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>>2535903Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trolls
Not reporting is bourgeois
Violators will be launched from trebuchet
voting isnt real guys cmon lmao
>>2538009>>2538009America surrenders China saves the world
>>2538009They'll have dirty and hot sex
>>2537992Funny meme but I really can't get into Neutral Milk Hotel because it is so incredibly millennial-core. I picture man buns and moustache tattoos in my head the moment I hear any of their tracks.
Pic related is the better /mu/core album that was shilled back then.
>>2538045GY!BE literally titled their last album after the number of people killed in the Gaza genocide, can't get more based than that.
>>2538031/USApol/, times are dark, what have you been reading lately?
>>2538019Literally more evidence that American Christianity just replaced God with the ego and American mythos.
>>2538045that album is from 1997 and was written by a Gen Xer
>man buns and moustache tattoos all boomers were hippies who wore bell bottoms type understanding
>>2538019This mf probably "converted" to catholicism after watching WH40K memes and Baldwin IV fashwave edits.
>>2538045I like ITAOTS. And GY!BE. The epitome of unbearable, critically acclaimed Millennial-core music is arguably Arcade Fire, particularly their albums Funeral and The Suburbs. If you liked that album once and haven't listened to it in 10+ years, try it again, the Millennial miasma will smack you right in the fucking face.
i sure love the endless cycle of
WHEN IT COMES OUT:
>I LOVE THIS MUSIC
10 YEARS LATER:
<EW THIS MUSIC IS CORNY AND REPRESENTS THE CRINGE GENERATION WHO RUINED EVERYTHING FOR ME
20-40 YEARS LATER:
>ACTUALLY I LOVE THIS MUSIC ITS EPIC AND NOSTALGIC
40+ YEARS LATER:
<LITERALLY WHO?
>>2538094I like Arcade Fire.
<Milei’s Party on Track to Win Argentina Midterms in Big Comebackhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2025-10-26/argentina-midterm-elections?leadSource=uverify%20wallWell looks like we have to bail out Argentina
>>2538104You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a divorced dad.
>millenial man bun discourse
funny thing, i never had a man bun during peak man bun years. i actually had a short normie male haircut. not even the fashy fade or the pidgeotto or the broccoli. just short normie hair. I only finally got a man bun during covid when I let my hair grow out. which it wasn't even because of quarantine, I had been cutting my own hair for years at that point. After washing it and drying it, I found putting it in a bun felt better than even having short hair. I got a little judgement from the homies for it but they would double roast me if I let the criticism get to me and cut it off so
>>2538104We must never let libertarians and libs live this down
Through the shutdown of the federal government, around 13,000 air traffic controllers and about 50,000 Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officers must work without pay during the shutdown, as Republicans and Democrats remain deadlocked over passing a federal budget.
“This shutdown has real consequences for these hard-working American patriots,” said Nick Daniels, President of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA), in a statement last week. “With each passing day, controllers become more distracted by the risk of receiving a zero-dollar paycheck on 28 October, despite working 40 hours per week and, in many cases, mandatory overtime due to the controller staffing shortage.”
Air traffic controllers received a paycheck two weeks ago at around 90% of their regular pay, but Tuesday will mark their first fully unpaid pay period for work in October.
Duffy noted air traffic controllers have been taking on second jobs to try to supplement the lost income.
“They’re taking second jobs, they’re out there looking,” he said.
The FAA is around 3,500 air traffic controllers short of targeted staffing levels, which had many to work mandatory overtime and six-day weeks before the shutdown began.
The shutdown also forced employees in training at the FAA Academy in Oklahoma to be sent home on 3 October.
“It can take three to five years to fully train a technician,” said Dave Spero, President of the Professional Aviation Safety Specialists, AFL-CIO (Pass), which represents 11,000 employees at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and Department of Defense. “Any lapse in training can push the clock back, as it did during the academy’s closure during the pandemic.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/26/air-traffic-controller-shortages-shutdown>>2538107Trump literally threatened to withhold the money if Argentina didn't vote for Milei in the next election, the US wants an ally in the region because Brazil is getting closer to China.
>>2537992great OP, great album
saw them live 10 years ago
>>2538107The $40 billion bribe succeeded then, huh….. goddammit
I figured it was gonna be bad for Milei and LLA because this was reportedly Argentina's lowest voter participation rate since the fall of the dictatorship, and because Milei's popularity was beginning to collapse due to corruption scandals starting to plague him and his party like with every single other Argentine president in the modern era, alongside the skyrocketing unemployment rate and cost of living. How did the Peronists fuck things up this time?
>>2538148The US needs another base of operations in South America after Colombia turned to the left, ArgenSSimians will have to do.
>>2538122>Look at me, look at me. I'M the deepstate nowIt's not a question of whether you sell out, it's a question of the price tag. That is the problem with any kind of counter-culture and why I over-identify with the ruling ideology.
>>2538131woah….
WEALTH = THE LAW
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN = AN AREA I MAKE MEGA TRAGIC
DONALD TRUMP = TAN LORD DUMP
AARON BUSHNELL = ALLAH BURNS ONE
GRAHAM PLATNER = GARTH NAPALMER
ALEXANDRIA OCASIO CORTEZ = CIA RADIANCE ORZO (SEX A LOT)
>>2538183mega truth nuke
>>2538185giga truth nuke
>>2538022"Normal" Adult "Marxist" is the most militant anti-communist to post on this site yet, no amount of theory will work on it.
so what percentage of lickspittle braindead americans believe the latest round of lies meant to get us into another forever war? That Nicolas Maduro and Gustavo Petro are "Narco Terrorists" an ironic and disgusting slander, given that the Amerikkkan CIA literally supported Narco-Terrorism in Latin America for decades, something whistleblower Gary Webb was assassinated for exposing?
>>2538235it doesn't matter, absolutely none of them will do anything about it.
America has murdered, at an absolute minimum, 5 million people during the GWOT and associated post 9/11 wars, and absolutely no one lifted a single finger to stop it.
If you know an American, sell them fentanyl
>>2538224it's a great way to foster community too. Kill a deer, and theres no way you'd go through all the venison in a week, so you give some away to friends and neighbors.
very common for my hunting family members to load my family up on venison every so often
>>2538239It’s not really good outside of sausage or chili though
>>2538240I like the jerky
>>2538242Tue, I stand corrected, I’m still very much against venison steak
>>2538138When you're a white latin american person the USA will pay you a good wage to tell them nice stories about how over it is and how you're going to do a coup for them, it's basically a whole industry.
>>2538240The backstraps are alright but the rest of the meat is too lean.
>>2538224because burgers killed all the gray wolves during manifest destiny, the deer are actually overpopulated and need to be hunted for biodiversity reasons. so yeah hunt away. it's actually ethical to hunt deer in North America.
>>2538240you can make most things taste good with the right blend of spices, acids, salts and/or sugars
>>2538249it's ethical to not support the industrial beef industry anyways
>>2538251It’s more than that, with tough, gamey meat you have to slow cook it to get it edible
>>2538258pressure cooker baby
yeah i know not everyone has one but if you're already givin venison out left and right you can find someone with one
>>2538253I only eat meat on holidays now, but yeah I should probably start eatin only hunted or small farm meat. i get a lot of sushi on my birthday
yea or nay: platner is fascist republican plant to make the hazbin hotels lose their minds
>>2538263What I have learned from this is that "leftist" would support azov members if they say the renounce their old views and will remove their tattoos
>>2538265Like the "punch a nazi" thing was clearly Bs. They also look laughable attacking pete hegseth for his tattoos then being fine with a guy who has nazi germany tattoos
>>2538265lmao the Azov guys have not removed their tattoos or renounced their old views at all, liberals just support them anyway because functionally the only difference between liberalism and fascism is a crisis.
>>2538267Pete Kegbreath is a nazi though while Platner is not a nazi.
Your false equivalences are so fucking stupid man.
>>2538271Azov changed their logo after many years. Graham platner removed his tattoo after 20 years.
