/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

THIS COUNTRY IS A SHITHOLE
SAVE MEEEEE

>>2557353
CPI is going to open a UK branch?

academic agent had haz on his show kek

>Starmer's allies brief the press suggesting Wes Streeting is plotting against him
>Instead of scaring MPs into line, it's given them and the press carte blanche to speculate about when he's going to be replaced because he's such a dud
It's awe inspiring how bad at this these people are.

>>2557848
>>2557563
He's gonna join the CPGB-ML isn't he.

the political pendulum in this country has swung so far to the right that basic social democratic policies like 'maybe advanced industries should be state-run' are conflated with wanting automated luxury communism and the only two viable positions are thatcherism and thatcherism-lite (blairism) =_=

>>2557917
there are other sensible policies that are branded "far-right" as well. we live in polarised times.
>>2557895
inshallah

So Wes Streeting is planning to coup the Labour leadership either post-budget, if it goes bad enough, or else when the 2026 local elections prove a disaster for Labour.
Starmer for his part says he will fight to retain leadership and will stand in any new leadership contest that may occur.
This is simply just our red Tory genocidal ruling elites deciding which puddle of liquid shit and vomit is more appealing to them.
No material difference will be affected, Wes is equally evil and demented in his own right.

>>2557957
>[jews are] purely devoted towards deception and trickery rather than anything productive
over 20% of nobel prize winners are jewish…

Starmer out for Streeting? LMAO

Piss for shit? LMAO

>>2557957
>[Jews] utterly lack any ability to create things for themselves

<all of the biggest world religions are DLC packs for judaism

HMMMMM IM STARTING TO THINK THIS HITLERITE ANTI-SEMITISM MIGHT NOT BE RATIONALLY CONSISTENT OR LOGICALLY SOUND!!!!

>>2556397
Antisemitism is not a substantive issue in the west, at all. Jews are literally the single most privileged ethnic group on earth. In the UK, if you are Jewish, there is a 90% chance you have 6 figures in your bank account. They are the richest ethnic group by a margin, over double the wealth of the next richest, brahmin indians. "Antisemitism" materially is a pure meme, you do not face material racism when you literally fall upwards to the most elite, materially wealthy positions in society based on just your ethnicity. It doesn't actually affect their lives. Also why should I give a fuck about "antisemitism" anyway. I couldn't give a fuck about "religious freedoms" especially not for an ethnosupremacist dogshit tier religion like Judaism. You can also see the entire way the media and entire elite play the antisemitism card like it's the worst thing on earth, that support for Jews/Judaism is truly a class issue. Jews are pretty much a "bourgeoisie" ethnicity in the west. The elite are more likely to interact with Jews than non Jewish people, they see their friends as Jews, their networks, Jewish, business elites and political elites, largely Jewish, so it becomes class solidarity to support Judaism. What is hilarious is watching this play out on Adam Friedland's show of all places where basically any establishment/Media person he gets on will try to be good little shabbos goys to him of all people. "Ohh did you know I'm spiritually Jewish, I think I may have a Jewish great grandparent somewhere, I'm a chosen aren't I"! Once you see the shabbos goy nature of so much of the elite, you cannot unsee it. The reason they do this is not because they love Judaism, it's because even WASP elites still see Jews as their superiors in the Capitalist heirarchy.
The networks you have to climb in the Western elite, are largely all stein and berg last names and everyone knows this. Even your average baz at the pub knows that Jewish people are massively overepresented and hold power vast outstanding their actual demographic percentage among the elite. The average baz also knows that Jewish people are massively ingroup, and wield bad faith antisemitism accusations relentlessly, so if you are going for a "populist" campaign, there is really no issue in actually just stating plain facts. Trying to dance around the reality, which is what the left always largely did, never worked because you really always just ended up defending bad faith Jewish crybullying. It's not a surprise that when the left was FINALLY spurred into going on the offensive, did the whole Zionist charade crumble. because when you get Zionists on the BBC saying "yeah, palestinian children are all terrorists who deserve death" in response to finally being fucking pressed on their positions due to being on the defensive. The average person no longer gives a fuck about bad faith crybullying. Corbyn NEVER should have apologized for antisemitism, not once. He should have called out Zionist beliefs on air, asked Zionists to describe negation of the diaspora. Brought in British Palestinians to tell their stories of Zionists murdering their families and Zionist harassment of their community. If Corbyn went on the offensive against the Zionist lobby, he would have won. But he did not, because the left will always fall for bad faith crybullying traps. Always, because "inclusivity" and "antiracism" is the raison d'etre for most of the Western Left, not Socialism.

