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>>2540468Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Alrighty let's try this again.
The DOJ is now directly coming after popular congressional candidates who've committed the crime of regularly protesting ICE's brutality. It's clear they're using the case against Kat Abughazaleh as a test to see what they can get away with and they're going to be much more flagrant about rounding up and arresting everyone who so much as criticizes America's "golden age" pretty soon. Between this and food stamps running out I think November is going to be an optimal month to radicalize normies and get them on board with the idea that electoralism wont save them. Any specific thoughts on how we can approach this?
>>2541969I mean yeah that’s the argument I’ve heard from some lolberts: “back in the day community charities and churches would take care of you, not big daddy government!”
Which ignores that the Mormon Church at the least had to back off that stuff cause they didn’t want to appear to be “communist”. I’ve also heard some advice for people who were homeless that amounted to “go to church, even if you don’t believe, because some parishioners might help you get a job.”
There aren’t really visible alternatives for most people out there.
>>2542026pragmatism is itself ideological
>>2542041And again, it's worth mentioning that MAGA Christianity is fundamentally social darwinist in its outlook. The poor are poor because they deserve it, Jesus's teachings only apply to our "kinsmen", God helps those who help themselves, etc
>>2542044MAGA Christianity is full on idolatry at this point. They’ve literally added the Declaration of Independence to their canon of holy texts. Even then they like the idea of the declaration and the constitution, they like the image, the idol. They despise the real thing.
That aside the post I was responding to was about the end of SNAP benefits driving more people to churches. That’s the likely outcome. In prior times things like “people not being able to buy food” would be an immense crisis. Though I doubt this is one the left could really take advantage of.
Jesus would have hated America
i don't think the shutdown will extend past november tbh, if that's what's going to hold back SNAP. Also doesnt walmart receive gov subsidies in the form of SNAP programes? lmfao
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) called on people Wednesday to stop listening to Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and suggested her politics are moving leftward.
Greene’s criticism of her fellow Republicans has escalated in recent days amid the government shutdown. Speaking on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” Cruz urged people to not “spend much time worrying about what Marjorie is saying.”
“What I’ve found is that whenever an elected official decides that they are going to turn on Israel and hate Israel, you will very quickly see every other policy out of their mouth become very, very liberal,” Cruz continued. “And so suddenly Marjorie is for massive government spending and taxes and open borders and amnesty.”
“OK, fine,” he said. “That is not where the American people are. Where the American people are is real simple. We’re on Day 29 of the stupidest shutdown.”
Cruz followed Sen. Bernie Moreno’s (R-Ohio) plea for Greene to stop openly criticizing House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.).
“If this is something she‘s passionate about, put pen to paper, write a bill, present an option,” Moreno said during an appearance on CNN’s “The Source.” “Don‘t just criticize what other people are doing.”
Back in July, Greene called the humanitarian crisis in Gaza since the outbreak of war between Israel and Hamas a “genocide,” becoming the first congressional Republican to say so. She followed this by blasting the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), adding that it should register as a foreign lobbyist.
“Israel is not hurting, and they’ve already proven that they are more than capable of not only defending themselves, but annihilating their enemies to the point of genocide,” Greene said on a show hosted by former Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) on One America News Network in August. “And that’s what’s happening in Gaza.”
Cruz has dismissed Greene’s criticisms toward Johnson before. In May, he called her effort to oust Johnson from his leadership position “silly.”
“And I think Marjorie Taylor Greene, to try to topple the Speaker increases the chances of chaos, it increases the chances of handing control to the Democrats,” Cruz said on the RealClearPolitics radio show. “And there is zero chance a more conservative Speaker will result, so I think what she’s doing is really unhelpful to the country.”
America is the first non dialectical space, it’s all one thing, only one thing, and can never move or change
Americans are rocks and you cannot communicate with them, you and material circumstances cannot change their minds because there is no mind to change
>>2542057It's what I've been saying, MAGA Christianity is essentially just a nominally pro-Jewish version of Christian Identity and about as doctrinally sound. The Bible is tortured out of context to make Jesus into some kind of nationalist warrior who purges the weak and uplifts the strong, while "foreign invaders" are openly compared to the Philistines as well as the implication that we should deal with them the same way the ancient Israelites did
Except unlike Christian Identity, MAGA Identity has explicit state backing, and opposition to it is considered opposition to Christianity itself, which the state has already defined as terrorism. I think there will be a rush to churches at first, but these churches will quickly be accused of being "antifa safehouses" or hiding illegals or whatnot and threatened with schoastic terrorism for not complying, and most of them will go along with it out of fear of having their churches burned down. To say nothing of non-Christian faiths which will either be marginalized or purged outright. In the coming weeks expect to see Jesus and Christianity invoked to justify starving millions of Americans and rounding up and imprisoning anyone who protests
>>2542102What are you doing here?
>>2542092Most well-intentioned people in the US just cannot tell the difference between Marx and Jesus quotes, like in their head Marx is all about giving to the poor and that's basically all he ever did or say. It's depressing if you think about it.
>>2542084by the way, speaking of the congress….
I can't see how this won't bite back in the GOP's asses, unless they really pull the monarchy/unlimited trump re-election stunt.
>>2542038could we do an online campaign + organize at food banks
>>2542088i think evangelicism still retains chrstianity millenarian aspect, it's just that evangelicals sit at the side of power. if christianity is all about a doting god figure rewarding the true-believers, then evangelicals have all the proof they need right now to feel like god is satisfied with what they're doing.
>>2542104Laura Loomer is a top tier milf
>>2542117She doesn't have kids though?
>>2542117hell no. she's ugly as sin
>>2542053Dinesh is an insufferable faggot that needs to be gulaged.
>>2542116I like how mad pebblethrow gets when people edit his comics to make the opposite point he tries to depict. his public rants gives good giggles.
>>2542104Can someone kirk loomer please? I hate that bitch. God please kill this evil bitch.
>>2542116This isnfucking awesome actually
>>2542135why do so many jewish people have this face
>>2542117>milfanon she's in her early 30's. she's just bogged as fuck.
>>2542084equilibrium cleric drip
>>2542116FWIW the one thing I do see a lot of critically supportive China people complain about is the Chengguan busting up street vendors, which regularly causes protests to kick off.
>>2542130>>2542116wait what was the original? how could those panels be construed as anything else?
>>2542154Plot twist. That is the original.
>>2542157unlikely.
>>2542154probably a mixture of different pannels. one attacking socialist countries, other attacking biden economic plans.
>>2542143My impression is neither Vance nor Rubio are good replacements. Vance is like a wokescolding liberal with his faggy tut-tuting twitter posts, basically a rightoid version of Buttigieg. Rubio is an establishment stooge neocon with pit stains to go with his negative charisma.
>>2542176He really bought into his own lies that the Republicans were the real party of social justice huh
>>2542181He thinks Indians are White, so he's not so much upset about the racism but about being accused of being a lesser race.
>>2542184the caste system needs to be deleted already
>>2542176pfffffaahahahaha i actually laughed at this one
>>2542176>D'Souza has promoted several conspiracy theories, such as the false claim that Obama was not born in the United States[166][167] and the conspiracy theory that the Clintons had murdered people.[168][169] D'Souza has also promoted false claims about businessman and philanthropist George Soros, including that Soros had collaborated with the Nazis as a youth, and that he has sponsored antifa, a left-wing anti-fascist movement.
>In August 2017, D'Souza suggested that the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally had been staged.[
>In November 2013, D'Souza received backlash for referring to Obama as "Grown-Up Trayvon" in a tweet.
