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>>2533426Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2534523Why would any burger follow your ideas about socialism if all you want is some kind of schizo day of the rope mongol invasion for them? Thirdworlders don't want this either
>>2534533i didn't say i wanted that. i live here too. i am basically saying that your "no clean hands in a dirty world" can also apply to america.
you look at pic related and think "ah well, shit happens, no clean hands in a dirty world." but eventually everyone will decide to take off the kid gloves for this empire. and they won't care if you (or me, or my family) are collateral damage, because after all "no clean hands in a dirty world"
>>2534525Seeing shit like that makes me with I was a cat with a nice owner
>>2534539No, the point isn't that all that is good or that all that doesn't matter.
The point is that SpoiledBurrito is obviously in hysterics again over some failure of the American Left to be adequately anti-imperialist, almost certainly that they like the Democrats too much, they like Bernie Sanders/AOC/etc too much, maybe they even like a troop or something. Maybe they're even consuming product when product is made with imperialism. I don't know what specific thing RancidTaco is on about right now. He, and a significant chunk of the Left, cannot accept that there are no clean hands in a dirty world and these purity games are nonsense.
>>2534545for some reason I immediately think of how the cat's butthole is touching some of the kibbles and the cat will eat those kibbles later, but i suppose it's not a big deal since cats lick their own butts anyway
>>2534550When I make a post, I'm being serious and trying to converse in good faith, but when you make a post, you're being disingenuous and strawmanning. Why is that?
they're messing with the treatlers treats
Periodic reminder that if you're not mixing legal and illegal tactics you're objectively not a Communist and not serious about seeing change in our lifetime, and to postpone revolution any longer than that is to doom all future generations to a climate holocaust.
>>2534550When you spam this image, it's to get people to care about your pet cause that "you just don't care enough in", but when i proudly declare "I don't give a weighted damn about it!" you cry and spam it yet again, not to make a point but to jerk yourself off to feel better. You fault the american left for not condemning every problem they see for what, to feel better? Yet the Russian left for example, is hardly expected to do the same, Nor the Indian Left too, Where is the RottenEnchilada on the Indian left's complicity in Modi's india? or Putin's Russia? or even the issue in the country he chooses to live in? not a peep, but every singular American he feels he has a need, issued by his ego to yap about.
>>2534553How did I strawman you. You called it hysterics. That's a direct quote. I'm not being disingenuous at all. I think you're right that there are no clean hands in a dirty world. In fact I began by saying yes, but that principle will also apply to America when the time comes. The first thing you did was characterize me as desiring some kind of "Mongol" invasion. When I clarified that wasn't the case, you started complaining about people being "hysterical."
I agree with your point that there are no clean hands in a dirty world. But as far as "hysterics" go maybe you should consider that there are no dry eyes in a cruel world. People cry and get upset seeing this shit for a reason.
>>2534560I'm talking about BadEmpenada's weird hysterics about the American Left all supposedly being rabid imperialists based on nothing except that he wants attention and maybe something got on his nerves.
You want to talk about something completely different. I never said that being opposed to American imperialism is hysterics. Those are words you are actively trying to force into my mouth.
>>2534558>>2534559Hey buddy, I don't care about Bad Empanada. I just think it's very easy to say "No clean hands in a dirty world" when you're not getting bombed yet. It's very easy to call people mad at America "hysterical" but just be glad that they're only "hysterical" right now and not getting their "hands dirty" so to speak.
Why do I post that image? I post it because I find callous and cruel indifference to suffering to be a trait I don't like seeing in others. I try to discourage it. That isn't to say that people should be "hysterical" and overreact either, but that they should want to put an end to unnecessary cruelty in as efficient and timely a manner as possible, rather than dismissing it as necessary, or just natural.
Do you understand what I'm getting at?
>>2534562>I'm talking about BadEmpenada's weird hysterics about the American Left all supposedly being rabid imperialists based on nothing except that he wants attention and maybe something got on his nerves.idk maybe the graham platner thing and venezuela invasion are pissing him off.
>>2534564>Hey buddy, I don't care about Bad Empanada.Then be quiet. That's all I was talking about.
When I say that "There are no clean hands in a dirty world," I'm not somehow saying that imperialism is fine because that's just how the cookie crumbles or something like that. I'm talking about the very specific type of purity politics that BadEmpenada and his ilk engage in where you are a frothing, bloodthirsty imperialist if you didn't immediately throw yourself on your sword if you accidentally breathed the same air as an imperialist or whatever.
Why do """"""American Leftists"""""" get mad when you call out the fact that their country is founded on genocide and poisons the world with its very existence? Only the complete destruction of settler colonialism can result in liberation. America is Israel but with far more power, just like how Israel loves to infiltrate the media to spread their propaganda the US is the same. All conflicts the US enters into its life or death so will always play dirty to win the battle. China needs to take the gloves off and realize that the only way they can win is by treating the fight with the US as a fight to the death like the US does. So long as a country whose founding purpose is "its okay to genocide people and profit from their destruction" it will be in the interest of that country to pursue genocide until everything else is dead. The USA is a machine of death and its people suckle on the tit of the profits from genocide. Just like Israelis will never sacrifice their identity and attactment to the comforts of genocide americans will neither and both are irredeemable for it. The material basis of the US is genocide and it's the rest of the world or the US. So no there are no """""American Leftists""""" because any leftist in america would discard any notion of being associated with the USA in any way shape or form. The good thing is there is no reason to ask americans because ultimatley the empire is slipping from their grasp and soon they will only have themselves to genocide. I only pray I may live to see the day where the United States is wiped from the face of the earth along with anyone who identifies as an "American"
>>2534575dont know what the fuck you are talking about isnt The "Commune of Turtle Island" like a meme
the whole stereotype is American leftists want to destroy the american identity
>>2534570nobody's saying fall on your sword. that would make you even less of a threat to the ruling class. you should be making them fall on your sword instead.
>>2534575>Why do """"""American Leftists"""""" get mad when you call out the fact that their country is founded on genocide and poisons the world with its very existence? Only the complete destruction of settler colonialism can result in liberation. You said it brother.
I keep telling European """communists""" that they're all labor aristocratic settlers and that communism is impossible until we re-create Gaul and they keep acting like I'm crazy.
>>2534575>Why do people get angry when I tell them I want to kill them?Bait or mental retardation? Call it.
>>2534543If you go dig a hole to china it produces 0 market value.
If you expend the same amount of labor making a gold ring vs a copper ring, the negative utility it costs you is the same for both but the gold ring produces more market value. Capital inputs matter as a factor of production.
>>2534585a "hole to china" isn't a commodity. marx is talking about industrialized commodity production. of course you can "debunk" labor theory of value if you deliberately apply it to a sphere of activity it was never intended to describe in the first place. You try and fail to shove a square peg in a round hole and declare that the square peg is malformed as a result.
>>2534585> Capital inputs matter as a factor of production.Marx acknowledges this though. He also points out however that capital inputs are products of past labor. Just read Capital Volume 1 and stop thinking you understand Marx because you watched a few libertarians "debunk" him on youtube or whatever.
>>2534585>If you expend the same amount of labor making a gold ring vs a copper ring, the negative utility it costs you is the same for both but the gold ring produces more market value.because gold is a more scarce metal, and therefore took more socially necessary labor time to find and extract
>>2534587I'm sorry anon, I'll do better next time.
i mean, i think saying the american left is national socialist is just an accurate description. people anywhere in the world are depressingly only concerned with their own material conditions. the average american is, like the average good german of nazi germany was, only concerned with maintaining their own standard of living and comforts. not how that standard of living and comforts are obtained and maintained. it is a wholly fascistic society. that is where it's overton window is placed and therefore, yes, the left in the country are limited to wanting universal healthcare and not caring where it comes from.
>>2534599Not enough of us, yes, but many of us say end imperialism but also give us healthcare. you say that is impossible without imperialist plunder. why is it impossible without imperialist plunder? Why can't the ruling class be expropriated
instead of the third world? How does bombing people in the Middle East get Americans cheaper insulin and so forth? What is the actual connection, and what can be done to sever that connection of it exists? What can we Americans do to decouple our propserity from imperialism, and build other sources of prosperity which do not rely on imperialism? This is a good faith question.
>>2534606
sorry i shoudln't have anticipated counter arguments you didn't make. i meant to show my line of thinking. rather than saying "you say that it is impossible without plunder" I should have said "one might say that it is impossible without plunder. if so, why?"
>>2534607
>his grave
bro didn't die though. he posts here all the time.
>>2534607
Felix don't talk about yourself in the third-person you Amerocentrist loon.
>>2534602i don't say that. i'm not the anon you were arguing with.
>How does bombing people in the Middle East get Americans cheaper insulin and so forth? What is the actual connectionamerican military interventions and covert actions primarily through the CIA bring forth conditions favorable for american capital. that in concert with control of various global financial instruments and institutions guarantee the availability of certain goods in the usa and the prioritizing of it's consumer base by other capitalists around the world. the governments of the countries where those capitalists are from are effectively forced to facilitate their operation at the expense of internal national development due to the influence of the aforementioned global financial institutions and unspoken threat of military intervention. read killing hope and unequal exchange.
>What can we Americans do to decouple our propserity from imperialism, and build other sources of prosperity which do not rely on imperialism?that's the big question. sorry. i don't know.
>>2534611we must stop being loyal to the blue countries in the bottom graph
america green instead of blue in that bottom graph because of its massive internal colonized population and prisoners and homeless people, etc. >>2534613ok, thank you for your thoughtful reply. i have read killing hope but not unequal exchange.
>>2534614>internal colonized populationThere is no such thing. The whole concept of "internal colonization" is an exercise in everything looking like a nail when all you have is a hammer.
>>2534581>I removed the nazi tattoo guys, please elect me? This is somehow even more embarrassing than it already was
>>2534579They absolutely say fall on your sword since part of the analysis is thinking the proles will never do a revolution.
Badempanada came out as a 3rd worldist 2 years ago precisely because he thinks only the revolution will happen in the third world, (now he's not even a communist).
You can point to lack of success, (which we can do the inverse ), it's clear they dont grasp the working class.
Like BE thought americans would never turn against Israel.
>>2534619The reservations aren't Native American holding areas or whatever you're implying, they're places reserved for the Native American nations where they can hold some degree of sovereignty. Native Americans are free to leave the reservations if they want.
What was done to the Native Americans was just regular old colonization, not "internal colonization." The concept of "internal colonization" was basically that all oppressed groups are basically colonized if colonization is the only form of oppression you've done any actual studying about.
>>2534620
>Pine Ridge is the poorest place in the western hemisphere, it's poorer than Haiti, and has a lower life expectancy. The genocide of the Lakota Sioux people is ongoing.
that's my point. the other anon was saying there's no internal colonization.
>>2534623>The reservations aren't Native American holding areas or whatever you're implying, they're places reserved for the Native American nations where they can hold some degree of sovereignty. this is a mighty benevolent narrative given the history
As someone who has lived through a few natural disasters, something I learned is that when people are panicking and trying to evacuate and flee the hurricane, they act like rabid wild animals and it's every man for himself, but when people decide to stay and ride out the storm and live in the flooded wreckage with no power or emergency services or any semblance of civilization for weeks and weeks, suddenly there's this weird unspoken bond between total strangers and everyone is very neighborly and helpful, everyone becomes a sort of community of survivors looking out for each other. It's like when everyone is in the same boat and is equally and utterly fucked, suddenly you have a peaceful self-governing anarchist society.
>>2534623>What was done to the Native Americans was just regular old colonization, not "internal colonization." The concept of "internal colonization" was basically that all oppressed groups are basically colonized if colonization is the only form of oppression you've done any actual studying about.ok i guess i misunderstood your argument. I thought you were denying any oppression whatsoever, not taking a mere semantic issue with the term internal colonization.
>>2534625I didn't say they had total sovereignty or that their relationship with the American federal government was great and fair. I just stated what the purpose of the reservations is supposed to be, at least on paper.
>>2534626your insight is true, but it's not that surprising. humans were hunter gatherers for 200,000 years before becoming sedentary only about 10,000 years ago. So our default mode is to be, as you said
>a sort of community of survivors looking out for each other.where
>everyone is in the same boat and is equally and utterly fuckedthe problem is we need to learn to be that way while prosperous. We shouldn't have to wait until we're fucked to be nice to each other.
>>2534627When people talk about "internal colonization," they're typically saying some bullshit like "black Americans are actually a colonized people", "gays are actually colonized", "women are actually colonized" "Latino-Americans are colonized" so on and so forth, with some flippant comparison to colonial regimes.
Question is there anything I can do right now do to speed up the collapse of Capitalism?
Besides shorting AI stocks I guess.
>>2534629It's the panicked animal fight-or-flight response versus the adaptive human response. I think that's really what separates civilization from non-civilization.
>>2534637
There is no armed body of the proletariat in America tho.
>>2534639Start reading and figure out how to build a localized group while being connected to a national project (which doesn't exist yet either!).
https://erikhoudini.com/weeksasdecadesreadinglistYou'll quickly realize that one person trying to be a "professional revolutionary" is like throwing snowballs into hell to put out the fires. It is an impossible task that will leave you feeling burnt out, deprived, disconnected a s all the while wordering if anything you've done or could ever do would make a difference. Alternatively you could be born into wealth and just make YouTube videos about socialism, less soul crushing, more profit but not accessible to the working poor.
