New thread? So previous thread is full?
How?!?! Barely anything is happening
>>2525127Well, no, there's a lot happening, but the threads have been filling up fast because of retarded nafoid spam.
Interimp
There's something incredibly funny about Russian Azov lads from Kharkov going to actual (western) Ukraine and establishing a reign of terror to show the swineherds how to be real Banderites.
Imagine being a 4th generation hereditary Ukrainian nationalist whose grandfather was buddies with Stepan Bandera and then some Ivan Petrov from a Kharkov commieblock who doesn't even speak Ukrainian comes to torture you for not being Ukrainian enough.
Russia's T-72 Porcupine Tank
Russia has once again updated its technology. RT posted this video btw
https://b23.tv/ar7XzC3>>2525150>just throw a bunch of shit on top of it>technologyI'm pro-russia but cmon
Good article from NC
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/10/the-trump-putin-phone-call-us-makes-process-concession-to-russia-and-trump-softens-stance-on-tomahawks.html
>There has been a lot of excited commentary about the Trump-Putin phone call, after which it appears Trump over-hyped the idea that another Trump-Putin summit would happen soon. Not even having seen the kinda-sorta readouts, Douglas Macgregor was of the “prove it to me” school in terms of seeing if this gambit amounted to a meaningful step forward. If you read the Trump statement and the recap of the phone call from Putin’s aide Yury Ushakov, reproduced in full from the Kremlin site at the end of this post, there is indeed much less here than the excited reactions would have you believe. Importantly, the Ushakov remarks make clear that the much-ballyhooed idea of a next summit was discussed but not agreed by the Russian side. Recall also that Trump just claimed in a call with Modi that Modi had agreed to stop importing Russian oil. India issued a tortured-so-as-apparently-not-to-call-Trump-a-liar denial.
>As we’ll review, the practical significance of this call and follow-up meetings appears more to be to buy both Trump and Putin more room for maneuver domestically. A related element of significance is that the call mildly disproves the recent din of criticism in Russia, even by the Russian Foreign Ministry, that the process that Putin attempted to get started in the Alaska summit was dead. That has been to confirm the argument by hardliners who are apparently getting much the broader public that Putin has been way too soft in his prosecution of the Ukraine war and vis-a-vis Trump, that Russia should quit fooling around with pretending that there is any point in talking to the West, and the only resolution to the war is a military one. Even though yours truly does not follow the Russian press, even at this considerable remove, it has been apparent that the Russian media, including even Putin’s favorite Pavel Zarubin, has been questioning Putin aggressively on this topic, which is out of character for the press pool.
>However, this does not change the fact that there will be no negotiated settlement to this war, absent “negotiation” being Russia allowing Ukraine to get some very mild softening of a capitulation agreement or perhaps some “negotiation” with a successor regime in rump Ukraine after the current one decamps to set up a government in exile. There is no overlap between the Russian and the Ukraine/US/EU position. Ukraine and most of the European states will not accept a neutral Ukraine and in particular, a commitment that it not eveh join NATO (or a militarized EU as way to evade the requirement). Ukraine has autonomy; the US cannot do a deal with Russia over Ukraine’s head. Admittedly, the US could compel Ukraine to fall into line by cutting off all intelligence but Congress would not tolerate that. Recall Lindsey Graham threatened Trump with the claim that he had 80 votes, as in more than enough to prevail in an impeachment trial, for his “bone-crushing” sanctions. Graham can presumably round up the same suspects again.
>If you look at the Alaska summit, it did accomplish two small things. First, Putin did manage to persuade Trump to drop his insistence on “ceasefire first, negotions next”. Keep in mind that this is a process issue, and not a substance (what does a peace amount to?) issue. As skeptics correctly pointed out, this looked simply like a gambit for Ukraine to regroup and attempt to rearm.
>Second, recall that right before the Alaska gathering was set up, Trump was under very heavy pressure by Graham and Richard Blumenthal to impose those “bone crushing secondary sanctions on nations that traded in Russian oil, which would kill trade with China and many others stone cold dead. Trump may have believed other nations might knuckle under but was in the process of finding with India that they were a backfire. So the summit also allowed him to hold off the demands of the Russia hawks. Buying time was productive. First, it became evident at least to some that they had failed with India. Second, the Trump team finally came up with its show-stopper: it would impose them only if the EU did too. Their refusal enabled Trump to wave off Graham’s and Blumenthal’s demands.
>Recall that the new escalatory demand has been for the US to equip Ukraine with Tomahawk missiles. The pretense that little green men other than Americans can operate them is even more ludicrous than with other US systems.
>Even though experts have debunked five ways to Sunday whether this can even be done. One of many issues: to keep the pretense is that Ukraine is operating the missiles, it would need to be a ground-launched system. The only one that maybe exists now is ginormous and Russia could almost certainly destroy the platform. On top of that wee problem, there are too few missiles to make any difference. See Black Mountain Analysis for an exhaustive analysis of the general issue.
>However, this step is massively provocative as a mere idea. Tomahawks are nuclear capable. Even if Russia is absolutely certain none of the Tomahawks fired at it were nuclear-equipped, it cannot allow this precedent. Putin and others have been walking the line of not getting hair-on-fire about this (which would embolden the many nutters in the US and NATO states) while trying to convey that this would be a Very Bad idea.
>Putin appears to have made progress on that front in his conversation:
<One phone call and Tomahawk Missiles are off the table and Trump is hustling to Budapest to meet with Putin.
>And the mere timing of the call is a kick in the head to Zelensky, who is in Washington today to demand those Tomahawks. From the BBC:
< Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will meet with US President Donald Trump in Washington on Friday, as Trump weighs whether to arm Ukraine with Tomahawk missiles capable of striking deep into Russia.
>Of course, Zelensky tried spinning that Russia was operating from weakness. From the same account:
< As Zelensky arrived in the US, his third visit since January, he said Moscow was “rushing to resume dialogue as soon as it hears about Tomahawks”.
>But we need to step back and look at the bigger context of the on-again, off again US-Russia talks. Since meetings started in Istanbul, Russia has been trying to get the US to negotiate in a grown-up manner, as in a way that will produce adequate understanding between the two sides so as to lead to detailed agreements that both sides can and will respect.
>Here I fail to understand why Russia bothers, save to somewhat reverse the very bad baseline between the two nations. The US has established repeatedly and consistently that it is utterly untrustworthy. So unless the Russian side are idiots, the purpose here is not to reach an agreement, but to improve communications and somewhat reduce the level of misunderstanding and friction, particularly so as to avoid a nuclear war (remember every war game the US has played out between the US and Russia has ended in a nuclear conflagration).
>Russia has proposed that each side pursue three tracks and had identified what each team should pursue. When criticized that this was all too low-level, Russia had even offered to deploy more senior officials (even though its team actually was heavyweight; the US suffers from Big Man syndrome, as so apparently anyone less that foreign minister Lavrov will not do).
>It was evident that the US was not prepared to do anything. Russia has some initial demands, including returning its impermissibly seized US diplomatic property and re-opening direct flights. The failure to do either points to US unseriousness and/or considerable bureaucratic opposition. I would keep an eye on those two matters as indictors of whether this new initiative is getting anywhere.
>Now with that background, where do things actually stand? First from Trump:
>So Trump admits to making a “shape of the table” concession to Putin, that there will be lower level discussions first, albeit not all that much lower, before a summit.
>Given the US pattern of not preparing for discussions, I would not hold my breath about progress being made quickly. Putin has said he was always willing to meet with Trump if groundwork were laid. One has to wonder what Steve Witkoff said in his three hours in person at the Kremlin to get Putin to relent and commit to the Alaska summit. It took Witkoff five hours to tee up this conversation.
>As you can see from Ushakov’s summary below, Putin has not yet agreed to a summit:
< In this context, it is worthy of note that the presidents discussed the possibility of holding another personal meeting. This is indeed a very significant development. It was agreed that representatives of both countries would immediately begin preparations for the summit, which could potentially be organised in Budapest, for instance.
>Notice the inconsistent tone: “immediately” teeing up an even that is merely a possibility. The squaring of that circle may simply be getting some national leader to agree to be a host if and when things progress. In keeping, Putins’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov is talking down timing expectations. From TASS in Putin-Trump meeting to be prepared gradually, many issues to be resolved — Kremlin:
< Preparations for a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart Donald Trump will be in several stages, as the leaders of diplomatic agencies are working on resolving a large number of issues, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said at a press briefing, replying to a question by TASS.
< “The thing is that the issue will be worked out by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Secretary of State Rubio,” the Kremlin official noted. “First, they will have a phone conversation and meet, and hold discussions on the topic, begin discuss all issues,” he noted.
< “There are a lot of issues – it is necessary to determine negotiating teams,” Peskov said. “Everything will be in stages,” he added.
>As to Budapest, perhaps Putin was too polite to point out in real time, assuming Trump suggested Hungary on the call, that Trump is map-challenged:
>And this is just tacky:
< It is noteworthy that one of the US President’s key arguments centred on the premise that the resolution of the conflict in Ukraine would open up tremendous – and he stressed this – tremendous prospects for the development of US-Russian economic cooperation.
>Those impatient with the progress of the conflict may be frustrated that these talks will help Putin in slow-walking the war, which is what they believe he has been doing. But one has to note that even before this call, Mark Sleboda, who has been the most accurate English-speaking commentator in projecting how it would advance, is now discussing Russian operations continuing into 2027. Of course, that pre-supposes no collapse, which could come about due to the electricity war, as opposed to the pace of operations in the east.
>However, recall that to Trump’s considerable anger, Russia did not slow its conduct of the war after the Alaska gathering. But there is a case to be made for Russia continuing to (merely) attrit Ukraine. We are seeing government in Europe start to break under the pressure of hysterical demands for more guns as opposed to butter as standards of living are already falling due to the reverberating impact of the rejection of cheap Russian gas. A “right wing” as in not-keen-about-fighting Russia coalition under Andrej Babis is forming a new government in the Czech Republic. Macron is a dead man walking in France. It is an open question as to whether he can hold off calling Parliamentary election until his term ends in May 2027, but both the left and Rassemblement Nationale are against more spending for Project Ukraine. The longer the war continues, the more EU member states will go into revolt. So as much as patience is maddening, there is method to this madness. Comprehensive analysis on the Tomahawk question.
The tl;dr is that for numerous technical, doctrinal, systemic, and practical reasons, sending tomahawks to Ukraine is at best only theoretically possible, but would require a tremendous investment of time, training, and resources that Ukraine doesn't have. For it to realistically work as intended there's no way they could be operated without the direct involvement of US military personel and resources, which defeats the entire purpose of sending them in the first place.
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/tomahawk-for-ukraine-never-ending
<Conclusion
>In this Substack, I previously discussed several cruise-missile options — Storm Shadow/SCALP, Taurus, and the newer JASSM — and there is both technical and material availability to some degree to use the latter two alongside Storm Shadow. Tomahawk is simply out of the question. As the conflict drags on, Ukraine is suffering from steady attrition despite enormous support from NATO allies; if current trends continue, attrition will eventually exhaust Ukrainian resistance. They need to finally accept that Western policy has been mishandled; for some, an earlier negotiated end would be preferable to eventual collapse. No number of cruise missiles, or anything else the collective West can dump there, however loudly demanded by warmongers in the West, will turn the tide.I WANT the US to send Ukraine Tomahawks. So the VVS can parade all the shot down Tomahawk wreckage pics on social media. Because God Almighty, are Tomahawks easy to detect and shoot down for any competent air force. RuAF and VVS are probably salivating at these trophies. Effectively, it's what the MiG-31 was designed to do.
>>2525165>>2525150both sides doing the same.
I still remember nafotards mocking the "cope cage".
>>2525299>So the VVS can parade all the shot down Tomahawk wreckage pics on social media.Alas, no one will care except a few /k/ tryhards.
The Tomahawk may very well be the symbol of American curb-stomping military might and technological superiority, however people were and are pretty cognisant of that being in comparison to Iraq but not necessarily to Russia now they've seen it's a bit more of an advanced foe than usual.
>>2525303i never understood what was 'coping' about defending oneself.
>>2525303>>2525338I remember when the "cope cage" was for Javelins and that's why only Russian tanks would ever need them and why Ukraine will win quickly, I'm that OG.
Don't really hear about Javelins anymore, I vaguely recall hearing that they proved to be a lot more situational in practice, accusations that the Ukrainians were wasting them by using them like Soviet rocket launchers (whatever that meant), something about them needing constant cooling to be useful, the electronics needing a lot of power/constant charging that wasn't possible for Ukraine's military, loads of them being abandoned or sold on the black market and all footage of tanks being destroyed show they were by direct fire rockets and missiles, if not drones or mines.
I'm guessing everyone expected the Javelin to be this war's Stinger missile.
>>2525338and some side stories about that: posts a Russian tank with "cope cage" and proceeds to post a destroyed tank (implying it was a Russian tank), and actually was an Ukrainian one. I've many in X/Twitter doing that. ah, good times.
>>2525351>and actually was an Ukrainian oneUkraine seemingly did this themselves, they showed drones dropping grenades down the hatch of a tank and destroying it (before FPV drones as we know them became a thing), but it was all but proven the tank was just one pulled out of a scrapyard with "Z"s painted over 20 years of rust.
>>2525343The US has already switched to JASSM, NSM, etc, and other more advanced missiles with reduced RCS and so on. These, of course, cost an arm and a leg or are air launchable only.
The US continues to send the Ukrainians hand me downs intended to blow up insurgents (and often not well) which promptly fail or get destroyed in Ukrainian service. Please, keep doing so.
And if the US sends the high-end anti-China arsenal, guess who has stated they won't accept a Russian defeat?
In other nato incompetence news, Sweden's new sub is set to double in price and production time.
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/10/foreign-ownership-in-west.html
<Sweden’s next-generation A26 Blekinge-class submarine programme has been hit by another major delay and soaring costs, pushing the first delivery to 2031 and raising total expenses to 25 billion SEK (2.3 billion EUR).
< Part of the delay is argued to be related to the poor state of the Kockums submarine yard, which has not built a new submarine since the Gotland-class delivered in the mid-1990’s. As such, while know-how has been retained to some extent thanks to design work on the Australian Collins-class, the upgrade of the Västergötland-class to the new Södermanland-class and to the Singaporean Archer-class respectively, and the Gotland-class MLU, a certain amount of delays and struggles with restarting production of a new class was to be expected. Still, the delivery time has now slipped from seven to 15 years between contract signing and first delivery, while the budget has more than doubled. This last delay is particularly difficult to swallow, as the political guidelines from the powerful Swedish Defence Commission (Försvarsberedningen) in their report on the future of Swedish defence in April 2024 took a stern view that further delays and cost overruns were unacceptable as that would impact both the submarine force and other naval development programmes. I don't think the rearmament plan is going to go very well.
>>2525358There's also surprisingly little on the Wikipedia page for the Javelin about its use in Ukraine, there's no mention of its use beyond 2022 but it did remind me of the "Saint Javelin" meme which just further demonstrates the extremely over-optimistic expectations placed on the Javelin.
There's the cope from cucktinists that the US could have, in hindsight, sent Tomahawks to Ukraine day one and cross the biggest red-line immediately, but with the reaction to Javelins being sent it kind of seems they already had.
Russian Iskander strike hits Ukrainian drone launch site – MOD>Dozens of kamikaze aircraft as well as five launch systems have been destroyed, according to Moscow<Moscow’s forces have hit a site used by the Ukrainian military to launch long-range kamikaze drones against Russia, the defense ministry in Moscow has announced.>As many as 65 unmanned Lyuty (‘Cruel’) class aerial vehicles were destroyed in the attack, as well as four trucks, five launchers and some 30 Ukrainian soldiershttps://swentr.site/russia/626633-islander-strike-ukrainian-drone-launch/Firstly, painfully tryhard name for the drone, I think that even beats the cringe of "Storm Shadow" and I'm now reasonably sure we will see a drone or missile called "Cock Vise" before this conflict ends.
