Hello, anons, I'm creating this thread about what where you share some controversial views on have. I have some views that seems to clash with left leaning view and honestly I don't know how to reconcile my leftist views with those controversial views I have, here some topics that clash with leftist tendencies:
>immigration in general
I'm not against immigrants actually, but I do think bring millions of immigrants from very radical different culture is recipe for creating tension and division inside of a country
>genes and behaviors
Yeah, that one is a hard, I think genes play a strong role on human behavior, I actually told that to some leftist in real life and I got shot down by being called "eugenicist", only a gay dude agree with me because he says that he didn't choose to be gay, he was born that way and could see other behavior having gene influencing too
>religion
I don't support religion at all, I think they are reactionary as fuck, especially desert religions like christianity, judaism and islam are especially bad and very very reactionary and should be fought against.
So far as I remember those are to topics that cause me to clash with my leftist tendencies, do you have any opinions and views that you considered to clash with your progressive views?
Abolish private property. The concept of 'personal' property is an illusion. Objects only become property through use; it is nonsensical to speak of 'personal' property when all products are the products of collective societal labor.
Abolish the artificial division of sexes and genders. Socially speaking, there are no men or women - only proletarians.
Abolish the private household. A house should be for sleeping and personal creative pursuits. Eliminate private kitchens; cooking will be a communal activity. I also advocate for communal baths and toilets, though that may be too radical for some here.
Abolish new-age understanding of nature. Nature is the final "spook," the last incarnation of the idea of God. Nature is an extension of our bodies, and by changing our bodies, we change our nature. This is a logical conclusion if you accept Marx's premises.
Abolish all religions. Shave the heads of all priests and demolish all religious structures built after 1945 or perhaps even after 1918, for good measure. Repurpose these spaces for communal use and recreation.
Reduce the work week to three days and the workday to four hours or less.
>>2541202Honestly, how are those view controversial? I don't think is against the view of the user here.
>>2541202>>2541203I was wrong, actually, reading again you do have some very controversial views
>communal bath and toiletsLmao, what? Do you like the idea of hivemind?
My views on trans people are only controversial in the imperial core.
>>2541206Please, don't make hate comments, I don't want the thread get deleted.
>>2541194Okay OP, you do actually have a good start here, so i’ll join in. Just don’t be an actual eugenicist, far too much of that.
>>2541202>Abolish private property. The concept of 'personal' property is an illusion. Objects only become property through use; it is nonsensical to speak of 'personal' property when all products are the products of collective societal labor.>Abolish the private household. A house should be for sleeping and personal creative pursuits. Eliminate private kitchens; cooking will be a communal activity. I also advocate for communal baths and toilets, though that may be too radical for some here.While I am not at all opposed to expanding communal facilities, this is pretty revisionist. Attempting this will only result in revolt and abolition of revisionist authority. People will have their own things. We’re not trying to turn people into cogs.
And while I do want to abolish religion, I think the best way to do that is to let it fade put instead of making people go cold turkey.
>Reduce the work week to three days and the workday to four hours or less.I think workers should set their own hours.
>>2541212How can we fade the religion "naturally"? I think religion have a strong incentive to get more people AND keep people following, I think we need a strong force to make people stop following religion, like state policy against religion.
>>2541210What hate? Where’s the hate?
>>2541206This is the hear me out thread, not the say the most reactionary shit imaginable thread.
Anyways, I’m going to share my own controversial opinions.
I think we should start changing funeral practices to focus on head persecution and material purposes rather than more “spiritual purposes”. We need to de-romanticize how we treat our dead, and start taking a more enlightened and materialist position. We also need to ensure that the idea that technology could potentially rebuild our dead is one that is taken seriously enough, and just having much of the consensus say “let god figure it out mortal”.
We need to bring back updated automats.
Elections are entirely bad for communists in current times and are prone to infiltration and takeover
>>2541213>How can we fade the religion "naturally"?This now a world built on logic and science. We will continue to push reason across existence until there is no where else to push it to.
>I think religion have a strong incentive to get more people AND keep people followingIt does. But people have much less of a reason to join and keep following than ever before. The proletariat see it as the coping mechanism it truly is more and more while science proves itself further with its gifts.
You have a westoid imperialist view of what "religion" is for a so called progressive
>>2541232No one serious calls themselves a progressive here. Get out of here, free market enthusiast.
>>2541232Ah yeah, I should defend religion that treat women like shit, gay people should be killed, and having freedom to walk away from the religion is met with either killing or social ostracism
>>2541238As opposed to “secular” countries where women are free to be prostitutes?
>>2541242Bullshit, you say like majority of women are prostitue and not a tiny minority, meanwhile ALL women under majority of religion are treated like shit
>>2541242yeah i'm sure it's better that you imprison prostitutes rather than reducing the problems that create prostitution, death to religion, and christ-insanity in particular
>>2541252as opposed to the totally superior non-abrahamic religions?
>>2541252Religion is built on dogma and irrationality, not through rational reasoning and empirical reality, stop saying bullshit.
>>2541245So true, we need to bomb Iran into oblivion to “free” the women from the terrible oppression of having dignity, economic stability, and sovereignty. A woman isn’t free until she can dress like a whore amidst the bombed out ruins of her country now occupied by Zionists! Science for the win!
>>2541261Ah yes, the country where woman that protest their right to choose their cloth got killed or imprisoned, so progressive to defend a reactionary country!!!
>>2541271Way to prove my point with pro Shah propaganda lol. Oh noooo the poor women of Iran aren’t allowed to flash their breasts and all they get in return is a stable functioning society which remains a bastion of uncompromising resistance to Zionist aggression
>>2541278like that twitter meme where it turned out iran 1970 was actually a screenshot from a german porno
>>2541274Interesting how none of the women of Iran actually have a problem with this alleged “oppression”
>>2541278why did every woman randomly decide to become "dignified" immediately after iran became an islamic theocracy in 1979?
>>2541284>you can only support islamic theocracy or imperialism. no third option available. >>2541281*Hinduism doesn't exist or any shit non western religion*
>>2541287>no protest of women in Iran ever happenedSure, buddy, keep defending bullshit reactionary countries because they support your pet political views.
History isn’t linear and teleology is nonsense, communism isn’t a process of slow abolition but a political choice
>>2541289Iran is no more a “theocracy” than the imperial core is. They have Shia Islam, a civilization building faith which sanctifies law and order and consistently opposes imperialism, whereas the west has liberalism
>>2541295kill yourself islamist shill
>>2541292Okay retard, no ORGANIC protest of Iran’s “oppression of women” has ever happened
>>2541293That one always get me, I see plenty of people here thinking communism is a magical process of history, something that will happen some magical day like religious rapture or something, not a process that need human hand on it.
>>2541295Shut the fuck up, islamist shill, get out of here with your reactionary religion
>>2541297>everything I don't like or support is CIAOk, retarded.
>>2541295are you a shi'ite muslim?
