🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
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>>2532105Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet>>2533433 (previous thread)
>If the US is in a civil war it’s because all the other countries you listed have also fallenI don't see how that's necessarily a prerequisite
>>2533443by AI generating anime titty pics until texas runs out of water
>>2533443Selling fentanyl laced molly and coke to white house staffers
zohran status?
>>2533424The tough pill to swallow, is that 21st century fascists do not look back to the jackbooted thuggery of colonial rule. They look back to the glory days of Neoliberalism and the tearing down of socialist economies. What they intend to bring back "home", is exactly that approach to economics of the 70s onwards and the savage economic treatment of the periphery.
The collapse of NATO will not be an apocalyptic war. Or a hard fought revolution. It will be like the eastern bloc.
A controlled, glowed up demolition of a rotting system, by the forces within and without. And then you'll have the "
The wild nineties" over and over again as the rest of the liberalized world feasts on the carcass of US hegemony and backs the national burgeoisie to make it profitable, at any cost.
Anyone military or veteran is a terrorist and you should tell it to their face
I wish there were less extremist dogmatics in US leftist spaces and more reasonable, rational leftists like David Pakman and V a u s h. The extreme tankie looneys are not doing us any favour and they are gonna cause a second HUAC in which we, reasonable democratic socialists, will end up as victims.
The military is literally why this country sucks, but everyone loves it, everyone sucks up to troops, they’re literally welfare queens who rape and rob and we reward them and praise them for it. Sell them fentanyl.
>>2533443The empire is killing itself
>>2533466>Nobody has to bother trying to pretend to be the lesser evil anymore. Evil has already won, might as well be a Captain Planet villain cuz who's gonna stop you?i mean yeah, one of the biggest names in 00s and 10s hip hop released a song called Heil Hitler. That's where we're at.
how many filtered words are there here?
the ones I know:
m u s s o l I n I = ᴉuᴉlossnW
V a u s h = Agent Kochinski
uyghur = uyghur
uygh a = uygha
j e w I s h u y g h u r = jewish nigger
l Q = autism score
trccns = transhumanists
trans g e n d e r = transgender
>>2533466We're almost a month with the government shut down and I've barely seen anything about it. It's like everyone just accepted that was happening and never to be undone
>>2533471Belgium survived for years without a government, we should be fine
we keep wanting the US to implode but when that happens what are we actually gonna do, America does not have even remotely close social conditions compared to the vast majority of nation wide communist societies. And also most american communists haven't learned from the many failed statist regimes from the past, again most american MLs are much more organized then ancoms in the US rn.
>>2533473That’s because there’s an inherent tension between anarchism of any type and organization
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>>2533477 (me)
mods have done wonders on the filters, incredible
The US is the very first country in world history with purely negative dialectics
>>2533470>>2533477>>>/meta/ is the board for this kinda thing
>>2533466>Like I know all presidents are evil warmongering bastards and all that and it's not like Trump is a whole lot different, but the sheer open callousness and indifference keeps surprising me.He knows that 30% of Americans worship him like a God and will go with anything he says while rest of the people won't do anything meaningful to stop him.
>>2533480oh ok thanks
I'll take my shit there
>>2533479>The US is the very first country in world history with purely negative dialecticselaborate what you mean by this. I saw someone in
>>>/lgbt/ make a similar comment a while back and it confused me.
>>2533485it's just fancy words for pseuds to sound intellectual
>>2533485It means everything just gets worse and more stupid on a longer timeline, it’s the opposite of what Hegel described
>>2533484Are these the long fabled workers that benefit from the imperialism of their capitalist state?
>>2533472So, what, t theUS just turned all its governed employees and the military into a slave caste with a shrug?
>>2533479>>2533485Typical marxist vibist lmao
>>2533472Belgium actually has a welfare system
>>2533486how anticlimactic
>>2533490oh. i thought it meant something like pic related
>>2533493Reread the 13th amendment, we’ve never not been a slave society
>>2533489This should be a surprise to nobody
>>2533502Oh i know but there was usually some legal shuffles involved. This is them just declaring that millions of wage laborers are now slaves by position.
>>2533503And we dont. No social safety net or backups or anything at all. Everyone is a helluva lot more vulnerable to being left destitute by a government shutdown here than in Belgium
>>2533502the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR - 1976) allows slavery in the context of hard labor
>>2533511as means for a punishment
>>2533509It makes sense in a roundabout way, all those people are criminals by association with a terrorist group (the US government) and slavery is legal for anyone who has committed a crime, therefore all the government workers should be slaves by the constitution
>>2533489based based based
I wish this happens so no American eastern coast think tank animal can lecture about "banana republics", "tinpot African dictators", "authoritarian Arab leaders" and 'muh
stalin ' ever again
Wallahi Sheikh Trump, destroy Amerikkka >>2533510Doesn’t matter when you have to pay for gas to get in a car to go to bread riots, if you’re really broke you’ll just starve in your house
>>2533475Gasp! The hypocrisy! This makes me very upset :(
Gonna vote blue extra hard next time, grrrrr.
>>2533471see:
>>2533484also this:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/germany-pay-local-staff-us-093003253.htmlproblem is that the scandalous information isn't making to the landing or first page headlines.
>>2533521Perfect example of negative dialectics right there
>>2533521Thats what I'm saying!!! Communists like us gotta vote for ppl like Bernie and AOC. Like literally the magas are demolishing democracy right now as we speak!!! WTF just look at this shit!! LOOK AT THIS SHIT 😯 I am so angry, I can't even!!! Orange man bad, wake up sheeple!
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2533526Is there a reason why you're aggressively misinterpreting what I'm saying so you can play some weird caricature you made up of someone who doesn't like Trump, or are you just saying shit for the sake of it?
>>2533466>Like I know all presidents are evil warmongering bastards and all that and it's not like Trump is a whole lot different, but the sheer open callousness and indifference keeps surprising me.There was something Zizek said that was kind of interesting about the role of power and "obscene enjoyment." Every ideology has an "obscene" underbelly that is necessary to sustain it. It's kind of like that scene in A Clear and Present Danger when the CIA guy is watching an air strike on a mansion owned by a Colombian drug cartel, and the special forces guys in the field are like "oh shit" when they notice the kingpin's kids playing in the yard seconds before the bomb hits, but the CIA guy just leans back and says "boom" and gets a perverted satisfaction from it. I think that's how power really operates.
But what right-wing populists have figured out is they can run things like that openly. So you just get the air strikes on some fishermen in the Caribbean and they're putting the video on social media and saying ✈️💥BOOM💥🤣
>>2533475>Is this the "tradition" that we're returning to? Because I thought rightoids were really upset about the destruction of history, after all they complain constantly whenever people take down a cheap confederate statue. But actual unified American symbols on the other hand? Eh, Trump can do what he wants.The liberals are scandalized, but what the right principally cares about is power and dominating the immediate situation, and vulgar displays of power and the consumption / enjoyment of it is a constituent part of how it operates. I don't care about the East Wing of the White House (and I actually think Trump could build a nice ballroom), but I do think these guys want people to see the images of them tearing it down as a way to signal his own impunity. Then he builds this ballroom as a symbol of the eternity of his own rule, like slamming a nail into the American forehead.
>>2533461I hate living here so fucking much, everyone is socially forced to shag the flag and kowtow to killers. On top of that all of the military bases have encouraged sprawling compounds of cardboard suburb houses to shelter them while they're in and when they decide to retire to the shithole they helped make.
Funnily enough the Military Question can be traced back to the latter half of the 19th century because the bourgeois here were so content to suck the teet of provisioning and transporting supplies for the army that industry was pretty stillborn until the 20s.
red=currently operating
blue=retired
(the one in the middle North was allegedly used to funnel weapons to the Contras and other reactoid armies)
I just wanna say that trump is the most libertarian U.S president thus far, he is doing his best to take out every public institution and accelerate the collapse og the u.s goverment because "big gov bad" "free market good", you love to see it.
>>2533537>(and I actually think Trump could build a nice ballroom)come on he decorated the oval office by sticking fake plastic gold knobs and trinkets from temu on the walls
Appearently the US just attacked Vuvuzuela
>>2533551You mean the actual country and not just random civilian boats off the coast of it again?
>>2533542
Someone kills a right wing figure and you ACP retards start crying about it was actually Israel and muh civility and lead years.
>>2533553Lyle Lyle turn on the TV
>>2533555i only have da pooter, TV is for da boomer
>President Donald Trump is expected to make an announcement at 3:00pm.
ACP is a fed grift
Bunch of lunatics that will invite a crackdown on the broader left
>>2533558If he makes us wait 40 minutes I swear to god
>>2533551latest was yesterday, on the Pacific, but on the territorial waters of Colombia.
>>2533562what kind of parent names their kid 'Hannity'
wtf
>>2533564i bet its just going to be a bunch of bullshit about his fabulous ball room the best ball room the world has ever seen
>>2533568Hannity is Sean Hannity's last name. It's an Irish surname.
Apparently several bombers have just been reported as entering Venezuelan airspace
It may actually be happening folx
>>2533558it's about the Xi-Trump summit in South Korea. It must be it.
>>2533562well, the idea of maria corina machado, was not hers after all. not surprising.
>>2533561There role is more to act as a private intelligence op for the US govt and also for backroom discussions with "enemy" countries, although they already somewhat wrecked the CPUSA and the american left at large by being usual larouchite
>>2533584it's spelled WARina GLOWrina MaCHUDo
>>2533588>There role is more to act as a private intelligence op for the US govt and also for backroom discussions with "enemy" countries, hello what are the proofs
>>2533590There's no hard evidence but it can be inferred from the Larouche sect history which has collaborated heavily with the feds, their obvious astroturfing on social media and their access to high levels of political spheres in countries rivals of the US despite their minuscule size and absence of real ideology and program
>>2533594OK Thanks. I've felt similarly about them in the past but wanted to know if there was anything hard yet.
>>2533607this dude was seriously slobbering over getting the Nobel Peace Prize while planning this shit, beast mode tbh
>>2533455starship troopers shit
>>2533477uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha
I'm one-hundred-percent uygha
uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha
I'm two-hundred-percent uygha
uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha
Why do police hate uyghas?
uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha, uygha
They hate us 'cause our dicks is bigga
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Why you call yourself a uygha?
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'Cause I'm a motherfuckin' uygha
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Why you drink so much beer?
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I don't drink beer; I drink malt liquor
>>2533621Has Venezuela abolished commodity production? No? Then why should I care about another interimperialist conflict.
american democracy is choosing between hitler and mega hitler
>>2533624you are the enemy
there's nothing progressive about americans at all, they are the largest actually existing voelkerabfall
to kill an american is a crime
to kill millions is liberation
>>2533629no that would be israelis
americans are stuck between a rock (sucking off the military) and a hard place (not giving up imperialist treats)
>>2533631the israelis do not constitute nation acorrding to stalin-lenin's definition
>>2533629Yeah they are, imagine if california was left to lazy mexicans
give me 500 americans and i'll have them hooked on opiates by the end of the hour
Treatlerites are losing their soda and chip rations this month
if you see an american in the street
spit on them
>>2533634ok? it doesn't make them not a fascist ethnostate
>>2533636no hollywood is a positive, anon
i steal from american tourists when they are stuffing their faces with mcdonalds
>>2533645american's are fat, lazy and slimy. the most difficult part about stealing from them is how slippery their wallets are from the excess fat which seeps from their pores. the crumpled up dollar bills must remind amis of the foreskin they lost to israeli medical-imperialism
>>2533607>the isis of the western hemispheredamn, he went full potato.