Secondly, there is footage but no date, if this strike occurred a couple of weeks ago then that might explain the sudden demand for givas Tomahawks despite the assertion the current drone strikes on oil infrastructure are unstoppable and a lot more cost effective than cruise missiles.
>>2525362https://responsiblestatecraft.org/missile-stockpiles/
>"We do need to replenish our missiles. We burnt through them,” he explained.
>Indeed, Fredenburg estimated in August that Israel’s wars on Gaza and Iran, together with the U.S. campaign on Yemen’s Houthis earlier this year, consumed 33% of the U.S. stock of Standard Missile-3 (SM-3), and 17% of the Standard Missile-6 (SM-6), since 2023. The U.S. used a quarter of its THAAD missile interceptors during the Israel-Iran war alone. And the Guardian reported in July that the U.S. only had 25% of the Patriot missile interceptors it would need for the Pentagon’s military plans — having sent many to Ukraine, which still often lacks them.
>But, the current defense industrial infrastructure is not well suited to take on the rapid missile production rates the Pentagon wants to pursue.
>"We have a peacetime defense industrial base, and we've had that for decades…we're not really set up to quickly produce things,” Fredenburg said. “We don’t know how much more capacity they can squeeze out of existing facilities.”
>Cost is another roadblock. The “Big Beautiful Bill” passed earlier this year allocated $25 billion over the next five years toward munitions funding; the Pentagon’s new missile production targets may well cost tens of billions more.
>"This is a lot of money…many tens of billions of dollars, ultimately, to get to these kinds of [missile production] numbers” the Pentagon wants, Fredenburg told RS.
>To his point, the price of individual missiles can be staggering. For example, in September, the Army awarded Lockheed Martin nearly $10 billion to make nearly 2,000 PAC-3 Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missile interceptors — putting the cost of just one missile interceptor at several million dollars. The SM-6 (Standard Missile-6), which the Pentagon also wants to ramp up, costs about $4.3 million each.
>And it's not just about putting the missiles together but testing them and that can take months and cost hundreds of millions.
>As a point, experts say less complicated munitions production like 155 millimeter shells, have already fallen behind.
>“They've been trying to build-up 155 millimeter shell production, which is…relatively simple compared to missiles. And they've been having trouble doing that,” Fredenburg said. “What makes us think that they're going to be able to ramp this production up massively for much more sophisticated, more complex, more expensive weapon systems?” >>2525443>White FuhrerI'm sure there's nothing untowards there.
>>2525443>>2525446more:
tld;dr
azov 3rd regiment (blietsky-zelya alliance) is using his power to attack azov 12th regiment, through extorsion, some got arrested now, and then the white sun threatens to an alliance with
le asiatic horde, the rice-eaters and bearded ones, to fight the "globalschlomo".
>>2525527Wow, I can't believe Nazis would act like a bunch of thugs.
>Putin couldn't handle the growing domestic pressure over his non-response to the Tomacucks, phoned Trump, traded away his power-grid strikes in return for no Tomacucks
>>2525443Ziggers are the real nazis-I mean both sides!!!!!
Place your vote for the Hungary talks:
(A) Last-ditch effort at piss by Putin before declaring full war on the Ukraine to quell the growing domestic criticisms of appeasement that Mercouris and others have identified.
(B) Another pointless reiteration of incompatible demands from both sides that goes nowhere, followed by more attrition slog.
(C) Putin yielding to the green goblin's ceasefire/freeze.
>>2525446Heh
The Banderites offer to go neutral and abandon Europe for you
>>2525446>Zelensky tried to arrest Azov members before the warBut Ruzzia told me Zelensky was fascist? What should I believe now my fellow Ziggers?
>>2525729B, because I don't really see what can be said during "talks" that changes the fact Russia can achieve capturing the four oblasts, nor that Ukraine and NATO have seemingly given themselves a blank cheque to make that victory seem embarrassing.
So there's no reason for C because Russia is still advancing and the four oblasts are regions they control between 75%-100% of currently, any ceasefire that occurs after all are 100% captured will be for Russia to dig in and secure those gainz.
A, going full war would involve conscription and the vast majority of public spending to be directed to the conflict, which I suspect would be quite a bit more unpopular and if Ukraine's cheque is indeed blank, ramping up Russian expenditures on the conflict will be matched by NATO ramping up their expenditures in kind.
>>2525747>Tried to arrest fascists>Was overruled by fascists>Didn't resign as a now self-aware puppet leader of fascistsIt's that saying about the table of Nazis
>>2525527I feel like I've definitely seen this attitude before where there's the assumption that switching sides to align themselves with Russia's allies
against Russia was something that they can achieve unilaterally. That they can say
>Friendship with NATO over, China new best friendand immediately start talks on Chinese
givas and start fitting Zelenskycast screens in every mosque in the middle east to interrupt sermons and remind worshippers that it's not god protecting them from Rasha but him.
>>2525747>But Ruzzia told me Zelensky was fascist? What should I believe now my fellow Ziggers?There is a balance of power between civilian government and fascist militias empowered since 2014 after filling the void of the formers collapse to act as guardrails for transition. The two are linked enough to be a violent threat to populations in the east and south of Ukraine that reflect the region's multinational history which doesn't fit neatly in nation-state origin myths.
>>2525762>BSame, tho I obviously want A for the spectacles.
C wouldn't surprise me (C is for cuck), but it doesn't seem at all possible even for Putin after he's already refused it multiple times, and not enough has changed on the battlefield since Alaska for him to accept that.
>>2525747Why do nafoids insist on selective displays of toddler thinking? When asked why multiple world leaders happily met with Putin before 2022, nafoids are suddenly able to conceive of advanced concepts like "People change."
>>2525798I think the big take away from Putin saying Zelensky is an illegitimate leader despite the Rada stating otherwise
for now, is basically the current Ukrainian state isn't one that Russia can freeze the conflict with because that depends on the current regime's long-term stability to uphold a ceasefire, that is in contradiction with Russia's goal to "denazify" Ukraine and tbh really unlikely even without Russia actively trying to destabilise the political establishment with war.
Frankly, a ceasefire (if you could get Azovites to obey it, history shows they wouldn't) would last for as long as NATO continues to pay out and provide peacetime
givas for rebuilding their military.
The second they start cashing in, is the same second Ukraine's cannons start firing again with the first shell being Zelensky's severed head with the ceasefire agreement stuffed in his mouth. There's simply nothing Trump can offer that would convince Putin there's any mutual benefit to a ceasefire, so it can only be threats.
As I've said previously, I think the goal in terms of territory really is just the four oblasts and territorial changes at that point will genuinely stop, without the narrative that Ukraine is successfully "stalemating" a Russia that is throwing meatwaves at capturing "Yoga Studios", the onus is on Kiev to either put up or shut up about 1991 borders, which they won't and therefore the narrative almost certainly reverses to one where Ukraine is desperately trying to push the front-line back towards Russia but are failing.
At that point, I think the hopium runs out and the current regime is destabilised by Russia still being able to attack all of Ukraine without a ceasefire as usual and no movement at the front, but now without the copium of fetishising FPV drone footage against Russian advances and the reality that without Tomahawks, most of Russia's oil infrastructure (especially that supplying China and India) is out of reach.
Tomahawk status?
>>2525396Ukraine's government produced drones are crap. It's the classic neoliberal scam where those connected to the government have contracts to produce an inferior product to what troops are crowdfunding.
>>2525646Trump's just trying to get assassinated now.
>>2525343Javelins use thermal batteries which expire not based on use but time since activation. Apart from wasting them many Ukrops were too stupid to use them properly and were trying to direct fire them or just lob a missile.
Also the Stinger's impact in Afghanistan is vastly overstated.
>>2525839>the Stinger's impact in Afghanistan is vastly overstatedtell that to the hundreds of Soviet helicopter pilots who got BTFO by Bin Laden
>>2525343>Don't really hear about Javelins anymoreThey got made obsolete by drones. You can even take down a helicopter with a drone. Javelins are pointless now.
>>2525855Soviet helicopters kept flying despite the Stinger threat.
>>2525747>retreat from your clash with nazis after defeat and accept them as an essential part of your state effectively outside of your authorityyes?
How weather resistant are these smaller mavik drones? Why not do offensive operations during storm like conditions like heavy wind?
>>2525857Well yes but that’s the problem. Saint Javelin and Cope Cages had the NAFOids wetting themselves with joy at the start of the SMO, since the assumption was that Ukraine had been handed technological overmatch against Russia via Javelins, so those being obsoleted by drones that Russia was able to pioneer in tandem with Ukraine/NATO and even pull ahead with in terms of production and innovation suggests to me that Ukraine already had their “Tomahawk moment, and a lot of the cruelty of NAFO meming and wanking about drones killing wounded Russian soldiers now makes sense when you realise they’re coping with the catastrophic miscalculation that Ukraine was going to curb-stomp Russia with weapons too advanced for orcish minds to comprehend.
The “Saint” Javelin was the divine saviour of Ukraine bestowed to them by the God of War and cope cages were the pathetically primitive attempt by the untermensch to survive the smiting they asked for. So they’ve gone from that high concept to
>lol watch this injured soldier get fucking rekt by an FPV drone while praying and probably thinking of his family, when he is getting what he deserves for the death of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians >>2525884They probably tried this and another 1500 people died.
>>2525884Because those conditions last for a few hours or a couple of days, you can't really complete an operation in the time window bad weather provides
>>2525900I mean as far as we know they do try to do more offensive operation when weather is bad, you just cant rely on it
>>2526023Yeah, not looking too good for them.
>>2525884Not very. I have a mavic 3 and it's not waterproof. Flying it in windy conditions causes the battery to deplete a lot faster too.
How come we don't get "anti-campist" floods during downtime in Ukro morale such as when the Tomacucks are denied? Surely such events have no bearing on "anti-campist" thought? Hmm….
interimperialist campist bullshit bourgeois war
workers of ukraine and russia must unite to overthrow putin and zelensky
down with fascism down with capitalism
>>2526023lol they were so cocky a few days ago
>>2526023Is this a joke? What am I supposed to see here
>>2526080Power issues, also Putler pulling a fast one on The Dotard. But the Orange One and Zitler meeting in Hungary next month has them all wilted and sad trombone.
To them the optics of Putin in the EU meeting Trump right on the border of Ukraine is worse than all the money and lives that have been lost. So much for western unity. Meanwhile eurolibs have fascist boss babes breathing down their necks scheduled to take their place soon.
Also
>>2525646 lol
As if the tangerine Suharto wasn't gonna pick a few billion dollars in kickbacks over supplying a dozen cruise missiles. Besides it's not like he cares anymore about the Nobel Peace Price anyway. Don't they get how narcs work? He'll claim he didn't want it anyway. It's for losers. Like Arafat. Etc. etc.
>>2526093Ukrainian spearhead has penetrated (quite violently) the Russian lines. It's ovyir.
Hungary seems riskier than Alaska.
Too much bad airspace.
And I unironically trust American security more than Hungarian security.
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-responds-to-idea-of-tunnel-connecting-russia-and-us-13452151>Russia's investment envoy has said research into the feasibility of a tunnel joining the US and Russia started "six months ago".<Just bribe the POTUS lolKGB oligarch sisters… I kneel
Oh and Muskrat will also be in on it too
https://globalnation.inquirer.net/295508/tunnel-vision-trump-ponders-undersea-alaska-russia-route>“With modern @boringcompany technology this can become a Putin-Trump tunnel,” a 70-mile (112-kilometer) link connecting Russia to the Americas for under $8 billion, Dmitriev posted.Imagine being a (euro)liberal and hinging the survival of "western civilization" and your "rules based international order", "human rights" and "liberal democracy" on its most degenerate, pedophillic, fascistic and ravenously plutocratic elements.
>>2526093the battle of Pokrovsk, the westernmost industrial city in Donbass.
>>2526203holy shit, after like 4 years, Russians are still fighting for Donbass? I am following that shit, seriously?
>>2526248Yeah. Ukraine is running on fumes and nato won't let it surrender.
>>2526248Yes. That's how you know it's a special military operation rather than a war. Because the people running it are very """"special"""" indeed.
>>2526257Putin wont recover from this burn, its over ziggers
>>2526260Honestly it would have been better for Russia as a whole if Putin had been beaten to death by his childhood bullies.
>NATO pre-2022: If Russia even considers moving an inch westward it will be fucking OVER for them!
<NATO post-2022: lmao I bet this war is lasting longer than YOU thought..
>>2526267Actually NATO thought Russia would roll over Ukraine in a few days. Then they saw the incompetence and realized they could Afghanistan Russia for decades.
>>2526267But muh 3 days to keeb.
nafo can't cope with the reality that Russia gained as much land as England has, jumping from wunderwaffen to wunderwaffen.
>>2526274>ackshuallyThey were in Ukraine since 2014 arming, training and fortifying. So, I don’t think they considered the work they were doing for nearly a decade in Ukraine was for nothing.
delulu ziggers be like
>No one said Russia could take Kiev in 3 days! That's a lie!
<Then who said that?
>Mark Milley!
>So NATO thought Russia could easily steamroll Ukraine, right?
<um ackshually…
lmao
>>2526112The Kremlins know that the Yanks are just saying anything to get that full ceasefire, right?
>>2526289>No one said<Then who saidThe retardation is evident
>>2526300your constant goalpost shifting is amusing i do hope u get paid to do this because if not then yikes
>>2526320>neonazi>on a liberal protest>with a fucking BBC hyperborean cardboardwhat bullshit is this ?
>>2526341What part does surprise you?
>>2526336Nope. I challenge western narratives, as a westerner myself, entirely for my own benefit.
>>2526347that i'm seeing all three at the same time outside /pol/.
>>2525825Not happening.
Trump backs away from Tomahawk missiles offer in meeting with Zelenskyyhttps://archive.is/C0EZh#selection-2241.0-2316.0
>Volodymyr Zelenskyy left the White House on Friday without a US agreement to send Ukraine Tomahawk missiles, after Donald Trump said the “dangerous” weapons could worsen the war.
>The US president had signalled willingness in recent weeks to send the long-range missiles to Kyiv, but changed tack on Friday, telling reporters gathered for his meeting with Ukraine’s president that he did not want to escalate the conflict or drain US stockpiles.
>“Tomahawks are very dangerous weapons,” Trump said. “It could mean escalation. Tomahawks are a big deal.”I guess whatever Putin told him spooked him bad.
>>2526386>whatever Putin told him spooked him bad.Wouldn't surprise if it was the classic carrot and the stick approach. Trump used to hang around with a lot of elite pedos. Many of the girls abused by Epstein were also recruited from Mar a Lago. Aside from having his own modeling agency and walking in on underage girls in in their changing room. As well as his other proven and rumored criminal dealings.
And then suddenly there's talk about some multi-billion dollar tunnel project connecting two middle-of-nowheres with Kirill Dmitriev immediately calling for Musk to be involved, instead of established leading international tunnel engineering firms with experience in doing huge projects like these? The same dude who apparently also visited or was at least invited to Epstein's island?
Bit too on the nose.
There's no way for Zelensky or Bankova to compete with that. Either Trump & co accept billions of dollars in kickbacks on a useless project (which also makes them 'dirtier' down the line). Or their dirty laundry gets aired.
>>2526386>I guess whatever Putin told him spooked him bad.they posted videos of the fingers of lenins corpse twitching, porky couldn't handle the aura.
>>2526471I can't even get annoyed at this kind of thing any more. In fact the more successful the better because it keeps nato locked in a losing war.
>>2526386Zelensky in the cuck again, watching Trump and Meloni passionately having sexxx
>>2526506i like donkey kong bananza to putin.