>>2541302i think he's a shite eater
using racist derived language (westoid, zigger, etc) is bad
>>2541311This should not be controversial
>>2541301>everything that actively tries to undermine anti-imperialist states on behalf of western governments in exchange for treats is CIAYes
>>2541315>treats is when you aren't forced to cover yourself up on the command of a 1400 year old bookokay islamist shill
>>2541308>>2541302That what I said, people use this "you see, bro, we are the oppressed by the evil westoid, so it does mean that any oppression that I do is valid and right, and you can't criticize us"
>>2541315Shut the fuck up, shill, we get it you are retarded that doesnt like to se your reactionary country getting attacked, you're so stupid that you think that the world is black and white and doesn't have third options.
You are not Chinese
>>2541323why are you defending the commands of this 1400 year old book rather than being a communist, on the communist website and critiquing such a thing?
>>2541323>women should dress like is written in my 1000 years old religion book because I think is right for them, and they should not decide for themselvesGet out of here, islamist shill, go fuck a goat or something.
>>2541328Do you think the concept of modesty and chastity were invented by Muslims?
>>2541331no actually, i think they're all terrible
>>2541292what about buddhism or thelema or any other faith that takes emperical and scientific study seriously
>>2541332Then you’re a hedonistic liberal who’s explicitly in violation of established Soviet law
>>2541330Women in Iran DID choose for themselves. That’s why Iran is staunchly anti western and anti-imperialist, and not a bombed out Zionist colony like Syria and Iraq
>>2541334Soviet law doesn’t exist and hasn’t since 1991
>>2541333or what about Neo paganism which is very broad and doesnt have established dogma and doesnt have the same issues most of the time except like nazis like wisdom of Odin
>>2541335not true, the clerics chose for both the men and the women, and communists and socialists are shot to death, imprisoned and beaten if they want anything else, get your islamism out of here
>>2541334god forbid!
>>2541335Iraq is a colony of Iran, not the US
>>2541334not in violation of DDR law :3
>>2541341Iraq Is a Colony of Kurdistan
>>2541344There’s more shia militias than kurdish militias in iraq
>>2541340Imagine still spreading the “muh Iran killed my wholesome chungus communists” line in 2025. Very embarrassing! No retard, the French educated Trotskyite 5th column were not communists, just liberal westernizers who fallowed after revisionist Eurocom tendencies
>>2541347where are the communist parties in iran? why are communists still getting beaten by armed soldiers? in fact, why do you shill for a country you don't live in, you're never going to live in, rather than do literally anything else with your time?
>>2541350The actual Iranian communists converted to Twelver Shiism and devote their efforts to advancing the cause of Iran and its resistance to Zionism and imperialism rather than destabilizing the state for western interests. You seem to be confusing communism with a utopian checklist of “good things” rather than the real movement which exists in the real world and adapts to the real material conditions of the world as it is. In Iran this manifests as Shia Islam
The fanatical have overrun the thread
>>2541352bait or mental retardation? call it
deng good
China doesn’t exist, it’s a lie that the defense industry came up with for procurement contracts
>>2541194Any communist party that takes a position of flat out rejection of religion and faith are idiots. If joining the party basically requires not just denouncing reactionary views but religion and god itself then then that's bad. If voting for a communist candidate or participating a protest or rally is even if not overtly a move for denouncing their faith then you won't have votes or a movement.
Most religious people aren't nuts and enforcing any 2010s internet tier of dogmatic atheism and being cunts about it is off putting to everybody. Most of us live in highly secular societies. Everybody's faith is their own.
>>2541366You missed an even more important point, churches are the only non monetized third spaces in the imperial core
>>2541377The ayatollah and the leaders of Tudeh debated and everyone texted the number snd said the ayatollah won
>>2541366So you need to support religion to gather some people? I think that a treason of principle of communism to free people from opression, there must be a way to make people free themselves from religion delusions.
>>2541381Just gonna ignore all the pro social elements of religion huh
>>2541377>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DEFEND YOUR NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY BY ROOTING OUT 5TH COLUMNISTS THATS HECKIN AUTHORITARIAN!!!!Have you ever seen a revolution in practice? A revolution is one of the most authoritarian things there is
>>2541384Tudeh were not MEK and vice versa
My controversial opinion is that eugenics is good, actually. And the Lefts opinion on eugenics is gonna do a 180 when China starts using it to create strong, healthy, disease-free citizens, like any scientifically minded humanist government would.
>>2541366atheism is growing in almost every nation, moot point
>>2541390Trotskyism is not communism. Hope this helps!
>>2541392neither is shite like what you're doing
>>2541388Now THATs a controversial opinion to hold here.
>>2541392Tudeh were many things, Trotskyist is not one of them
>>2541388Autism and ADHD are not diseases
>>2541402MEK does not nor did it ever represent the majority of Iranian communists
>>2541398I don’t really care about the inconsequential nuances between different sects of anti-communist leftists. Trotskyism, Maoism, Eurocommunism, it all serves the same masters and has the same agenda
>>2541405Tudeh were not eurocommunists or maoists either, they were classically soviet aligned MLs
>>2541400Autism is a genuine disease just get to now a genuine autist and it's pretty clear they don't work right in the head, now ADHD is debatable
>>2541406At a time when the Soviet Union had long abandoned Marxism Leninism, being “Soviet aligned” isn’t a good thing
>>2541407*low support/high functioning autism is not a disease
>>2541413So you’re what, a Hoxhist? The only Hoxha aligned groups that ever succeeded are the TPLF, who created neoliberal apartheid in Ethiopia
>>2541419Marxist-Leninist, a communist
>>2541420Glad to know you support TPLF in their rape of Ethopia and NRM in its rape of Uganda, Rwanda, and the Congo
>>2541415Yeah, high functioning autism is more debatable, I will give you that, now a to deny the autism exist is plain wrong, just get to know a low functioning autism that can't get out of the house without screaming or throw a tantrum, do you really believe a person like ChrisChan is sane and healhty?
>>2541422Why would I support a terrorist group which brought down communist Ethiopia?
Leftypol started transitioning to a peculiar liberal-fascist board around 2022 and largely completed the transformation around 2024
>>2541423Chris Chan’s problems are just as external as they are internal, part of why the internet needs to be turned off outside of work
>>2541424The Derg were aligned with Brezhnevite revisionism
>>2541426I blame the Ukrainians
>>2541427They received some material support from them but they weren’t aligned with Westoid cultural imperialism like the Iranian “communists” were
>>2541202Except for the last point this is just:
>I am satanThe post
>>2541426Elaborate. Please…
>>2541430You are just a reactionary, simple as
>>2541429Communism is westoid imperialism and Russia is a westoid country, Marx was a westoid, if you hate westoids get off this site and read quran
>>2541427Yes and now, Chris Chan was mentally ill from the get go and the internet didn't help at all him, a tragic story.
>>2541426>liberal fascism>leftypolSo "old" leftypol was more progressive according with your own definition and not a objective one?