>>2538278I have gone thru platner entire reddit history. He has plenty disgusting genocidal views. You are simply sympathetic to this guy after knowing he exist for 2 months.
>>2538283Like I literally every single comment and I posted about 30 of them here.
>>2538283being a dumbass and being a nazi aren't the same thing
>>2538286It's not a dumbass. Its literally genocidal views. He's not just a shithead. He has literally said hes fine with millions dying to keep his way of life in wars. You don't know anything about him you are just a blind simp.
>>2538287Also he's extremely proud of everything he did in military and enjoyed all the time in it. He said that countless times. He loved war and fighting. Also said how he killed people.
>>2538287>Its literally genocidal views.post them then
>>2538289Okay I'll go get all the screenshots from the other thread. Give me a few minutes. You are going to feel like an idiot
>>2538289He literally said Millions would die before the Syrian civil war was over and it was all worth it because quote "our way of life is superior"
Platner is an unrepentant and full throated American imperialist. He actually, literally, physically took part in American imperialism in several countries over the course of 20 years and does not have even a shred of remorse for what he did.
>>2538293>He literally said Millions would die before the Syrian civil war was over and it was all worth it because quote "our way of life is superior"Any videos or articles of him saying this or just reddit posts?
>>2538301>>2538302>>2538303>>2538304>>2538307>>2538310>>2538312>>2538313>>2538314This is all posted my graham platner. Feel free to read
>Senate candidate Graham Platner of Maine shows the risks of recruiting political newcomers.
>The information was largely drawn from his Reddit account, where he posted under the name “P-Hustle.” >In America, you can vote for one of two parties.
>Both of them are Nazis.
We really need to be building political power outside the Democratic Party.
Like run a PSL candidate for city council somewhere or something. Jesus.
>>2538314>r/military by u/P-Hustle October 30 2013>Your job is to efficiently and brutally murder other human beings and to sap their will to fight.You know what? He's right. And that's the attitude we should take towards the bourgeoisie. But he held this attitude towards people resisting his occupation of their country. Something tells me he will have none of this brutal realism towards the bourgeoisie in the senate, which he intends to occupy.
If someone comes along ITT and says something like this about class war, they're treated as psycho, or stinky old men who read too much "dead white guys from 100-200 years ago" like Marx, Engels, and Lenin.
But let Platner say this about occupations he took part in, and it's just you know, standard realistic things Americans are expected to say and feel when attacking countries that posed no threat to them, and actually you're the crazy one for finding it disgusting and wanting class war instead of imperial occupation.
>>2538326Keep reading the rest of the posts
>>2538301>>2538302>>2538304>>2538307>>2538310>>2538312>>2538313>>2538314You know, I was going to give him some tepid benefit of the doubt because some of these are from over 15 years ago, but even by 2020 Platner has 0 regrets about joining and fighting over there. He's pretty fucked.
Also, that Azov comment is revealing.
>>2538341I already did several threads ago. I find his change of heart around 2020 convenient and astroturfed. exactly the kind of thing someone says and does when preparing to run.
just like a young person will run around fucking everyone and then settle down for marriage, the american soldier runs around slaughtering people and then settle down for a career in politics.
>>2538342>Also, that Azov comment is revealing.yet he somehow doesn't know what a totenkopf is
>>2538107>Price to buy an Argentine election: $40Bwell, now we know
>>2538278>Pete Kegbreath is a nazi though while Platner is not a nazi.Kegbreath is SS
Platner is SA
>>2538354Brothers in arms
>>2538342again the man's plan is basically "i'm going to make the military dramatically more efficient" not "i'm going to cut military spending in any way"
>>2538301>>2538302>>2538303>>2538304>>2538307>>2538310>>2538312>>2538313>>2538314Most of these aren't even "fascist" or "nazi" it's just a guy being sincere about what being in the military is and showing frustration that the US military/political system is deliberately incompetent and wasteful in a way that invalidates everything soldiers work for.
Which is kinda funny because he's mad at things like the Afghanistan pullout not taking care of America's allies in the conflict. The consequences of America's incompetence with how it treats its allies is going to be what ultimately dooms the empire, and I think imperialists like Platner can identify this. But he's a reformist and sees this as a bad thing, while we are revolutionaries and see it as a good thing for decaying US influence in the middle east. I can see why people here hate him, but I think ultimately he -is- still moving America towards the Left because his views are still more "Left" than anything the Democrats have put forward. Even AOCIA is pretty much in line with Platner's contradictory beliefs about reforming the imperialist system to be more efficient in its exploitation of the 3rd world. she just doesn't have the military experience or honesty to articulate it.
>>2538346>just like a young person will run around fucking everyone and then settle down for marriage, the american soldier runs around slaughtering people and then settle down for a career in politics.weird analogy, but I wish I did this when I was young because now no woman wants to date me when I tell her I never had casual sex in my 20's. probably the same thing going on here: libs have more trust in someone like Platner with flaws and nonsense beliefs because it's relatable compared to someone like Bernie that just makes them feel insecure over being wrong all the time.
>>2538224My dad used to hunt squirrels to supplement his family. I’m going to take up fishing again, myself; there was a time when a lot of what my family ate was fish when we were doing badly. I also know a couple of guys who hunt deer and are always looking to give away some meat (they can’t eat it all).
I think it’s a very good idea to start talking to people who do these sorts of things, if you can. Catching things like frogs and crawdads isn’t hard either and you can easily do it on your own (and they taste good). If your state has a yearly cull, it’s an easy way to get meat.
>>2538362>imperialists like Platner ok as long as you admit this much
>>2538253le ethical consumptioneero
>>2538293When he criticizes 'pointless wars' he parttook in I always read
>I wish these wars had a point >>2538362>Which is kinda funny because he's mad at things like the Afghanistan pullout not taking care of America's allies in the conflict. The consequences of America's incompetence with how it treats its allies is going to be what ultimately dooms the empire, and I think imperialists like Platner can identify thisI think it was radio war nerd, but I heard a guy say he never really understood the “damage relations” options in Paradox strategy games, like how you just abstractly can ruin relations between states by pressing a button, but then Trump got in office and now he gets it.
Like we cancelled trade negotiations and raised tariffs because Trump got mad at the TV. It’s retarded.
>>2538379That’s more or less what any of them mean when they say it. They want to be able to kill people without reproach and be celebrated for it instead of having to couch it in excuses and apologies.
>>2538389There’s no way his head comes to an actual point like that, come on.
>>2538019Poverty is only a choice for someone like St. Pius X who said “I was born poor, I have lived poor, and I wish to die poor". The actors larping as Catholic have never been poor and I doubt they even know who St. Pius X is.
>>2538394>Greenblatt got his start selling bottled water and pretending it was charityMost Jewish thing I ever heard
>>2538389Thumb phenotype, Ozempic variant
>>2538362>Most of these aren't even "fascist" or "nazi" it's just a guy being sincere about what being in the militaryThe fact that the US military doesn't dishonorably discharge
or in an ideal world execute soldiers they find displaying nazi symbols says a lot about the kind of country and military this is.
Do we still have to VOOOOT for the Blackwater guy with the Totenkopf tattoo?
Seriously why does no one on the left in America do anything aside from hold useless protests or support the Democrats? At best we have a handful of local leftist office holders scattered about the country and that's pretty much it.
>>2538414>The fact that the US military doesn't dishonorably discharge or in an ideal world execute soldiers they find displaying nazi symbols says a lot about the kind of country and military this is.Do you know of any military that does this? Even the Russians have nazis all over their military and they literally defeated the nazis.
>>2538416Combination of demoralization, lack of continuity (especially organizing skills) with past movement, and feds meddling with any orgs left of the NRA
>>2538410Neat. And after the persecution broke out, Paul's first missions involved sending relief to the poor. At that time, anyone wishing to get rich heard words such as "why did you contrive this deed?" (Acts 5:4) and "may your money perish with you" (Acts 8:20).
>>2538416They are too comfortable
>>2538419You may have a point there.