>>2534630It's so tiring. Every time a "socialist" liberal stumbles upon the effects of capitalism they somehow find a way to turn it around and turn it into idpol
>>2534639>There is no armed body of the proletariat in America tho.Oh there is, but they're all firmly on the US government's side for the time being.
>>2534640The conditions do not currently exist in America for an armed body of the proletariat. Americans are not serious enough to shoot back at ICE agents. We aren't there yet.
I meant steps to actually speed up the deterioration of material conditions that would push the American proletariat in that direction. Because if the conditions currently existed for a Communist army in the US I'd probably have volunteered already.
>>2534641>Start readingNo. We should've been reading 40 years ago. Right now we need action. Do you actually have the knowledge? Have you read the necessary material before? Can you help guide people towards building a revolution with actual instructions? Because we don't have time to tell every American to read Marx.
>>2534640
Unlike the Viet Minh, the United States is not a colonized nation and in the condition of a civil war, whoever the proletarian representatives were would likely be crushed and unable to operate across the entire nation in the first place
>>2534637>Organize the armed body of the proletariat to take active action against the United States government with the explicit aim to degrade it, destroy it's authority and diminish it's influence through all available means.>>2534639<There is no armed body of the proletariat in America tho.>>2534647>Oh there is, but they're all firmly on the US government's side for the time being.So how do you get people who are
>on the US government's side for the time being.and get them to
>take active action against the United States government???
>Have you read the necessary material before? Can you help guide people towards building a revolution with actual instructions? Because we don't have time to tell every American to read Marx.
No shit, you are supposed to reqd theory so you can better understand the situations of the masses and how to remedy them. It is the intellectuals who, and any man can be an intellectual but only some are due to their material conditions, are supposed to build counter power to reject and replace the cultural hegomonic power of the current social contract. The people who need to read theory should also be the ones leading the front towards larger organizational capacities. You are here, you got the message, you know the stakes, which means you are in a Gramscian semse, a member of the intellectual psuedo class.
All of the failure falls on us, not the masses.
>>2534653>So how do you get people who are>>on the US government's side for the time being.>and get them to>>take active action against the United States government>???You don't, and you don't really need to anyway, it will probably happen anyway. The euphoria of Trumpism is going to wear off eventually, believe me.
If Foco theory worked in the imperial core the panthers wouldn't have disavowed the weathermen.
But that logic won't be good enough for fedboy here
>>2534659did u forget about the poverty draft buddy
>>2534658
Felix I don't know how to tell you this but America is not currently occupied like Vietnam nor is it an apartheid state like SA. The American underclass all view themselves as part of the main societal body and are therefore unwilling to revolt against their "neighbors" the same way Vietnam or South Africa did.
>>2534633
>The US hides evidence of this by declaring entire areas hostile
>All Troops Are Bastards.
Clearly there is a non-zero amount that are just brainwashed or desperate or naive. Michael Prsyner? Chelsea Manning? Furthermore, you can't win a revolution by counting on minimally armed, irregular forces. We should be seeking to convert and reeducate all those who have potential.
>>2534634Quit your job and don't work anymore and encourage others to do likewise.
>>2534667Jokes on you I don't have a job.
>>2534642except when I used internal colonization as a term earlier I never said it was unrelated to capitalism and I wasn't "doing idpol" and I'm not liberal. :|
>>2534659Did you know that a lot of transwahmen are ex military?
Gay
>>2534672there are ex pentagon trans women XD
>>2534671Wasn't talking about you anon, I was broadly referring to the left today, because a lot of left-wing doctrine is actually just people who are moderately successful feeling guilty
>>2534665Puerto Ricans, American Samoans, and people on reservations might disagree with your take
>>2534663>did u forget about the poverty draft buddyi think this is massively overstated in the USA. Analyses of U.S. military recruits (from the Department of Defense, RAND, and Pew Research Center) show that enlisted personnel are disproportionately drawn from the middle three income quintiles that is, households with incomes roughly in the middle 60% of the national distribution. It is not the poorest or the richest but the suburban middle class who makes up the bulk of the military recruits.
>>2534672A probable of minority of an already very small demographic of people. That just reinforces my point. Not to mention marginalized people are not inherently more prone to joining revolutionary causes than more privileged groups or have we forgotten the scores of visibly brown Hispanics professing their love for Adolf Hitler online?
Hey chat if how can I miserymaxx my consumption since I'm a hopeless kkkraka treatlerite? I'm too poor to afford diamonds and annual electronics. I was thinking mostly indulging in chocolate and coffee.
>>2534616
Hoxha was cool and all you’ll ever be is a sexual pervert and compulsory masturbator.
>>2534666Literally every major socialist revolution that has had any amount of success has seen defections from the army and often also the police. Arguably one of the decisive factors for the victory of the Bolsheviks is that they got the Russian Imperial Army to become the Red Army. Some were proletarian and peasant recruits, but the greater bulk of the Red Army were just defected Russian Imperial Army soldiers. One of the biggest Achilles' heels of the modern capitalist state is that it doesn't have a permanent, official warrior caste and has to draw from general society for its soldiers and enforcers. And the state knows this too, you could tell from the minor panic that swept through the military when it came to light that a petty officer had a hidden Che shirt and a "communism will win" message under his uniform.
Because of this, rigid anti-soldier sentiment among the left has always stunk to me of COINTELPRO-style glowshit. It's also partially what I meant when I said that there are no clean hands in a dirty world. This is exactly the sort of moralism that hampers your ability to have any kind of effective politics, especially revolutionary politics.
>"No! Please don't go for the state's weak spot! You'll… uh… sully yourselves with people who have been forever dirtied by imperial violence!" It definitely isn't a good idea to have members of your collective actively enlist into the regime's forces in order to both gain direct Intel but also power on the inside, deff not a good idea at all!
But even if you did this, what could a handful of these types even really do?! Probably not jack or shit!
>>2534689I don't know how many times it has been explained on here, or if you were present for any of those times, but there is a big difference between the Tsarist army in WW1, where they were mostly drafted and sent to die in trenches fighting near peer rivals, and the US army of today, where they all volunteer and are sent to wage massively asymmetrical warfare against third world insurgencies, or just fuck around on a base or a boat for a few years.
Until Americans are drafted and dying in trenches fighting a near peer-power, like the Ukrainians and Russians are right now, it is unlikely that soldiers will defect to any kind of anti-government force. You flatten the real historical differences between the conditions that made the tsar's draftees in WW1 defect to the Bolsheviks and the conditions of the US military today.
It's not merely a "rigid anti-soldiers sentiment" but a recognition that these people volunteer to bomb countries that didn't attack them in wars for natural resources that are started based on obvious lies. This isn't "moralism" either. It's an honest assessment.
>>2534692
>Spear of the Nation
>Communist
>>2534698Spear of the Nation had SACP members, yes.
>>2534666>>2534689so long as it is recognized how those people might be useful should a moment in time comparable to that come. but that moment is not here now and will not come in a long time.
also those in the russian imperial army who joined the red army out of an opportunistic survivalism rather than a fervent ideological belief in the cause. if usa military are going to join leftist organizations it is reasonable to expect that it will largely be under similar circumstances
>>2534577Looks like the new pokemon game kek
>>2534621he didn't remove it, he just covered it up with some pregnant looking celtic dog thing
>>2534661Do nothing, win?
>>2534696>American soldiers need to be purified in hardship to become communistsOkay, but moving making the moralism take on a pseudo-mystical aspect, that's neither here nor there. The point is that if you want a successful revolution, you're going to want to have a significant defection in the military and/or police. No, I don't believe that the military needs to specifically die in trenches to defect. There have been plenty of military defections that did not require that you be sent to the trenches. Like I said, basically all communist revolutions involved major defections from the military and/or police, and only one of them involved any kind of trench warfare.
>It's not merely a "rigid anti-soldiers sentiment" but a recognition that these people volunteer to bomb countries that didn't attack them in wars for natural resources that are started based on obvious lies. This isn't "moralism" either. It's an honest assessment.If you were doing an "honest assessment" and not moralism, you would recognize that the American state and media apparatus has not been even remotely honest about imperialism and the role of its military. As far as the American establishment is concerned, imperialism doesn't exist and the military's sole function of the defense of the United States in some vague way.
Vid related is a fairly standard view of how the American state and media have portrayed the military. It's really only Trump and Hegseth who have tried changing this tune.
I feel like the US right now is in the midst of a repeat of the Gilded Age/Roaring Twenties period of American history, the phase of extreme decadence and greed and wealth inequality and billionaire oligarchs ruling the world that precedes the massive stock market crash and severe economic depression. I hope this one ends up being even worse than the Great Depression and it destroys the country for good.
>>2534701>>2534704Both the Bolsheviks and Chinese Communists actively agitated within their nation's militaries. They did this because it's fucking obvious that you would want to do this if you're trying to start some kind of revolution. It makes every bit of sense to do this, and no sense to not do this. There is no guarantee that it will work, but the chance of it working under any circumstance are a thousand times better than relying entirely on some shitty militias or hoping for some spontaneous, pseudo-religious "Revolution" where all the proletarian masses just suddenly march out into the streets at the same moment and decide to become revolutionary communists, all injustices are swept away and a New Socialist Jerusalem is made upon the Earth (which some people actually believe).
>>2534714
>Do you intentionally ignore the example of South Africa?
South Africa is not communist and the end of apartheid wasn't brought about by the Spear of the Nation regardless, but rather a combination of forces, a big one of which was major shifts in the global geopolitical situation.
Gm larpfags
>>2534709>American soldiers need to be purified in hardship to become communistsnot what i said. I pointed out that the soldiers in WW1 Russia were drafted against their will and were being slaughtered in trenches in brutal warfare against near peer rivals. by contrast americans are volunteering to go fight in third world countries in massively asymmetrical warfare.
Roughly 0.3% of U.S. soldiers who served in the Iraq War died.
Around 15% of Russian soldiers who served in WWI died.
It is not about some moral "purification" through hardship (a quote you made up that I didn't say) I'm saying that people are inspired to defect from their country if their country is forcing them to go die in a dangerous conflict.
meanwhile Americans are volunteering to go attack people massively asymmetrical conflicts where they have a low risk of dying.
so the US military is largely composed of people who want to be there, volunteers, who have a low risk of dying. they are therefore unlikely to defect to anti-government revolutionaries.
the Russian military in WW1 was meanwhile composed of people who didn't want to be there, draftees, who had a high risk of dying. they were therefore highly likely to defect to anti-government revolutionaries.
Make sense?
>>2534722>Roughly 0.3% of U.S. soldiers who served in the Iraq War died.
>Around 15% of Russian soldiers who served in WWI died.For additional perspective on this: This means, essentially, that a Russian (usually drafted, probably didn't want to be there) in WW1 was about 50 times more likely to die than a US soldier (volunteer, probably did want to be there) in Iraq.
Which of those two do you think will defect against their government and join anti-government revolutionaries? The one who was forced to go die by his government, or the one who volunteered to go kill for his government?
>>2534722>not what i said.But it IS the implication. The difference between American soldiers and Russian Imperial soldiers is that American soldiers have it good, while the Russian Imperial soldiers had to endure brutal hardship, and this purified them and made them ready for revolution.
Which is nonsense. Historically speaking, there have been plenty of armies that have revolted or gone rogue without needing to be slaughtered in the trenches. Ethiopia went communist because of a military coup. What trenches were they being slaughtered in?
And, once again, you ignore a critical part of the American ideological apparatus in regards to imperialism and its military because it isn't convenient for this narrative you're trying to spin up. The military doesn't tell people they're going to go subjugate lesser nations. They tell them that they're defending their country.
>>2534723I didn't claim that the ENTIRE army went over to the Reds, but the bulk of it did, and those defectors formed the core of the new Red Army. The Red Army was not some fucking militia.
>>2534725>But it IS the implicationno it wasn't. you're saying that I'm saying that soldiers become morally "pure" through hardship. what I am saying in reality is that soldiers are more likely to defect against their government when drafted into a highly deadly conflict against their will (like Russians in WW1, 15% of whom died) vs. volunteering for a less dangerous occupation (like Americans in Iraq, only 0.3% of whom died). It's not about morality, it's about their material interests. If you want to be in the military, and you volunteer, you likely have no problem with your government, but if your government drags you into a conflict you wanted nothing to do with, you are more at odds with your government. This is the difference between Russian soldiers in WW1 and American soldiers in recent imperialist occupations. You started off the conversation ignoring these differences while alluding to some "anti soldier sentiment." The sentiment isn't "anti soldier" it's just recognizing that people who volunteer to do imperialism are less likely to go against their government than people who are drafted to become trench meat. Please read the entirety of these two posts and understand my argument fully instead of erecting some strawman who waxes poetic about moral purification through hardship.