>>2541429>if they don't support my backwater religion than they are westoid imperialist, even if they are natives like mePeak stupidity
>>2541438Old leftypol wasn’t “more progressive” it just wasn’t utterly dominated by nationalists and deng beetles lmao, in the diversity of thought actual Marxists existed and theory kino was more common, now the only longposts that get traction are grievance bullshit at best, since leftypol has degenerated mostly into a worship of democracy, progress, and national shibboleths it can only be called mostly libfash as of now, no?
>>254143190% of this site shills for capital what more is there to get?
>>2541442Is this le final stage or will le trend continue in that direction until reaching le final stage?
>>2541443No shit, what else is supposed to happen when proles lose the class war for the hundredth time?
>>2541443True, they deny le interimperialist conflict
>>2541447Reddit memes are so 2012
>>2541446You are defeatist opportunist huh?
>>2541448>le memeIt is le correct invariant line going back to marx
>>2541433Yes I am a reactionary according to your retard logic. Tell me, do you live by your standards? Have you stopped using pronouns all together? Have you arsoned churches? Do you shower in the public toilets?
Please enlighten me satan.
>>2541442Don't you think is more a evolution out of necessity of the reality? Maybe many user got tired of old theories based on a entire bygone era and adapted to modern one, Dengist I can understand actually, is out of the necessity, being a theory purist will get you so far.
>>2541444No the final stage is probably to start dunking on regular /pol/ for being less hitlerite but that’s still a few years from now and only if Karl particles aren’t injected back into the userbase stat
>>2541454>karl particlesYou mean Carl Marks?
>>2541454we need marx particles in order to save leftypol from hitlerization
>>2541453No I just think most of the old userbase moved on or drifted rightward and most of the new userbase are booklet retards from reddit who were always China fags and capitalist apologists
>>2541449The definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting different resuts, proles aren’t revolutionary, they are fully subsumed into capital are are just as much a part of this system as capital itself is.
>>2541450Marx didn’t invent the French language, we can tell he wasn’t serious because he made no steps towards the abolition of French as a language and a national identity
>>2541459>Mfers think what makes proles revolutionary is being OUTSIDE capital<His next argument will undoubtedly be le true revolutionary subject is le lumpens, nation, and peasantryLike i said
Hitlerization
>>2541451>you are against x yet you participate in x>doesnt know there is a potential violence hanging over our heads all the timeReally?
The proletariat and bourgeois do not have contradictory interests nor is their conflict the primary contradiction, nor has it ever been, the main contradiction is nationality and language
>>2541462Capital has no internal contradictions, Mao was wrong, workers cannot self manage, the bourgeois is entirely necessary
>>2541459HORRYYY SHHHEEEEEEEEETT! OH MYYYY GOOOOOOD! SONUVAAAA BEEEEETCH.
Holy shit dude
>>2541466Proles aren’t gonna sign up to go to meetings all day nor do they want to work for you instead of the regular capitalist, the regular capitalist is telling them the truth in that he wants to exploit them, you want proles to be stuck in meetings all day to decide where the stuff they aren’t producing is going because they’re stuck deciding all day
>>2541464>the main contradiction is nationality and languagethe main contradiction of what? society?
are you implying that two people from the same nation who speak the same language cannot be antagonistic to one another?
>>2541463There is no such thing as potential violence, either it happens or it doesn’t
>>2541459proles are actually more reactionary than the bourgeoisie, which pushes for globalism
>>2541475The world and it’s systems
>>2541479This, have you ever seen an international trade union, have you ever seen a Chinese union boss calling for a strike then US and EU workers going out to picket on those orders? It’s completely inconceivable
>>2541480but what of internal dynamics? internal contradictions?
>>2541463Go to any socialist/communist country and promote your ideas. I will guarantee you will either be kicked out for being a western agent provocateur or sent to a gulag for being an actual menace to society.
>>2541486if we take nations to exist in contradiction to one another, we must surely see that contradiction goes futher down until we have individual people, no?
>>2541488They don’t, contradictions only happen at the international level
>>2541491They say that every time a socialist asserts the importance of national struggle, Hitler’s corpse gets an erection
>>2541489It’s better than being in meetings to decide where the widgets go until someone pulls out a gun and shoots everyone there
>>2541464Now THAT's a genuine controversial view, even for me, damn
>>2541492Either the energy is there or it isn’t, no such thing as “potential”, potential is a projection
>>2541493The only genuine socialists are Palestinian, all others are fake
>>2541458What's the average age of the userbase? 20s? 30s?
>>2541491but individuals enter into antagonism to one another, since they have separate volitions as objects and subjects. nations are not eternal, uniform essences.
>>2541498TRVKE. Bourgeois science owned. We materialists out here
>>2541503Actual age or mental age?
>>2541504Individual antagonisms are not important, therefore do not meaningfully exist
>>2541464That's not a controversial take. That's just a 4chan take.
>>2541509It’s literally a rephrasing of Mao
>>2541506C'mom, no need to be demining, I'm too old for LeftyPol? I'm in my 30s now, what happen to leftist when they hit 30? Drop the online space? Become reactionaries?
>>2541508a whole is simply the sum of its parts
(quality is a quantity of its own)
so the transition of one thing to another ultimately begins at an individual state.
>>2541514Wholes are only the most prominent parts
>>2541518okay then, if a nation is not defined by its citizenry, then what are the constituent parts of the national concept?
>>2541510Fucking Mao SAID that?
99% of "antisemitic conspiracy theories" are true
>>2541521Only its capital
>>2541521Democracy and strong local bourgeoisie?
Given this is an English site, I have a lot of views that Western leftists will never accept but are common and enforced in China. We just have very different philosophies. It'll be impossible to change your mind.
>>2541526so the only difference between france and england is their capital, and not their peoples?
>>2541512Bro this userbase is 90% mentally 18 idk what to tell you
>>2541522Yes he did, he said the primary contradiction is between the imperial nations and the colonized nations, I’m taking it a step further and saying that the only contradiction that matters and this real is the primary contradiction
>>2541523This but only if you substitute Germanics and Anglos for Jews
>>2541530Why not? Both are imperialist alcoholics? Who cares how they pronounce words ending in “eur” or which pedophile they worship?
>>2541523Now that just /pol/tier take, 99% of the jew doesnt even have money or power to move a global conspiracy, close to truth is the israel-zionist lobby, and even then they are not mega competent like people think
>>2541535It’s all Europeans and their descendants, including Russians btw
>>2541536youre intolerable
The only people who matter are those who have control of nuclear weapons systems, all politics outside of that is irrelevant and a distraction
>>2541542Good, get off this site
>>2541543J Posadas agrees!
>>2541539>>2541539Look, how we can deal with leftist infighting? Look around, how can the left do something when 95% of time is leftist fighting other leftist here and in real life.
>>2541528Drop your trvkes
>>2541550Idk I’m not a leftist, I’m a marxist
>>2541535Stunning and brave of you to blame whitey and protect jews for the six millionth time
>>2541552Marx was a soft bitch and so are you
>>2541554Jews are white, you’re in denial
>>2541528What are those views that are common in China?
