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Money is very funny in a Banderite world edition.

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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740
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Large gains near Hulyaipole, Russia will probably enter another city in the coming mounts.
>>2570093
>Why the fuck is the EU a coherent military and political bloc here in the screenshot btw? this makes 0 sense.
It's a hoi4 mod, when people lose politics irl in the 21st centuary, they play hoi4 to stimulate a W as cope.

oh and I think Fehlinger himself is playable in that, kek

>>2570095
gunther said: >what is a femboy
kinda worth

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>>2570088
>gunther is now a gamming youtuber.
no wonder he lost his job and got unemployed.

>>2570103
They say Russia has not made this much gains since 2022 when invasion started with the 3-days-to-Kiev operation.

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>>2570103
>Hulyaipole

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https://archive.ph/hr5KX
Oh no, the establishment media is briefing against ukrainian nazi state again. how terrible. sucks for them i hope.

>>2570212
i guess the spectator has been captured by kremlin talking points and putlerite disinformation.

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>>2570212
forgot:

>>2570212
>Since the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, discussion of the Ukrainian far right has been verboten in western media, largely because one of Vladimir Putin’s stated war aims is the “denazification” of Ukraine. Putin’s claim that Ukraine is a Nazi state has been recycled by Russian propagandists and the western party line has consistently been that while the Ukrainian military does have far-right strains, they are marginal and inconsequential. This may have been true in 2022, but things have changed significantly after almost four years of war. Today, far-right figures control some of Ukraine’s strongest military units, and neo-Nazi ideology is displayed openly in the Ukrainian ranks.

Talk about trying to have it both ways.

You cant have democracy under martial law. Its simply impossible to have votes when you are being bombed and civilians are targeted indiscriminately with missile and drone weapons

>>2570232
??? Ukraine will refuse elections even during peace because of "le occupation"

>>2570227
At the same time both small enough to not warrant talking about but integral enough for the defence so as not to be purged.
Schrodinger's nazi or something, idk.

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>>2570212
Same author?

Barbarism and its Discontents in Ancient and Modern Ukraine
https://antigonejournal.com/2023/05/barbarism-ancient-modern-ukraine/

>>2570239
Difference between puppet leaders and oligarchic struggle, and real deal democracies, which like their elected leaders, because, DUH, they've elected them themselves. Just check the approval ratings, lol

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>>2570239
not the greatest argument in favor of liberal democracy

From the 'Ukraine is on the verge of political collapse' article (https://archive.ph/f6HX2):
>The same cannot be said for Zelensky’s most dangerous opponents, Ukraine’s ultranationalists. ‘Corrupt officials are enemies and traitors – if you steal from the nation during a war you deserve liquidation,’ stormed Dmytro Yarosh, the former leader of Right Sector and a nationalist firebrand who threatened to hang Zelensky in 2019 if he dared to make concessions to Moscow. As long as top officials are not jailed, ‘all statements about finding and punishing culprits look like ordinary populism’, tweeted Bohdan Krotevych, former chief of staff of the Azov battalion, once a volunteer nationalist unit that has grown into a major force inside the regular Ukrainian army. ‘The absence of real changes in the Office of the President and the General Staff directly threatens the state’s sovereignty. Either you save your pro-Russian corrupt friends, or you save the state – there’s no third option.’ According to Krotevych, if the President does not make hard decisions about punishing ‘traitors’ then the people must do so themselves. ‘If the question is about the state’s existence, and the [presidency] doesn’t work – then the people have every right to take responsibility upon themselves.’ That sounds scarily like the justification for a military coup. And as Ukraine’s most heavily armed, well-organised, politically vocal and most radically anti-Zelensky military formation, Azov is fully capable of seizing the role of kingmaker in the event of a political collapse.
>>2570243
Anon i tried just can't read this etonite 'we wuz greeks and sheit' blathering, i'm sorry but british class society is literally a disability, please tldr it for me.

>>2570249
The difference is that the national bourgeoisie, or the so called "oligarchs", operate within free presidential elections in Ukraine Meanwhile in Russia there is a despotic system in which the national bourgeoisie aristocracy keeps the ruler in power. In Russia the state apparatus has fused with the bourgeois class, since Presidents, ministers and siloviks are also major economic actors through their control of private property.
>>2570245
Im not in favor of liberal presidential "democracy" or parliamentarism. Its soviet democracy with no compromise.

Hello guys, I have a question. What do you think is the leftist solution to this conflict? If you were the president of Ukraine right now, what would you do?

>>2570262
>If you were the president of Ukraine right now, what would you do?
Fucking blow my brains out before nazis lynch me publicly in a Ukrainian street or Mi6 kills me quietly in a London street.

>>2570212
>how the ukrainian far right is preventing peace.
it's the fucking western NGOs evadniks who are preventing peace, lmao. they are comfy, armchairing their opinions stating that ukraine must go into war for 10 to 15 years.