>In February 2015, D'Souza wrote: "You can take the boy out of the ghetto" in a post criticizing Obama for using a selfie stick.[51][167] After the post was criticized as racist, D'Souza posted: "I know Obama wasn't actually raised in a ghetto—I'm using the term metaphorically, to suggest his unpresidential conduct".[51]
>In November 2017, D'Souza mocked Beverly Young Nelson, one of the women who accused Roy Moore of sexual misconduct,[53][177] and posted: "I was lukewarm on Roy Moore until the last-minute smear. Now we must elect him to show that the @washingtonpost sleaze attack failed".[
>In February 2018, D'Souza was criticized for a series of posts which mocked the survivors of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. D'Souza also accused the survivors of "politically-orchestrated grief" and said that their grief "[struck him] as phony and inauthentic".[
>He defended the Southern slave owners and said, "The American slave was treated like property, which is to say, pretty well."[52] D'Souza also called for a repeal of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and argued: "Given the intensity of black rage and its appeal to a wide constituency, whites are right to be nervous. Black rage is a response to black suffering and failure, and reflects the irresistible temptation to attribute African American problems to a history of white racist oppression."[53]
>In the second chapter of his 2002 book, What's So Great About America, D'Souza argues that while colonialism was terrible, it had the unintended consequence of lifting third world countries up to Western civilization. colonialism … proved to be the mechanism that brought millions of nonwhite people into the orbit of Western freedom.
>He holds up the European colonization of India as an example, arguing that in the long run colonization was beneficial for India, because it introduced Western law, universities, infrastructure, and the like, while effectively ending human sacrifice, the practice of Sati, and other "charming indigenous customs".[66]
>In early 2007, D'Souza published The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and its Responsibility for 9/11, in which he argues that the American cultural left was in large part responsible for the Muslim anger that led to the September 11 attacks.[68] He argues that Muslims do not hate America because of its freedom and democracy, but because they perceive America to be imposing its moral depravity (support for sexual licentiousness) on the world.[69] D'Souza also argues that the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse was a result of "the sexual immodesty of liberal America", and asserts that the conditions of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay "are comparable to the accommodations in mid-level Middle Eastern hotels."[70]
>In July 2017, D'Souza published The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left. In the book, D'Souza asserts that the 2016 Democratic Party platform was similar to the platform of the Third Reich
>He characterizes Adolf Hitler as a liberal. also claims that Hitler was an LGBTQ sympathizer
>During an interview on The Colbert Report on January 16, 2007, while promoting his book The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11, D'Souza maintained that liberals had some responsibility for the September 11 attacks. He said liberals' "penchant for interference" had a decided effect in convincing the Carter administration to withdraw support from the Shah, which brought on Muslim fundamentalists' control of the Iranian governmen
>On January 23, 2014, D'Souza was charged with making $20,000 in illegal campaign contributions to the New York Senate campaign of Wendy Long and causing false statements to be made to the Federal Election Commission.[194][195][196. On May 31, 2018, President Donald Trump pardoned D'Souza.[36][138][204]
>D'Souza and Brubaker married in 1992.[ While D'Souza was being sentenced for campaign finance fraud in 2014, Brubaker wrote a letter to the judge alleging that D'Souza had physically abused her; she claimed that "in April 2012 … he, using his purple belt karate skills, kicked me in the head and shoulder, knocking me to the ground and creating injuries that pain me to this day."[208][209]
> >>2542224they should have a sumo fight to the death
>>2542221If any dem was smart they would be helping this guy sue for this shit. I know the courts are a joke but it’s important to fight back on all fronts.
>>2542068God she's hilarious. Qanon braindeath actually turned her into a broken clock that's right twice a day
>>2542068maj taylor green , haz, hinkle teamup when?
>>2542255When their handler calls
>>2542255nightmare blunt rotation
>>2542264Tulsi:
I'm putting together a team >>2542221>$2 million bondI've seen murder bonds lower than that
>some interpreted it as a threatHow? You'd have to be illiterate to see that as a threat. This is clearly just a lie.
>>2542068it's funny how the GOP suddenly turns into limp-wristed Democrats rhetorically when they face substantive criticism from inside the party
incredibly weak
it just shows that all their strongman bullshit is a farce and they just haven't been facing serious opposition from either the Democrats or the media
the nanosecond they faced real political/institutional opposition they'd collapse
I've begun to realize that it's impossible to have a real relationship or friendship with Americans. As someone who has many friends across the world there is a tangible difference between how people in the non settler world understand community and people emershed in the settler-colonial mentality. For Americans everything is built around "individual liberty" above all, this liberty fundamentally is really about escaping the consequences of their actions. Americans never allow themselves to part of a community where they could potentially be ostracized for being a selfish prick and because this has been baked in since the very first settlers arrived to genocide native americans it has been a foundational piller of the American mindset. It is self-reinforcing and the alienation from this mindset has been historically offset by genocide and imperial plunder, but now that the treats are going away we are only left with the hollow selfish mindset. Whenever one tries to make friends with an American in their mind its "how can I use this person to benefit me and elevate my position" only once in a very long while have I met an American that hasn't been like this. And if you try to point it out that they are being selfish they blow the fuck up on you "how dare you disagree with me, BLOCKED".
Nothing can be criticized nothing can be learned from such behavior. It seeps into things like organizing where in other places you can go up to friends and say "hey lets organize and get something better for ourselves" but because Americans are so averse to any kind of reprocussions if there are speedbumps, that might mean they would have to face consequences *gasp*. As a result any such organization is a non-starter and puts off anyone trying to actually be empathetic, any attempt to fight for a better world must be conducted through "personal betterment" rather than a collective action because that doesn't bother other people individually as much. Until the Settler mentality is destroyed the people that inhabit the landmass that the illegitimate American state is squatting on are fundamentally incabable of bettering themselves. That is why young men are increasingly isolated because interacting with other Americans is so exhausting and aggravating traditional methods for advancement like college are abandoned because no one wants to go to school with other Americans, same with modern workplaces. No more profit to ease the pain of their inability to concieve or real human connection.
I think the only solution for leftists is a program of ritualized de-Americanization where when a person enters the party they have to go through a process that allows them to mentally unshackle themsleves from their previous identity and be reborn into a collective mindset and understand the world beyond their own selfish needs, a sort of pardon for their previous selfishness and aggreement that they can be held accountable by a greater architecture in their new life.
Whatever this mindset will ultimatley be ground to dust by history, it's just unfortunate one has to experience the worst of it in real time.
>>2542300You’re literally just suggesting Alcoholics Anonymous but for Americanism, it’s a shame the success rate for 12 step programs is less than 3%, if we’re not killed the best thing to do is to drug us and leave us in jail
>>2542310>just openly turns from talking to attempted vehicular homicide resulting in a crashnormal
>>2542300You know NATO countries are like this too, right? As well as Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The enlightenment liberal individualism is not exclusively burger.
>>25423053% is still better than 0% tbh, but yea we pretty much need America rehab.
>>2542316All of those are also settler countries. I use the USA as an example because they are the most preminent settler nation. Israel only managed to kind of escape it because it is formed from the previous Jewish cliques throughout Europe rather than invented wholesale. But still they will also reach the same endpoint.
>>2542068MTG might be thinking ahead to a post-trump GOP where they'll be competition over the isolationist-populist section of the GOP base tbh
>>2542300I think respect for individuals can be reconciled and in fact must be reconciled with collective responsibility. The individual is at their freest when they disappear into the collective in a sincerely useful role that they weren't forced into and which satisfies their individual strengths and interests. I see communism as a synthesis of communal responsibility and individuality. In a mostly ignored document by Engels called the confession of communist faith, which was revised into
Draft of a Communist Confession of Faith, he said:
>What is the aim of the Communists? Answer: To organise society in such a way that every member of it can develop and use all his capabilities and powers in complete freedom and without thereby infringing the basic conditions of this society.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/06/09.htmNaturally this document was revised for several reasons and shouldn't be treated as the final word, but I still think this is a very powerful notion that people mostly forget about when conceiving of Communism as some sort of rejection of individualism, rather than a synthesis of the individual freedom with the responsibility of that individual to a collective.