>>2533643dip those burgers with extra fat, so they can have an heart attack
>we do hang out
We are being run by psychotic fags
everything wrong in the world stems from the anglo-american. every anglosaxon hitlerite's accusation of judeobolshevik conspiracy is admission of his own imperialist nature.
>>2533655>loveforlandchadsback to reddit
the herrenvolk's most precious are their women which are so utterly brainwashed to believe in the holiness of the familiar order, that's why rightist women are most rabid fascists, white anglosaxon aryan women carry imperialistic genes. to cosanguine with such animals is to never give your children a possiblity at humanity.
>>2533660That's why they prefer dogs
american's will see their own imperialist state bomb a nation one gulf over and say to do anything is impossible. this is the reason they deserve no mercy once the day comes. a nation of spineless cucks hooked on opiates, treates and discourse.
IMAGINE living under a monarchy. couldn't be me
Printing bullet casings with Hugo Chavez’ face on them because Maduro isn’t charismatic enough
Just bring back the draft, it’s the only way there is such a thing as American politics
>>2533564Is there gonna be a press conference? Have a link?
>>2533675I think he's finished.
>>2533680>76six seven holy shit
So did anything actually happen or
>>2533669https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1912/nov/05b.htm For more than a year we have been telling the liquidators: stop talking and start founding your “legal political societies”, such as the “society for the defence of working-class interests”, and so on. Stop phrase-mongering and get down to work!
But they cannot get down to work because it is impossible to realise a liberal utopia in present-day Russia. All they can do is to defend in this covert fashion their “initiating groups”, which are engaged in useful talk and mutual encouragement, in suggestions and considerations about “legal political organisations”.
>>2533682me when that AIPAC check clears
>>2533669you have got to be kidding me
>>2533682Fact check: True.
Context: Mamdani is a demsoc (fascist) and Sliwa is republican (ultra fascist) while Cuomo is independent (of bourgeois influence).
>>2533612mah boi, peace is what all true warriors strive for
>>2533669why are you such a larper? you ain't robbing any banks
>>2533694you have even less self-awareness than I thought
>>2533692 (me)
btw, this is a violation of the Logan Act.
>forbids private citizens from conducting diplomacy or coordinating with foreign governments on military or political matters. The act was created to prevent individuals from undermining official U.S. foreign policy or acting as “shadow governments.” >>2533607critical support to MAGA fascists in their struggle against Drug Cartels, which is a product of the CIA-DeepState and whose primary victims are proles at the hands of lumpen-hooligans
>>2533703Antifa bombed the white house
>>2533695yes If i was doing any illegal activity I would 100% be open about that on a monitored imageboard, I would probably detail those plans out really openly yea
>>2533705it's just a pretext to overthrow maduro who has nothing to do with CIA drug cartels
>>2533682the first choice of a Communist should be Sliwa. Second choice is Cuomo. Ziohran comes last. Oppose the Indo-uguandan petit bourgeois. Remember what Idi Amin Dada did right after taking the country, he expelled their brown asses for being counter-reovlutionaries.
/s >>2533706Canada is Antifa?
>>2533708you're right, because if you were you wouldn't be begging on here
>>2533711that will be a good test of Madura's pink succdem experiment.
If Maduro wins, it will be a great blow to the prestige of the American Gangster State.
If Maduro loses, the pink succdem libshit retard was too weak and never deserved to lead the masses anyway
millions will die, but like, dialectics man >>2533708illegalists do not frequent imageboards at all
You're a Louisiana white boy who tries hard to be part of a fictional 90s British counterculture 2kool4u
you ran over a motorist and fled
your uncle is a senator
I know who you are Houdino
The American government is literally invincible, it’s a walking God on earth and it’s a jealous tribal god, you can maybe chase it out of your lands but you’re never killing it
>>2533718I like not getting bombed, I intend to keep that privilege
>>2533718you are an enemy of the working class
>>2533728>we'll kill them, they're gonna be like deadthis man went to University of Pennsylvania btw, an Ivy League university…
>>2533730All MOVE needed to do was clean and shower, all of this could have been avoided
>see all these screeching american "leftists" talking being mad their mercenary candidate turned out to be a nazi
>check when's the election going to be
>one year away
why do americans always talk about elections that are months if not years away from happening like people are about to go to vote on sunday?
>>2533738Liberal propaganda
>>2533738sossaiytee of da sbektackuhl
>>2533733I'll kill him. I'll kill him dead.
Y'know with a rock. …y'know like a, like a stone.
>>2533733It's like the kind of shit they'd say in Realtime Fandub except in real life
"We're gonna kill all the drug dealers…and then we'll kill them again!"
>A reporter for an ultra-Orthodox publication poses a question that had the potential to cause an international incident at the White House press briefing, first declaring that Donald Trump is likely to go down as “the greatest builder of this era,” before asking Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt whether the subject of building the Third Temple in Jerusalem has ever come up during discussions with the US president.
>“It has not,” Leavitt responds, quickly putting to bed the possibility.
>>2533722Wtf are those press briefings anyways? It’s like a fever dream by a nazi having a nightmare.
>>2533771line goes up = good
>>2533771im more worried about hyperinflation
>>2533771WHEN THE OLD CANNOT RULE IN THE OLD WAY AND WHEN THE NEW CANNOT RULE IN A NEW WAY
TICK TOCK AMERITARDS
ORGANIZE
>>2533772Green line = good line
>>2533771Thirty trillion dollars in debt since 2010 alone and mfers trying to say this will all blow over
Lmao
>>2533775>Both the September 11 terrorist attacks and the Great Recession greatly influenced the attitudes of this generation in the United states, and resulted in a feeling of unsettlement and insecurity among Gen Z. Although Millennials experienced these events during their coming of age, Gen Z lived through them as part of their childhood, affecting their realism and world view … many found themselves stuck with excessive college debt when they discovered employment options did not meet their expectations. Gen Z are often described as seeking independence and opportunity but are also among the least likely to believe there is such a thing as the “American Dream,” and that the “system is rigged” against them. Frequently seeing themselves as agents for social change, they crave fulfillment and excitement in their job to help “move the world forward.” Despite the technological proficiency they possess, Gen Z actually prefer person-to-person contact as opposed to online interaction. They describe themselves as being involved in their virtual and physical communities, and as having rejected excessive consumerism.lol they make genz out to be way cooler than we are
>>2533777I just can’t get over seeing the comically Jewish guy being like
>Oy vey President Goys ball room will be magnificent, but as the president been, uh perhaps looking into rebuilding the third temple?Just insane timeline we live in lol
>>2533794Yeah that site lasted less than a week
>>2533801nobody cares what glowies on 4pol think
>>2533790I’d say the opposite to be honest. The bitcoin stuff is kinda lame.
https://archive.is/CZxFs >>2533795That one actually made me laugh, I'll admit I kinda admire the audacity. No bullshitting around, just walking up there and asking for that Third Temple for that sweet sweet Messianic Age
>>2533811The law doesn’t exist
>>2533811It’s Donald Trump
>>2533805the glow is too strong
>>2533801>most of usyeah, no. they had their electoral chances, always discrediting the institutions, and without any evidence of fraud, when they lose on purpose they go and cry like bitches to washington. not at all a psyop.
>>2533786oof, he went off the rails.
>>2533805The progressive movement was doomed from the start playing a game rigged right against them, even though their demands are quite meager.
Things may still work out for the communists though.
>>2533834Who is this anon, anon?
>>2533825is that like a low level diy fast food?
>>2533805It sucks but unironically who else is going to teach people about firearms and combat tactics other than ex-military personnel?
It's not like you can become a guerrillero from watching YouTube tutorials and playing Fortnite.
>>2533850Yeah. Has some popularity to it though.
>>2533850yeah it's not worth it. either do a full home cooked meal or go out to a slop joint.
>>2533854>It's not like you can become a guerrillero from watching YouTube tutorials and playing Fortnite.That’s already happened. Unconventional warfare is a thing.
>>2533854firearms experience is firearms experience. hard to say no to that
>>2533854You can watch bids about slicing the pie and then mag dumping hard corners
>>2533762Gon be fun
>2028, China: more automation, even cheaper food and housing, fun times<2028, USA:, more policing, more Stasi, more ICE, more repressionI like this timeline. Your (burger) suffering serves a purpose: making communism look good.
>>2533870Trying really hard to mix all their boogie men into one to justify the war. In a couple weeks Maduro will turn out to be an Islamo-communist trans illegal alien drug lord member of Hamas and antifa.
>>2533895They have really sucked at manufacturing consent since covid, Assad and the China hysteria circa 2018-2020 were the last times public opinion seemed to be on their side
>>2533892Only in AmeriKKKa being a Nazi war criminal can boost your political career rather than sink it.
>>2533902People joked about Sanders killing Rosa but I don't think any of us expected a Blackwater vet with a Totenkopf tattoo to become one of their guys
>>2533896>>2533902It’s not about median voters or nazis, it’s about who actually brought something to the table(even if it’s bullshit), and who didn’t bother to bring anything at all.
Voooters can either sit at home, or vooote for the guy actually offering something.
>>2533908This honestly does not fall outside my expectations
>>2533908The germ succdems backed the freikorps in their jihad against rosa and other communists
The yankee zionist succdem Bernie backs the neo-nazi Adolf Platner in his jihad against
MAGA communists
Love how you're all realizing that Iron Felix was right about both troops and American civilians. Almost like he is right about everything, because he is the only Marxist-Leninist here.
>>25339082025 has shown me that
the glowing real iron felix is the only real communist on this board
his strasserite allegations are completely true
>>2533580>no source, just shit talkapparently several men have just been reported entering your mom's house
>>2533892Reminder this is just the fucking primary there are options beyond "platner or the Republican"
>>2533762>>2533870Not even a year into this term and they're already openly preparing for war at home and abroad all while the economy is crashing.
Call it wishful thinking, but I'd say the Burgerreich is about to destroy itself sooner than we thought.
>>2533919so you're admitting either to being a strasserite or you're TRIF patting himself on the back. which is it?
>>2533922Is there?
>>2533923I called it too soon. I thought it’d be summer.
>>2533805>>2533854Unironically him merely being there probably means the Maine SRA is the best trained SRA chapter in the country on account of doing moderately more than aiming rifles in the general direction of paper targets.
>>2533902>>2533908I feel like some of you guys are completely out of touch with America and just want to sit on the sidelines complaining about every political development good or bad.
>>2533919I, another poster who is also not Felix, completely agree
what is happening in the hilldawg won in 2015 timeline?
>>2533940Everyone is dead from the nuclear exchange following the No Fly Zone declaration over Syria
>>2533940nothing it would've been boring af like biden lite
zohran status?
>>2533953he will win, probably flake out in a few areas but still will be an improvement
>>2533870>is there any evidence that [prefabricated talking point that only natsec schizos in the USA claim]I love my unbiased media JAQing off in front of the president
can we get Ground News (tm) to rate this on a scale liberal reliable to conservative reliable
>>2533940Pure, distilled depression.
>>2533940rainbow-colored bombs dropping on the middle east
>>2533843the hell if I know. Probably some another gusano trying to scare off people, psyoping. As if we had a chance to do any of that.
>>2533940the nauseating term "First Lordy Bill Clinton" enters our vocabulary
>>2533951The Marines actually got their shit pushed in a bit during the 2003 invasion in Nasiriyah. Read up on it.
