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>>2540767Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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Zelensky ought to wear a suit the next time he's asking for givas
>>2559265You know it is over when he shaves
Thx for baking bread, op
>Former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has appealed to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, asking to be added to the list of civilian prisoners of war in the Russia’s war against Ukraine.
>In a statement posted on Facebook on November 13, Saakashvili said he had recently been discharged from hospital, where he was treated following what he described as a severe poisoning, and returned to Penitentiary Colony No. 12.
>Saakashvili said he was imprisoned on “completely fabricated charges,” adding that a new criminal case now accuses him of “sabotage in favor of a foreign hostile state.”
>“I am a citizen of Ukraine and the head of the Executive Committee of the National Reform Council, where I had the honor of working under your leadership. I want to ask you, just as you did in 2019 when you restored my unlawfully revoked citizenship, to include me—as the former head of the Odesa Regional Administration and as the head of the Executive Committee of the National Reform Council, who is being unlawfully held by Georgia’s pro-Russian regime—in the list of civilian prisoners of this war, with all the corresponding legal consequences,” he wrote.
*inhales* oh no no no
you know, at least Assad is comfy gaming in Moscow right now, but this is what happens to uyghas who trust the west lmao
>>2559261the
true two more weeks.
>>2559261omg, im coolminati g
How Far Will Ukraine’s Corruption Scandal Go?https://korybko.substack.com/p/how-far-will-ukraines-corruption
<The most that might happen is a cabinet reshuffle since the SBU has no reason to support regime change against the man who unprecedentedly empowered them, nor does Trump since Zelensky does what he demands, but this scandal still discredits him and his government more than they already are.
>A major scandal is rocking Ukraine after its National Anti-Corruption Bureau, which Zelensky unsuccessfully tried to subordinate over the summer, charged several important figures in connection with its investigation into a $100 million energy graft scandal. This includes Timur Mindich, Zelensky’s longtime business partner, who fled abroad as the authorities were closing after being tipp`ed off about his imminent arrest. He’s alleged to have also influenced the former Energy and Defense Ministers.
>Speculation is now swirling that Zelensky himself either profited from this corruption or at the very least was aware of it but did nothing since it involved his close friend. This has in turn led to some wondering whether the US might demand that Zelensky step down or if it’ll work towards replacing him through other means. Tacit support for parliamentary efforts to remove him or various coup scenarios, such as a military one or a Color Revolution, are some of the possibilities being discussed on social media.
>On the topic of parliament, former President Pyotr Poroshenko’s European Solidarity party already called for a new cabinet in an attempt to preempt the potential curtailment of European aid on this pretext. He’s also one of Zelensky’s fiercest rivals and could hypothetically replace him since he has experience running the country. That being said, regime change in Ukraine is extremely unlikely without the SBU’s backing, which has ruthlessly suppressed most expressions of political dissent over the past 3.5 years.
>They have practically unlimited power under Zelensky too so there’s no reason for them to oust him. The US has also shown no interest in replacing him either, which would require some coordination with the SBU even if only demanding that they not interfere with the operation, despite a stream of reports from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service over the years alleging that they’re actively preparing to do so. The only way that this will happen is if Trump approves, but he’s on excellent terms with Zelensky nowadays.
>A large-scale Russian breakthrough along the front might make him reconsider if Zelensky defies whatever Trump demands of him in that event, such as immediate concessions of some sort aimed at stopping the advance and averting Ukraine’s full-blown collapse, but that hasn’t yet happened. It can’t be ruled out after Russia encircled Ukraine troops in three key areas, however, but Zelensky might have the political acumen to do whatever is then demanded of him in order to avoid enraging Trump.
>After all, he’s certainly aware that this high-profile corruption scandal could be leveraged by the US for regime change purposes if it wants to, so he’s expected to be on his “best behavior” for the time being. This doesn’t mean that he’ll stop trying to manipulate Trump, such as what his government and their British co-patrons sought to do through the latest false flag provocation that Russia’s Federal Security Service just foiled, just that defying him isn’t likely since it could end with Zelensky’s removal.
>With this insight in mind, Ukraine’s corruption will probably only go as far as a cabinet reshuffle since the SBU has no reason to support regime change against Zelensky (including by passively letting others carry it out instead of thwarting their attempt), nor does Trump (at least for now). It still discredits him and his government even more than they already are, and the Europeans might curtail some funding on this pretext, but expectations that something significant might follow appear to just be wishful thinking. >>2559284You ever notice these "ebil Russian/Soviet poisonings" are always half assed? If the Russians wanted to kill Yushchenko, Saakashvili, Navalny or any other of these western uncle toms, they would've.
>>2559387The scandal that could bring down Volodymyr Zelenskyhttps://archive.is/20251112133342/https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-scandal-that-could-bring-down-volodymyr-zelensky/#selection-1197.0-1197.52
>A solid gold toilet and cupboards loaded with bagfuls of €200 bills are among the treasures linked to the prominent Ukrainian businessman Timur Mindich, after an investigation by Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau (Nabu). Mindich is big in real estate, fertilisers, banking and diamond trading – but he is best known as a long-time co-owner of Volodymyr Zelensky’s Kvartal 95 television production company. Nabu’s 15-month long investigation into what it describes as ‘high level’ corruption at the top of Ukraine’s political elite is likely to have momentous consequences for Zelensky’s political future.
>According to a YouTube video put out by Nabu, their investigation has focused on alleged ‘kickbacks’ from contractors hired to build fortifications to defend energy infrastructure against Russian missiles and drones. The $100 million corruption scheme involved major public enterprises including Ukraine’s national nuclear power company Energoatom, alleges Nabu. As well as Mindich, former energy minister and justice minister Herman Halushchenko is among the suspects. Halushchenko has been suspended as justice minister, but says he will ‘defend myself in the legal domain and prove my position.’ Seventy searches have been carried out with serious charges to follow – though Mindich and several other leading suspects fled Ukraine just hours before the raids.
>Zelensky himself publicly supported the anticorruption crackdown, telling the nation in his nightly address that ‘there must be sentences’ and urging government officials to ‘work together with Nabu and law enforcement agencies.’ But Zelensky will inevitably face serious questions as his close political and business allies fall under suspicion. And it’s also very fishy that just four months ago Zelensky attempted to bring Nabu and its sister agency Sapo under direct government control, forcing through quickly-drafted legislation to scrap the agencies’ operational independence. Zelensky’s move shocked Ukraine’s international allies and prompted major street demonstrations in central Kyiv, the first public protests against the government since the beginning of the war. Under intense back-room pressure from Brussels and Washington, as well as from the Kyiv street, Zelensky eventually backed down. Nabu and Sapo’s interrupted investigations continued – culminating in this week’s politically damaging raids.
>A full-scale war seems to be about to break between independent anticorruption agencies and Zelensky’s inner circle, and the consequences are likely to be ugly. Ukraine’s National Security Service, known as the SBU, is loyal to Zelensky and wields considerable domestic power through its control of the judicial system and prisons. Nabu and Sapo, on the other hand, are heavily backed politically and financially by European and US governments and helped operationally by Western security agencies. That perceived nexus of notional independence and de facto Western control has prompted some Ukrainian politicians to denounce Nabu as a tool of foreign domination. Ukraine is turning into a ‘disenfranchised colony that is losing its sovereignty,’ complained former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko in August after she backed attempts to scrap Nabu’s independence.
>So far the full extent of Nabu’s investigation remains officially confidential. But a slew of recent reports, including in the New York Times, suggest that corruption runs deep and far and involves many figures linked to Zelensky and to Kvartal 95. Questions have been raised over how Fire Point, a casting agency for Zelensky’s films before the war, came to acquire multi-million dollar government contracts to produce drones for the Ukrainian army. Fire Point – which has not been charged with any wrongdoing – also produces a newly-developed Flamingo long-range cruise missile.
>During their searches, Nabu officers discovered over 1,000 hours of audio recordings that Mindich allegedly made of his conversations with business partners. A short teaser trailer put out on social media by Nabu featured a series of clips from different conversations between two men identified by code names who converse in Russian. The recordings don’t make much sense to outsiders – but their publication appears to a warning shot aimed at a very specific audience at the top of Ukraine’s political establishment.
>One sad takeaway of this murky story is that in many ways Ukraine continues to live by the same rules as prevailed in the wild 1990s under Leonid Kuchma or in Boris Yeltsin’s Russia. In the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union it became commonplace for wealthy businessmen to buy control over elements of the security forces and put them to work recording private conversations between leading politicians or business rivals and use the resulting ‘kompromat’ as a political tool. This time round the players are the Western-backed Nabu duking it out with the Zelensky-backed SBU – but the crossover of corruption and high-level politics feels depressingly like a trip back to the future.
>The go-to response for many Zelensky loyalists will be to write the allegations off as Kremlin smears. Indeed Zelensky’s justification for his attempt to bring Nabu under his control back in July were vague and never substantiated allegations of Russian penetration of Nabu. But with the West watching closely, Zelensky has little choice but to endorse Nabu’s takedown of his closest allies and business partners and deal with the consequences for his reputation and political career.
>The image of a golden toilet which was discovered in former president Viktor Yanukovych’s luxurious suburban mansion became an iconic emblem of the corruption that led to 2014’s momentous Maidan protests. It’s a supreme irony that the revolution against those golden toilet-owners led eventually to a full-scale war with Russia – the profits from which, it seems, have been used to buy yet more golden toilets. >>2559399https://x.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1988689802208878649?s=20
>As I said, NABU, which went against Zelensky's cronies, is US proxy in Ukraine: "NABU detectives met with a new FBI agent in connection with the Mindich case, sources say. Yesterday, detectives at the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine met with the new FBI officer, who coordinates cooperation in all NABU investigations. This time, the meeting specifically concerned the case of Timur Mindich , a defendant in Operation Midas, a joint operation between NABU and the SAP.
>As http://ZN.UA has learned , the latest scheduled rotation of the American representative (such changes occur every 4-6 months) recently took place, and a new officer from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation arrived in Kyiv. One of his first working meetings with detectives was specifically about the Mindich case.
>The FBI representative works permanently at NABU under an interagency memorandum signed when the Bureau was founded. He has his own office in the NABU building and communicates daily with detectives, keeping abreast of all investigations, especially high-profile corruption cases. The memorandum of cooperation is renewed every two years. There was a brief technical hiatus after the arrival of the Donald Trump administration, but following NABU Director Semyon Kryvonos's visit to the United States and his meeting with the First Deputy Director of the FBI, the document was renewed. Under this memorandum, ongoing operational cooperation between NABU and the FBI is ensured on cases involving high-profile corruption. This coordination is a technical procedure stipulated by interagency agreements.
>NABU and SAPO uncovered a large-scale corruption scheme involving high-level influence over strategic public sector enterprises, specifically Energoatom. Its organizers received 10-15% of the company's contract value in bribes, with kickbacks paid by contractors imposed on them by the scheme's participants. Overall, the defendants managed to launder $100 million , legalizing it through a separate office in central Kyiv owned by the family of former MP Andriy Derkach.
>The NABU recordings, in particular, feature the president's friends, Timur Mindich and Serhiy Shefir. Also mentioned are Cabinet ministers: Justice Minister Herman Galushchenko, Energy Minister Svitlana Grinchuk , and former Deputy Prime Minister Oleksiy Chernyshov . A SAP prosecutor reported that in the recordings, Mindich gave Galushchenko advice on how to best communicate with the president. According to the recordings, Zelenskyy called Galushchenko after receiving a text message from Mindich. Mindich himself left Ukraine for Israel several hours before the investigation began. Detectives believe he was the one overseeing the money laundering ." >>2559256>Money is very funny in a Banderite world edition. Is this a reference to some recent happenings?
>>2559497Zelensky's dual israeli citizenship friends just embezzled hundreds of millions in "fortifying energy infrastructure" I guess?
>>2559506oh, ok
I forgot about this
>>2559506They are all corrupt but this looks like sacrifices to deal with the public outrage at the power cuts. No fortifications would have prevented the Russians taking out thermal plants and sub-stations.
Several of them fled already and it wouldn’t surprise me if Zelensky tipped them off after throwing them off under the bus.
>>2559506he left to zionistland.
>>2559506>Zelensky's dual israeli citizenship friends just embezzled hundreds of millions in "fortifying energy infrastructure" and it's all come out in a very flashy display with large public interest
Seems ChampSoc and I are the only ones not lazy enough to bake new threads, but don't forget to update the "Previous" thread link.
Maybe more people will bake if they see it's not some big chore. I might add this to the thread template next time I do a bake:
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1. Copy and paste the entire OP template. It's designed so that no manual formatting codes are required.
2. Increment the #number in the title.
3. Use whatever photos you want, and adjust the "edition" text accordingly.
4. Update the "Previous:" link.
5. Post a link to the newly baked thread in the old thread.
>>2559715Tomorrow NYT: "The vatnik-hohol war takes a grim turn"
>>2559387>>2559399>>2559456Heh, the way I'm hoping it plays out is that they have Zelensky dead to rights but either (1) decided to make the PR worse for him by letting him act all noble for a few days before the hammer drops or (2) decided to give him the chance for a graceful exit but he's stubbornly clinging to power.
very super cool
>>2559393MI6 spycraft for a new millennium
incel jimmy bond >>2559715Are they completely unaware of the origin word of the term???
>>2559787They are leaning on their reactionary readers. They know
>Nov 13 (Reuters) - Russia's oil processing has fallen just 3% this year despite Ukraine's biggest drone attacks to date as refineries averted a steep decline in fuel production by leveraging spare capacity to offset damage from the strikes, sources said and data showed
>>2559911But those small fires were ever so smokey, who could have known it wasn’t as critical to the Russian economy or logistics as Kiev clearly wanted us to think? When Budanov jingles some keys on social media, then you just have to start going goo goo and clapping.
>>2559713Tbh thread should probably be cycled again, there’s likely little left for this conflict that will break new ground in the short to medium term, short of one side suddenly surrendering and ending hostilities and the thread is therefore quiet whenever we don’t have /k/opers spending a couple of days trying to provide peremoga about how Ukraine is still developing game changing schemes to skip over the front and destroy Russia from within so shut up about Pokrovsk and other irrelevant “villages”, which do we really need an archive of that?
>>2559962But we will get happening after pokrovsk rout. Threat should have been cycled like last spring after Kursk or something. Not now.
>>2559490>gray zone aggressionWhat is this liberal babble
>>2559968We won’t really get happenings though because the NAFO Xitterdom have already decided that the entirety of Ukraine was always the goal and if all these Donbassian settlements-turned-hubs for logistics and military barracks fall resulting in a then swift capture of the four oblasts and mission accomplished, well then Russia has lost because Kiev Holds!
Quite likely the discussion then ends, it’s just waiting for whatever comes next in Kiev after the end of hostilities gives individuals room to air out their grievances about the last few years, the results being something Russia was merely lucky to witness rather than something that could have possibly been counted on.
>>2559981Stop caring about what the retards and shills think. There is literally no scenario where they would not be butthurt and lie about the situation.
>>2559985Uncycled there’s always the possibility that bread isn’t baked and the last bump-limited thread dies because there isn’t enough buzz worthy news to make this “/ISG/ but for blah blah”.
On the contrary, I’m sure mods are counting on this thread going the way of the anti-campist and multipolarism generals
What do you guys think of the mushroom cloud explosion in Novorussiyisk
>>2559993Sparkly, also desperately needed considering how lopsided the drone and missile exchange is towards Russia against Ukraine
It’s one of the grand ironies, the claim was that there were never any NATO “game changers” and the importance placed on those systems was a product of Russia propaganda to artificially create demoralisation after their obviously swift destruction. But here we now are, Kiev getting absolutely rained on and no one cares because hallowed Russian territory was hit and one of its religious artefacts, a S-400 anti-air missile system, was desecrated.
Comrades,
The DPRK-Russia friendship, which has increased its eternal vitality and the invincibility and power of which have been verified amid the grave tempest of history, is now rising to its historic peak.
This friendship, through which one defends the other by means of will and obligation and both are faithful to their obligations by dint of heroic struggle and death-defying devotion, is a precious wealth shared by the two countries, and it will enable them to enjoy the reputation of being powerful countries.
The confrontation between justice and injustice will get more serious, and challenges by the domination and tyranny will persist, but all this cannot hinder the development of the DPRK-Russia relationship, which has grown closer in the flames of bloody battles.
The years of militant fraternity, in which a guarantee has been provided for the long-term development of the bilateral friendship at the cost of precious blood, will advance non-stop with the ennobling soul of the great heroes, and more honourable pages of strength and victory will be added to the great chronicles of bilateral ties between the two countries, both just and powerful.
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/87d7061fc0ecc179b1319cc22ec6ae7a.kcmsfhttps://greekcitytimes.com/2025/11/13/germany-ends-special-refugee-status-for-ukrainians/
>The German government has announced the end of the special legal status for Ukrainian refugees, a decision made Tuesday evening by coalition partners CDU/CSU and SPD, in line with their coalition agreement, according to BILD.