>>2534722>>2534724 >>2534725>Which is nonsense. Historically speaking, there have been plenty of armies that have revolted or gone rogue without needing to be slaughtered in the trenches. Ethiopia went communist because of a military coup. What trenches were they being slaughtered in?Italian occupation 1936-1941 created the first crisis which weakened Selassie and led directly to the conditions of the revolution in 1974. But Ethiopia in general was an impoverished semi-feudal country in the global South. The Ethiopian army under Selassie, mostly drafted, was being used to put down regional revolts of students, workers, and peasants. So it is in that context of the DRAFTED army being FORCED by the government to kill their OWN countrymen that the revolt within the ranks happened. This is different than Americans, again, VOLUNTEERING to occupy far away countries where they do not kill Americans. you keep comparing these massively different situations as though they are the same.
I am telling you that if America brought back the draft, and forced soldiers to kill American workers, you would see a lot more defection in the military. You are not going to see much defection from the military in the context of people volunteering for imperialist occupations of far away countries, especially when the death rate for US soldiers is well below 1%. Maybe if US soldiers in Iraq were DRAFTED and dying at a rate similar to Russians in WW1 you'd end up with revolutionary defections. But as it stands, not only is there not a red army to defect to, American soldiers are neither drafted nor dying at an alarming rate in imperialist occupations. The closest we got was Vietnam, where soldiers started fragging their officers. the top brass wisened up and ended the draft for that reason.
>>2534689how to make this "what if the US army defected to US communists just like Russian soldiers defected to red army in 1917" analogy make sense:
1. bring back the draft and make sure most recruits are drafted and don't want to be there
2. put the US in conflict with near-peer rivals in trench warfare where soldiers are dying at 50x the percentage rate they were dying in Iraq
3. have this conflict taking place on US soil rather than far away
4. have massive economic downturn at the same time
5. have an already existing highly disciplined and organized communist party with paramilitary wing for soldiers to defect to
6. begin making overtures to the soldiers appealing to them on the basis of their government sending them to die for capitalist profit
this is the situation where the american situation will actually be analogous to the russian situation in WW1
are we in that situation? no.
And now that everyone understands that we must do this within our lifetime and understands why no crisis is coming which can degrade the American military, we have to figure out a way to defeat it without a lot of soldiers. The only way is to starve it. To strike at its underbelly where it's weak. We have to start small with targeted, regimented, militant non-violence which is used as the foundation to build cadres capable of direct action. We have to force the state to escalate against us to such a huge extent that it cannot fight it's imperialist wars and maintain occupationa any longer, force it to turn it's gaze inward.
>>2534736wow that's downright feudal conditions, under my supposedly post-feudal capitalism?!?!?!?!
>>2534728>>2534731>>2534733While all that argument is interesting, if the military and/or police don't defect, revolution is impossible. You might as well shoot your shot. You don't get a choice.
>>2534739my wife keeps my cock in downright feudal conditions
>>2534740my argument is that you need to create the conditions where a significant percentage of them are more willing to defect than they currently are. people don't revolt when they agree with the government and volunteer to fight for it. peple do revolt when they are forced to fight for the government despite not agreeing with it.
>>2534737 i require context
>>2534719Apartheid South Africa was brought down by mixing legal and illegal tactics spanning the gamut from protest matches and demonstrations, mass defiance of laws and general strikes to armed action. This is always what I've been telling you to do, but you don't listen. You have to use ALL available tactics, not just the ones that are acceptable to the bourgeoise.
>>2534744Drafted armies are more likely to revolt, but they're not the only type of army that has ever revolted.
I don't think many people agree with the government. The government isn't honest about what it does. If all these military men liked the idea of imperialism, you wouldn't have need for the lies. What's more, a significant chunk of soldiers join the military for things like the GI bill. It is seen as a way out of poverty. They aren't necessarily doing it for any government objective, fair or foul.
>>2534748>You have to use ALL available tactics, not just the ones that are acceptable to the bourgeoise.You think the bourgeoisie likes it when you agitate in their military?
>>2534750And how do you even propose we do that? Are you going to hand out flyers outside your local air force base?
>>2534737good fuck the disunited snakes of crackmerikkka
>>2534754Now imagine what you could do with deliberste sabotage.
>>2534749>I don't think many people agree with the government. The problem is that polling data shows Americans in general, but especially soldiers, agree with each new fresh imperial venture, but disagree with it 10-15 years after it's over. Americans agreed with Korea when it happened, then forgot about it. Americans agreed with Vietnam when it happened, and only disagreed with it later. Americans admitted Vietnam was bad when they invaded Iraq, but believed the lies about WMDs. And they admit Iraq was bad, now, but believe the lie about Maduro being a drug lord. The gullibility has to run out first. That's one of the preconditions. Only when they stop falling for the lies
while the lie is still relevant will they begin to revolt. Not 10-15 years after the lie, when the dust has settled.
>The government isn't honest about what it does. Of course.
>If all these military men liked the idea of imperialism, you wouldn't have need for the lies. Too many of them believe the lies still. We need a critical mass who not only disbelieve the lie inside their own heads, but openly tell each other not to believe the lie. There are also situations where people know with their minds they are being lied to but they say with their mouth that they believe the lie, in order to fit in. We have to go beyond that.
>What's more, a significant chunk of soldiers join the military for things like the GI bill. Things like the GI bill increase loyalty to the government. The Russians in WW1 didn't get such benefits. Again it's not about the moral purity or the "treats" received as some frame it, but about divorcing the material interests of the soldier from the government so that they are more likely to become revolutionary in their outlook. We say the same thing when discussing the middle class collapsing and becoming working class. It's not "Good" that such things happen, but it is "necessary" as a precondition for revolution. This is why reforms (like ending the draft and the GI bill) postpone revolution.
>It is seen as a way out of poverty. They aren't necessarily doing it for any government objective, fair or foul.but they still have a conflict of interest in that situation.
>>2534754oh and here I was thinking it was the aftermath of some kind of bomb placed on the underside
>>2534756daily reminder:
https://specificsuggestions.com (use filters)
[and the CIA's
Simple Sabotage manuals]
>>2534581>chinese tatooherr platner is a denGOD confirmed
gm platnerbros what's the move for today
>>2534679>Analyses of U.S. military recruits (from the Department of Defense, RAND, and Pew Research Center) show that enlisted personnel are disproportionately drawn from the middle three income quintiles that is, households with incomes roughly in the middle 60% of the national distribution. It is not the poorest or the richest but the suburban middle class who makes up the bulk of the military recruits.Yeah. Mid-to-high (relative) income exurban schools in the South are like gold mines for military recruiters. It's the Buttrock Belt in places like suburban North Carolina. To be sure it's actually quite diverse but they don't want ghetto kids or trailer park Beavis & Buttheads so much outside of exceptional periods like the Vietnam War and the occupation of Iraq when the military lowered recruiting standards (like scores on standardized tests) to make up for shortfalls.
>>2534689>>2534696>>2534709>>2534715>>2534733I think you're all correct, basically, but what is being overlooked is the social class structure within the military itself. The proletarian-bourgeois conflict is mirrored within the military between the rank-and-file soldiers and their officers.
Especially in Russia, the officer class really was a separate social class apart from the soldiers. Most soldiers were raised in annual conscription drives while the non-commissioned officers were mostly recruited from soldiers' sons and raised in military establishments from early on in life, and as a result had nothing in common with the soldiers they were supposed to lead. It was even worse with the commissioned officers who came from the nobility (which was obliged to serve but for whom military service was thought of as a disgusting if necessary thing to maintain their own noble privileges). Anyhow, Friedrich Engels wrote about this in "The Armies of Europe" and said this contributed to the immense corruption that pervaded the Russian army.
And while hardship is a factor, I think a big factor is mistreatment of soldiers by their own officers. I think this factor has also contributed to naval mutinities in history, including naval mutinies in the British Royal Navy because the officers were dishing out brutal (frequently lethal) punishments of rank-and-file sailors (who could also be press-ganged into service). There's also an aspect of naval life that is kind of industrial, it's like working inside a factory. Now, generally speaking, the military is about a fairly rigid hierarchy, but in these situations you also had highly class-stratified armies. I'm not sure how that corresponds to the U.S. military when it's disproportionately made up of people in the middle 60%, and the U.S. military is probably well aware of everything I've talking about. Also, it's probably a secondary factor, but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission-type_tactics >>2534562>>2534570the part where empanada gets off on people like PLatner isn't that they're who are up for vote, it's that the american left never bothered to set up a worker's party outside of this.
"The only people we can vote for is nazis!" doesn't explain why the american left is so completely incapable of forming any kind of alternative to voting for nazis.
>>2534831Despite yelling at people over it I don't think the western left is just people who are willing to sit on their hands and do fucking nothing and just benefit from imperialism. I think it would become quite obvious that the bourgeoisie are far more skilled at controlling their populaces now than they were in 1925.
But damn it realyl feels hard to disagree with this stance when people see a mass murderer who literally joined to kill for fun with a nazi tat and just go "Oh well, gotta vote, them's the brakes!" as if we weren't supposed to be the ones working to make alternatives to this rotten system.
>>2534831PSL is fielding senate candidates. I keep pointing that out and the platner shills keep going "uh, uh, anyway…" and not acknowledging it.
>>2534611Bezos is worth $500 billion dollars
I am worth $5
This data is skewed due to the law of averages
why should i not support platner
>Dozens of start-ups are working on a new generation of smaller reactors meant to be cheaper than the hulking plants of old. Tech companies like Google, Amazon and OpenAI are pouring billions into nuclear start-ups like Kairos Power, X-Energy and Oklo to help power their data centers for artificial intelligence. Early projects are underway in Wyoming, Texas and Tennessee, though few, if any, new reactors are expected before the 2030s.
<Yet some worry that the United States is betting too heavily on technological breakthroughs instead of focusing on the financing, skills and infrastructure needed to build plants, as China has. The U.S., for instance, has lost almost all of its heavy forging capacity to make large reactor components. A new generation of advanced reactors could also take years to perfect, leaving America behind.
over before it even began
>>2534850Rather blow my brains out that support the PSL in any way shape or form. Tell Roy to cut ya a bigger check, maybe make a few more front organizations to llaunder legitimacy to your sex pest cult.
>>2534850Nobody here is really shilling Platner though. Like he has not come up at all except briefly when he became the front runner a few weeks ago, and the general attitude towards him here was skeptical. The discussion is mostly driven by anons who really don't like him because of his tattoo and military background.
>>2534853>instead of focusing on the financing, skills and infrastructure needed to build plants, as China hasWow, turns out that doing stupid shit like deindustrialization, and not building nuclear power plants (that also use plutonium) in favor of building nuclear bombs was a really stupid idea.
>>2534850>Joe Tache, a Boston-based organizer with the Party for Socialism and Liberation, has entered the 2026 U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts. He is running for the seat currently held by Democrat Ed Markey as part of an effort to promote socialism in the state and establish a working-class movement.based. i think this is their first time fielding candidates
>>2534853Pretty sure Chinese costs are higher than that, they just don't really communicate figures, and even on the graph it's a stretch to say they are decreasing. There's a reason why China abandoned their big plans for nuclear and are relegating it to less than 10% of generation, it's the intrinsically high costs of this tech.
Making small modular reactors makes this even worse mind you and it's so obviously a PR move/grift and generally a stupid idea that burger tech companies must know that which makes me wonder if there is a big angle here, like saving the flailing oil/coal industry using that to power data center while promising clean paper reactors.
>>2534856There were multiple people doing thread-long arguments for him. One guy even quoted "Infantile Disorder," ironically the exact quote where Lenin explicitly says that communists HAVE to form their own party.
>>2534872what does this even mean?
>>2534872Default Default Default Default Default Default Default Default Default Default
>Platner also made references to political violence in several posts. In 2018, he said in response to a thread in which someone invoked leaving the U.S. due to Trump-era immigration policies: “Fight until you get tired of fighting with words and then fight with signs, and fists, and guns if need be.”
>Netanyahu said in July at a meeting alongside Trump that he was “not concerned” about Mamdani’s wishes to have him arrested. He suggested he would travel with Trump and then “we’ll see” if he was arrested.
>>2534856I literally argued against someone saying that they just "need enough gibs to get by for now" as if one fucking rat bastard in the SENATE was going to seriously change the direction of the country, instead of Platner far more likely just being used as another spoiler for the dems.
>>2534883making meaningful change isn't the point of running candidates
>>2534882More punching down to escape responsibility
>>2534878I was shocked when the interviewer gave him pushback and then I unmuted the video and heard she had a british accent and then I was like "ah that explains it"
>>2534892kamalah harris results are the most interesting
50:50 love/hate
>>2534895the wife of kyle kulinski
>>2534892Stronger, less scorned base I suppose
>>2534895I hate democracy. I hate it very much.
>>2534910ground beef is so expensive nowadays i dont see how its cheaper tbh
>>2534887Go look back two threads and read
>>2534915im not doing that, its just simply makes my job easier if there are other socialists in the government legitimizing socialisms relevance to today, i couldn't give less of a crap about performance
>>2534653That's the neat part, you dont! The best you can do is shitpost on an irrelevant website about how you're the One True Communist and drive everyone insane!