>>2570262
Sign peace, then go full 1937 on Nazi guys in Ukraine under the pretext that they are rebels and international terrorists

>>2570262
they probably should have agreed to not join NATO in 2022, missed the exit ramp. They probably shouldn't have sold their country out to the west and sacrificed an entire generation of their people on the altar of western imperialism, only to have absolutely nothing to show for it at all. Oh well.

>>2570262
>What do you think is the leftist solution to this conflict?
ukraine should have committed to the firs Minsk agreement.

>>2570260
Russia and Belarus moved on from the chaos of primitive accumulation and oligarch wars of the 90s by becoming bonapartist and consolidating power, while Ukraine never did. I'm not sure how Ukraine's position is preferable from a leftist outlook or otherwise unless you have an election fetish (where leftists or anyone who isn't a hard pro-EU right-winger isn't allowed to participate anyway)

>>2570262
>If you were the president of Ukraine right now, what would you do?
literally just sit down to negotiate with Russia

>>2570264
I see

>>2570267
Fair enough. Let's say Ukraine does sign for peace under Trump's proposed terms. That would mean more Ukrainian land being given to Russia. Doesn't that just reward Russian imperialism?

>>2570268
Surely it is the sovereign choice of Ukrainians whether they will apply for NATO membership or not. If they had become part of NATO earlier it might have deterred Russia from invading Ukraine and murdering thousands of Ukrainians.

>>2570266
>it's the fucking western NGOs evadniks who are preventing peace, lmao.
And with dagger in hand they will, having played their role perfectly, fly off to London and Berlin.

>>2570273
>Doesn't that just reward Russian imperialism?
No, it punishes European/NATO imperialism.

>>2570273
Look. Do we have to do this here again?

>>2570273
>That would mean more Ukrainian land being given to Russia
What IS the alternative? Ukraine isn't winning. Russia isn't collapsing and will continue to slowly advance. Russia has shown that it is willing to accept relatively mild terms before, and doesn't actually want to conquer all of Ukraine or whatever.

>>2570262
surprise surrender to putin in exchange for assistance in purging all nazis and implementation of a dengist or lukashenkist model, with the help of the chinese (and maybe even a chinese peacekeeping force to make us and euro seethe)

>>2570275
NATO and Europe didn't try to grab Russian land though. Instead Russia has been using its military to grab Ukrainian land.

If people in Crimea and the Donbas had really wanted to join Russia and were able to achieve this through democratic means then I think that would be fine. But instead Russia used military means to annex these areas, regardless of the wishes of people living there.

>>2570276
Okay I will say honestly something I've been thinking: Russia is clearly being imperialistic and they have far-right nationalists and Nazi-sympathisers supporting their conquest of Ukraine. So I don't see how it's a leftist position to support Russia. Perhaps a leftist position should be "far-right forces on either side, where they exist, should be condemned".

I hope the whole situation is resolved peacefully and democratically to be honest but I guess there's very little chance of that happening at the moment.

>>2570262
Arrest all the Banderites. Sign a full cooperation treaty with Russia cede Crimea and Donbass, referendum on Novorussiya for new state and full autonomy, invent a new country, join the (quad)triune Russian nation with Belarus. Declare immediate default on all western debts and agriculture rare earth contracts void. Reaffirm shanghai cooperation org and BRI commitments. Grant gas exploration to Rosneft and ask China for reconstruction loans with high speed rail. Build a wall next to Poland. Fully commit to CSTO and CIS. Get nukes and point them at Rammstein and London.

>>2570280
>imperialism is when landgrab
<implying Russia wanted to grab Ukrainian land

>>2570280
>If people in Crimea and the Donbas had really wanted to join Russia and were able to achieve this through democratic means then I think that would be fine.
They tried. They were criminalised and imprisoned. They were dragged off into dungeons, tortured, shot. They were burned alive on mass to fascist chants.

>>2570273
damn do we really still get completely clueless vaguely left libs newcomers, or is that a bait to make us write walls of texts to explain again the sensible communist anti imperialist multipolarista position for the 10.000th time

>>2570280
>So I don't see how it's a leftist position
because you literally dont know shit. You dont know shit about geopolitics, about politics, about leftism, about imperialism, about war, about nazism, about russia, about ukraine, about nato

>"far-right forces on either side, where they exist, should be condemned"

thats not "leftist", thats the most basic common decency dumb lib position imaginable (protip, lib is not left)

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>If you were the president of Ukraine right now, what would you do?

<put Arestovich in charge of the Office of the President

<tell him to activate his old nazbol/eurasianist connections
<reach out to Lukashenko and propose an alternative Union State where he will finally become a colonel
<reach out to Kim and cut him a better deal than Russia, spare no expense, send him everything
<enact Ukrainian Juche
<sudden two-pronged attack against ruSSia through Belarus and DPRK followed by decapitating nuclear strikes
<Cucktin is shot, Democratic People's Republic of Eurasia is established
<unlimited genocide upon the first world is unleashed

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>>2570262
> If you were the president of Ukraine right now, what would you do?