The Magician of Myrnohrad, the Powerful of Pokrovsk and the Kulak of Kupiansk all died because Trump (Ruzzian asset) refused to give Tomahawks! Free USA! Anyway at least 100 000 000 ruzzians died while surrounding our warriors, even if it don't matter because you can just zoom out the map on DeepstateUA
>>2526352>as a westerner myselfOh that's why you are the worst poster here. It all makes sense
>>2526386meh, he will flip in some days. he has a
bellumstrual cycle. every 28 days he becomes a warmonger, the 5 days of warmornes pass, and the tomfoolery starts again.
>Ukraine sources: Trump has given Zelensky two weeks to carry out a substantive attack at the frontline to prove that UAF is capable of offense. If not, the US will fully throw its weight behind settling the war.
>The International Monetary Fund is pressuring Ukraine to devalue its currency, the hryvnia, in order to secure a new loan, Bloomberg reported on Friday
Oh, boy
>>2526614It's nonsense to keep heat from hawks like lindsey graham off his back. If Russia wasn't willing to throw in the towel at Anchorage they're not going to do it in Budapest, especially when they've already captured the better part of Pokrovsk.
Even if exchanging territory is on the table, controlling Donetsk is of ancillary importance. More critical to Russia is settling the root of the conflict, which controlling Donetsk doesn't acconplish for them. With nato spending billions to try an rearm, Donetsk does nothing for them even if Kiev were willing to countenance giving it away.
Zelensky can't give up Donetsk. Nato won't let Russia win. Russia won't give either the chance to attack them later. It doesn't matter what some anonymous official says.
>>2526570>. If not, the US will fully throw its weight behind settling the war.Ominous
>>2526614<our enemies keep phoning us to offer us everything and we said no.Why does this story keep turning up in the media, i wonder?
>>2526570>>2526674In whose favour? That's not the kind of demand you make of an ally you're backing.
Le interimperialist conflict, simple as
>>2526790Absolutely. Between the US and Europe.
>>2526584The hryvnia has value?
>>2526545No the worst poster is Gay Nazi.
>>2526806For the food and small purchases. In Ukraine since 1991, every big purchase was always listed in USD
>>2526352As lenin said, something something unmask your own borgeois government
>>2526822le anti-imperialist zigger is here to mock indians progressively
>>2526827Isnt that guy ukrainian pro ukraine guy?
>>2526822Fate of the most men in future
>>2526829no he is ruzzian nationalist like RWA
>>2526831Who's RWA? Religgers with attitude?
>>2526570>Ukraine will collapse in two weeksAren't you bored of expecting the same shit every day for 4 years now?
>>2526816No invert everything about Marxism bc Russia invaded
We pro western now
>>2526836Yeah? You are a retard
>>2526836ChampSoc is a westerner, dumb
Il interimperialissimo conflictissimo
>>2526838wtf? I hate the West now.
>>2526816It's saddening because western leftists do challenge one of our own bourgeoisie's narrative, that being
>We can no longer fund <insert social welfare program>, because there's no money for itbut it basically ends there.
They will protest that they're "generally" anti-war, citing pro-Palestine protests, but then they undermine themselves by cheering the overthrowing of Assad as a win against authoritarianism, only to then shrug when Israel immediately starts bombing/shelling Syria with impunity, occupying more of their land and installs an unironic terrorist in government, because "well how would it look if I was not hostile towards Assad!? The left would lose credibility!".
If they are indeed western "leftists", then they won't like me because they see me (and MLs/tankies/ziggers generally) as a threat to the last scraps of credibility for SocDem'ism. Because without somehow managing to be even less radical than 20th Century Fabians, they'd lose access to the last public debate they have, the perfectly curated and moderated one about taxes that Libertarians and the Bourgeoisie *love* to have.
Personally, I think that's cucked.
帝国主義間の対立
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/western-military-aid-to-ukraine-falls-sharply-in-summer-report/3716830Looks like there was a collective agreement on the part of the West to ensure that all Ukrainian aid goes to NAFOids and troll bots instead of weapons. They need it for China… until China cuts their REE and quarantines Taiwan.
Either way, Western economies are unstable, the Chinese economy has 25 trillion backing it in collateralized loans.
>>2526841Stop using the n-word with a hard r. We never used it before NAFOids started spamming it. It was Z-gang/Jungle-gang, and occasionally zigga.
Don't allow the NAFOids the thrill of saying it. Most of them are Poles/Balts and even more racist then American kkkrackas.
>>2526842Yes, Claude can output text in multiple languages. What else is new?
>>2526844Just waiting for the day mods put a text filter to change the word to "Imperialism Understanders", because it's factually true (compared to anti-campists at least) while anti-campists will think it's ironic.
Everybody wins.
>>2526284Except maybe the Afghanistan was a trap? That is to say, if Ukraine had actually fallen and wsa only capable of low-cost guerrilla resistance, it would have been way more damaging to Russia. But instead, NATO had to bankroll Ukrainian armies for years (they're stopping now) and now a lot of weapons stocks are gone.
>>2526841its awkward to be pro-palestine and anti-austerity when you support democracy wars and globalization
you end up opposing everything that can be connected to supporting palestine or opposing austerity
>>2526849This wa my argument against the "Russia wants to take all of Ukraine!!!!11" people. Far too costly to police the whole country even if any resistance wasn't getting outside help.
>>2526853The Palestinians just need a state of their own so they can know the joys of neoliberal austerity.
>>2526854It's going to be funny when the very same fash that fought for the West with their Slava Ukraini nonsense end up switching sides, and then the anti-fascist propaganda gets dragged out.
Seriously, liberalism doesn't need any consistency anymore, or, whatever consistency it had will go all out the window once Neuralink comes in.
Instant Two Minutes Hate, no reason needed! Why do superstructure when you can have LITERAL mind control?
>>2526853>>2526854>>2526857I don't think there's much thought that really goes into it, ultimately the only reason there is Palestinian support on the western left is happenstance.
Unlike all other conflicts and agitation around the globe where
support a preference even for China, DPRK, Iran, etc over "democratic forces" is verboten and harshly and uniformly criticised by the media, there is a significant part of the Bourgeoisie/Government in the US that thinks It's Washington DC that's taking orders from Tel Aviv (I can't imagine why, of all US puppets, it's the Semite one that has them questioning whether they're in-fact the puppets and they've been tricked?) and is upset by that enough to throw their weight against convention into making an exception for Gaza in the public consciousness, where pro-Palestine protests ultimately live.
Any other conflict? That's vulgar anti-Americanism, you're twisting Lenin to support <insert non-western nation> when ackshually they're like the German Imperial Army, why are you denying the facts of who crossed whose border first, sorry but I'm too principled to support authoritarians when everyone knows you achieve socialism by 100%'ing and getting a 1000 gamerscore in liberalism, etc
By no means am I letting Israel off the hook here, but if there wasn't still significant anti-semitism at the heart of imperial states that not too long ago were letting Nazis off the hook as "useful" to open that window of public debate uniquely for Palestine, on what basis can we assume the western left would be pro-Palestinian in the way they aren't pro
anyone else in the jungle when the garden is "clearly" superior?
>>2526866Yeah, tbh, I do agree that the only reason Israel is allowed to get targeted is anti-Semitism; it seems there's a minimum of 6% of American wealth held by 2% of the population (you can guess who the 2% is).
It's likely aiming to mutate the anti-Israel front into open anti-Semitism if the "unperson, gas, and repossess" fascism line becomes actual owing to growing debt.
Then again, the Israelis are absolutely batshit, and anyone even remotely familiar with their behavior will feel disgust.
>>2526866>>2526872Nah. If Israel wasn't a VALUED ALLY it would get the Iraq/Libya/Syria treatment because their ethno-supremacy is just so on the nose.
Apartheid South Africa was allowed to fall because it was no longer useful to fight communism. Israel is a weapon against the Arab states. Look at how lack of democracy and liberalism isn't an issue in Saudi Arabia/Egypt/UAE/Qatar etc as long as they are closely aligned with the US.
>>2526872>Then again, the Israelis are absolutely batshit, and anyone even remotely familiar with their behavior will feel disgust.Absolutely and that's reason why the anons who understand, don't draw a line in the sand between Israel and Ukraine when they're shelling their respective undesirables into fleeing, if not extermination, and openly enjoying every moment of it as an event of cultural significance.
There are no grand fucking values in the west that means people intrinsically have a conscience about Gaza, thus there must be one about Ukraine that somehow warrants supporting people throwing up Nazi salutes and adopting their slogans in earnest, "Invasions are bad, I dunno". But it's honestly as simple as, in the only democracy that exists in the west, the Big Oil and MIC-backed Russophobia party won their debate by a landslide while the Antisemitism party keeps their debate raging on and on.
>>2526570>Ukraine sources: Trump has given Zelensky two weeks to carry out a substantive attack at the frontline to prove that UAF is capable of offense. If not, the US will fully throw its weight behind settling the war.Are these reliable sources? I'm inclined to believe it because there were murmurs some weeks back about the US demanding Zelensky present a realistic winning plan.
Not that it's easy to read the Trump admin's mood changes, but the sudden shift in rhetoric could also mean that Zelensky may indeed have been caught lying about what's going on at the front, probably the Pokrovsk "thousands of Russians encircled" thing that suddenly disappeared.
>>2526891>Nah. If Israel wasn't a VALUED ALLY it would get the Iraq/Libya/Syria treatment because their ethno-supremacy is just so on the nose.But that's my point, there's this idea that pro-Palestine protests alone proves that Western Liberalism is an undeniable good and absolves it of otherwise keeping schtum about allies like Saudi Arabia who produce man-made horrors beyond my comprehension at the same rate they siphon oil out of the ground, and puts them in a position of authority to make a judgement that, specifically for Ukraine, Nazism wouldn't be
wholly unjustified.
But the big irony of it, is the exception when it comes to Palestine is not out of some gallant liberal value that's engraved in gold, the exception is due to antisemitism still having enough venom to disrupt the business-as-usual of imperialism. Even the sole evidence provided of the Garden "getting it more right than the authoritarian dictators", boils down to
>Giving money and guns to rebels in nations we want to imperialism and have no other shared goals than destroying Communism and in fact hate us for very valid reasons? Yeah I can't see how that can backfire again like it did with the Taliban get the CIA on that right away, but I'm VERY concerned about empowering these near-exclusively western-heritage Jews too muchand that concern actually being taken seriously enough to cause the bourgeoisie to have a disagreement that opens a very rare window by which the general public are
allowed to have an opinion rather than being seated in the choir and given the lyric sheet they'll be singing along to for the next.. however many years it takes to smash this era's dictator, or when the proxy we're using falls out of favour, whichever comes first.
Even in historical cases, like the somewhat popular opposition to the Invasion of Iraq, the keyword there is
invasion because that's the use of hard power and that's like when the police tell me to not walk on the grass, it's fascism! But the use of soft power to starve, distort, dysfunction, etc the lives and society of millions is wholesome because when they "choose" western "democracy", it was their own fault, they chose not to walk on the grass themselves.
>>2526928"Invasions are bad, I dunno": the image
>>2526928Israel is a proxy to the US and the west. Ukraine is a proxy to the US and the west. US and the west bad, so Ukraine and Israel bad.
Simple as.
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-drones-ukraine-europe-kyiv-solidarity/
>‘Why don’t they care like before?’
>“Everyone asks: what’s happening in Poland, in Germany? Why don’t they care like before?” Avramenko says. She knows EU governments still pledge support, but she worries that for the broader public, Ukraine has become background noise.
>“Ukrainians are Europeans in every sense,” she says. “We don’t want to be slaves. We are free, liberal and open — and we have only one path, the European path.”
>In Germany, a majority still supports sending aid to Ukraine, but 52 percent believe Kyiv should give up occupied lands for peace. Across the continent, countries like Italy and France maintain official support, but their publics are increasingly skeptical about welcoming Ukraine as an EU member.
>Text and photos by BARTOSZ BRZEZIŃSKIheh
>>2526935Critical support for ISIS in their fight against Western Imperialism!!!
>>2526942ISIS was created by ISrael and the US. ISrael and US bad, so ISIS bad.
Simple as.
>>2526928>war bad mkay?impressive depth of the liberalist analysis, its a wonder there are still war on this earth with them being at the helm of the most powerful military empire on earth
>>2526928Both Russia and Hamas attacked not because they were aggressors, but because a false, unjust peace undid itself. The blame for this lays squarely on the West because it turned this peace into a cover for war via Abraham Accords and NATO expansion. Both are products of imperialism overcoming its divisions given the rise of socialism and expanding into power vacuums given the collapse of socialism.
If you believe the wars in the middle east or former USSR are the result of a state deciding to cross a border, you get incoherent positions like yours. Those wars have international causes. We've seen these positions play out to failure. One antiwar position in Ukraine blatantly reinforces the alliance perpetually at war for decades, the other fell apart as soon as Democrats said Israel has a right to defend itself but it has to do it nicely.
>>2527020Haven't they suffered enough?
Uh-oh, Russian military channels report that Russia has begun the liberation of Kherson city
>>2526835>>2526910that's per ukrainian interpretation, per what trump said:
https://suspilne.media/1096300-protagom-2-tizniv-diznaemos-ci-bude-mir-v-ukraini-abo-diatimemo-inakse-tramp
>"I'll let you know in two weeks. After two weeks, we'll know if there's peace in Ukraine. If not, we'll do something different. But we'll know very soon," Trump said.Unlike nafo trolls, with their ''muh refineries in Russia put RuZZia's gas stations to suffer", I am posting exactly what ukrainians think and interpret things, and you might simply ask.
so spare me the credibility, or the 'muh two weeks' speeches.
>>2526928the empire doesn't need you to be liked by you, and your ilk. as long you unequivocally hate its enemies, the empire will thrive.
>>2526956lol, yeeah. if they in Crimea since 2023, why do they need more
GIVAS?
>>2526928The trvthnvke that killed /ukr/…
>>2526932Seems like a correct position in 99,9% of cases.
Le interimperialist conflict guys. It is so easy. But no, you dont easy. You want hard. So stupid.
>>2527084Preventing invasion with a preemptive counter-invasion - good or bad?
>>2526684I'd say it's more like some ukies still malding at trump, without realizing they are proxies, and as such, the backing only ends when ukraine is sold completely, and the money depleted.
>muh aggressor and defending party
Doesnt matter. Le interimperialist conflict simple as.
>>2527088Moralism patriotism pacifism revisionism opportunism
>>2527103No, you are not playing into their hands, you are literally a lib
socdem that turns fash the moment someone dares to threaten you
>>2527107>muh fascismOpportunist
>>2527114They went from trying to profit off Russian war reparations to requiring Russian war reparations just not to collapse when the war ends
>>2527020well, both countries have comedians/celebs/deluded people as their heads of state, so probably they have a great chance of running a
libertarian project, just so they can be bail out by the US.
inter
imper
le conflicte
Die interimperialische konflikt
>>2527210Literally not what your picture is showing…
>Ukrainian media: UAF moving all border personnel with Belarus to the front lines.
>>2527084Okay but that attitude means you’re surrendering to the fact you can’t identify the 0.01% of cases where that’s the wrong position, you can’t therefore argue this invasion of Ukraine is one of the 99.9%.
>>2527258Could you name me any other examples of those 0.01%? Just so I know what do you consider a good justified invasion.
>>2527296As I said:
>>2526559. but for the sakes of the circus: TOP LAWL.
>>2527272
Other examples.
>>2527296I'm sure this idiot will accomplish nothing but antagonize both sides, weaken himself against senate Republicans, and continue the war
>>2527328>>2527269Why would I need to provide
other examples? It's yourself that has given you a margin of error of 0.01%, while using "99.9%" as a fallacious assertion that invasions are *never* justified, including Ukraine, so why are you asking me to justify that error of margin for you when that wasn't my claim?
Either stop wasting our time and make the claim you wanted to make that "invasion bad" is the correct position 100% of the time, so we can dismiss you outright as the dumbass you know you are to have to avoided saying 100%, or substantiate the 0.01% yourself and undermine your own fallacy that "99.9%" means Ukraine is "probably" unjustified without further qualification.