>>2534679>Puerto Ricans, American Samoans, and people on reservations might disagree with your takeso like 2-3% of the population? the remaining 97-98% do though, and even then there's plenty of puerto ricans who do, a growing number of amerindians, and using the american samoans as an example are laughable, plenty of them identify as americans first, samoans second
>>2534653You first need to build up people's trust in each other. We need clusters and communities of people who trust each other first
>>2534891>the interviewer gave him pushback and then I unmuted the video and heard she had a british accent and then I was like "ah that explains it"how that..?
brits have a fucking king.
>>2534942american journalists never pushback against anything our government does
>>2534681
>The thing is, we have to do this, and we have to do it within our lifetimes or we are inevitably dooming all future generations to a potentially civilization ending event of climate change. We have to use existing models to figure out how this can be done, because it absolutely must. Your lack of urgency is essentially an act of genocide.
>By the way, America was an apartheid state within the lifetime of my parents, and if you look at it's economic outcomes it still absolutely is.
this is insane and you know it, and to get it through your thin skull, the united states racial system has very little in common in with the south african racial system, and your claims of the US being an "apartheid nation within the lifetime of your parents" is real funny, given the only place where that was true in the US was the pacific northwest, which while you live there, that would have been true when your great-grandparents were alive, that isn't to say "there was no racial segregation in the US" but apartheid was a lot more than just "racial segregation", it was also the complete isolation and continued displacement of the indigenous blacks, but also the other minorities with limited exceptions, citing joe slovo when there is nothing analogous in the US today is just grandstanding rather than an actual solution, which makes sense, given you're nothing but an antisocial psycho with an internet connection, and guns you won't use but to pose with to feel like a real oppressed revolutionary, but let me outline this for you, if there's no large group in the US that's widely oppressed (and not in the sense that there's some discrimination, but actual large scale oppression), then the spear of the nation LARP is entirely pointless, in fact felix, the people who you should be going to are the people you hate the most, you can say that "humanity is LITERALLY GONNA DIE in 30 YEARS, so you have to participate in my weekly masturbation sessions, where we cry and read joe slovo and others, and feel real bad about ourselves" because let's be clear, who is that convincing to become a militant member of your american spear of the nation? let alone form one? even if you pull the "but you're endorsing mass death of humans, isn't that bad?" i can tell you that you are not at all better in that aspect, you call for all of these things, yet you do nothing except post here for those aforementioned masturbation sessions
>>2534947GOG, and MAGOG (mexican-american groyper-occupieid government)
>>2534926>Zogbot blast away a muttSpeak like a normal person and just say "cop murders man".
>Indian doctors in US worry higher H-1B fee may destroy rural healthcare
>>2534957platner should just double down on it honestly, it's a less cucked path at least
>>2534954The US healthcare system will collapse HARD when all the Filipino nurses and Indian doctors leave.
>>2534962notice how he turned the other cheek
>>2534959Bro is gonna declare himself a NazBol and get 99% of the votes because he finally represents the interest of the average petit bourgeois AmeriKKKan (free healthcare but also kill all brown people).
Hey I just noticed Canada used the same Reagan speech against tariffs that China did. This one from 1988 is better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp1T7kPEdDY>>2534967he needs to run for president,the american people will FINALLY feel represented!
>>2534966Idek what this one means
>>2534877>this is how they are not Joe Biden>with an oh wowpf. they will allow the zionist annexation of the west bank. it only needs two or three more adelson's visits.
symbolic vote my ass. even satanyahoo rushed in English to lie in X, and got community noted, trying to blame the opposition, when it was his own party that presented and promoted the annexation vote, and the opposition party opposed the bill and vote.
>>2534979No, he should go to Iraq or Afghanistan, turn himself in and let the people there judge him for his crimes.
What are the real reasons for approximately 30% of Americans having no politics but Trump worship and "owning the libs"?
platner only adds to prove the lie that people should give a shit about veterans.
>i went to war, im special
no youre not, now fuck off.
fuck cops and fuck veterans.
>>2535003Cali also has the biggest economy in the US
>>2535003That's like 10% of California's GDP thoughever
>>2535006>>2535004they're being propped up by silicon valley, what's gonna happen when the AI bubble pops
>Silicon Valley has a China envy problem.
>In social media posts, podcasts, interviews and newsletters, the elites of the American tech sector are marveling at China’s speed in building infrastructure, its manufacturing might and the ingenuity of the A.I. company DeepSeek. At the same time, they are lamenting aging infrastructure and cumbersome regulations in the United States, and an economy that can’t seem to make screws or drones, or the machines that manufacture them.Will the new tech lord class, masters of the technofeudal mode of production, desire a revolution against the backwards bourgeois elite class rulers? I think so. The trump/elon debacle proved to them that state power can't be bought, and the coastal elites keep proving they're incapable of making the decisions necessary to be competitive globally. China is everything a tech lord dreams of and more. with that being said I don't think the tech lords will start seriously considering a revolution until America enters a war economy and is bogged down in a global conflict
https://archive.ph/St5H8 >>2535011The techfag revolution is already underway.
>>2534914You can usually replace ground beef with ground chicken for these things. It'll still taste like sodium, regardless
>>2535011digital platforms amplify the contradictions of capitalism, they do not solve them. so no, these tech fags will greedily harvest monopoly rents while the productive economy keeps fading into oblivion.
>>2535022rip new jersey and chicago lol
>>2535025tech lord power+wealth is directly proportional to the amount of foreigner users its extracting personal data from. the elite capitalist bourgeoise, in their efforts to keep the global hierarchy in check, keep fucking up relationships with other countries directly impacting the tech lords wallet. that's no bueno
How the fuck are we at the stage where the government accounts are posting Little Dark Age fashwave edits and yet it’s still business as usual?
>>2535035the media's in on the fascism and normal people can't do anything about it besides complain on reddit
>>2535046this guy and his gang beat up spanish speakers on the subway he needs to stfu
>>2535044Thankfully we here at leftypol are anything but normal
>>2535034Democratic rally in 2026
Who knew that supporting Ukraine means that you become Ukraine
>>2535046of course the cracker has no problem inflicting violence on random people but draws the line at a hecking doggo getting shocked
>Under orders from President Donald Trump, the FBI has started visiting the homes of innocent protesters
>Special-needs teacher Miles Serafini, 26, was watching a movie with his roommate when the FBI knocked on his door in suburban Tucson, Arizona last Friday. Two special agents greeted him, introducing themselves only as “James” and “Keith.” They didn’t offer their own last names, but they knew Miles’ — as well as his home address, his social media handles, what car he owns, and, unbeknownst to him, his political activities.
plan accordingly
>>2535060What is to be done besides not talking about politics online in any capacity though? I don't think Tor or VPNs will be much avail
>>2535060was he arrested or did they just talk/intimidate him?
>>2535062I think they're going after people protesting IRL. this guy probably got his face scanned by the feds and connected it to a social media account
>Leaked Amazon Plans Say Robots Will Help It Avoid Hiring 600,000 Workers
>The e-commerce giant’s automation team reportedly plans to automate 75% of company operations.
Oh I say you can say.
>>2535051more like russia, get ready for the nazsocdem revolution
>>2535007cute bingo. im studyin
>>2535072so whats Porkys plan for when nobody has a job to buy things porky is selling
>>2535076oh they'll give people jobs, but only after many die, and they'll just be for literal subsistence pod living wages
>>2535076Indentured servitude
>>2535076escape to space on rockets and launch the nukes
>>2535079people dying drives up wages doe
>>2535081Nah, in the short term they'll all move to climate-controlled hubs and leave the 90% of us outside to work and die while 9% get to come with them but only as their direct servants. Later, they'll just turn Earth into one giant corporate factory while they take space elevators up to casino-hotel hubs in orbit. After most of us die, 90% of the survivors will be enslaved on Earth, 9% will be enslaved in space, and the 1% will be just fine.
>>2535086this is basically the setup to a scifi story i'm worldbuilding
>>2535076Unironically there was a conversation between Jon Stewart, Obama, and Jeff Bezos where Bezos basically said he imagines the “jobs of the future” are gonna be like Uber but just for the ultra-wealthy. You’ll download the app and do errands for rich people: deliver them shit, clean their homes, take care of their kids, etc.
Stewart was pretty much horrified about it.
>>2535085Correct, and this is fundamentally how capitalism can resolve the issue. Automation creates a surplus population. Kill off part of the population, let the remainder benefit from increased consumption. Repeat.
>>2535091I think all remaining labor (if any) will consist of making luxiries directly for porkies instead of making consumable mass market commodities (because no proles can afford to buy anything)
>>2535094Capitalism needs the surplus population though, that way the workers employed don’t have leverage
>>2535098The ultra wealthy still need to mass produce commodities to keep their wealth and continuously build it
>>2535098Probably, yeah. But who knows, we might see a catastrophic collapse where no one wins.
>>2535099Sure, it won't always kill off everyone. It's about chasimg a moving target. As long as the population is slowly dying off but not faster than the rate of automatipn is capable of replacing them, the working class will simply automate itself out of existence and then you get communism for the rich
>>2535102they won't need wealth, just the login codes to the robot factories.
>>2535094lots of things wrong with this but most importantly it doesn't solve the issue of expensive wages which is the whole reason to automate in the first place
>>2535098They'll still make commodities but the majority will probably be reduced to a barter/favors economy with money serving as a supplement if they're "lucky" enough to have access to it (rather than as the main tool of exchange). Either that or we retain usage of money, but the bourgeoisie switch to a different unit of exchange which becomes the premium unit and money being a legacy tool with an uneven exchange (that is, money becomes the new scrip).
I think what a lot of people get wrong about the bourgeoise is that they don't want people dead. dead people neither make shit nor buy shit. they want you alive but in as much poverty as they can thrust upon you. there's no future where the they benefit from straight up gassing workers
>>2535107 Because it's not something that actuallyIS solved by automation otherwise the global wage markets would be the inverse of what they're at now. Highly automated countries should have very low wages, but they don't.
>>2535108There’s no alternative to fiat for the currency, crypto mostly functions as a value store, it’s way too clumsy and cumbersome and unstable to be even a limited mode of exchange between the ultra wealthy, they’d probably trade shares for shares anyway
Treats stauts?
>>2535115I just had chinese take out, it was pretty good
>>2535111It's not about them directly gunning us down, but rather indirectly squeezing enough value out of most people such that only just enough survive to keep reproducing the method of exchange and ensure that their profits continue to rise. In essence, a certain amount of people become superfluous.
>>2535114Yes, but they can introduce another premium fiat currency that they control more tightly and which becomes the "true" store of value and allows the rate of profit to rise. Imagine these memecoins but with the full force of capitalist state capture and monopolized distribution behind it, with technological IDs being the enforcement tool.
>>2535120i'm going to do that, good call. fuck cooking we are all treatlerites now.
>>2535112What I'm saying is the reason why they automate isn't to drive down wages, they remain high, but instead to drive down the total amount of money they spend on labor. Wages take up like 85% of the profits, automation is a cost saving measure
>>>2535120 (me)
>i'm going to do that, good call. fuck cooking we are all treatlerites now.
honestly though getting chinese food is probably cheaper than buying food and cooking a meal after electricity too. Chinese is the proletarian treatlerite meal.
>>2535128It’s way better than the other fast food options, I don’t know how people would prefer to spend that same 30-40 on McDonald’s, it’s just not worth it
>>2535051>>2535073I know people here hate Platner because he was a troop, but the past remarks in question were:
>Fight until you get tired of fighting with words and then fight with signs, and fists, and guns if need be.>an armed working class is a requirement for economic justice>Get Armed, Get Organized. The Other Side Sure As Hell Is.Along with comments where he called himself a communist and said that all cops are bastards.
So, I hope you will agree, hardly an indication of growing approval of Nazism.
>>2535095Born to be a fruity gay man from Stan Twitter.
Forced to be a rightoid grifter debatebro.
>>253513030-40?! that's crazy. For me it's like a little under 10. I take it back, this is not proletarian.
>>2535128idk man you can get a lot out of a rotisserie chicken, assorted vegetables, spices and home cooked rice
>>2535123a superfluous population is a revolutionary population. even unemployed laborers have a purpose
>>2535140To feed 3 people that’s what you’re paying
>>2535126The issue is there is no labor intensive new industry to put the excess labor supply into. The ai drive is explicitly an attempt to simultaneously automate not only its own industry sector but every other sector as well. It will, eventually, push on the limits of how capitalist economy fundamentally works. At this point they can shift to more direct methods of getting their way before they have enough automation under their belts they don't need society anymore
>>2534831At what point did BadEmpenada (and you apparently) forget that the United States has a two party system?
There will NEVER be a viable third party. Ever. What you can hope for is a party that completely destroys one of the two big parties and, in doing so, replaces them. You can have a "party" in the sense of something intended to be an organization of all socialists, but this will just wind up looking like the DSA.
>>2535144fair enough, i thought you meant for one, lol. idk how much mcdonalds costs so it sounded realistic.
I would like to give a shout out to the greatest who ever did it, stir-fried beansprouts.
>>2535150The only way out is through progressive military coup, problem is it’s a volunteer mercenary army that filters out the charismatic and the creative
>>2535150The point at which you need to read Marx about setting up workers' parties
>>2535154Again, you cannot get that off the ground in the US
>>2535157anything is possible nowadays my guy
>>2534753Well, you could have people infiltrate the military like most agitation was done.