>Under the new policy, Ukrainians arriving in Germany after April 1, 2025, will be treated as regular asylum seekers rather than under the existing special status. This change means they will receive lower monthly benefits compared to those currently in Germany.
>At present, around 1.1 million Ukrainians live in Germany. Single refugees currently receive 563 euros per month, with additional support for rent and heating. Under the asylum seeker framework, they would receive 196 euros monthly, along with housing and basic necessities.
>The government said the reform aims to encourage greater integration into the workforce, noting that only a small proportion of Ukrainians in Germany are currently employed.
>Earlier proposals had considered retroactively ending the special benefits for all Ukrainian refugees, but strong objections from municipalities and federal states led to a more limited approach. “The bureaucratic effort would have been too large, not worth it. The important thing is that we solved it,” a senior government official told BILD, following an agreement between Interior Minister Alexander Dobrindt (CSU) and Labor Minister Huberta Bass (SPD). https://astanatimes.com/2025/11/kazakhstan-russia-sign-landmark-comprehensive-alliance-declaration/Kazakhstan, Russia Sign Landmark Comprehensive Alliance Declaration
>ALMATY – The declaration on elevating interstate relations between Kazakhstan and Russia to the level of a comprehensive strategic partnership and alliance marks a historic milestone, said President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, following his state visit to Russia on Nov. 11-12.
>According to him, the signed document reflects the unshakable mutual trust and broad prospects for cooperation between the two nations, reported the Akorda press service.
>“With satisfaction, we note that despite the complex international situation, interaction and cooperation are actively developing for the benefit of our people,” Tokayev said.
<Economic cooperation
>Both leaders reaffirmed their commitment to strengthening allied relations and expanding cooperation across all sectors.
>“We have set the goal of bringing trade turnover to $30 billion, and I believe this is entirely achievable,” Tokayev said.
>Putin praised the progress of bilateral ties, noting that Russia remains Kazakhstan’s largest trading and investment partner.
>“In 2024, our trade exceeded $27 billion, and in the first nine months of this year it already reached $20 billion,” he said.
>Tokayev emphasized that Russian investments in Kazakhstan reached a record $4 billion in 2024, bringing the total to $27 billion, while Kazakh investments in Russia amounted to $9 billion.
<Energy and atomic cooperation
>A key focus of the discussions was cooperation in the energy sector, particularly in the peaceful use of nuclear energy. Tokayev announced that Kazakhstan, together with an international consortium led by Rosatom, has begun construction of its first nuclear power plant.
>“More than 6,000 workers and 3,000 specialists will be involved at the construction stage. Strengthening human capital in the nuclear industry is of primary importance. We are paying great attention to cooperation with Russian universities in this area,” he said.
>Tokayev highlighted the recent opening of a branch of the National Research Nuclear University at Al-Farabi Kazakh National University as an example of deepening educational partnership.
<Expanding educational cooperation
>Tokayev noted that nine Russian universities now operate branches in Kazakhstan, enrolling 4,000 students. Additionally, Kazakhstan’s flagship Al-Farabi Kazakh National University opened its first overseas branch in Omsk, marking a milestone in bilateral academic cooperation.
>According to him, more than 1,450 inter-university agreements are in force between Kazakhstan and Russia, enabling double-degree programs and joint research initiatives.
<Strategic partnership for a shared future
>Both leaders reaffirmed that Kazakhstan and Russia remain reliable, time-tested strategic partners united by common history, values, and interests.
>“Thanks to constructive and trust-based dialogue at all levels, our cooperation is gaining new substance,” Tokayev said.
>Earlier in the day, President Tokayev met with Chairwoman of the Federation Council of Russia, Valentina Matviyenko. During the conversation, Tokayev emphasized that he views his visit as a landmark event in the development of Kazakh-Russian relations.
>At the conclusion of the visit, President Tokayev invited Putin to pay a state visit to Kazakhstan in 2026, reaffirming the two nations’ shared vision for stability, prosperity, and human capital development across Eurasia. >>2560673this exists so they can say they prevented russia from taking everything by 2026 when that wasn't their goal to begin with
>>2560673>Ukrainian and natoite pre-copemap.Russia would have failed if they dont reach at least these borders.
>>2560673When Russia seizes the whole of the four Oblasts they will use this to show how they won, actually.
>>2561096
NATO's main armaments were Soviet-made/socialist era before this war, and now the European NATO is essentially demilitarized as they had given over to Ukraine their own weaponry - while still not receiving replacements
NATO can just keep funneling arms to Ukraine and keep Russia locked in perpetual stalemate until Putin burns through all of his country's finances and international credibility. It's like when a child is throwing a tantrum you don't necessarily have to beat him, you can just take away all his toys and put him in time out until he gets tired of his little game.
It's honestly pretty hilarious how poor and shitty and disorganized Russia is compared to western countries. Texas has more money than Russia does, Italy has more money than Russia does. The combined GDP of NATO is 20 times that of Russia, Russia is a joke in the international economy and always has been. Taking over Ukraine isn't going to turn the tables for Russia, nothing is ever going to turn the tables for Russia and make it a big powerful global superpower again. It's over. Russia is acting like a pathetic middle-aged man buying a Camaro and trying to relive the glory days.
>>256111350 years from now, GDP will be calculated based off exchange rate to yuan, with yuan as reserve currency, and present day's GDP will be reevaluate according to future standards, and we will see that USA was second to China, and that Euroids were below Russia's GDP, lololol
>>2561113>>2561101how's the weather in brussles?
>Day 1.361 of the 2 day SMO
How are you ziggernazis holding up? Latest copium? All the fault of horse face probably-Jewish Mossad Lavrov? Something else?
>>2561158He wasn't a chef, he was a restaurant owner (or a provider of dishes to Kremlin kitchens) - who also happened to be "eccentric" enough to serve dishes to president personally, in a chef's hat
>>2561163What the fuck are you talking about? Russia culminated three years ago
>>2559261 >>2561100>European NATO is essentially demilitarizedAnd then everyone clapped and said Heil Putin Fuhrer of all Ziggernazis
>>2561165>ziggernazi whatabouteryLol. Lmao, even. 2 day SMO not going well for you nazi retard?
>support the side decked out in Nazi symbols
>claim it is their enemies who are actually Nazis
The NPC's brain unit is faulty, and will likely experience failure in the future.
>>2561167Porkovsk status?
>>2561164Thank you nerd 🤓
>>2561113>It's honestly pretty hilarious how poor and shitty and disorganized Russia is compared to western countries. Texas has more money than Russia does, Italy has more money than Russia does. The combined GDP of NATO is 20 times that of Russia, Russia is a joke in the international economy and always has been. Taking over Ukraine isn't going to turn the tables for Russia, nothing is ever going to turn the tables for Russia and make it a big powerful global superpower again. It's over. Russia is acting like a pathetic middle-aged man buying a Camaro and trying to relive the glory days.yea honestly it's so funny, i can't stop laughing. not sure why my democracy isn't winning and rebirthing itself tho
>>2561167>>2561166>>2561163Hows that Black Hawk operation going lel
Russia establishes Unmanned Systems Forces
The structure of this new branch of the armed forces has been determined, the head of the Unmanned Systems Forces has been appointed, military administration units have been created at all levels
https://tass.com/defense/2042371>>2561237>the head of the Unmanned Systems Forces has been appointedSounds counterintuitive tbh
There is now a vast “grey zone” on the Ukrainian front.
<According to experts, the real situation along the front line is increasingly difficult to map.
>Ukraine’s armed forces continue to hold, but conditions have worsened in recent months. This is the assessment of Michael Kofman, a military analyst at the Carnegie Endowment, who recently visited the Ukrainian front. Drones still cause the majority of daily casualties, and what Kofman calls a “grey zone” has emerged along the line of contact.
<“On the ground, the war is still not defined by trenches or continuous defensive lines, but by small two- or three-man positions separated by large gaps. These forward positions are neither firing points nor observation posts. The front is porous and presence does not equal control,” Kofman writes on X.
>Russian troops are attempting to infiltrate the gaps between Ukrainian positions by splitting units into one- or two-man groups that try to advance as far as possible past Ukrainian lines. Their attempts are bloody, but some manage to get through and establish new positions.
<“The result is a large grey area where no one can say with certainty who controls what, making the battlefield extremely hard to chart. Russian and Ukrainian positions have blended together in towns and forest edges. The reality may therefore be much better, or much worse, than maps suggest,” Kofman notes.
>In his analysis, Kofman also highlights a recent shift in Ukrainian casualties. Losses from artillery fire have decreased, while a growing share of Ukraine’s killed and wounded have served in support roles. Although Ukraine has lost some of its earlier advantage in drone warfare, he says the country’s armed forces continue to adapt effectively. Most Ukrainian units now have unmanned vehicles suitable for logistics and resupply tasks.
<“These systems require more skill and training, but their use is promising and reduces manpower losses,” Kofman writes.https://x.com/KofmanMichael/status/1989384507317690696 >>2559981At this rate, they'll end up claiming all of Europe was the goal, and then the next step, all of the West.
I love these odds.
>>2561280Greyzone in natospeak just russian controlled area.
>Russian and Ukrainian positions have blended together in towns and forest edges. The reality may therefore be much better, or much worse, than maps suggest,” Kofman notes.Ukraine can't hold it's fronlines is a good thing?
>>2561310>NATO employee of the year - Vladimir PutinWell deserved. NATO was completely irrelevant before this war.
>>2561321>nato was irrelevant up until the moment someone slightly challenged western hegemonywhoa, no way? fr on marx?
>>2561321NATO's approval rating in western states has risen and it has gained members that for the entirety of the 20th century were neutral and had even supported anti-imperialist forces during the cold war. Congrats on your NATO containment mission!!!!
>>2561330HATO has been demilitarised and contained, that's what the Nazi propaganda on RT.com told me and I have no reason to doubt it as a faithful leftypol zigger nazi
>>2561158What non imperialist things is Socialist Russia doing in Africa exactly
>>2561414They probably have offices in different locations. Making them replicas is actually a smart move so as not to broadcast location at every point and offer continuity to broadcasts.
Having said that though i do not even know if this is real.
>>2561113Where's your ammo, NAFOfag?
What's the latest reason for the NAFO-posting?
>>2561382It's such a stupid "we will never give up! Slave Ukraini!" propaganda piece. A soldier with no hands or legs is not an asset but a burden that gets himself and his squad killed. What would even be his purpose? Eat one fpv drone for bandera so that his more able bodied hohols-in-arms don't get hit?
>>2561385They are fighting bandersomething NATO biolabs which clone Boris Johnson super soldiers
t. Ziggernazi pro
>>2561431Being intercepted by zigger nazi faces :)
New SBS record the other day btw, hope you're coping with the loss well nazi shithead
>>2561113They're sanctioned to hell and back and only have other sanctioned states as strong allies. Not to mention, they have abandoned socialism completely. What other reason is there really? Of course GDP, a worthless measure for workers, is going to the shitters when they can't freely buy or sell most stuff on the world market.
>Muh ChynahIf Chynah actually wanted to end this, they would show way WAY stronger support, but they're just tiptoeing the line to not start an economic war with European countries. I don't blame them here, but Ruzzia is now a big reactionary capitalist state that will continue being shit until socialism is reinstated.
>>2561435leftypol probably gets namedropped as a bogeyman on /uhg/ from time to time which prompts some of them to come and shitpost. Pretty funny to have beef with a thread that has ~40 unique posters and much less in reality tho
>>2561414>WE HAVE 195.259 OF PUTINSThats not an asset but liability.
>>2561566So you think /uhg/ has more?
Runazis are in recession. Latest methodichka for this?
Exactly the types you expect…
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/10/13/pekka-child-profiteer-ukraine-disinfo/>Faux disinformation expert Pekka Kallioniemi gained notoriety by smearing critics of the Ukraine proxy war. Since being unmasked for peddling pornographic representations of minors, Kallioniemi has been caught promoting fraudulent KGB documents to slander a journalist as a Russian spy.>In October 2024, mainstream Canadian defense journalist David Pugliese suffered “the political equivalent of a drive-by shooting,” according to a local publication called The Walrus. Citing alleged KGB documents, a prominent lawmaker accused Pugliese of being a longstanding Soviet/Russian spy during a parliamentary hearing on “disinformation.” Those files turned out to be blatant forgeries, but parliamentary privilege insulated the accuser from a defamation suit.>However, the same protections do not apply to a self-proclaimed “disinformation expert” named Pekka Kallioniemi, who simultaneously promoted the fraudulent material.>With the eruption of the Ukraine proxy war in 2022, Kallioniemi abruptly emerged as a leading authority on “Russian disinformation”, best known for lengthy Twitter/X threads smearing prominent Western critics of the war as Russian assets, sexual deviants and worse. Rather than factually rebutting the assertions and positions of his opponents, Kallioniemi specializes in character assassination, disseminating supposedly embarrassing personal details of targets in order to invalidate their opinions.>A look at Kallioniemi’s personal history before his stint as a disinfo researcher reveals his personal attacks to be exercises in projection. The Finnish academic poseur turns out to have been a small-time, sexually obsessed internet hustler who peddled pornographic representations of minors while boasting on online chat forums of his most depraved hijinks, including masturbating at a memorial to a WWII-era concentration camp near Berlin. >Kallioniemi’s latest target, Pugliese, is a seasoned reporter who has exposed Canadian government and military corruption over the course of his 40 year career. His muckraking has angered powerful forces in his country, including the member of parliament who libeled him, Chris Alexander. Furnishing what he claimed were photocopies of documents taken from “pre-1991 archives of the Ukrainian KGB,” Alexander insisted the files proved Pugliese had worked for Moscow for decades. Alexander said the material was in the hands of Ottawa’s “national security officials,” and had been authenticated by “several of the world’s leading experts on KGB documents.”>The following month, Kallioniemi published the fraudulent files. While using careful phraseology to avoid directly accusing Pugliese of being a “spy for the Soviet Union then later Russia,” Kallioniemi clearly implied this was the case. He not only reiterated Alexander’s assertion the documents “were proven to be authentic by experts,” but also declared:>“A leading expert on KGB operations stated that the documents confirm Pugliese was recruited by 1984, meaning that he was accepting conspiratorial methods of work and taskings directly from Moscow, and by 1990 he was also receiving money.”>In July this year, a researcher demonstrated through a detailed academic paper that the documents were crude forgeries. The findings were supported by Ukrainian archivists themselves, who were unable to verify the material or find duplicates in their own records. The paper further concluded Pugliese was “subject to a coordinated character assassination campaign.” In the intervening time, he and his family have been threatened, forcing him to increase security around his home. Pugliese has also been added to Myrotvorets, an SBU-linked hitlist of Kiev’s enemies.>Pugliese commented to The Grayzone: “I am not surprised the ‘documents’ Chris Alexander presented have been proven to be forgeries. As I testified to Canada’s parliament in November 2024, the photocopied records contain significant factual errors about my personal history. Alexander presented no supporting evidence to indicate the so-called records were even real. I told parliamentarians, ‘it is the height of irony that a committee studying disinformation would in fact propagate it.’ The question still to be answered is who is behind these forgeries and what are their real motives?”>Pugliese further notes how Kallioniemi failed to reveal his own financial relationship with a controversial charity, Mriya Report, in his defamatory Twitter/X thread. The Canadian journalist has published a several articles detailing grave concerns about the organization, including how and where its donations are spent. In fact, Kallioniemi received thousands of dollars simply for hosting Twitter/X spaces for Mriya Report. In October 2024, over 20 of the charity’s volunteers resigned due to ethical concerns about its activities.>“It’s disturbing how this ‘disinformation’ expert has himself spread disinformation,” Pugliese commented to The Grayzone. “To summarize this situation, Pekka Kallioniemi, who is linked to a charity that is facing various controversies, published false claims about a journalist who has been writing about and investigating this same charity. I have met with lawyers and all options are being examined.”>Kallioniemi exposed as fraud and child porn peddler >Kallioniemi’s smearing of Pugliese could ultimately prove the demise of his brief but highly profitable career smearing and doxxing journalists, researchers, politicians, and even private citizens during the Ukraine proxy war, under the guise of battling “disinformation.” >In several cases, Kallioniemi has publicized sensitive personal information such as divorce records, exposed the real identities of anonymous social media users, and circulated sensitive personal data apparently acquired through illegal means. Independent journalist Johnny Miller claims Kallioniemi released material hacked from his phone, while he simultaneously received “escalating death threats,” prompting him to claim asylum in Russia. Despite his ethically dubious conduct – or perhaps because of it – Kallioniemi has cultivated mainstream attention, earning a quote as an academic expert in “social media and disinformation” by the New York Times in April 2024.