Platner was profiled a few weeks ago (can't forget which magazine) and the reporter brought up liberals talking like they need to prep, and he was like, take it from me they're not ready. Makes me wonder if he went to the SRA and was like alright comrades hooah and then was like ahhhh we're probably going to get destroyed and decided to run for Senate instead.
BTW, I liked Warfare because there's a lot of combat but I don't think you see the Navy SEALs hit more than, like, one insurgent while they are basically outgunned the whole time and taking some horrendous casualties. In general this war stuff looks like a bad deal, and soldiers can experience it as kind of like being involved in a car crash.
>>2533426i would not want to be alive in the united states when the AI bubble pops.
>>2533978oh l'astralium, ton gros cul sera bien au chaud sous la présidence de Marine Le Pen, t'inquiète pas des ricains
>>2533977>The Marines actually got their shit pushed in a bit during the 2003 invasion in Nasiriyah. Read up on it. wow it's a relief knowing that our "brave" marines even manage to be shitty warriors in situations where they have an overwhelming advantage. I for one am relieved that the Maine SRA is receiving training from someone with decades of experience waging asymmetrical warfare poorly against third world civilians :^)
>>2533937was the Uyghur Obama by any chance?
>>2533978If you would please consult the graph.
>>2533805Glowies on this site will still insist that Platner is a fake socialist and actually a secret Nazi even though he joined Socialist orgs in the state and helped train Socialists in how to kill Nazis long before having a political career. This is not enough though because Nazi Tattoo invalidates all the good a person can do in their life.
Ironically I think Reddit has a better take on this than Leftypol at this point. Normies aren't buying the character assassination, and as we can see with
>>2533892 it failed miserably to move the needle anywhere except in ML circles where perfect will always be the enemy of good.
Theoretically how hard is it to start a third party? Why do communist orgs even endorse dem candidates in the first place
>>2533985>Roe v Wade would still exist at leastWhy would it still exist when the Dems were just as glad for it to go as the Reps?
>>2533978it'll take much of the world economy with it too afaik
>>2534003Are you trolling rn? The Dems relied on Roe v Wade to let them avoid passing actual federal legislation enshrining abortion rights because then "blue dogs" like Manchin would have to go on record voting against it and the party's reputation would crater. They did not want it to go.
>>2533998This gave me a chuckle.
>>2533993>Normies aren't buying the character assassinationI think you're right.
>>253398510/7 was a response to the Abraham Accords. Probably wouldn't have happened under Hilary.
>>2534008It would've still happened because Mossad did Oct 7.
>>2533993Makes me think about how the vietnamese communists got a fighting chance because japanese veterans who went on a murderous and fascist rampage all over Asia during WW2 trained them to fight the colonizers after that.
>>2534012At the end of the day being a soldier is still a profession and one that isn't tied to ideology but materialist conditions. These people who are only good at killing still need jobs and will work for whoever gives them someone to kill.
Somehow Stalin, Lenin, Mao, etc all understood this and were willing to ally themselves with morally repugnant individuals to achieve their ends, but "morality" is a curse on the American Left that ensures nothing ever gets done.
>>2534006The dems ran for years on protecting RvW and never actually pulled the trigger, even when they had all the power to do so. This is in the face of the very open activities of the Republicans to do exactly what they did.
Then when the republicans finally got their way, not only did the Dems not do anything to stop it, but they let it be repealed, then successfully fundraised on promises to "fight for it." Post RvW, their political strategy was exactly the same as the Republicans: bicker over it endlessly at the state level while endlessly fundraising off of it.
If you think they weren't hoping for it to go for as long as the Republicans and happy to see it leave then I have a bridge to sell you.
>>2533993>Glowies on this site will still insist that Platner is a fake socialist and actually a secret Nazi even though he joined Socialist orgs in the state and helped train Socialists in how to kill Nazisthere's a little more to it than just retarded tattoo and you know exactly what it is but are omitting it on purpose:
<volunteered 4 separate times to attack countries that didn't attack the USA<worked as a blackwater mercenary<has a reddit post history (pic related one of MANY examples) full of remorseless musings about the joy of killing<admired the azov battalion in 2019 (3 years before the war made them well known outside of ukraine) despite allegedly not know what a totenkopf wasbut keep on fedjacketing the handful of people who give a shit about workers outside the united states borders as well as inside the united states borders.
<long before having a political career.you mean the 4 short years after his St. Paul like epiphany where he suddenly realized after an ayahuasca trip that he had been wrong his entire life and that he immediately needed to join the good guys, not as a follower at the bottom slowly earning trust, though, that's not fair, he immediately deserves all the unconditional trust and support from the working class, and to be a leader among them, and to receive a position of power in the US legislature where he will …. lol …. allegedly finally be free to do something with his life besides war crimes and
totally won't get bogged down by the procedural norms of bureaucracy and compromise like the succdems who came before him (bernie, squad, AOCIA, etc.)
bro was working for Erikkk Prince's mercenary company literally less than 10 years ago, during the first trump term. this is the part where you don't quote or respond to any of the points i make and fedjacket me just like Normal Adult Marxist and pretend I am saying "never voot" or "don't voot"
I am telling you to stop falling for these people. In country with over 300 million, where only 0.8% become marines, let alone do what he did, it is VERY EASY to find a working class person willing to run for office without a background like his, but supposedly this is what the burger demands. So be it.
>>2533977>Platner was profiled a few weeks ago (can't forget which magazine) and the reporter brought up liberals talking like they need to prep, and he was like, take it from me they're not ready. Makes me wonder if he went to the SRA and was like alright comrades hooah and then was like ahhhh we're probably going to get destroyed and decided to run for Senate instead.To be honest it seems to me that a lot of left-wing "violence" in the U.S. is pure pageantry. Like, its chest-puffing, its symbolic, kind of a "look at me" sort of deal. Meanwhile the Right actually hates, it actually wants to kill people. Whether their brainbugs are abortion or something else, it tends to just devolve into them ambushing a person with an assault rifle and shooting them dead. Or bombs, sometimes. What makes it all the more comical is you'll get shit like the weather underground back in the day saying "WE'RE GONNA PUT THE FEAR OF GOD IN HONKY AMERICA" and the best they do is blow up a toilet in the pentagon. Like its a lot of talk, a lot of show, a lot of "Yeah, I'm a crass thug." And then you look at the right and they've got this midwestern small business owner who really hates abortion so he just rolls up on a congress person's house and shoots them.
Like it feels like with the Left they make the stakes
sound higher, you'll get some "WE ARE IN A WAR FOR HUMANITY AGAINST THE CAPITALIST WHITE IMPERIALIST EMPIRE! FUCK THE PIGS!" but then they maybe at best throw some blood on a statue of Christopher Columbus. Meanwhile some reactionary Gen X'er with a facebook filled with "DEMOCRATS were the REAL racists!" just snaps and kills people. Well, that or some baby-faced Zoomer with a manifesto that's like "Women wont fuck me because I'm half-Dominican and 4-11"
>>2534020>never actually pulled the trigger, even when they had all the power to do so.Because they either didn't have the votes due to "centrist dems" or because they thought it would be damaging to their fundraising/electoral chances, yes the Dems are incompetent at passing good policy but it's not because they disliked Roe.
>If you think they weren't hoping for it to go for as long as the Republicans and happy to see it leave then I have a bridge to sell you.What benefit do the Dems see from killing Roe? They literally lost the next presidential election after its death.
Maybe some of you who are criticizing his past military service and work as a mercenary ought to go listen to some of the interviews he’s had, and what he’s said in response to the criticisms, Believe it or not, people can be horrified by what they find themselves involved in, and evolve and become better people because of it. It’s precisely those experiences that make him such a strong candidate. It gives him that inside perspective, which brings him a lot of credibility when he starts talking about reforming those institutions.
>>2534025What does showing your furry porn on stream and then blasting a small grocery store full of blacks achieve for reactionary goals though? It gets straight to the point but after doing it for decades it's achieved very little.
>>2534025that Boelter guy is a menace. he had no kings signs in his car to frame the left
>>2534032This. Why must we forever compare ourselves to schizophrenic Gen X'ers who kill people indiscriminately and get themselves killed in the process? Are we losing the schizophrenic mass shooter war?
>>2534030when someone spends their entire life doing wrong, and suddenly want to do right, they go over to the good guys, and start at the bottom, and earn trust. they aren't entitled to immediate forgiveness, unconditional support, positions of power, and absence of criticism. Go VOOT for your humble oyster farmer who worked for blackwater during trump term 1 less than 10 years ago, just don't be surprise when he isn't all he's cracked up to be, and even if he is, don't be surprised when the US senate chews him up and spits him out as yet another compromising cuck just like it did to bernie.
>>2534032Who says it achieves anything? I’m just saying the Right just straight up engages in violence more, though if it “does” anything for t try em I suppose it can be argued that just throwing darts at a board until you hit a bullseye. I think Hitler claimed one of the reasons the Nazis beat the German left was they were just more willing to straight up murder people.
Regardless I think the Left really isn’t in a combat ready state. Though I think it can overcome such shortcomings without contradicting its own apparent psychology by focusing on things like first aid and staying fit.
>>2534045exactly. and our enemies don't even do that. if i decided tomorrow to betray the working class, and go over to the porkies, would they instantly make me the CEO of a fortune 500 company? no. would they reward my side-changing with instant trust? no. So when "ex-" chuds switch sides, or pretend to switch sides, do they deserve instant trust, positions of power, unconditional support? no. but with this platner guy you got vootscolders crawling out of the woodwork and bending themselves into pretzels over this guy
>>2534023><volunteered 4 separate times to attack countries that didn't attack the USAAnd? Are people not allowed to grow from their experiences? I was a Libertarian in high school and "ironically" called Hitler based until I learned better. Never killed anyone tho but still.
><worked as a blackwater mercenaryprofessional soldiers need work
><has a reddit post history (pic related one of MANY examples) full of remorseless musings about the joy of killingI'd like to see your 4chan post history. I'd probably be mortified if anyone ever saw mine.
><admired the azov battalion in 2019 (3 years before the war made them well known outside of ukraine) despite allegedly not know what a totenkopf wasThe war has been ongoing since 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea. A lot of people especially on Reddit's military/combat footage subs were super invested in this conflict due to all the footage that was coming out of it, long before Russia's full invasion of Ukraine.
>you mean the 4 short years after his St. Paul like epiphany where he suddenly realized after an ayahuasca trip that he had been wrong his entire life and that he immediately needed to join the good guys, not as a follower at the bottom slowly earning trust, though, that's not fair, he immediately deserves all the unconditional trust and support from the working class, and to be a leader among them, and to receive a position of power in the US legislature where he will …. lol …. allegedly finally be free to do something with his life besides war crimes and totally won't get bogged down by the procedural norms of bureaucracy and compromise like the succdems who came before him (bernie, squad, AOCIA, etc.)This is literally Dem propaganda lmao. "Working your way up" is not a thing. If you're in a position to rally people towards a cause, why the fuck are you sitting on the sidelines "working your way up" and not taking action in the immediate present? Dems love parroting this line about how you gotta "earn your dues" and how young people need to accept being dominated by geriatrics because they "earned it" 40 years ago. Fuck off lmao.
Che Guevara was 25 when he started fighting imperialism, and 39 when he died. You don't have to "work your way up" just do the thing for fucks sake.
