>>2570572Stalemate: n, when you repeatedly lose integral defensive positions because your forces have been so badly attrited that you can no longer hold them or effectively counter attack
>>2570607
>a proposal that delivers none of the things russia wants
>"russian wish list"
Libtards demand more murder of ukies. I will enjoy seeing their copes when Russia does not invade actual NATO countries
>>2570681I'm not really looking forward to the triumphant victory speeches about how angry Putin must be because he wasn't able to conquer the baltics or whatever.
>>2570645What deal? You can't make deals with the US, they are incapable of holding up a deal.
>>2570717Exactly, but why would they openly refuse it when Ukraine and EU does it for them. Ukraine and EU once again play the part of warmongering fools who still stick to their maximalist goals. There will not be a negotiated solution for Ukraine, but with this Russia can be the adult in the room and despite US being unreliable liar, Russia still needs to talk to the US, if not for Ukraine then because US still leads nato and they both need nucleararm controls. European nato won't and can't do jack shit, but that also means that only way for Russia to work with them is to use force, or talk with the US who can work as Russia's retard wrangler.
>>2570594Total NATOid death
>>2570922
Very nice, now send him to the front
>>2570924
Kiev has also technically been falling by nafo standards.
>>2570924
>Settlement invaded and conquered in around a month
>Already shouting <Settlement here> hodls! For a year prior
>Keep shouting it until literally Ukraine holds a single apartment block on the outskirts
<Once all of your troops have been vanquished, claim the settlement was never important
They can’t keep getting away with this!
FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCKKKK
>The crash of India's Tejas fighter in front of global arms buyers at the Dubai Airshow is the latest blow to a key national trophy, leaving the jet reliant on Indian military orders to sustain its role as a showcase of home-built defence technology.
>The cause of Friday's crash was not immediately known but it capped a week of jockeying for influence at the event, attended by India's arch-rival Pakistan six months after the neighbouring foes faced off in the world's largest air battle in decades.
>Such a public loss will inevitably overshadow India's efforts to establish the jet abroad after a painstaking development over four decades, experts said, as India paid tribute to Wing Commander Namansh Syal who died in the crash.
>"The imagery is brutal," said Douglas A. Birkey, executive director of the U.S.-based Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, referring to the history of crashes at air shows where nations and industries seek to tout major national achievements.
>"A crash sends quite the opposite signal: a dramatic failure," he said.India sisters…..
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/tejas-crash-dampens-export-hopes-indian-fighter-jet-2025-11-23/>>2571189Tbf zelensky didn't start it
>>2571049You know Ukrainian morale is great when they prerecord videos to say X hamlet of 10 inhabitants is still theirs.
Ruzzians are flying flags in every street of the settlement? It's fine, our glorious soldiers killed them in the next second and everything is fine there.
You can't lie? Just paint some houses in white so you aren't sent to the front yourself.
>>2571234It’s only because of the internet and modern recording technologies that they don’t just claim everything in Eastern Ukraine is grey.
>>2571271>some points are even toughter for Kyivit's literally the zelensky "peace formula" that's just russian capitulation. zero concessions from Ukraine, not even the symbolic ones from the Trump plan like neutrality and language reform. what the fuck are they talking about?
>>2571278Anything less than 1991 borders is treated as a tragedy, although not one that proves Ukraine and more importantly the EU lost
>>2571278If this "Peace Plan" (lol), comes into effect, this war comtinue israel-gaza style for 5 more yearsy minimum.
>>2571306
fishnets dont work for both sides, retard. russia has fiber-optic drones literally sit on the side of the road and go under the net and attack when a vehicle passes by. weak bait, nafo faggot.
>>2571342yuck. This is why the US needs to invade Canada. Shitty ass meme country pretending to be sovereign
>>2571381
>haha umad bro?
>>2571364Tbh I can see it happening
>>2571367The postage stamps depicting this sign of righteous indignation are already being printed
>Yankee peace plan go fuck yourself >>2571306
Bottom of the barrel status?
>>2571405
6-7
china
>>2571405
6-5 tho I've never been diagnosed
Russia
>>2571390Beautiful, just needs a Ukrainian soldier next to the pen showing a middle finger to the US flag
>>2571405
11, overflowing to 0. I’m just that based.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/22/ukraine-war-briefing-putin-trump-deal-reactionUkraine war briefing: defeating Russia an ‘illusion’, says Putin, as he welcomes Trump deal
>Vladimir Putin says Ukraine is being unrealistic if it does not accept the US plan to end the war, declaring: “Ukraine is against it. Apparently, Ukraine and its European allies are still under illusions and dream of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield”. The positive response from the Russian president adds weight to the views of European and Ukrainian officials that the deal amounts to a “capitulation”. Addressing Russia’s national security council, Putin called the 28-point plan “a new version” and “a modernised plan” of what was discussed with the US ahead of his Alaska summit with Donald Trump in August, and said Moscow has received it. Putin said the plan “could form the basis of a final peace settlement”.
<Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reacted to the deal by saying Ukraine faces one of the most difficult moments in its history. Luke Harding, Pjotr Sauer, and Andrew Roth report that Donald Trump has demanded Kyiv accepts the plan by Thursday. Agreeing to the US-Russian plan, which would force it to give up territory and make other painful concessions, could leave Ukraine “without freedom, dignity and justice”, Zelenskyy said in a sombre 10-minute speech outside the presidential palace. In a radio interview, Trump said he thought Thursday was an “appropriate time” for Zelenskyy to sign the deal.
>US vice president JD Vance has said any plan to end the war should preserve Ukrainian sovereignty and be acceptable to both countries but that it was a “fantasy” to think Ukraine could win if the US just gave Kyiv more money or weapons or imposed more Russian sanctions.
<Zelenskyy has signalled Ukraine must confront the possibility of losing US support if it makes a stand. Sounding out his European allies, Zelenskyy spoke on Friday by phone to the leaders of Germany, France and the UK. German chancellor Friedrich Merz, French president Emmanuel Macron and British prime minister Keir Starmer assured Zelenskyy of “their unchanged and full support on the way to a lasting and just peace” in Ukraine, Merz’s office said. They reaffirmed their support for Kyiv and said any agreement to end the conflict had to be genuinely fair and take into account Ukraine’s own red lines.
>EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas has warned that how the Ukraine war ends matters. She said: “Russia’s war against Ukraine is an existential threat to Europe. We all want this war to end. But how it ends matters. Russia has no legal right whatsoever to any concessions from the country it invaded. Ultimately, the terms of any agreement are for Ukraine to decide.” In a radio interview on Friday, Trump pushed back against the notion that the settlement would embolden Putin to carry out further actions against his European neighbours. “He’s not thinking of more war,” Trump said of Putin. “He’s thinking punishment. Say what you want. I mean, this was supposed to be a one-day war that has been four years now.”
<The Trump administration has told Ukrainian and European officials there is little room to negotiate on its plan to end Russia’s war, the Financial Times (paywall) reports. The paper reported “a volatile meeting” between US army secretary Daniel Driscoll and European ambassadors and western officials late on Friday. “We are not negotiating details,” Driscoll said, according to a senior European official present at the meeting. Another described the tone of the meeting as “nauseating”, the paper reported.
>Keir Starmer is set to meet Ukraine’s allies at the Johannesburg G20 summit on Saturday to seek to “strengthen” the US-drafted plan. “Ukraine’s friends and partners will meet in the margins of the G20 summit to discuss how we can secure a full ceasefire and create the space for meaningful peace negotiations,” he said. “We will discuss the current proposal on the table, and in support of President Trump’s push for peace, look at how we can strengthen this plan for the next phase of negotiations.”
<Poland’s ambassador to South Korea on Friday voiced “great concerns” over North Korea’s involvement in Russia’s war against Ukraine, according to reports. “Security between the Korean Peninsula, central Europe and the so-called eastern flank has become intertwined. We are crystal clear that the DPRK’s involvement in the brutal war and aggression against Ukraine is a source of great concerns to us,” ambassador Bartosz Wisniewski said. Hundreds of North Korean troops have been killed in the conflict, as reported previously by the Guardian. >>2571367Press F for the pen.
>>2571367Something tells me he isn't outraged over the West Nazifying Ukraine to fight Russia, and then discarding them, like the garbage they are.
>>2571579Tbh I'm kinda surprised mirnograd lasted longer than pokrovsk.
>>2571596The Russians didn’t assault it. The entire point is to do a classical encirclement and have a big surrender photo op.
>>2571596As I recall russian troops were given instructions to destroy or capture Ukrainian units in the cauldron. There was no flushing the Ukrainians out to reduce russian work and casualties to clear the area.
Have the strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure stopped all of a sudden because of the reboot of the negotiation farce?
<Russia does something based and strategically damaging to Ukraine
<Trump trots out muh piss charade and pretends to be getting frustrated with Zelensky
<Kremlin puts the brakes on effective strikes so as not "spoil" the piss charade
That's three times this year. :-/
guess the manlet in the kremlin is going to let them get through the winter after all
Is Kirill Dmitriev ever gonna be pushed out a window? So fucking sick of that twerp. Bring back the Biden years when we didn't have to tolerate all this negotiation nonsense.
Boo Trump. Boo.
>>2571618The big strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure were in reaction to Ukrainian strikes on Russian infrastructure. The Russians also seemed to be launching everything they could, so probably need time to allow logistics to catch up.
The infrastructure strikes are far more effective if done as large as possible, and giving Ukraine time to repair in between.