>>2527269>By “defensive” war Socialists always meant a “just” war in this sense (W. Liebknecht once expressed himself precisely in this way). Only in this sense have Socialists regarded, and now regard, wars “for the defence of the fatherland,” or “defensive” wars, as legitimate, progressive and just. For example, if tomorrow, Morocco were to declare war on France, India on England, Persia or China on Russia, and so forth, those would be “just,” “defensive” wars, irrespective of who attacked first; and every Socialist would sympathise with the victory of the oppressed, dependent, unequal states against the oppressing, slaveowning, predatory “great” powers >>2527020No wonder the Ukrop state is so shit at manufacturing stuff, even the Flamingo reused Soviet Engines kek
>>2527269invasion of finland by ussr
invasion of poland by ussr
invasion of roc by prc
invasion of angola by cuba
invasion of south vietnam by north vietnam
invasion of cambodia by vietnam
invasion of south korea by dprk
invasion of israel by arab coalition
invasion of georgia by russia
invasion of kuwait by saddam (more debatable)
any potential invasion of any nato country, or any country looking to enter nato by any non nato country
any potential invasion of taiwan by china
>>2526910Basically, this and the IMF line about UAH depreciation shows that NATO is prepared to throw Ukraine under the bus to focus on China. I.e, despite Trump's new rhetoric, Trump is 100% prepared to make Ukraine lose quickly.
Why does the West just give Ukraine nukes and ICBMs if they really want Ukraine to win this war? Russia won't respond to a nuke attack with their own nukes because they know they're in the wrong here.
Will Euro-Anarchists do an epic last stand in Hulaipole in December, or will they flee crying about Ruzzia doing a second autoritarian and stalinian holomodor while a FAB-30000 nuke Makhno' statue?
>>2527296So are we ever gonna know what was behind Trump's short-lived "Ukraine can win" phase?
Expression of frustration?
Trying to get Putin to speed up the victory?
Zelensky/Kellogg lying about something?
Calling the Euroid bluff?
>>2527572Ukraine can't win, it either runs out of money or men. I assume he was just giving cover to giving Ukraine endless rhetorical support while stiffing them.
>>2527296Bone deep despair over at Xitter and reddit.
>>2527540It's because they no longer have the means to recapture any lost territories besides temporarily flipping the occasional village or gas station.
In 2022 they had a manpower advantage which allowed for the Kharkiv offensive, and the west bank of the Dnepr was indefensible, and so had to be abandoned.
That entire year was the last time they could've gotten a deal that would have seen a return to something close to the pre-February status quo. But they blew their historical moment because they'd gotten high on the promise of doing what the rest of Europe had been attempting for centuries: Eliminating Russia forever and shattering it into tiny little pieces to be devoured piecemeal by western multinationals. But it didn't play out that way.
>>2527572i guess it was a last ditch bluff to see if russia might bend and agree to ceasefire to prevent further escalation
>>2527572Dementia making him forget the kompromat, promise of the Nobel Peace Price (which he didn't get), maybe arms deal kickbacks before Putin called and mentioned dumping billions of dollars into his pockets building tunnels to nowhere.
Any of the three, maybe all of them.
>>2527084the vulgar position that is correct in 99 cases out of a hundred is "america bad"
>>2527572>So are we ever gonna know what was behind Trump's short-lived "Ukraine can win" phase? Lindsey Graham threatened to impeach him and had the votes to do it.
Fortress Pokrovsk status?
Nearly all of Donbass ‘already taken by Russia’ – Trump>The US president has called for a ceasefire along the current front lines<Asked about Donbass, Trump said, “Let it be cut the way it is. I think 78% of the land is already taken by Russia. You leave it the way it is right now. They can negotiate something later on.”https://swentr.site/news/626694-trump-russia-donbass-control/“Negotiate something later on” presumably after they’ve managed to adapt Tomahawks to something Ukraine can actually use lmao
>>2528044>>2528072>muh ceasefire>muh frozen linethey just keep trying the same thing over and over again
>>2528083If you ignore the performative flip-flopping, the hope seems to be that they think Russia hasn’t given themselves an “off-ramp” and eventually they’ll need Ukraine/NATO to provide them with one. But the contradiction in that thinking is on the one hand the longer this conflict goes on the more desperate Russia will be for that off-ramp, but on the other Russia still advances so the longer this conflict goes on the more Ukraine will have to concede in giving that off-ramp and freezing the conflict.
Another issue is that Ukraine are attacking oil infrastructure openly now as asymmetrical warfare to compensate for the front moving in Russia’s favour, the problem with asymmetrical warfare is it doesn’t need to be conducted openly and can turn clandestine whenever Kiev wants it to. So a freeze at the front line just means oil infrastructure stops being droned by based SBU and instead starts suffering from industrial accidents caused by corrupt NGMI Rosneft.
A massive fire has broken out again at a major gas processing plant in Russia, after it was hit on Sunday in a Ukrainian airstrike.
https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/187876/russia-orenburg-gas-processing-plant-ukraine-warIn the latest devastating attack, Ukrainian drones struck the Orenburg gas processing plant. The facility is the largest of its kind in the world and is located at least 1000 kilometres from Ukraine's state border.
Kyrylo Shevchenko - a former head of Ukraine's National Bank - estimated the damage would cost the Russian economy billions of US dollars.
"Russia's war machine feels the burn!" he wrote on his X social media page.
"Potential losses: $5-10B+ in disrupted production/revenue (at ~$300/MCM gas prices), crippling exports & funding Putin's invasion."
>>2528090Either there isn't a plan or the objective is to look like they're doing shit when Ukraine's on a path to losing.
>>2528257> "Russia's war machine feels the burn!"Very professional quip lmao, is everyone in the Zelensky state a comedian? Also it’s only really funny when you ignore that in this exchange of attacking energy infrastructure, Russia has already put Ukraine on ice this winter. Kiev really needs to cool off from this excitement. Lvov was glowing over the news of drone strikes, until it wasn’t. Etc, etc.
>Potential lossesSo again they’re getting excited over the numbers
if the target is completely destroyed, but the 50kg drones can’t destroy such large targets, hence the need for flamingos and tomahawks for these strikes to cause the economic damage they’re prematurely celebrating.
>>2527572Trump has no beliefs of his own. He believes whatever is whispered into his ear by people who pretend to be his friends. This will explain the cucktinism of cucktin. He realized Trump likes his ego stroked so he approaches him like he wants to suck his dick. He simply stroked his ego and said No We are winning and the end.
>>2528279I think the plan is still as it always was, to over-extend Russia, but as time goes on Russia supposedly needing to be handed an off-ramp becomes less attractive for Kiev as that now involves conceding territory and hoping other states still care about kicking Russia out of Donbass/Novorossiya over decades for the benefit of Ukraine who has already served a better purpose than if they were NATO members, when they didn't really for Crimea, South Ossetia, Abkhazia or Transinistria other than some fist shaking during state visits.
For the US, its starting to become clear that they themselves don't have an off-ramp either because they've failed to make Russia "scream" for mercy on the battlefield by making progress slow. So they're helping Ukraine in attempting to make the Russian economy "scream" with these energy strikes, but based on the absolutely wild plans being drawn up for how to "legally" steal Russian money locked up in the EU and use it to fund Ukraine's operation costs next year, that suggests the economic warfare approach is also not going to bankrupt Russia before funding for Ukraine runs out.
Even if the energy infrastructure attacks work in bringing Russia to negotiations cap in hand and willing to freeze the conflict on the current line, that satisfies the US who for their money walks away with damaged Russian oil/gas infrastructure, a damaged Black Sea fleet, quite a lot of the Soviet-era stockpiles expended and a narrative of a bungled SMO to use against Putin, the Ukrainians aren't going to be satisfied with territorial concessions and thus will, no doubt, do everything they can to prevent a ceasefire which *might* eventually exhaust their welcome in the White House if Trump sees further investment (not using stolen Russian money) in Ukraine as diminishing returns.
After all, the Moskva has already been sank, more money can't sink it again.
Zelensky rejects Trump-backed territory concession plan>The Ukrainian leader has insisted Kiev’s troops will not leave Russia’s Donbass peacefully<Speaking to journalists on Monday, Zelensky reiterated his position, saying Ukrainian troops “will not withdraw from Donbass – period.” https://swentr.site/russia/626709-zelensky-rejects-land-swap/ >>2528327>The Ukrainian leader has insisted Kiev’s troops will not leave Russia’s Donbass peacefullyI think Russia finds these terms acceptable lol
>>2528327Start with the material analysis. Is Ukraine losing? Is the IMF trying to trigger hyperinflation? Is Ukraine getting eyeballed in debt?
The initial objective might have been to bleed and neutralize Russia, but the damage, however great or however slight, has been done already. Now the objective is to turn off the Ukrainian distraction without looking too bad, so it's maximum rhetorical support and minimum material support.
>>2528387In other words, NAFOids shitting up our thread with both-sidist idiocy while the RuGF advances through Pokrovsk IS the war. The NAFOids are the necessary rhetorical support and narrative control, while RuGF successes show that the West now wants Ukraine to lose so it can focus on China
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/the-soviet-unions-last-chanceanyone got the full article? not linked to the current war, but Im hoping at least one of you guys got access
Sorry I've been in a coma since Feb. 2022 and just woke up; has anyone won this retarded interimperialist war yet or are we still in the
>waiter waiter more dead proles please!
phase?
>>2528521No, so you can go back to not caring :^)
cucktin fatugue
>>2528521Go back to libcom
Leftpol has been trying to convince me Russia is two weeks from victory for 3 years now.
>>2528447thank you comrade
>>2528622oh yes, I'm sure a thread filled with accusation of putin being a cuck and needing to nuke ukraine to make any progress is actually trying to convince you everything will be solved in two weeks
>kek Russia STILL hasn't won!?Zelensky aide advises Ukrainians to meditate amid blackouts>People should manage stress and blame Russia for power outages, the official has said<Timofey Milovanov, a member of the advisory board of the Ukrainian state nuclear company Energoatom and an adviser to the presidential office, shared his stress managing recommendations in a Facebook post on Sunday. He said regular blackouts are likely to continue through the winter as the country faces mounting strain on its energy grid.>“How should one prepare? First of all, mentally and psychologically,” Milovanov wrote. “Breathing exercises are the simplest method. Inhale for four seconds, hold for four, exhale for four, and pause for four. A few such cycles send the brain a signal that everything is under control.”https://swentr.site/russia/626720-ukraine-blackouts-breathing-exercises/I'd say a more accurate read is that Ukraine hasn't accepted defeat.
>>2528044>occur during a ceasefireso no format at all.
>>2528521ga back into the coma.
>>2528669I missed the best line
>He advised Ukrainians to keep their emotions in check despite long blackouts, cold meals, gridlock, and the constant fear of airstrikes. “People must remember that the cause is Russia and no one else,” he stressed. >>2528622You were told this war was a wash when sanctions and counter offensyiv failed. Because it is
Now we're left grasping at straws, hoping that pace of territory means Russia overextends for real this time
>>2528675I'd provide the rt.com link, but I don't live in a country with freedom of press, so it got banned on the behalf of a country we're not strictly allied with in any real legal sense, over a conflict we claim we're not involved in.
>>2528679In the meantime Cucktin will still be providing NATO will gas until the uncucking is forced just like with nordstream
>>2528680You fucking wish.
Why has Sumy stalled?
Nuke Kiev NOW
>>2528679Plot twist: they continue buying Russian gas, but with Russian money, but as a loan, that the US will pay back to Russia, but only if Russia surrenders, and agrees to give the EU a refund on all gas sales since 2022 and an apology for exploiting their need for gas.
>>2528690Based and Lukashenkopilled
>>2528622No, NAFOids have been trying to Gordon Chang you that Russia would collapse any minute. Most serious observers expected the war would extend past 2028.
>>2528690God I love fascists. They make such hilarious sounds when they're alive and such satisfying noises when you crush them.
>>2528287Reminder that according to you Russia is fighting whole NATO
>>2528669>>2528672
>meditate amid blackouts>to keep their emotions in check despite long blackouts, cold meals, gridlock, and the constant fear of airstrikes. “People must remember that the cause is Russia and no one else,”this is peak delusion. with his popularity under 30% he's asking to be killed by his own people.
>>2528690bet all the replies from UA flags are malding there.
>>2528700called it:
>>2528756, without even looking at the replies.
>>2528757Some of the highest rated comments were supportive lol
>gloves: on
>military operation: special
>refineries: burning
>NATO countries: unbombed
>gas: flowing to the west
>assets: seized by EU
>charlie kirk: praised
>Israel: trade with
Yep it's still cucktin time
When did y'all realise Putin is banking on a future theocratic US, which would be more aligned with Putin based on ideological lines?
>>2528780send original plz
>>2528788Never gonna happen
>>2528798do you mean the onlyfans porn actress? I am almost sure it's Anna Malygon. can't tell. most of those chiks look similar (dress, posses, hairdo, etc.) as if they are managed by the same pimp.
>>2528798Nevermind, i know that bitch.
>>2528799Get this, this slut sells PPVs of 5 SECOND SEMI NUDES.
Money laundering operation: textbook boogaloo.
>>2528695Kinda have to urge to post the nafoid car lol
>>2528805I can't believe my tax dollars are going to this
>>2528788>is banking on a future theocratic US>muh Russhhiagate.Meanwhile in reality:
>trump in tel aviv bragging that the adelson family giving him so many visits to the white house like "no one else", which he admitted<when I asked if they love more buerguerland than zionistrael miriam couldn't tell meand the adelson family financed trump in three presidential races up to 700 million dollars,
alone, scoring two presidencies.
do you want to talk about collusion? talk about the ones proven.
>>2528805she's a scammer, like the majority doing porn in OF.
Honestly, if you Cucktins glowies were told what Putin could sincerely do, and get away with, you'd be pissing your pants. But, trust the plan.
>>2528521Someone is bitter that the Ukrop defences are crumbling. Pokrovsk in two weeks!
>>2528839Things that will never happen for 100000.
>>2528839>Cucktins glowies???
You projecting again, Langley? Jesus, when was the last time we got a genuine "Putin, stop holding back" Cucktin-poster?
>>2529004the use of maoist standard english isn't restricted to this cambodian friendship bracelet making forum
>>2529004Rob Rogers lobbing the TRVTHNVKES that Tsarists can't handle.
breakthrough imminent?
Pro-Ukrainian Xitter is kicking off because “Sasha meets Russia” is undoing anti-Russian propaganda simply by recording herself eating in a cafe and buying food at a market in Kazan, a rather clean and pleasant looking town far from Moscow.
But tbh they should be angry at themselves for placing this much credence on “it’s a starving shithole!” propaganda lines that are incredibly easy to dispute, it barely even works for the DPRK where images of economic development, friendly looking skylines and pretty vistas in the countryside all need to be dismissed as “for the elites only” if not outright faked, but Russia is a country most people can actually visit and record more or less freely and I’ll wager a substantial proportion of the Ukrainian population already have visited.
>>2527020What's Cucktin's plan when he has all of Ukraine anyway? Sell all the remaining state assets and ressources to eastern private corporations?
>>2529387Turn it into a big Russian history-themed amusement park.
>>2529387500-foot statues of Stalin in all west Ukrainian city centers
>>2529386Sure they have food. But they don't have toilets!!!!!
>>2529413Well also the video demonstrates the continuance of Tatar culture, cuisine and traditions that neither override nor is overridden by Russian nationalism. I imagine this is quite embarrassing for radlibs who have adopted ideas for Ukraine that they’re usually against like
>Ukraine for the Ukrainians!>Rights for Banderites!>Integrate or be criminalised!because they were absolutely certain Russia manages to be worse in this regard.