>>2570257
I guess it's main point is really summed up in its final paragraph. After discussing Greek/Scythian cultural relations and how Russia and now Ukraine both have used "defending European civilization from asiatic barbarians" and "civilizing expansionism" as justification, he sums up by saying

>The irony is double, given that the view of Russia as an Asian, nomad power all but feeds the Western and Ukrainian counter-narrative of the Russian horde coming to rape and plunder civilization. But given how easily “civilizers” can become “barbarians”, we should perhaps consider moving away from the discourse of “civilization” and “barbarism” to describe polities and cultures, especially in a region where these terms have never had a stable meaning and have always been up for grabs. Not only is this framing entirely inadequate in the realm of Realpolitik, but barbarism has an unfortunate habit of revealing more about the “civilizers” than about the barbarians du jour. Varium et mutabile semper… barbarus.[12]


The way I'm reading it, it not so subtly is saying that Ukraine and Russia aren't all that different in a lot of ways and the "elves versus orcs" framing of things is as ahistorical and unfounded as it's always been.

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https://www.nzz.ch/pro/glaube-gegen-kalkuel-was-westliche-soldaten-in-einem-krieg-mit-russland-erwartet-ld.1911069

For decades, war between Russia and NATO was an unlikely possibility. Today, it is a real threat. That's why Germany is investing hundreds of billions in military spending, breaking its debt prohibition. The country is debating the reintroduction of conscription and the issue of civilian casualties in a crisis. NATO is warning of a Russian attack. It is said that Vladimir Putin's regime could be ready by 2029 at the latest.

But who would NATO soldiers face? What adversary would they encounter in a conflict with Russia? Russian soldiers versus Western soldiers – a look at Ukraine reveals what the troops would have to prepare for. The difference isn't primarily in the caliber of the assault rifles: the Russians use 5.45x39mm and NATO uses 5.56x45mm. It lies in their mindset.

Western armies view soldiers as rational actors, trained, planning, and bound by law, as citizens of a free country. Russia, however, molds its soldiers into believers. Initially, many are lured with money. But then their mission becomes: victory through devotion. War is a moral test, death becomes a potential salvation. Russian military psychology is a mixture of discipline, fatalism, and spiritual self-abandonment. It turns a Russian soldier into a believer. Blind obedience has always characterized Russia's military.

One repeatedly wonders why thousands upon thousands of Russian soldiers have been blindly running into the fire in Ukraine for over four years. Wave after wave they charge at the enemy positions, knowing they will hardly survive. This pattern is familiar from the Second World War. That was 80 years ago, and it was assumed that the Russian world, too, had progressed.

War is a belief system in Russia.

In the West, war is institutional. In most countries, it is under parliamentary control, embedded in doctrines, and—a crucial difference from Russia—in ethics. It is, paradoxical as it may sound, a rationalized state of emergency. In Russia, by contrast, war is a belief system. Instructions from the Russian military describe it as a moral test for the soldier. "The moral spirit outweighs the mathematics of combat." The soldier is expected to "pass this test with dignity."

This can be read, for example, in a kind of handbook circulating on Russian military-affiliated websites and Telegram channels under the heading "Recommendations for Participants in a Special Military Operation." It is an anonymous collection of tips and lessons from the war in Ukraine, a training and survival manual for Russian soldiers. Comparing the lessons it imparts with Western principles and ideologies gives an idea of ​​just how different the motives and motivations of soldiers on both sides are likely to be in wartime.

For instance, a Western officer conducts a risk analysis when planning operations. A Russian officer is more likely to speak of "trials by God." For him, loss and sacrifice are not contradictory, but rather proof of his own steadfastness. "If you believe in yourself, a grenade won't matter to you." The handbook quotes a Russian veteran. This attitude fosters endurance far beyond what is rationally expedient, but also blindness to the reality of the battlefield.

When Russian men join the military, they are initiated into rituals: an oath to Putin and the fatherland, an icon, the patriarch's blessing. On the battlefield, they encounter death not as an accident, but as fate. Russian troops, as can be seen in videos from Ukraine, pray before going into battle.

In the West, soldiers are primarily experts, not disciples.

Western militaries have long since shed this sacralism. Wehrmacht units also prayed before going into combat. Today, soldiers in the Bundeswehr are primarily experts, not disciples. Their motivation is based on professional ethics, camaraderie, and professional competence. This fundamentally distinguishes them from an army that seeks solace in spiritual devotion. The question is, what does that mean on the battlefield?

The answer: While Western soldiers derive their effectiveness from structure and logic, Russian soldiers draw their morale from myth. Those who fight against them face not only a military but also a metaphysical front—an enemy who believes that even dying is part of their mission.

The Russian army trains not only its soldiers' bodies but also their perceptions. It largely isolates them from anything that might sow doubt. News, social media, even phone calls with family are considered potential weapons of the enemy. "They seek you and your relatives out to secretly sow seeds of doubt and undermine your morale." The soldier is meant to learn not to dismiss information as unfounded.

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>>2570428
these pathetic drunks are killing 1,000 nato-armed ukrainians every day and consistently advancing? wow…nato kinda sucks

>>2570088
Has he gotten a new job?

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Will Zelensky buckle or will trump TACO as he always does.

Gonna have to bake. I can do it.



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