>>2558870
you're wrong on that last point. left-wing opinion is now so anti-Israel that Corbyn is regularly accused of being a zionist for his squishy two-state solutionism, while Zarah Sultana (for all her flaws, good at saying what the British left wants to hear) is unequivocal on the question.

the western left is more accurately modeled as wanting to be cool. it's a balancing act: antisemitism is uncool, but antizionism is increasingly required to be cool. bad faith actors will always conflate the two, but the difficulty of pulling it off is precisely why it's such an appealing game.
excessive "inclusivity" is just a costly signal. it's like saying "i'm so rich, i can afford to dress like shit". they say "i'm so cool, I can afford to go all Lisa-Simpson without impugning my coolness.", if you go anti-SJW you're uncool, while if you try to go all SJW as Lisa Simpson, you're also uncool because you are Lisa Simpson…

>>2558870
>Antisemitism is not a substantive issue in the west, at all.
well, i-
<jews are a bourgeois ethnicity who control the media and in fact, just use antisemitism as a label. dont believe their evil talmudic lies!
every person who initially denies the existence of antisemitism always ends up as an antisemite.
>because "inclusivity" and "antiracism" is the raison d'etre for most of the Western Left, not Socialism.
well, the working class volk is a reactionary coalition which is incompatible with the cosmo-politics of the left. from the time of marx, there has always been a split between the party and the people.
>>2558927
lets take another example:
its high status to be a self-hating white; its low status to be a migrant. the left often confuse subject and object in this case. migrants arent cool, the people who promote migration are cool. thats the balancing act.

the real-time implosion of public institutions

PURE LEGEND (first interview)

>>2559320
>CPGM-ML
>CPB
>WPB

All irrelevant socdems & social reactionaries.

>>2559531
Wtf her face is so small?

>>2559531
lol, I went to school with her, it's fucking weird seeing someone you (used to) know doing some talking head commentary like this, I don't think I can stand watching it.

>>2559626
face levels reading smaller than kirk himself wow

>>2559879
>>2559626
>>2559899
Anons. I meant the Filton PA guy who absconded and went underground. not the presenter..

>>2559900
buddy we know but her face… ᶦˢ ˢᵒ ˢᵐᵃˡˡ…

>>2559879
i mean no aspersions against you was it a posh school?

Independent Alliance of MPS - shit
Zarah Sultana - shit
Zack Polanski - doing well, but ultimately a Green
Trot parties - LOL AND LMAO
CPB - right ideas, zero energy, zero organization, not doing anything of note
WPB - LOL AND LMAO

do I just kill myself?

>>2559908
join YP demsocs

>>2559910
I have

see the section of my post entitled "trot parties"

nice enough guys, i suppose, but ultimately its the vibe of people who never left student politics get REAL EXCITED but they don't have a clue how to actually organise anything and are, at the base of it, trots who cannot help but trot out hard at every opportunity

>>2559906
Yeah, pretty posh. It was a grammar school in Marlow. So in theory no fees so not expensive, but in practice the catchment area was very expensive to be in.

>>2559916
I only ask because on one episode she said she was gonna inherit a house that would probably have a mansion tax applied to it if there was one (based on various suggested models of a mansion tax) shes alright though, for a green and lib etc etc

>>2559917
Interesting, I was never super in with her crowd so I didn't know too much about her family situation. From what little I've seen of her, she seems to have alright takes, just a shame to see her so hyped up for the greens. And I guess she is quite into her idpol, which I can't really blame her for since she's directly affected by all the anti-trans rhetoric

Weird to define a nationality as an ethnic group when a majority of that ethnic group disagree.

>>2559908
invest your energies in emigration instead of in politics.
(that's my hypocritical advice anyway, i'm here aren't i?)

remember: Britain is a country composed entirely of the descendants of people who were offered several chances at a better future by emigrating and didn't take it. we are strongly selected for being, basically, miserabilist cowards ruled over by unadventurous parasites who'll lie down and take it because doing things is difficult and scary. that's a terrible base to build off.

p.s. the CPB is the worst org on that list by far. the right ideas are not the 2017 labour manifesto summarized by chatGPT in a more radical font, plus culture war dogwhistling. every org on the list is wrong about some things, but only the CPB manages to be so tediously boring about it.

>>2559929
>strongly selected for being, basically, miserabilist cowards ruled over by unadventurous parasites
If this was true, it would apply to every population that experienced significant emigration waves, including East Polynesians, the Mongols, and basically every European and Slavic nation that was around during the 19th century.

>>2559929
I love this country and that is why I stay rather than just giving up and moving to somewhere equally as bad.