SCREENCAP THIS OFFICIAL KING LEAR PREDICTION
The current “Peace Negotiations” are a Kabuki theatre that will result in Trump refusing to force a Ceasefire to end the Kabuki theatre Inter-Imperialist Stalemate Retarded Slavic Border War (if it was up to me, their would be an immediate permanent Ceasefire along the line of contact, Crimea recognized as part of Russia, a neutral Ukraine, and in the future Global USSR, Crimea will be an ASSR in the Russian SFSR, while the Donbas will be an ASSR in the Ukrainian SSR) Between the Fascist U$/Zionist puppet states of Ukraine and Russia, who are both controlled by the same cabal of duel citizen Zionist Oligarchs who raped the vestiges of the USSR which was destroyed by the Khrushchevite Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Revisionist Clique, which culminated in the Gorbachev Capitalist Perestroika/Glasnost “reforms” and the phony 1991 “Project Hammer” Coup attempt which officially dissolved the USSR and put the drunkard degenerate Yeltsin in power, who chose as his successor the KGB/CIA/Mossad double agent traitor Putin, who staged the FSB/CIA False Flag 1999 Moscow Apartment Bombing which acted as the Casus Belli for the Genocidal Russian Imperialist Invasion of Chechnya (just like the CIA/Mossad False Flag 9/11 attacks was both the Casus Belli for the Genocidal U$ Imperialist Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, along with the final conclusion of “Project Hammer”, and the Mossad False Flag October 7th attack was the Casus Belli for the Zionist Genocide of Gaza), is due to the fact that Putin’s Russia is a convenient bogeymen to keep the EuroCucks under permanent U$ occupation, so they can lose whatever is left of their sovereignty through NATO and the fake “European Union” designed to destroy all the Nations of Europe with a fake “European” National Identity (the absurdity of the concept of a single “European” National Identity is elucidated in the Video of the changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years that I posted, which shows that Europe is populated by dozens of Nations/Ethnic groups, divided into several large Ethno-Linguistic groups, most notably the Germanic peoples, Slavic Peoples, Romance Peoples, etc. all of which have been Migrating/Invading, Mixing, Assimilating, and Genociding each other for thousands of years), which will pave the way for them all being fully Americanized into English speaking “White” Racist Redneck Evangelical Protestant EuroMutts with a massive impoverished underclass of Non-European migrants (mostly Arab Muslims fleeing Genocidal U$ Imperialist /Zionist Wars and Black Africans fleeing Neocolonial Imperialist Poverty/Exploitation/Starvation) who will be brutally exploited by U$/“European” Capitalists and used as a Scapegoat to transform Europe into a Islamophobic Christian Zionist Nationalist Fascist Shithole, which will eventually include Russia as well once their Bogeyman role is no longer needed, and whether the absorption of Russia into this fully Americanized “Europe” which are all officially U$ States, is a peaceful integration or the result of a violent Civil War/Collapse in Russia after Putin’s death is hard to predict, but it is worth noting that all Russian “Nukes” were dismantled during the Nunn-Luger program, so their is absolutely nothing stopping an eventual violent absorption of Russia, though I believe the “Russian” Oligarchs will make sure that the absorption is mostly Peaceful, in order to preserve their ill-gotten fiefdom, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
Additionally, I believe that Trump wants to use the so-called “Secondary Sanctions” on all countries that import Russian Oil/Gas, as a convenient excuse to dramatically escalate the Trade War with China into a full-decoupling of all Trade between the U$ and China, which combined with Trump forcing the ROC/“Taiwan” U$ puppet state to declare “independence” and/or the U$ recognizing them as the “Real China”, will force China to Invade Taiwan, thus giving the U$ a Casus Belli to launch World War III against China, which means Trump will have Bipartisan support to use the Insurrection Act to declare Martial Law, suspend all Elections, and become De Facto President for Life, though this could dramatically backfire as it will either end in a decisive Conventional U$ victory (due to the U$ B-2 Stealth Bomber and Standoff Stealthy JASSMs, LRASMs, and Tomahawks, launched by B-1/B-2/B-52 Bombers in the case of the JASSM, B-1 Bombers in the case of the LRASM, and Cruisers, Destroyers, and Submarines, in the case of the Tomahawk, destroying most Chinese Air Bases, Naval Bases, Warships, SRBM/MRBM/IRBM/GLCM launchers, and SAM sites, which despite Chinese DF-21/DF-26 MRBMs/IRBMs and CJ-10 Cruise Missiles launched by H-6 Bombers and Type 052D/Type 055 Destroyers, severely damaging many U$ air and naval bases in Japan and South Korea and Anti-Ship Missiles launched by H-6 Bombers and Type 052D/Type 055 Destroyers sinking several U$ Destroyers and Cruisers, causes China to suffer a decisive Conventional Defeat and Capitulate) that will lead to the overthrow of the Chinese Communist Party and the Balkanization of China (Tibet and East Turkestan will gain Independence) in a renewed Century of Humiliation, thus enshrining the Global Fascist Christian Zionist Nationalist 1000 year Burgereich under the eternal Trump Dynasty, or escalate into a Global Nuclear War (due to a DF-21D, DF-26, or YJ-21 ASBM, launched by a TEL in the case of the DF-21/DF-26, or a H-6 Bomber or Type 055 Destroyer in the case of the YJ-21, penetrating the Aegis ABM system and sinking a U$ Aircraft Carrier, thus provoking a U$ Nuclear First Strike on China, and assuming some Chinese ICBMs survive, and that their MIRVed Nuclear Warheads penetrate the U$ ABM system, a Chinese Nuclear Second Strike on the U$) that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