>>2528435>>2528447>>2528625got bamboozled, this is just the archived free version
Putin claimed last week that there was some new weapon that would appear in Ukraine “shortly”, I wonder if it’s the now rocket boosted glide bombs?
>>2529406That would be giga based but Cucktin hates commies
Firefighters contain blaze at Hungary’s main oil refinery>Firefighters in Hungary have contained a blaze that broke out overnight at the country’s main oil refinery, authorities and Hungarian energy company MOL said Tuesday. No injuries have been reported.https://apnews.com/article/hungary-oil-danube-refinery-fire-szazhalombatta-2571de4d3de341a7b7875e8cdda1b4f3Around the same time a Lukoil facility in Romania also suffered an explosion/fire. Apparently 2028 isn't soon enough for some.
But like I said, these attacks can go from being caused by based unstoppable SBU to unfortunate spate of industrial accidents in Russia and other cringe states that buy their oil, when Kiev wants them to.
>>2529530Ukrops reminding people what happens to those who betray slava Ukraini?
Female Russian soldiers blown up by FPV drones
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1obudj5/supposedly_two_female_russian_assault_troopers/Russia is now sending women to the frontlines. If you're gonna run a meatgrinder war to fuel your imperialist delusions, at the very least, leave the women out of it.
>>2529669>4 years into a war and neither side can counter drones raping their infantrythis is just more proof that both sides want as many proles to die as possible. just like in WW1 when generals sent infantry waves to die against artillery. neither country wants to win. they just want to kill as many of their own people as possible. blood sacrifice for the bourgeoisie.
>>2529669I swear this conflict could have been over two years ago with some real soviets at the top
>>2529682It's just further proof that you're an annoying faggot.
>>2529669>Under the looming threat from Russia, new legislation was enacted on 21 December 2021 requiring women to register for military service, if they are deemed medically fit for military service, are between the ages of 18 and 60>The song "Stefania" by Kalush Orchestra, the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest 2022, featured women in Ukrainian military uniforms in its music video>In October 2022, the first all-female prisoner of war exchange occurred between Russia and Ukraine, with 108 Ukrainian women being returned, including 37 who had fought in the Battle of Azovstal.>In September 2022, Aljazeera stated: "There are about 50,000 women serving in the Ukrainian armed forces in combat and non-combat roles, of which about 10,000 are currently either on the front lines of the war or in jobs that could send them to the front lines, according to Ukrainian military officials. There were about 32,000 women in the military prior to the invasion." >>2529684i know this is sarcastic but Maxin Petrova is a russian trans woman that fought on the front lines for a while, vidrel is a 2 hour long interview with her from a popular russian politics youtube channel
her telegram channel
https://t.me/maxliln she posted about /tttt/speak and sam hyde>>2529530And now the Budapest summit has been cancelled, although apparently by the US who claims that Moscow and Washington DC have "differing expectations" in ending the war, with Russia's expectations decried as "maximalist".
>>2529714hell yeah, dudes rock.
I finally came up with the most correct take about this conflict but I wont share it with you retards, get dabbed on lmfao.
>>2529669>Russia is now sending women to the frontlines.She was tricked by propaganda and money to suicide on the frontline. The blood is on Putins hands. Every single death in this war in fact.
>>2529766Go share it with /chug/ im sure they will enjoy your take.
>>2529781No, they dont deserve to have it either.
>>2529738>And now the Budapest summit has been cancelledCucktin would get arrested if he'd set foot on EU soil on grounds of the "international arrest warrant" issued by Den Haag. Hungary is a member of the ICC.
The Poles would probably down his plane. To make peace apparently nothing less than Putin getting the Saddam/Gaddafi treatment and Russia itself getting dismembered is acceptable at this point for NATO/UK/EU. So far London/Brussels/Visegrad have sabotaged every remote attempt at ending the UA-RU conflict and that's not going to change anytime soon because for these sick fucks subjugating RU and building up a monstrous European MIC and war machine using ridiculous amounts of tax money are literally the only things they really care about and on top of that they actually believe that it's possible to attrition Putin into submission long term one way or another. I wonder how long it might take until Cucktin realizes that Trump can't do shit even if Trump and the US admin actually wanted to end the slaughter. It might in fact take a broad international effort involving the USA and China together as well as a couple high profile other countries from the so called Global South backing Russia against UK/EU/UA to stop the war in UA. London, Brussels, Paris, Berlin and the butthurt belters in particular could really use some kind of reality check on international stage right now, otherwise they might ruin the entire continent in terms of economics, set it again on fire in it's entirety or obliterate it for good this time like the idiots they are, i'm afraid. I'm sure third worldists actually rejoice at the latter prospect however i'm actually from here, live here and would prefer not to watch a bunch of nukes going down near me due to a bunch of unhinged imperialist NAFOids and bourgeois Eurocrats being retarded.
>>2529738>And now the Budapest summit has been cancelledGood. Around half a dozen key battle sites are about to collapse in Russia's favor. Don't need Putin being a buzzkill with his Trump love match again or putting the effective energy strikes on hold for diplomatic reasons. The meeting is a waste of time and should occur only when it's time to discuss Ukraine's capitulation. Anything else can be discussed by phone.
>>2529899Any minute now 🤠
>>2529919
You can tell whatever story you like while cucktin gas is powering nato"s industry
>>2529899>>2529832>US unilaterally cancels a summit because they're getting stonewalled by Russia with their demands<"Good, cucktin is such a cuck he would sign his own bollocks away to please Trump"I feel like the meme is starting to lose its edge
>>2529923>storyWhat story? It's kind of a non-sequitur to reason that negotiations falling through because Russia aren't budging with their demands, is good because if negotiations went ahead Putin would sell the farm.
Also Ukraine's biggest pet peeve throughout this conflict is how their complaints that much of the world and most of their allies are funding their oppression via purchases of Russian energy, including themselves ultimately. If Russia selling oil and gas to Ukraine's allies and neutral parties that Ukraine would love to turn is so cucked, they wouldn't be attacking Russian oil and gas facilities and then getting fucked off enough about how little that is achieving to start attacking other non-parties for using or hosting Russian oil.
>>2529924You're reading things that aren't there. I mentioned two buzzkills: one, the way Putin insists on flattering Trump, and two, the danger that Putin will give Trump another unilateral energy ceasefire as he did back in March.
>>2529923China can punish economic aggressors without oligarchs getting in the way. Putin kinda has to bite the bullet, so EU/NATO gets gas and dead Russians, while Russia gets… dead hohols.
>>2528922I'm calling the Cucktin posters glowies.
Point is that if Putin's a cuck, Biden was an even bigger cuck. NATO has over 3,000 tanks in Europe, why not send them to Ukraine so Ukraine can win? How about real aircraft instead of F-16 handmedowns?
So, instead, we fight this dumb war online, with bots spouting nonsense and Russians advancing one village at a time, with Pokrovsk almost taken and Sloviansk-Kramatorsk in the cross hairs.
>>2529969Cope. The Cucktin posters want maximalist aims like everything east of the Dnieper and a Russian-friendly government.
Meanwhile, their primary detractors are a mind-broken joke who don't even understand the basics of the conflict, like how Donetsk relates to Donbass.
>>2529669>WomenAll I see is two wounded dudes getting killed. You know, war crimes.
onlyfanslavia status?
>>2529669uhh no? based Russia proving it is still the most feminist country on earth
Here's proof that the Cucktin posters are glowies.
If Putin was a real man, why hasn't he nuked Warsaw yet? Why not Paris? Why not Berlin? The Hague is out for his head, why not take out Amsterdam? What a fucking cuck.
See, the Cucktin posters aren't ever going that far, and nuking Paris-Amsterdam-Berlin makes about as much sense as nuking Lyiv, so every time Putin gets called a cuck, escalate them. Push for Munich, Oslo, Stockholm, Rome.
Nuke NATO or Putin's a cuck!
>>2529989>about as much sense as nuking LyivIt's Lvov. Thanks for confirming that "only the CIA wants Putin to go harder on Ukraine" is a nafoid op.
>>2529990Idgaf, if it's held by Ukraine or in Ukrainian hands, it has a Ukrainian name. I'm not descending to the game of calling people Ziggers. Bakhmut fell, now it's Artemovsk. Same deal with the rest of Ukraine.
Nuke Berlin!
>>2529989t. Glownoniymiyy
>>2529997The people like Spurdo who want to fap to Putin nuking Ukraine also call for Putin to nuke NATO homelands, so the argument doesn't even work.
>>2529997>Ukrainian nameYes, and the Ukrainian name is LVOV
>>2530001Honestly calling for Putin to nuke Paris feels good. Let's just do it for shiggles when not effort posting.
>>2530009Here are the very few "nuke Ukraine" posters also calling for nukes elsewhere:
>>2512433>>2517268>>2524855 >>2530009nuking the UK would be 100x more based
>>2530027Nuke London, then. Let it be our Carthago Delenda Est.
The problem with "Putin is a cuck because he won't nuke Ukraine" is that it unwittingly feeds the narrative that nukes are all Putin has left and therefore he's doing everything perfectly short of nukes. But let's look at the attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure: they've started in earnest with unrelenting intensity only in recent weeks. That's three years since the first tentative attacks on the grid in October 2022 (which were due to Surovikin, soon replaced), almost four years since the war* started, and almost one year since the early 2025 tentative attacks (which were cut short because Putin insisted on gifting Ukraine and his Western partners with a unilateral 30-day ceasefire that became a 6-month ceasefire – Peskov was even out there saying that Putin intends to stick to the ceasefire despite Ukraine violating it).
* It's an SMO, not a war, you object? Yeah, exactly.
>>2530039I agree, I think he's trying to break Ukraine now that both Ukrainian and Western media are reporting drops in Western weapons shipments.
With all of that said, I must respectfully add, NUKE COPENHAGEN!
>>2529979>Meanwhile, their primary detractors are a mind-broken joke who don't even understand the basics of the conflict, like how Donetsk relates to Donbass.Aww so sweet of you to think of me! But is that really the ticket to living rent free in your head?
Ceterum autem censeo, post Lutetiam et Berolinam, ipsam Vasingtoniam armis nuclearibus delendam esse. Pax Russo-Sinica non nisi per hanc ultimam optionem defendetur.
>>2529738>>>>now the Budapest summit has been cancelledTranslation:
<The CIA needs to update its files from the MI5 before allowing le Trump to speak his mouth >>2530039nafoids wont like this post
I'm NAFO. AMA.
POSSIBLE SPECTACLES INCOMING
<(disclaimer: nothing ever happens)
SEVERAL HOURS AGO, UKRAINE FIRED ABOUT A DOZEN STORM SHADOWS INTO PRE-2014 TERRITORY. THIS WITH THE ATACMS IS WHAT TRIGGERED THE ORESHNIK STRIKE IN NOV 2024. THEN SUCH ATTACKS CAME TO A HALT.
MULTIPLE FLIGHT-MONITOR REPORTS OF SWARMS OF MOD PLANES HEADING TO THE URALS.
KEEP IT EXCITING. KEEP IT JUICY.
>>2530419I picked the worst time to start my AMA
>>2530419surely breakthrough imminent
>>2530424Probably not, mate. I get my dopamine pumped once every two weeks over this stuff, with all the monitor Xitter tweets and Telegram posts searing my retinas, and then it ends with a wimper.
>>2530425Dunno. I don't pay any attention to the ground war (is that thing still going?). I'm all about the air attacks.
>>2530456look at that ukrainian breakthrough. no doubt that salient will bloom as the russians surrender
>>2530414Do you like the Freezer?
>>2530486Just like Kursk. Slava Ukraini!
>>25304563.5 years to reach the river. How many more years to pass it and capture the rest that is collapsing any minute now
>>2530456Where is this map from? Its really useful to see Ukrainian trenches and dugouts.
>>2530775Kremlin just paints places all over the maps yellow randomly to feel like they had some serious fortified positions to take.
Le interbourgeoisie comflict
ukraine has attacked two more nato countries than russia has
Non-exhaustive list of cities/capitals that need to be nuked IMMEDIATELY without hesitation:
>Kiev
>Warsaw
>Berlin
>London
>Washington DC
>Tallinn
>Vilnius
>Riga
>>2530941With NATO permission thoughbeit
Ukraine bombs a chemical factory. Nazis bomb a kindergarten in Kharkiv in response.
Leftypol supports the latter.
>>2530856>ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLYIs in the OP. Don't repeat Kremlin propaganda uncritically comrade
>>2530980Ukraine was using the kindergarten as a staging ground for FPV drones. Fuck them kids.
A tale of two wars, one where Russia won’t take the gloves off and one where they did.
>>2530997>and one where they did.When did this happen? I still don't see it.
>>2530997Pidors bomb small kids because they're evil Nazis
Ukraine destroys the Russian military which is taking 2.000 days to take a small village of pokrvosk
Kill yourself zigger
>>2530794all Donbas was fortified by Ukraine.
you nafo media brags about it.
>The fortress belt stretches from Sloviansk through Kramatorsk to Druzhkivka and Kostyantynivka, a 50-kilometer chain of fortified towns and cities. It relies as much on geography as on engineering: Karachun Hill towers over the plain, rivers carve natural moats, and slag heaps, quarries, and railway embankments reinforce defensive positions.cope.
>>2530997Outside of bizarre Russian nationalist Telegram accounts and this general thread I haven't seen much debate on this. Pretty much everyone else acknowledges that Russia doesn't have the means to effectively conduct the offensive operations they want to, and Ukraine also doesn't have the means to effectively conduct their own desired defensive operations. It's two poor ass post-Soviet states going at it, with the remnants of Cold War armories propping up both sides for the transition to drone warfare.
>bombing four year olds is taking gloves off
The absolute state of ziggers
>>2531020It is for the nook lvov crowd
>>2531018I mean to be fair, they’re also thrilled to be able to use the n-word freely without getting either word filtered or banned by the mods.
>>2531019>doesn't have the means to effectively conductRussia is not even at war economy. they didn't mobilize the main army, mainly those whom fought the initial year and half were directly Donbas people, with Russian artillery and aerial support. Only mid 2023, the first Russian marines entered in direct combat.
For Russia is not a war, it's a SMO.
>>2531019weird coincidence how europe ran out of money and weapons while a poor post-soviet state was fighting russia with soviet remnants.
>>2531024This, the stalemate narrative assumes slightly higher prices for grey market Coca Cola is as critical as needing to kidnap people off the street to send to the front that same week.
Zelensky orders troops to Türkiye and UK>The personnel will crew Ukrainian naval vessels kept abroad under foreign protection<Ukraine’s once-formidable naval force, inherited from the Soviet Union, has suffered years of neglect and losses in its conflict with Russia. The current fleet largely consists of smaller ships donated by foreign backers, many of which are docked outside Ukrainian territory.https://swentr.site/russia/626822-zelensky-troops-turkiye-uk/I had no idea that Ukraine even had a naval force at this stage, I suppose "foreign ships in foreign harbours" still isn't a naval force really, but quite funny to re-contextualise Ukraine attacking the Russian Black Sea fleet with "their" own ships supposedly having fled to safer harbours.
One of the issues cucktinists have that I agree with, is Ukraine getting to boast on a regular basis of ingenious gambits to independently slay the Russian Goliath that are applauded by NATO states as incredible feats of military exploitation that Russia are ill-equipped to retaliate against.. but every time it's either revealed to be a NATO op who will
panik if they're retaliated against or the retaliation against Ukraine is considered insufficient because nothing in Ukraine is considered half as valuable as the lowest value target in Russia.
>>2531022I am convinced the nafo guy is someone from the baltics. many clues.
>doesn't know what -oi in the English language means>accuses others of being westerner (doesn't know he's a westerner)>uses racial and homophobic slurs freely, like zigger, and pidor.>said even if hitler himself came back to life to be president of ukraine, it wouldn't be as nazi as Russia, in an insane nazi apologia and Russophobia.it perfectly fits the profile seeing other baltics people I've met online, outside leftypol.