>Byline Times, a British intelligence-linked publication, has also published his work. However, Kallioniemi has struggled to secure an audience outside the highly weaponized, bot-saturated bounds of Twitter/X. His own backstory is murky, with little information readily available about him online. Nonetheless, Kallioniemi’s easily accessible web footprint is sufficient to prove his claims of spending years researching social media “disinformation” are a bare-faced lie.>Open source records of Kallioniemi’s lengthy academic history offer no evidence of any such interest. Papers published under his name instead focus on topics such as “enriching airport experiences through interactive storytelling,” and “collaborative navigation in virtual worlds.” Few of his followers bothered to ask obvious questions as his status as an “expert” grew, and income soared from sources including Ukrainian charities. >Finally, in May 2024, internet sleuths released deeply damaging details of Kallioniemi’s own personal life. Their revelations included his history of peddling and profiting from sexual depictions of children through a network of porn websites he managed for several years. On the Kallioniemi-controlled web pages, users were encouraged to publish erotic fantasies involving “teenage boy 13 – 18,” “teenage girl 13 -18,” as well as “non-consensual sex” apparently depicting scenes of rape. Another section directed readers to erotica about “incest and inbreeding.” >A 2014 note posted to these sites informed visitors the multiple pornographic platforms Kallioniemi managed had been conglomerated into a wider den of digital degeneracy. It stated the sites had historically neither accepted ad revenue nor charged users a fee for viewing or contributing explicit material. Instead, they were a personal passion project, financed out of his own pocket and through “sums given by small, individual donors.” Now, Kallioniemi was seeking donations to the sites’ parent company, which also developed video games.>It is unknown whether Kallioniemi had “teenage girl 13 – 18” on his mind when he masturbated in the toilets of a memorial to a World War II-era concentration camp – one of several obscene acts about which he openly boasted online before his “counter-disinformation” grift commenced and web footprint was cleansed. Enterprising cyber sleuths discovered an array of vile comments Kallioniemi made in his previous life as an alt-right shitposter, including on Reddit, and a pre-proxy war Twitter account.>“There’s a lot of money in this, believe me”>In a sublime irony, the fanatically anti-Russian Kallioniemi was found to have once named Vladimir Putin as his “favorite President”, and expressed dismay over the “civil war in Donbass” that erupted in 2014 following the Western-fomented Maidan coup. In his current guise, Kallioniemi condemns suggestions the Donbas conflict was not a Russian invasion as a bogus ‘Vatnik’ talking point. He also offered free advertising space on porn sites he ran, while apparently publishing a guide to “500 ways to make money FAST! [emphasis in original]”>Kallioniemi’s get-rich-quick schemes included selling salacious information on celebrities to tabloids, “[marrying] into money” – reportedly “easy for hot girls/women” – starting an escort service, and making “your own porn.” >On the latter point, he declared, “amateur porn sells SO [emphasis in original] good…just make a film with your boyfriend/girlfriend/friend and sell it to some amateur porn site (there are thousands of these)”. Kallioniemi promised, “there’s a lot of money in this, believe me,” strongly suggesting he has personally profited from such activity.>After this reporter contacted Kallioniemi to inquire about his past ownership of several porn sites, he took to Twitter/X to preempt the coming storm. In a May 15, 2024 post, Kallioniemi tacitly acknowledged the authenticity of the unearthed material and his ownership of the sites, whining, “they’re attempting to blackmail me with, is presumably that as a young entrepreneur, I launched a few sex sites back in 2009, which I made money on selling them some years later [sic].”>His admission predated the revelation that those sites contained explicit sexual representations of minors and rape and incest fantasies. Kallioniemi went on to complain about “personal information on me, and on my family” being published, while chalking up his past bigotry to being “an ‘edgy’ 30-something.” >Tellingly, these damning disclosures failed to dent Kallioniemi’s standing among his supporters, in particular within the NATO-endorsed contingent of pro-Ukraine cyberbullies known as NAFO. “Running a porn site is hella based,” one NAFO supporter replied to his semi-confessional post.>His assorted Twitter/X threads on so-called ‘Vatniks’ targeted supposed “disinformation” purveyors and Russian “useful idiots” ranging from Julian Assange to Pope Francis to journalists at The Grayzone. He eventually converted his smear-filled dossiers into a November 2024 book called “Vatnik Soup – The Ultimate Guide to Russian Disinformation.” Kallioniemi claimed the supposedly “effective antidote to Russian bullshit” had sold 5,000 physical copies in just four months. >The book’s foreword was authored by none other than Ukraine head of military intelligence, Kyrylo Budanov, demonstrating the level of official support for Kallioniemi’s smear tactics. However, only a paltry 10% of the book’s net profits were earmarked for UNITED24, Ukrainian President Volodmyr Zelensky’s official charitable donation platform. Despite his high-level endorsements and dedicated online supporters, Kallioniemi’s grift is so brazen, numerous Ukrainians and hardcore Kiev supporters have taken umbrage at his digital panhandling.>In April, Kallioniemi claimed Ukrainian authorities had asked him for “help on building war crime cases against Russian propagandists who are spouting hate speech and inciting genocide online.” For reasons unclear, Kallioniemi requested his followers donate $25,000 for the apparently state-directed project. Several Twitter/X users wondered why he could not simply invest some of the vast sums he reaped from his “disinformation” expertise into the effort instead.>One Ukrainian slammed Kallioniemi’s shakedown as “absolutely disgusting” in an extraordinary diatribe documenting how “money people donated to help Ukraine” had repeatedly been abused to “line [Kallioniemi’s] pocket [sic].” She forcefully declared her country needed “drones, ambulances, tactical medicine — not Pekka’s vanity projects,” urging her followers, “please don’t donate to this bullshit.” >The pushback might explain why Kallioniemi has since deleted all his posts mentioning the purported project. Its status today is unclear.>Kallioniemi’s personal enrichment from supposedly charitable sources not only verges on illegal activity, it is clearly hypocritical, given his habit of accusing so-called ‘Vatniks’ of cynical financial schemes. Still, despite weathering the storm over his child porn profiteering, allowing for the publication of a second edition of his book, Kallioniemi announced his intention to permanently quit Twitter/X on October 8, 2025. >Perhaps he has achieved the dream he charted out before he was a prominent proxy war propagandist, when he said he aimed “to pay zero taxes when I’m 40 and use all the benefits of our welfare state” and thus “be ultimate [sic] parasite!” But there is also the considerable possibility Kallioniemi is finally grappling for the first time with the consequences of disseminating toxic disinformation.>Pekka Kallioniemi was repeatedly approached for comment by The Grayzone, but failed to respond before publication. >>2561167ATO status?
leg status?
B-ACK-mut status?
Every oil terminal in the Black Sea is getting thwacked by Ukrainian flamingoes which ziggers itt claimed didn't exist or didn't work and were actually just Taurus missiles because NATO is very very evil and Ukraine lies
Meanwhile ziggernazis are bankrupt and their ports have to be closed
Ziggers keep losing air defence to *checks notes* aerial attacks. SEAD from a country without an air force
Nazi military strategy isn't the best is it? Maybe they should have stayed home
>>2561382Jesus christ that is bleak
>>2561382How are you supposed to fire or reload a rifle without hands
>>2561603Theres just a few strays from there that come here to shitpost, its not.all of them. I mean they have nothing going on in their lives besides posting on the internet and eventually get bored with only talking amongst themselves.
They have a unique posting style (manic performative edginess) that gives em away.
>>2561821Every accusation is an admission
>>2561836You got told that once ITT and it has clearly been life changing for you
MosKKKow regime bombing Volhohrad People's Republic again :(
>>2561870I'd consider starting if you were even using it correctly.
>>2561884>global changes required to defend UkraineHonestly forget Bandera, their national hero is fucking Icarus with how close they fly to the sun with such entitlement.
>>2561889kek, though in this instance he means "global" in the sense of "comprehensive changes in ukrainian command" rather than "billions must givas"
>>2561891They would still need a massive increase in givas to have any medium to long term chances of surviving.
>>2561891Ah, that's surprisingly sensible. Although to be fair I'm sure by now most actual Ukrainian telegramists are dooming, because western pro-Ukrainian Xitterites seemingly have stopped signal boosting actual Ukrainians in favour of reporting their own "findings" about the state of the front, from 3,000 km away.
>>2561939>17:30>Ukrainian casket droneStay winning Ukraine
>>2561945These articles are great but paywalling them fucking sucks
>>2561310>Ukrainian regions fully captured - 0/24Lugansk begs to differ.
>>2561884welp, happy trails.
to the depths of the hell where bandera rots.
>>2562016the essence of the division between global north and global south
>>2562016literally launch all westoids into the sun now
>>2562016>even germany with their anti-nazi lawsah, cool, the conservatives like merz will run to legalize the nasdp.
>>2562016What da Israel doin?
>North Macedonia No
>Montenegro No
>Bosnia & HerzoGOVNO No
>Croatia No
>Slovenia No
>Bulgaria No
>Albania No
>Serbia Yes
Now I support the creation of Greater Serbia instead of Greater Yugoslavia and erasing the rest of those fuckers.
>>2562067eh, i guess voting against an anti-nazi res is just a bridge too far for the jewish state
>>2562016100% to protect the current Ukrainian nazi military
>>2561884>3.14darsTop kek
>>2561670Hahaha he fell for the "KGB archives in Kiev" meme.
>>2561113It is hilarious how poor shitty and sanctioned Russia is out producing all those countries in military equipment. Imagine what Chyna is going to be capable of when the US finally pushes them too far.
>>2559992Then the only active threads would be ISG and USPOL.
This is Mariupol Drama Theater today. Since Russian sources are not allowed on Wikipedia,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_Academic_Regional_Drama_Theater Wikipedia refuses to acknowledge that Theater was restored
This is an interimperialist war.
>>2562222Yes, between the US and EU.
>>2562232This is a war between USA and EU.
>this is /ISG/ for people who treats geopolitics like shitty map games
So, mods still edited despite >mods pls no edit
>>2562270But they didn't correct the previous thread link.
>>2562324That's a CAESAR 8x8. 6.78 million dollars, btw.
>>2562328>>2562270It's Misato. Take it up with them. Not like they can post here without getting dogpiled, so they just seethe from a distance.
>>2562339Nothing to take up with them really, it was already obvious that /pol/, spam, gore, low-effort, slurs, shitposting goes largely unmoderated in this thread
despite the mod's presence here.
They're just keeping up the age old Trot tradition of losing the argument and then ragesupporting fascists.
>behead NATO, crush NATO, etc.This is eyerolling, right? They lost the argument about the cause of this conflict, thus now they fall in to "leave NATO alone! They were irrelevant until you made them important!"
I'm sure the only reason they don't outright ban these threads is because it's like half the engagement for this board, even if most of that is the shitposters they've endorsed.
>>2562343eh, mods remove nafo shitposts from time to time, i think there is a split on the matter among them like everywhere else on the board
Like it was probably early 2023 was the last time we ever had someone actually try to argue
in favour of Ukraine from a leftist perspective, since then it's just this
>>2562341 kind of reposting of SBU or western think tank claims that Russia has been humiliated, as though anyone ITT would care let alone the reality of the EU wringing out its banks to fill corrupt pockets in Kiev simply in the hopes that at the very least, Russia's apparent victory can be presented as humiliating to an audience of people who have lost jobs, lost treats, lost healthcare, etc in support of a Ukraine whom everyone will eventually agree probably lost in Summer 2023.
Why do zigger fascists bomb innocent civilians in Volhohrad People's Republic?
>>2562344Go back to chug Nazi retard. You can't bear to see Russian Nazis being mocked and humiliated
>>2562347Wrong post perhaps?
>>2562345>Textwalls of cope will save Nazi RussiaLmao seethe
>>2562344They'd have to have been pretty egregious posts, because in the past we've had days of entire threads just chock-a-block with seething about the ziggers and no u the reel nazis not banderos that were essentially untouched.
>>2562350he probably prefers picture books like trump
>>2562339What do these mods even do except seethe about active threads? You'd think they'd at least try and post positive shit for their positions.
>>2562341Shit the SVO is down to 2 days now? At this rate of change we'll be at 2 hour SVO by 2026.
>>2562343Mods are alright sometimes, my suspicion is that it's because the trolls pretend to be left-wing while they post here. The mods want to keep the site as diverse as possible so they don't touch those, also they don't touch the braindead nafo trolls in china, venezuela and other threads for the same reason. Even if one side of that diversity is people having reasonable discussion and other is mindbroken liberals grasping at straws, banning the bad faith party would make the site less diverse. Also they are the biggest reason for activity in many threads.
>>2562368Fair enough but I'm not triggered by a probably wise decision to not bias the thread by allowing very obviously pro-NATO talking points expressed in very low effort ways despite the potential for abuse, I'm triggered that on top of that one of the mods just has to add to every thread's OP
>this is /ISG/ for people who treats geopolitics like shitty map gamesnow followed up by an eyerolling
>behead NATO, crush NATO, etc.but not modifying the OP in the one way it actually needed to be, the link to the previous thread needs to corrected.
Does it really bother them that much that they're moderating one of the few places on the English-speaking internet that hasn't been brow-beaten into thinking invasion is worse than integrating, promoting, funding, arming and then martyring Nazi saluting fascists?
>>2562384i don't mind that line, it's funny
we can afford some self-deprecating irony because we're on the side that is objectively correct ;)
Because the defensiveness of NATO as "not that big of a deal" is a necessity of that brow-beating, if asserting that Ukraine unironically making an alliance with the Nazis a proud part of their history still doesn't justify invasion by a country that suffered the most at the hands of the Nazis and invasion is worse than unironic state-endorsed neo-nazism, then the invasion of Afghanistan/Iraq surely now goes beyond being imperialistic to just the west being as fascistic as Nazi Germany or even worse.
The board outside of this thread is rife with threads trying to argue against their own conclusion that invasions/interventionism make the West worse than Nazi Germany, that actually that's true for Russia but just Third Worldism when applied to the West.
>>2562389It's funny how heated the yankoids get about "third worldism" and that you never see the "muh ruscism" posters in those threads.
>>2562388Man, territory is old news by now, the more prescient point is that this thread has given a whole new meaning to the term "Oil Wars"
>That oil refinery strike in Saratov cost Russia…. 3.4 … BILLION dollars! *if capacity is completely and permanently halted<Fuck that, small potatoes, what about the strike on that electric substation!? Kievians are going to go mad without their evening TV! *if it wasn't already unbearable after Russian shows were banned and replaced with televised demands for revenge, revenge, REVENGE! >>2562368It's just unpaid mods slacking off over time, not some plot (they used to ban /k/opers, natoids, and /pol/chuds all the time in this general). Happens everywhere. The alternative is to bring in new blood more frequently, but then we get an arguably worse phenomenon: the over-zealous mod.
>>2562402>the over-zealous mod.As a matter of self-awareness, I will not be volunteering.
>>2562411I think the numbers say they've mobilised ~4 million. So probably 2 million. But a lot of that would be things like traumatic brain injury from hiding in a bunker being shelled/droned.
>>2562411Close the pocket ziggers
ICP didnt call this conflict interimperialist in their last issue and acknowledged that russia is stable and is winning. So, le icp no longer thinks of this war as interimperialist one. Not that they elaborated how it is interimperialist in the first place. All leftcom ultroid bordiggers can support russia now.
>>2562465 (me)
>lastI meant latest
>>2562465Russian imperialism isn't imperialism because some tankies said so. Gotcha.
>>2562537>muh tankiesICP are leftcom ultroid bordiggers
>ziggers
>leftist
>westoids
>humans
>>2562548Westoids are pharmaceutically augmented transhumans
>>2562364Considering the line right above about the Internationalism General, they tacitly support Third Campism. That general was very shitty, and got abandoned quickly over a year ago.
Should you be worried about this strain of Shachtman, a fake Trot, that spent his entire life going to the right, infecting the moderation team? Personally, I'm more concerned about nobody ever acknowledging the theoretical basis of "anti-campism".
>>2562699Anti-campism is the worst product of campism
>>2562694how fucking grim. if ever there was an indicator of the rise of global fascism. if you're not white and in the global north, get the fuck out.
>>2562819yeah. i am morally outraged by fascism.
>>2562811>>2562819provide a non-moralist argument in favor of nato and ukraine
>>2562910Why should one do that? You do it
>>2562819>>2562811Define "moralism", and explain how it relates to a worthless UN vote (redundant).
>>2563032“Moralism” as the new “whataboutism”
>>2563070Opposition to blackest reaction? Moralism.
What's going on in Ukraine anyway?
Status?
>>2563099Russians bogged down again and getting massacrad by their so called brothers
So why did Putin even get that video of Trump giving Clinton a blowjob at Epstein's? Was Putin Epstein's buddy?
>>2563319I am going to chime in with my two cents. Epstein's brother asked this in a particular time where trump was accused of being a Russian asset. He might be joking and being derisory, or be serious in that question. Now, I am sure that Epstein had something very bad on turmp, or else trump wouldn't be doing the smoke curtain he is doing by initiating an investigation, which blocks the release of the files.
is it a video (the email said photos) of trump giving a blowjob on bubba (clinton)? probably not.
is it bad?
oof really bad.