>>2541550You mean trve commies fighting the opportunists revisionists falsifier etc
>>2541555>marx was soft bitchOkay? And?
>>2541560Nothing he said or did meant anything outside of deunkenly cheating on Jenny and having Engels as his paypig, he was a disgusting westoid and so are you
>>2541562Your fate is nuclear fire
>>2541556Which is why you especially set out to defend them, right? Lying faggot
>>2541571Every Jewish stereotype is equally true of every other European, you literally worship a Jew
>>2541572For example you have mommy boy jews who live with their moms and italian mammonis who live with their moms
>>2541572commit suicide you lying faggot
>>2541580Nuclear fire. What of it?
>jew this
>jew that
>muh jew
Since when here became /pol/?
>>2541578MODS! BAN THIS CHUD FOR HOMOPHOBIA AND HOMOSEXUAL OBSESSION NOW!!!
>>2541554Whitey be like
>Ignore my global blood stained empire, get mad at the man with the funny hat over there It won’t work on me, perfidious Albion!
>>2541561Aint nothing “soft” about cheating on your wife bitch
Marx is even more mah nigha if that true
>>2541583Yeah, huh, what?
>>2541587Don’t get a wife if she can’t keep you idiot
My controversial hot take is that Marxists and Anarchists and indeed revolutionary leftists of all stripes in America need to band together and stop splitting over petty bullshit because if we dont the right is just going to kill us all and consolidate power forever
Everyone should just die, kill everyone
>>2541589Having a wife and a side piece sounds like a good deal fym?
>>2541590All Americans are poisonous subhumans regardless of ideology, kill them all
>>2541593Lying and hiding what you want is female coded, cheating is femoid
Halloween is overrated
>>2541590Ah yes if that massive 3% of the population unites we can all die maybe two months slower brilliant!
>>2541597Who said anything about hiding it?
>>2541598Fuck off Christmas
>>2541590>band together with a anarchist that love fondling children and abuse drugs and anyone that say otherwise is "totalitarian statist"Heck no
>>25415993% of the population actively working together to overthrow an existing system is actually quite a lot. The Bolsheviks started with far less than 3% of the Russian empire in their group
>>2541596White Americans are the ones insisting that black and latino and indigenous Americans aren’t also imperialists raping the earth, they are and always have been
>>2541609>Ignore the American and European militaries, blame the funny hat man, I beg you!<Don’t you remember the 1950s? The 1860s? Wasn’t it better than?Lmao eat my shit peckerwood
Count Orlock ass anglo mfers really send me 😂😂😂
>>2541533Another anti-imperialist banger.
What's the average age of LeftyPol users?
Mind reading technology is real
>>2541629Our hand held devices can read electricity in our brains and show us instantly what we are looking for
Borders should be completely and utterly abolished.
Being a "rootless cosmopolitan" is a good thing, means you grew up.
Nuclear energy is a grift, a way to make weapons, or both and generally the shittiest way we can produce power.
Capitalism works and is great at building productive forces and alleviate poverty.
A religious person can't be a socialist.
>>2541642Truth nukes mixed with Fake nukes
>>2541642>A religious person can't be a socialist.It's true when a Christian touches a labor voucher they spontaneously combust.
What's the idea that communist in China has that aren't popular or well know to communist in the West?
>>2541648Correction, God spontaneously combusts inside their head and they no longer need the magic man cope
>>2541656Confucian values are superior to Christian ones
>>2541656I wanted to say “That communism is capitalism” or that “communism is le inherent blood culture bound to le soil upon which are our forefathers walked” but both positions are extremely popular with Western leftists
Maybe just the belief in speaking Mandarin idk
>>2541658That's wrong in a sense the confucianism has one of the reason that China go stuck culturally and didn't went to industrialized before England, even though they had the human capital for it
Primitive communism is the only actually existing communism, capitalism doesn’t lead to anything other than extinction, not evolution
>>2541670What do you mean by "idealism"?
>>2541674You saying that confucianism is the reason China didnt industrialise
>>2541680Which has a sense of truth on it, to deny confucianism didn't had any influence on China is insane, it's straight up denying history
>>2541684The reason China stagnated was because it stayed as one unified empire, not a bunch of smaller states who stayed around and competed with but couldn’t outright conquer their neighbors like in Europe. European feudal lords were forced to adopt socially destabilizing technology that led to their overhthrow because of that competition which didn’t exist in a unified China.
>>2541689China was too stable huh?
>>2541699Damn, China does that and thinks like that? Dare I say… based?!
>>2541699Chinese are complete hypocrites on drugs btw, they pretend to be austere and sober with a trillion dollar Baijiu and beer industry
>>2541194I hate religion and I am an atheist, Marxist and materialist. But thanks to religious brainwashing and trauma of my youth I can't help but go through episodes of schizo irrational idealism and trying to force myself to believe in religion and it never works and I hate myself for it all.
Religion really does permanently damage the mind. I would be so much more rational if I was never indoctrinated into this shit. I hate it and I hate what it's done to me.
Even now I feel the part of me that wishes I could believe and it makes me want to punch walls. I wish there was a way to undo this part of myself.
>>2541704Bro, for real, are you comparing some cheap beer with fucking meth?
>>2541707Alcohol is a drug, the only people who deny this are alcoholics
>>2541708Bro, look at me, LOOK AT ME, meth is far more dangerous than some cheap beer, the chinaman are right to kill a meth dealer
>>2541710Alcohol is every bit as destructive as meth and heroin, you’re denying this because you’re probably an aloholic
>>2541704Communist beer is not a narcotic. Communist beer and cigarette are health aids because Communist regulations
>>2541711Bro, I don't drink since I end my uni times, look some cheap beer ain't gonna kill the average person or make them deranged like meth does
>>2541710>the chinaman are right to kill a meth dealertrvke
>meth is far more dangerous than some cheap beerfalse nuke
also the chinese beer i tried was kinda mid but a bit more tolerable than local of the same quality/price (accounting for imports)
>>2541713And meth doesn’t make you deranged the first time you do it, it’s either going on a bender or after long term use that you get waking delusions, which you can also drink yourself into
>>2541714In Communism production distribution and consumption of alcohol is highly regulated and leveraged to be total benefit to workers and peasants
>>2541719There’s no form of alcohol consumption that is beneficial
>>2541720Despite what the Quran told you brother this actually isn't true, it can be used as an antiseptic and to clean wounds, to numb pain in injured people, etc
>>2541698Damn. Take that, Marx
Say what you will about meth but it's not known to literally kill you if you try to quit
>>2541721Using alcohol to clean a wound is not consuming it, and isopropyl alcohol is a separate molecule from ethanol
>>2541721There are literally so many better options for pain relief with many fewer adverse side effects that your second point is laughable
>>2541721>it can be used as an antiseptic and to clean woundsmedical ethanol is a solution of 70% (vodka is 40%, beer 4% to 6%)
>numb painonly useful in ancient times or as a desperate measure
>>2541735Half of that is the stress from their vice being illegal and socially unacceptable, alcoholics crash out on a much longer timeline because people around them and society enable their habit until the moment the alcoholic does something totally anti social then he gets cut off.