>>2538426I'm not talking about armed struggle at this moment though, I'm just talking about running a candidate who isn't a Democrat.
>>2538427Indians have always been weird about Hitler.
Gandhi use to write him letters addressing him as a "friend".
>>2538388This syncs uncomfortably well
>>2538438It sure seems like it. When the bubbles burst perhaps the memes will be less mesmerizing to the masses. It was easier when the main grift was being a prosperity televangelist. We could point out their hypocrisy without fear of retribution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1sfcexxVwNow the actors make policy and they don't have to play by the rules.
>>2538438Satoshi Nakamoto and J. Sakai both being hitherto unrevealed Japanese dudes makes me think that the CIA just makes up a Japanese guy whenever they come up wit ha new psy op.
>>2538387>For the ADL, Platner is bad,Oh you're just a contrarian. ADL says Hitler was bad so that means Hitler was good to you as well, right
>>2538519Aren't Graham and Planter both last names?
Whatever he's running for, that alone is a disqualifier. Never trust a man with two last names.
>>2538022>lenin saidOk explain how 1917 russia is analogous to the 2025 united states
>>2538534too many similarities to name
>>2538585still kinda missing the part where there's a million americans dead of warfare on the losing end of a war though
>>2538614war between imperialist powers is inevitable so I'm not exactly worried about that not panning out
>>2538362America is a fascist country though.
>>2538621elite dominated societies and fascistic societies are incompatible
>>2538428Epic dad ownage
Kidd pwned
Gg no re
Wash the lawn
>>2538618Sure, it's just that by 1917 people were starting to think that The GReat War was going to be a literally apocalyptic event that consumed the world in fire, lead, knives and poison gas, and a significant portion of the population had been directly affected by violent combat, as well as economically. We've nothing close to that in a very long time.
>>2538388The chorus of this song is still very catchy, dont @me
also ye > platner
>>2538622Shut the fuck up liberal
>>2538632what's your point? if total war is inevitable why not organize to prepare for the consequences of it
>>2538641why am I liberal for correctly identifying fascism? you are smokescreening the sinister nature of fascism by equating it to something less harmful like liberalism
>>2538107so with mileis victory when can we expect argentinas eventual collapse
>>2538644The only functional difference between liberalism and fascism is an internal crisis.
>>2538648that's not true at all, the relationship between the two is much more nuanced. when fascism returns again you're not gonna recognize it, does that not concern you
>>2538644>why am I liberal for correctly identifying fascism? Because you’re a delusional liberal “populist” who didn’t correctly identify fascism
>you are smokescreening the sinister nature of fascism by equating it to something less harmful like liberalismSo says the liberal who is now upset they weren’t so slick. Did you really think you were going to get away with saying some stupid bullshit such as fascism not being an elite dominated society. Takes a few minutes to do some research on this dude.
>equating it to something less harmful like liberalismOh sweet summer child, you don’t know the half of it.
>>2538651Fascism returned over 20 years ago and you don't recognize it because it doesn't effect you. You are the "Aryan" in Nazi Germany.
>>2538657Fascists never left to begin with
>>2538656How much capital did Hitler own before seizing power? Fascism is a product of mass society not elite society
>Oh sweet summer childback to reddit
>>2538657nope fascism is a rejection of liberalism
>>2538660holy shit finally, someone who understands that at its root, fascism specifically was a movement of middle class intellectuals who wanted to combine nationalism with the socialist politics of the era, and thus created the abomination you see today, it's not relevant in the modern day precisely because mass politics is dead for the most part in many a developed nation
>>2538657No, you still live in a bourgeois liberal democracy. War, atrocities, hierarchy, racism, have all been part of such states before, and fascism is a separate distinction. Fascism is not when bad things happen, and it's not a necessity for the preservation of capitalism today, which is why it's not a thing. Stop acting hysterical
>>2538657t. guy who thinks fascism is when the water is slightly too cold
>>2538663>mass politics is dead for now. With liberalism crumbling worldwide I think we're gonna see a resurgence of fascism-like movements in countries everywhere. scary shit
>>2538663>fascism specifically was a movement of middle class intellectualsLmao what, even in Italy it was by no means an intellectual movement.
>>2538669yes it was? look at the early days of fascism and you'll find that almost all of the early purveyors were intellectuals and the proto-fascists were the same as well
>>2538668the benefit is this also comes with communist movements gaining credence too, but mass politics doesn't really work without a mass-party, which i've yet seen develop into a thing in the modern developed nations again since at most the 60s or 70s
fascism was a national syndicalist movement that allied with big buisness and reactionary elements.
>>2538670Let's read what Hitler said to the leaders of the armaments industry at the end of June 1944. We'll find that fascism holds state power over the porky power, an inversion of liberalism. The two are fundamentally incompatible
Hitler:
However—and now we differentiate ourselves from the liberal state—
these achievements of highly developed individuals must also lie
within the framework of the benefit to all . . . the liberal state holds the
view, everything is good which benefits the individual and is useful to
the individual, even at the risk of it being harmful to the whole. The
National Socialist state on the other hand has the idea, or advocates the
recognition, that while the strength lies in the individual, the deed of the
individual, the creative action of the individual must still lie in the sense
of the benefit of the whole. . . . The highest achievements of the indi-
vidual, but corrected by the interests of a community, which in the final
analysis must by its actions and its commitment under harsh conditions,
in other words in the war, also cover for and protect the achievements
of the individual. It is therefore now only sensible and natural that the
achievement of the individual is weighed to that degree to which this
achievement benefits the whole. This modification of the concept of private
ownership is not even the slightest restriction of the individual, individual
ability, individual creativity, diligence and so forth, but, on the contrary,
it gives the individual the greatest possibilities to develop. It attaches
only one condition to this, that the development not be permitted to
proceed to the detriment of the community, in other words, in the end,
ahead of everything else stands the total interest of the whole. (Kotze and
Krausnik 1966, 339)
>>2538670hitler and the nazi party were for the most part, not members of the elite class of germany, the former aristocrats or general nobility, who made up the military and much of every institution in the country, that's precisely why on a class level, they disagreed most with the nazis despite the fact that according to your theory, they should have been natural allies, they deposed their centuries long traditions in exchange for new dogmas serving the fuhrer, they had valued ideological loyalty above everything else, they demanded political control over every institution, them allying with big business doesn't really matter much given that them and big business were natural allies to begin with, as they too were not members of the nobility/aristocracy, they came from families with similar class backgrounds to much of the nazis, that is to say, of the petty bourgeois businessman/intellectual/bureaucrat, sometimes militarymen, but that's who they were made up of, and the policies of the nazis (destroying independent labor unions, creating large amounts of slave labor to produce goods with, etc) were ideal for that. just concede at this point
>>2538671>yes it was? look at the early days of fascism and you'll find that almost all of the early purveyors were intellectuals and the proto-fascists were the same as wellWhen? How early are we talking?
>>2538675>We'll find that fascism holds state power over the porky powerWhat you’ll actually find is that privatized state power is not alien at all to liberalism, that fascism is still under the capitalist mode of production and liberalism, and that you and hitler are fucking dumbasses.
>>2538681>hitler and the nazi party were for the most part, not members of the elite class of germanyThey became the elite class, and they were backed by the elite class.
>they should have been natural alliesYou don’t know a single bit of “my theory” if you think that. Feudalists and liberals hate each other. Nothing new here.