Also, Russians want to know everything behind Epstein, because of the typical trafficked girls. the Slavic girls were, apparently, the frequent target of Epstein. If Russians want to know, and that the truth to come out, then I assume they don't have that kind of dirt on trump.
>>2563319>>2563463Epstein typed there are 'the' photos of Trump doing :>=, so he likely had in mind specific extant ones.
Him asking if Putin has them is likely a joke though.
>>2563678can't snub the Stubb
Russia win the war yet? XD
>>2562016>>2562694>Israel actually voting yesI guess some things are beyond the pale even for the Entity
>>2563792dree days do keev :DD
Getting the feeling that it’s not really being answered where Ukraine’s funding for next year is coming from, because they’ve still not made a decision on stealing Russian assets to give Ukraine which was supposed to fund them up until around Summer 2026 apparently.
Tbh, there’s rarely a sensible and reasonable reason for why powers collapse, if the EU unironically dissolves to avoid the debt it racked up funding Ukraine’s defence, only for a lot of that to be stolen by the Ukrainian bourgeoisie who don’t seem to have ever been invested in their country long term based on never getting over the 90s nu-bourg state-to-pocket corruption bonanza to secure the future of Ukrainian statehood, then that is exactly the kind of runaway dumbassery that big historical changes are made of. Typified by circumstances driven by profit and “interests” rather than there being people actually at the helm.
213 Naziggers intercepted drones with their faces yesterday. New record. Madyar's new denazification comps are gonna hit so hard
>>2563816Do you not realise that edgy posts just make you sound more emo than anything else? Like, you’d only talk like that if you felt genuinely hurt by something and you’re forcing yourself to enjoy a perceived comeuppance.
>The popular girl got stood up at the dance after rejecting me, heh, classic.
>Her public humiliation will be her well deserved downfall
<nothing personell but I’m going to savour every moment
That’s basically what you sound like
>>2563819its funny how they never post actual important news or analysis, just irrelevant propaganda war shit
they must really feel like trolling obscure imageboards with their low effort propaganda is doing their part for nato on the social media frontline, because these people are impressively dedicated
This is an interimperialist war, like basically 99% of all wars fought in the past 50 years. The correct communist position is to call for the working class in both countries to stop fighting each other and redirect violence against their ruling class instead.
Just repeating this for any newbies who are here and don't know what the communist position is. You can safely ignore the screechings of Nafoids and Zegroids.
>>2562411The leak said 1.7 million dead Ukrainians. Top that with seriously wounded. Lightly wounded don't get out of the AFU unless they get back in the trench and die or get seriously wounded.
>>2563877Just talked to the working classes of both countries and they agreed to do a double revolution. Nice works, comrades.
>>2563877Can you elaborate on how it is an interimperialist war?
>>2563877The only problem is that Ukraine doesn't exists as an independent state anymore. It's a nato's war on Russia. Ukraine is just a proxy. We would need revolutions in the west not in Ukraine to have lasting peace.
forgot the flag.
>>2563678>nerves status>unnerved>>2563584I wonder if we live to see the total release of the files.
I bet the US establishment will wait until everyone involved is dead and can't talk to ruin some people's careers.
>>2563934a friend of mine talks like this about Russia all the time. me and another friend try to point out that he shouldn't trust NATO propaganda but he doesn't listen. or he implies that we're pro-Russia or that we think Russia is going to win. to which we just say that we don't know because the war would have been over already if that were the case. and of course that one only has to look at which the direction the front is moving
>>2563952the sad part is, you can see even die-hard ukrainians sounding the alarms at all fronts. but nato moves to
until the last ukrainian direction, whether ukrains like it or not.
>>2563952Tbh it was already over for NATO when the threat of instant armageddon if Russia ever moves westward was immediately downgraded to think-tanking up theories for how Russia will be defeated by circumstance. They’ve ratcheted up their involvement, risk and expenditure since then in an attempt to make the “correct” circumstances for Russia’s own self-defeat to come to pass, but ultimately NATO failed in its primary purpose as a deterrent against intervention in their expansionism and the reality that expansion is not actually for Ukraine’s protection laid bare.
>>2563961You played with this tweet for like a week now. We know, one more week and Ukraine collapsed.
>>2563983>for like a week now>November 15.oh, if you mean that Saturday was
last week, ok.
it's every ukie miliblog sounding the alarm. but hey, Pokrovsk stands, am I right?
>>2563961those are clearly RuZZian bots, Ivan
Why do ziggers kill themselves so much in Ukraine? Aren't they supposed to be winning? I think many of them might be trans
>>2563988That anon needs to buy a watch or a calendar or something because they’re almost certainly the same anon that last month tried to claim that the invasion has been going on for “like 5 years”
>>2564004Because they read this thread, more importantly they read your posts.
Presumably the guilt consumes them for killing anyone retarded enough to be pro-NATO in the current decade
>>2564024waiting for the NATOids to find an excuse to start deporting ukrainians. I got called a bot for pointing this out 1-2 years ago on my country's subreddit
>>2564033It will a tale spun that there’s plenty of non-combat roles that needs to be filled in the Ukrainian military to free up willing combat troops and everyone is being deported to become chief military ration taster or to build FPV drones in a nuclear bunker.
>>2563891Eh why would I? I'm a fucking doofus.
>>2564024Seriously why do you think Zelensky did it? In my mind he wanted to save the young ones to live to fight another day. Am I wrong?
>>2564061Damned by his people if he doesn't allow them to leave.
Damned by his people if he allows them to leave.
this might be the straw that broke the camel's back.
>>2564033>I got called a bot for pointing this out 1-2 years ago on my country's subredditdid you get banned? usually pointing these realities in the natosphere gets you banned on sight.
>>2564153>did you get banned? usually pointing these realities in the natosphere gets you banned on sight.I got temporary bans multiple times, culminating in a permanent ban
picrel got some prime rage for pointing out the number of nurses we could fund full time for a year for the price of the pictured equipment
pork!Zelensky is saying "give me your welfare"
>>2564159It’s a real shame how quickly the tradition of neutrality fell to not even being able to question support during a conflict, F.
>>2564268yeah and our hospital system is fucking collapsing and Porky can just blame immigrants, not the 20% or so of the state budget that goes into war
fuck it man. after years of not giving in maybe i should just become a zigga. i genuinely despise the US now more than i ever have and i think half the population of the US should just be fucking culled outright. the Russian military and Kremlin is still brutish and soulless but it's not anything compared to the absolute travesty of an empire the US is.
>>2564159it's interesting that
until the last Ukrainian wasn't taken seriously. now, the decries for an European militarization should also hint what's next after the
last one of them dies.
>>2564409lmao, probably Ukrainian ones. just like Nord Stream (actually, the CIA). that he didn't get the memo it's interesting, it's a shame these things don't burn the political careers in Europe, like in Germany with the NS (and now Poland).
>>2564380absolute meowfacist.
>>2564409lmao. the fact that they have Tusk as their PM never stops being funny.
>>2564455it was a popular russian meme in 2014. "thanks to you I'm no longer a kyt, but a cat".
it has become reality.
>>2564415Yeah at this point it seems like attitude towards funding Ukraine at any cost, is that it would be a moral failing to not facilitate the apparent desire of Ukrainians to fight to the last of themselves.
Almost as though it's gallantly fulfilling their dying wish.. that wish apparently being to die.
>>2564409>we don't know who did it, but it was Russiansjust like Nord Stream, huh?
>>2563811Giving Ukraine Russia's assets just seems like giving Russia its assets back with extra steps.
>>2564153>Damned by his people if he doesn't allow them to leave.Damned by his people if he allows them to leave.
Seems like there is zero overlap between those two "his people". It's what presages that your "people" are about to become a Thunderdome.
Agent Z just bought from france 100 rafale jets that dont exist with money that he doesnt have
I love this kind of dealings
Goncharenko attacking zelya, again.
>>2564529and get the best parts:
it's an
>'intention to buy' agreement>a 10 year plan.>>2563811>because they’ve still not made a decision on stealing Russian assetsthey are in the process. fourth pic.
>>2564521Russia has around the same valued assets from Europe frozen (source: European officers, Belgium) that Europe has.
what many fail to understand is, the assets that Europe has frozen are part of bilateral treaties where Russia and some European countries agreed to invest in mutual proportion.
so whatever Europe decides to liquidates, goes in the same direction.
the only difference is that the EU credibility as a strategic partner is lost forever.
I mean, if I were president from any country I wouldn't invest one dime outside my country.
Pidors are transwinning
>>2564516Will Xi and Cucktin ever not live rent free in their heads?
>>2564529He should start an AI company
>>2564268There was never a tradition of neutrality; in fact, if not for Stalin beating Finns' heads in during the "Winter War", Sweden was likely to join with Finland and Norway in a Northern Alliance - targeting USSR alongside Axis. Sweden sent the most volunteers and equipment to Finland out of any country during those 3 months of war
>>2564801yeah we essentially empties our weapon stores. another interesting comparison is the Spanish civil war. the socdems forbade Swedes from traveling to Spain to help the republicans. but when reactionary Lapua Finns wanted guns they got them
>>2564801all the neutral countries were involved in NATO's Operation Gladio. even Switzerland had a stay behind network. Neutralitry was a fig leaf.
>>2564409Poland claims the perpetrators were Ukrainians, acting on behalf of Russia, using American C4 explosives, now having fled to Belarus. And people say Russia are chuds and don’t do diversity.
Another claim is that the perps apparently left a smartphone attached to a power bank at the scene, recording the railway..
>>2564872West also did an arms embargo on Spin but continued to arm the fascists, meaning in practice they were actively strangling the revolution.
Are russiofaggots going to help Venezuela, or no?
>>2564958Are yankoids going to do anything to prevent their government from attacking Venezuela? Surely it’s more their responsibility than anyone else.
Like come on Americans, Trump is trying to take away your treats!
Russian discounts on oil are above $20 again.
Ziggernomics.
>>2564960it's so deceiving from ultras to accuse other countries of inaction, while living, paying taxes, and contributing to the specific force that executes the most heinous atrocities known in the human history.
look at ali abunimah, living in Europe, giving these lectures about the most recent UNSC vote (that the US already said during biden's presidency that it's not binding, so even if blocked the US would do whatever) and one could see it's the most transparent act of ridiculous radlibery ultraism.
>>2564958You have to understand, Russia is an anti-imperialist state, but that anti-imperialism is not material anti-imperialism. Its more of an abstract, spiritual anti-imperialism.
>>2565034yeah, it's easy to accuse other of not doing enough living in the place where horrors happen. in words of Malcolm X, it's the house negro fustigating the plantation negros for not freeing him up.
>>2565032What’s your point here, that Russia are “fake anti-imperialists” because they don’t do the job of Americans who are currently crying on leftypol about Third Worldists wanting them to staaaaarve every day?
It has always been said that it’s the circumstances of the SMO that are anti-imperialist, rather than claiming that Russia is Che Guevara but in state form.
>>2564958Yes because otherwise oil prices will go down and that fucks up Russia
>>2565031He's right though
An assassination attempt on Russian National Security Council Secretary Sergey Shoigu was foiled at the Troyekurov Cemetery in Moscow.
🔸The perpetrators tried to detonate an explosive device during Shoigu’s visit to his relatives’ graves.
🔸All suspects (from Central Asia and Ukraine) were arrested, and their plot was thwarted.🇷🇺💪
>NAFO accounts sounding the alarm about frontline collapse
>even that Perpetpetetptua guy who has recorded fifty gorillion Russian vehicle losses is freaking out
</ukraine/ is completely silent
i've never seen NAFO guys freak out this much before yet i'm not seeing any bait posts here yet. does Anglo Z have anything to say about their failed theory of "ermm ackshually when people disagree with me ITT it's because theyre NAFO raiders" hmm??
>>2565305Obviously they're not here while they're confused, panicking and asking each other what's going on, once a consensus has been reached on how Ukraine ackhusally is still humiliating Russia you can be sure they'll spend at least a couple of days relentlessly trying to astroturf the new narrative.
>>2565140>oil prices will go down and that fucks up RussiaIsnt this backwards at least on the short term during conflict phase? Less crude oil on the world market if/when Americans start invading Venezuela.
>>2564958>Are russiofaggots going to help VenezuelaRussia didnt help Armenia or Syria as its entire military is stuck in Ukraine.
>>2565305>the fucktards are homegrownA disturbing thought, no?
>>2565331Not really. Leftists simping for far right imperialist dictatorships is more disturbing.
>>2565351yeah, leftist simping for far right imperialist dictatorships like ukraine is quite disturbing
>>2565351If you treat Marxism as a religion, and especially one with Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura approach to establishing communism, I suppose it is, Christcuck.
>>2565146Neither China nor Russia are anyone's scapegoats.
Hey, fam, I called my Russian handler today and begged him to force the Kremlin to let this corruption implosion play out in Ukraine (looks like Umerov may be on the firing block now) and not to give the Zelensky government the cover of another negotiation track. I'm nervous whenever I see Peskov's rat face.
>>2565429It's not mentioned nearly enough but.. Ukraine is a really bizarre place.
The only other Ukrainian tv show I've seen was a hidden camera show where one gag is just women having their tits out in public. But like, not in any clever way, it was forced situations like having a bathtub with a naked woman pretending to bathe in the middle of a shopping centre and it wasn't censored for TV at all, which is.. sensible if you've banned porn production? I guess?
>>2565441EU5 has actual pops. You
have to care about not wasting them. If it's just a Manpower counter that goes up no matter, who gives a shit?
>>2565429I want the catharsis of being able to ridicule all the Ukro apologists when Zelensky himself is popped for corruption, which means it's probably not gonna happen. I never get anything I want in this conflict.
>>2565446>catharsis>from ridiculeIt will never come. The slime will disappear into the shadows, or pretend to not know you.
>Seversk status?
>Pokrovsk status?
>Guliapolyay status?
>Kupyansk status?
>Lyman status?
>etc status?
Is someone keeping an eye on the stalematebros to ensure they ok?
>>2565510one wonders how ookraine will ever pay for all those weapons. is there even enough resources in the western parts to satisfy EU's ghouls?
>>2565351It's not disturbing. It's hilarious.
All their pretend principles go up in flames as ziggers ITT slobber on Russia's fascist boot
>>2565311>Zigger theory of economics Like I said, this thread is hilarious
>if price go down, supply is down!!!
Luhhmao Zedong
>>2565567Nafoid economic is even better:
>Russian economy would have collapsed if not for the war. Now only the war sustains it and Putin can't stop the war. it's still going to collapse anyway.<All of this war spending in the west is actually great and economically productive because muh jobs. Why are you complaining? >>2565533Ukraine wants the west to steal the frozen russian assets and give it to ukraine to pay the west for weapons etc.
This has proved to be a problem because some in the west don't want to do that because it will damage their credibility as a place to put money, and because western banks and companies have assets in russia and china that could be counter-seized.
Last i heard, most of the assets are in Euroclear and they have assets in China, so if Euroclear lets the nafos steal the Russian assets, Russia will sue Euroclear in China and China will seize their assets to pay Russia for the damages.
Possible other scenarios too, but it's apparently not so easy to just steal the russian assets the way they want.
>>2565416he's losing it, he's losing it lmao.
>>2565510is that regarding the 10 years 'buying intention' weapons agreement with France?
>>2565441In 1350 they were calling themselves Russians, and were called Ruthenians by Europe. Also, funny how they've made Smolenskian culture Belarusian language
>>2565593Seizing Russian assets without Russian consent will just amount to printing money, they specifically need consensual Russian reparations to avoid economic damage
>>2565821Putin is weaponizing rats, just like the chinks did with the black plague.
>>2565823>chinksTime to go back.
>>2565814>when radar detectsSo they keep radars on all the time?
This is an interimperialist war.
>>2565814this looks like another silly wunderwaffen.
>drone wallagainst what? drones?
>flying minefieldso one explodes upon impact? the problem with this approach is that Russia usually launches a swarm of drones, and then almost at the same time the cruise and ballistic missiles arrive with the swarm. so drones work as a sacrifice material.
>AI continuously reshapes the drone formation based on targets’ flight pathsPF silly shit. I can see these drones flying into a house because the AI thought it would be a great idea to use a family dorm as the cornerstone of a great defensive wall.
>allows the system to operate even under GPS jamming using a preloaded 3D map.this has the flaw that no tree grow, no new constructions happen, and the surveyors registered even the cable lines.
>The system has shown 100% effectiveness in testingin testing against what?
>>2565971define imperialism faggot
>>2565814<AI continuously reshapes the drone formation based on targets’ flight paths and allows the system to operate even under GPS jamming using a preloaded 3D map.???sp how'd they k ow where they are? Thir own location on the map???
If it were so simple we wouldn't need GPS…
>>2565974Le highest stage of capitalism
>>2565977not a definition. FAIL
>>2565973Tested and 100% effective in funneling a lot of tax money into MIC porky pockets
what's wrong with czechs? are they still seething so much about 1968? why don't hungarians seethe as much?