That being said I totally agree with your assessment of America and its problems, having lived here my whole life in one of the worst regions of the country.
>>2542321> In a mostly ignored document by Engels called the confession of communist faith, which was revised into Draft of a Communist Confession of Faith,meant to say
<revised into Principles of Communism >>2542049posadism has won…
>>2542300I disagree that this selfish mentality was 100% baked in, pre-Reagan there was more of a sense of community and responsibility. New Deal Democrats all invoked it. Albeit there was a lot of racism involved.
With the Reagan era you get the "me me me" shit and equating selfishness with liberty. Then after getting crushed multiple times, the Democrats adopted it too with Clinton.
>>2542049>chudjak phenotype present in leftist comic presumably from the 70s-90slmfao
>>2542328I once referred to main character syndrome as the state ideology after Reagan. now its also been updated with the whole "view politics through lense of pop culture and not the other way around"
>>2542328also even in the settler era the puritans were highly collectivist in their mindset. their settler-colonialism wasn't inspired by liberal enlightenment values, but by religious fundamentalism and fleeing persecution in England. It was later with the influx of aristocrats and proto-bourgeoisie that you got the clique of wheeling-dealing deists who became the founding fathers.
>>2542328You mean back when democrats were racists
>>2542318how are france and greece settler colonial
>>2542337I can see calling algeria a failed attempt at creating a settler-colonial state but can't think of any greek colonies that also aren't ancient city states in the Mediterranean.
>>2542328>I disagree that this selfish mentality was 100% baked in, pre-Reagan there was more of a sense of community and responsibility. New Deal Democrats all invoked it. Albeit there was a lot of racism involved.My grandparents were New Deal Dems on my mom's side. Like, to the point of still having some photo of FDR hanging around the place for as long as they lived. It's crazy to think of how much of an era defining President he was.
>>2542337Settler-Colonial = White
>>2542341>Settler-Colonial = WhiteNot really dude. Japanese did settler-colonialism in China.
>>2542341FDR defined nothing. while FDRcucks were cooming to photo of FDR for decades, the rest of the world was having revolutions.
>>2542332>puritans were "fleeing persecution"more like they were rabid religious zealots forming a schizo commune
early america was a cult compound of the 1600s
>>2542328I think it has to be understood that the period between the closing of the frontier and the birth of neo-colonialism is basically the same as the current period now. At time of heightend radicalism and collective action the potential birth of a new identity was killed by said neocolonialism. My point is that without the treats their is nothing really holding the American identity together.
>>2542344>Japanese did settler-colonialism in China.The Japanese did settler colonialism in Japan.
>>2542344I'm joking. Black Hammer was calling Marx a "KKKolonizer" when it was still a thing and I had a dude on here legitimately say that "unlike Latin America, the Irish have no culture of opposing oppression". So I implied "Settler-Colony" is just longform for "White".
>>2542346He completely defined American politics for decades. But yeah, blah blah blah "rest of the world was having revolutions" and stuff.
>>2542337They aren't but I was specifically refering to the countries listed in the example rather than NATO in general. Speaking from experience people from non-Settler NATO countries have a way different imperialist vibe than settlers. Still toxic, liberal, and addicted to capitalism but still you can form a community with them.
>>2542346> FDRcucks were cooming to photo of FDR for decades, yes, he defined politics for decades.
>>2542349Not him but agree the Japanese basically genocided the native Emishi and Ainu peoples.
does the current establishment realize concessions to the working class can stifle revolutionary pressure? probably not right
>>2542353To say nothing of what they did to the Okinawans
what makes any new world country not 'settler colonial'? seems like a meaningless descriptor nowadays
>>2542349I thought about adding that point like 2 seconds after I made the post but you know we can't edit on here
>>2542361>seems like a meaningless descriptor nowadaysit's more meaningful than ever when you look at Israel vacuuming Jews from Europe and North America based on flimsy claims to indigeneity from the bible (during the events of which they were killing other locals for YHWH based on an equally flimsy legendary claim).
>>2542361Mostly because the Spanish limited themselves to raping and enslaving the native peoples. The Anglos by contrast practiced the wholesale extermination and displacement of the natives. Compared to Latin America most non-Latino americans have very low native admixture for a reason. Part of this is because there was simply more natives in the regions conquered by Spain than the ones conquered by the UK, so as a result they were less "civilized" and able to defend their collectives from genocidal replacement. As a result most Latin American countries have a deep intermixture with native culture and custom. The Caribbean is an exception to this but only because the natives were worked to extermination rather than just killed outright.
>>2542367so the problem was there weren't a lot of natives in the north makes sense
>>2542356ofc they do, that's why they haven't completely said "fuck SNAP". they just don't care enough
>>2542342>guineaFrance is a salty hoe
>The Gravel Institute rip Mike Gravel
i just remember word on /leftypol/ saying the higher-up in the org want the Institute to be another grift using Mike Gravel name.
sad and big gay if ture
>>2542380We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when
But I know we'll meet again
Some sunny day!!!!
>>2542382with the rate of profit decreasing, welfare becomes not enough. new concessions are needed and im pretty sure the establishment believes in the opposite of that
Anons here know that Platner's sister in law is Jewish right? The same sister in law who recorded the video that has his totenkopf tattoo?
If he knew it was a totenkopf, why would he blatantly show it off in front of his Jewish sister in law and her family? It literally makes no sense.
trump is in bussy for a meeting with xi
>>2542380total nuclear proliferation
NOWwe cannot let a world where the only country to ever use nuclear weapons on a civilian population come to be.
if you don't have a nuke you're not a real country >>2542163>>2542175I see. he hates libs more than he hates
gommunishms.
>>2542380the proletariat will win ww3
screencap this
>>2542380no one will win ww3
screencap this
>>2542408The workers will win WW3
We will turn the war between nations into a war between classes
>>2542380The creation of nukes in the first place was a mistake. They should all be thrown into the sun.
>>2542135bitch looks like a creature in a horror movie
>>2542410tragic hairlines. poor guys
>>2542419The 2nd and 4th video are the same. Posts 2x by accident
>>2542410We wuz kangz for white people
>>2542425
why cant we just wear political uniforms
why does no one do that anymore
>>2542425
>>2542424
caring about aesthetics is for idealists regardless if your doing shit that hasn't been edgy since the 80s or obsessed with le suit like its 2000s fedora tipper era.
>>2542392>>2542392>not an argument.hold your horses. Juden-rats would have you hanged if you had accused them of not being Jew.
>>2542433
wearing suits make you look like a bunch of Caleb Maupins
>>2542427Thesis: "Our movement should look like men in suits!"
Antithesis: "Our movement should look like punks!"
Synthesis: Our movement should look like dudes in board shorts and flipflops with their favorite sports team jersey.
honkoid status?
>>2542433
its funny how upset idealists who only care abt aesthetics get lmao. I'd prolly be mad if I were an optics obsessed lib too lol
>>2542433
Have humans always been this dysgenic or what is the cause of people being so ugly these days?
>>2542434It works/worked for neo-fascists/nazis. I think there's a case to be made for it working for socialists.
>>2542441
>>2542442
me when I have temper tantrum
>>2542445
ur mad af lol
>>2542446Right wing nationalists when the United States demands them to clean its cock
>>2542425
Suits are cringe
Now power armor on the other hand, that's based
>very nice, now let's see Comrade Allen's business card
>>2542439>dysgenicsilence eugenicist
>these daysunderageB& /pol/yp detected, that pic is from like the 00s. I've been seeing it forever.