>>2538684pre-march on rome mostly, but even then there were still a number of intellectuals in the movement, and i will admit my definition is loose as it includes artists or writers, but that's because many of the writers or artists were often doing things quite similar to the intellectuals of the day, so separating them is pointless
>>2538687IN˥OSS∩W CORRUPTED THE MOVEMENT. FASCISM IN ITS ORIGINAL "BASED" FORM WAS THE SYNDICALIST INFLUENCED MOVEMENT OF GABRIEL D ANNUZIO AND AMBRIS. WE MUST RETURN FASCISM BACK TO ITS PURE TRUE FORM THAT EVEN LENIN "PRAISED"
>>2538686>They became the elite class, and they were backed by the elite class.the middle class became the elite class? truly fascinating, also "the elite class backed them" is just nonsense and you know it, the elite class as i already mentioned were not big business, but the former aristocrats and nobility, because they held immense power well into the nazi era as well, in fact the biggest allies in big business were precisely of the petty bourgeois background many of the nazis were, so no i reject the premise of your argument, i'm sorry the water is slightly too cold but it's not fascism when that happens, it's a natural feature of capitalist states
>>2538686>privatized state powerI see what you mean by this but its a contradiction of liberalism. porky may feel like it makes the wheels turn but as we all know sovereign are they who decides on the exception, and that privilege remains with the state in every liberal society. porky is allowed freedom until its no longer convenient, as we see with Trump nationalizing american companies
>fascism is still under the capitalist mode of productionof course, that's why Fascism is not historically progressive.
>liberalismnope, not with a modified concept of private property plus sovereignty over profits privy to the state first and foremost
>>2538697Trump isn’t nationalizing an company. If anything he’s creating a way for these companies to further privatize the state. A 10% stake means the government gets to put someone on the shareholders board and get a vote. In no way does that mean the company was nationalized, it means some bureaucrat that likely is hand pick by these companies will be a direct link to government money.
>>2538702>Trump isn’t nationalizing an company<Trump's Controlling Stake in U.S. Steel Is Indefensible Socialist Nonsense
<The terms spelled out in the SEC documents extend well beyond government meddling in the future of a private business. The deal also means that the same federal government charged with regulating other steel companies operating in the United States now owns a controlling share in a direct competitor. That's a massive conflict of interest, on top of the other gross implications here.Trump owns a golden share in U.S Steel which is a controlling share. Among other things this gives the US presidency control over picking board members and veto powers on the other members. Brazil and Russia use golden shares in their oil and natgas companies which are state run. It's straight up nationalization. And this was always the case in liberal socities, when things are nice and easy, porky gets to lead the way. When shit gets tough porky has to rely on state power to get shit done when competing globally. this is why I said liberalism was crumbling worldwide and important to understand how fascism works so we can identity it when it returns as a farce
https://reason.com/2025/06/26/trumps-controlling-stake-in-u-s-steel-is-indefensible-socialist-nonsense/ >>2538687So before it actually ideologically solidified and entered political relevance?
>>2538695>the middle class
>"the elite class backed them" is just nonsense and you know it>>2538670>>2538670>>2538670>in fact the biggest allies in big business were precisely of the petty bourgeois background many of the nazis were>>2538670>>2538670>>2538670>so no i reject the premise of your argument, i'm sorry the water is slightly too cold but it's not fascism when that happens, it's a natural feature of capitalist statesFascism is a natural feature of capitalist states
>>2538697>I see what you mean by this but its a contradiction of liberalismLiberalism is filled with contradictions
>nope, Yup.
>not with a modified concept of private property The concept was not modified, they simply used it in a different manner.
>plus sovereignty over profits privy to the state first and foremostNot exceptional at all.
>>2538702Nationalization and privatization can go hand in hand
cant we just say fascism was originally a middle class movement that slowly got taken over by big buisness and elite elements?
cant we just say fascism is bad?
fascism is bad
>>2538718>The middle class>>2538719>>2538720Not enough, that’s not enough
>>2538713>The concept was not modifiedYes it was. Fascism only recognizes private ownership insofar as it is used according to the principle of "common benefit ahead of private benefit", which effectively means within the framework of the objectives set the by state. For hitler the principle of "common benefit ahead of private benefit" means that if it is necessary in the common interest the state has the right at all times to decide how when and to what extent private ownership is used, and the common interest is of course decided by the state. Fundamentally illiberal.
>>2538718That is theory of two fascisms, one for middle classes, one for rich indistrialists. Gramsci wrote about it.
>>2538713i'm not using the word "petty-bourgeois" because it simplifies too much, you need to stop being a hysterical liberal, and jesus christ man why did you need to cite the same post like 6 times? i got it on the first and it still doesn't disprove my point
>>2538728burgers will only nationalize the private sector after they have privatized the nation, creating the world's largest … idk…. private public partnership or some other buzzword salad
>>2538722>Yes it wasNot it was not. The concept was perfectly intact and in it’s original state. It was simply utilized in a manner more unfamiliar to you. The government may manage ownership differently, but the associations and the relationships remain the same.
>Fascism Fascists
>only recognizes private ownership insofar as it is used according to the principle of "common benefit ahead of private benefitI’m so glad that succdems and demsuccs got a stray L from this conversation, you would not believe.
>FundamentallyLiberal
>>2538726You need to stop coping little bro. It’s done, it’s finished, it’s through, and it’s out. Have another one on me.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis>>2538728You confused nationalization with socialization, and I am receiving second hand embarrassment from that.
>>2538721>The middle classthe petty bourgeois is what i assume they meant
>>2538689>WE MUST RETURN FASCISM BACK TO ITS PURE TRUE FORM THAT EVEN LENIN "PRAISED"proof
>>2538235I actually haven't met anyone who is going along with the that narrative somehow, not nearly as bad as when the conflict in Ukraine first started. granted I have it pretty easy compared to many anons in this thread when it comes to avoiding the most annoying and chauvinistic americans by virtue of not living in somesort of godforsaken exurb
>>2538734The moment the legal title of possession and the factual right of disposal separate, in other words, when the private person can, for example, no longer freely decide on the nature, size and timing of the investments to be made, essential traits of private ownership have been abolished even though the legal institution formally remains in force.
Hitler also openly celebrated certain nationalized sectors like the Railway for example, and cited them as proof that running a business rationally was possible not only on the basis of private ownership. In a speech on June 26 1935 he said:
>In the railway as it has developed in Germany, we [had to] see the first really large nationalized enterprise, as opposed to the point of view of the pursuit of purely capitalist individual interests. We recognize this first in the organization of railway traffic in itself. In its inner being, the network of the railway was socialistically felt and socialistically conceived. The unique trait of this enterprise is that at the head stands not the question of profit but the satisfaction of traffic requirements.In other words, railway lines were also built in places where they were not profitable but where there was a need for a traffic link. “It would be an immeasurable step backwards if we were to entertain the thought today of closing down those lines whose profitability is not assured. This would actually mean a return to the worst and most capitalistic point of view.” Hitler was therefore defining the essence of a company run along socialist principles as an absence of profit maximization in making investments.
Hitler’s subsequent remarks in this speech carry the heading “A Warning”:
>And secondly, we also see the socialist character of the Reichsbahn in something else. It is a warning about the exclusive claims of the doctrine of private capitalism. It is the living proof that it is very possible to run a nationalized enterprise without private capital tendencies and without private capital management. Because we should never forget, the German Reichsbahn is the biggest company, the largest customer in the whole world. The German Reichsbahn can stand any comparison with the railway companies built up purely on private capital. . . . We see the infinite successes of the capitalistic economic development of the last century, but in the Reichsbahn we also have the convincing proof that it is just as readily possible to build up a company on another basis as a model and example for others. >>2538281it's so wholesome when they camouflage
>>253823595% at least, including most people posting here since communism has been replaced with leftism, will gleefully call for the destruction of Venezuela and the genocide and enslavement of her people the moment troops are on the ground. Same as they’ve done for every war. But of course most of you will pretend to be against it, maybe even to some performative opposition ritual where you parade in the street or have orgies on college campuses to absolve yourselves of responsibility
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2538750hello iron felix
>>2538750Literally nobody here wants that. Not even me, an annoying ultra, wants AmeriKKKan intervention in Venezuela despite the blatant corruption and incompetence of the Maduro government.