>>2531049*oid
he thought nafoid=nazi slur because of "oid".
>>2531042Will we get Bucaneering hohols of the black sea - curse of Odessa story arc when the fighting finally stops in Ukraine itself?
Ziggers can't win a war so they bomb little kids
Ukraine: military endangering civilians by locating forces in residential areas - new research>Schools and hospitals used as military bases by Ukrainian forces<The Ukrainian military has endangered Ukrainian civilians by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in residential areas - including in schools and hospitals>Ukraine’s tactics have violated international humanitarian law as they’ve turned civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure. https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ukraine-military-endangering-civilians-locating-forces-residential-areas-newFrom 2022, but seems the Geneva suggestion is still being rejected by Ukraine in 2025.
>Statement by President Zelenskyy, Prime Minister Starmer, Chancellor Merz, President Macron, Prime Minister Meloni, Prime Minister Tusk, President von der Leyen, President Costa, Prime Minister Støre, President Stubb, Prime Minister Frederiksen, Prime Minister Sánchez and Prime Minister Kristersson on Peace for Ukraine.
<Therefore we are clear that Ukraine must be in the strongest possible position - before, during, and after any ceasefire. We must ramp up the pressure on Russia’s economy … until Putin is ready to make peace.
Has there ever been another case historically where one belligerent is legally winning so soundly on the battlefield, that they for shits and giggles decide their victory will now be achieved by civilian hunger riots instead of military defeat?
>Politico: Europe demands a seat at the Putin-Trump negotiating table in Budapest.
>European leaders are also trying to secure Zelensky's participation in a possible meeting between Russian and US leaders, as concerns grow in Europe that Ukraine's fate could be decided without her.
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>Since the start of the Ukrainian conflict, the EU has sent Kiev nearly €178 billion, according to European Commissioner Valdis Dombrovskis.
>>2531208Apparently the EU is moving to now flat out just give Ukraine the money Russia had locked up in Belgium prior to the conflict, so I assume that's how Ukraine will be "paying".
>Ukraine will only last until April 2026.
>The newspaper El País reported, citing sources in the European Union, that its coffers will last for that long.
<This reality, coupled with the fact that EU member states are operating under increasingly tight budgets, has prompted the European Commission to consider releasing the majority (€140 billion ?? wasn't 400 billion?) of Russian assets frozen in the EU due to sanctions, the article states.
>>2531230screencapped so i can laugh at you in april 2026 when ukraine is still fighting
zigger = brain dead
>The greater Ukraine's long-range capabilities, the greater Russia's readiness to end the war, Zelensky stated.
<"These weeks have confirmed this once again. The discussion about Tomahawks proved to be a powerful investment in diplomacy – we forced Russia to demonstrate that Tomahawks are precisely the card they're paying attention to."
>>2531220How many will die?
>>2531234it's western nato stuff, nafoid. these calls are always for
GIVAS. that's all.
>>2531222Every dead Ukrainian during the Holodomor has freed up jobs for Russians to take over
/s >>2531237we will never know for sure.
—
>Ukrainian MP Kostenko stated that Zelensky's promised production of 3,000 cruise missiles was not fulfilled.
<"It's easier to make statements than to implement them. We don't have 3,000 cruise missiles, and, in fact, we won't have them. We need to count how many missiles we have and ask the president why this task wasn't completed and who is responsible. But this goal was unrealistic from the start."lmao.
>"If I put two regions of the Russian Federation into the Constitution of Ukraine, will they leave it?" – Zelensky stated that if Ukraine "swallows" a bad territorial decision, further decisions will be made without him.
Surely nato will also lift sanctions on those regions, too, lmao.
>The EU is short of approximately 300,000 shells to fulfill its commitment to Ukraine to provide 2 million this year, Kaja Kallas stated.
>>2531263Why is Ukraine trying to appeal to fairness when their whole shtick was denying Russia's legitimacy in international relationships? Like, they deny that Russia has legitimate political and economical interests, but then cry about Ukraine being denied same interests because Russia is strong arming them into neutrality
>EU Foreign Policy Chief Kaja Kallas stated that she found the Russian leader's visit to the European country "unpleasant," citing the arrest warrant issued by the International Criminal Court.
>Kallas also noted that everything would depend on whether the trip "produces any results."
ah, she won't cry tears over the fact that netanyahu has visited many ICC signatory countries, included EU countries, and Greece. Also, Hungary has initiated a withdrawal from the ICC, so no worries about that.
>>2531208>agreement of intent they dont even have the money to pay for what their military is already using this year, so effectively unless EU agree to cough up a lot more this aint gonna go anywhere
>In Lutsk, a man practically crawled to reach the front voluntarily.
>But the valiant TCC workers generously agreed to give the man a lift to the trench in a van.welcome to the party van, candies and parties await for everyone!
>>2531270mainly because they expect people to assume that their logic is flawless. problem with his reasoning is that no one in the west will consider those territories as Ukraine's.
>>2531234>cant even understand the subtext that they will have to steal frozen russian funds and destroy the confidence in their money>think we care about the timeline as long as nato suffer defeat and economic declineaaah, nafoids and their complete inability to understand anything
the only sad thing about ukraine holding longer is all the proles sent to the meat grinder for the interest of their imperialist master, but I guess you celebrate that, you love calling the waiter right?
>Swedish Defense Minister Pål Jonson stated that the conflict in Ukraine can only be ended by increasing military support for Kyiv and tightening sanctions against Russia.
>According to him, Europe must enter "war mode" to preserve peace.
Le
>>253125310 millions for a tribunal not even recognized by the entire eu, which will only produce cheap propaganda and be completely useless at anything else
the EU is really a machine made to steal proles money to give to loyal elites handsomely rewarded for a minimal amount of pro empire work
>>2531297>>2531301It's kind of like the AI bubble being measured for investors in terms of giga-watt expenditure estimations, if money is being spent on something then it must be valuable! Spending 10 million Euro on re-iterating that they think Putin is a very naughty man, well that's a 10 million euro stimulus injected straight into Ukraine's arse cheek as far as the entirely hype-driven neoliberal elites are considered, the line is *still* going up! This conflict has been bullish for years now! Exciting! Arousing..
Which unironically may be considerably more valuable than 10 million being spent on buying the shells the EU doesn't actually have.
>>2531315yeeeh. they are making things clear that whatever
law is, is not defined by anything other than military weapons and money.
>>2531294IntImp aka Inmp aka Imp aka 'mp aka 'm
>Ukrainian popstar Oleh Skrypka, Tajik, member of the group Vopli Vidoplyasova, Skrypka was recorded stating that people who don't speak Ukrainian have "low autism scores" and should be sent to "ghettoes" - stated that 'we need a military coup. Only veterans should be in government'.
Uh-huh.
>>2531092I'm close friends with a guy from Mariupol and he said his family still there later told him it was hard to leave during the battle and UA wouldn't let you out unless you were connected. According to him as the battle continued, UA parked artillery in parks and near buildings while Russia bombed indiscriminately. Accounts are mostly madness though, it's hard to make sense of what exactly happened
He also told me in the years leading up to the war the Russian language was banned, ethnic Ukrainians turned on them, and so on. He found it bizarre since they're so similar and he speaks fluent Ukrainian
He laughs at the idea Ukraine is a liberal democracy. He's not even pro Russian or SMO
>>2526841>They will protest that they're "generally" anti-war, citing pro-Palestine protests, but then they undermine themselves by cheering the overthrowing of Assad as a win against authoritarianism, only to then shrug when Israel immediately starts bombing/shelling Syria with impunity, occupying more of their land and installs an unironic terrorist in government, because "well how would it look if I was not hostile towards Assad!? The left would lose credibility!".>>2526853>its awkward to be pro-palestine and anti-austerity when you support democracy wars and globalizationYou guys are talking about the Western left (who are clowns who really don't have much power) while missing that most *Syrians* like Sharaa and are behind him. Everything I've read about this suggests this is the case anyways. Now, an important qualifier here is that most of them are
Sunni Arab Muslims, and it's also a very different story for those Syrians who are not and are subjected to violence by Sunni supremacist militias, but my understanding is that the Sunni Arabs feel like they're in the driver's seat there now. I'm not saying this is my personal preference either, but Assad's rule was kind of like the country being run by the mafia, it wasn't particularly well loved. There was some polling about what Palestinians think about different world leaders, and Assad ranked down near the level of Joe Biden, which was extremely low and very bad. That's your problem. You don't have to convince the Western left, you have to convince millions of Arabs. The Taliban celebrated Sharaa's victory over Assad. It's not like the Western left overthrew him either, but it was a bunch of Sunni Muslims with guns.
>>2531338I remember in 2022 and 2023 in Ukraine, people protesting to the UAF infantry soldiers not to station their AFVs, BMPs and MBTs near their buildings. soldiers fired live rounds to the air to disperse the small groups demanding that.
>>2531342>at kindergartens for no reasonCivilian attacks could be considered a symmetrical response to every attack that occurs on Russian territory.
>>2530441>GeopolOther than "geopol theory" itself being garbage. I wonder what these grifters will do after the war ends.
Will they pivot to an "anti-China" arc? Will they join some eurolib "international relations" thinktank in Vilnius? Or will they go down the Qanon arc where they pretend Russia has fallen, patriots are in control, Zelensky is still running Ukraine from exile, and Putin has been replaced by a doppelganger who only pretends to oppose NATO, but is secretly working with The West to topple the CeeCeePee?
>Ukrainian military bloggers call their army a 'bizarre mutant in which some cosplay the U.S. Army during the “Desert Storm,” while others resemble Iraqis.'
<As of 2025, the Ukrainian military is a bizarre mutant in which the most talented and the most inept people coexist side by side. The brigades, battalions, staffs, tables, and positions are identical — but some cosplay the U.S. Army during the “Desert Storm,” while others resemble Iraqis.
>>2531347>you have to convince millions of ArabsI mean sure, its easy to immediately bank on the perception of "these are our guys that won!" for the majority of the sunni population now in the aftermath, but would that have really worked without the sanctions, mercenaries and weapons poured? (given how long it took, i def gonna say no)
is the islamic militias rule really gonna be better in term of corruption and statecraft? I actually bet all this is gonna be worse for everyone (and especially minorities), because comprador islamic puppet put there from foreign imperialist interests is always gonna be worse at running things for the local population than a local dictator who at least vaguely care about nationalism. Although the removal of sanctions will ofc blur the line a bit.
>>2531354As a response to what? There's nothing symmetric about hitting a kindergarten as a response to hitting refineries.
Instead it's TPPs, railway infrastructure, hydroelectric dams, gas storages, transformers, workshops, factories, warehouses that are getting hit en masse, which is a "symmetric" response.
>>2530980There were Azov tunnel under the school.
>>2531360Russia is already targeting Ukrainian industry way before these refinery/factory attacks. It could be a strategy to make enemy feel pain for every attack they do to deter them from attacking low value targets.
>>2531220>"Almost the entire gas infrastructure has been destroyed. Heating in Ukraine this winter is in serious doubt," asserts Ukrainian MP Goncharenko.Great news. A certain flagtard that rhymes with Wankanon can stop moralizing against those who called for such things now that Putin has done it.
>>2531347I recall a poll in 2015 showing the population relatively evenly split in loyalties. By the early 2020s when Syria was a husk choking on sanctions and permanently partly occupied by neighbors, it wouldn't surprise me since Ba'athism had clearly come to fail. But let's not pretend Arabs were ever driving this. They only reacted to one of the worst humanitarian crises in the century. There was no popular organizing, there was division and desperation
As for the culpability of the Western left that you are contrasting to Arabs, the issue with the former is their about face in the post Iraq Obama years right back to the same democracy war crap after the most powerful antiwar movement since Vietnam. Look at Democracy Now. They failed to make sense of the Arab spring as more than dictators being overthrown in order to join the democratizing world, Rojava supporters aside but this was a nonsense position divorced from the region. I never saw a nuanced or independent position past the Democrat one, there was only sophisticated positions when it came to anti anti imperialism out of the idea it was cold war. There the left was trying to be to the left of something, just something not Western.
As a result, there was no pressure for a negotiated solution or to lift sanctions even as things grew desperate in Syria. This is what was crucial. There was no critical view independent of the propaganda war waged by Britain and the US, who opposed peace while claiming to act for the people against an ethnic minority led dictatorship. That was left to small outlets like The Grayzone, who were stigmatized. There was only the idea that Assad created the conditions where war served the people. Syria thus burned, the refugee crisis bloomed, the far right grew further, and there was further liberal regression. The Syria years were years of regression on the left and it's happening again with Ukraine. All of this suggests the left operates in response to the extension and contraction of liberal soft power in the modern world.
As a result of that I think Western left lacks historical views, although this is common to all Westerners. But it doesn't understand the historical role of Arab nationalism and what its declined signaled about the future. It saw revolution in what was regression and merely acted to browbeat leftists who didn't align with liberals. This became a running theme for the next decade
The point being, the left supported many of the trends that led up to the genocide in Palestine, where there is a sudden realization. I would not obscure this on the basis Syrians or Palestinians wanted Assad gone, you and I both know those people didn't drive regression in the middle east in the last few decades.
>>2531338I won't repost it, but there's a video doing the rounds on pro-Russian X that allegedly shows civilians moving towards Russian positions with white flags being gunned down.
I've made the point in recent threads, but I don't have any faith that long-term protesting for Palestine in the West is anything more than happenstance created by contemporary imperial interests contradicting with a reactionary religious conflict of old, because of this kind of thing being able to be ignored, if not justified, in Ukraine.
When does pro-Z expect Russia to have full control of the Donbass?
What about full control of Kherson and Zapo?
Each of those is a milestone that would present some narrative difficulties to the Zelenskys and Kelloggs, one would think, yet it's hard to find estimates.
>>2531345Hmm I wonder whether this is copium to explain away such a target being in range of a Lancet, because I have to stick to my own claims ITT that 50kgs aren't a lot when you're not targeting something that's flammable.
>>2531383Donetsk, around the end of this 2025 year/early 2026.
Zapo, near mid 2026, even considering that what remains it's the capital city. Kherson is more complicated, what remains is a big city, the capital city, and behind the Dnieper, so hard to say.
>>2531413Which century for Odesa?
>>2531413Thanks. Is that the MoD estimate?
>>2531420Better question is how long will you care either way? If Russia captures Odessa, would you be taking that interest to the grave?
>>2531420The Great Patriotic War with cheek-turning features and brotherly sentiment would've taken 400 years instead of 4, just so you know.
>>2531421my own observation, the MoD doesn't publish estimates, given that all is situational, and there's a political burden if what they say at any given time fails to be completed.
>>2531420>imblying Odesa is a target.I'd like to. nothing would be funnier that put banderites landlocked like a giant prison camp for nazis.
>>2531429Is this going to happen in my lifetime?
>>imblying Odesa is a target.Oh right, so now it isnt. Okay makes sense 👍
>>2531478>Oh right, so now it isnt.was it ever?
don't you see the
IF here, after the question:
>>2531429 champanon is certainly driving you nuts.
>>2531483>Fucking animal scumRight-on! I love the progression western wars routinely achieve!
>>2531478Like I said, either way. Will your terminal thought be about Odessa?
For your reference, I got to see NATO go from eager nuclear anti-communist bulwark hanging a piece of the Berlin Wall outside their HQ on a spike, to a shrinking, excusing, crying, stealing, snivelling shell of that in these last three years and I can't see that being reversed in any amount of time, let alone the time it takes for Russia to capture Odessa, even if that is their plan.
🇺🇸🇺🇦🇷🇺⚡️The US lifted a key restriction on Ukraine's use of long-range missiles supplied by allies, allowing Kiev to strike deep into Russia — The Wall Street Journal
How will our goodwill gesturing person respond?
>>2531492amuses me the nafo cretin loves to talk about the kindergarten, to then ignore that's what banderites want. they did so since 2014.