>>2535150I mean there’s been multiple attempts to set up independent socialist parties, but the problem is that they usually collapse in on themselves.
The CPUSA lost legitimacy by basically being stooges for whatever Moscow wanted. Trotskyist parties split over unimportant interpretations of dogma or political events. And then the rest do radical posturing that doesn’t actually appeal to people’s day to day lives.
>>2535148they'll always rely on society to exploit. without society they are nothing
After a certain point even if you’re the only one alive, living paranoid and in a bunker just sucks. What are they gonna do when they still feel awful AND the world is ashes?
>>2535160Anything bad is possible
>>2535162no third party can have electoral success. a "party" as in a paramilitary insurgent organization, sure.
>>2535171The FBI is gonna infiltrate you, kill you, and make it look like either an accident or your own fault
>>2535169it's weird to think about what the bourgeoisie value. like being the last one alive in a pile of ashes. congratulations? i think it's only the abstract satisfaction of "winning" that drives them.
>>2535157 What do you even mean "get off the ground"?
Do you think the purpose of the worker's party is winning electoral victories?
>>2535171But if we can't even get a majority via an electoral success, how could we get a majority through a violent insurgency (directly destabilizing someone's perceived "way of life" is an easy way to make them hate you, especially with all the capitalism propaganda blaming you for their problems)? Even ignoring the logistics of warfare, how could such an insurgency even maintain control of the population to be able to implement change without resorting to terror and surveillance, simply repeating the mistakes of so-called "AES" states?
>>2535174as per our previous discussion, we can only infiltrate the military when they start the draft, and that can only happen when america gets too bogged down in too many foreign adventures.
>>2535163When they're able to get a basically fully automated ship built to lounge in that comes from drones that casually rip through the bodies of the deprived masses who own no lights out manufacturing networks they really won't.
>>2535176If you can’t even get elected to school boards how are you gonna show your party is serious about improving people’s lives? Food drives? You don’t spawn in with police no go zones
>>2535154Could you summarize?
>>2535177we can't have a third party specifically due to FPTP tactical "lesser evil" voting. insurgency comes with a whole host of its own problems though.
>>2535183True. Maybe the DSA focusing on "minor" races and building up legitimacy might improve the situation though, assuming they don't completely surrender to the Demonrats. Whatever their flaws, at least they have some amount of success to show for it.
>>2535179come on, seriously? this is a bit hyperbolic
>>2535187Oh great another forever war.
>>2535177>AES between quotesNGMI
>>2535191good. if i could i'd vote for him thrice.
>>2535171I mean ain’t that what the New Left tried? The weathermen and the like.
I’d say the real issue is that socialism is purely intellectual and academic out here. It’s got no real connection to the domestic working class, it interfaces with it just to say some shit like “football is fascist actually”. It can’t even honestly promise to make peoples lives better in some material way, just draft you into some self-sacrificial martyrdom when you’re busy worrying about bills.
I bet Platner is sad he will miss out on the latam action
>>2535186For right now, yes. But were don't think only about "right now". Marx suggesred capitalism would collapse within his lifetime, as he got older he realized it might take a lot longer but saw it as an eventual inevitability. All I'm saying is the 'eventual inevitability' might be a very ugly one if we, the working class, don't intervene.
Seeing where we came from with the first real punch card reading computers were in the early 20th century, giving this timeline another century, maybe two, of progress towards such a bad-end automation is probably not too unreasonable. We're already a long way towards such nightmarish issues as automated identification and elimination.
>>2535182>>2535181I would strongly suggest first the read Marx meme ( and seriously just ask deepseek about where to look for info on how the worker's party is comprised) but also start asking how you can recruit, educate, and attract others. Providing food can win favor quickly, but also acting in the political system for others (petitions and drives, what have you) as well as helping people with labor issues and the like (Union pushing, etc). This is part of people on here saying the "legal and illegal tactics" comes in, because if you can provide by hook or by crook you will have unshakable bases.
Electoral races are for you to propagandize and measure your progress. If you get even 3% of the vote you would have made excellent work and could start making actual other pushes, because that 3% are going to be a lot more tightly and actively bound tofether than capitalist parties who see voters as mere ballots.
>>2535188>for "state rights">then ban RCV>not even the states's local municipals to opt in independently>mostly likely then complains about the federal government, including it's overreach there's just opting in there own federal government block at this point
>>2535208For consideration, if I recall, one of the things that the party did in Vietnam to prove worth was 'poviding' silverware to rural peasants from city markets, and it rather suggested they were stealing it regularly.
>>2535214Helping New Yorkers jump the turnstile could be our equivalent
>>2535215Getting people shoplifted food at the food bank lines with tucked-in communist lit is probably a really good thing to do this November if snap falls through
>>2535220I’ve had a few thanksgivings/christmases where I’ve delivered bags of food to low-wage service workers (guys at the dollar tree, McDonalds, etc.) and have thrown some pamphlets in there now and then. Might do it again this year. The benefit of doing it around Christmas time is you can wear one of those big fake Santa beards and hat as at least a limited way of obscuring your identity.
This year I was thinking of handing out blankets to the homeless, but I dunno if I’d be able to get them for cheap.
>>2535229Hand out spirits, cigarettes and firearms
>>2535177>But if we can't even get a majority via an electoral successThey rig the elections. They’re rigged.
Rigged. Set up. For over a hundred years. In a multitude of different ways.
>>2535178I don’t know why so many fucking leftists have boners for the military. You’re not infiltrating jack. You are dealing with and scrutinizing heavily outflow from the military, especially with how Pete Hegseth is banging it up from the inside.
>>2535183>insurgency comes with a whole host of its own problems though.You don’t have a choice. You don’t have any other options at this point. Prepare for inevitable confrontation or be destroyed by the enemy.
>>2535173>The FBI is gonna infiltrate you, kill you, and make it look like either an accident or your own faultThe FBI is currently at it’s most incompetent, so they stand a better chance than usual. And it’s not like there aren’t ways to avoid having to immediately form a party.
>>2535232I’m on good terms with some of the homeless out here cause I buy them beer every now and then, actually.
>>2535251Sorry Marge but the treatlerite taxpayer money WILL go to the global south, this is the price of internationalism
>>2535255we should give it to Venezuela instead of Argentina by that logic
>>2535255ArgenSSimians are honorary treatlerites imperialists.
>>2535191Bret Stephens lmfao
just one of the worst of the worst
consistently defending every US foreign policy decision, every US domestic policy decision. Just a giant crybaby bourgeois bedbug who loves the war on drugs, loves the war on terror, loves the criminalization of the poor for existing. I hate him so much.
>>2535095could transitioning have saved her?
>>2535272Leninism is a tendency, not foundational
Hope long before there’s a straight up Second Boston Massacre courtesy of the illiterates at ICE?
>>2535135>consider his words from his last 4 years where he planned to start running for political office, not his actions from 2001-2021no
>>2535034be honest how mad are you that the Zionist is losing even after attempting to slander her opponent with fucking reddit posts lmao.
>>2535282I told you to go ahead and vote for your blackwater merc who spend the better part of 20 years doing everything Israel and America wanted in the middle east, but that I will keep criticizing him since I don't live in Maine and will laugh when he turns out to be exactly what his entire life story leading up to his astroturfed change of heart indicated he would be.
How did the oligarchs and elites convince the left that allowing anyone to claim asylum (effectively enabling illegal immigration) is somehow good for the working class?
As most people know, Biden’s “catch and release” program essentially allowed anyone who entered the U.S. illegally to stay and receive “pending asylum” status.
As a result, the Biden administration created a backlog of 3,558,995 pending asylum cases plus about 1M refugees given multi year parole (under Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela CHNV program). All these individuals were granted permission to work, which ultimately put downward pressure on wages.
Source:
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12492I think the oligarchs and the super rich got exactly what they wanted: 4.5 million new low-wage workers. And some of them will become even lower-wage workers once their asylum claims are denied.
But how did they convince the left that this doesn’t hurt the working class or suppress wages?
Now the left is fighting ICE to keep people whose asylum claims were denied (meaning they’re in the U.S. illegally). And we all know that these individuals are ideal for the oligarchs because they’ll work for less than minimum wage out of fear of deportation.
How did they make that happen? I know that money from major donors like Bezos, Soros, Mark Cuban, Oprah, and others comes with strings attached (but it’s still not clear exactly how.)
IMPORTANT: Im only talking about this type of immigration
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)>>2535284>Free Chechnya, Kurdistan and TibetHe just lost the multipolarista vote
>>2535284>Free TibetShould have been “most likely to start a color revolution”
>>2535288>>2535289He was in high school btw.
>>2535015>The descent into a new, mutated and technology-focused form of American fascism is already here. Those who have kept track of the rise of the Thielverse, which includes figures such as Peter Thiel, Elon Musk and JD Vance, have understood that an agenda to usher in a unique form of authoritarianism has been slowly introduced into the mainstream political atmosphere.
>Whitney Webb, investigative journalist and author of One Nation Under Blackmail, joins host Chris Hedges on this episode of The Chris Hedges Report to document the rise of this cabal into the most powerful positions of the American government.
>“I think now it’s quite clear that this is the PayPal Mafia’s moment. These particular figures have had an extremely significant influence on US government policy since January, including the extreme distribution of AI throughout the US government,” Webb explains.
>It’s clear that the architects of mass surveillance and the military industrial complex are beginning to coalesce in unprecedented ways within the Trump administration and Webb emphasizes that now is the time to pay attention and push back against these new forces.
>If they have their way, all commercial technology will be completely folded into the national security state — acting blatantly as the new infrastructure for techno-authoritarian rule. The underlying idea behind this new system is “pre-crime,” or the use of mass surveillance to designate people criminals before they’ve committed any crime. Webb warns that the Trump administration and its benefactors will demonize segments of the population to turn civilians against each other, all in pursuit of building out this elaborate system of control right under our noses. >>2535285>IMPORTANT: Im only talking about this type of immigrationNo you're not.
>>2535290Well, yeah, he matured a little bit politically and got a Nazi tattoo.
>>2535271Nobody's getting anything other than austerity and militarism from Senator Blackwater McNazi.
>>2535297The one constant throughout his life is supporting US foreign policy.
>>2535272Where did anyone at all say this
>>2535282>muh yearbook high school anecdote is more relevant than 4 tours of duty volunteering to help destroy countries that didn't attack America, followed by a stint as a mercenary for one of the most disreputable mercenary companies on the planet that had a heavy hand in several war crimes. When Iraqis rightfully hung blackwater mercs for committing war crimes in Fallujah, the US military responded by surrounding the city and slaughtering every "military aged male" and brutalizing other civilians who sought refuge behind US lines, an action he directly took part in and remains proud of.
>Muh yearbook tho!>Muh astroturfed change of heart before running for office tho!>Muh other zionist tho>Muh "all you have are reddit comments" lie!Less than 0.8% of the population joins the marine corps, let alone does 4 tours of duty and then becomes a mercenary.
Go ahead and VOOT for the "lesser" evil like you always do assuming you even live in Maine and aren't just weirdly attached to simping for this guy with zero criticism. Just stop pretending you know the future. He's probably lying about his change of heart like all politicians with a dark past do. This isn't some working class guy like he pretends to be with his duck dynasty corporate redneck aesthetics. This is a career soldier who became a small business owner and is now having an astroturfed "outsider" campaign running on the fumes of what marketing analysts think workers like.
I hope he wins and I
hope he proves me wrong. Go ahead and
voot. But let me criticize without all this whining. Don't demand uncritical and unconditional support and instant trust from people rightly disgusted with his career of voluntary imperialism.
>>2535311Just like Zionists, Hitlerites dare only to fight women, children and the elderly.
>>2535309He is unironically to the left of Platner.
>>2535326>>2535309i like him, he is against invading venezuela.
>>2535309If it wasn't for Ron Paul, I'd never be a communist.
>>2535309wtf i thought this guy was dead
anyway he's a cuck so whatev
>>2535330>anyway he's a cuck so whatevplatnercel detected
ron paul mogs your gyno riddled spook
>>2535309It is amusing that Ron Paul seems consistently more anti-interventionist than "democratic socialists" who were endosed by the DSA.
>>2535341Communist narco empire
>>2535341amn, didn't this guy do the jfk film? I thought he was basically allright, if a bit of a kook.
>>2535344i reckon america is focous-group ran like the rest of our OECD countries but the focous-groups instead of being full of PMC's it's just copies of this woman.
>>2535346Oliver Stone is the director, different guy
>>2535346Roger Stone is a bourgeois reactionary sicko with a Nixon tattoo on his back who loves letting muscular guys fuck his wife and spent a good part of his wife raping girls with his best friends Trump and Jeffrey.
Oliver Stone is the guy who directed the JFK movie
>>2535365if america was actually a benevolent socialist regime then that kind of interventionism would be more acceptable
>>2535369why isnt there a soyjak version already ffs
>>2535311Just watched it. He didn’t even grab the woman that originally kicked him out
Won't someone think of the poor heckin brown oppressed fishermen and their submarines and speedboats :((USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>2535374Too late the artisanal soyjak makers were replaced by LLM, I warned you about that bro, I told you
>>2535358> a Nixon tattoo I'm honestly surprised it got worse after this.