>>2542466
sorry
>>2542439It's called being a fat american. It's just so normalized you don't notice it as much anymore.
>>2542412I say the moon, so that the crater they create will be a constant reminder of their destructive danger.
>>2542300idk I think the atomization of the imperial core is just structurally fundamental. It's def true it's worst in the settler-states.
>>2542300Or they can sense the contempt you have for them so they avoid you
>>2542410Tell them Jesus was a socialist and their minds will explode
>>2542509have you ever talked with those people? they will tell you that is a wrong interpretation. they'll invent a new interpretation out of their farts. the same way Christians found a justification for loans, after so many centuries of leaderships taking loans after loans from the Jews. they'll do the same with the parts about selling properties, or that the poor must be cared or else you won't be side by side with the lord. etc.
It's incredible the lengths they travel to justify anything bad they do or their deviation from the textbook.
>>2542410Do the wealthy really have to have such poor tastes?
>>2542514In the USA they do.
>>2542329It's from the New Yorker you dumb libshit.
>>2542546>NewsmaxWhat did you expect from neo-fascists who can't even spell "Haitian" correctly
>>2542546those are not ethnicities. they're nationalities. which i know stupid burgers conflate, and the conflation is probably deliberately encouraged to make racism easier, but doesn't census data only classify people into white, black, asian, or latino? don't you have to be an american citizen anyway to receive foodstamps?
fascist country
>>2542546Astounding the level of hatred some Americans feel for other people for no real discernible reason. I don't know what we'd do with these monsters should we ever seize power.
>>2542549humans in general
>>2542546They spelled "Haitian" wrong.
also
>damn why do immigrants keep coming from lands burgers destroy. they should stay where burger bombs fall instead of coming to the one place they don'tTHIS IS WHY I HATE REACTOIDS WHO COME ON HERE AND PRETEND THEIR ANTI IMMIGRANT BS IS ABOUT "MUH OPEN BORDERS LOWER REAL WAGES" WHILE IGNORING IMPERIALISM AS A DRIVER OF MIGRATION
>>2542549I’ve found myself genuinely shocked by it, especially in terms of Palestinians. There are people in my life who I used to respect who have just gone full mask off, foaming at the mouth when it comes to them. Seeing the slow turnaround towards “maybe Israelis were fucked up for doing that” as time has gone on has only disgusted me more, to be honest.
>>2542550Speak for yourself.
>>2542546>newsmax>absolutely derangedat glance I thought it was a breakdown across all food stamp beneficiaries.
it's a breakdown according each nationality:
like from 100% Afghani living in America, 45.6% are living on food stamps.
and so on.
but let's see:
>Afghanistanmmmm wouldn't it be because you twats invade it?
>Iraqmmmm wouldn't it be because you twats invade it?
>Somaliammmmm.. wouldn't be because you twats are air striking the shit out of everyone there?
like, the fuckers go on, killing a bunch of people, then they get angry that the people from there go to the US.
>>2542535cenk will never reinvidicate his position for attacking libs from the right. he was moving towards the maga crowd, until his Muslim/Turkish roots (probably some interests, businesses, and stuff related to that community) crossed his way.
pathetic. similar like mehdi hasan.
both will never be friends of Palestine, and would throw them under the bus the same way the UAE, Qatar, Turkey, SAK, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan did.
Trump has ordered the Department of War to start testing Nuclear Weapons immediately
>The United States last tested a nuclear weapon in 1992.https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trump-asks-pentagon-immediately-start-testing-us-nuclear-weapons-2025-10-30/https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5580424-trump-directs-pentagon-to-start-testing-nuclear-weapons/33 years of technology has advanced since last testing they honestly must have really shit data on it by now. I don't think this is a Trump thing, I think the US just knows it's seriously fucking behind.
Do any of the people that were alive for the last tests even work in the government or defence industries anymore? Doubt it. The skills and experiences of the people that were last involved are long gone. They might have simulations but they lack real tangible experience.
The world is going multipolar, this means multiple threats and a need for deterrence. This means demonstrating you have a working one in the first place, and it also means testing in order to see how you would defend against and fight a nuclear war in a multipolar world.
I think this would've been ordered by a dem president too under the circumstances with Ukraine going badly and the US showing no signs of being able to confront China. The dem president would've done it quietly though while Trump sees the opportunity to please the hogs by being loud and oafish about it.
Reestablishment of these tests is a sign the US very much recognises its power is weakening.
>>2542567the most bipolar schizophrenic belligerent nation on the planet is increasing it's nuclear arsenal
>>2542577China did nothing wrong by banning rap.
Hip hop is an atrocity against the human spirit.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2542600Classical and ballet are the only things that should be allowed tbh the Soviets had it right
>>2542600Classical music, until quite recently in history, was an artform that was only accessible to affluent white people. Hip hop, like other forms of folk music, was developed by and for common man and participation in hip hop has always been accessible to anyone regardless of class or wealth or even ethnicity.
Your image could be interpreted another way - an orchestra of affluent trained musicians all playing professional concert violins that probably cost upwards of $50,000 apiece, versus a sampler that could be bought used from a music store for about $1500 in the 90s and some bored teenager could use it to record an entire album in their bedroom.
>>2542611Until the invention of records and radio, common people could not even
hear classical music, unless they stood outside a performance hall and put their ear against the door.
>>2542612sure but it's been like 100 years since then
>>2542546>you should be pro ending foodstamps cause muh sand uynghas and immigrants are using it>looks up>70% of people who use foodstamps are white americansTrump have the opportunity to do the funniest thing.
Mamdani making a play with Satmar Hasidim is a savvy move that is really roiling the Jewish press.
>New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani is "not an antisemite," leaders of the antizionist haredi (ultra-Orthodox) Satmar community wrote in the upcoming edition of weekly community newspaper Der Blatt.
>Screenshots of the article in the newspaper, dated for Friday, were shared by Jewish NYC journalists on Wednesday. "From the first minute he was very open with the rabbis [of the Satmar community] about the war in Israel, he’s a very liberal Muslim," the letter continued.[…]
>Der Blatt is the outlet of the followers of Aaron Teitelbaum, However, the other Satmar community, which follows Zalman Leib Teitelbaum, also issued a similar statement, condemning the "vicious campaign" portraying Mamdani as an antisemite as "false and dangerous."https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-872118>>2542626
Wtf?
>>2542640Probably the cops throwing out bait hoping to catch some fishes into that sicko stuff. Jannies delete it when they wake up and log on.
>>2542548yeah that shit is completely made up lol note that they dont even pretend to provide a source
>>2542617From what I gather they believe that these groups are taking away social services from whites. Like if an ethnic Somali American collects food stamps it was taken away from a white person.
>>2542522This is over a guy promising to eliminate bus fare and open a publicly owned grocery store.
>>2542600What if China just hates blacks and holds a eurocentric supremacist view of world culture exactly like the USSR and all other Stalinist states did?
It’s not the fault of us nighurs that Stalinoids have identical musical tastes to Nazis and hate all the same cultural products (often of black americans) that Nazis do
I don’t even like hip-hop or rap personally, but taking a full on political stance against an entire musical genre is usually just because you associate it with mudskins and not for whatever nonsensical reason white supremacists come up with
<Inb4 chinafags aren’t white supremacistsYea no your orientalism and noble savage takes on Third Worldists doesn’t hide your desire for cultural genocide of black americans and their forcible integration into 18th Century bourgeois genres
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) >>2542657I'm sorry they banned your mixtape from XITunes bro
>>2542673Another Hitler classic!
>>2542670What if…China is just a bourgeois civilization? Built on the European model? And as such already accepts the European belief that African descended peoples and their art forms are degenerate untermenschen and degenerate art?