>I am telling you to stop falling for these people.I am not falling for anything, I am rejecting the premise that someone can't do good in their life just because they have a problematic past. I don't care if the guy is sincere or not, I'm not one to judge. That's for voters to judge. I'm saying it's not really useful or productive as Leftists to character assassinate people that are "ostensibly" on our side before they even have a chance to do anything. If this guy gets elected and then betrays the Dems, that's one thing, but I'm not a Democrat so I really couldn't care less if he betrays the Democrats or not. I just want to see change within the Democratic party, not to make the party better but to move the country as a whole towards the Left, which I think this guy will do because he actively talks about Leftist issues in interviews and cuts through the Zionist bullshit on the regular.
>>2534049I mean I don’t got a horse in this race, but looking at the sheer volume of Trotskyist-to-neocons and “why I left the left” style grifters, I think it could be said that the right does reward those who convert to their side. Like arguably it’s one of their favorite things. They relish in the victory that comes with someone switching. They’re pretty quick to embrace them.
Like, say what you will about the right but as soon as you say “the Left has gone insane” or some other variation of that they start love bombing you.
Running as a democrat in Maine is not the attack on Moncada
>>2534055>I think it could be said that the right does reward those who convert to their sidenot instantly with positions of leadership and unconditional support, but with little grifter fiefdoms
>>2534053HUGE world of difference between someone who was edgy as a teen and posted Pepes and said the n word online but has since then changed and someone who willingly participated as a haired gun to do war crimes in behalf of the interest of AmeriKKKan imperialism.
>>2534045Because this guy is running for leadership and none of those people are. Why aren't you running for office if you consider yourself morally superior to him? Why aren't you organizing outside of electoralism? This guy is doing something, and volunteered in Socialist orgs in his state to try to make things better for those around him. Meanwhile you sit online and criticize him for not being "good enough" while having done nothing yourself. How the fuck does that make sense? I'd argue a history of doing nothing is worse. You're literally complacent with the status quo while Platner is actively trying to change it lmao. This is why people are voting for him. Not because they like Nazis but because it's either the flawed guy that promises change or the Democrat that promises nothing will fundamentally change. There is no alternative here. You can't just keep waiting for a "better candidate" to come along 4-6 years from now. You have to take action in the present with the options you have available. Or don't. It's up to you if you find the current status quo preferable I guess.
>>2534058who among us didn't work for blackwater less than 10 years ago and instantly had a 180 degree change of heart a few years before running for office.
how many random bystanders were killed in the Tiflis bank robbery again?
>>2534059unlike you leftoids this guy was actually homeless. he was discriminated against by the bourgeoisie, who disrespected his lovely paintings. he was a war veteran who risked his life in one of the deadliest wars in human history. and now he promises to bring socialism to deutschland. what the fuck have you done
>>2534055>the right does reward those who convert to their sideyou know, traitors be traitors. but the american public doesn't treat losers and traitors as bas as they should. they should be shunned.
>>2534059>Because this guy is running for leadership and none of those people areBullshit.
There have been progressive democrats running for seats all over the country but nobody paid attention to them. This guy is getting attention because he's a glowie plant and you are a rube.
>>2534058I mean can you say Che Guevara never did warcrimes or was on the wrong side of any conflict? Professional soldiers do war crimes, they aren't individual actors but part of a system of imperialism. The Red Army and PLA both had war criminals among them, many of them got promoted for it even.
>>2534054He's running for a Senate seat under the Democratic Party bro. He isn't head of the Maine Commissar. You guys have to stop conflating Leftists with Democrats. Who gives a shit what this guy does to the Democrats we aren't Democrats.
>>2534064but but but janet mills is an even older glowie so um… your point is invalid… i just want to inject the system with a younger more competent imperialist with fresher blood on his sword who knows how to do populist rhetoric to trick the masses
>>2534067>old people badthis but unironically
>>2534064>This guy is getting attention because he's a glowie plant and you are a rube.Palantir and the DSCC literally conspired to expose his reddit post history and nazi tattoos to sink his campaign lmao.
>>2534066>the red army and PLA are le same as America in Iraq and Afghanistanblink blink blink blinkrightypol.org
>>2534069did Palantir force him to work for blackwater and voluntarily do 4 tours of imperialist "duty" in the USMC attacking countries that did nothign to America, in wars based on lies?
"No Kings" Is About More Than Trump
<Americans are rejecting the national security statehttps://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/no-kings-is-about-more-than-trump
>While the major media focused on crowd size and potential violence that never materialized, the “No Kings” protests this weekend had another message: millions of Americans reject the entire framework of the national security state.
>Protesters I talked to expressed opposition to more than just the president and Trumpism, but the entire national security apparatus, including the FBI, ICE, homeland security, the National Guard and the military. Unlike the protests during Trump’s first term, this one doesn’t see a savior in the FBI or even the Democratic Party, instead putting their faith in ordinary people like themselves. Seven million-plus Americans gathered with homemade signs and costumes rejecting the relentless threat mongering about some domestic terrorism “enemy from within.”
>I interviewed dozens of protesters at the demonstration around the leafy capitol building in Madison, Wisconsin, and the major theme that came across was their utter mockery of the government’s warnings about Antifa and domestic terrorists in general. >>2534072if Platner would be so invigorating for the bloody empire why is the aipac and establishment Dems work against him
>>2534069there's no confirmation that it was palantir.
Treatlerites are going to go without food money this month. Amerikkka knowing what third world is like now
>>2534076i already told you a thousand times this isn't about him vs. janet mills, my criticism is of him, period. i have already told you VOOT for him just don't be surprised when he sucks ass and his work in the senate reflects his life choices more than his astroturfed "change of heart"
>>2534077who cares if it was. anon is just trying to distract from home boy's life choices by saying that you must be a palantir shill if you notice them
>>2534070If you're a professional soldier you don't choose the conflicts you're sent to kill people in. Many of the USSR and PRC war criminals were actually terrible people and only ended up on the "right side of history" by pure coincidence. Iraq and Afghanistan had decent American soldiers that thought they were genuinely "keeping the peace" and weren't just signing up to do war crimes even though the political leadership that decided to send them there is unquestionably evil.
>>2534030> he starts talking about reforming those institutions.and what reforms is he proposing to those institutions?
>>2534069So what? This was already discussed, it could easily be a case of glowy infighting. You assume too much rationality on the part of the US rulling class and their operators.
>>2534080Weirdly I agree with you but I think "critical support for Graham Platner in his campaign against the Democrat establishment" isn't exactly what's going on here. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much hostility to him in this thread tbh.
I don't want to lionize this guy, he's still a former blackwater merc and he still has nazi tattoos. But "critical support" should still be treated as support.
>>2534082>If you're a professional soldier you don't choose the conflicts you're sent to kill people in. HAHAHAAHAHHA
fuck off dude
NOBDDY in america is drafted anymore. they VOLUNTEER. he volunteered for 4 tours of duty and was happy and proud of what he did in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said so himself. Then after 4 VOLUNTARY tours of duty he VOLUNTARILY worked as a soldier of fortune at a mercenary corporation.
if fascist soldiers in WW2 who were drafted have no excuses, then this guy doesn't either.
<ooh but he said he heckin had a change of heart a few years before running for office … why don't you heckin TRUST him … he's just a humble small business (oyster farm) owner and home owner in Maine. A real salt of the earth petty bourgeois umm i mean working class "ex" chud who got a nazi tattoo and praised azov battlion in 2019 and openly mused on reddit about the joys of killing foreigners for the empire. >>2534087I think it's more irresponsible to assume the US ruling class are infighting just because it's the only solution to your cognitive dissonance. The Dems using their media connections to try to sink Platner is enough evidence that he's a threat to them.
>>2534081yeah, it's more like nazi on nazi violence, if it was.
until platner decides to erase the tattoo, show the erased stuff, and apologize (optional, he can deny he ever got a nazi tattoo, if he erases it).
>>2534090the lack of self-awareness on placing "figurative" bounties…
>>2534057I mean, not for nothing, but you've got Irving Kristol as one counter-example, then there's Eldridge Cleaver being buddy-buddy with Reagan, historically ᴉuᴉlossnW would often attempt bribing former Socialists with positions ranging from mayors of small towns to heads of local labor unions or some other cushy government positions, those are just what I can think of off the top of my head.
>>2534063I mean, ultimately the thing is the Right wants to win power and an unfortunate impulse on the Left is to merely "critique" power. At least that's how I see it.
There's a whole passage in Sun Tzu about the strategic benefits of "giving your enemy an out", it opens the door to a whole rout of their forces because people think it better to run than stay lashed to a sinking ship. I think the National Rally in France similarly makes a big show of grabbing "former communists" or their voters or districts as a powerful propaganda tool.
Its Machiavellian, sure, but it works.
>>2534089>Otherwise there wouldn't be so much hostility to him in this thread tbh.There's hostility to him because I'm free to say whatever I want about him. he's polling well against mills and will probably win anyway. If anything my listing of his war crimes makes his supporters want to vote for him more because americans admire MUH PATRIOTISM (voluntarily overthrowing other governments for oil and minerals)
>>2534057>not instantly with positions of leadership and unconditional support, but with little grifter fiefdomsTrump literally went from being a lifelong NY Democrat to the unquestioned god-king of the GOP in 1 election.
>>2534093>ntil platner decides to erase the tattoo, show the erased stuff, and apologizehe did this yesterday
he covered it up with some ugly celtic dog thing
idgaf about the tattoo, but about what he DID TO IRAQI WORKERS AND AFGHAN PEASANTS on behalf of MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS
>>2534095By the way the way people are talking about his reddit history is very disingenuous. The comments about him "being proud to murder people" was a tongue in cheek reply criticizing US military waste on a military sub.
I don't think he was actually the bloodthirsty Kojima villain you guys make him out to be. He was clearly a military dudebro but even in his reddit history he was critical of the US MIC.
UK free speech
If she said genocide Gaza and Israel should kill every Muslim in the world or nuke Iran she would never be in trouble
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/former-palestine-action-supporter-doctor-arrested-9lzwzcl9k>>2534078America is a fourth dimensional world waiting for the first world to die
>>2534025>Whether their brainbugs are abortion or something else, it tends to just devolve into them ambushing a person with an assault rifle and shooting them dead.The last time I saw a leftist do something like that (other than the Charlie Kirk shooter) was an anarchist in Portland who killed a Proud Boy and was then hunted down and killed by the feds a little while later. It was cold-blooded murder but it was the closest to some gangster-style killing I've seen. A lot of shootings in the U.S. are like that, it's some guy running up on another guy who doesn't see it coming and it's over. Otherwise a lot of "armed conflict" looks to me like an unfolding disaster for everybody involved. Like: Plan A leads to — > violence — > Plan A immediately goes to hell which leads to — > Plan B which is a desperate struggle to try and reestablish a certain baseline of physical functioning so you don't die.
There was an anarchist group in my area who shot a cop at an ICE prison. It was a complete disaster and the group was destroyed by the cops (most of them didn't even make it out of the area, and the ones who did were scooped up eventually), but they were doing a late-night demonstration outside the jail. Anarchists do this a lot, they show up outside jails (frequently on holidays) and will shoot fireworks as a solidarity message to the prisoners inside (and I'm assuming, in their own imagination, believe this might spark something inside the prison). Anyhow, a couple guys in the group were concealed in a treeline around 100 yards away and shot one of the cops who arrived, and the group scrammed, but didn't make it very far. The de facto leader of this group was allegedly (by the cops) doing some of this SRA-type stuff.