>>2538750I didn’t call donald trump on the phone and tell him to do this, I’m not responsible
>>2538754Sure, you’re just casually manufacturing consent for the invasion because Venezuela isn’t pure enough by your standards while using liberal buzzwords like “corruption”. Just like Iraq, Syria, Libya, Nepal, Madagascar…
>>2538747>when the private person can, for example, no longer freely decide on the nature, size and timing of the investments to be made>essential traits of private ownership have been abolished even though the legal institution formally remains in force.The liberty of those decisions will simply go to the private individuals in charge of the legal institutions.
>Hitler also openly celebrated certain nationalized sectors like the Railway for example, and cited them as proof that running a business rationally was possible not only on the basis of private ownershipThe L’s just keep coming for the succs
>the network of the railway was socialistically felt and socialistically conceivedHoly cringe. “Socialism is when gobernment”.
>This would actually mean a return to the worst and most capitalistic point of view.” Actual nonsense statement.
>Hitler was therefore defining the essence of a company run along socialist principles as an absence of profit maximization in making investments. Cringe
>And secondly, we also see the socialist character of the Reichsbahn in something else. It is a warning about the exclusive claims of the doctrine of private capitalism. It is the living proof that it is very possible to run a nationalized enterprise without private capital tendencies and without private capital management> The German Reichsbahn can stand any comparison with the railway companies built up purely on private capital. . . . We see the infinite successes of the capitalistic economic development of the last century, but in the Reichsbahn we also have the convincing proof that it is just as readily possible to build up a company on another basis as a model and example for others.So said the private individual encouraging literally all of that.
>>2538763All bourgeois shitholes that should've been overthrown by their proletariat, not the AmeriKKKan military.
"Consent manufacturing" is peak Chomskyan libtardism and idealism too btw as if the bourgeoisie ever needed the permission of their subjects to do anything.
>>2538755r/ultraleft soldier reporting in 🫡
>>2538775Of course they don’t, they get useful idiots to attack AES from the left on the basis that they’re not a college student’s ideal of communism where nobody works and everyone does drugs and has gay sex all day in between sipping luxury vegan lattes. In other words people like you. You’re literally proving myself and Felix correct about the state of the American “proletariat” with every post
>>2538750Nuh uh. But all the groypers y'all have courted by shouting zog zog will smile at the rape of Venezuela by the US. Like they already do at the ICE killings.
>>2538782PSUV has no problem with gay people
>>2538791A Canadian would say that
>>2538721Marx uses the term middle classes in everything, including the manifesto. Confirmed to not have even read that.
>>2538783They need to give harder insults like Orange drooling retard
>>2538819Right back at you
>>2538813So was socialism, and yet both of them were watered down over the years. There’s a reason why communists are so insistent on the term “communist” and not “socialist”.
>>2538834Firing squad for anyone who has ever posted their retard musings on twitter and we will solve many problems.
>>2538842I don't think you know what you're talking about
>>2538019America will soon convert to judaism mark my words. It is christian in name only. americans worship money and power and think empathy is a sin. They love was israel is doing and still think they can get 2nd place in armageddon. China needs to invade and reeducate americans.
>>2538848No, I think I actually do, and you are simply desperate for a gotcha. You use “middle class”, I’ll have zero idea what what the fuck you are talking about because the term has simply become that diluted. Not hard to understand.
>>2538235even if they were all against war with latam there is nothing they will do about it
>>2538782to be fair to iron felix, I've never heard such idpol as you're spouting right now, nor random contempt for muh coolij stoodintz
>>2538265they support them anyways lol
>>2538875He was hungry what was he supposed to do?
>>2538880You get banned here if you criticize Iran, which actively killed communists and it's still criminalized.
>>2538880Then destroy the American government and establish a dictatorship of the proletariat if you hate American intervention as much as you claim to, instead of wasting time on here purity testing AES while your country is actively planning an invasion
>>2538883I bet you did something worse than simple saying
Iran le bad. Or else you would have posted the banned post screenshot withe post ID, date and the comment.
>>2538880smells like imperial cope to me
>>2538880platnercelcoded post
U.N actually did something against israel for once?
>An Israeli military drone was shot down by the UN Interim Force in Lebanon during a routine surveillance mission in the Kafr Kila area yesterday.
>According to the IDF, the drone had posed no threat to the UNIFIL observers, who then opened fire on the device and downed it.
>UNIFIL said yesterday that the drone flew over its patrol "in an aggressive manner." It added that "the peacekeepers applied necessary defensive countermeasures to neutralize the drone."
>After the drone was shot down by UNIFIL, the IDF says it flew another drone over the area, which dropped a grenade.
>UNIFIL claimed yesterday that the grenade was dropped near its patrol, and that an Israeli tank also opened fire toward its observers. The IDF denies this, saying that no gunfire was directed toward the UNIFIL observers.https://xcancel.com/manniefabian/status/1982703980347101601?s=19>>2538895We’ll see how that goes
>>2538898The Reddit Reich makes me a special kind of tired, one that sleep wont fix
>>2538880>This is just endless third worldist bait and oppression Olympics. Don't want AmeriKKKan intervention anywhere but that doesn't mean I or any Marxist worth their salt have to uncritically dickride these SuccDemanon, Marx and Engels stated that communism can only be
international or else it can't be.
you can't expect communist parties to declare communism if they have to work around a world where communism isn't global, and the driving force is capitalism.
>>2538903dont waste your time trying to reason with leftcom/ultras/cryptolibs
>>2538898It’s all so tiresome.
>>2538905learn 2 outline text
fellas how do we feel about trotskys idea of unequal and combined development
>>2538834measurehead wouldn't say this because he is only racist against pastey ham sandwich race of colonialists from Ozzone
>>2538917Pollsters should be arrested too. Lock them up with Twitter users and journalists.
>>2538427>>2538430>>2538436>>2538439Indians respect for hitler comes because of the weakening effect that hitler had on England, their evil empire masters.
hitler didn't live enough to make Indians see what hitler was.
>>2538898welcome to the zoomer generation of politics
>>2538924I read somewhere that Bal Thackeray and him praising Hitler had a lot to do with it.
>>2538912I haven't extensively gone through Trotsky's work, especially the later shit I don't care about, but it's essentially just classical Marxist theory. The "stage" theory, where every country goes through the same stages of development towards socialism, came out of the right-wing of the international communist movement, especially when they were arguing for state capitalism because that was argued as a "necessary" development.
Marx never argued a rigid stage-oriented outlook. Primitive accumulation in Capital vol 1 is where Marx details the specific conditions of how capitalism was developed in Europe. There were other routes of development, most (in)famously the theorized "Asiatic" mode of production. Russia was singled out as being able to potentially "skip" Capitalist development and its communal culture would serve the model of socialistic production with outside assistance of the more developed proletariat in Europe. This is right in line with "Trotsky's" theory for the "combined" development. The antagonist theory basically argues every culture is atomized and entirely independent and on a linear path, which isn't true.
>>2538924Indians invented the swastika to represent the harmony of the slave caste system, hilarious how woke radlibs think nazis "took it out of context" (Kamala is a Brahmin, you could tell because she has that snooty 'my shit don't stink' attitude and is also a worthless bourgeois parasite)
>>2538950a constitutional amdendment is never happening. if trump stays in office he does so illegally.
>>2538775They don't need permission but it's easier for them when people believe the lies
>>2538750this is such a strange kind of delusion lol. if nothing else /leftypol/ has always had a majority opposing all US foreign policy. the board has split before over arguments about rojava and the side that won out was opposing rojava on principle of them recieving US arms and aid.
of all the many many ways to rightfully be dismissive of /leftypol/'s userbase about this is not one
>>2538956Yeah given that we've already established for several months now that Trump can basically do whatever he wants on a whim and nobody is willing to enforce existing laws to limit him it's clear that whether something is legal or not fundamentally does not matter to this administration. Assuming of course they dont cancel elections outright because of our war with Venezuela they'll just have Trump run again and dare people to do anything about it while the Dems run Kamala or Hillary again
>>2538885I'm not American and criticizing SuccDem opportunism is not "purity testing" it's like the bare minimum basic ass communists should do. Whatever happened to the critical part of critical support?