Notice that Chinafags can never really justify things like this without more or less overtly calling black people subhuman degenerates and all American musical production a jewish conspiracy
Probably because there’s no real justification for banning something like rap other than racial hatred and the never ending ML quest to “free” proletarians by telling them what they are allowed to think, feel, enjoy, and do in their daily lives while this class of workers is perpetually reproduced
It makes sense to consistently take hitlerite positions when your politics amounts to national socialism in the most literal sense of that word
>>2542657man i agree banning hiphop is a bad look and china has some real problems with cultural chauvinism but do you realize how insane it is to accuse china of all places of being EUROCENTRIC and WHITE SUPREMACIST? and no, im not saying it is impossible for nonwhite noneuropean peoples to be either of those things, plenty of examples. china just really is not one, i guarantee for the vast majority of chinese people that having their culture and history being in any way considered below the west would be an insult, at absolute most the main thinking is as themselves as equals if not superior, which does include aspects of genuine chauvinism towards many other peoples of the world. thankfully they do not have an expansionist or imperialist posture towards the world so its not nearly as harmful as it could be and is far from a monolithic attitude in any case
>american rappers: UYGHA HEIL HITLER
>Chyna (bad): *bans it*
>americans: NOOOOOO MUH FREEDOM HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN NOOOOOOOOO IM BEING GENOCIDED
I mean, I like rap, but its not hard to see why non-liberal societies will have a problem with it
you people really think hip hop is banned in China? Kanye tours there all the time
>>2542679Kanye is famously representative of the genre as a whole, also China allows metal which has far more fascist acts and the fascist acts are far more influential than in hip hop where Kanye has been a pariah since Life of Pablo
>>2542682Not to mention the PLA literally does RATM style rap rock to pump the troops up
>>2542657>the USSR hated blacks Source please.
Saying that you need to be eurocentrist (by that I guess you mean basing your state ideology on German philosophers like Hegel, Marx and Engels) to be racist (Marx wasn't racist against blacks at all, using a slur against Lassalle doesn't equal a racist worldview) is dumb, as if non-eurocentrists are not sometimes racist against blacks. So that itself is a stupid argument.
Second, Schrödinger's China again. On one hand they are too "sinocized" in their Marxism, using it as a cover for Confuzian Chinese nationalism, on the other hand they are shamelessly eurocentric and adopted racist European chauvinisms. Make up your fucking mind.
>>2542670>prodding everybody to act like European gentlemen wow that really worked
>>2542682>Kanye tours there all the timebased
>>2542657why are you uncritically accepting the premise that china banned rap music when it's an absurd claim
they don't, but socialist states should ban some stuff because although most people don't become gangsters because they played gta, it does condition and reinforce an aspiration that a few might later materialize. you can say that that's the personal responsibility of the individual, the standard capitalist discourse, but people shouldn't be under constant assault by media. there is a cognitive limit, and just like there are agencies that approve food and medicine for public consumption in practically every country, there should be agencies doing that but for media
>>2542686>Source please.It certainly hated the cultural production of black proles and saw it as beneath 18th Century European culture (ironically produced by the ascendant bourgeoisie, whereas hip-hop, rap, and jazz were all created by urban proletarians, funny that!)
>Saying that you need to be eurocentrist (by that I guess you mean basing your state ideology on German philosophers like Hegel, Marx and Engels) to be racistYou don’t need to be eurocentric to be racist, Arabs can be plenty racist to Africans, but their racism doesn’t take the form of banning African culture as degenerate and maintaining European culture as advanced and civilized
The proud dismissal of the creations of black urban proletarians in favor of the creations of the 18th Century bourgeoisie is absolutely eurocentric in nature
>Marx wasn't racist against blacks at all, using a slur against Lassalle doesn't equal a racist worldview)Really bizarre to randomly mention the time Marx used a slur against jews and blacks to insult a privileged white man
>is dumb, as if non-eurocentrists are not sometimes racist against blacks. So that itself is a stupid argument. Already discussed non-eurocentrics that despise Africans
>Second, Schrödinger's China again. On one hand they are too "sinocized" in their Marxism, using it as a cover for Confuzian Chinese nationalism, on the other hand they are shamelessly eurocentric and adopted racist European chauvinisms. Make up your fucking mind.The Third Reich were one of the most overt white supremacist organizations in history; and also the vast majority of their victims were other white people and their main symbol was stolen from Indians, use your fucking brain maybe
Also
>Sinocized MarxismLmao
21st Century Aryan socialism eh? MLs are not serious people, not even a little.
>>2542696I immediately thought of that quote thanks for posting it
>>2542679Kanye is still a rapper? Anyway you understand he has openly hated black people for almost a decade now? Dude literally blamed people in the 19th Century for being enslaved, he’s already exiled lmao
>>2542693>why are you uncritically accepting the premise that china banned rap music when it's an absurd claimEven if they didn’t, it’s disturbing that Dengoids think this sort of shit is acceptable to begin with
I 100% think your average ML and dengist would not only fully accept genocide, but regardless of their posturing would specifically accept genocide against already oppressed social identities, like jews and blacks
Honestly if the CPC picked out an ethnicity to exterminate and opened gas chambers and everything I’m sure MLs would defend this action and simply explain that the entire ethnic group is reactionary (not like they don’t already argue such things)
>they don't, but socialist states should ban some stuff because although most people don't become gangsters because they played gta, it does condition and reinforce an aspiration that a few might later materialize. you can say that that's the personal responsibility of the individual, the standard capitalist discourse, but people shouldn't be under constant assault by media. there is a cognitive limit, and just like there are agencies that approve food and medicine for public consumption in practically every country, there should be agencies doing that but for mediaSo we return to the supposedly proletarian state existing to control proletarians and determine how they live their lives, right?
You understand there are easier ways to get healthcare if that’s all that matters to MLoids?
>>2542703he made graduation doe
>>2542703kanye grew up in China
>>2542704Rap isnt banned in hecking evil chyna, libtard
>>2542670>expensive = bourgeoisit's the other way around. those guys in the orchestra are paid a salary because they are regular employees. it's the opposite of the idea of the individual virtuoso that practices in their spare time, just like how amateur sports are bourgeois and professional sports are proletarian. the olympics for example were explicitly restricted to amateurs because the aristocrats that practiced for fun knew they couldn't compete with the people that played sports as their job
it's not surprise that the chinese music industry is more or less following the same patterns as the japanese and korean industries because those are countries where the production of media in general and music in particular is highly professionalized and streamlined. if anything, the vestige from the enlightenment is precisely the lengths the western music industry often goes to try and portrait some of their products as "organic", "indie", and such
>>2542710If entire races and ethnicities were banned from China you would support it and then go on a rant about how they’re untermenschen, libtard
I don’t like dengism
>>2542722not true but if you want to believe that be my guest
>>2542722make some more shit up why don't you
>>2542723born in the imperial core award
>>2542600>muh hvman spiritb8
>>2542738The place where the progress of the real movement is at it’s highest
>>2542748the first ammendment to the constitution specifies that there will be no official religion of the US.
"in god we trust" was added to paper money in 1957 as a cold war tactic against the atheist soviet union.
It's more likely America goes full military dictatorship than a Communist revolution at this point tbqh. Maybe we should be planning our escape.
>>2542756>Maybe we should be planning our escape.I've been telling you guys this for a while now, but you uyghas just wont listen
>>2542756american becoming a full military dictatorship is the reason why the communist revolution will happen since nobody will give a damn about defending a dictatorship when we seize power
>>2542751Oh yes state capitalist, very much. China is actually behind schedule if you can believe that.
>>2542754>Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do."Third worldist moralism. Your precious noble savage does not exist, orientalist.