At any rate it accomplished nothing. It destroyed their own group. It may have scared some hoes around this group who will stay away from left stuff from here on out, not the least of which is because of intensified police scrutiny by state and federal police. But what was also interesting is that it didn't get much attention either, so to a certain extent I think the cops were probably alarmed by it and didn't want to draw too much attention.
>>2534096>Trump literally went from being a lifelong NY bourgeoisie blue team to the unquestioned god-king of the bourgeoisie red team in 1 election.1 not the same thing as a soldier of fortune demanding trust and support after an astroturfed change of heart
2 he wasn't a "lifelong democrat" he was well known for switching parties often and even ran as Reform Party candidate in Y2K
>>2534100>celtic dogooooooooooooohh
so there might be of a small redemption arc, after all.
>DID TO IRAQI WORKERS AND AFGHAN PEASANTS on behalf of MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONSyeah.
>>2534098MUST. PANDER. TO. THE. MOST. REACTIONARY. PREJUDICES. AND. PETTY. BOURGEOIS. FALSE. CONSCIOUSNESS. MUST. UPHOLD. IMPERIALISM. MUST. PROTECT. FORTRESS. AMERICA.
>>2534110why the dog pregnant with a coat hanger
>>2534108Bernie "leaving the left" in his 90s and endorsing the annexation of Canada lel
>>2534111he's not pandering, that's how he really feels
>>2534113he left the left in the 90s when he endorsed the NATO bombing of yugoslavia, the murder of everyone at a chinese embassy, and made a deal with the democrats to never support third party candidates in exchange for them leaving him alone in Vermont
>>2534092>guy who wants to vote for a nazi merc speaking about cognitive dissonancek bro
>>2534107>2 he wasn't a "lifelong democrat" he was well known for switching parties often and even ran as Reform Party candidate in Y2KTrump was in fact a lifelong Democrat. He ran on Reform but he was still a registered Democrat at the time.
>>2534109>2014god I hope no one finds my 4chan history from 2009
pic related is the same guy when he was in high school/college btw. which beliefs are his "real ones" I wonder?
>>2534111>THE. MOST. REACTIONARY. PREJUDICES.The most? I think reactionary prejudices on the US go far way beyond that.
>>2534098breaking news:
bernie sanders has announced he is now a MAGAcommunist and joinning the ACP
statement from chairman jackson hinkle incoming.
>>2534118ignored point 1 that switching from bourgeoisie blue team to bourgeiosie red team isn't the same as going up to the workers after being a war criminal and demanding their unconditional support in a campaign for power, while citing a vague St. Paul-like change of heart that happened less than 10 years ago as the impetus for your sudden desire to be a senator
>>2534110<Giant splotch of ink over the right breast>"Hmm, what sort of tattoo would be so heinous as to not allow any part of the pattern to be used for the coverup?"Everyone who sees that obvious cover, is gonna assume there was a giant Nazi swastika underneath
>>2534123>is gonna assume there was a giant Nazi swastika underneathwell that assumption wouldnt be far from the truth
bro worked for blackwater when trump was president first time. bro praised azov battlion when trump was president first time. bro is small business owner and home owner in white enclave state. bro did 4 tours of duty in war for natural resources against 2 countries that didn't attack america. but bro is salt of the earth duck dynasty astroturfed leftist, just like beau of the fake accent. you MVST trust him with all your heart or else you love palantir and ancient zionists.
>>2534122Sorry I wanted to reply to it but I don't really think it's my place to say whether he's sincere or not, nor do I particularly care since I'm not a Democrat.
I appreciate that he trained Socialists in how to use guns, and I appreciate that he's pushing the Democrats to the Left. That's about it. I couldn't care less about his true intentions if he's a secret Nazi just pretending to have a change of heart. Idunno why it's so hard for people on the Left to accept flawed individuals can still be politically useful, or even insincere individuals. You guys are abandoning materialism in favor of idealism and its kind of hopeless trying to argue with people about whether a candidate is "sincere" or not.
>>2534130>beau of the fake accentWhatever happened to that guy?
>>2534118platner strikes me as "most likely to do a school shooting" kind of incoherent politics, and well, i dont think it's far off considering he went on to kill brown people as a main occupation
>>2534132wasnt he a literal human trafficker
>>2534133funny, he got voted most likely to start a revolution in school
>>2534132he was revealed to be a human trafficker, so his wife took over his grift. Much like Ghislaine, you can't criticize the female partner of a human trafficker
>>2534103I'd say that, at the very least, America's more relaxed speech laws have some function when juxtaposed against this, but this admin and the last kind of put the nail in the coffin for that.
>>2534106Huh, didn't know about that. Just a brief look at social media and you'd think what we've got is just cops brutalizing people being met with "heheh, silly frog costume."
They they covered it up kind of reinforces a theory I've got that the most "effective" kind of leftist violence would have to be a kind of theatrical martyrdom. Not necessarily like Mishima but maybe cribbing some notes. Call it "Propaganda of The Deed" if you want, but if its just covered up and treated like it doesn't exist your only option is to make it a media spectacle; one you'd be unlikely to retain your freedom or life after.
But that's all hypothetical. At the end of the day I'm leaning more towards "the left should run radical political campaigns on the local level" as a useful activity at present.
>>2534139Yeah I agree trump has crushed free speech this time around.
>>2534136He's running to the Left of Janet Mills in the Maine Democratic Senate Primary, which makes him the most Left-wing candidate in Maine. What more do you expect?
He isn't America's Lenin. He's just some guy.
>>2534135>>2534138If I did shit like that, the last thing I would want is any kind of attention or notoriety. I don't know, that's just my opinion on it; if I was doing evil shit, I wouldn't start a Youtube channel, but there's a certain kind of person who can't help themselves.
I do remember people saying he was a fed, too. That was the feeling I got from him.
>>2534145>He's just some guy.yeah just a regular joe…
>>2534145>He's running to the Left of Janet MillsJanet Mills merely claims to be a Zionist
Platner actually volunteered to destroy The Middle East for Israel
Janet Mills hasn't gotten her sword wet with blood
Platner was still fighting for blackwater as recently as 2018
Janet Mills has nothing nice to say about Azov Battlion
Platner broadcasted his admiration for them on reddit
If you like redditor candidates so much, maybe you should go back to reddit, where shilling dems is the main activity?
is the dem candidate even going to win against whatever the reps put up and trump endorses?
>>2534148who among us did not do 4 tours of duty in an org where only 0.8% of Americans join, explicitly to fight an imperialist war based on lies against a country that didn't attack us, and then went on to work for blackwater, before starting a small business in sleepy maine and having a sudden change of heart mere years before running for a position of power?
>>2534152i hope platner wins so dems can finally be the party of blood and soil national "socialism" like they've always wanted to be. it's a RETVRN to their Jacksonian roots.
>>2534152I suspect Platner would actually have a better chance than Mills so the Dems are (deliberately) shooting themselves in the foot by trying to tank him. Probably why Palantir were so gungho about cooperating with the Dems on this, it suits their interest of electing Republicans.
>>2534139>Huh, didn't know about that. Just a brief look at social media and you'd think what we've got is just cops brutalizing people being met with "heheh, silly frog costume."You can read the DOJ's criminal complaint by searching for the ICE shooting in Alvarado, TX. They also magdumped towards some guards who came out of the building but didn't hit any of them. Anyhow the feds have been arresting other people who weren't even there, who had just associated with these guys, and a support committee formed for them:
https://dfwsupportcommittee.wordpress.com/
>They they covered it up kind of reinforces a theory I've got that the most "effective" kind of leftist violence would have to be a kind of theatrical martyrdom.For me it's still about "mass," like involving millions of people. Anyhow, anarchists get into a mindset where they think them getting their asses kicked by the cops in a public fashion will inspire something in the public who will spontaneously join in against the cops. But unfortunately I think a lot of people see the cops beating someone up and assume the person did something to deserve it, especially if they're dressed in all black like anarchists tend to do. Like say what you will about No Kings, but it's a different story when the cops are beating up on liberal boomers or people wearing frog costumes.
I think this speaks to the wider trend of self proclaimed socialists winning electoral seats seemingly spontaneously without coming from the socialist parties. in my opinion, for american socialists, the political climate has never been more favorable. Subconsciously, the people are ready
So what's the next step? I think we need to be harnessing this momentum and use an org to field candidates of our own, preferably one centered around a social media operation churning out tiktok vids as propaganda like a modern Iskra. I'll be in the west coast soon as I think that's gonna be a hotbed for agitation during the trump years
>>2534162>I think we need to be harnessing this momentum and use an org to field candidates of our own, preferably one centered around a social media operation churning out tiktok vids as propaganda like a modern Iskra.I agree with this, I feel like the Left is sorely lacking on political orgs that actually agitate and put out propaganda. DSA has almost no worthwhile social media presence.
>I'll be in the west coast soon as I think that's gonna be a hotbed for agitation during the trump yearsYeah I don't think anywhere else in the US has revolutionary potential rn except the west coast and maybe the midwest.
>>2534165That only works for fascists because both parties are aligned with them and therefore won't punish them. The government has no problem mass arresting/murdering leftists.
>>2534023>admired the azov battalion in 2019 (3 years before the war made them well known outside of ukraine) despite allegedly not know what a totenkopf wasBack in 2019, it was already well-known that Azov was a Neo-Nazi group with international connections to other Neo-Nazis, including in the USA itself.
>>2534165all publicity is good publicity
>>2534167>That only works for fascists because both parties are aligned with them and therefore won't punish them. The government has no problem mass arresting/murdering leftists.Then they arrest you for doing everything you could to try to, for example, build low income housing or force out ICE. Pick a good hill to die on and die on it. It'll highlight the hypocrisy of Trump being able to enrich himself illegally without restraint while the state pulls out all the stops to stop you from actually helping people.
I'm not saying this would necessarily be good for the person who does it; but for the wider movement? Absolutely.
>>2534176What if I don't want to die and want to live to see the revolution?
>>2534179You won't see the revolution without risking everything for it.
>>2534179Then it's not an option for you and you can direct your individual energy towards other means of organizing; even art co-ops can be useful for political organizing.
>>2534177>>2534185Burger lefties should unironically leave the country ASAP lol
>>2534185it would be really convenient for him to cancel the elections on the pretext of a difficult war with venezuela, convenient indeed
>>2534187I'll risk everything if it means killing fascists. I'm not gonna just go out there and let ICE kill me to make a political statement that won't amount to anything when the news cycle shifts. Revolutionary suicide doesn't work if you have no means of pressuring the bourgeois. You have to build power not just die like a dog.
yeah idk how this is even a question lmao this platner guy would be bad news even if he wasnt also retarded. i am generally "wait and see" as far as reformist efforts go and think you should always focus more on getting yourself involved in organizing instead of living in /isg/ world giving hot-takes. and i am fully against the psycho "felixites" on here going on about how all americans are irredeemable slop-eating pigdogs who are inherently responsible for the crimes of empire and need to throw themselves at machineguns asap to get into sakaist heaven
i am also a communist and this guy is an unrepetent enemy of the people of the world. he is not on an unapologetic agent of imperialism he by every indication has always enjoyed killing for empire and was excited to do more of it. if someone like this came to my org and it was up to me i'd say: if he seems genuinely remorseful and like hes open to education and reperation, lets take him on and have him working on projects and participating in political education as a prospective member under review for a couple years before hes allowed to sit in on meetings or vote, let alone hold leadership. it is insane to just endorse someone like this with no standards. its not just that he was a troop, theres are thousands of guys in Vets About Face and Iraq Vets Against the War and i would trust the most suspect of those over this guy any day because they got involved in something explicitly opposed to continuation of imperialist wars instead of just saying some vague "progressive" shit and immediately trying to run in a campaign
>>2534190He doesn't need to do that he'll just have ICE and the Texas/Florida national guard occupy every polling place in America to ensure he wins with 99% of the vote. And no one will stop him.