>>2538960Honestly, it will be up to the people to enforce the constitution. What form that takes is up to Minecraft.
>>2538880>critique of Maduro's shitty government by some random idiot>>2538883>You get banned here if you criticize Iran,<my posts that are indistinguishable from Hasbara propaganda funded by international finance capital are doing a critique! I'm just a smol bean!No, a critique is like Kant's Critique of Pure Reason. Your zero-historical materialism radlib posts were no different than the usual AI generated gibberish against the enemies of Zionist globalism
>>2538903100% agree. That's why rightfully identifying opportunism and falsification of communism it's one of the first steps the international proletariat should do. How can we reach a goal if we don't even know what that goal is? Or wrongfully identify that goal to just be what we already have but with more welfare?
>>2538966Or more likely enough people will get it through their heads that the law and constitution dont matter and never did and that the working masses can enforce their will with enough force. Either way it should be a fun time
will things start sizzling due to SNAP getting cut?
>>2538967Anything but full deep throat of the Ayatollah is Zionist hasbara to you. I'll be the first cheering for Iran if they actually grow a pair of balls and meaningfully attack Israel again but don't expect me or any "radlib ultra" to become a fanboy ultra for an islamist regime who murdered thousands of communists and beats up random girls to death for not wearing a hijab.
>>2538880american supremacist award
>>2538976Well if you want to secure an authoritarian regime there's two key things you gotta take care of. You gotta make sure that the military and the police, the guys that will do your enforcing, are on your side and you do that by keeping them paid. And you gotta keep the masses placated by giving them bread and circuses and making sure they aren't starving. Trump and pals are trying to Underpants Gnomes their way to an autocracy and completely ignoring popular support or military loyalty. So I'm gonna say sizzle
>>2538969well, all AES, or AES that call themselves socialists never say they achieved communism, for instance. even if they don't. don't nerd out about things that doesn't matter too much: the party in charge calls for a post-capitalist era? calls itself communist or socialist? controls the political environment? has control over strategic industries and companies, stopping neoliberalism or seizing back to the people their industries? if yes to all, don't be such a nerd things out.
>>2538019>you belong to someone else, not GodNeoliberals are a satanic pedo death cult that worship the "invisible hand of the free market" as God. That's what Jeffrey Epstein worshipped in his pagan temple with his MIT and Harvard friends
Speaking of Harvard globalists:
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russia/>>2538265> "leftist" would support azov members They literally fought alongside them in 2014 lol:
https://crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine"we must SMASH THE STALINIST AUTHORITARIAN STATE FOR INTERNATIONAL FINANCE CAPITAL! Platner is a committed anti-fascist" - every anarcho-neoliberal
>>2538981NOOOOOOOO THEY MUST LOOK LIKE MY CHILDISH UTOPIAS OR ELSE I WANT THEM TO BE BOMBED NOOOOOOO YOU DONT GET IT IM A REAL COMMUNIST NOT THEM NOOOOO
>>2538994Literally who is saying this. Who is actually arguing that Venezuela should be bombed in this thread
If there was an a m b u s h on a caravan of ice agents, I don't think it would do any good, bc every media leftist and political party would immediately disavow, and that would remove the connection between the guerilla and the masses. Its pretty easy to imagine Hasan talking about how its unacceptable, or the PSL disavowing entirely while shifting the blame to the masses for taking tbr action. We can use this action as a hypothetical to see where are leadership actually lies
Your favorite streamer is counter revolutionary. There's nothing that can be said to prevent an action like this from happening, no amount of talk about why this sort of tactic is wrong, or why nonviolence is the only acceptable response to oppression, or why this action hurts the chances of Zohran getting elected or whatever changes the trajectory. Furthermore we can assume this action will happen, as attempts have already been made. Looking at this dialetically, this puts an onus on the left to find a path that allows us both to capitalize on this action and to create a narrative around it that further legitimizes the masses resistance
>>2538955The ultimate take is that Hinduism is inherently fascistic and uniquely evil among religions and it should always be treated as such.
>>2539002its too early for that. you'll have to wait for them to get some more kills under their belts, to more fully alienate and dehumanise themselves to your community.
>>2539004Hinduism as we know it is a product of colonialism, isn't it?
Really wondering what's going to happen once SNAP becomes defunct on Nov. 1st. The USDA is refusing to draw from their emergency funds to prevent what is essentially going to be a man-made famine of more than 40 million proles, many of whom are employed…
>>2538981All of those things are good (or at least better than neoliberal shock doKKKtrine) and maybe even necessary for communism but they're still far from being a dictatorship of the proletariat, let alone achieve a socialist mode of production. And this is the crux of the "ultra" critique against AES: You simply can't declare by yourself that you have already achieved socialism (despite being state-capitalist at best) and that there's no more need for class struggle and international cooperation like the Stalinists did.
>>2538994If you believe communism is a childish utopia what are you even doing here bro? /pol/ has plenty of threads where you can be a fanboy for enemy nations of the US without pretending to be into Marxism.
>>2538950>comparing themselves with Rooseveltlmao.
>>2538927I think the libs used the Russigate to tire out their base under false conspiratorial claims. I can think this was long premeditated.
>>2539007Suburbanite leftists will continue to talk about how based it is that a single mom working at Circle K is going hungry. No one on the left actually cares, maybe Houdini will.write about it but that's one guy. The vibes will be about how we deserve this.
>>2539014little to none. automonwaffles types and so on are to autistic to get in this deep without a word. And if they by some chance were smart enough to do so they'd have at least covered the tattoo years ago, right?
>In 2014, together with Richard Seymour and others, Miéville quit the International Socialist Network, a Left Unity faction, over a dispute concerning the acceptability of sexual "race play"
most pragmatic western leftist
>>2538994I am not saying you should support the next color revolution aimed at, say, Mexico, just because Sheinbaum isn't socialist. I am talking more about wasting time with ridiculous debates where people want to narrow down with nerd pondering debates if any of these countries are socialist:
>Cuba>Vietnam>Nepal>China>Venezuela>DPRK>Laos>Nicaragua >>2539006Hinduism was fascist before honkies crawled out of their caves
>>2539002we need an actual political party that manages (and protects) streamers, not streamers that people assume are the revolutionary vanguard just because they Say The Right Things Sometimes.
i have more specific thoughts on the kinds of organizations that are effective at challenging government power structures, but further discussion is probably illegal.
>>2539024I want a G Wagon now
>>2539024Serious attempt to smash that cop between cars
>>2539046He came back for seconds and thirds:
>According to court documents, the officer exited his vehicle and was struck by the Mercedes. As the officer lay on the ground applying a tourniquet to his leg wound, Janiczek circled back and hit him three more times before fleeing the scene. >>2538387Bragging about murderyou actually factually committed is OK if it's on Redditch apparently.
>>2538528>Oh you're just a contrarian.Is that an insult? Yes, I am contrary to Zionism. Guilty as charged on that one I suppose.
>We should support whatever the enemy opposes and oppose whatever the enemy supports. – Mao ZedongAnd no ADL does not meaningfully oppose Hitlerism.
>>2539074No I said you're a contrarian you nazoid brainlet.
>And no ADL does not meaningfully oppose HitlerismYou love Hitler and there is no "hitlerism". There is being a nazi or not being a nazi. Since the ADL has said Hitler is bad and you're a contrarian, that means you love Hitler, right?
>>2539081Remind me again what the ADL's position was when Elon Musk performed the Sieg Heil salute?
>>2539084Answer my question you contrarian retard. Do you love Hitler because the ADL said Hitler is bad?
>>2539016Meanwhile leftypol will talk about how that single mom should be fed Soylent Green made of Palestinian babies
>>2538875>>2538879Critical support to hungry cop
>>2539014o9a is the biggest cia honeypot ever , the only people actuall in are all either 15 years old or james mason unhinged types. no way any of them would even serve in the military
>>2538880>>2538883Westoid brain cancer
>>2539116o9a is British tho
>>2538927Will he even know what year it is in 3 years?