>>2542758>american becoming a full military dictatorship is the reason whyCommunist revolution will happen. It is the trigger, the red button that we needed. This is no weimar germany either. The assumption that it is in fact is a unfounded and dangerous one.
>>2542764if revolution is inevitable why even entertain the idea of fleeing
>Fitzhugh believed that slavery represented a lingering element of pre-liberal, or even pre-feudal social organization, and proposed the expansion of the institution of slavery to return to a pre-feudal social order of antiquity and alleviate the supposed harm caused by liberalism and capitalism
>In order to expand the institution of slavery, Fitzhugh proposed both the enslavement of all free black people and the enslavement of working-class people of all races, making him notable as possibly the only anti-abolitionist to propose slavery be expanded to include white people.some of you uyghas would unironically fall for this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fitzhugh >>2542767I’m not saying it is inevitable. I’m saying it is going to happen under these conditions. The conditions under Trump are becoming more and more ideal. You still need to keep things steady until that trigger pull, and you still need to make sure it won’t fail in the end even after the pulling.
>>2542775the conditions causing liberalism to crumble aren't the fault of trumps, they were put into motion over a hundred years ago when american society fell below labor replacement rate. there's nothing any future president can do to halt these conditions, so might as well prepare for the inevitability of revolution
>>2542764>american lefties are so fucking chauvinistic they unironically believe they are spearheading the real movement in the current year:skullemoji:
>>2542782The only place any American belongs is six feet under
>>2542780>the conditions causing liberalism to crumble aren't the fault of trumpsI know. He is rushing things along a bit, but ultimately he is just a symptom. I need to work on my wording a bit it seems.
>>2542782>chauvinisticYou don’t what that word means
>>2542789Shut up moralist
>>2542380Let them drop the nuclear bomb! World wars end not in favour of the warmongers but in favour of the Communist Parties and the revolutionary people in all lands. Those who refuse to be enslaved will never be cowed by the atom bombs and hydrogen bombs in the hands of the U.S. imperialists. Classes will not be eliminated except through war. And war cannot be eliminated for good except through the elimination of classes. If the atom bomb is dropped overhead, there is nothing else but to see Marx. When the nuclear bomb is exploded, even if one-half of mankind perishes, there will still be one-half left. The United States cannot annihilate the Chinese nation with its small stack of bombs. The duration of atomic warfare today will be short, three instead of four years. The best outcome may be that only half of the population is left and the second best may be only one-third. When 4.5 billion are left out of 8.1 billion, several five-year plans can be developed for the total elimination of capitalism and for permanent peace. It is not a bad thing.
Le american proletariat is in le belly of le beast, or something
>>2542794Americans are Israeli, you’re Israeli and you’ll only ever be as relevant as the Communist Party of Israel, ie not all
>>2542723You are anti-Communist. Dengism is development of Maoism which is Leninism (Marxism of the Age of Proletarian Revolution) applied to China.
>>2542802>Americans are Israelitechnically untrue because we are Israel's undercaste that pays for their universal healthcare and UBI while not having any for ourselves. Americans fucking wish they were Israeli.
>>2542754it won because it developed externally powered machinery faster than anyone else, that's pretty much it, and tbh not much faster than what developed in china. China just had worse starting hand in some ways.
>>2542808>Dengism is development ofCapitalism and a butchering of the previous tendency.
>>2542810>Americans fucking wish they were Israeli.No we don’t
>>2542824Mao is also cringe
>>2542817>Capitalism and a butchering of the previous tendency.see
>>2542824 >>2542817You’re manufacturing consent for imperialist war
>>2542812Wrong. China won vecause of the power of Communism. Westoids lose because the weakness of capitalism. The westoids are eating each other alive now as China ushers the next epoch of himanity
>>2542747The imperial core is among most backward peoples. The most reactionary peoples. The people their system which the bombs will cleanse from the earth.
>>2542821butt status: blasted
>>2542832i wrote in response to a very particularly moment-of-time statement, not that the west has won forever. very silly.
>>2542709when he said Chi Town he didn't mean China
>>2542845To say the westoids won under any pretext is anti-Communism
>>2542828I didn’t specify which previous tendency, did I?
>>2542829You don’t have a source for that
>>2542832Okay moralist
>>2542835Still cringe
>>2542843The dotp Marx and Engels speak of is not the abomination you promote. Lenin is not foundational either.
>>2542846Gigacringe
>>2542849You are a genocidal moralist.
>>2542854No one cares you dumb fucking westoid
>>2542855Shut the fuck larper.
>>2542858the westoid is so self-centered that he cant even imagine that he might be talking with non-westoids, it must be a larper since nothing outside of the west exists
>>2542862Lick some boots faker
>>2542865Put your head in a hydraulic press
>>2542863>the westoid is so self-centered that he cant even imagine that he might be talking with non-westoids, it must be a larper since nothing outside of the west existsYou’re trying too hard. I’m referring to your supposed revolutionary identity.
>>2542868Worship your money, fraud
>>2542875Do heroin, preferably with an AIDS needle
>>2542875>You’re trying too hard.What I said is true, all westoids are like this, doesnt matter if they are rightoids, anarkiddies, marxists, etc. They always think they are the center of the world and can't imagine nothing outside of it. This is why they are so quick to associate current China with Nazi Germany, they need to translate it into westoidcode in order to make sense in their minds.
>>2542890always good to see establishment dems+aipac lose
There shouldn’t be a NYC mayoral election, whoever makes the best chopped cheese should be mayor
>>2542883Alright, enough of childish banter.
>>2542888You’re having a freakout over something I never even implied.
>>2542889>No Marx>No Engels Hm
>>2542895Still very cringe. And unoriginal.
>>2542899>No Marx>No Engels see
>>2542843 >>2542899Not until you boof xanax westoid
>>2542908I’m not taking drugs larpers
>>2542849so the original comment I replied to was anti-communism?
>>2542912You should, you’d be less annoying
honkoid status?
>>2542657>>2542600>China did nothing wrong by banning rap.Did they? Source?
>>2542657>What if China just hates blacks and holds a eurocentric supremacist view of world culture exactly like the USSR and all other Stalinist states did?Source?
>>2542678What are they advertising other than AI slop of an economy and world that
never existsed.
>>2542927>I give you Marx and Engels, and you complain that Lenin is also in there. Here is just Marx and Engels with none of the "non foundational" (read: anything that has happened since 1900) impure admixture of people who came later and developed Marxism, which is neither rigid nor dogmatic but evolutionary and responding to changing conditionsCool beans. Small problem here though: the bottom two images are not referring to “socialist society” aka communist society.
The first image is referring to the topic we discuss. The second is on the topic of communists being more open to working with fellow communists in building up the party and the general movement despite differences.
The third one is about historical materialism, and not the transitionary stage you refer to.
>>2542928I should be more annoying if anything.
>>2542396it looks like they're getting married
>>2542943>"Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke? No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity. "Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847
>>2542945the bourgious have learned their mistakes from these revolutions.
>>2542952That’s why they created suburbs, exurbs, car dependent infrastructure, and mads media
>>2542952clearly not if they're willing to let SNAP expire lol. nothing radicalizes normies faster than hunger. no, the elites get more retarded with time as the lessons of the early 20th century are forgotten
>>2542954>the elites get more retarded with time as the lessons of the early 20th century are forgottentruke
>>2542949>In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantityTwo small problems here:
1.China achieved a liberal revolution
2. China is not doing this at all. It is building up, but not away.
>>2542956glad to see you too
>>2542957You work for the state department and are trying to manufacture consent for a war against China because “they aren’t socialist anyway”, this is the effect your rhetoric has and you will be tried for war crimes when the PLA lands here as a result of your nonsense
>>2542957new guy jumping into this conversation to say you shouldn't wait on China to do AES correctly but have your own revolution rather than treating it as yet another job outsourced to china.