>>2541741Look, bro, I ain't saying that alcohol can't be dangerous, hell I actually do know a serious alcoholic in real life, I know the danger that alcohol has, but alcohol compared to meth, on general terms, is far more dangerous, far far more, there's a reason alcohol is legal while meth still ilegal
Meth is a nazi drug
Weed and LSD are communist drugs
>>2541760Lsd is neoliberal and weed is constitutional monarchy
>>2541760>smoke weed<get's paranoid
>smoke weed some more<has a psychotic break and become a permanent schizoLSD is the same story too
>>2541763Maybe for you, I’ve been smoking weed all my adult life it hasn’t impacted my productivity, same with every single coworker I have, we’re metallurgists by the way
>>2541756I’d believe you if we didn’t literally prescribe children amphetamines on the regular, we do and it’s fine, so clearly meth crashouts have at least as much to do with our social environment as the chemical itself
>>2541763it's just unfair that we have to circumvent the law and buy bullshit that is 70% drywall or asbestos while some people trip for free because brain magic
>>2541765Lmao, typical junkie cope
>nah, bro I've been smoking since day 1 of my life and nothing happens to meIf I had a couple of dollar for every junkie said something like that I would have a couple of hundreds already, kek.
>>2541774Better than alcohol and better for you
>>2541769The meth a child use is very different from street meth cooked by some dude in his basement mixed with God knows what, to take street meth is literal a gamble and extremely stupid to do, it's like playing russian roulette with your own brain.
>>2541778Which is why it should be legal and regulated like alcohol is
Lsd is a glowie drug
>>2541804The internet is way worse in terms of harm
This site shouldn’t exist, the internet is anti communist technology and needs to be destroyed
>>2541824What? What are you talking about?
Class war is over and has been since the advent of nuclear weapons, they will kill all of you rather than give up power
>>2541827It allows proles to scream into the void and it isolates us through pseudocommunication
>>2541224>reactionary is when you don't share the imperial core's view on social issues"k"
>>2541836Internet doesnt have to be like that.
>>2541838If it could be anything different it would be, the only things possible are what exist now
>>2541842>anti-idpol is idpol, actuallyywnbac
>>2541442Old leftypol had a massive split over Syria and leftypol had a massive split over Ukraine that it has never recovered from. That is tradition of the left to split over issues like that. And you talk about dominance, well they split to other smaller left image boards because the debates were inconsolable. People like Sabo changed overtime while others got irritated and left. It is your opinion that those people were more "Marxist" but everyone damn near believes that they are the real Marxist or the real Leninist or the real ML or the real revolutionary. In short, there is no glorious old leftypol, it is just that your line of thinking got overwhelmed by a different thought and you are upset about it
progress is an illusion.
>>2541194My controversial take is there is no solution to the TFR problem.
People tend to have a vulgarized view of evolution. They still think that all living beings are designed by an all-powerful and supremely wise creator. But it's gayer than god, it's the invisible hand of natural selection. It picks the best, most superior, most aryan supercreatures or something like that. But that's not how it works. Evolution is just the fact that living beings that die off don't exist anymore, applied over millions of years. Nothing about us or any other creature was designed, and evolution has no guarantees about the future at all.
Things can and do go wrong with us. Humanity didn't experience pandemics, obesity, insomnia, teeth issues, posture issues, scurvy, the list goes on and on for the vast majority of its history because they were hunter-gatherers. I believe that the decrease of fertility below replacement levels is an inevitable result of subordinating human life to more rationality that won't go away under socialism or under reactionary regimes. Reproduction was something that just happened to you. Some primitive cultures didn't even know that sex caused it.
Rationality is here to stay, of course - it is the biological human beings who brought it into existence who will be gone.
>>2541202First point doesn't understand what private property means and takes the rightoid strawman of it seriously.
Second point is not a thing. There are biological differences between men and women. That's not to say a lot of gender stuff isn't bullshit and based on s o c i e t y and all that, but that doesn't eliminate the undeniable differences between sexes. An abolition of biological sex would require huge advancements in science and require a brutal totalitarian regime in order to implement. Modern transgender science still has a long way to go and that's
Third point is dumb and again comes off like a rightoid strawman. "Oh you want community spaces? You must want to abolish private toilets then!"
Fourth point is actually true in isolation but I have a feeling it's trying to underline other much dumber arguments.
Fifth point is based.
Sixth point is unironically viable but if I think if you immediately gave people that much free time they would freak out. So I would start with a three day weekend.
>>2541869There’s absolutely a true Marxism and it’s tied to Marx’s writings and work
The splits you mentioned were:
1. A 2017 Hitlerite civil war
2. The 2022 victory of neo-hitlerism (eastern) against invariant internationalists (proletarian revolutionary trvke droppers) and ukrainian Hitlerites (meaningless since they are perfectly mirrored by Z-faggot campists)
>>2541998>require a brutal totalitarian regime in order to implement. if that's what it takes then so be it
>>2541202>Reduce the work week to three days and the workday to four hours or less.unironically the least realistic part of this post, but still a good one among other dangerously good and beautiful ones
>>2541998what does private property mean?
>>2542004What are you a gender accelerationist? Who's gonna enforce that and hold monopoly on violence in your totalitarian regime? Ex military neo amazonian nomadic war machine transbians?
>>2541391>atheism is growing in almost every nation, moot pointSo why be the insufferable asshole and obsess about people's faith when we live in mostly secular societies and there are more important fights to fight? Just prove me that this isn't just some smug reddit atheist debate-dunking crusade masking itself as liberating the people from oppression.
>>2542012what youre basically saying is that being condescending to religious people is better than being honest with them.
>>2542011>Ex militaryno, just military. everyone is serving
(and listening to death grips, too)>neo amazonian no need to retvrn to any previous apparition or invoke their spirits
>nomadic war machine yes
>transbians?why transbians though, obsessed much? becoming-transbian would be an option however
>>2542008Private property is the private ownership of land, factories, etc. The means of production. It's not your toothbrush or your iPhone. That's personal property which is a separate concept. Socialism has no interest in your small personal items, that's another rightoid strawman.
Also, even if all housing was "publicly owned" that would not mean that you could just barge into someone's house and live there. Houses, apartments, etc would still be assigned to individuals and families. If you break into government housing that's still trespassing.
>>2542017>>2542012Because 90% of capitalism’s working class supporters support the system because religious induced lack of critical thinking
>>2542022Many tranwahmen are ex militaty is all. Not obsessed, just dont think transbians would trust a straggot transwahman with this kind of stuff. Also g/acc is mostly transbians i think
>>2542022>everyone is servingNah, its gonna be like red terror. Mobile ex military transbians on helicopters terrorizing reactionary le straggots
>>2542012Anon there's no fucking way you have been paying attention to US politics if you're saying bullshit like this.