>>2539020I mean, Nepal isn't socialist since a few weeks ago
>>2539133Prachanda Path was not socialism
>>2538898Weren't the OG humans Native Americans in Halo canon?
>>2539139This is some stupid MAGA shit really stretching history in an attempt to compare Abraham Lincoln to Trump
Trying to serious post on reddit is such a waste of time, why are millennials so utterly irony poisoned? The crisis facing this nation is too great for this sort of nihilistic nothing matters nonsense. Fuck Chapo Traphouse for normalizing this shit, rich LA fucks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/1ohnbr9/a_dialectical_look_at_disavowing_violence/ A Dialectical Look at Disavowing Violence
I just think it is interesting how focused the left is on disavowing the violence committed back against the capitalist. The man deserved to die. Luigi wasn't a leftist; he never read anything from any of these parties or any of their statements on adventurism.
I was war-gaming out a scenario yesterday wherein, somewhere in this country, an ambush will happen against ICE soldiers taking people from our streets. This ambush will happen regardless of our input on the situation because spontaneous resistance events happen as conditions get worse; Lenin speaks on this heavily in What Is To Be Done? In fact, this has already happened, but it was a failure, so it passed under the radar. What happens when it isn't a failure?
What happens when every media leftist gets on the horse and screams about how violence is never acceptable? What happens when Hasan uses that action to talk about how actions like that are only hurting our chances of, say, getting Zohran or Platner elected? What happens when every leftist party immediately comes out and disavows with the same adventurist rhetoric we saw with Luigi? All the while, 40 million people lose their SNAP benefits on Saturday.
Thus then, we can look at this dialectically. The modern "leftist parties" and media figures are, according to the Leninist framework, failing the task of uplifting spontaneous resistance from the masses into a coherent revolutionary force. Instead of providing a revolutionary channel for the anger manifested in spontaneous resistance, they disavow it to protect their reformist projects. This leads to a disconnect between the 'left' and the masses they claim to represent. All failures of organizing fall on the left, and not the masses. The institutional left's response of disavowal is not a synthesis but a negation of the antithesis, attempting to force the movement back into the thesis (the existing political framework).
The existing political framework is simply not built to handle the scale of crisis we are experiencing and will continue to experience. The organized left, fearing for its electoral chances and losing its place in the status quo, sides with the state's narrative on "violence," thereby reinforcing the very system it claims to want to change. The revolutionary potential of the moment is lost, and the fundamental violence of the status quo continues unchallenged.
>>2539157we got a genius over here
>>2539017>they're dumb, but if they were smart, they wouldn't have been dumb like platnerso platner's dumb, just like O9A freaks. QED.
>>2538534yesterday reformists on leftypol:
>you have to vote for platner because umm umm uh we need the support of soldiers just like the bolsheviks because uhh umm giving an unrepentant war criminal who voluntarily occupied other countries a seat on the senate is the same thing as mangled drafted WW1 veterans coming over to the side of communists on the question of overthrowing the governmenttoday reformists on leftypol:
<ha! Why would I listen to lenin on the question of overthrowing the government?! clearly 1917 Russia isn't analogous to 2025 USA in any way which is why we have to be reformist and give an unrepentant war criminal who voluntarily occupied other countries a seat on the senate which is the same as mangled drafted WW1 veterans coming over to the side of communists on the question of overthrowing the governmentfascinating fascinating fascinating
>>2538614>a million americans dead>less than 0.29% of the population>less than died from covidif that's all it takes to make america revolutionary than I am slapping that button (let's be real, americans will just become even more reactionary if they lose a war with a near-peer power and languish under hyperinflation)
>>2539139part of me wants to shed a tear for the confederacy and another part wants me to say
>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASED>BASEDI just wish it is my side that does the war crimes and wins.
>>2539139Lincoln had to break the constitution to save it, something rightists will never forgive him for
>>2539176Proportionally you'd need to slap the button about seven more times and kill off 7.5 million today. Only it's kinda important to also remember it wasn't old people in nursing homes dying off, sad as that might be, it was overwhelmingly young men aged 16-20.
And then on top of that there was the highly lethal flu strain going around.
And the tsarist government had a pretty long history of causally dumping live ammo into protesters before that. There's not been anything like Russian Bloody Sunday yet to seriously completely undermine government legitimacy yet.
>>2539172Who other than that one tripfag is even still supporting Platner unironically anyways? I swear it feels like you guys are fighting ghosts
>>2538585Well then surely you can list them, if there's so many of them
>>2539188think about it this way, there's a lot less shit we have to deal with in our Revolution compared to the Russians. like for example no socialists saying we need a bourgeois revolution before the proletarian one, according to the theory of historical materialism. or not having a huge peasant issue
Usa had quite a few planes on the radar near Venezuela earlier then went off radar. Now there is a Lockheed military plane headed in that direction
I believe they will announce again they did a bombing
Guys are the americans going to invade Venezuela?
>>2539157Every time I hear some confederoid bitch and moan about Sherman's March I wish that Lincoln had the entire state of Georgia burned to the ground imo. The South got off so fucking light for what happened at the Battle of the Crater.
>Javier Milei's party won
god help us all
>>2539218you WILL keep sending them billions and you WILL be happy
>>2539201huge hemispheric power
big pop
centralized military autocracy
foreign wife
crumbling navy about to square off (and lose) against a rising Asian power
crumbling railroads
crumbling industry
Sex pest at the heart of power (Loomer)
waging imperial war abroad
>>2539222
that's a weather aircraft. hurricane melissa is in that location right now
>>2539227Good point. Makes sense
>>2539024I don't know who is dumber the driver or amerikkkan cop missing 3 shoots at point blank.
>>2539223Good. Their bullshit is unveiling, resulting in the public getting angry at their idiocy.
>>25392411. 80% no, because thats gommunism
2. 80% yes, but only if i'ts to increase the standards of living for hard working billionares and the small business ownerinos
>>2539122does that really matter
>>2539242he missed on purpose because the driver was white
>>2539243Reminder: The Nariyah testimony worked and America invaded Iraq with nearly unanimous populat consent.
>>2539255Miguel Diaz-Canel please send 1 Cuban military division to liberate Florida from the Gusano fascists and the DeSantis dictatorship
>>2539200>firmly on the backfoot nowgood
>>2538964>I'm not Americanoh that's right you're belgian i almost forgot
you cucks haven't even gotten rid of the monarchy yet. literally british energy
lol imagine living under a monarchy
>>2539285this post was made by jacobin gang
>>2538976>>2539007>>2539143SNAP going will cause a lot of problems. The churches won't step up, the food banks don't have nearly enough to last even a week, all the while 70% of all food on the shelves in grocery stores will go bad and be covered in chemicals and thrown away in locked dumpsters.
>>2539290I'm just waiting for Mike Johnson to decry the "useless eaters"
>>2539290>>2539293unfortunately I don't think the GOP's war against the poor will be enough to radicalize anyone. this is what they've done for decades, and it doesn't really move the needle at all. poor people just…don't care that their lives are being made hell to give more tax dollars to israel. and the middle class gives even less of a shit.
the only way this country is having a revolution is if MAGA messes with the white suburbanites.
the starving will continue until the Epstein situation improves
RED TERROR IN 4K
Those who support waging war against the US government, how about stationing the forces and supplies in Canada and Mexico. That way it’s harder for the US to catch you. Coordinated attacks from north and south would put enormous pressure
>>2539283Only a week since I became a namefag and I already got a hater lmao.
No one has yet brought up any counter-argument to any of my positions that aren't just third worldist screeching and name-calling btw.
Please refer to the expiry of SNAP benefits as the Donaldomor, thanks.
>>2539356>crime correlates with povertygee, you think
>>2539385He might still get Trump pardon.
>>2539397Notice how they're all white boomers.
>>2539401That's Maine for you
>>2539401stop idpoling, belgian
>>2539320Americans can easily cross
>>2539403And what’s the plan then? Build based around the forests? Making tunnels?