Rather than arguing over whether China is really socialist or not you should be competing with China to build a form of socialism superior to theirs. You should not make it a race to the bottom where you try to measure whether they are more capitalist than you.
If "AES" countries really exist, they are in a holding pattern while they wait for you to overthrow your own bourgeoisie in the imperial core. The required productive forces for defense of the revolution is always relative to the external forces that seek to overthrow it. A self-described communist party governs over China in an alleged transition from state capitalism to socialism to communism, but that transition if it is real, will be crippled unless other countries have their own revolutions, because China is just 1 country in a global capitalist system.
China will not violate your country's sovereignty to bring you socialism because it has strategically embraced non-interventionist foreign policy in defense of its own past revolution, and besides that, socialism is unlikely to be embraced by any given country if it is seen as a 5th column for some foreign power. It is up to the imperial core proletariat to overthrow "their own" bourgeoisie. You cannot put that burden on the shoulders of proles in other countries. That is not their job even if they want to do it. They might provide socialist proles in the imperial core with strategic aid once a real movement is off the ground, but as of yet there is no such militant mass movement that can claim legitimacy at any national scale in the imperial core countries.
please do not mischaracterize what I am saying or try to make the argument about whether China is socialist or not, the point is you have to make your own country's "socialism" more "truly socialist" than theirs. You have to make it a race to the top and not a race to the bottom. And that starts by overthrowing your own bourgeoisie which is physically close to you, rather than lamenting China or whatever other "AES" claimant not living up to your vision
>>2542960You have no source for anything of that, and will openly state that I oppose any imperial war whatsoever.
>>2542957>China achieved a liberal revolutionwhat is that? even if you meant a bourgeois revolution you'd be wrong
>China is not doing this at all. It is building up, but not awayChina was poorer than sub-sahara africa in the 90's. they now control the global economy. this was achieved through socialism. get out of here with your westoid mindset
>>2542963trvth napalm carpet bombing
>>2542965>what is that?What do you think that is. The transferring of one mode of production completely into the next. The ending of the feudal mode of production into the capitalist mode of production.
>even if you meant a bourgeois revolution you'd be wrongI’d be very correct.
>China was poorer than sub-sahara africa in the 90's. they now control the global economyAn impressive achievement for liberals. But the communists will do better than this. Much better.
>>2542970An astonishingly stupid response you have given me
Hot take but I think we should focus on organizing a revolution here and now rather than worrying about whether or not China is socialist
>>2542981It starts with selling fentanyl to every socdem, and anarchist
Should cities have a duty to clear out homeless encampments? And should it be on property owners to have to remove encampments on their property?
So this question has come to me after seeing this story here:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/business-family-sues-seattle-30-million-saying-city-turned-their-property-into-wasteland/M6DKOHZZXBEZHOCRSDPDLB6T6I/The store owner here is suing the City of Seattle alleging that the city’s selective enforcement of removal of homeless encampments lead to him being unable to utilize their property and directly lead to collapse of all the businesses in Little Saigon. For those that are not from Seattle, this area straight up looks like what you see in dystopian movies. Druggies, needles, and junk. Well the homeless caused people to avoid the area and lead to the store shutting down after 35 years of operation. After the store was shut down, squatters moved in and stripped the building of metals, reducing the building to a state that selling it was almost impossible. Eventually the building was burned down and based on the fire chief most likely cause was the squatters. Well now the store owner has a property that won’t sell because of the homeless encampments, is still costing him thousands a year in taxes because it is still a property in Seattle, and now the city is fining him $500 a day unless he cleared out the encampment, which cost $22k on his own dime.
So this got me wondering, is it the responsibility of the City to clear out encampments? As we see with little Saigon, not clearing them can causes severe economic damage to people in the vicinity and potentially very real physical harm as well (the store owner was attacked by a homeless guy with a stick during one of his trips to the property). And should cities be fining people to clean up the encampments instead of doing it themselves?
>>2542980>An impressive achievement for liberals. But the communists will do better than this. Much better.you have to prove it
>>2542963 >>2542981I very much agree, but it’s also very hard to have such discussions when you have dengoids and third worldists try to shut down that discussion about every 30 minutes or so in order to scream at you that China should kill every one in America with nukes.
>>2542988just ignore/report obvious bad faith trolls and engage with the people who are giving you reasonable responses
A communist revolution just flew over my house
>>2542988>>2542990Well with all that said, we've got two days left until the day of reckoning and apparently supermarkets across America are stepping up security in advance to prevent the useless eaters from taking any food. We're going to have food riots where people get shot by the cops before long
>>2542995security guards produce no commodities. they just guard existing commodities from the poor. they are accelerants of social murder. so really they are just accelerating the problem with the economy in the first place: All service, no production, during a trade war no less.
>>2542985Higher concentration of fentanyl addicts is good because it means faster degeneration of imperialism and ruination of middle class.
>>2542997You violate not real proletarian ordinance. Security guards produce value. Security guards are proletarian.
I legitimately believe that online gambling companies that operate within the united states such as Stake, Fanduel, Betmgm, etc. Are majorly influencing United States politics and are paying for online harassment and disparaging campaigns against leftist candidates and online personalities.
I can't prove it yet but this has to be true.
>>2542994It didn't land and pick me up its so fucking over
>>2542963>new guy jumping into this conversation to say you shouldn't wait on China to do AES correctly but have your own revolution rather than treating it as yet another job outsourced to china. That’s very apparent to me, even though communists are supposed to be internationalists.
>you should be competing with China to build a form of socialism superior to theirs. I am aware.
>If "AES" countries really existI wouldn’t worry too much about thatZ
>China will not violate your country's sovereignty to bring you socialism I wish it would, but it won’t.
>It is up to the imperial core proletariat to overthrow "their own" bourgeoisie. >You cannot put that burden on the shoulders of proles in other countries. That is not their job even if they want to do it. That is actually is their job and their burden, as it is ours.
>but as of yet there is no such militant mass movement that can claim legitimacy at any national scale in the imperial core countries.Unfortunately
>The point is you have to make your own country's "socialism" more "truly socialist" than theirs. I am aware. Hard to do so when someone people are insistent this does not happen.
>>2542987I know. But Marx is pretty solid with his theory, so I am confident.
>>2542995My dumbfuck boss was telling me she'll lock the doors to "protect us" if people come to take food. That dumb cunt really thinks I'm on her side lol
>>2542995We have to read through project 2025 and getter a better idea of what exactly they're up. They’re locking things down and antagonizing non fanatics, we know that. But I’m wondering if they have a trick in their sleeves. They seem awfully confident in their plots, even though they’re escalating issues that have proven to be empire killers.
>>2543031Crashing this country
I>>2543011
I've been looking into this for a bit but I'm no professional journalist so I'm making connections but just very slowly. For example Adin Ross is heavily affiliated with Stake, Many Instragram and TikTok clip channels including political ones are openly sponsored by Stake.
>>2543017I honestly don't think sports betting is going to get illegalized again. There's too much money to be made for states taxing it and it's too extensive.
>>2542995In the last supermarket that I worked at I did around half of all transactions in food stamps. This is probably going to be devastating for the area that I'm in.
>>2543024Make sure that as you shank her in the back you have a cool one liner, like "nothing personnel kid"
>>2543031>>2543033Maybe I'm being optimistic here, but as openly malicious as the bourgeoisie has gotten over the last few years it's also increasingly incompetent. And this shit right here is downright sloppy. They're essentially trying to Underpants Gnomes their way into a fascist dictatorship with none of the prerequisites, but they assume that if they go through the motions enough everyone else will go along. They seem to be genuinely surprised that there's opposition at all, like they really thought they'd dismantle all parts of the government that aren't completely devoted to making people's lives worse and everyone would applaud them and voluntarily make Trump emperor. Trump's victory made them overconfident and cocky and in the long run that's going to be to our advantage
>>2542945>started>guidedYou see what you's did there?