Religious fundamentalism is alive and well in politics.
>>2542037for the most part true in execution but helicopters are inherently fascist, like them potatoes. my girls would do tunnel warfare with them swarowski encrusted drills as the destratified phallic form. fuel tanks, the tits (bare steel)
>>2541202i mean none of this is especially unorthodox as far as communism goes. i just think most people, including communists, would rightly be confused about your insistence on not having personal space and i'd agree with them. i generally support communal living spaces for practical and cultural reasons but i dont think accomodating a desire for basic personal space would be difficult in or contrary to even a transitional socialist society
>>2542023>Private property is the private ownership of land, factories, etcaccording to marx, private property is simply individual property, so would extend from factories to toothbrushes:
<Private property, as the antithesis to social, collective property, exists only where the means of labour and the external conditions of labour belong to private individuals. But according as these private individuals are labourers or not labourers, private property has a different character.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch32.htm >>2542033everyone's brainwashed…
except you, of course.
Yep
>>2542046>helicopters are inherently fascistHow?
>>2542017I'm saying that religion doesn't matter and only thing you do is alienating people for no reason only for some philosophical smugness if you press atheism as some core tennent and hard requirement. The best fucking practice unironically is just not talk about religion or faith and leave it as a personal thing. Literally not worth gatekeeping over this.
>>2542033retard
>>2542039I'm not an american, so I can't say. Also you are probably just equating being religious and being reactionary. my guess is good luck organizing a movement in america if gatekeeping levels of atheism is a hill you are willing to die on.
>>2542054Anon did you not read the quote?
<where the means of labour and the external conditions of labour belong to private individualsHe's obviously talking about the relationship an individual has to their labor as a craftsman/artisan/etc vs a proletarian. Private property relates to the means of production.
>>2542065>I can't say>my guessMaybe don't spout shit you don't know anything about? Pay the fuck attention to what reactionaries in the most powerful country in the world are saying.
>>2542067literally nobody sane outside of the US gives a shit about Us internal affairs or culture wars at this point. Everybody knows you are more or less a lost cause. Your reactionaries are your fight in the end, and just hopes you don't get everybody else in a WW3.
So whatever you say American conditions. I don't know either way as I said and as you said. It's your fight and funeral or victory.
>>2542065mainstream politics in america is christian nationalism
should we not speak about theocracy?
>>2542064psychogeographically fascist. while nomadic they produce a great deal of noise (noise is not inherently fascist or totalitarian, in fact so-called "music" is a thousand times more fascist in its form and presentation) and/but this noise is largely atavistic. failing to abolish it entirely, the fascist helicopter disrupts navigation of others in the hearing range, imposing its prescence and absolute will of the pilot upon theirs
is this >>>/dead/ yet >>2542066cite a source where marx distinguishes between "personal property" and "private property".
I agree with everything bad empanada has said about American soldiers.
>>2542078It extends to all American citizens
>>2542080it is becoming-bigger when i abolish it. sometimes i abolish it too hard, i tear the white face
>>2542082Does having gay sex get you kicked out of the party or not, answer the question
My controversial view is that the leftypol bunkerchan split should have never happened. That watermelon was a massive egotistical bastard and that d0llars was the best BO that the bunker had after space_ fucked off.
Brap
Sniffs
>>2542086>Gay sex in bedroomNo
>Gay sex on the streetsYes, just as for straight couples
Starting to get it now? Deeply, this reflects a different cultural system than yours but its still validy even if it is foreign to youy krakka
>>2542091Every split made the site worse. Every split was about clashing egos.
My le controversial take is that le everyone should take le ICP seriously
>>2542099
>the comprador bourgeois, the main cause of evil is homosexualsNot everyone is from latam here, dude
>>2542100Every split proved the previously held tankie position right.
>>2542101You will never get me to put clown makeup on and drink faygo
>>2542108<idpol only exists in latin americaif you're talking about the term
comprador bourgeois being latam imperialist collaborators only then might as well restrict the use of
bourgeoisie to the urbanites of western europe
>Compradors are a bourgeois class in colonized countries that collaborates with foreign imperialists. >>2542056Yes, especially compared to MLs and Christoids
>>2542119You are missing the point entirely.
You are not dangerous as gay. You are dangerous proletarian. Being gay proletarian isn't a superpower. It's normal.
You are living in a corporate created "cultural bubble" you think is "Western Normal" while it's isn't even a mainstream belief. You are culturally killing yourselves while economically killing yourselves.
Can you stop please? Last time this happened your ilk turned into Nazis, while IRL and 24/7 your opinion polls and politicians talk about necessary confrontations, tariffs, and potential war scenarios with China.
Can you stop plz
>>2542151what
>while IRL and 24/7 your opinion polls and politicians talk about necessary confrontations, tariffs, and potential war scenarios with China.<only americans ever use this website >>2542155Are you from the West? Your politicians do this. Even if they don't govern yet, they will in the future – some of them.
It's geopol analysis, dude.
You are nazifying SJW- and pol/cel/-style at the same time as two sides of the same coin dude
>>2541194That the only way to achieve revolution is by a massive conscious sacrifice by the proletariat where people willing jump into the grinding machine. Only when enough blood is spilled will the revolution happen.
But the masses will not willingly give up their life. So revolution will not happen
>>2542160>You are nazifying SJW- and pol/cel/-style at the same time as two sides of the same coin dudei completely agree because that was the point i was trying to make. both focused on
identity politics "geopolitics" is an anti-marxist reactionary pseudoscience used to justify acts of fascist and imperialist aggression, read the soviet encyclopedia's entry on it
The Left created an impression it doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but marginalized groups which has essentially ceded the concept of a mass movement to the right, rather than attempting to rectify this, the standard response is to act like it already has and that bringing this up any further is the real problem.
Controversial to the majority?
US is running a ponzi scheme economy that is completely driven by debt and is failing as an empire. Its currency is fiat, its production capabilities are in decline, it has a tremendous debt that is growing, militarily its overstretched and tries to be involved at many conflicts at the same time. It is more likely that US as empire will be a more passive on looker after 5 - 10years have passed than a consistent aggressor of conflicts. I find it very unlikely that an all out war will happen between Russia / China and US. More conflicts will not save the US economy from paying its interest on debt, nor will it cause economic growth.
Its most important vassal states (western European union) have been in sharp decline for the last 20 years. The EU project is a complete failure if you look at how the GDP as percentage of world GDP developed within the last 20 years (consistent decline every quarter!). This is despite these western countries also taking on tremendous debts and printing money, far more than a lot of their competitors are doing. To top it off their currency is shared by a few southern European countries with debt problems just as bad if not worse than the USA. The other member states can not bail out all of these southern countries.
I think its extremely likely that US will stop being the empire as we know it within the next 5 - 10 years and that EU countries will further drop into irrelevancy. Its more likely that there is massive unrest in Europe than US in the future even though US will crash. There will likely not be a civil war type of scenario that the US right wing fawns all over.