>>2539428Lolbertarians are gonna be the victims of the US night of the Long Knives
>>2539424>And what’s the plan then? Build based around the forests? Making tunnels?The plan is, instead of trying to destroy the government or replace the government or become the new government, we force the government to adopt a less broad and all-encompassing role in our lives. For instance, a large scale exodus of a significant percentage of the population moving away from cities to small mostly-autonomous communes, half the population living and working in the city, the other half living on the periphery. This dynamic would force the government to adopt a new role, becoming less of a ruler of one society and more of a mediator between two separate but interdependent societies.
>>2539428RINO is in and of itself a whiny term deployed by the most reactionary of the rethuglickans to shame the lolbertarian wing of the rethuglickans for not being interventionist enough.
>>2539428mogging platner again by simply not having killed brown people directly and rejecting the bombing
>>2539385>gets immediately forgottenwell that's the point isn't it. the state can groom a schizo to do the dirty work of ethnic cleansing for them and then "forget them"
it doesn't have to be blatant or obvious the way Gaza is. It can just be occasional "random" acts of violence to certain kinds of people "in their place"
>>2539390anon trump isn't going to pardon chudjak or dylan roof or other race hate mass shooters. if you've paid close attention trump pardons 3 kinds of people
1. celeberities, including nonwhite celebrities like rappers, whose rich friends and family suck up to trump publicly and make campaign donations.
2. personal accomplices in crime
3. US soldiers who committed violence against 3rd worlders
chudjak shot americans in america. yeah they were hispanic but that's a little too mask off even for trump. he'll stick to freaks like eddie gallagher. most americans don't care about pardoning eddie gallagher because eddie gallagher "merely" killed afghan children
>>2539439This dualistic model is also scalable to a potential future where human imperialists colonize the entire solar system, and possibly even inevitable. Earth and the inner planets which are all relatively close together would be the densely populated and highly ordered inner city with laws and governments and police and military protection but beyond the asteroid belt the outer planets would be the periphery, where the enormous distances and the speed of light and the very laws of nature would make it physically impossible for all of these periphery settlements to be governed by one central authority.
>>2539439What the fuck is this anarchist bullshit lol, you think the feds wouldn't actively crack down on you if you actually posed any amount of an actual threat to capitalist hegemony? The only reason they don't crack down on those communities is because they're small, inconsequential, and don't actually oppose the system in anyway. You're not going to make change by fucking off into the woods like Thoreau or Kaczynski (who themselves didn't do shit).
>>2539444>mogging platner again by simply not having killed brown people directly and rejecting the bombingmost of congress is to the left of platner in terms of how many babies they personally killed
>>2539014Prolly not but he’s a glowy for sure. I think him running is a way to try and tangibly tie the left to Nazis. Another possibility is that Nazis are trying to make in roads into the left because they’ve been n o t i c i n g that the biggest backers of Israel are anti-communist.
>>2539439Oh no it's the return of the "autonomous zone" cringe
>>2539450>What the fuck is this anarchist bullshit lol, you think the feds wouldn't actively crack down on you if you actually posed any amount of an actual threat to capitalist hegemony?As I said, just look at hickock45 from Youtube. The guy probably has enough weaponry to arm a 1000-man militia but the government has never bothered him a bit because he has an honest job and they can see exactly where all his money comes from and he obeys the law and pays his taxes and he hasn't been accused of molesting any children (as far as I know).
>>2539459>As I said, just look at hickock45 from Youtube. The guy probably has enough weaponry to arm a 1000-man militia but the government has never bothered him a bit because he has an honest job andmy sibling in science, gun youtubers glow to high heaven and absolutely have tabs on them even if they're related personally to CIA agents or cops, which they often are. also "youtuber" is not an honest job, it's literally show business, the most dishonest business of all.
>>2539018So it is unacceptable or just cringe?
>>2539459Yep he's rebelling against the system by doing everything the system asks him for, and he even owns land in a semi-rural area!!!
Infantile. Infanitile. Infantile.
>>2539424>>2539439We should
actually literally be digging a vast network of tunnels under the entire US and you cannot convince me otherwise.
Imagine where the left would be if you could do revolutionary crime in one part of the country, vanish into a tunnel network, and then pop back out anywhere else. And then any time the police come after your group you just hide in the tunnels and the pigs will be far too afraid to enter the vast tunnel network because they'll never be seen again.
Make fun of this all you want, you know damn well that imperialists
hate tunnels.
>>2539385all his victims were eldery people too who already had familes, so him trying to stop the "great replacement" of texas was futile
>>2539470>Israel is a terrorist state true… but he will he also admit the USA which enables, arms, shields, and informs israel is also a terrorist state? or would that interfere with his patriotic political campaign for power in the Yanqui Knesset?
>>2539460Nah hickock45 is just a harmless old libertarian-conservative grandpa who loves guns, that's it. He doesn't express any ideology that is a threat to mainstream American values and he behaves like a good model citizen, so the government going after someone like him would be a public disaster, the NRA and all of conservative redneck gun-loving America would revolt.
>>2539473>>2539470And uh, what was israel's involvement with iraq and afghanistan wars that he was so proud of being involved in?
It took nine wars for smedley butler to realize war was bad actually
>>2539476>He doesn't express any ideology that is a threat to mainstream American values and he behaves like a good model citizen, so the government going after someone like him would be a public disasterlol the government has regularly destroyed the lives of both Americans and foreigners despite them having these characteristics. You don't need to be an actual threat, just perceived as one.
>>2539473idk but labelling Israel as terroristic is way more than what zohran or AOC would say
>>2539480true, but he became openly opposed to the entire machine whereas platner still makes excuses for parts of it
>>2539172>muh platner Rent free. Keep fighting whoever you've conjured in your head. I'm sure anyone who doesn't support BadEmpanada-Felix Thought is secretly a platnerfag
>>2539481>You don't need to be an actual threat, just perceived as one.Then don't allow yourself to be perceived as a threat. Adopt a strategy of non-violent withdraw of consent. Never give the state any ammunition to use against you.
>>2539488They arrest people for posting anti-Charlie Kirk memes. "Ammunition" is whatever the fascists define it as, because once they have control they don't need an excuse to disappear you.
ICE purge imminent
>I'm told some of the ICE leadership removed from their positions include the ICE Field Office Directors in:- Los Angeles
- Phoenix
- Philadelphia
- Denver
- El Paso
- San Diego
- Seattle/Portland
- New Orleans
https://xcancel.com/BillMelugin_/status/1982959806173581456>>2539490>once they have control they don't need an excuse to disappear you.That's quitter talk.
>>2539491ah. this is really bad.
>>2539491Isn't most of BP staffed by Mexican-Americans, ironically?
honkoid status?
>>2539488I should say, one of the best ways to not be perceived as a threat and to be left alone by the government and by the police and the legal system is to be white. Being white is like being born with a natural +20 charisma bonus, everyone in society automatically assumes that you are a responsible and honest law-abiding citizen just because you are white. Take advantage of it. And if you're not white, keep one or two white people close by at all times, you never know when they might come in handy.
>>2539491Night of the Long Knives moment
>>2539492it's recognizing the enemy for what they are
>>2539493if you think that you should do something about it.
>>2539513is it even illegal? FDR had 4 terms during WW2 and I'm pretty sure everyone after that just quit after 2 terms because it was a custom started by George Washington.
>>2539514everyone before that quit after 2 terms because of precedent and it later became an amendment
>>2539514average USApol posters understanding of US history
>>2539513Damn maybe they should force Kamala to shut up and run someone with more promises to working class people.
>>2539519Passing/changing an amendment is too difficult (that's part of why so much bullshit still exists/beneficial changes aren't included in in the Constitution). More likely they'll just ignore/go around it in some way and count on no one stopping them.
>>2539515ah thanks for the correction
>>2539517it could be worse (vidrel)
>>2539513the republican party is the pillow and the democrats are holding it down over our faces
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