>>2566008Czechs were more industrialised pre-WW2 thus they have a narrative that Skoda would have instead bought Volkswagen if it wasn’t for Communism
Sounds like it’s getting rowdy in the Rada, ministers are getting sacked, defections to opposition parties, rumours that Yermak is about to be replaced, etc
>>2566070never reply back to mcburger that ukrainian milbloggers beg that ukraine can get one corrupt jailed, to at least start to getting close to Russia.
>>2565814They are not actually flying when idle though, so the "flying minefield" is just marketing slop. If minefiled in the same way a AA-interceptor battery is a minefield. They probably are not even that distributed since they need charging to be ready at all times.
I doubt it's effectiveness, but if it does work would we start to get gps jammers and even small defensive turrets in russian drones?
>>2566070he's right in a way, merely by the fact of corruption being illegal ukraine has more organised anti-corruption in theory than the USA, which famously legalised and encourages briberies and so on.
some outlines on the recent Witkoff deal
— Ukr army 2.5 x reduction. Only Ukr army. Note: not 2x as speculated
— No foreign troops in Ukraine
— No foreign diplomatic planes in Ukraine
— Ban on long range weapons that can reach ST P, Moscow
>>2566128The "cost effective" is what I'm worried about when it comes to western weapons systems.
The ICP is predicting that this war isn't going to end in some kind of peace deal but it's going to expand into WW3
17:56 GMT
Ukraine is bound to end up with an “interim government” that will strike a peace deal with Russia to end the hostilities, Ukrainian MP Anna Skorokhod has said, speaking to a Ukrainian YouTube channel. Demands that Zelensky’s top aide Yermak be fired are about the survival and “self-preservation” of the Ukrainian leader, she suggested.
“We’ll have an interim government, “anti-crisis,” “anti-corruption,” call it whatever you like, a government for several months that will ready the country for elections, conclude negotiations, and sign a peace agreement,” Skorokhod has stated.
I don't care about this world anymore. Just launch the nukes already. Cleanse this planet in hellfire.
>>2566236It's hard to see either happening, but nato seems more inclined towards expansion than peace tbh.
>>2566274Russians cut the supply road to the west so Siversk is brown bread.
Be honest, has anyone here followed this conflict since day 1? I was scared shitless for the first month or so, thinking WW3 just started, but nowadays I check in once every couple months to see that Russia captured another dozen towns nobody has ever heard of and was bombed to rubble a year ago, ultimately moving the frontline 1km at most.
>>2566390my lib friend keeps up to date on it. RuZZia is going to collapse any second now!
>>2566390>Be honest, has anyone here followed this conflict since day 1?I have been, yeah. The anxiety has dulled somewhat, but I don't think I'll be resting easy until it's all said and done.
>>2566390>day 1Make it… day -30.
>>2566286The ultimate expression of narcissism.
>>2566274lyman too and myrnohrad
zap and karkiv open bc rotate to pokravsk
>>2566390i made a point to after all the bullshit in syria
>>2566539Why has it dulled? In the beginning there was the possibility of some kind of resolution, now with both sides not backing down ever I don't see a resolution besides complete escalation
>>2566655With what? France can't even move troops into Romania on time.
>>2566274>>2566659They don't seem to be holding it as fiercely as
Bakhmut Artyomovsk, despite being the
other well fortified city in front of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk.
>>25666622023 Ukraine was way stronger than 2025 Ukraine
>>2566655its basically been the same since mariupol. it seemed like things might end after the siege but then they just did it again in soledar and so by the time bakhmut rolled around everyone was just resigned to indefinite meatgrinderism and set in for the long haul pretty much nothing has changed except western escalation dragging out the inevitable by a few months at each speedbump. i basically only keep up to date so that i can watch things like the bucha hoax in real time and dont have to rely on after the fact reporting like with gas attacks and white helmets
>>2566672So we won't be hearing any news about a conscript lasting only 4 hours, and all the corpses being evacuated.
>>2566655It seems like the US is shifting attention to other strategic priorities. If nato was going to escalate in a way serious enough to matter I feel like they'd have done it by now. At this point I don't think they could, even if they wanted to, for reasons elaborated upon at length in previous threads.
Nato can't stop Russia with anything short of a nuclear exchange, which might as well be cutting both their throats. I hear the French FL has been deployed to Poland, but imo that seems more like to serve as a means of mopping up any retreating Ukrainians rather than any intention of rushing to save Kiev.
Oh well. Maybe they'll have better luck with Kazakhstan.
>>2566655>>2566695>Exclusive: Trump's Special Envoy for Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, told associates he plans to leave the administration in January, four sources told Reuters, a departure that would mean the loss of a key advocate for Ukraine in the Trump administrationhttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trumps-ukraine-envoy-kellogg-leave-post-january-sources-say-2025-11-19/I don't think we're heading for more escalation. Ukraine is collapsing now though it may take a while, and the Ukraine hawks are leaving the sinking ship. Europe might try to do something stupid but it doesn't seem like there's much they can do. The US seems like it's done with Ukraine.
Kellogg was the Ukraine hawk in the Trump admin. It was his "peace plan" Trump has been trying to follow this whole time but it's obvious it just won't work. I think they're done. Russia has won, just a matter of how long the collapse drags on.
>>2566713I tend to agree. Nato doesn't seem to have much left to escalate with.
>>2566390>this conflict since day 1since 2013, when the EU started to screech about
muh freedoms in Ukraine, because Yanukovich, which is not a "Russia lover" as the maidaners painted him, was very wary on how would affect economically Ukraine joining the EU.
>>2566243oof. even she's kicked out of the party, and then from the Rada.
>The comic "Platoon" is based on an original work by a former Self-Defense Forces officer and Akutagawa Prize-winning author, and has become a hot topic for its realistic depictions of the battlefield.
>…The Russian army landed on the northeastern coast of Hokkaido without declaring war and began advancing inland.
>The Self-Defense Forces, in response, strengthened their defensive posture, and the two armies clashed on the outskirts of Kushiro.
>Lieutenant Adachi, who led the platoon, also fought bravely, but was overwhelmed by the Russian forces, which outnumbered him, and his unit was annihilated.
>Having escaped from the deadly situation, Adachi was about to join the 10th Division in Obihiro with the surviving Sergeant Kimura.
>However, a new "enemy" stands in their way… A fierce urban battle unfolds with the Wagner Corps, a Russian mercenary unit.
>>2566804Oh boy, just what we need, more jsdf wank manga.
>>2566804Anecdotally, my JP mom is absolutely convinced that Russia and DPRK are plotting to invade Hokkaido any second now, and I'm sure she gets that from JP media. Its really bleak.
How is the US and EU meaningfully weaker as a result of this war? NATO is bigger and the EU countries are spending more on defence.
This is a pro imperialism war because it has made the imperialist powers stronger.
>>2566824Nice shell production, buddy.
>>2566824https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/sep/28.htm>The German and the Austrian Social-Democrats are attempting to justify their support for the war by arguing that they are thereby fighting against Russian tsarism. We Russian Social-Democrats declare that we consider such justification sheer sophistry. In our country the revolutionary movement against tsarism has again assumed tremendous proportions during the past few years. This movement has always been headed by the working class of Russia. The political strikes of the last few years, which have involved millions of workers, have had as their slogan the overthrow of tsarism and the establishment of a democratic republic. During his visit to Nicholas II on the very eve of the war, Poincaré, President of the French Republic, could see for himself, in the streets of St. Petersburg, barricades put up by Russian workers. The Russian proletariat has not flinched from any sacrifice to rid humanity of the disgrace of the tsarist monarchy. We must, however, say that if there is anything that, under certain conditions, can delay the downfall of tsarism, anything that can help tsarism in its struggle against the whole of Russia’s democracy, then that is the present war, which has placed the purses of the British, the French and the Russian bourgeois at the disposal of tsarism, to further the latter’s reactionary aims. If there is anything that can hinder the revolutionary struggle of the Russia’s working class against tsarism, then that is the behaviour of the German and the Austrian Social-Democratic leaders, which the chauvinist press of Russia is continually holding up to us as an example. >>2566824>how is daddy weaker, hmmmm?NATO had stockpiles of weapons and now they're gone. they can try to spend more but they can't afford it and it won't work. There has been an economic cost and a reputation cost among the population. NATO's people don't like their leaders and are not interested in fighting their wars. And NATO is in the process of losing its largest and most formidable European army, which it can't replace.
Moreover, they were defeated by Russia and the world has seen them be defeated.
NATO is a shadow of what it was (or what people thought it was) before 2022 and its prospects of eastward expansion are now basically over.
>>2566824If Ukraine loses how can NATO expect to take on Russia? Even if they can solve their equipment and cost woes they don't have the manpower, at the rate men are dying in Ukraine they wouldn't last a month.
>>2566841When was NATO ever going to invade a nuclear-armed state?
>>2566824This is an interimperialist war between EU and US
i remember a ukrainian who used to show up to 8/leftypol/ wonder how he's doing
>>2566845I think Iron Felix predicted that would happen in 2024 if Russia didn’t nuke the EU by the end of 2023
>>2566863well, a nato proxy did anyway (kursk)
>>2566824they have to gut social services/welfare to keep up with this shit. something will break, but it's going to take years
>>2566866>>2566915He didn’t say a proxy would invade, openly NATO would invade and, assuming a NATO invasion would be more successful than the inkurskion, that Russia would let Moscow fall without firing a single nuke.
2026 is upon us and NATO still has yet to outright steal Russian assets and discussions about sending a NATO detachment to Ukraine in some at-least-initially non-combat role have gone no where.
Iron Felix, and some within NATO no doubt, see the proxy war as testing the waters with whether an open war with Russia is possible without it going nuclear. But in this bottle of bubbly goodness’ opinion, if that was the plan then we’d haven been discussing the occupation of Kaliningrad all these years rather than a proxy conflict in Ukraine.
>>2566866>>2566863>>2566845The fundamental credibility of nuclear deterrence did still limit the size and scope of the Kursk push that counterfactually, could have marshalled its counteroffensyiiv reserves there instead of Zaporizhia. A military pantomine where both sides are in the know that the force must be credibly weak enough to be defeated conventionally so the actual nuclear option is not the rational resort.
This branches into a larger point that perhaps MAD has permanently ended the true potential of war as a tool of capital destruction to delay the crisis of profit. No crisis large enough to justify state capacity marshalling bourgeois surplus; destroying old capital and pruning inefficient allocation can ever happen again. Instead this only occurs to a degree in periphery states under siege conditions and not at all in the core; whose rentier interest now hijack war economy spending towards their own financialised engines rather than output maximisation. Plus with unmotivated political economy the transfer of surplus to fuel war spending comes not from coercive limitations on profit margins but what remains of the welfare state.
>>2566945But there are a LOT of countries that still dont have nukes. And conflicts between nuke having countries are still possible (India Pakistan). Potentially the US might start a war over Taiwan and it probably won't involve nukes (hopefully).
Nukes are deterrence to actual wars, but the destructive war you mentioned where capital needs to solve overproduction is not a "real" war. It's a simulated war whose purpose is destruction. So it's possible the ruling class of both sides agree to start a fake war for the purpose of destruction.
This is also where AI comes in I think. The destruction of capital no longer needs to involve humans as well. You just mass produce drones and robots and send them to be destroyed. It does the same job of destroying capital without human losses, makes it easier to sell such a war.
>>2566945Good post. I definitely believe that Ukraine's plan was unironically to capture the Kursk NPP and use the threat of some kind of nuclear disaster as a deterrent in lieu of actual nuclear weapons, whether it completely failed at achieving that organically or because NATO was rightfully concerned that would be too close to themselves giving Ukraine a nuclear capability based on German Tanks In Kursk Again we'll never know.
But it is a somewhat interesting facet of proxy warfare, a radically unstable state charging headlong towards a Russian nuclear power plant to then threaten a disaster unless demands are met (that coincidentally benefit NATO primarily) is no doubt a dream scenario for the Victoria Nulands of the West, but because support for Ukraine has been massive and open rather than covert, that has surely limited Kiev's usefulness as a proxy to do things that would be impossible (due to MAD) for a NATO military anyway. Proxies are at their best for the Jakarta Method with plausible deniability for genocidal or otherwise illegal acts, Ukraine falls into a weird situation for a proxy where there's kind of the expectation that they ought to conduct themselves as a genuine NATO military fighting a war in civilised Europe rather than just Contras disappearing millions in a country that probably didn't even have birth certificates at the time, but they don't get the US Nuclear Umbrella deterrent of a genuine NATO military.
So yes it results via technicalities in NATO being able to get away with driving a Leopard tank slightly over the Russian border or firing ATACMS at the Russian military in Donbass, but that's really the limit of it. NATO are otherwise working under the same limitations as if this was an unfortunate, circumstantial breakout of hostilities between NATO and Russia that they don't want to lose but also want to keep contained. But in that case, why bother with an intentional proxy conflict at all if it has to be fought like an undesirable and risky conflict?
>>2566904The rich getting pampered and worker's rights getting axed is the norm under bourgeois rule, they don't need a supposed threat from outside to do it. The bourgeoisie needs a real threat from the outside (such as a strong and massively armed up AES USSR right next to it) in order to allow the proletariat basic socdem "eurocommunism". The current major assault is just a continuation of the SPD/Green agenda during the early '00s when Berlin, Paris and Brussels were on good terms with neolib RU/Putin. In the 3rd round CDU, SPD and AfD will complete undoing everything that we achieved since the 1880s in terms of worker's rights and social welfare, in fact they're almost there.
>>2566981yeah I'm just waiting for The Swedish Model to be completely dismantled. that will likely bring back the militant workers' movement which the Saltsjöbaden Agreement essentially killed in 1938
>>2566904> but it's going to take yearswe have to be honest about this because theres too many multipolar youtubers going around with clickbait titles like ITS OVER
>>2567001It is over, but it will take time for people to either accept that SocDem’ism isn’t coming back or it’s no longer in living memory
Le interimperialist conflict
>>2567127Nick Fuentes announced a union of far right and far left based on anti-immigration, anti-Zionism and social democracy. I wouldn't count it out yet.
Le declining rate of profit is overrated. Have you seen Nvidias profits? There's enough profit left for decades of social democracy.
>>2566863>Iron FelixThat's a name I haven't heard in a while. Does he still pop up in this thread? I remember when he had to bust on a photo of Putin
>>2567493that's a weird complaint though, what is russia supposed to do about gusanos in israel? remotely activate their self-destruct KGB chips?
the fact that russia trades with the entity is actually damning
>>2566936If the SMO didn't decimate the Ukrainian military, the Kursk operation could have seized perhaps the entire Oblast. The SMO potentially saved millions of Russians from Ukrainian fascist occupation.
Ukraine's sovereignty will be affirmed.
A full and comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine, and Europe. All ambiguities of the past 30 years will be considered resolved.
Russia is expected not to invade neighboring countries, and NATO will not expand further.
A dialogue between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, will be held to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.
Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.
The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.
Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its charters a provision stating that it will not accept Ukraine under any circumstances in the future.
NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.
European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland. US Guarantee:
a. The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.
b. If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.
c. If Russia invades Ukraine, except for a decisive, coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, and recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this agreement will be revoked.
d. If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed null and void.
Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is under consideration.
A robust global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including, but not limited to:
a. Establishment of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in high-growth industries, including technology, data centers, and artificial intelligence.
b. The US will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly restore, develop, modernize, and operate Ukraine's gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.
c. Joint efforts to rebuild war-torn territories and reconstruct and modernize cities and residential areas.
d. Infrastructure development.
e. Mining and natural resource extraction.
f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.
Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:
a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.
b. The United States will conclude a long-term economic cooperation agreement to promote mutual development in energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers, rare earth metal mining projects in the Arctic, and other joint corporate opportunities.
c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.
The frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion of frozen Russian assets will be invested by the United States in reconstruction and investment in Ukraine. The United States will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to this to increase investment available for Ukraine's reconstruction. Frozen European assets will be unfrozen. The remaining frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russia investment vehicle, which will implement joint US-Russian projects in areas determined by the parties to be promising and aimed at strengthening trust and enhancing common interests in order to promote development and the future world order.
A joint US-Russia working group on security issues will be established to support and ensure the implementation of all provisions of this agreement.
Russia will enshrine in law its non-aggression policy against Europe and Ukraine.
The United States and Russia will agree to extend the nuclear non-proliferation and arms control treaties, including START I.
Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under IAEA supervision, with electricity production split 50/50 between Russia and Ukraine.
Both countries commit to implementing educational programs in schools and communities that promote understanding and tolerance of different cultures and reduce racism and prejudice.
a. Ukraine will adopt EU laws to protect linguistic minorities.
b. Both countries commit to taking measures to minimize escalation against the population, including working with Russian and Ukrainian media to reduce concerns and build trust.