Absalompilled+not based + uncooked+unchopped
Death to ameriKKKAa.
>>2535358>Nixon tattoo.the most despised president of the 20th century, is his icon. may as well tattoo a swastika and it'd make no difference.
>>2535397 (me)
BurgerAI trying to psyop me. I know what yous are up to.
>>2535402why are abrahamoids so sex obsessed?
>>2535405Because they're obsessed with ownership.
>>2535304fuck platner, but nobody here is gonna make me dislike Zohran
>>2535400>the most despised president of the 20th century, is his iconmore than reagan?
My plan for most of my adult life is no prospects, train like a soldier, be a guerilla and destroy the place from within for the sake of the people around me but honestly more importantly the savagery it has wrought on the entire globe.
I hate this place so much, I hate what is going on right now especially, and I hate the people who are doing it. I am blackpilled though, it seems so daunting and the appetite for complete overthrow seems lacking, and to be quite frank: this shit scares me sometimes. I want out of the country, where should I even go?
>>2535415I wish I could go to MENA but many of the countries are war-ravaged, or heavily uses slave labor. I had considered going to the West Bank, maybe now is the time, but I fear things will just keep escalating there.
>>2535415but you wont though.
And that's probably for the better, no man is an army, build a social network focus on deepening the bonds you have made.
>I want out of the country, where should I even go?If you want to be helpful, go to Venezuela.
>>2535135>I hope you will agree, hardly an indication of growing approval of Nazism.It's not, but a totenkopf tattoo and support of Azov (before whitewashing) are. Genuinely why is this glowie astroturfed so hard ITT. He's in a minor state senate race that isn't even likely to swing democrat unless people in Maine like straight up nazis more than moderate republicans.
>>2535425> Genuinely why is this glowie astroturfed so hard ITT.Because it's topic-of-the-week on Twitter, /USAPol/ is
extremely downstream of Twitter.
>>2535425>He's in a minor state senate race there are a fixed # of senators nationwide so there's no such thing
>that isn't even likely to swing democratif he's actually popular he has a chance since collins sucks
>>2535428Honestly you're better off contacting local on the ground churches or charities who already do this stuff, your time+labour or your money is going to go further that way instead of doing it solo.
>>2535423thank you. I have a small network going, but i have reservations about some of it, though I have definitely met some good comrades over the past few years.
>>2535359>>2535327>>2535338Didn’t he vote for emergency appropriations and the use of force in Afghanistan after the September 11th attacks? Lolberts when push comes to shove inevitably cuck out
>>2535399>Adolf Platner.pngsaved
>>2535438i vaguely remember he was opposed but in a legal sense that congress had no right to invade and tinstead the US government should have labelled al qaida as privateers or pirates
>The issue of marque and reprisal was raised before Congress after the September 11 attacks[43] and again by Congressman Ron Paul on July 21, 2007. The attacks were defined as acts of "air piracy" and the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 was introduced, which would have granted the president the authority to use letters of marque and reprisal against the specific terrorists, instead of warring against a foreign state. The terrorists were compared to pirates in that they are difficult to fight by traditional military means honkoid status?
>>2535445This would have been so based. Instead of airstriking Afghanis just feeding lolberts with Master and Commander delusions to Al Qaeda.
>>2535459
Honestly you just have to treat them like people and you're above 99% of burgers. My friend talks to the homeless outside his workplace and he's never harassed meanwhile ivory tower libs constantly seethe about how dangerous the area is and call for total homeless genocide on our local subreddit. The most he's ever gifted was an old pair of glasses to a guy with a similar prescription who got beat up and broke his.
>>2535461consider power banks too
>>2535399pigga peil platner
pigga peil platner
all my piggas patsocs pigga
pigga peil platner
>>2535402>the most likely story being confused is<proceeds to say the exact thing it previously said isn't in the biblelmfao
>>2535461Oh yea, it's good to be on the good side of your areas homeless and lumpen and etc, definitely, in that respect showing some humanity, as they are systematically denied it through their daily life, is just as key as the giving itself. Box of clean needles is probably a good shout (very cheap online) if you don't have good drug services in your locale.
>>2535365George Washington also called it a nascent empire.
>>2535309Ron Paul's anti-war sentiments are real but very ideologically limtied. Same with his son. I remember his son complaining about the GWOT not because it destroyed the lives of the people in the targeted countries, but because AMERICANS were having their BLOOD and TREASURE spilled over there. Leave it to a lolbertarian to turn blood and soil into blood and treasure. I guess that's what the yellow is for.
>>2535390May the brave Chavista warriors of Venezuela slaughter the burgerreich invaders
>>2535472it's slow apologism.
<they're just stories and even if metaphor we reject the old testament anyways, this is why jesus came and gave us blah blah blah.>ummm akshulay it's all just metaphor.<you see, it technically wasn't rape, it was sexual assault. ←– You are here>it was a different time, things were just different back then.<things were better back then.>they were his property for him to do as he willed.<If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that. >>2535399What a burgerous reich
full of fries and drone strikes
That is circling all 'round the sun
What a beautiful thing
when I bomb a wedding
In a blink of an eye the bride's gone from meeeeee
soft and sweet
Let me hold the flag close and keep it here
with meeeeeeeeeeeee
And one day we will die
and the nukes we will ride
From the aeroplane over the sea
just like Major Kong
in the Kubrick's flick about The Bomb
And count every beautiful thing we can see
Love to beeeeeeeeeeeeee
In the arms of all I'm keeping here with meeeeeee
>>2535415>I am blackpilled thoughMAGA is creating the conditions for revolution and you are blackpilled?
>>2535492I mean a collapse, sure, but I think revolution is a stretch.
>>2535504Marx was a ameriboo for a reason
>>2535497other way around
>>2535507matt christman jokes that had he actually been allowed to move to texas like he wanted to, he would have been hung by confederates at the Nueces Massacre
Welp, snapped at a customer while I was off the clock in my uniform.
Might get written up by management. Gotta love the entitlement of Karens.
>>2535511When are you going to start People's Temple 2.0?
>>2535518let me guess, Karen said
working hard or hardly working with a smug face.
>>2535516
what are your actual opinions. stop snarkposting like a shartyteen with antisocial personality disorder
>>2535526soyGODs dont post like that, he is most likely a /pol/tard or a groyper
>>2535524Nah. My car broke down after my shift so I was waiting at the store for the mechanic to get there. In the break room. Decided to leave a few minutes early in case he gets here early—I’m already out $200+ because I found out my membership expired (card change) and had to pay an “early use fee” on the new one. Might end up paying anywhere from $200-$400 additionally depending on if it’s my battery or starter.
As I’m leaving some lady’s all
>”Do you have shallots?”And I say
<“Oh I’m sorry miss, I’m off the clock, but my coworker over there can help you.”It’s literally an employee just a couple feet away. She rolls her eyes and snaps
>”Oh a simple ‘yes or no’ would’ve been fine!”I’m at my wits end at this point so I just walk up to her
<“Hi a simple yes or no?”>”Yeah!”<“Yeah I’m off the clock.”>”WHATS YOUR NAME?!” >>2534577now it needs some slot machines and a gentlemen's club
>>2535539I've had this problem before too. For some reason "I'm off the clock" makes custies go berserk.
>>2535539If we weren't talking about the people of the pooping in the veggie isles and pissing on the subway I'd say that customers get that way because they're already ridiculously stressed to even bother someone else with their silly questions
>In December 2006, the Seminole Tribe of Florida acquired Hard Rock International for $965 million. This was a landmark deal, as it marked the first time a Native American tribe had acquired a major international corporation.
>What they own: The acquisition included the Hard Rock Cafe, Hard Rock Hotel, and Casino locations, as well as the massive, world-famous collection of music memorabilia.
tribes dropping a billion dollars on multinational asset acquisitions leads me to believe they're not as bad off as one is led to believe
>>2535539later on she sees you with your broken down car in the parking lot and posts it to r/instantkarma
<this wage slave talked back to me and god smote his car >>2535560It really depends on which tribes and where, but there are definitely some that are transitioning to some kind of ethno corporatism.
>>2535564
I can see that. where can I learn more on how to differentiate the two?
>>2535539what do you think about the customers that come in like 5 minutes before closing time
>>2535562
what a weird post. division of labor is inherent to capitalism so people will have different skill sets. not everyone knows how to do everything because they're made to focus on a small set of things relevant to their job.
>>2535569this is the most treatler thing I'll say, but I miss when wal mart was 24 hours before covid. going at 3am instead of 6pm is convenient for people with weird sleep schedules. it doesn't even make sense that they don't do that anymore because they replaced all the cashiers with self checkout. you think they could at least keep it open 24/7
>>2535570Only the treatlerite doordashes their own mechanic
>>2535539was she that unpolite at beginning? not one single "g'day"? "howdy"?
I'd say you should have been more incisive, without losing your shit after the
>Oh a simple ‘yes or no’ would’ve been fine!like
<a simple good day, can you help me would've been fine! >>2535559I think there's an element of truth to it. The customer/employee relationship is one of the few areas of an american prole's life where they have any actual control, and for a wage slave to tell them off just sends them ballistic.
It's really bizarre to see, especially when truly awful behavior really isn't warranted. A friend of mine used to work at McDonald's as a manager, and it seems like the lower the stakes and the more servile the workers, the more people just go off.
Like, a person orders and it comes out wrong. What's official policy? Tell them and they'll just make you a new one, no charge. They might even throw in extra shit just to apologize for it. It's the furthest thing from a big deal that you can find.
But some people will throw a fit. A full on tantrum, right there in the store, in front of other adults. They'll scream. They'll threaten you. They'll throw food at you. They'll threaten to hop the counter and physically assault you. All because their burger had pickles on it or they got chocolate instead of vanilla or some shit.
American culture makes people insane.
>>2535562
lol nah I’ll just get some lecture from my manager. On record I get the most customer compliments, but keep being a petty bitch Felix.
>>2535539>depending on if it’s my battery or starter.also, damn, brah, like literally, buy a multimeter, and have it in your car. you can easily test if you battery died or not with one multimeter. the cheapest it's like 15 bucks.
>>2535573
you cant change a car battery lol
>>2535552I’ve had coworkers, male coworkers mind you, get their ass grabbed by customers. This isn’t to say that it’s “fine” when females get groped, but rather customers see us as their slaves and our bodies as their property, any reminder that we’re human frustrates them.
>>2535569Annoying but I try to be nice. I’m never upset at idiots, just the intentionally rude.
>>2535563Honestly if I had to deal with her in the parking lot I would’ve lost my job. Straight up would’ve throttled her at that point. But I’ve got no doubt she saw reporting me as her Rosa Parks moment.
Either way, got some help from AAA, was a bad clamp on the battery. Easy fix.
>>2535588
>my own car
Petty booj blue blood labor aristocrat
>>2535588
hey look guys it Mr. "I cant change a battery own my own car" LMAO
Evan all this prolier-than-thou shit rings so hollow because we all saw you post a cum tribute in the Ukraine thread, you are a permanently a ridiculous person as a consequence
>>2535591
What? With the spare battery and toolkit I don’t have? Felix you used your brain dead mom as an excuse to get yourself an Amazon Alexa, I don’t care.
>>2535597What the unholy fuck
>>2535597that's an interesting arrangement. I wonder if they considered the mud and water fucking all over those, specially if they have to drive on flooded areas.
>>2535597what in the holy mother of fuck
how the fuck is that crash-safe
>>2535610
I find that some car companies treat their customers with absolute contempt. but they get protectionist laws, so they don't need to compete with anyone else, and for that reason they do as they please.
>>2534878wow. with his blue eyes and grey hair mixed with bloated jowls and patchy skin he's like an evil david lynch.
the spectacle he's putting on shows a similar genius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKRNJH6RfG0 >>2535604To be honest I just drive an old Toyota, they're workhorses and manageable.
>>2535597They made the exploding car trope in GTA real.
>>2535597gotta be a gm product
>>2535562
even if he had the tools and knowledge, it's not like he would have the tools with him at work, where he is stuck. are you stupid?
So an economic depression in the U.S. is imminent, right? Say, no later than 2026? Or 2027 if you're optimistic. I don't keep up much with current events anymore so you'll have to help a brother out here.
>>2535620Proletarians change their own car battery. They dont waste their paycheck on doordashing a human being to do it for them
>>2535559>If we weren't talking about the people of the pooping in the veggie isles and pissing on the subway I'd say that customers get that way because they're already ridiculously stressed to even bother someone else with their silly questionsFunny enough we have a serial bathroom shitter in our store. As in, a customer that goes into the bathroom just to shit on the floor repeatedly.
I'd say something you learn working customer service long enough is that some people are just crazy or sadists looking to get off on putting the screws on whoever they can.
Had a dude literally escalate a complaint to the regional manager because he was a schizo off his meds and imagined I kept him waiting for 40 minutes. Had another dude threaten to shank me because he was "owed" free beer (because our manager caught him shoplifting booze the day before and escorted him out), had one lady threaten to shoot up the store because we'd been warned in advance she commits check fraud. Had a lady yell at a bagger 'cause "I DON'T WANT SPICS BAGGING MY GROCERIES!" (the dude was Italian-American).