A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization–if it were possible–would be reactionary, since, with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/append.htmI think every child above the age of nine ought to be employed at productive labour a portion of its time, but the way in which they are made to work under existing circumstances is abominable.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1868/machinery-speech.htm>>2541869Leftypol changed gigantically from the days of 8chan and so did its /pol/ userbase.
>>2541459I think most of the right and left from the west (EU / US) both stopped caring compared to 15-20 years ago. US seems on an inevitable downward spiral with its gigantic debt + interest payments and only the dumbest of the right wing unironically follows Trump. Western Europe has had a clownshow of
leadership the last 15-20 years that's somehow even worse than the clown sitting in the white house currently. Western Europe will follow US into the decline and will end up getting hurt worse than US will.
There's no saving these western countries anymore of what's to come. There is no policy to turn things around. Nobody really wants a revolution because then a lot of economic pain needs to be taken by society.
>>2542217>because then a lot of economic pain needs to be taken by societyThat’s happening regardless
>>2541760I fully agree with this take. Weed and LSD make you slow and stupid which is good because proletarians have a right to be lazy af. Petty-bourgeois managerial types and their ilk are those abusing cocaine, speed and meth. Ritalin is concentrated Hitler particles.
>>2542288Leftists used to use amphetamines heavily in the 1960s, it was largely what fueled the hippie movement, but over time it destroyed the hippe's minds and left them in permanent psychosis so they found Jesus or became scientologists or whatever.
>>2541998>First point doesn't understand what private property meansNo, I'm pretty sure you don't know what private property means, and what the actual implications of communist organization are. I do mean indeed to abolish all kinds of ownership. The Communists seek the abolition of private property as such.
What, however, are the implications of the abolition of every and all kinds of ownership? That one owns nothing, that 'ownership' in fact as a word becomes purely colloquial and in reference to an individual's particular USE of an object for whatever period of time, whether it is until this individual is dead or otherwise.
The Communists destroy any and all kinds of ownership, for the Communists this notion becomes redundant, for what does humanity own vis a vis to? Nature? God? Wherein not only private property but the private individual as such ceases to exist, what can it MEAN to "own" if not only TO USE? Without this juxtaposition to the other, ownership ceases to mean anything.
One no longer "owns" even their own clothing - instead, they wear them, or even the paper they use to wipe their ass - instead, they use it to wipe. Objects cease to be meaningful outside of their utility. Only man endures as meaningful in and of himself.
It is not that all individuals like a pious community of monks forsake ownership in the vein of humbling themselves to god. It is that their ownership is in a sense a given, therefore becomes redundant, because no longer do any men own vis a vis other men, at the same time those objects otherwise owned become testament to the endurance and strength of the new order, they become finally mere semblances, vanishing apparitions of man's wider conquest of all nature and his expansion to all corners of space, i.e. they are recognized as disposable and useful only in the context of a now infinite conquest of nature, of an infinite revolutionizing of the means of production that never ends.
To possess anxiety over the idea that in this hypothetical context an other may steal, may therefore deprive you of your use of an object… Is to betray that one has failed to grasp the most basic and elementary understanding of the essence of Communism.
That is, it is this anxiety itself (over the other) which is the root cause of actual theft in the first place. If you wish to insist on that anxiety, do yourself a favor and admit that you insist that Communism is impossible, forget about such silly questions (of ownership in a future society) and enjoy your life, for you have already admitted that you insist such a future society cannot exist in the first place.
>>2541998>Second point is not a thing. There are biological differences between men and women. Never said otherwise. But these essential biological differences are reflected onto to be essential social differences, which is retarded. That's my point. We are proletarians and therefore socially equal members of society
despite our essential differences. That's the point. It isn't like that today.
>>2541998>Third point is dumb and again comes off like a rightoid strawman.I won't argue about my takes on the housing question because none of you are ready for these trvkes.
instead of people being forced to use their real name on the internet they should have their total net worth displayed next to their usernames
>>2542293I remember someone arguing that to Marx any alienated property is private property, including state owned property. So in that case public/private which is how most people frame it nowadays is a red herring.
>>2541430prometheus has luciferian characteristics if you think about it
>>2541202>I also advocate for communal baths and toilets, though that may be too radical for some here.I keep having a recurrent nightmare about being trapped in a giant communal bath, thank you for reminding me
>>2542171>The Left created an impression it doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but marginalized groupsliterally only nazis get that impression, and i'm not sure if they even fully subscribe to it, or if it's just some clumsy sleight of hand to justify mass murder abroad.
>>2542381I mean there are actual stats (inb4 "The democrats aren't the left and no one considers them left or representative of it") that shows people see the dems as "caring about marginalized groups" but not caring about working people, but again this goes into my second point of doing anything
except acknowledging this impression is real and is a problem to be fixed.
That there has never been a socialist/lower stage of communism state because they have always been betrayed before they could achieve it. That Leninism and its derivatives, being authoritarian, are very effective at transforming a semi-feudal country in a capitalist one, but will never be able to transform a capitalist country into a socialist/lower stage of communism one, because they are held back by the very ideological components that allowed their revolutions to succeed and their regimes to remain stable: vanguardism, "democratic" centralism, top-down control of the economy, and nationalism.
>>2542387>that shows people see the dems as "caring about marginalized groups" but not caring about working peoplewell this is a characterization that pretty much defines the right wing position, and is immensely popular with xitter nazis, seems like it's pretty popular with you too, you're always so close to literally spouting white supremacist talking points, why would that be?
Our whole society's conception of health is completely fucked, heavily influenced by ableism and classism and capitalism and fascist eugenics bullshit. Health is treated as a matter of personal responsibility, illnesses and disabilities are treated as moral failings or lack of discipline, natural human traits and feelings are pathologized, human bodies are thought of like manufactured products that must be improved and optimized for maximum efficiency, weeding out the weak or sickly or strange-looking ones, building a generation of strong able-bodied conveniently interchangeable workers all the same shape and size. Bourgeoisie would-be leftists remain utterly ignorant of the systemic poverty that leads to higher rates of obesity, drug addiction, alcoholism, tobacco use, etc. and continue to engage in body shaming and perpetuating outmoded stereotypes about fat people being lazy and entitled and rich which the reality is the direct opposite.
>>2542000>hitlerismUnserious and Instantly dismissed
AI supporters get the bullet too.
>>2541194<muh immigrantswhere and why do you think 'bring millions of immigrants from very radical different cultures' is happening. the way you say this is very reactionary-coded, this is mainly a concern fascists bring up with 'white replacement' mythology completely divorced from factual analysis.