Territories:
a. Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk will be de facto recognized as Russian, including by the United States.
b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen at the line of contact, which will constitute de facto recognition at the line of contact.
c. Russia will withdraw from other agreed-upon territories it controls outside the five regions.
d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the portion of Donetsk Oblast they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory not belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone.
Following the agreement on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of these obligations.
apparently this is the Drumpf Peace Offer
>>2567691>Ukraine is eligible for EU membership If Cuckin agrees I swear…
>>2567707that's not a bad thing
the EU will collapse in a fortnight if it accepts the corruption black hole that is the ukraine
>>2567707not a single EU country wants Ukraine in EU. Every butthurt belter country except maybe like finland is in the net gainers for EU money. They would have to compete for gibs with Ukraine that would need massive amounts of gibs for being a failed state. Also everybody else would have to pay more.
It's all about the meme that if EU is expanding then it's winning and also about the stupid one liner "Russia does not hold veto power over EU/Nato membership". This plan draft won't pass, Ukraine alone will make sure of that. It's humiliating to Russia and quite obviously made as an compromise between different US deepstate factions, motivated onlt by the fear that Ukraine will break very soon, not an agreement between US and Russia.
>>2567691>The frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion of frozen Russian assets will be invested by the United StatesDo these people understand how private property works?
>>2567691Straight up capitulation for Ukraine. Will Europe and Ukraine reject it? Depends on if they have the ability to
>>2567777why is it getting taken by the US and invested in ukraine? if its russian assets? but the EU is allowed to get its frozen russian assets back no problem.
did it get stolen already? in a deal both parties have to get a little bit of something, but there is nothing for russia here.
Reminders
1. Primary practitioners of "Idealism" is geopolitics are liberals.
2. Weltpolitik led to WW1, and Willy was a twat.
3. Woodrow Wilson was a dipshit, too.
4. It's why communists keep getting taken advantage of by opportunists, (Mugabe, Shicai, MPLA), and suffer no consequences for it.
>>2567691It's designed to not be accepted by anyone involved.
>>2567707EU membership wasn't never an issue.
https://gordonhahn.substack.com/p/kiev-coup-poker-update
>Beleaguered Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelenskiy is still on the road, having arrived in Turkey, where he had a meet and greet with of all people Mindichgate-incriminated Head of the Defense and Security Council of Ukraine Rustem Umerov supposedly to restart peace talks with Moscow. Umerov has recently been heard on the Mindichgate tapes discussing a corrupt deal on bulletproof vests. Zelenskiy needs the support of the military, but Umerov did not and certainly will not have now command or authority inside the military. That is the domain of Ukraine’s most popular political figure, Kiev’s ambassador to the UK, and former commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (UAF) Gen. Valeriy Zaluzhniy, fired by Zelenskiy last year.
>Head of Zelenskiy’s Office of the President (OP) Andriy Yermak was reportedly in Washington speaking with the FBI, which has a hand in the opening of Mindichgate. He reportedly is now in London, where he is likely to meet with Zaluzhniy and British governmental figues, such as MI6’s new Ukrainian-British director (https://gordonhahn.substack.com/p/is-the-uk-readying-a-coup-option). With Zaluzhniy and the FBI, Yermak’s hand in the developing pre-coup or coup crisis is stronger than that of Zelenskiy, who is potentially isolated in Turkey with Umerov, a wholly unpopular figure in Ukraine and an ethnic Tatar to boot.
>But the army is no longer Zaluzhniy’s to have without a fight. It is also the feifdom of the neofascists such as Azov and its founder Brig. Gen, Andriy Biletskiy, who heads a 20,000-strong Azov army corps as well as other Azov-dominated units.
>There are also reports that the Secretary of the U.S. Army Dab Driscoll and Army Chief of Staff Randy George are in Kiev and are then scheduled to head to Moscow! They may be in Kiev to deliver an ultimatum to Zelenskiy in the form of the reported new U.S.-Russian peace plan he will be required to sign or face the consequences (arrest, removal from office by impeachment or coup, assassination), perhaps explaining why Zelenskiy remains away in Istanbul. However, this may prove a fatal mistake, as he has left door open to machinations.
>Tonight Kiev stands empty without its president, presidential chief of staff, defense minister, energy minister, and perhaps who knows who else. Last night, Energy Minister Svetlana Grinchuk, who is implicated in Mindichgate, fled Ukraine, joining a full cohort of Kievan wanderers - Zelenskiy, Yermak, Umerov, Mindich himself, and his sidekick Tsukerman. They are going faster than American politicians to Epstein island. Ruslan Stefanchuk, the speaker of the badly splintered Rada, rocked by Mindichgate, and head of the Cabinet of Ministers, Yuliya Svyrydenko, in her post for less than a year remain if talking about civilian leaders. Military Intelligence (HRU) chief Kyryll Budanov, a creature of the CIA remains, as presumably do at least some members of the UAF’s General Staff, including its chair Mikhail Gnatov, who just a week ago asserted military over civilian authority to Zelenskiy’s face.
>This would be an excellent time for some of these figures, who remain in Kiev, to author a coup, it would seem, perhaps with the backing of those U.S. Army officials in town. It probably will not happen tonight, but who knows? Maybe tomorrow night, when Zelenskiy and Umerov can be arrested, as some official sources say they will be doing. At present a coup to replace Zelenskiy gives everyone among the present moment’s main players something of what they want. Zelenskiy remains a free (if likely hunted) man. The West’s Project Ukraine is rid of him and can be moved to its next course of action within the framework of American (and Russian) demands and ultimata. Russia achieves its special military operation’s goals at least for now. (Neofascist or others’ countercoups can turn over the chessboard and bring real chaos ala Ukraine’s 17th century Great Ruin or 1917-1920). At any rate, as an old American saying goes: “Get while the getting is good.” https://korybko.substack.com/p/ukraines-corruption-scandal-might
>He’s Zelensky’s powerbroker so his downfall could undo the already shaky alliance between the armed forces, the oligarchs, the secret police, and parliament that keeps Zelensky in power, thus pressuring him into peace, especially if his warmongering grey cardinal is no longer pushing him to keep fighting.
>It was earlier assessed here that Ukraine’s $100 million energy graft scandal might only result in a cabinet reshuffle at most, the sentiment of which RT chief Margarita Simonyan shared when writing on X “But we all know it won’t” in response to The Spectator predicting that it might bring Zelensky down. The events of the past week warrant a re-evaluation after members of the ruling party demanded the resignation of his powerful Chief of Staff Andrey Yermak on the grounds that he knew about this racket.
>This coincided with Axios’ report that the US and Russia have been secretly working on a framework agreement for ending the Ukrainian Conflict, which Politico then reported could be agreed to “by the end of this month — and possibly ‘as soon as this week.’” The latter’s source also allegedly told them that “We don’t really care about the Europeans. It’s about Ukraine accepting”, which they said it might very well do since the plan will essentially “be presented to Zelensky as a fait accompli.”
>Politico’s reporter elaborated that “They feel that Ukraine is in the position right now, given the corruption scandals that have been plaguing Zelenskyy, given where the battle lines are at this moment, that Ukraine is in a position where … they feel they can get them to accept this deal.” Accordingly, it can be reassessed that this corruption scandal championed by the US-backed “National Anti-Corruption Bureau” might facilitate an end an end to the conflict, especially if Yermak goes down as a result.
>He’s considered to be Zelensky’s powerbroker so his downfall could undo the already shaky alliance between the armed forces, the oligarchs, the secret police, and parliament that keeps Zelensky in power. Zelensky’s imprisoned former ally Igor Kolomoysky claimed that Timur Mindich, Zelensky’s longtime business partner at the center of this scandal who fled the country to avoid imminent arrest after being tipped off, is “a classic fall guy.” This suggests that Yermak might be the one who managed everything.
>Extrapolating upon this hypothesis, that would explain why the EU is downplaying this corruption scandal, spinning it as supposed proof that Ukraine’s state institutions are working properly, and actively trying to counter the spread of facts in relation to it. Yermak is Zelensky’s grey cardinal and suspected of being the reason why the Ukrainian leader continually rejects peace. If he goes down as a result of this scandal, then peace might finally be possible. He could also take down his European partners too.
>After all, some of their officials might have been profiting from this graft scandal or others that he’s possibly involved in, while their intelligence services must have known about the scale of this corruption. If Yermak vindictively spills the beans, provided of course that Zelensky turns on him under pressure from the ruling party (which might be supported by the US as part of a campaign to get him to agree to whatever peace deal that they soon present), then it could lead to political scandals all across Europe.
>With this latest insight in mind, it can therefore be assessed that Ukraine’s corruption scandal might pressure Zelensky into a peace deal, but only if the aforesaid sequence of events unfolds. The speed with which everything has thus far unfolded, especially with respect to his ruling party turning against Yermak and the latest reports about the US and Russia secretly working on a framework agreement for ending the conflict, makes this a credible scenario. Everything will certainly be clearer by the end of the month. >>2568003yeah it wasn't, but now it has become an issue for Russia since EU is exceedingly just a another nato or overtly behaving as an extension of it.
>>2568127Tbh at this point the Ukraine as it is is a pretty big poison pill so it might as well let the EU swallow it.
>>2568003EU has a military dimension to it.
>>2567707The reality is the EU will never let ukraine in the club as their agricultural industry is a poison pill for the rest of europes competitiveness. imagine the farmer outrage
>>2568161Weren't polish farmers in a snit about Ukrainian wheat just recently
>>2568136true, at least regarding the lands in the west.
>>2568178idk about recently but yeah they blockaded the border to stop imports and now there's bans on ukrainian wheat in slovakia hungary and poland
>>2568193whats wrong with western ukraine?
>>2568224It's a hotbed of banderite support and ardent nazis.
Here's the blomp peace plan (reportedly). Two questions:
1. If Russia accepts this, will Ukraine accept (under US pressure or otherwise)? If not, why not?
2. If Ukraine accepts this, will Russia? If not, why not?
>Trumps 28 point peace plan
1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.
2. A comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine, and Europe; all ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.
3. Russia will not invade neighboring countries, and NATO will not expand further.
4. A U.S.-mediated Russia–NATO dialogue will be launched to resolve security issues and promote cooperation.
5. Ukraine will receive “reliable security guarantees.”
6. Ukraine’s military will be capped at 600,000 personnel. (Current size: ~800–850k.)
7. Ukraine must enshrine permanent neutrality: it will never join NATO, and NATO will codify that.
8. NATO agrees not to station troops on Ukrainian territory.
9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.
10. The U.S. security guarantee comes with conditions:
– The U.S. receives compensation
– If Ukraine invades Russia, the guarantee is void
– If Russia invades Ukraine, sanctions snap back and recognition of territory is withdrawn
– If Ukraine fires a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg “without cause,” the guarantee is void
11. Ukraine becomes eligible for EU membership and receives temporary preferential access to EU markets.
12. A global reconstruction package is launched, including:
– A Ukraine Development Fund
– Joint U.S.–Ukraine energy projects
– Modernization of Ukrainian infrastructure
– Investment in mining and natural resources
– A World Bank financing package
13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:
– Gradual lifting of sanctions
– Long-term U.S.–Russia economic cooperation
– Joint ventures in AI, energy, infrastructure, rare earths, and Arctic extraction
– Russia rejoins the G8
14. Frozen Russian assets will be allocated as follows:
– $100B used to rebuild Ukraine (run by the U.S.)
– The U.S. receives 50% of profits from reconstruction investments
– Europe contributes another $100B
– Remaining frozen assets go into a U.S.–Russia joint investment vehicle to deepen economic ties
15. A joint U.S.–Russia security working group will monitor compliance.
16. Russia will codify in law a policy of non-aggression toward Europe and Ukraine.
17. The U.S. and Russia will extend nuclear arms-control treaties, including New START.
18. Ukraine reaffirms its non-nuclear status under the NPT.
19. The Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant will be operated under IAEA supervision, and electricity will be split 50/50 between Russia and Ukraine.
20. Education and social programs promoting multicultural tolerance will be mandated in both countries:
– Ukraine adopts EU standards for minority rights
– Both sides end discriminatory laws
– Equal media rights for Ukrainian and Russian outlets
– All Nazi ideology must be banned
Note: Very similar to provisions in Trump’s 2020 Israel–Palestine “Peace to Prosperity” plan.
21. Territorial arrangements:
– Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk are recognized as de facto Russian, including by the U.S.
– Parts of Kherson and Zaporozhye become frozen “contact line” zones (also de facto recognition)
– Russia gives up other agreed areas
– Ukraine withdraws from remaining parts of Donetsk; the zone becomes a Russian-recognized neutral buffer
– Russian forces cannot enter the buffer zone
22. Both sides agree not to alter future borders by force; security guarantees void if Ukraine violates this.
23. Russia guarantees Ukraine access to the Dnieper River and free Black Sea grain shipping.
24. A humanitarian committee is created to:
– Exchange all prisoners and bodies (“all for all”)
– Return detained civilians and children
– Implement family reunification
– Provide aid to victims of the conflict
25. Ukraine must hold national elections within 100 days of the agreement.
26. Full amnesty for all parties for all actions taken during the war: no prosecutions, no war-crimes claims.
27. The agreement will be legally binding and enforced by a Peace Council chaired by Donald J. Trump.
Note: This is the same governing structure Trump’s Gaza peace plan uses, a Trump-chaired oversight body empowered to impose sanctions.
28. A ceasefire begins as soon as both sides pull back to agreed positions.
>>2568230Also no resources there, less industrialized also.
Combined with the current demographic tailspin of Ukraine there won't be much inherent threat from such a rump Ukraine. Especially if Russia gets to the dniepre in the north also that will act as an barrier and will put a boot on the throat of Ukrainian economy. Bonus if Odessa becomes Russia too. In all cases Lviv and western Ukraine would still be a bitch to administer for Russia in the short to medium term. Next 50 years at least.
>>2568295Western Ukraine just isn't worth it. Honestly it was a mistake for the USSR to annex it, should've been an autonomous region of Poland.
>>2568325Western Ukraine was much more loyal to USSR than central Ukraine.
>>2568255>6. Ukraine’s military will be capped at 600,000 personnel. (Current size: ~800–850k.)I think Ukrainian military is only that large on paper. If peace comes it would in practice allow buildup. Also they had like sub 300k army before 2022 escalation. And what about conscripts? Would they be just allowed to stash millions of reservists that they could call up when the shooting starts again.
>>2568372600k is a cope figure. Russian demands, from that document presented by Russia from the negotiations, featured less than 100k.
>>2568255Seems just favorable enought to russia for them to take it.
Rejection would be spun as Russia rejecting peace on favorable demands = ebil warmongering.
how's it goin?
>>2568255EU will never accept this. This plan is to convince EU public to take up the war themselves so US can "pivot" elsewhere.
>>2568373Would make more sense. Is Ukrainian border guard part of AFU?
>>2568382Provided that it's even real. Also even if it is Ukraine won't accept it and I think neither will Russia. Russia has to give up too much while Ukraine is at a breaking point and in years time they can probably start thinking to just dictate terms.
>>2568389It's real, because Kelogg is getting the boot for exposing it.
Kelogg, being vehemently pro-Ukrainian, didn't like the consensus decision by the Trump office, and he bitched out by publishing it "anonymously". It's like a very common event for coalition governments, when minority opposition cannot swallow the results of democracy - easiest coming to mind example being socdems/trots sabotaging democratic centralism, that one time when they, also anonymously, gave interview to rightoid press about how Lenin is about to start a coup, they didn't like that so they broke the secrecy, necessary for coup's success, and told everyone about it, and for this reason the Revolution had to be postponed to catch the reactionaries unawares.
>>2568377>the west might call russia warmongeroh no
>>2568255>– The U.S. receives compensationYup, that's Trump, right there.
>>2568295this is trie but there is always a danger a rump ukraine around Lvov turns into a new idlib
>>2568382>EU will never accept thisIt looks like a fairly decent offer for both UA & RU, at least it might be a starting point for further negotiations. You definitely can't say Trump didn't try after this. For us EUropoors however it looks like another massive burden on top of the hundreds of billions cost for arming up not to mention an additional bunch of anti-communist butthurt belt fascists and reactoids getting to shape anti-worker politics in Brussels along the other EUrocrat fascists, reactoids and liberals if UA gets to join the EU. But then again in political practice UA already acts and gets treated like a highly privileged EU full member. EUrocrat liberals of course already yell "Kjjyiyiv can't in no way accept this!", as expected. They don't give a shit about us taxpayers though, NAFO wants to continue the attrition slaughter as long as possible as owning Cucktin and "decolonizing" RU is the most important thing for them. The EU MIC would probably not be happy about any final settlement either.
>>2568373The Ukraine won't be able to maintain 100k unless the oligarchs make donations.
>>2567278Nvidia is a borderline monopoly. TRoPF applies when there is market competition for commodity production. Monopolies also conflict with capitalism and liberal democracy because of seeking to control government to prevent competitors and through continuously rising prices instead of innovating.
Nvidia is particular is sucking up all the investment money that would in a "rational" system be going to industries that actually provide social value.