I swear, this will sound like woo-woo, but you can see the problem customers just by looking in their eyes. They have a look, one where it's just total contempt. They're
looking for something to complain about. Had one that sighed when we put a case of water in the middle of his basket, asked him three times if he wanted us to move it, we said repeatedly we'd be happy too. He was "No, no, it's fine. I said it's fine." End of the transaction?
>"Just for future reference: SOME customers couldn't get it out of the middle of the basket!"<"I mean I can move it for you.">"Oh no, I can, I'm saying some other customers can't."<"Yeah well just for future reference those customers usually accept us offering to move it for them. Have a nice day." >>2535622I know you've never seen them before so you don't know, but a tool kit fits easily inside a car trunk.
>>2534943well, I could imagine a counter-pushback from burgers stating that brits have kings. it'd be funny, though.
>>2535583Oh, sorry missed your reply. Thanks man, I'm home right now and just decompressing after the work day. I'll probably pick one of those up tomorrow; it'll be my day off and I was planning on fixing one of my break lights anyways.
>>2535571same, i don't have a weird sleep schedule (usually) but i work long hours and most stores are already closed by the time i get off work
>>2535587>Annoying but I try to be nice. I’m never upset at idiots, just the intentionally rude.pretty reasonable although sometimes i wonder what leads them to believe it won't mostly be leftovers at that time of the day
i need a new phone wjat do i get on the cheaper side
>>2535638something chinese obviously, that way you can help the real movement
>>2535639ok yeah that would be cool but I cant spend four digits on a phone
>BERNIE: “If you don’t have any borders, you don’t have a nation.” “Trump did a better job. I don’t like Trump, but we should have a secure border. It ain’t that hard to do. Biden didn't do it.”
>>2535641He's right but for the wrong reasons
>>2535637>pretty reasonable although sometimes i wonder what leads them to believe it won't mostly be leftovers at that time of the dayEhhh at least a couple of them seem to be I think some kind of inoffensive antisocial types that just don't want to deal with any of them. There's one dude that shows up the same time every evening just before closing, buys about the same groceries, wears the same clothes, and he's really polite and bags his own groceries but barely talks to anyone. Others are people just getting off work and stuff.
I've become kind of zen about that. Especially 'cause we stay anywhere from an hour to two hours after we close to fix everything up. The only time I was ever disturbed was when I felt a guy tapping my shoulder something like 45 minutes after we closed (right before my shift was over) with a full cart of groceries asking where stuff was. We thought all the customers had left the store after we closed and I guess he was just… in the bathroom for nearly an hour?
>>2535635https://www.amazon.com/AstroAI-Digital-Multimeter-Voltage-Tester/dp/B01ISAMUA6/ref=sr_1_6one like this.
I use mine removing the multimeter battery after each use, because I don't battery leakage ruining the multimeter. If you want to do that, keep a screwdriver with you, so you can open the battery compartment.
follow the damn instructions. mostly you want to see if you have the amps. you can have the voltage, but the sparks are ignited by amps. if the amps are low, battery's dead or dying. if amps are ok, check voltage, if voltage is low, it might be some rust on the battery terminals or the cable clamps, which you could solve by cleaning with some wiper.
There is a huge pro Israel billboard on a building near my house with an Israel flag and free the hostages bs
>>2535641SSanders sisters…
>>2535643>all the customers had left the store after we closed and I guess he was just… in the bathroom for nearly an hour?spending 24 hours in a closed store challenge (no clickbait)
>>2535646Yeah, the dude at AAA said it was mostly one clamp that was acting up and that I could solve most of the rust using a homemade solution including baking powder. Still, after dealing with customer horseshit all day, I just wanted to get home and relax.
>>2535662Buddy was cleaning the bathrooms just before we closed and found a dude almost ODing on Heroin in there. We found a broken crack pipe in the trash in one of them, too.
South American treatlerites now are experiencing what those in the middle East experienced for years. Their air space treats are now gone
>>2535661They mean "privatizing" it
>>2535661 (me)
>China Mission Center for reference:
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/10/g-s1-41765/cia-china-israel-russia-hamas
>So we [Biden, Burns; in 2021] formed a new China mission center, the only single-country mission center that we have at this agency. We've tripled the budget at [the] CIA for the China target across the whole CIA. It's now about 20 percent of the overall CIA budget. […] So, it's a reflection of the fact that we realize the challenge ahead. And this is one of those moments of, I think, revolutionary change on the international landscape with intense major power competition with China and with Russia, but also a revolution in technology, unlike anything we've seen since the Industrial Revolution. What that means for us at [the] CIA, and has meant over the last four years, is that we have to begin to revolutionize the practice of intelligence.daaaamn boyo, they lost all that money. down the toilet.
>>2535661I will now uncritically believe the CIA and the new york times because it is convenient
>>2535629When I worked at Kohls we had someone that would call just to listen to the female employees talk on the phone. Another would come in and piss on the changing room floor. One time I went in to clean and someone had jizzed on the mirror.
>>2535661I can tell this is true because it's been made public
>>2535630you're just being mean for the sake of it. not everyone owns their own car or got taught mechanical skills by their dad or uncle or whoever. not everyone even has a person who was present in their lives to teach them traditionally male skill sets like car repair. I've done a lot of outdoor "man" work and indoor "woman" work but not car mechanic work. you're just picking a skill set that you were lucky enough to receive training in and acting like it's prerequisite to being a "real" worker. It would be like if a nurse insulted you for not knowing hot to put a catheter in. I had people in my family who lived in the city and took buses or taxis everywhere. Despite being workers, why would they necessarily know car stuff, and even if they had a car why would they buy and carry around a tool kit they aren't trained to use instead of just paying for repair services when they need it?
>>2535673Yeah, I interviewed for Sears once and that was one of the positions they were trying to hire for. We had a dude that would always ask for carry outs and specifically request female employees to do it (we caught on and started only sending males to him) but yeah, fucking freaks.
>>2535628>proletarians never get help from each other>not even training>they're all born with all skill sets and can do everything by themselves>proletarians cut their own hair>proletarians make their own clothes >proletarians grow and cook their own food>proletarians change their own diapers when they're babies>if you get any help from other proles you're basically doordashing a slaveok retard i fucking hate this god damn place it's all bait and stupid "joking not joking" bullshit
>>2535675I can change my own battery, but I never do because it's just easier to take it to autozone, buy a new one, let them install it, then take the old one for recycling. Otherwise I have to make a whole other trip across the city to the one place that takes them. Same with changing my oil. Yeah, I could do it myself in theory, but it would be stupid to.
>>2535681It's Felix, he's a malignant narcissist who looks for reasons to be a shithead. He contradicts himself all the time.
>>2535681I wish we had mods that gave a damn
>>2535672What is there to believe? That the US has no leverage over China? That they're scaling back espionage efforts against China? That they already lost?
This is all pretty common knowledge to the point the average MAGA would tell you the same thing based entirely off what he hears from Fox News.
>>2535682>I can change my own battery, but I never do because it's just easier to take it to autozone, buy a new one, let them install it, then take the old one for recycling.But how do you get the car to autozone if the battery is dead?
I don't have car skills, but swapping out the battery is easy. You just loosen two or three nuts. I always forget which order (+) (-) to disconnect and reconnect the cables though and have to look it up.
>>2535688>But how do you get the car to autozone if the battery is dead? Usually a helpful prole will jump your car by connecting your batteries in parallel until it has a sufficient charge to turn over.
>>2535661>between 2010 and 2012 the cia's informants were wiped outLol I remember when that happened. Western rags called it an "anti corruption crackdown" and framed it as tyrannical grip tightening by the evil commies.
>>2535690This angle would assume China gets its intelligence info from random Twitter journalists, which it doesn't.
I imagine China is well aware of the espionage situation in their own borders.
>>2535690>U.S. Government>becoming ineffectualThat tracks
>>2535687Strategic sequencing.
>BERNIE: “If you don’t have any borders, you don’t have a nation.” “Trump did a better job. I don’t like Trump, but we should have a secure border. It ain’t that hard to do. Biden didn't do it.”
🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀
Trying to act all right-wing adjacent to win over MAGA voters is the dumbest strategy ever. Democrats keep missing the plot like it’s a bad Netflix reboot. MAGA folks aren’t out here worshiping Trump because they read his policy white papers. Half of them couldn’t even tell you what his actual policies are. They love the vibe. They love the defiance, the spectacle, the “I say what I want and don’t care who’s mad” energy. It’s performance politics, not governance. It’s punk rock cosplay for people who hate being told they’re the bad guys.
And meanwhile, Democrats keep thinking, “If we just sound a little tougher on immigration, or throw in some conservative buzzwords, maybe they’ll come around.” No, boo. MAGA isn’t about the message. It’s about the attitude. It’s emotional, tribal, cultish. You can’t intellectualize your way into that kind of loyalty. It’s the political version of a toxic relationship. All chaos, no logic.
So when Dems try to mimic the tone instead of challenging it, they just end up looking like cheap knockoffs. Why go for "Trump at home" when you have the real Trump?
At this rate, I don’t see the Democrats touching the White House again for a long long time. When Trump waltzes back in 2028 and announces himself as king, it’s not even going to be a shock.
>>2535195maybe while burgers are distracted by vuvuzela iran can give israel another blood nose
>>2535701>Trying to act all right-wing adjacent to win over MAGA voters is the dumbest strategy ever.Are you trolling or just retarded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_army_of_labourThere's nothing MAGA about wanting stricter immigration laws to prevent the disenfranchisement of the American proletariat.
>>2535705i don't know how many times i've tirelessly explained this on here just to get ignored, but "STRICTER MUH GRAYSHIN LAWZ and 200000 TRILLION MORE DOLLARS TO BORDER PATROL AND ICE RACIST HOGS" has never stopped the flow of migration from the periphery to the core
all border patrol does is sell guns to cartels and buys drugs from them
all ICE does is rape latinas in lockdown and sell their children to jeffrey epstein
all "MUH GRAYSHIN LAWZ" does it make migrants into bigger slaves for porky
Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have border humping hogs solved the migration crisis, whose root cause is BURGER REICH FOREIGN POLICY which is to BOMB SANCTION AND COUP every third world country until nobody wants to live there anymore.
you get mad when the flow of cheap commodities to america occasionally contains commodified workers also
>>2535707That's a much more nuanced discussion than suggesting Bernie is pandering to MAGA by promoting stricter migration laws.
Yes, ICE are racist. Yes, border patrol are racist. Yes, MAGA are racist. Yes, the bourgeois will exploit loopholes to get cheap migrant labor and Republicans are fine with it. But none of that invalidates the truth that Socialists do not want unrestricted immigration. We are not looking to brain drain the 3rd world even if we could guarantee only "the good ones" come here. That's just not good left-wing policy. Bernie is closer to an actual Socialist view than many of the retards on this site that innately conflate immigration laws with racism just because of how the American bourgeois wields them.
>>2535705>MAGA just cares about the reserve army of laboryou know they never word it that way and they always talk about muh great replacement, muh white genocide, muh blood and soil nationalism, muh beaners won't learn anglo, etc etc etc
if the reserve army of labor of third world migrants actually dried up the petty bourgeois MAGA kulaks who own all the farms would be fucking pissed
abandon your "MAGA is just confused communists" bullshit and accept they are petty bourgeois racist blood and soil nationalists you dumb retard
>>2535632hm, I want to order something off of doordash
>>2535708pretty sure NYT and WaPo give you popups like this too. But they're all dogshit anon.
>>2535714>the billionaire boer's bot is bigotrymaxxingis anyone surprised?
>>2535710No one said any of this. I'm taking exception to the assertion that Bernie is trying to pander to MAGA by bringing up the same immigration views hes always had and saying Trump was better than Biden on the border issue. That's just a reality. Immigrants didn't like Biden's process either. The idea that America is the world's toilet and anyone can come here to make money is destructive to both the 3rd world and to American workers, and Biden knew this when he openly encouraged people to camp out at the border hoping for asylum instead of telling them to go home like any other sane country. Watch some of those Channel 5 videos on the border to see how unsustainable Biden's "legal" immigration policy was. They had people camping out there for months thinking they'd be let into the country, while not actually processing any immigration requests. The only way to "actually" get in was to go through human traffickers that let you skip that whole process, and none of the people going through that actually enjoyed it.
Trump is just the Bad Cop to the Dems' Good Cop but they both participate in this clusterfuck of an immigration system that just takes advantage of people. Bernie is the only correct take on immigration here: handle it like any other first world country instead of having a 10 year waiting list for "legal" immigrants to force them to go through illegal means.
t. an immigrant
>>2535720>America is the world's toiletconsidering the CIA imports reactionary exiles from all over the world to assist them in their coup plotting, it objectively is the world's toilet, and the only way to stop it from being the world's toilet is to flush the turds out of government with proletarian revolution. the moderate wing of fascism (bernie) is never going to do anything but pander to the prejudices of the "middle class" he laments is no longer as big as it used to be. Social democracy is a movement to pander to the prejudices of the imperial core bourgeoisie. Sanders just panders to the polite petty bourgeois who hide their prejudices behind clever turns of phrase while Trump panders to the impolite petty bourgeois who openly declare their desire to enslave the world to america
>Stephen Miller on Fox threatens to arrest JB Pritzker for "seditious conspiracy" and says, "to all ICE officers: you have federal immunity in the conduct of your duties. And anybody who lays a hand on you or tries to stop or obstruct you is committing a felony."