<muh genes'i was born gay' is an outdated liberal take. you can choose to be gay, or trans, and thats ok too. we are so far from understanding the intricacies of genetics, let alone consciousness, that to assume literally anything that broad about genetics is absurd. even very specific genes affect people's phenotypes, let alone psychological behavior, in significantly different ways. again, this is another reactionary-coded talking point, one step towards racist eugenics. typical fascist reasoning goes something like: 'different genes cause different behaviors' => 'different races are prone to different behaviors' => 'different races have different crime rates due to genetics' => 'some races are superior to others' => 'we must strictly control and regulate the inferior races for their own good' => 'we must exterminate the inferior races for our own races safety'. regardless of your intent, this is the obvious interpretation of your statements and why one might think you are a 'eugenicist'.
<muh desert religionevangelicals and fundamentalists of any particular religion will be reactionary and vile, and less evangelical and less fundamentalist interpretations exist for every single major religion, many of these non-fundamentalist and non-evangelical interpretations being perfectly compatible with life under socialism or communism. the main issue is preventing religious organizations from having tax-exempt status, or any significant ability to influence politics. if people want to make non-dogmatic metaphysical speculations, let them.
ok so here's some of my own controversial takes.
>consciousness is not reducible to physics, and most leftists have a crude understanding of what 'Idealism' means, equating it merely to solipsism.many kinds of empiricist idealism are fully compatible with communist modes of organization and governance, and this insistence on vulgar physicalism will only drive away people that prefer to think of life as more meaningful than random atoms bumping into each other. I find Lenin's definition of 'materialism' in 'empirio-criticism', where the only defining quality of matter is that it 'exists outside our own minds', to be more useful than the pop-science misanthropic redditor attitude most leftists seem to have.
>most leftist spaces have reactionary attitudes when it comes to sex and gender.'anyone who has trouble having a fulfilling romantic life is a misogynist incel' is a take i see too commonly among so called feminists. as a nonbinary neurodivergent person that has been studying feminist history and theory since before i could masturbate, and whose social issues are caused by mental health problems, this is a hurtful idea to see in leftist communities. Women, even leftist feminist women, often unintentionally reinforce toxic attitudes about men being conquering raping savages, mocking those who fail at this standard, it often seems that the only way to be a feminist ally as a masculine-coded person to some leftists is to transition, be gay, or be some caricature of a right-wing 'chad' meme but its leftist somehow because you are attractive. I worry we are losing a sizeable contingent of neurodivergent males and AMAB people to this particular trend of social media tribalism.
>>2541590>splitting over petty bullshitit's not petty bullshit and you'd know that if you read theory. There's a gap between communists and anarchists and people trying to tell you they are both or 'anarchocommunist' are as retarded as people thinking that if you mix water and oil fast and long enough, you get woil or oter.
>>2542563> I find Lenin's definition of 'materialism' in 'empirio-criticism', where the only defining quality of matter is that it 'exists outside our own minds', to be more useful than the pop-science misanthropic redditor attitude most leftists seem to have.I've heard matter = infinite and indefinite, and I like this characterization even more. But why is not consciousness reducable to physics? Why can't brain matter (in motion) produce a subjective effect of consciousness?
>>2542390Don’t forget the social division of labour, that is a big one. Part of their fate is explained by their failure to dismantle the Collective Worker in the way it had previously been composed by Capital and made reliant upon Capital
>>2542171Why do you come here daily to write gay tripe from fucking Stupidpol you fag?
>>2542530Meaningless liberal response
“Le reality says capitalism cannot be overcome so let me masturbate to warmongering bourgeois dictator manlet cunts!”
Lmao
Die
>>2542085Nah, you’re just a moraloid faggot, you should burn down your home with yourself and your family inside it
>Inb4 the retard thinks “moralism” is when you don’t worship the idea of unrestrained murder and not when you’re a moron that separates the world into the heroic good races who should rule and the evil races that should be destroyed >>2542097Marxists aren’t cultural relativists, faggot, we don’t think “muh culture” justifies brutalizing and imprisoning proles for arbitrary nonsense; we don’t give a flying FUCK about any bourgeois or premodern le traditionalist cultures, don’t get it twisted
Anyone that believes “muh cultural values” justifies killing proles is a fascist and needs to be treated like one
>>2542530"Geopolitics" is an imperialist ideology, retard.
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/fi/vol03/no09/cadman.htm>Geopolitics, it is clear, is not a science but an imperialist myth. Geographical “problems” exist only in the sense that capitalism forces peoples into violent competition with one another in the course of which arguments from geography are used as a means for enslavement and exploitation while raw materials are denied the poverty stricken millions who need them. Under an international socialist economy, geography will no longer constitute a political or economic barrier to world-wide amity and cooperation, and the raw materials of the earth will be utilized for the collective use of mankind. Nobody really has very much agency or choice in their life. Like any natural organism we are all born into the world with random hardcoded abilities and traits and limitations and our lives are largely determined by random circumstance. We try to be in control, we tell ourselves we're in control, but we're not. Never were, never will be. Some people are lucky and can find a place in this world; other people will never find any place in this world, no matter how hard they try. They are just born to suffer and die, to never know anything but pain.
>>2542655It was MLs that started this left unity faggotry since they knew everyone else fucking hated them and they can only really “argue” their own retarded anti-communist nonsense by making it verboten to criticize their adolescent stupidity
Why the left bickered a lot between themselves and can't unite?
>>2542530gr8 b8 m8, the encyclopedia itself clearly demonstrates its links to the nazis and the neo-nazis that attempt justifying them
>A bourgeois, reactionary concept that uses distorted interpretations of physical and economic geography to justify and promote the aggressive policies of imperialist states. Geopolitics's core ideas are the assertion of the decisive role of physical and geographical conditions in the life of human society and the inequality of races (see Racism). The theories of Social Darwinism (see Social Darwinism) and Malthusianism (see Malthusianism) are also used. Geopoliticians make extensive use of the concepts of "living space," "natural boundaries," and geographic location to justify militarism and wars of conquest.
>The concept of geopolitics arose during the period of imperialism. The first representatives of geopolitics were the Swedish political scientist and pan-Germanist R. Kjellén, who proposed the term "geopolitics" during the First World War (1914-1918) (as a doctrine of the state - a geographical and biological organism striving for expansion), the German geographer F. Ratzel, the English geographer H. Mackinder, the American admiral A. T. Mahan. In the period between the two world wars, geopolitics was intensively cultivated in Germany. Geopolitics became the official doctrine of German fascism. The head of the German geopoliticians was General K. Haushofer, the founder and editor (in 1924-44) of the journal "Zeitschrift für Geopolitik", which promoted the ideas of revanchism and aggression; K. Haushofer was closely connected with the leadership of the fascist [Nazi] party. In the United States in the 1940s, geopolitics' ideas were developed by N. Speakman and other geographers and sociologists.
>After World War II (1939–45), geopolitics began to revive in the United States, West Germany, and other imperialist states to justify the militarization of their countries, aggressive policies, and ideas of revanchism directed against socialist countries and national liberation movements. In West Germany, the journal "Zeitschrift für Geopolitik" was republished in 1951; the "Union of Geopolitics" was revived. Contemporary geopoliticians attempt to explain the contrast between socialist and capitalist countries by geographic factors.
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