>>2559935
i'm not opposed to this view on the whole. i've nothing against Mongolia*, most euro nations are (like Britain) clearly past their prime and now just slowly going demented in the care home, and many slav nations still see massive brain drain today. Polynesians are the only snag, but the very fact that they're polynesians means they've already been selected for being the kind of badass who'd get on a tiny boat and sail out into the pacific. deciding to stick around in a tropical paradise is, at worst, a regression to the mean.

but i would say Britons have less of an excuse for staying than most. if you're an Italian going to America you're taking a real gamble on going to a basically foreign land, if you're French and moving to Africa you're off on a real adventure, but britons had canada/australia/NZ to move to as well, which are all playing on easy mode. (in addition to a relatively privileged place if they moved to the US) if you like, it's not that we sent away all our real risk-takers, it's that we sent away the people who'd take a small risk for a big payoff. that's why we're particularly fucked.

*Mongolia, like China, seems to have a large amount of internal migration / rural > urban movement, which is the same basic phenomenon. contrast britain, where people stick around in towns that have had no reason to exist in generations. the only real internal migration is students and wankers who move to London.

>>2559940
you'd have to go some to find somewhere equally as bad. this country performs poorly on average, and the averages are dragged up substantially by London and the South East. all we've got going for us is that we speak english.

everything lovable about this country (and i don't deny such things exist) diminishes day by day, everything contemptible grows at the same pace.

>>2559935
yes and the inverse would also be true, like, the most migrant populations became the strongest and had the greatest will to power.

If only it chimed with history like idk, some old middle eastern group, cast out into the desert, who now have an inordinate control of western and middle eastern politics…

….

……….

From work. My head cannon is that she has leprosy and just rubbed her hands in a pile of small pox.

>>2559957
(Old stock market exchange kind of place, except it was for corn instead of stonks)

>>2559959
People know what a Corn Exchange is we are british.

>>2559982
I still don't and I took the picture. :(
I'm common, my type probably aren't usually allowed near this stuff.

>>2559957
I've eaten in there before, used to be a decent Indian. WHat's it turning into now?

Adnan Hussain has resigned from Your party

>>2560092
first time in his life he's acted in the party's best interests, good fucking riddance.

>>2560063
>I've eaten in there before, used to be a decent Indian.
Yea, everyone keeps saying it used to be really good food.
>WHat's it turning into now?
Turning it into a pub, it's same bloke who runs The Crown/Mothers Ruin/Croft bar. Building is listed though so not really much is changing on the interior, building a bar right in front of the picrel colonial art. IDK if the downstairs was open when it was a restaurant but the old clerks room look super cool too.
Just did up The Croft, too, nice that it's open again as a venue, spent so much of my youth in there seeing bands, glad that 'crofters rights' (what tf does that even supposed to mean?!) hipster bar failed miserably. Exchange is running the venue.
>>2560092
>Adnan Hussain has resigned from Your party
BASED GOOD RIDDENS AND GET THE FUCK OUT.
Guess i'll be joining after all then.

>>2560116
oh btw, and justs googling this now the vile little fucker tried to salt the earth with accusations of racism, from the gruandianian:
>On Friday afternoon, Hussain said via X he had spent recent months reflecting on his role in an organisation he had believed would be based on “a commitment to equality, justice and anti-racism”.
<He said: “Regrettably, the reality I encountered has been far from this vision. The culture surrounding the party has become dominated by persistent infighting, factional competition and a struggle for power, position and influence rather than a shared commitment to the common good.
>“Instead of openness, cooperation and outward focus, the environment has too often felt toxic, exclusionary and deeply disheartening.”
<Hussain condemned what he said felt like “veiled prejudice” in the way he and other Muslim independent MPs had been treated within the party, talking about “generalised accusations and offensive slurs”.
I legitimately don't believe it for a second. What i'm guessing he's doing is using his decrepit nonsense religion as a cover for his conservative beliefs and claiming it's racism to oppose him on this ground. Fucking cunt.

>>2560122
slurs were just flying about n that
no explanation needed

>>2560092
Is it now racist to not want a culturally reactionary Islamo-Conservative anti-LGBT pro-incest mega-landlord as the 2nd in command of your progressive Socialist party?
For what it's worth I think Your Party have already fucked it beyond the point of fixability and ever becoming a major political force, even with him gone.
There's already internal splits, legal and financial disputes, etc.
They've played up to the worst stereotypes of leftist failure to organise & infighting, they've made total clowns of themselves thus far.

>>2560138
Somehow this will all be blamed on the ever elusive trans mob

>>2560139
Undoubtedly.
And don't get me wrong, I do want Your Party to succeed, maybe I'll join once they decide on policies if they seem reasonable enough in direction.
I just think they have made things so much harder for themselves than it needed to be with everything that's happened so far.