Quality Productive Forces" where less and less human labor is needed, this will transform the relations of production.
Marx in "Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy"
>"No social order ever perishes before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have developed; and new, higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself. " >>2551349it's why the US, as a post industrialized advance capitalist state, is caught in zugzwang against China.
Marx in Communist Manifesto
>"The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society.">"The bourgeois mode of production is the last antagonistic form of the social process of production but the productive forces developing within bourgeois society create also the material conditions for a solution of this antagonism."as US/Wallsteret invests trillions more into AI and automation, it devalues labor and erodes market legitmacy.
if it slows AI and automation, it falls behind China and loses global competitiveness.
but you can't stop a tidal wave. we're seeing a qualitatively leap in productive forces that is different from the old productive forces. it's not merely just efficient tools of the 1st to 3rd industrial revolution that enhanced human labor. it's an entire new way of producing value because it replaces human labor. this disrupts the circuit of capital:
M — C — P — C — M
(Money — Commodity — Production — Commodity — Money)
if labor is no longer central to production, then profit becomes harder to extract, and capitalism’s internal engine begins to sputter. AI automation invalidates the foundations of capitalism and late stage capitalist states. the lack of need for wage labor destroys the foundation of surplus value extraction. the lack of meaningful scarcity undermine markets, prices, and profit motive. lack of employment creates social unrest and galvanizes social revolutions to transform the relations of production and super structure. china already created a revolutionary marxist leninist super structure in the 1950s. they had their revolution. they just needed the productive forces to catch up to the superstructure so then it can synthesize onto a higher relations of production.
>>2547554Don't move to China, it's not like you can help, there's an excess of skilled labor anyways.
>>2547774If it provokes such a war for its own gain then I doubt it would fight in it, or at least do more than a few symbolic strikes.
>>2547815China won't be dealing with India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will be. They have far too much trouble with them to seriously provoke China.
>>2548041Pakistan is also a nuclear power. I get what you're saying about how they have potential to rise like China did, but it's not happening under Modi or any other presumably Hindutva leader who succeeds him in the foreseeable future.
>>2532938then why did Mao purge Deng?
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