>>2534197elections are a risk. why have them at all if you're trump. in his mind they'd just rig it anyway
>>2534200Because the US political system is built on the facade of legitimacy. They NEED to have elections because if there's no election then they have no mandate to do all the horrible shit they're doing, and the people might revolt if not given the pressure release valve of an election.
Giving a fake election is preferable because then you can muddy the waters over whether it was "rigged" or not, and gaslight libs claiming it's rigged by saying "oh I thought you said elections can't be rigged back in 2020 dumb libtard serves you right" and other Fox News nonsense. It's exactly what they're going to do.
You have to understand that America's politics is almost entirely built on spite and manufacturing consent.
>>25341891.There is literally no where to go.
2.A lot of lefties can’t go in the first place, partly because of affordability, partly because they already started locking things down and attempting to leave now will probably get you nabbed at this point.
3. It’s generally just a bad idea to leave without at least some effort put into being actual opposition.
4. One does not simply leave fascism
>>2534205He don’t care. He’ll go at the problem with a sledgehammer, and that will be that.
>>2534208That's not spiteful enough. Trump is extremely spiteful, and his voters even moreso.
>>2534082Platner, by his own admission, joined the military to kill people for fun.
>>2534205he'll try to do it legitimately, but if he can't stay in power, Bannon was clear trump would do anything to make sure he would
>>2534190Christ, I'm so sick of Trump. I'm tired of the entire body politic being reduced down to him and whatever he apparently does or decides to do. I come here to escape this great man theory horse shit.
If Trump were to pursue a third term and it be realistically entertained by the rest of the government in any way, that's a symptom of a much deeper and more serious disease than just "king Trump."
>>2534211You’re right. He’ll also get the groypers at homeland security to make a few more fashwave edits of him.
>>2534206You should at the very least move to California or NY if you can because the south is going to be completely purged of anyone Left of Hitler in the next 3 years.
>>2534212twelve years ago. I havent seen any recent post shrooms comments like that
>>2534220Im gonna be honest: no, I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever forgive someone for literally murdering in cold blood for fucking fun, and I think you should have toothpicks shoved under your eyelids for this.
>>2534219Oh my god, not the Californian again.
>>2534217the supreme court already bowed to trump, what more proof do you need that he's an authoritarian
>>2534222Ask Houdini about how his quest to radicalize Florida went
>>2534221alright, I don't have a problem with that. still a personal issue doe
>>2534221You don't have to forgive someone to provide critical support you retard.
>>2534227I do not think he will be useful nor do I want to give him critical support.
>>2534229>I do not think he will be usefulhe literally volunteered to train the SRA
>>2534232What does this have to do with getting into the Senate?
>>2534223Learn to read you stupid asshole.
>>2534232go vote for platner. nobody's stopping you and none of the people rightly shitting on him ITT live in maine anyway.
>>2534224Let me put things plainly: if people have to evacuate the south as a whole, California is not long for this world either. Do you have any idea how bad things would have to be to lose the whole south? Really bad. All the cities in the south oppose the administration. All of them. A lot of the towns too. If they got overwhelmed somehow, we’re all doomed.
>>2534170that's even worse then
3 of my family members who voted for drumpf regret it.
>>2534227except when anyone is critical at all they get accused of being a palantir shill who secretly wants janet mills to win, even if they explicitly tell you to go ahead and vote for him and just don't be surprised when you get a fell for it again award
>>2534237as a south carolinian this isn't true at all
From the pastor that said God killed Charlie Kirk before Satan could make him oppose Israel…
Shane Vaughn Claims The Constitution Was Designed To Make Trump A Kinghttps://www.peoplefor.org/rightwingwatch/shane-vaughn-claims-constitution-was-designed-make-trump-king
>There are few MAGA activists as blindly committed to President Donald Trump than pastor Shane Vaughn, who openly admits to being a "cult follower" of the president.
>As such, it was really only a matter of time before Vaughn began openly advocating for Trump to become a dictator, as he did during a recent podcast.
>Relying upon a profoundly ahistorical interpretation of the founding of the United States, Vaughn absurdly claimed that the Founding Fathers wanted the create a monarchy but knew that the American people would not stand for it. As such, Vaughn asserted that the Founder therefore intentionally structured the Constitution in such a way as to guarantee intractable gridlock, thereby paving the way for someone like Trump to one day rise up and seize dictatorial authority.
<"Donald Trump was prophesied, or predicted rather, by the Founding Fathers of our nation," Vaughn claimed. "Our Founding Fathers prayed for a strong man like Donald Trump."
<"In fact, they wanted a strong man like Donald Trump," Vaughn continued. "Someone that would bring salvation to a nation. Someone that would cut through the noise and steer the ship when the crew is too busy fighting with each other to even row out of harbor."
<"There is a reason that the Founders created institutional gridlock," Vaughn said. "Because they knew if they created these institutional gridlocks, it would force Americans to choose a king, a strong man, when the system broke down and they would all get what they secretly wanted from the beginning: a monarchy."
<"A man that could rise above the institutions—the Congress, the Supreme Court, the Senate—and could take the wheel and save a nation from democracy," he continued. "The separation of powers, checks and balances, federalism, all of that creates paralysis in normal times. The only way to break the deadlock of the separation of powers, checks and balances, federalism is through strong executive action. That's why you see Donald Trump signing executive orders like a dictator, because somebody had to take the wheel and pull us out of this gridlock created by our Founding Fathers. And they created it to produce a king."
<"America needed exactly what our Founders intended: a strong man, a king who would break the deadlock and get America moving forward," Vaughn declared. "His name Donald Trump."Welp, there's the ideological structure of Christo-Fascism for ya.
>>2534241i watched a toddler the other day headbutt the floor. she started crying, then thought about it for a few seconds, did it again, then cried even harder. it was the most american thing i've ever seen
>>2534227Critical support is for oppressed groups or AES states that are under siege by imperialism that may or may not have some flaws, not for a burger reich merc with nazi tattoos.
>>2534237>Do you have any idea how bad things would have to be to lose the whole south?Bro we lost the whole south like 50 years ago. What are you even talking about?
>All the cities in the south oppose the administration. All of them. A lot of the towns too.What meaningful opposition has come out of Austin or Nashville or Jackson etc? All those big cities may vote Dem but they aren't meaningfully resisting Republican autocracy, at all. Austin regularly just has to eat shit whenever the Texas legislature decides to fuck with them. They have zero means of resistance.
>>2534243What do you mean by this exactly? Explain yourself.
>>2534206>1.There is literally no where to go. There is an entire planet outside the US, believe it or not.
>>2534254Cause Hispanic and trump is wrecking Hispanics.
>>2534252there are no dems down here, its republicucked to the bone, even in the cities. trump won't even send the natguard down here
>>2534257An entire planet that is also dominated by global capital and elites with similar aspirations to the ones in America.
>>2534257getting another citizenship elsewhere is for rich people
>>2534162>So what's the next step? I think we need to be harnessing this momentum and use an org to field candidates of our own, preferably one centered around a social media operation churning out tiktok vids as propaganda like a modern Iskra. I'll be in the west coast soon as I think that's gonna be a hotbed for agitation during the trump yearsfed post
stop trying to do shit and just shitpost all day instead
>>2534263Okay you’re just doomer pilled. I thought we were going to have discussion on the intricacies of gerrymandering and how the picture of the American south actually. But no, you’re just a doomer.
>>2534196not to get too into it but I have a bunch of military family members on one side, all of them are unrepentant imperialist lapdogs and still consider guys like graham complete psychos. There big on combat not being fun or glamorous and not something to be romanticized to the point of making fun of dudes with a gazillion IM A VET LOOK AT ME STICKERS on there Ram 2017 crowdkiller and write them off as people who have never seen actual combat. So even by the standards of troops that fully support the GWOT he's a bit much for their taste.
>>2534269Gerrymandering? The supreme court is about to kill the Voting Rights Act of 1965 which gives Dems their advantage. the south will be permanently red just in time for the midterms. it's over for the south, the west is the future
>>2534264Incorrect. The national bourgeoisies of oppressed nations are far more leftist than an american can fathom. Capitalism is a western scam and the Socialist camp has already destroyed capitalism within itself.
>>2534268i could never hope to be happy in life doing that
>>2534269your idealism is unironically going to be the death of the left
<hm should we concentrate power where it's easier to organize and encourage people to come together and build left-wing power centers that can counter the right's insanity?<no, let us continue stubbornly refusing to do anything while the nazis continue expanding their power all over the country because the left has been firmly divided and conquered for generationsi know you think you're gonna build the revolution in your tiny town that voted 99% for Trump by just manifesting an army of 100,000 disciplined revolutionary marxists out of thin air in Alabama, but that isn't gonna happen. either join a viable left-wing movement or at least stop discouraging others from doing so. Right now the west coast is the best place to build power without being raided by the glowies because of Trump's political spat against the west coast creating conditions for civil war. take advantage of it instead of this dumb regional pissing contest.
>>2534269https://www.econlib.org/why-are-there-zero-republican-mega-cities/https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-05-21/republicans-have-given-up-on-citieshttps://www.aei.org/op-eds/why-do-republican-leaders-hate-cities/https://lpeproject.org/blog/the-political-economy-of-the-urban-rural-divide/In addition
>>2534275>The supreme court is about to kill the Voting Rights Act of 1965 which gives Dems their advantage. the south will be permanently red just in time for the midterms.K, I’m not a reformist. I was referring suppressed population numbers that are against republicans when I mentioned gerrymandering.
>it's over for the south, the west is the futureYou still haven’t had your big one yet by the way.
>>2534264Yeah but in other countries there is still rule of law and you wont get sent into a concentration camp if you post "free palestine" on the internet. Unless you are retarded enough flee to Europe lol.
>>2534267not true.
>>2534264not true either.
>>2534269As far as NC is concerned, the Democrats have pretty much abandoned the state after Obama carried it consecutively. They let the Republicans gerrymander themselves permanently into power and they have no intentions of trying to undo that.
With regards as to what to do about it, dual power absolutely has to be built. Since 08 the Republicans have been having their way to the detriment of just about everyone. NC used to be the most progressive state in the south with a world class state uni system, generous benefits programs, great public schools. All that's been flushed down the toilet, and that's the least of it. Everyone is desperate and no one is getting ahead. Rent is through the roof and the government refuses to do anything about it. Food is going up. Gas is still expensive, basically negating the "good" jobs that have come here.
So as far as gerrymandering goes here, it is at the very least a fact. The only solution the Dems have for it is the same they always have: let the Republicans have their way until people get sp sick of them that there's no choice but to vote blue. That means that our only option is to start building the kind of groups now that can collectively deal with these problems when they finally rupture into catastrophe.