A private person and “Trump ally” is providing 130 million dollars to cover military wages during the shut down.
>>2535717Shut the fuck up.
>>2535720>t. an immigrantThat doesn’t excuse your trash opinion. it just proves you’re one of those immigrants who wanna slam the door shut behind them once they finally get in.
>>2535727Billionaires are a fucking cancer. I wish nothing but the worst for them.
>>2535725Die burgerreich will balkanize…if they weren't unrepentant
CUXXX >>2535720cryptoradlibs will seethe but you are correct
>>2535728That couldn't be further from the truth. I don't demonize immigrants and I think your simplistic logic is characteristic of liberal brainrot.
Wanting an immigration policy that works and that everyone can understand would benefit immigrants as well. No idea why this is a controversial issue tbh. I feel like the average American has just never gone through the immigration system, they think it really is just "republicans bad" when the reality is dems and reps both ruined the immigration system(deliberately) to make it as nonsensical as possible so they can racialize it and terrorize brown people. Before the 1980's US immigration policy was not overly concerned with latin americans and the issue was not based on "immigrants = brown, americans = white" nonsense that the modern political duopoly frames it as.
>>2535730balkanization is probably the best possible outcome here. more likely it'll just be full blown military occupation and mass genocide.
>>2535736genuinely yes, the US's biggest problem is that it's too big
"from sea to shining sea" has led to the shittiest form of government possible where nothing can get done because every layer is suffering from gridlock and/or corruption
California has a shitton of problems on its own merits but could you IMAGINE how fast they could get shit done if they were getting all that federal tax revenue and didn't have to deal with all three branches of the federal government fucking with them constantly? they would easily rival most of Europe in terms of quality of life
balkanization is the best possible outcome but unfortunately I don't see it happening without a lot of unnecessary bloodshed and suffering
>>2535720>The idea that America is the world's toilet and anyone can come here to make money is destructive to both the 3rd world and to American workersyeah, but it's not caused by immigrants, not caused by the average burger. it's a product of US imperialism:
>exploited people will look other places to prosper.these exploited people are created by bombs, sanctions, wars, sieges, political instability all caused by the US.
>rich bourgeoise will cheapen labor costs off the immigrantswhich are intertwined by the first.
sanders doesn't address any of this, because he doesn't care about the first. he just want a
fairer redistribution of the loot and plunder derived from the imperial activities.
and by aligning with trump, he shows his colors.
>>2535743mostly correct but you're genuinely retarded if you think bernie wouldn't have been way better than biden/trump when it came to relations with central/south america
>>2535693I love their quintessence james bond narrative. they can write up a soap opera out of that. I also remember the article, that emerged in 2012, where, allegedly, some counter-intelligence Chinamen came in and shoot in the head people in front of the others as a warning. Imagine your regular office, with cubicles, and all of that.
like yeah, a place plagued with phones, no one videorecorded that.
straight from tom clancy's imagination.
>>2535747oh, absolutely. democrats/republicans play like the good cop/bad cop duo when it comes to Latin-America. Or like the carrot and the stick.
but in the long term, that good cop or carrot behavior has enabled so much bullshit from the bad cop and the stick, and the good cop has moved so much to the bad cop or stick behavior that eventually there'll be little difference.
like biden undesigned Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism just 10 days before trump's inauguration, so the magatard re-imposed it in his first week in office. bitch could've done so in the first day of his term, and give an economic breathing room to Cuba, but he didn't.
>>2535753Glowy Platner. Idk man, just nothing about that nibba is trustworthy
>>2535745Why does NYC like crackheads like Sliwa? Seems like they always have a fucking terrible joke of a mayor.
>>2535740he mogs cracker platner
>>2535753>what do you make of this /usapol/I bet it was fun. They get snow up there in Maine. There's nothing comfier than going shooting inna woods on a cold day with a warm thermos of coffee.
>>2535753that's pretty cool actually
> But Platner himself brought up the tattoo, which he says he received in 2007, when he was in his 20s. He said he got it in Kosovo while on leave with the Marines during a night of drinking. A video aired during the podcast shows Platner dancing shirtless with the tattoo visible on his upper chest.
>He said he and his fellow Marines chose “a terrifying looking skull and crossbones off the wall because we were Marines and, you know, skulls and crossbones are a pretty standard military thing,” Platner said.
This sounds identical to the defenses offered by Ukrainian guys who get called on their tattoos. A totenkopf over his heart. Admittedly, Kosovo would be a likely place to find nazi symbols casually on offer at a tattoo parlor. But I still really doubt the story here.
>>2535771When you read his reddit post history he is super well read on history and events. I find it hard to believe he didn't know. He is not a crayon eater. He reads a lot of books
>>2535771I've heard dumber stories from military dudes to be honest, the only problem is
>>2535776>>2535753More weapon training is good
>>2535766He's funny in a court jester kinda way
>>2535034Out of the loop, what did he say?
>>2535781basically "total brown death" and USAnos here were like "i like this guy he is just like me"
Can we just not kill brown people for the crime of being in their own country for like two minutes? Maybe enough that someone who does that isn’t the face of the “left”, can we not do national socialism?
>>2535781I assume the ones where he said he was a communist and acab, which is possibly a good sign for class consciousness if the term "communist" is becoming destigmatized, even if only slightly
>>2535740Nobody asked for this faggots help.
>>2535789you WILL accept lolbertarian help agaisnt bombing latam and you WILL be happy
>>2535740Sorry Randal, but you aren't nearly enough of a Nazi, for the spotlight, in the Dems *or* the GOP. Culture warrior normies don't impress anymore.
Oh you don't like LGBT? Abortion? Boo HOO loser! I've heard that one a million times.
Lolbertarian? WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CHAINSAW, RANDAL!?
>>2535685>>2535684My car battery died on vacation before cell phones and i replaced it because im not a pissbaby.
>>2535813Imagine the footage we would get from this shit.
>>2535835
>invade a country that had never attacked America (which he knew) and murder innocent people
tbf there r only like a handful of post-ww2 wars that meet this criteria
>>2535740What does this resolve? Why didn't he clarify that Teva Pharmaceuticals, Merck and Johnson & Johnson produce fentanyl in the US? Why are both parties too ineffective to counter a movement based on the whims of one man? It's not even ideological but a cult of personality. When he's gone what will the parties become? And why do some of them act like the Constitution will save us when the Judiciary has already burned it? I guess I don't need to pay attention anymore since it's all a waste of time. And nobody lived happily ever after. The end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuflWJY6y4Q >>2535837
you cant change a car battery or walk over a mile LMAO
>>2535844Perhaps a reflection of the body politic in general. I don't have any answers on how to change it so there's another category itt. It's a mystery tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptItUeEpr4 why is this uygha shirtless constantly put a shirt on motherfucker
>>2535844>buzzword soupsay what you really think
>>2535847The only thing that matters about that troop guy is if he is on our side and can he win. If the answer is that he isn't and he's just another Democrat, there's no reason to talk about him because he's just another Democrat. We don't HAVE to talk about whatever the retards on Twitter are having a meltdown about. If he's just another Democrat, everything about him is a nothingburger.
Also, hysterical anti-soldier rhetoric is retarded politics. There's no good (non-moralistic) reason to engage in it, and every reason to not engage in it. Who are you thinking you're going to bring to your side by doing this? Why would you not invite military dissidents no matter how supposedly unlikely? It's such fundamentally bad politics, it feels like glowshit.
>>2535849> Also, hysterical anti-soldier rhetoric is retarded politics. Context matters here.
Platner’s story doesn’t track and that’s not hysterical.
I genuinely think this rightwing cultural Revolution is about to lose momentum fast and it already is.
>>2535854I’m predicting they prematurely shoot their load by killing a bunch of people and it eventually backfires. I’m sensing fatigue from libs whose treats were interrupted but would normally not care about politics.
>>2535742>California has a shitton of problems on its own merits but could you IMAGINE how fast they could get shit done if they were getting all that federal tax revenue and didn't have to deal with all three branches of the federal government fucking with them constantly? they would easily rival most of Europe in terms of quality of lifeCA Dems are nothing but a hilariously corrupt party of power that's only held this effective monopoly of power in Sacramento only because the other party is a bunch of batshit racists. California is the way it is because the people in power want it to be. If it ever became independent, the first thing they'd do is dump all the homeless people in Nevada or Arizona.
>>2535854Yes, it is fractured and fracturing more. The incompetence and duplicity of the kakistocracy, the smug arrogance in response to genuine concerns of their base in the face of real suffering caused by the kakistocrats and the war machine that imposes 'peace' by violent means should be a turnoff to people who thought they were voting for cheaper eggs and an end to war. All that remains is the last stand of the ku klux klan.
>>2535854Dunno if i agree. Classical fascists used ultranationalist populism to come to/continue to legitimize power as well. it didn't just go away even when they reneged on promises because they depend on culture war to retain their momentum. They have never had any real solutions to anything other than the return to the myth of the imagined past, so the eternal invader myth is central to them maintaining their grip on power.
>>2535865True and well said, but I've seen signs of hope among dissident former loyalists who are beginning to understand their leader is at war with everyone who isn't loyal. In this instance, loyalty to deer leader maintains the grip on power.
>>2535786so did trump just short and crash the crypto market so he could pay soldiers through the shutdown? what the fuck?
>>2535875like i can't help but notice "someone" made off with $150 mil with the oct 10 crypto short, then "someone" just so happens to hand over $130 mil to keep the soldiers around.
>>2535753Cute, that dude doing the rabbit ears 😍
>>2535813i had to look up blood pinning, sounds retarded, like most hazing rituals. whatever makes you feel manly i guess
>>2535681>ok retard i fucking hate this god damn place it's all bait and stupid "joking not joking" bullshitWelcome to hell
https://youtu.be/GwweeE0mchs >>2535705>disenfranchisement of the American proletariatlol typically soy rhetoric from spiritually Zionist settlers. Here's actual disefranchisement:
https://newsone.com/6499301/black-voter-disefranchisement-supreme-court-docket/>>2535709>Socialists do not want unrestricted immigrationYou cry about nuance because you're a soy neoliberal who rejects internationalism. You have more in common with Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias in the Abundance Zionist movement
>>2535733>Before the 1980's US immigration policy was not overly concerned with latin americanssince we're speaking of the Jeffrey Epstein Zionist settler surveillance police state…
< Border Control and Sexual Policing: White Slavery and Prostitution along the U.S.-Mexico Borderlands, 1903–1910 Get access Arrow <This article argues that the convergence of immigration law and morals purity movements, beginning in 1907, constructed the U.S. southern border as a site of gender and sexual exclusions. At the turn of the twentieth century, policing the U.S.-Mexico border was a gendered and sexualized project of the American state that sought to prohibit the admission of “alien” women and girls practicing prostitution and those who procured them. This work joins a growing body of scholarship that places the origins of the U.S. immigration regime and its use of deportation and surveillance strategies before the Immigration Act of 1917.https://academic.oup.com/whq/article-abstract/43/2/157/1926307 >>2535837
If Communists cannot change their own car batteries, we really are fucked. I do not mean to abuse, but struggle session is warranted. Mao Zedong teaches us that, unlike bourgeois who are accustomed to abuse of what they call "service," frugality and resourcefulness are greatest Communist virtues. CPUSA presented horrible example for proletarians to follow. He was idling off clock with all resources necessary to solve menial problem. Communist CANNOT depend on enemy supply line like Luigi Mangione.
>>2536149Cars fucking suck.
No one should care about cars
>>2535786how is this legal? surely the pentagon is barred from private funding?
>>2535844>Practical PoliticsPigga Peil Platner!
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Pigga Peil Platner!
>>2535199Their error was not starting an insurgent group, but waging insurgency wayyy before they even came close to being able to win, or even benefit from such a situation. Focoism won't work in the US. Really any strategies of protracted hot insurgency are doomed because of a lack of jungle and semi-feudal conditions. The type of party or insurgent group we need is one that accumulates forces until it's strong enough to transition to the offensive. It has to focus on gaining moral supremacy among the people and educating workers. Every action has to be broadly popular to the most oppressed. Some examples of their day to day activity might be face to face educational work, organizing community self defense, striking military infrastructure involved in unpopular war (like those manufacturing weapons for Israel), liberating the most infamous prisons and camps, engaging in mutual aid (within the party or front orgs/societies also involved in political education to ensure mutuality, as opposed to charity) that goes beyond food pantries, e.g. collective funds as insurance or loans, professionals donating their skills to other members, help with employment and housing, etc., and taxing harmful businesses where possible, meanwhile infiltrating local governments and essential infrastructure. Eventually taking out and replacing whole precincts and possibly councils if they seem unable to represent the people due to inbuilt undemocratic measures. Eventually engaging in socialist construction, e.g. undercutting monopolies with local small industry, building housing, expropriating landlords and monopolies (especially utilities), enforcing some changes to school curriculums, transferring surveillance apparatus to party control, setting up local munitions and weapons production, and creating recruitment pipelines in all captured institutions.
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