The West is going to get absolutely bodied by China in 10-20 years because they didn't invest in robotics.
>>2568522
LLMs are a joke and the theory for them is all in scientific papers. Robotics is an engineering problem. Same reason China can't just trivially shit out chips that compete with Nvidias latest. It's engineering and the hard parts are private.
>>2568528> Robotics is an engineering problem. Same reason China can't just trivially shit out chips that compete with Nvidias latest.Servos and lithography are also two different beasts. Also China isn't ahead in robotics, there best shit is a copy of the Boston Dynamics shit.
>>2568522>>2568528Also China is building the supply chains and automated factories that mean the West can't compete with them. Building cargo ships isn't high tech but China built a system to make them cheaper and in high numbers.
>>2568530It isn't about having the tech in a lab but putting it to real use and having the most efficient factories to build it. China is focusing on robotics because not only does that make them economically competitive know, but they'll need it as their population ages.
Meanwhile Western countries are having their housing, electricity, and water supplies all fucked up by an inability of their governments to regulate the market.
Will the cuck say yes? No collapse?
A Nazigger's best friend is fascist Amerikkka
Tells you all you need to know about "lefty"pol
>>2568530>lul Chinese can only copy westoid tech get real, demented westoid
Unitree offers the best right now plus there's a shitload of other manufacturers in China with similar capable production and supply lines. Kawasaki of Japan is up there, but BD and Musk are behind the competition.
>>2568534doesn't matter,
Volodymyr
Oleksandrovich
Zelensky firmly upholds THD
>>2568546Get some copium or other butthurt relief as you /k/oping nafoids are unable to accept reality if it's not in your favour. It makes you look really stupid while getting defeated, which does entertain me.
Vid related was on an international robotics exhibition in Japan.
>>2567800noooo take it to another level
<leaders>one post, one person<resistance leader.>a journoweak troll.
>>2568554these brainchild propagandists inventing new ghosts of kyivyivyiv. they don't get tired of goats, ass bandits, tomate pickle jars, and pensioners.
Zelensky is pressed against a wall and has to choose between humiliating loss of dignity or a loss of key military partner. Guess which route will Zelensky take :^) First lose key military partner, then suffer a humiliating loss of dignity
>Over the past two years, the number of Ukrainians agreeing to Russia's terms for ending the war has increased from 4% to 16%.
>This includes abandoning NATO membership, reducing the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and acknowledging the loss of territory.
>The number of Ukrainian refugees planning to return home has fallen from 78% to 40%.
>The Ministry of Community Development of Ukraine has approved the mandatory evacuation of children along with their parents or legal guardians from certain settlements in the Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye regions.
>The names of these settlements have not been specified.
>>2568670So, a just peace is the one that they cannot achieve in reality?
>>2568661>politician is boosted by tiktoks with nebulous alleged ties to Russia<interference! kremlin agent! ruzzian saboteur! this is extremely dangerous to our democracy>politician literally brands himself with a symbol of allegiance to a foreign country<*crickets*europedos are funny
>Almost all the men in Vilkovo, Odessa region, disappeared. This town has become a miniature Ukraine, according to The New York Times.
>Before the war, 8,000 people lived here. Now, barely 5,000.
>Vilkovo is located near the border with Romania and Moldova, but is surrounded by rivers and swamps.
>Many men managed to cross the border, while others died or were captured.
>Romania beckons and is visible just across the Danube, and Moldova is very close, making escape incredibly tempting, the newspaper writes.
>In October, the Ukrainian Armed Forces broke an all-time low: according to official data, 21,602 servicemen deserted their units without permission, reported drone company commander Igor Lutsenko.
>"Every two minutes, someone deserts our army. These are just the official figures. In reality, many cases of desertion and unauthorized withdrawal go unreported. An army in retreat is an army that can still win. A disintegrating army, which loses more and more men month after month to desertion and defections, is the real danger to Ukraine's existence," Lutsenko wrote.
>Starting November 2025, Ukrainian men of draft age who have not updated their information will be unable to use consular services abroad.
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>Another defendant in the "Mindich case," Pushkar, a member of the National Tariff Commission, fled Ukraine last night (November 11), according to MP Zheleznyak.
>From 2022 to 2025, Pushkar served as executive director for legal support at Energoatom. Previously, from 2010 to 2015, he held various positions at the State Property Fund of Ukraine.
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>Pavel Petrenko, a Ukrainian Armed Forces soldier involved in body evacuation, told a surprising story.
>In one case, a soldier's leg was evacuated, identified by DNA, and his parents buried the leg, thinking their son had died. However, some time later, he returned from captivity without his leg.
>Apparently, the Ukrainian was able to return home thanks to the humane treatment of the Russian doctors who nursed him back to health after his serious injury.
(vidrel #1)
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>Denmark approved a new $217 million military aid package for Ukraine (November 12).
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>Former Economy Minister Tymofey Milovanov announced his resignation from the Energoatom Supervisory Board following the Mindich scandal involving corruption in the energy sector.
>He stated that he had submitted an official request to convene an extraordinary meeting of the board, but his initiative was not supported.
[he was dismissed (first suspended and then removed by parliament) because he was implicated in a major anti-corruption probe into alleged kickbacks and procurement manipulation in the energy sector. a scheme investigators say involved roughly $100 million and contractors for state energy bodies such as Energoatom]
(#1 picrel)
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>Ukrainian MP Osadchuk claims that "there are no arguments to accuse Zelensky of corruption – he is systematically framed by ill-wishers."
(#2 vidrel)
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>In the Zaporozhye region, families of fallen Ukrainian soldiers were invited to the play "The Merry Widow."
(#2 and #3 picrel)
>>2568692The "desertion rates" is 100% how they mention the real casualties without officially admitting them
Imagine if the figures were true, that means there are tens or hundreds of thousands of armed deserters just walking around out there. Practically an entire army of its own, yet somehow they are impossible to track and you never hear about any mass movements or incidents that are ought to happen when 700 armed men up and go home in a single day
Most of these ought to be veiled casualties, and the russian number of 1,000 dead ukrainians a day doesn't seem too far off if so
>Mindich left Ukraine legally, the State Border Service reported.
>Border guards checked everything and confirmed that Timur Mindich's border crossing was fully legal: he was processed for exit from Ukraine at one of the checkpoints in accordance with current regulations.—————————————————————
<He also had documents authorizing him to cross the border during martial law.
>Germany is reducing financial support for Ukrainian refugees.
>From now on, Ukrainians who arrived in Germany after April 1, 2025, will receive only €180 as asylum seekers.
>Currently, 1.1 million Ukrainians live in Germany. They receive €563 per month as basic support.
>The state also covers rent and heating costs.—————————————————————
>In Kharkov, a TCC van is carrying away another "volunteer." Only his legs are sticking out of the back.(#1vidrel)
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>Ukraine is capable of continuing its standoff with Russia for another three years, Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski believes.Same guy, btw, who thanked the US for the NS destruction.
(#2 vidrel)
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>Yermak conspired against Zelensky, stated Ukrainian MP Maryana Bezuglaya:
>"According to my information, Yermak has agreements with certain 'investigative' groups and those attacking Zelensky, and is using them to strengthen his own position… Yermak has long wanted to eliminate Kirill Budanov and Mikhail Fedorov as their main rivals for power and influence over Zelensky."—————————————————————
>The United States has almost completely exhausted its options for imposing new anti-Russian sanctions, US Secretary of State Rubio stated.>He noted that Washington has already taken measures against Russia's largest oil companies and added: "I don't know what else needs to be done."go ride a narco dick, that's why you need, little narco.
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>"I can't guarantee that the power outage situation will improve in the coming days, but it will improve significantly in a few weeks," Ukrenergo CEO Vitaliy Zaichenko said hesitantly.(#3 vidrel)
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>Kiev refused to negotiate because the Russian group insulted the Ukrainian delegates, said Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Kyslytsya.>He particularly singled out Vladimir Medinsky, who "opened the negotiations with a lecture." According to Kyslytsya, Medinsky, having distorted the history of Russia and Ukraine, concluded that Russians are killing Russians.lmao, that's the reason they left the table?
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>German Chancellor Scholz confirmed that the collapse of his cabinet was due to the issue of funding for Kiev.>"I dissolved the last government because there was no consensus on the issue of approximately €15 billion to finance additional measures for Ukraine and Ukrainians in Germany," he stated.what an absolute moron. moron beyond moron. he deserved his oblivion. moron.
>>2568708>The "desertion rates" is 100% how they mention the real casualties without officially admitting themit's always been the case. that way they don't have to pay to wives, mothers and families the pensions and compensation.
>The lawyer for Basov, a suspect in the "Mindich case," stated that the millions of dollars found are not necessarily cash.>There have been many instances where rectangular objects resembling US banknotes turned out to be non-cash(#1 vidrel)
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>Adviser to the Head of the Presidential Administration, Podolyak, blamed Russia for corruption in Ukraine, praised the work of the NABU and the SAPO, and wished for corrupt officials to receive life sentences immediately after solving a crime.—————————————————————
>Ukrainian Defense Minister Shmygal announced new contracts in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which will provide for fixed terms of service – from 1 to 5 years.>Contracts of 2-5 years guarantee a 12-month deferment from mobilization after their expiration.>Increased pay is promised – 50-60 thousand hryvnias, as well as bonuses.WITH WHAT FUCKING GIVAS???—————————————————————
>>2568708LOOK AT THIS SHIIIIeveryone, look at this shit.
>A desk of shame for Ukrainian schoolchildren whose fathers went AWOL from their units. It reads: "I will sit at this desk until my dad returns from AWOL."(#1 and #2 picrel)
not only the father is possibly dead, his son or daughter is mocked for it? DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
<The state sends you to die<The state scams you and your family to not pay for your death.<THE STATE HUMILLIATES YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS FOR YOUR DEATH TELLING PEOPLE YOU DESERTED.totally sane people will grow after this war.
>>2568720I'll be honest, that is something ukros would do but the pic look like obvious ai slop
>>2568723alright, it seems so.
Prozorov missed that one.
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>Axios: Ukraine is ready to negotiate the Donald Trump administration's new peace plan, despite the fact that it requires significant concessions, including the transfer of territories currently controlled by Ukraine to Russia.
>Zelensky told US Secretary of the Army Dan Driscoll this.—————————————————————
>Finnish President Alexander Stubb announced that he is discussing Trump's plan to resolve the conflict in Ukraine with his allies and Kiev.
>He also noted that he plans to discuss it with his government:
>"Yesterday, a draft 28-point plan to end the war in Ukraine was published. We are currently assessing the situation with our allies and Ukraine. I have discussed this with the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister and will discuss it with the government."—————————————————————
>Zelensky claimed he had no idea what was going on behind his back when speaking about the corruption scandal at Energoatom and the defendants in the Mindich case.
>At a meeting with members of the Servant of the People faction, the issue of dismissing Yermak, head of the Presidential Office, was raised. Zelensky responded, "The Presidential Office is his staff," but everyone involved in corruption schemes must be held accountable.—————————————————————
>Bloomberg: The US peace plan for Ukraine threatens Zelensky with humiliation.
>The Kiev regime's leader has reportedly already received signals from the US that he should accept Washington's proposal, given Trump's support for the plan.—————————————————————
>The Wall Street Journal: European leaders are working on an alternative plan for resolving the conflict in Ukraine that would be more favorable to Kiev than US proposals.
>European leaders hope to present their draft within the next few days. Kiev, however, has not yet agreed to participate in this plan. The details of the plan are not being disclosed.—————————————————————
>Neo-Nazi Korchinsky believes that Ukrainians are better off living with corruption than losing their state.(#1 vidrel)
well, that seems to me the most relevant news after 1 week, besides everything known so far.
one more:
>The NABU has suspended the publication of new information in the Mindich corruption case due to "circumstances related to martial law."
>Timur Mindich's activities extended beyond the energy sector — the case also includes weapons-related incidents.
Lukashenko status?
I don't normally browse this thread or keep up with the war, what do you reckon the odds are of Trump's latest plan being accepted? What do you make of the terms themselves?
>>2568392Oh those dastardly trotskyists Kamenev and Zinoviev!
>>2568790>what do you reckon the odds are of Trump's latest plan being accepted?Lol, no. Ukrainians and the EU alone will stop it.
>What do you make of the terms There is progress from the previous attempts, things like clauses against banderism, Ukrainian neutrality, no nato for or nato troops in Ukraine and no nato expansion, but the plans terms are still disadvantageous to Russia. The territorial changes can basically be achieved by fighting a couple more months a year tops at this pace, a pace that is accelerating. Even the recognition of Donbass as russian has a clause that leaves the option for the west and Ukraine to revert their recognition if they see Russia has violated the terms. I have no idea how that kind or recognition would work legally and in practise.
Also what the fuck is that Ukraine would be allowed 600k army post-war? Ukraine had like sub 200k army in the 2010s. Now Their army is 800k on paper and probably way under it in reality. The plan will also take russia's seized assets.
My honest reaction to this plan is that Trump and US deepstate think that if they can just get a freeze then they will eventually win a complete victory Russia in a cold war, be that when putin dies or smth. If Russia has actually been consulted in this and nor the leaks aren't doctored before they got leaked then Russia just plays long because they know Ukraine and EU won't accept these terms and they are still trying to play the adult in the room nd try to get a further wedge between European nato and the US.
>>2568854>This is one of the most difficult moments in our history. Currently, the pressure on Ukraine is one of the toughest. Ukraine may face a very difficult choice — the loss of dignity or the threat of losing a key partner. Either a difficult 28 points, or a very difficult winter.Also pls stop talking about corruption guys, we need to stick together
>>2568868So it's happening, the cuck will take the bait
>>2568790I mean russia do get the bare minimum of what they wanted at first (no nato in ukraine, the land of the regions they recognized), but after years of war when your enemy is already cracking, it doesnt seem enough at all, especially with the stealing of their assets and the limit on ukrainian army being so high
also wtf is that clause where only the big russian cities are off limit, seems like the kind of retarded shit only trump and his special retards envoys think is a good idea on a treaty
EU will prolly not be enthusiast either at having to pay for everything, and not getting anything in return, and worse even with getting ukraine in which will make the farmers cry hard and the EU gibs to become smaller for everyone else
I just dont see ukraine accepting this even if its by far the best they could ever ask for, guaranteed they will refuse and eventually settle for less
>>2568883It created an Ukraine that ended up being another example for the world of how fascism destroys nations and why people should fear US takeover of their government more than for their own lives.
The best thing of all what maidan brought was a conflict and collective madness that will likely be the final poison pill for nato/EU and western hegemony.
Uhg on /pol/ is crashing out
>>2568891>Estonia has 800k reservists.Estonia has a population of 1,3 million.
Their real reserve is like 200k. War time military 40k.
I'm still not sure if this guy is just a really shill or genuinely that retarded.
Conspiratard theory lite (confidence 80%): The US is dangling negotiation carrots again to try to get Ukraine through the winter and soften the Kremlin's approach, hoping that Putin will return to "we don't want to risk spoiling the negotiations" mode instead of wreaking more havoc on the 750kV gear.
Conspiratard theory heavy (confidence 15%): After the attempted hit on Shoigu, the whole corruption scandal is a ruse designed to persuade the Kremlin that it doesn't need to respond in kind against the Zelensky regime because that regime is going to implode any moment now (even though so far it's just picking out some minions who've been allowed to flee the country).
>>2568871I dont think this diplomatic victory was ever meant to be implemented. The purpose was to cause rift between Trump regime and Ukraine.
Man, it seems like only yesterday we were mass raided with bravado about the refinery hits, and now Reuters/Bloomberg is reporting only a 3% impact on Russian industry offset by favorable oil prices for Russia.
>>2568933Ukraine collapse status?
>>2568949Not really
>Another diplomat involved in the discussions said Ukraine is under “extraordinary pressure” to agree to a deal by Thanksgiving amid U.S. threats to withdraw assistance. A separate person familiar with the matter said that while Washington’s vow to withdraw support from Kyiv is real, it likely would not be implemented for another two weeks at the earliest. >>2568953>amid U.S. threats to withdraw assistanceI mean if they really want they can yank the leash and force the ukrainian to do anything, but I've got doubts they'd really go that far
more likely both ukrainian and russians will simply pretend to accept and then try to torpedo the negotiation
>>2568982>more likely both ukrainian and russians will simply pretend to accept and then try to torpedo the negotiationNo, Russia will count on the fact that Ukraine and EU will not accept this. They keep winning on the ground, gaining even better positions, EU and Ukraine look like children having a tantrum. It's just bonus for Russia if US actually withdraws support and grows even more pissed with EU and Ukraine.
>>2568790It's a non starter. Russia is saying they haven't even officially gotten word of this "proposal." Aside from everything else, the four oblasts are officially part of Russia and have to be taken in their entirety, not partially and not "leased."