>>2542934One of the most retarded parts of the discourse about China is that people will uncritically believe unsubstantiated claims about China and then either condemn China for it or try to claim they're "based". Whether it is the status of LGBT rights in China or this supposed claim that they've banned rap music or a million other things.
>>2543046Remember that pointing out their Nazi cosplay makes them look like Nazis is actually hate speech and political violence
>>2543046least homoerotic rightoid
>>2543060On the plus side it will make a bigger fire when it's our turn
>>2543060I love how it's bigger than the white house itself
>>2543063The white house is getting demolished, isn’t it.
>>2542945Kinda funny, Nixon was told an educated proletariat was "dynamite", and yet that's what they went and made by telling everyone to go to college to do well.
>>2543067And now they’re fucking them over and causing grievances in an attempt to put the genie back into the bottle.
>>2542970>2source for that claim?
>>2542945this was always the problem with "professional-managerial class" discourse, it was obvious after 2008 the white collar shit wasn't going to last and instead all of the efforts of the left was to demonize PMCs and say that based rightoids are more based for saying based things and saying based things means you have more revolutionary potential
the next vanguard will arise out of the PMC that is currently a meatgrinder for middle class Westerners, there will be some who emerge from the detritus of corporate fiefdoms to destroy it
>>2542945>>2543067Wrong. Education in america is middle class. Fascist republicans are removing workers and peasants from schools
>>2543081Thats what we live under though. America is fascist. Jan 6th was middle class fascist
>>2543081>the next vanguard will arise out of the PMC that is currently a meatgrinder for middle class Westerners100% agree
>>2543081>the next vanguard will arise out of the PMCHahaha no. The next vanguard will be opportunists and probably liberals(Dengists) coming to have any relevance only after US has nearly fully collapsed due to external factors like the cold war expenses and the backlash of dedollarization. And by then, I don't think anyone outside of the USA is gonna want to empower it's workers. The world economy has been liberalized, so they are just gonna want their piece of the spoils when your economy starts failing.
That's not how the "vanguard" will sell it though, but if you have bought all the bullshit prior you will buy the Yeltsinite spiel just the same.
>>2543085Jan 6th was a mix of petty booj car dealership owners, fishing rod/supplie store owners, random lumpenproles, and feds. the PMC is a glorified labor aristocracy that is rapidly facing mass destitution
it's not mathematical per se but in times of crisis the petty booj leans towards fascism while the labor aristocracy leans towards socialism
Secret details of Israel’s mammoth deal with Google & Amazon revealed
https://swentr.site/news/627163-secret-details-israel-google-amazon/>>2542978AI reached the intelligence of an e-streamer. Truly, the AI revolution is just around the corner!
>>2543103Insane. And people will still pretend there's nothing to see here.
>>2543103>The deal also reportedly requires the two companies to secretly notify Tel Aviv using a so-called “winking mechanism” should any foreign state or court seek access to Israeli data stored in the cloud.
>The “wink” involves the US firm paying Israel an amount – between 1,000 and 9,999 shekels – that equates to the international dialing code of the request source each time they transfer its data to a foreign nation.
<The scheme effectively allows the tech firms leak information on third party data requests, normally regraded as confidential.very clever
>>2543000>>2542985>the lumpenproles ruin p-bourgs in AmericaInteresting. In the classic Marxist formula during counter revolution the lumpens should side with the middle classes against the proles.
But I'm thinking that they are such fent up zombies they don't even have a true class character.
Like, what is your class character as someone who drools on the street high on fent, sleeps, shits itself, tears down the infrastructure for money, attacks p-bourg and prole and itself nondiscriminately.
These are the thugs the status quo is going to hire a new SS or something? They are like termites.
>>2543092All of those jobs require high school diplomas. Most of the people who never graduated high school voted for kamala. So you have been debunked utterly and your wishes for an educated middle class uprising have been proven to be fascist
>>2543116uneducated stupid people are overwhelmingly conservative
>>2543060>they paid a 3D printed model from the IA generad model.damn, the mediocrity.
>>2543120>The president and chief executive officer of CAP is Neera Tanden … The first president and CEO was John Podestanightmare blunt rotation
>>2543113NOOO YOU DONT GET IT THEY ARE LITERALLY HITLER NOOOO
>>2542600It’s time to grow up or kill yourself if you’re already grown
>>2543116>Most of the people who never graduated high school voted for kamala.that's a straight lie:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-key-coalitions-coalitions-ap-votecast-ce3d9fc91beae8d3647efd6d5e08b1d8>A majority of voters in this election did not have a college degree, and most of those non-college-educated voters backed Trump. He won 55% of voters without a college degree, compared with about 4 in 10 who chose Harris.usually educated people vote demokkkraps.
and that's why rethuglicans love to defund education, impose creationism, and find ways to dumbify people within their education system.
>>2543131 (me)
>>2543116before you say anything between unfinished high school, and
no college degree. all polls put in the same sack people without a college degree and below, so the tendency includes them.
the fact you stated that reveals:
1) you are not American
2) you are a brainwashed American.
and:
>>2543092>67% of Military respondents, 85% of Law Enforcement respondents, and 76% of Firefightersthat's always been the trend. law enforcement people love fascist talk.
though, in military academies, dems have a larger chunk, it's around R55%/D45%, because
they get education. military education, but education nontheless.
>>2543122Most of the people without high school degrees live under democrats, therefore you are utterly wrong.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12/high-school-grad-rate#google_vignette>>2543131Rigged poll. The official high school graduation statistics reveals the truth
>>2543133>before you say anything between unfinished high school, and no college degree. all polls put in the same sack people without a college degree and below, so the tendency includes them.You are completely wrong. Excluding a category for people without high school diplpmas is a deliberate attempt to hide the fact that disproportionate masses of the least educated people suffer under rule of democrats.
Why are firefighters so aligned with police politically? I get that they’re both first responders but firefighters have an actual job with actual social utility, surely they see cops doing anything outside of directing traffic during a call as getting in the way right?
>people who voted for Kamala
i don't understand burger speech
By this you guys mean antifascists, anti-trumpists, pro-normals, non-fascists, minorities or what?
I just dont understand measuring or categorizing people based on whomst they vooted for.
>>2543145Voting every 4 years and toothless protest is the only political activity in America
>>2543142There were several police vs firefighter clashes all around the world.
>>2543148Oh, carry on then.
>>2543149I’m talking about American firefighters specifically, especially after 9/11
>>2543145The democrat party forces
>>2543153The lesser evil horde.
>>2543136>muh graduation ratesah, yes, people don't migrate and move to other places.
your "proof" can only be interpreted as such once you start trippin balls with your rotten brainfarts.
one question, by any chance, are you a college graduate? because a basic person that went through college would understand the lack of correlation between
>graduation ratesand
>muh stupid people are dems. >>2543155You realize that university postgrads aren't necessarily nor typically intelligent, right?
>>2543158There is no such thing as education in America, only indoctrination
Guys you have to be a total dupe retard to vote in the first place, what does it matter if you’re stupid (blue) or stupider (red)
>>2543161this, non-voters will always be the best this country has to offer compared to the delusional marks that actually fw one of the two parties
>>2543159But you allow ALL SORTS OF indoctrination programs from zionist, through lib, to creationist schools! That's freedom of choice, baby.
>>2543161>stupid (blue) or stupider (red)We live in the age of senile Biden vs senile Trump. How do you even grade them on stupidity?
All I can say is that both were (are) equally hilarious. Kamala can't win anymore. The next senile candidate will win the next election. Burgers want to laugh while getting fucked.
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