>>2534285name a single country that will give me permanent citizenship for free
>>2534276This, just because they are all dominated by global capital it doesnt mean they are all like the US wtf lol
the same losers bringing up Platners past while ignoring Zionist Janet Mills are the same people who deepthroat Dengoid Capitalist cock and Russian Nazi cock and/or unironic Palantir shills trying to make the outsider candidate lose. Vote platner if you live in maine or shut the fuck up zigger
>>2534281>Right now the west coast is the best place to build power without being raided by the glowiesAnd you accuse him of being an idealist. The West coast isn't any better off than any other place in the US.
>>2534281>i know you think you're gonna build the revolution in your tiny townIs Dallas a tiny town. Houston a tiny town? New Orleans a tiny? What about Miami? Or Atlanta?
You come to me with presumption that speak of defending tiny towns when I instead speak of defending some of the most populated places in the united states. Funny is it not?
>>2534177There's a strong chance he could die midway through or even before a hypothetical third term. These people act like he's going to live forever and thus haven't even picked a successor.
>>25336804th of july = force of jew lie
>>2534294I standby what I said you tard. If you think the libs are any softer on socialists because their desire to censor the internet conflicts with their porn industries then you're the one that needs to get real.
>>2534287Why do you want citizenship? Do you want to leave forever? MIGA will eventually lose power.
>>2534294>muh porn>>2534289erm glow much?
>>2534291Those places have no means to resist. They are ALREADY occupied by fascists dude. Dallas, Houston, Austin are all at the mercy of the Texas legislature and the literal felon attorney general. What do you propose we do for those cities?
It's funny how we can openly accept that for example illegal immigrants or minorities life is unquestionably better in blue states than it is in red states and they should try to flee to blue states to protect their livelihood if at all possible, but when it comes to The Left I guess we should just suck it up and not consider our own safety.
>>2534287>name a single country that will give me permanent citizenship for free>>2534276>>2534288>>2534284Name a country
>>2534297>erm glow much?you glow faggot, just like the dengoid eastern chauvinist mods who ban anyone who doesn't fall in line deepthroating dengoid cock
>>2534297no I'm in it for the long haul baby
>>2533764you live in florida you faggot. keep platner out of your mouth. you live in a red state and want zio mills to win. dengoid cocksucker
>>2534299idk about the citizenship but some countries in latam are fine unless brown people give you the ick
>>2534300>>2534299>>2534305guys we got a new tor user schizo poster on USApol to add to the evergrowing list. "eastern chauvinist" is a nice bit very fresh compared to "every american is le bad(except for me im one of the good ones)" shit we've been getting recently or back when we had that one guy talking about how neolib austerity was actually a good thing.
>>2534305lol are you the retard that was spamming anti-china slop the other day?
>>2534307the mods literally are eastern chauvinist dengoids. they banned me for not sucking enough dengoid cock and they always pretend russian nazis are superior to ukrainian nazis. now they're banning people for supporting based anti-war platner against the zio cocksucker mills. fuck off zigger. why can't you faggots just be normal
>>2534309they sell more weapons to israel than literally any other country you eastern chauvinist
>>2534310i thought the mods were nafoids
>>2534287>>2534287there are plenty of countries that give you citizenship over time, some may take a long time, some others not so much, but damn, there are some, like Argentina, Uruguay, Ireland, Colombia, Mexico, Venezuela, and god knows how many more. look "residence-based" citizenship countries, and you should see many.
>>2534310ooohh soo scurry bet you feel like a big tough guy lmao
>>2534313>To get a residency-based visa in Mexico, you can apply for temporary or permanent residency, often based on proving economic solvency through sufficient income or savings. lol come on
>>2534312it's literally the opposite. they're dengoid cocksuckers who tolerate Eastern Chauvinists shilling China who sell more weapons to Israel than literally every other country. They are literally more genocidal against Muslims than America is. Look at Xinjiang you stupid faggot.
>>2534315not an argument eastoid chauvinist
>>2534318is either that or el salvador, gringo
better start robbing banks like stalin or something
>>2534313>To get an Argentina residency visa, you can apply for a temporary visa like the Rentista visa, which requires proving a stable passive income from abroad (e.g., $2,000 per month), or other temporary residency options. This shit just proves getting a second permanent citizenship in another country is a privilege only for rich people
>>2534318it's
free. not in the sense of
here, we give them like candy free, but is free.
>>2534325its kinda funny cuz "just move bro" is exactly what Ben Shapiro said wrt to climate change and sea level rise.
>>2534318>>2534325If immigration were as easy as showing up on their doorstep and asking for citizenship we'd all be collecting neetbux from the Norwegian pension system. What did you guys expect?
No one is gonna save you from your home country going fascist. Your only option is to flee to the least fascist parts and continue the fight over what little non-fascist territory remains. Or capitulate I guess.
why do you think trump has decided to target only colombia's president&co. instead of the whole country as is his wont?
https://colombiareports.com/us-backtracks-on-colombia-aid-cuts-and-tariffs-will-sanction-petro-instead-senator/only because this gusano says he convinced him of it? doubt it
Journalist are worthless. I went thru platner entire reddit history and found at least 30-40 post that makes him look horrible. No journalist talked about them they just mentioned he made some gay joke and talked about black guys tipping. Total journo death
>>2534332China sells more STUFF to Israel than America does but not more weapons. America sells way more weapons. They also give Israel free weapons and intelligence and logistical support. Xinjiang bullshit was made up by Adrian Zenz. You're just straight up lying dude.
>>2534319>Look at Xinjiang you stupid faggotLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
>>2534325that's not right, you are conflating
visa with citizenship. here is the Argentinian text on citizenship:
https://www2.hcdn.gob.ar/export/hcdn/secparl/dgral_info_parlamentaria/dip/archivos/Ley_346_TA.pdfTITLE II
Naturalized Citizens
**Article 2 - The following are naturalized citizens:
***1. Foreigners over EIGHTEEN (18) years of age who prove they have resided in the ARGENTINE REPUBLIC in accordance with the current immigration regulatory framework, as permanent or temporary residents, continuously for the TWO (2) years prior to the application and who have expressed their willingness to do so before federal judges.
pp. 3-4.
it might have some bureaucratic bumps, bur
>>2534286>That means that our only option is to start building the kind of groups now that can collectively deal with these problems when they finally rupture into catastrophe.No disagreements here.
>>2534298>Those places have no means to resist.Guns
>Those places have no means to resist. They are ALREADY occupied by fascists dude. So is the rest of the country
>Dallas, Houston, Austin are all at the mercy of the Texas legislature and the literal felon attorney general. What do you propose we do for those cities?Revolution
>It's funny how we can openly accept that for example illegal immigrants or minorities life is unquestionably better in blue states than it is in red states and they should try to flee to blue states to protect their livelihood if at all possibleThis is generally correct for illegal immigrants, but it is no absolute for minorities, especially when you factor in the gentrification of blue states.
>but when it comes to The Left I guess we should just suck it up and not consider our own safety.There’s considering your own safety, and then there’s just being an irrational coward.
>>2534334They're only allowed to talk about what Palantir, Israel, and the Democratic Party say to focus on. Journalists are just an arm of the propaganda war. There are no honest journalists left in America. They all work for someone.
>>2534336these guys always play the anti-imperialist, anti-all sides, but show their true colours when they regurtitate state dept propaganda
>>2534343its a pretty funny image
>>2534340Argentina is only gonna let me in with a visa which they only give to old people students and porky with money at home
>>2534343>GENOOOOCIDEEEE!! REEDUCATION IS LE GENOCIEEEEEDDEEEEE!!!Sorry but that doesn't work this isn't reddit
>>2534346>it's funny that mao's legacy is tarnished by dengoid eastern chauvinist zionist labubu peddling gacha game peddling consumerist cockroachesif you say so faggot
>>2534345nice hasbara zionist cocksucker. don't reply again until china stops selling more weapons to israel than any other country you stupid faggot. national socialism with commodity form characteristics supporting FAGGOT
lenin would have hung you with no slack and watched you struggle and shit yourself
>>2534349go back to r/thedeprogram dengoid cocksucker
>>2534348well, I was asked about free permanent citizenship.
it's not my fault they all have some bumpy roads, and come with some small letters.
>>2534310>the mods literally are eastern chauvinist dengoids.wtf i love the mods now!?
>>2534350>>2534352>>2534354Samefag award. I can feel the seething mouth-frothing retardation through the screen… Indian hands are writing these posts.
God i love markets
>>2534357thats racist you chud!
>>2534352I’m pretty sure they stopped being dengist even before they were banned
>>2534354>i posted REAL trade statistics PROVING dengoids sell more weapons to israel than all other countries combined???
You can't read your own graph. It says they sell more commodities to Israel than any other country, not weapons. It sucks and they should stop but it's not anything close to the unconditional and free support the USA provides, in addition to the weapons the USA sells to them.
DWAB (Deng was always based)
>>2534361can someone post the version of this graph that has a chud in the US section?
>>2534354(You)
here,
>>2534361, have some real statistics.
>>2534357> i love gargling zionist dengoid zigger cockvery cool faggot, keep it to yourself
>>2534361fake graph, i posted real trade statistics, not this british media bullshit
the sneedening
>>2534341>This is generally correct for illegal immigrants, but it is no absolute for minorities, especially when you factor in the gentrification of blue states.How many black men have been lynched in California this year?
>There’s considering your own safety, and then there’s just being an irrational coward.I'm trying to point out to you that the average citizen is not trying to build a revolution but trying to survive. Revolutions come about through material conditions, that is the core of Marxist thought. You aren't gonna create a revolution out of thin air. People are fighting for their own survival all the time. They aren't cowards. When they have no other options left, THEN they will revolt, but until then they will continue taking the most viable path to ensure their own survival. But discouraging them from taking the options in front of them as some suicidal plan to "win back the South" is ridiculous.
I'm not trying to shit on the South here when I say we should focus on the West coast. I'm trying to build a viable plan for building collective power. You point out all these "power centers" in the South like Austin, but those are all small blips in MAGA land that are easily overpowered by their surrounding fascists.
But imagine you relocated the entire population of Austin to somewhere where they are free to organize, and let them bring their experience from living under Republican authoritarianism to places that are, for lack of a better term, completely naive to how bad Republican occupation can be, and we could genuinely build something that achieves shit. Because for all the "good" of living in California or NY free of Republican tyranny, there also comes a complacency from thinking they're safe from fascism, and the only solution is to bring in activists from the rest of the country that have wanted to get shit done their entire lives but didn't have the resources that California has.
How is this a bad plan exactly? What would a better plan be? Because I don't see spontaneous revolution in the South happening anytime soon. Meanwhile California just had the Marines come in and launch missiles damaging a highway and the average California lib is extremely ready to secede. I know pic related is a joke but we should unironically take advantage of the extreme anti-Trump atmosphere of blue states to promote Leftism. It's at least more likely to work than building it in the MAGA heartland.
>>2534370not readin allat+ your fundamentally the same as the anon who insists the PRC is a communist utopia beyond reproach or criticism in every single way shape and form LMAO
>>2534366The boxes respect my boxes!!
>look at boxes>665m$ in explosive ammunition from the US>Weapons either too small or non existent in chinese exampleThis is the REAL DATA…. I kneel….
>>2534374that guys mind broke down
>>2534283How can communists appeal to rural places? Most stuff communists talk about is urban focus
>>2534382
big mad lol
>>2534378Big business preys on the countryside also. If it weren't for government subsidies rural US would be a wasteland monopolized by conagra and bill gates.