>>2569034>US actually withdraws support and grows even more pissed with EU and Ukraine.Good
>>2568894>how fascism destroys nationsFunnily enough, actual Fascists, Nazis and Taisei Yokusankai had enough sense to NOT do Endsieg or Ketsugō.
Now you get to see what happens when they don't.
>>2569132To the last Ukrainian! Bazed Agent Z
>>2568951Bitch today marked the largest territorial gain for Russia in a day since 2022. You need to pull your head out of your ass.
>>2569132Christ, he's really going to force them to fight to the last man.
>>2569159>You need to pull your head out of your ass.He might get upset to the point of suicidal if he did.
>>2569132>>2569166Clockwork. Post-2014 Ukraine has been defined by total intransigence at every turn. They ain't changing. It will only end when the Maidan regime is removed and 2014 reversed.
>>2568952
The avg american doesnt have a say
"In a defensive war, put all available assets in offensive actions."
"Lose men to save land - more volksturm can be recruited"
"Speak often of victory. Especially when it is not near."
"When the fortress falls, declare it strategically unimportant."
"The counteroffensive begins tomorrow, every day."
"When your people are cold, ask for jets. Warmth will follow."
"Ensure that your weakest units are placed at the most critical points."
"When the enemy surrounds one of your garrisons, make sure another one is also besieged."
“Coke is good for numbing the pain of defeat."
"Troops are cheap, money is expensive - But coke is priceless"
"Always beg where you are least expected."
"A good ruler never changes clothes when his nation is at war."
"When you lose troops, you gain dollars."
"If you lose everything - The enemy gains nothing."
"There are no red lines. Only white lines."
"The enemy cannot leak your plans if you do not have one."
"When surrounded, stay composed as you can now engage in any direction."
"The slow blade is preferred over the fast one, giving ample time to beg."
"When all hope is lost, know that reality is optional."
"If they kill their enemy, you win."
"Appear weak when you wish to beg."
"If the funds appear far away, make it disappear."
"He who is prudent and lies in wait for handouts, will be victorious."
"The supreme art of war is to pretend you are winning."
"Victorious warriors beg first then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek handouts"
"He will win who knows when to beg and when to pretend."
"The wise beggar avoids asking."
~ Zelen Tzu
>>2568935Donald Cuck won't terminate the weapons and intel deliveries, and Ukraine knows it. Wouldn't be surprised if this is all some ruse before a new Ukro provocation: "Oh, would you like at what those darn Ukrainians did without our knowledge while we were pressuring them to accept the peace deal."
When this orange fat fuck loses the midterms and the Dems hamstring him again with impeachment and lawfare, probably with Zelensky helping the Dems again, he'll have only himself to blame for not cutting Ukraine loose in January.
Agent Z theory is becoming more and more unironic, especially since his associates in that corruption scandal got caught collaborating with some unknown folks in Moscow.
>>2569343 (me)
Alt theory: he's hitting Venezuela soon and feels that the negotiation charade and the apparent heat placed on Zelensky somehow help control Russian reactions. Probably why it happened during the Iran saga as well.
>>2569346That would be the single most based mustard plan Zelensky's ever done.
>get elected on obeying Minsk 2>try to demobilize the nazis>they tell you to fuck off>get them all fucking killed, all their supporters, and their ideology >>2569349That could be it. Same reason Biden pulled out of Afghanistan.
>>2569323What a profound list of wisdoms
>>2569992Note that Sun's not in eclipse anymore. With Ukraine's death, a new era of peace and prosperity will come
>>2570088Upper-crust to Unemployed neet speedrun?
Why the fuck is the EU a coherent military and political bloc here in the screenshot btw? this makes 0 sense.
>>2570088lol, worth watching?
>>2570093it's TFR where you can unite America as the Atomwaffen Division and carry out a global nuclear holocaust. making sense isn't its biggest priority
Large gains near Hulyaipole, Russia will probably enter another city in the coming mounts.
>>2570093>Why the fuck is the EU a coherent military and political bloc here in the screenshot btw? this makes 0 sense.It's a hoi4 mod, when people lose politics irl in the 21st centuary, they play hoi4 to stimulate a W as cope.
oh and I think Fehlinger himself is playable in that, kek
>>2570095gunther said: >what is a femboy
kinda worth
>>2570103They say Russia has not made this much gains since 2022 when invasion started with the 3-days-to-Kiev operation.
>>2570212i guess the spectator has been captured by kremlin talking points and putlerite disinformation.
>>2570212>Since the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, discussion of the Ukrainian far right has been verboten in western media, largely because one of Vladimir Putin’s stated war aims is the “denazification” of Ukraine. Putin’s claim that Ukraine is a Nazi state has been recycled by Russian propagandists and the western party line has consistently been that while the Ukrainian military does have far-right strains, they are marginal and inconsequential. This may have been true in 2022, but things have changed significantly after almost four years of war. Today, far-right figures control some of Ukraine’s strongest military units, and neo-Nazi ideology is displayed openly in the Ukrainian ranks.Talk about trying to have it both ways.
You cant have democracy under martial law. Its simply impossible to have votes when you are being bombed and civilians are targeted indiscriminately with missile and drone weapons
>>2570232??? Ukraine will refuse elections even during peace because of "le occupation"
>>2570227At the same time both small enough to not warrant talking about but integral enough for the defence so as not to be purged.
Schrodinger's nazi or something, idk.
>>2570239Difference between puppet leaders and oligarchic struggle, and real deal democracies, which like their elected leaders, because, DUH, they've elected them themselves. Just check the approval ratings, lol
From the 'Ukraine is on the verge of political collapse' article (
https://archive.ph/f6HX2):
>The same cannot be said for Zelensky’s most dangerous opponents, Ukraine’s ultranationalists. ‘Corrupt officials are enemies and traitors – if you steal from the nation during a war you deserve liquidation,’ stormed Dmytro Yarosh, the former leader of Right Sector and a nationalist firebrand who threatened to hang Zelensky in 2019 if he dared to make concessions to Moscow. As long as top officials are not jailed, ‘all statements about finding and punishing culprits look like ordinary populism’, tweeted Bohdan Krotevych, former chief of staff of the Azov battalion, once a volunteer nationalist unit that has grown into a major force inside the regular Ukrainian army. ‘The absence of real changes in the Office of the President and the General Staff directly threatens the state’s sovereignty. Either you save your pro-Russian corrupt friends, or you save the state – there’s no third option.’ According to Krotevych, if the President does not make hard decisions about punishing ‘traitors’ then the people must do so themselves. ‘If the question is about the state’s existence, and the [presidency] doesn’t work – then the people have every right to take responsibility upon themselves.’ That sounds scarily like the justification for a military coup. And as Ukraine’s most heavily armed, well-organised, politically vocal and most radically anti-Zelensky military formation, Azov is fully capable of seizing the role of kingmaker in the event of a political collapse.>>2570243Anon i tried just can't read this etonite 'we wuz greeks and sheit' blathering, i'm sorry but british class society is literally a disability, please tldr it for me.
>>2570249The difference is that the national bourgeoisie, or the so called "oligarchs", operate within free presidential elections in Ukraine Meanwhile in Russia there is a despotic system in which the national bourgeoisie aristocracy keeps the ruler in power. In Russia the state apparatus has fused with the bourgeois class, since Presidents, ministers and siloviks are also major economic actors through their control of private property.
>>2570245Im not in favor of liberal presidential "democracy" or parliamentarism. Its soviet democracy with no compromise.
Hello guys, I have a question. What do you think is the leftist solution to this conflict? If you were the president of Ukraine right now, what would you do?
>>2570262>If you were the president of Ukraine right now, what would you do?Fucking blow my brains out before nazis lynch me publicly in a Ukrainian street or Mi6 kills me quietly in a London street.
>>2570212>how the ukrainian far right is preventing peace.it's the fucking western NGOs evadniks who are preventing peace, lmao. they are comfy, armchairing their opinions stating that ukraine must go into war for 10 to 15 years.
>>2570262Sign peace, then go full 1937 on Nazi guys in Ukraine under the pretext that they are rebels and international terrorists
>>2570262they probably should have agreed to not join NATO in 2022, missed the exit ramp. They probably shouldn't have sold their country out to the west and sacrificed an entire generation of their people on the altar of western imperialism, only to have absolutely nothing to show for it at all. Oh well.
>>2570262>What do you think is the leftist solution to this conflict? ukraine should have committed to the firs Minsk agreement.
>>2570260Russia and Belarus moved on from the chaos of primitive accumulation and oligarch wars of the 90s by becoming bonapartist and consolidating power, while Ukraine never did. I'm not sure how Ukraine's position is preferable from a leftist outlook or otherwise unless you have an election fetish (where leftists or anyone who isn't a hard pro-EU right-winger isn't allowed to participate anyway)
>>2570262>If you were the president of Ukraine right now, what would you do?literally just sit down to negotiate with Russia
>>2570264I see
>>2570267Fair enough. Let's say Ukraine does sign for peace under Trump's proposed terms. That would mean more Ukrainian land being given to Russia. Doesn't that just reward Russian imperialism?
>>2570268Surely it is the sovereign choice of Ukrainians whether they will apply for NATO membership or not. If they had become part of NATO earlier it might have deterred Russia from invading Ukraine and murdering thousands of Ukrainians.
>>2570266>it's the fucking western NGOs evadniks who are preventing peace, lmao. And with dagger in hand they will, having played their role perfectly, fly off to London and Berlin.
>>2570273>Doesn't that just reward Russian imperialism?No, it punishes European/NATO imperialism.
>>2570273Look. Do we have to do this here again?
>>2570273>That would mean more Ukrainian land being given to RussiaWhat IS the alternative? Ukraine isn't winning. Russia isn't collapsing and will continue to slowly advance. Russia has shown that it is willing to accept relatively mild terms before, and doesn't actually want to conquer all of Ukraine or whatever.
>>2570262surprise surrender to putin in exchange for assistance in purging all nazis and implementation of a dengist or lukashenkist model, with the help of the chinese (and maybe even a chinese peacekeeping force to make us and euro seethe)
>>2570275NATO and Europe didn't try to grab Russian land though. Instead Russia has been using its military to grab Ukrainian land.
If people in Crimea and the Donbas had really wanted to join Russia and were able to achieve this through democratic means then I think that would be fine. But instead Russia used military means to annex these areas, regardless of the wishes of people living there.
>>2570276Okay I will say honestly something I've been thinking: Russia is clearly being imperialistic and they have far-right nationalists and Nazi-sympathisers supporting their conquest of Ukraine. So I don't see how it's a leftist position to support Russia. Perhaps a leftist position should be "far-right forces on either side, where they exist, should be condemned".
I hope the whole situation is resolved peacefully and democratically to be honest but I guess there's very little chance of that happening at the moment.
>>2570262Arrest all the Banderites. Sign a full cooperation treaty with Russia cede Crimea and Donbass, referendum on Novorussiya for new state and full autonomy, invent a new country, join the (quad)triune Russian nation with Belarus. Declare immediate default on all western debts and agriculture rare earth contracts void. Reaffirm shanghai cooperation org and BRI commitments. Grant gas exploration to Rosneft and ask China for reconstruction loans with high speed rail. Build a wall next to Poland. Fully commit to CSTO and CIS. Get nukes and point them at Rammstein and London.
>>2570280>If people in Crimea and the Donbas had really wanted to join Russia and were able to achieve this through democratic means then I think that would be fine. They tried. They were criminalised and imprisoned. They were dragged off into dungeons, tortured, shot. They were burned alive on mass to fascist chants.
>>2570273damn do we really still get completely clueless vaguely left libs newcomers, or is that a bait to make us write walls of texts to explain again the sensible communist anti imperialist multipolarista position for the 10.000th time
>>2570280>So I don't see how it's a leftist position because you literally dont know shit. You dont know shit about geopolitics, about politics, about leftism, about imperialism, about war, about nazism, about russia, about ukraine, about nato
>"far-right forces on either side, where they exist, should be condemned"thats not "leftist", thats the most basic common decency dumb lib position imaginable (protip, lib is not left)
>>2570257I guess it's main point is really summed up in its final paragraph. After discussing Greek/Scythian cultural relations and how Russia and now Ukraine both have used "defending European civilization from asiatic barbarians" and "civilizing expansionism" as justification, he sums up by saying
>The irony is double, given that the view of Russia as an Asian, nomad power all but feeds the Western and Ukrainian counter-narrative of the Russian horde coming to rape and plunder civilization. But given how easily “civilizers” can become “barbarians”, we should perhaps consider moving away from the discourse of “civilization” and “barbarism” to describe polities and cultures, especially in a region where these terms have never had a stable meaning and have always been up for grabs. Not only is this framing entirely inadequate in the realm of Realpolitik, but barbarism has an unfortunate habit of revealing more about the “civilizers” than about the barbarians du jour. Varium et mutabile semper… barbarus.[12]The way I'm reading it, it not so subtly is saying that Ukraine and Russia aren't all that different in a lot of ways and the "elves versus orcs" framing of things is as ahistorical and unfounded as it's always been.
https://www.nzz.ch/pro/glaube-gegen-kalkuel-was-westliche-soldaten-in-einem-krieg-mit-russland-erwartet-ld.1911069For decades, war between Russia and NATO was an unlikely possibility. Today, it is a real threat. That's why Germany is investing hundreds of billions in military spending, breaking its debt prohibition. The country is debating the reintroduction of conscription and the issue of civilian casualties in a crisis. NATO is warning of a Russian attack. It is said that Vladimir Putin's regime could be ready by 2029 at the latest.
But who would NATO soldiers face? What adversary would they encounter in a conflict with Russia? Russian soldiers versus Western soldiers – a look at Ukraine reveals what the troops would have to prepare for. The difference isn't primarily in the caliber of the assault rifles: the Russians use 5.45x39mm and NATO uses 5.56x45mm. It lies in their mindset.
Western armies view soldiers as rational actors, trained, planning, and bound by law, as citizens of a free country. Russia, however, molds its soldiers into believers. Initially, many are lured with money. But then their mission becomes: victory through devotion. War is a moral test, death becomes a potential salvation. Russian military psychology is a mixture of discipline, fatalism, and spiritual self-abandonment. It turns a Russian soldier into a believer. Blind obedience has always characterized Russia's military.
One repeatedly wonders why thousands upon thousands of Russian soldiers have been blindly running into the fire in Ukraine for over four years. Wave after wave they charge at the enemy positions, knowing they will hardly survive. This pattern is familiar from the Second World War. That was 80 years ago, and it was assumed that the Russian world, too, had progressed.
War is a belief system in Russia.
In the West, war is institutional. In most countries, it is under parliamentary control, embedded in doctrines, and—a crucial difference from Russia—in ethics. It is, paradoxical as it may sound, a rationalized state of emergency. In Russia, by contrast, war is a belief system. Instructions from the Russian military describe it as a moral test for the soldier. "The moral spirit outweighs the mathematics of combat." The soldier is expected to "pass this test with dignity."
This can be read, for example, in a kind of handbook circulating on Russian military-affiliated websites and Telegram channels under the heading "Recommendations for Participants in a Special Military Operation." It is an anonymous collection of tips and lessons from the war in Ukraine, a training and survival manual for Russian soldiers. Comparing the lessons it imparts with Western principles and ideologies gives an idea of just how different the motives and motivations of soldiers on both sides are likely to be in wartime.
For instance, a Western officer conducts a risk analysis when planning operations. A Russian officer is more likely to speak of "trials by God." For him, loss and sacrifice are not contradictory, but rather proof of his own steadfastness. "If you believe in yourself, a grenade won't matter to you." The handbook quotes a Russian veteran. This attitude fosters endurance far beyond what is rationally expedient, but also blindness to the reality of the battlefield.
When Russian men join the military, they are initiated into rituals: an oath to Putin and the fatherland, an icon, the patriarch's blessing. On the battlefield, they encounter death not as an accident, but as fate. Russian troops, as can be seen in videos from Ukraine, pray before going into battle.
In the West, soldiers are primarily experts, not disciples.
Western militaries have long since shed this sacralism. Wehrmacht units also prayed before going into combat. Today, soldiers in the Bundeswehr are primarily experts, not disciples. Their motivation is based on professional ethics, camaraderie, and professional competence. This fundamentally distinguishes them from an army that seeks solace in spiritual devotion. The question is, what does that mean on the battlefield?
The answer: While Western soldiers derive their effectiveness from structure and logic, Russian soldiers draw their morale from myth. Those who fight against them face not only a military but also a metaphysical front—an enemy who believes that even dying is part of their mission.
The Russian army trains not only its soldiers' bodies but also their perceptions. It largely isolates them from anything that might sow doubt. News, social media, even phone calls with family are considered potential weapons of the enemy. "They seek you and your relatives out to secretly sow seeds of doubt and undermine your morale." The soldier is meant to learn not to dismiss information as unfounded.
>>2570428these pathetic drunks are killing 1,000 nato-armed ukrainians every day and consistently advancing? wow…nato kinda sucks
>>2570088Has he gotten a new job?
Gonna have to bake. I can do it.
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