>>2531502Will probably have Iron Dimon shitpost on twitter for a day or two. But doesnt matter really, here we will have another three years of ukraine collapsing any minute now, pokrovsk falling a street per month and how denying urop 13 bn in coal
lol! is such a massive win against imperialism and blah blah blah yawn
>>2531509>If you prove I’m a hypocrite, that means you’re immediately in the wrongThat in of itself is a fallacy, because it doesn’t prove you right despite the claim of hypocrisy but the “proper” form for whataboutism is when you’re distracting from the original claim.
So, actual whataboutism
>You threw a cream pie at my grandmother!>Well what about that time you didn’t pay that parking ticket?Note how the two charges are unrelated
Not whataboutism
>Your last attack affected our children!<Your leader announced forcing children to live underground was how he intended to winNote how the two are related.
>>2531509whataboutism is cia shit (mi6, more specifically). also, who starting threatening kindergarten kids?
Poroshenko:
>"our children will go to schools and kindergartens, and their children will sit in basements"back off.
>>2531511>I don't know how many civilians have died in Gaza since October 7 2023, vs how many children have died in Ukraine since Feb 22 2022, with a population of 2.1million vs a population around ~35 million>the post. >>2531520Yawn 🥱
Just stop defending targeting kindergartens bro
Every Ukrainian kindergarten should have a nuke dropped on it. Cucktin would never since he's a weakling.
>>2531525Stop turning Kindergartens into human shields
>>2531092The endangerment of all civilians in Eastern Ukraine to further NATO expansionism is what I’ve been attacking since 2014 and I assure you I’ve not yawned about that yet.
>>2531525>stop defending targeting kindergartens browho has it?
and beyond the propaganda efforts of the ukrainian authorities displaying children with no blood, no dust, no nothing, remembering the same gohst of kiev propaganda state, the same babushka tomato-pickle jar anti FPV anti-aerial defence system propaganda state, the same pensioner with shotgun downs a fighter jet medal of service propaganda state, the same state that puts military stuff around cities, where multiple videos of failed defense system have been recorded exploding in residential buildings and landing on the streets,
even if you want to give some face of value to the claim of a fucking kindergarten, that wasn't the target.
>>2531520>it's the worst moment of my week, the moment ChampSoc makes a good postYelling "whataboutism" is usually a misapplication of the tu quoque fallacy. It's a misapplication because although hypocrisy doesn't prove someone's current moral claim or accusation wrong, hypocrisy does expose inconsistent principles, and it's fair game to examine whether the earlier principle is applicable to the current moral claim or accusation.
>>2531551 (me)
>You're an asshole for doing X<What about when you did X the other day?>I was an asshole too. I shouldn't have done that. Two wrongs don't make a right.This would be acceptable argumentation in that green speaker is dismissing the earlier principle.
>You're an asshole for doing X<What about when you did X the other day?>WHATABOUTISMThis is unacceptable argumentation because what Orange Speaker is actually trying to do in a highly elided way is discuss the earlier principle that governed Green Speaker's behavior, but Green Speaker often becomes uncomfortable about dismissing the earlier principle.
>>2531113just like his role model Israel, Zele's victory plan hinges on starving civilians.
And giving orders to Urop now. the fucking hubris. the fucking entitlement.
I just want Don's term to expire or Don to drop dead so we don't have to see this farce anymore of Russia stroking his cock as the peace-maker and trying to woo him with business deals. I'd be livid if I had family killed in the war.
I much prefer the Biden years, tbh. Then there were no illusions and delusions. I don't think Vance's power of personality is anywhere close to strong enough to pull off the same razzle-dazzle, either.
>BREAKING! The Trump administration will announce a "substantial pickup" in Russian sanctions either today or tomorrow morning.
>>2531586all of trump's doing is merely a reaction from the liberals that attacked him during his first term, and tried to jail him during biden's term. he just want to brunch with obama, biden and hillary in peace, without having the Brits financing their political rivals, or the EU saying that he's a threat to democracy(TM).
that's the core descriptive situation in which we are in.
>>2531605True. It bears repeating that Trump's narcissism is such that he seeks the approval of those who despise him, not such that he seeks to please those who already like him. I think it's a mistake (and downright humiliating) for Russian officials and envoys to compliment him, for Putin himself to say Trump should've received the Nobel, etc.
>>2531501Where do they find their optimism? From money? Coping? Mental illness?
>@DD_Geopolitics
>BREAKING! The Trump administration will announce a "substantial pickup" in Russian sanctions either today or tomorrow morning.
Hopefully the bald dude will get the message and spare us another half year of servile diplomatic gestures.
>>2531624From the fact that Ukraine has lasted 4 years into a conflict that should have taken a week maximum and have succesfully ground the Ruzzian offensive to a near halt, only losing 0.8% of territory after the past year of fighting. Ukraine is going to win if this continues. Russia has zero ways to make rapid advances without resorting to indiscriminate bombardment. They're performing worse than the Soviets did in Afghanistan. Eventually Ruzzia will break it's only a matter of time.
>>2531529> Every British kindergarten should have a nuke dropped on it. Cucktin would never since he's a weakling.Fixed that for you!
>>2531551>Yelling "whataboutism" is usually a misapplication of the tu quoque fallacy. It's a misapplication because although hypocrisy doesn't prove someone's current moral claim or accusation wrong, hypocrisy does expose inconsistent principles, and it's fair game to examine whether the earlier principle is applicable to the current moral claim or accusation.Yes because the hypocrisy is evidence the principle is not the issue. It's who breaks it.
>>2531640The war is fought on the basis of attrition not territory. Ukraine entered the war with the largest army in NATO outside of the US. As soon as Istanbul failed and Russia mobilized a can of worms was opened. International escalation played out, informing a balance of forces in Ukraine which will fight to destruction.
>>2531711Christcucktin apologetics.
>The war is fought on the basis of attrition not territory. Ukraine entered the war with the largest army in NATO outside of the US.This didn't materialize out of thin air. Someone watched it happen.
>As soon as Istanbul failed Maybe because some idiot who later admitted to have been fooled by Istanbul (Minsk I, Minsk II, Istanbul, …) decided to retreat from political centers of gravity as a "gesture of goodwill" before ensuring the enemy was enacting its side of the deal.
>International escalation played outBecause some Christcuck refused to maintain deterrence. Tell anyone about the hypothetical scenario of China or Russia bombing the US homeland and the US doing nothing to the Chinese and Russian homelands. They'll laugh in your face as you try to applaud the US for "not giving dem what dey want" and "wisely avoiding WW3."
>>2531640I don't know if you signal coping or mental illness by that.
>US President Donald Trump says he has canceled his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, says "it just didn't feel right, but we'll do it in the future."
the bellumstrual cycle spinning another round.
>>2531776The meeting will be rescheduled for two more weeks.
>>2531640>only losing 0.8% of territory19%*
the size of England, by the way.
fix'd for (You).
>>2531776He says whatever he needs to say to keep the Kremlins in a state of perpetual hopium. There's no difference between a Qtard hick in Arkansas and the Kremlins at this point.
Also see Putin's chosen envoy:
>>2531533 >>2531791>Putin's chosen envoythat's one of many. yes?
>>2531795That's the most prominent envoy. Always first in line to receive Witkoff and wine and dine him around Moscow.
What's the point of all those nukes that the USSR left Russia if they're just gonna be left to rot in a storehouse when they're needed most
Is NAFO actually a Russian front? Nothing I've seen has made me more supportive of Russia than NAFO antics.
>>2531799Three C's of deterrence: capability, credibility, communication. Russia's deterrence is on life support because Putin thinks there's only one C of deterrence: capability.
This is why you need a dialectical materialist as a leader and not some unironic cheek-turning Christcuck with his self-flagellation morality.
>>2531640How would this war have lasted a week when Ukraine had the largest army in Europe and Russia attacked with less men?
At best, had Russia maintained the competence of the Soviet Union, it would have been about six months to take up to the Dnieper.
Putin is a cuck because he hasn't nuked London, Paris, and Berlin yet. Where's your balls, Cucktin / Putler?
>>2531754>idiot who later admitted to have been fooled by Istanbul I've always got the same take on this, that it's not about being fooled but rather justifying not putting diplomacy ahead of force which is a point that is only getting more important for Russia to make, but I never get a retort to it.
>>2531819Putin is an honest man. If he says he was fooled, he was fooled.
>>2531818Baby steps. Let's start with not flattering Trump 24/7. We can then work on a plan where he's downing unmanned NATO drones that are prepping strikes on Crimea.
>>2531796>That's the most prominent envoyprominent to whom? I found more prominent Lavrov in the Alaska summit.
>>2531834His full title is Special Envoy of the President of Russia. Such envoys are created ad hoc for a temporary purpose. Lavrov is a permanent government official.
>>2531825I suppose I'll just have to keep waiting until someone develops a real point.
As it stands, it just sounds like apologia like
>Well obviously you can't have diplomacy with the West, Putin is a fool to demonstrate that before committing the undiplomatic act of invading and using it as justification >>2531852Okay, you're welcome to believe that Putin is lying. I take him at his word.
>>2531800This is some sad amounts of cuckery
>>2531852>Well obviously you can't have diplomacy with the West, Putin is a fool to demonstrate that before committing the undiplomatic act of invading and using it as justificationAnd your ignorance of basic facts is rearing its head again. The Istanbul "deal" occurred months after the invasion.
Moreover, your strawmanning is rearing its head again. There's a difference between engaging in diplomacy and being an idiot fooled by habitual liars.
>>2531877Putin could always stop sending uranium to the US, but the Christcuck wouldn't dream of such a thing. You need Chinese officials unencumbered by the idiocies of religion to come up with such a tit-for-tat approach instead of cheek-turning.
>>2531857>I take him at his word.AFAIK that's an interpretation of what he said, not a direct quote.
>>2531869>The Istanbul "deal" occurred months after the invasion. The post mentioned, correctly, Minsk I & II which are famously the agreements NATO now claims were not signed in earnest but instead to buy time and Putin primarily points to as an example of where agreements with the west lead. It's good you put quotes over deal, because how can you be fooled by a deal that never came to be?
>There's a difference between engaging in diplomacy and being an idiot fooled by habitual liars.Unfortunately, knowing that someone is lying isn't enough, you have to prove it. Well at least you do when you're not the global hegemon.
>Moreover, your strawmanning is rearing its head again.I'm reasonably sure that no one on the internet who can
name logical fallacies, actually knows what they are, because they'd realise that naming logical fallacies is neither an argument nor proof they've even been correctly identified.
>>2531847there are a couple of tens of those positions, all with specific fields and occupations. you find what Viktor A. Zubkov,
the special representative for interaction with the Gas Exporting Countries Forum says, in terms of their relative interactions with others, and you'll notice it's always a welcoming invitation to his counter-parts.
Same with the other 20 people with the title
special representative. kiril simply wants to fulfill the role he is tasked with:
special representative for investment-economic cooperation with foreign countries, being the US one of the top largest investment countries, besides China (which is always depicted by him possitively)
>Get shown how you're a hypocrite, usually out of ignorance
<Heh, that's whataboutism, I win
>Make a claim but the conversation doesn't segue where I wanted it to
<Wah that's a strawman, I win
And yes, this post is a fallacy but who is keeping score? Both are how the vast majority of debates go on this worldwide forum of ours.
>>2531886>Unfortunately, knowing that someone is lying isn't enough, you have to prove it. Well at least you do when you're not the global hegemon. Retarded apologetics. After already being fooled by Minsk I and Minsk II, Putin didn't need to be a sucker during Istanbul to "prove" anything to anyone. Smart people have heard "trust but verify."
>>2531897Except I backed up your take on whataboutisms while also criticizing your strawmanning. Funny how that works…
>>2531890None of that contradicts the fact that Kirill is Putin's most prominent envoy wrt Trump and the Ukraine conflict, which I thought was contextually obvious.
>>2531898>Retarded apologetics.It's not when the west is going to pressure Russian partners like India to side with them on the basis that it's Russia who is rocking the boat.
>>2531901>I've named the fallacies again and I feel even more victorious. Funny how that works…Indeed.
>>2531909again, you want to make him prominent. he's the cheerleader for reestablishing economic ties. that's all of what he is.
>>2531910It is strawmanning to transform "don't be a gullible idiot during negotiations" into "don't engage in diplomacy." I also know it's not deliberate strawmanning. I just take it as a personal idiosyncrasy.
>>2531914Name a more prominent envoy involved in the negotiations.
>>2531916>It is strawmanning to transform "don't be a gullible idiot during negotiations" into "don't engage in diplomacy."That's not what I said though.
>>2529738>And now the Budapest summit has been cancelled, although apparently by the US who claims that Moscow and Washington DC have "differing expectations" in ending the war, with Russia's expectations decried as "maximalist".Yeah, that much has been obvious from the beginning. Russia wants to end the war and cut off the source of future conflict. Nato has been begging for years for a frozen conflict to better attack Russia later. The two sides are totally incompatible.
>>2531920Actually, you're right. I didn't realize your take was even more bizarre. Your take is that after Putin engaged in diplomacy before the war (Minsk I, Minsk II) and showed that the West couldn't be trusted, he needed to show it a third time during Istanbul with unilateral enactment of his side of the deal (instead of engaging in mutual enactment)… because India or something.
PUTIN:
>On March 29, 2022, we withdrew our troops from Kiev because we were assured that it was necessary to create the necessary conditions for completing the political negotiation process, for completing this process. And that it is not possible for one side to sign such agreements, as our Western colleagues said, with a gun to the head. Fine, we agreed to this too.
>However, immediately, the very next day after the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kiev, the Ukrainian leadership suspended its participation in the negotiation process, staged the well-known provocation in Bucha, and refused the prepared version of the agreements. I think it is clear today why this dirty provocation was needed – to somehow explain the refusal of those results achieved during the negotiations. The path to peace was again rejected.
Poor Putin. Conned for a third time by his Western partners.
>>2531929Right and Russia is in a better position, with their partners, to make the case against a ceasefire since Minsk I & II were discarded by NATO as merely buying time for militarisation and negotiations in Istanbul were predicated on demilitarisation but again to open a gambit favourable to Ukraine for hostilities, something that would have ultimately required Russia to regroup in Eastern Ukraine anyway since that has been the epicentre of this conflict since 2014.
It's all very clever of NATO, when they were absolutely certain they'd neither need to ever ask for negotiations with Russia themselves nor need to make the argument to third parties that global economic instability is Russia's fault.
>>2531941>your take was even more bizarre>… because India or something.Just embarrassing yourself now
>>2531971Comment:
>Retarded apologetics. After already being fooled by Minsk I and Minsk II, Putin didn't need to be a sucker during Istanbul to "prove" anything to anyone. Smart people have heard "trust but verify."You:
>It's not when the west is going to pressure Russian partners like India to side with them on the basis that it's Russia who is rocking the boat.Don't worry, I see why you don't want to defend this inane and borderline racist proposition.
>>2531918Everyone? It's like saying that witkoff was more prominent than trump in the Alaska summit.
>>2531967>We tried diplomacy, as is the expectation of civilised nations, but NATO/Ukraine proved again to be uncivilised<Trump currently crashing out because he can't bring Russia to the negotiation table nor convince anyone Russia is the one who needs to make concessionsAgain, how exactly is this "Putin being fooled"?
This is like taking the fable of the boy who cried wolf and thinking the boy successfully made a fool of everyone and that was humiliating for them even after he'd been eaten.
>>2531976>Don't worry, I see why you don't want to defend this inane and borderline racist proposition.Not finished embarrassing yourself I see.
/ukr/ wouldn't be the same without a couple of prolific flagtards obsessing over people who believe Putin is too soft… while not understanding how Donetsk relates to Donbass… and projecting their personal weaknesses onto the Global South. :)
>>2531991Have you learned basic Ukraine geography yet or still embarrassing yourse;f?
>Volkswagen to halt production at key German plants from next week amid missing chips from Chinawho's gonna use washing and dishwasher chips now?