>>2534379
>>2534385
>they sell drones too
ok let me look
>192million in aircraft parts (which includes drones) in us trade
>Same section isn't even visible on chinese example
???
You are schizophrenic retard
>>2534378with hospitals being shut down I think healthcare and pharma in general could be used as leverage
>>2534336>China sells more STUFF to Israel than America does but not more weaponsChina is DESTROYING Palestinians by selling semen milking machines to cruel Zionist dominatrix women
>>2534386>You are schizophrenic retardHe really isnt much different from the average dengseether
>>2534386it isn't visible because the dengoid zionist cocksucking eastern chauvinists sell so much more stuff to israel in general that most of the subcategries are dwarfed by the sheer volume you dishonest statisticly illiterat dengoid zionist zigger eastern cocksucking chauvinist
keep shilling porky in red paint FAGGOT
>>2534387>muh south parkreddit is down the hall and to the left dengoid
>>2534390shut the fuck up zionist faggot
>>2534391>All the other NON WEAPON commodities they sell are simply too big!! >B-B-BUt they still sell more than the US! Because… I said so, OK??!!!??!!! DENGOID CHAUVINIST! LOLLLLLLLLL
>>2534378you know what strategy Chavez and AMLO used? they went to talk to the impoverished marginalized communities in their respective countries (Venezuela, Mexico). They won so many rural support, people welcomed them. By simply listening, because that's the issue, no one listens them, you gain a lot. of course, it'd take a bunch of money to go around the US, but each state might have its own chapter with one leader going around.
from there you'd have answers.
>>2534393>destroy americayou have to DESTROY CAPITALISM stupid dengoid faggot, this means supporting all proles against all bourgeois governments, including chinese proles against genocidal dengoid zigger zionist revisionism
i am the only principled communist here
>>2534396>i love cocksucking genocidal dengoid zigger zionist revisionismthat's obvious . tell me something new
>>2534399Post proof or go back to r/hongkong FAGGGOTTTTTT
>>2534403
You r BTFO faggot it's time to pack up and head back to r/worldnews
>>2534371>How many black men have been lynched in California this year? How many can afford to move to California?
>I'm trying to point out to you that the average citizen is not trying to build a revolution but trying to survive. unfortunately for your narrative, the average citizen is more ideological than they may seem. And any aims at survival are lining up quite well with revolutionary goals at the moment.
>Revolutions come about through material conditions, that is the core of Marxist thought. You aren't gonna create a revolution out of thin air. I don’t intend to.
>People are fighting for their own survival all the time. They aren't cowards.you however are an especially panicky one.
>When they have no other options left, THEN they will revolt, but until then they will continue taking the most viable path to ensure their own survival. They don’t have any other options left.
>But discouraging them from taking the options in front of them as some suicidal plan to "win back the South" is ridiculous.Your babbling about evacuating millions of people from major cities to flee from a numerically disadvantaged and incompetent enemy without a single act of resistance is ridiculous.
>I'm not trying to shit on the South here when I say we should focus on the West coast. That was your intent. Your actual execution is horrendous.
>I'm trying to build a viable plan for building collective power. And you are failing by working against the material conditions you have to work with; instead creating one of the most idealist plots I have ever heard of.
>You point out all these "power centers" in the South like Austin, but those are all small blips in MAGA land that are easily overpowered by their surrounding fascists.These power centers are surrounded by more sparsely populated rural areas. And cities like Austin are no small blip. To think otherwise is to be deluded.
>But imagine you relocated the entire population of Austin to somewhere where they are free to organize, and let them bring their experience from living under Republican authoritarianism to places thatAre also under republican authoritarianism mixed with democratic authoritarianism. There is no free place to organize in the united states.
>for lack of a better term, completely naive to how bad Republican occupation can be, and we could genuinely build something that achieves shitYou will build a den of cowards, and nothing more.
>Because for all the "good" of living in California or NY free of Republican tyrannyNeither are free from Democratic or republican tyranny.
>there also comes a complacency from thinking they're safe from fascism, and the only solution isThat the activists already there need to start pulling their weight, and going on the defense.
>How is this a bad plan exactly? What would a better plan be? Because I don't see spontaneous revolution in the South happening anytime soon.You don’t pay attention to the happenings in the south. That is why.
>Meanwhile California just had the Marines come in and launch missiles damaging a highway and the average California lib is extremely ready to secede. I know pic related is a joke but we should unironically take advantage of the extreme anti-Trump atmosphere of blue states to promote Leftism.And ignore the extreme anti Trump energy in the south? I think not.
>It's at least more likely to work than building it in the MAGA heartland.I have a bridge to sell you if you think a place like Houston is MAGA heartland
>>2534408>extreme anti Trump energy in the south?Where? I'm not even gonna argue about big cities vs small towns at this point but just genuinely ask where is the anti-Trump resistance in the South? Even those blue cities aren't resisting Trump.
Just as an example, the South completely banned abortion all at once and none of those blue cities put up any resistance. There are zero abortion clinics still operating in Austin or Houston or Dallas. Where is the resistance?
>>2534410>Even those blue cities aren't resisting Trump.They are. The reason you say this is because you are ignorant of the activities going on in said blue cities. There were protests literally a couple of days ago.
>There are zero abortion clinics still operating in Austin or Houston or DallasAnd Gavin Newsom is still trying to toss out the homeless
>>2534414>They are. The reason you say this is because you are ignorant of the activities going on in said blue cities. There were protests literally a couple of days ago.Protesting in the designated protest zone is not resistance.
>>2534415>Protesting in the designated protest zone is not resistance.There was an attack on an ICE facility last week. You don’t do any research whatsoever do you?
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/texas/news/two-men-involved-in-ice-attack-in-north-texas-officially-charged-and-linked-to-antifa-terrorism/ >>2534409☠️lmao
this is what christfag zionists believe.
>>2534414>They are.You mean the interpretive dancing they were doing at the DNC rally funded by DNC super pacs, also known as "No Tyrants"
Yes sir, the resistance is going to wait a couple of years to VOTE (wooo). We're going to vote so hard for the DNC, the same DNC that voted against impeaching Trump, because they support all of his neoliberal agenda. that's the true resistance, we just gotta wait for that nazi tattoo Jason Blaha guy to win and then the FASCISTS ARE DONE
>>2534420Don’t butt into a conversation you don’t understand the context of, pancakes. The other person in this conversation is actively advocating for the evacuation of millions of the south without a fight because they’re too skittish of their own fantasies.
I am simply arguing that the west is not the end all be all of revolutionary development, and that the south has plenty of potential of it’s own while.
I feel glad that my intuition was spot on that the No Kings protest was a psyop counter-revolutionary "demonstration" that was never going to amount to an iota of shit. I have no faith in any political process in this country, be it rightoid or "left". Fucking christ PLEASE quantum teleport me to the timeline where the USSR won and socialism was on the rise and winning.
>>2534424>Fucking christ PLEASE quantum teleport me to the timeline where the USSR won and socialism was on the rise and winning.Plot twist: this is the timeline
>>2534425cope, this is the "bad ending" timeline where capitalism one and we have to suffer the absurd consequences
>>2534409I thought we were all equals under the eyes of God?
>>2534429Based Dengist retard
>>2534426That's not very dialectical comrade
>>2534426>this is the "bad ending" timeline where capitalism oneCapitalism did win. Over feudalism. And that was a necessary stage to lay the groundwork for a communist victory over capitalism.
>>2534424>Fucking christ PLEASE quantum teleport me to the timeline where the USSR won and socialism was on the rise and winning.I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but I have visited every other timeline and in every single one of them the USSR collapses.
>>2534439>muh open bordersWhen will this meme die
>>2534436Plot twist: the USSR collapses because full communism has been achieved in all those timelines and thus there's no need for a socialist state anymore.
>>2534440When have they ever been open at all?
>>2534433How is it not? Unless then you're saying that it's not Marxist then fine. I disagree with Marx that capitalism eventually comes undone from all the inner contradictions. We've seen time and time again where the system subsumes the contradictions and turns them into more profit for the bourgeoise. There is no hope.
>>2534443My point exactly. It's just a meme for anti immigrant racists to pretend like darkies can just waltz in and take jobs and healthcare.
>>2534260Yes the fact that the average leftypoler doesn't even include climate change at all in their analysis of the world is proof positive that none of them are serious. Climate change is an existential threat to human civilization and we MAYBE have fifty years before it gets so bad it cannot be fixed. Either we overthrow capitalism within our lifetimes or we doom all future generations to genocide.
The average leftypoler is perfectly fine with that trade off.
>>2534448canadcuck-amerimutt war when
>>2534449Climate change is a paper tiger
>>2534449>Either we overthrow capitalism within our lifetimes or we doom all future generations to genocide. Marxists have chosen consumerist Labubu Dengist neoliberalism rather than degrowth (which of course China has been pioneering, but no decadent western Marxist would ever lower themselves to learn actual materialist science about physics or chemistry. They're too busy talking about art and culture with Contrapoints)
>>2534448Thanks Doug Ford.
>>2534454How is China pioneering degrowth?
>>2534454Degrowth isn't necessary, we have had the technology necessary to permanently fix climate change since the 1950s, but we aren't allowed to use it thanks to coal and oil companies.
>>2534454>degrowthThis is a pretty disingenuous way to refer to targeted population decline and/or genocide.
Also climate change would be solved overnight if the burger empire collapsed. Nowhere else in the world is there so much waste and pollution. The combined efforts of the rest of the world is literally just meant to offset the lack of effort on the part of Americans, and it won't work as Americans will just ramp up consumption to maintain the plan of making Earth uninhabitable so people like Thiel and Musk can shill their Mars colonization plan.
>>2534459what technology?
>>2534465>This is a pretty disingenuous way to refer to targeted population decline and/or genocide.Was the one child policy genocide?
>>2534473Arguably yes against the Han population
amerikkka is promoting degrowth by concentrating all their wealth on a single speculatory commodity, graphics cards
>>2534478yeah, I know, what got me impressed was the reason behind.
>>2534482not disagreeing and i hope he follows through with it tbh
>>2534460Mao said nuclear bombs are paper tigers. Mao said if nuclear bombs wiped out half of humanity, Communism would surely triumph. Climate change is no different. The imperialist says humanity has 50 years left and "we" are all doomed, but they project the fate of imperialists onto humankind.
>>2534487both statements are retarded
>>2534448this is an act of war! invade canadia. annex canada
>>2534492I don't entirely agree with the CPUSA guy but maybe it's a good sign that these kinds of discussions are becoming more mainstream?
>>2534501Nothing to do with nuclear power, which uses uranium. If we put more money into it we'd have Thorium tractors now too.
>>2534496that doesn't "fix" climate change, that just stops it from getting worse
>>2534513Oh hey my favorite liberal zionist slop drama youtuber!
Love that guy.
Partially related: do you guys have any recommendations of people similar to badempanada.
I was thinking Ethan Klien since they both agree that zionist = jew, but idk what do you guys think
>>2534516eventually the rest of the world is gonna get their hands dirty dealing with america and maybe you'll sing a different tune
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>>2534525>>2534523Yeah, America is Mordor and all the Free Peoples of Middle Earth will unite against it in the battle of the Final Alliance of Elves and Men and whatever other Maoist make-believe RottenChalupa is pushing right now. America totally isn't in a steep decline of its own making right now and will likely stop being the world hegemon by simple virtue of its own fuckups.
>>2534503Literally has everything to do with nuclear power but okay.
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