>>2531862this should blush every single German….
>>2531994>>2531999I'm actually quite satisfied that after 3 years of me posting, this one-time mixup of names is your proud victory.
>>2532007Nah, it just told me that your knowledge of the conflict is next to null and that your only purpose for being here is what it looked like all along: mental illness, not being able to move on from the Cucktinist boogeyman that haunts your every thought.
Ditto that the mix-up occurred during your gloating that Russia was only capturing "yoga studios", that now are seemingly important enough for Ukraine to be demanding ceasefires.
Can the NAFOid cucktinists please start following me in pushing for nuclear attacks on non-American NATO members? Honestly, if Russia did nuke non-American NATO members at American behest, the "allies" would go: "please sir, may I have another?" because they're so hardwired to obey American orders.
They already economically nuked themselves, why not physically nuke themselves as well?
>>2532011>it told me what I already wanted to believe..okay?
>>2532007>this one-time mixup of names is your proud victory.Some poster was headcanoning about Russia capturing a yoga studio in Donetsk. You said Donetsk was under full Russian control already and asked whether the poster meant Donbass. It was pointed out you probably meant Luhansk, and you ran with that.
I suppose it easy not to be a Cucktin poster when you believe Russia has already mopped up on the territory front.
Someone should check in with IntBrig, tho. All his favorite tubers like the Duran bros (incl. Mercouris) and Judge Nap have started running segments on Putin's softness. Alex #1 was about to rip his webcam off at one point.
>>2531976>Putin didn't need to be a sucker during Istanbul to "prove" anything to anyonesucker? at what? at sizing Donbas? at best Putin offered a deal where Zaporozhie and Kherson could be Ukraine's, if Crimea was guaranteed to not be locked from land access, keeping Donbas, two big territories. how's that a sucker?
at best it was Ukrainians whom were willing to cede, only to be hardlined by boris johnson, with the false idea they could recover up to Crimea.
>>2532057Let's leave poor Ukraine alone. If you're trying to destabilize Russia by ruining Putin's credibility, when he's done a good job on the strategic front, despite Russia taking heavy damage, why bother with calls to brutal, short-sighted maximalism vs Ukraine when you can bother with calls to brutal maximalism vs the EU proper?
Nuke Paris! Nuke London! Nuke Rome! Nuke Berlin! Nuke Warsaw!
>>2532044Not quite correct, the mix-up was in confusing "Donbass" as the oblast the city of Donetsk was in, rather than Donetsk Oblast. Donetsk the city was fully under Russian control, hence the absolute humiliation I inflicted on myself that I am very very ashamed about, I promise.
>>2532011>it just told me that your knowledge of the conflict is next to null Because of a mixed up place name?
The beginning of the systematic collapse begun on the 21st of November 2024. Here's an incomplete list of events following from that date.
21st of Nov, 2024: Gazprom Bank sanctioned. Without too much details, this was strategically timed within a small gap of Russian weakness and patching of that weakness.
RUB collapses
RCB forced to suspend currency exchange as RUB reach 113 to USD on 28th of Nov.
China and India begun refusing RUB, only accepting trade through CNY and INR.
From trade surplus, Russia began accumulating non-liquid CNY and IRN.
Russia began buying domestically liquid RUB from CNY and IRN.
Monetary pressure on CNY and IRN cause trade with Russia to contract with increased pressure on discounts.
February: Increased oil production from Saudi Arabia and the US slowly lowered international oil prices. Undercutting Russia's 2025 budgeted oil prices.
Across spring: Failed peace negotiations, continued high spending, secret bank bailouts, increased figures on market bankruptcy at record high cooperate debt, and political cracks begun eroding market trust as trade revenue cuts deep into 2025 state budget.
26th of April, RCB announced the 21% interest rate would remain for an extended period (hinting for at least another 6 months)
16th of May, Russia's peace delegation claimed Russia could continue this war for as long as it takes in Turkey. A direct contradiction to RCB previous statement.
June 1st: Remaining OPEC+ begun increasing oil production, further pushing international oil prices down.
After hours on 5th of June, RCB announce economy was doing better than expected and lowers interest rates to 20%. This is a contradiction from previous statements, a clear indicator that RCB no longer acted on behalf of the economy but on political agenda.
6th of June, market collapsed in a phenomena called market/central bank decoupling, indicating loss of market trust and monetary control. This phenomena is a historical indicator of incoming deep recessions, runaway capital flight, severe loss of monetary control and can easily lead to economic collapse.
This forced RCB and Kremlin to begin showing partial real data in attempt to earn back market trust and regain monetary control. This while state spending to prop up the economy increased sharply while revenue from international trade and oil prices was in decline. This severely increased RCB spending of the NWF.
25th of June, RCB lowered interest rates to 18% causing another market/central bank decoupling. This revealed that Russia's campaign to restore market trust through huge expenditure had failed resulting in loss of NWF liquidity and increased political distrust.
These are all indicators that Russia's market is collapsing under monetary pressure, while inflation remains uncontrolled, increased state expenditure while state revenue contracts showing real signs of increased risks to trade partners.
August: Ukraine began its sanctions against Russia's oil infrastructure, targeting the fragile fuel market keeping Russia's economy going. This was absolutely strategically timed when the market, monetary and political trust hit record lows. China and India begun accelerating diversifying trade, understanding Russian trade had become a liability.
>>2532066>If you're trying to destabilize Russia by ruining Putin's credibility,You keep trying to make an argument that already failed ("MUH NUKE-MONGERING CUCKTINISTS NEVER CALL FOR NUKES ON NATO COUNTRIES").
You do you, I guess. You're not the first person to double down on a weak argument as you try to get people to believe that those who want Putin to go harder on Ukraine are the real NAFOids.
Btw, still spelling city names the Ukrainian way, NAFOid?
Today: Market, monetary and political pressure can no longer be stopped, it can only be slowed down through increase debts, state capture of capitals and companies and increased capital printing. While this pushes the inevitable collapse further forward in the future, it does so at a cost of making that collapse more devastating.
Russia's state issued OFZ bonds has been forced to be bought up by the banking sector (there's been cases of bankers responsible for their bank purchases of these bonds have fallen out of windows). This serves as state loans to fund its budget deficit, however it doesn't come cheap, these bonds have an interest rate of ~16%. Russia had 3.5 trillion RUB in circulation in September, two times that of the already high circulation across the entire 2024 and already as high as Russia's budget deficit in 2024. Historically, OFZ bond issuing sharply increase in Oct, Nov and Dec as that is the time Russia typically pay most of their bills. As Russia have exceptionally high bills to pay this year we can assume OFZ bonds in circulation will increase sharply in the next few months.
This eats up bank liquidity which coupled with sharply increased withdrawals from banks and capital flight a high risk for future bank runs. Banks have already warned of risk for needed bailouts in the future, and this is being accelerated quickly due to Ukrainian and Western sanctions. The very high interest rate and exceptionally high bond issuing with no clear solutions as to how the state can pay these increases the risks of defaults, a default would collapse the value of OFZ bonds. This is a bubble, the state forces bonds to be bought up and might be forced to issue more bonds to pay interest on old ones, drying up bank liquidity. When banks no longer can buy bonds for the state to repay old bonds, the state defaults on payments and bond value collapses, leading to bank and state bankruptcy.
In August we witnessed the beginning of the end of Russia as Ukraine seized the opportunity to hammer a wedge into the crack that was created on the 21st of November, 2024.
>>2532069You said you meant Luhansk.
>>2531985The cope is unreal.
>On March 29, 2022, we withdrew our troops from Kiev because we were assured that it was necessary to create the necessary conditions for completing the political negotiation process, for completing this process. And that it is not possible for one side to sign such agreements, as our Western colleagues said, with a gun to the head. Fine, we agreed to this too.He got fooled into retreating for a bullshit reason that made no sense. Simple as.
Based, nobody will ever be able to convince me that a Christoid is smart and makes good decisions. And Putin is a Christoid.
There have never been a group more invested in backseating (a variation of cheering) a bourgeois, reactionary regime than Cucktin posters.
>>2532157I don't know why you take criticism of Christoid softcocks so personally.
>>2532144Rejecting the MIC conspiracy theory requires accepting the absurd claim that Ukraine has nothing capable of reaching high-profile sites in Moscow and St. P. Or even flying SBU agents in there.
But we will have our moment, MIC conspiracy bros.
Eventually a critical mass of people will ask themselves about this war confined largely to Donbass for four years. Great Patriotic War took 3 years, 11 months.
And we're supposed to believe that Zelensky totes wants to hit Moscow as he claims but doesn't have anything that can reach there. Can't smuggle anything in. Only insured refineries allowed to be hit at 3am.
We're supposed to believe the only missile Ukraine can produce is something that looks like a breadboard kit from Radio Shack.
>>2532165What criticism? You don't criticize anti-communists, you shoot them. But since Putin is out of reach, he can play his game.
I'm not defending Putin, I'm attacking (you). You're just a loser, trying to live out your revolutionary fantasies through fucking Putin, of all people. Stick to Rojava next time. Oh… wait.
>Volkswagen Group is €11 billion short next year, and lacks funds to produce new car models. Volkswagen half-year report for 2025 showed operating profit down 33% from a year earlier and a negative cash flow of €1.4 billion. VW plans deep cuts, asset sales, and leadership changes.another wunderunternehmen on the ropes.
>>2532129>China and India begun refusing RUB, only accepting trade through CNY and INR.Even if that were
true:
this is not an upsetting situation, because then Russia can purchase stuff in China and India.
What you describe in that paragraph is basically a barter, between oil currencies, and then materials. both countries buy a lot of finished products from Russia, which in exchange reliefs that "pressure" you think exists.
> 26th of April, RCB announced the 21% interest rate would remain for an extended periodnot the first time the interest rates are that high. it has been higher in the past. Early the 2000s it was higher.
>A direct contradiction to RCB previous statement.interest rates are not an indication of the capability or ability for a war at all.
you are making shit up. because Russia it's not under a state of war economy.
>This is a contradiction from previous statements, a clear indicator that RCB no longer acted on behalf of the economy but on political agenda.lmao, central bank revisit all the time their numbers and continuously change their policies. see how many times jerome powell have changed the interest rates across different rates.
you just want to interconnect two events following a correlation-causation relationship, without tackling the source of the central bank reasoning they've presented.
>6th of June, market collapsed in a phenomena called market/central bank decoupling, indicating loss of market trust and monetary control.what indicators reflect this? inflation? consumer indexes collapsing?
WHERE ARE THEY?
>This forced RCB and Kremlin to begin showing partial real data in attempt to earn back market trust and regain monetary control.what data is hidden?
>while revenue from international trade and oil prices was in declineoil prices have been stable, second graph.
>international trade decline.looks very stable to me, first graph. in fact, in increased a bit from 2023 to 2024.
>China and India begun accelerating diversifying trade, understanding Russian trade had become a liability.diversifying=/=liability.
liability would have been not to diversify and let the Russian state sink.
hey, you can always dream about a Russian economic collapse.
>>2532213You can try threading the needle all you like, but defending the military decisions of someone you designate the leader of a "bourgeois, reactionary regime" is sadder than criticizing them.
>>2532218"Defending" in this case is questioning your squealing why Putin won't just use nuclear weapons. Sure, I'll take the sadness of
not crying why Putin won't just end it all. It isn't Putin's job to deliver you your revolutionary conditions. It's yours.
My advice to TankAnon would be to drop the flag before running the "you're a loser" shtick. Not that he's necessarily wrong, but it doesn't land as well when people envision some 40-something fat dude sitting in his gaming chair while downing antidepressants. And that's only what he's told us himself! :)
>>2532230If I'm not wrong, then that must sting even harder.
>>2532229>"Defending" in this case is questioning your squealing why Putin won't just use nuclear weapons.Oh, we're back to imagining things again. You're not a revolutionary, bootlicker. Get it straight!
>>2532233Damn, so this post
>>2530015 is just my imagination?
>>2532240>your squealing why Putin won't just use nuclear weapons.>yourYou really are stupid.
>>2532233>bootlicking person is when that person tells you are told you are a joke for expecting things, instead of making things on your own.damn, I guess Hoxha was a bootlicker when criticized China, or Rosa criticized the SPD or Castro when he criticized the CPUSA.
>>2532244Ooh, the "Cucktin posters are not a monolith" approach. Always fun, and insipid. So what "criticism" (that doesn't call for nuclear escalation) have (you) posted?
>>2532258Take your meds, bootlicker.
>>2532260Already have. I'll chase them with your concession, dipshit.
>>2532251Try writing coherently.
Or scream about "cuckteen" posters again. Flaggies live vicariously through Putin and take criticism of him as criticism of themselves.
>>2532264You're obese and heavily medicated, by your own admission. You live vicariously through Putin's "patience" and "lack of impulse" because you're such a petulant waste of breath and aspire to be unfazed yourself.
>>2532266>muh write coherententlyyou understood the text. get mad.
Make a new thread
>>2532272>mad about people calling Putin softYikes, how deranged.
>>2532271>You live vicariously through Putin's "patience" and "lack of impulse"I rarely post, and I don't even think about Putin often. You can stop projecting any time. Only, in your case, you're frustrated that Putin isn't fulfilling your fantasy of defeating the West how you imagine it would go, so he's actually denying you, reminding you of your own impotence.
>>2532283>I rarely postlmao
>I don't even think about Putin often.You think about him by association every time you think about muh Cucktin posters, which is 16-18 hours a day. I know the meds may be distorting your executive function, but look at the big picture here: you sit around on an imageboard fixated on people who call Putin too soft for their liking. Of all the things to do, that's what you choose.
>>2532279>invent a definition of bootlicking>gets reminded of revolutionary people criticizing others for inaction>gets asked if they are bootlickers too<Try writing coherently. yeah, possitive for being mad. stay mad.
>>2532300I intervened before but deleted, since it would add to the confusion, to be clear not the other person with the tank flag
Hurry, keep profiling everybody posting with a flag that everybody can use, yes yes all people posting on an anonymous image board are gay faggot Jewish gypsy indian wiggers including you, what's new?
>>2532321>to be clear not the other person with the tank flagOoh, the "Tank flag posters are not a monolith" approach.
>>2532321 (me)
Also obese
If you want to watch a meltdown just repeatedly call the obsessive flag watcher a fattie and enjoy
I'm glad Las FARC started using a flag just to make it clear that the unique IPs were deceptive and it really is just the same 3-4 flaggie deadenders having meltdowns whenever someone suggests more maximalist aims in Ukraine.
>>2532325iirc, you had a meltdown when asked whether you, as a Russian, actually know anyone in the war or are just reflexively quarterbacking for those who do.
>@McDonalds has just opened its 50th restaurant in Kyiv, running on a generator and full of families looking for warmth, food, and connection.
>Opening a new restaurant during a war is more than a business decision — it’s a statement of resilience, hope, and community.
>In the face of challenges, McDonald’s continues to show what it means to keep going.I’m lovin it - and inspired by it
>>2532316ok, grammar nazi.
So from the temperature of the thread we can assume the west is continuing to lose in the Ukraine?
>>2532349btw, mcdonalds' employees are exempt from mobilization.
incredible, isn't?
this is how imperialism really looks like: transnational companies above the law, by making their own laws.
>>2532354dunno, give us the body counts of russians vs. natoids so we can check
>>2532368no, give us the real numbers.
# of russians dead
vs.
# of natoids dead
my own estimate would be 200,000-300,000 russians dead, a million or more hohol meat dead, and less than 100 natoids dead… probably up to around 5,000 natoids dead if we include the merc scam
>>2532368My theory has always been Ukraine claims their own number of losses with a markup as Russias loses. So this confirms Ukraine really has lost over a million.
>>2532389nobody cares about hohol/banderite meat, tho. not even the west does, hence the silence about hohols/banderites being vanned.
what matters for the international leftist is number of natoids dead.
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