As a nice addition to the Video of the changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years that I posted at
>>2571648 I have posted 4 In-depth Charts of Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with various Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions (ie. Germanic, Slavic, Italic/Romance, Celtic, Baltic, Graeco-Albanian/Balkanic, Armenian, Iranian, Indo-Aryan, etc.) across various Indo-European and Non-Indo-European speaking populations in Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, Siberia, South Africa, and the Americas, in comparison to various Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions, along with a Chart of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Makeup of each of the Indo-European and Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions shown in the first 4 Charts, based on the proportion of Indo-European Steppe and Non-Steppe Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components, with all of these charts coming from the same video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJaTRFojJg of “The History of Indo-European Peoples, Languages and Ancestry from 5000 BC to 2025 AD” that cites 33 Academic articles published on Population Genetics, ✊😜🧬!
>>2571213he wasn't president then? he has his responsibility and is criminal but even then imagine the guys who made you do it coming out and saying its your fault lol. like the mafia providing you a target a gun and the bullets and then testifying against you
>>2571648>>2571648>(if it was up to me, their would be an immediate permanent Ceasefire along the line of contactyou are in favor of making new korea type dmz in euro to last the next 80 years?
The Russian army makes its best gains when the civvie boomers aren't killing morale by licking America's balls and pretending that America is a legitimate mediator.
>>2571648>The current “Peace Negotiations” are a Kabuki theatre that will result in Trump refusing to force a Ceasefire Bruh, I'm not reading all that post, but I agree with this. We heard that he was threatening a Thursday deadline red line, and now he's already walked back the seriousness of that when talking to the press. The sole objective is to soften Russia's approach and buy Europe time (what Europe can be expected to do is another discussion entirely) by playing toward Putin's hard-on for negotiations and legal wrangling. It's no coincidence that the Russian military is at its most effective during lulls in diplocuckery.
>>2571664That is much better than Russian and Ukrainian Proles slaughtering each other in a Kabuki theatre Inter-Imperialist Stalemate Retarded Slavic Border War for no reason but to enrich the Zionist Oligarchs that run both the Semi-Periphery Sub-Imperialist Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist Vlasovite Fascist U$/Zionist Puppet State of the “Russian Federation” and the Periphery Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist Banderite Fascist U$/Zionist Puppet State of Ukraine, until Maoist PPWs can be successfully waged in both countries to overthrow the aforementioned Bourgeois Dictatorships and reestablish the Russian SFSR and Ukrainian SSR as part of the World Maoist PPW (in the aftermath of the Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System) to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
By the way, what do my fellow comrades think of the Video of the changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years that I posted at
>>2571648 and the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts I posted at
>>2571662 , ✊😜🧬🤔?
>>2571194>Ukraine wasn't the one that started this war when it falseflagged Donetsk breaking the ceasefire and started shelling themlol
lmao
Look at this dumbfuck. Look at them and laugh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanytsia_Luhanska_kindergarten_bombing>17 February 2022This. Right here. Was a fucking lie. Russian intervention is righteous to prevent genocide Ukronazis crave.
Cope, seethe, pound sand and neck yourself, if you believe otherwise.
>>2571695Ukraine tries to kill Russian elites.
>>2571701>>2571705As I articulated in my Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Effort Post at
>>2571648 and
>>2571695 , the Russia-Ukraine War is a Kabuki theatre Inter-Imperialist Stalemate Retarded Slavic Border War in which Russian and Ukrainian Proles slaughter each other for no reason but to enrich the Duel Citizen Zionist Oligarchs that run both the Semi-Periphery Sub-Imperialist Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist Vlasovite Fascist U$/Zionist Puppet State of the “Russian Federation” and the Periphery Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist Banderite Fascist U$/Zionist Puppet State of Ukraine, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2571712Only low-level expendable Russian Generals or Schizo Vlasovite Propagandist cranks like Dugins dumb daughter are assassinated by Ukraine, but never any high-ranking Duel Citizen Zionist “Russian” Oligarchs like Abramovich, Deripaska, Rotenberg, etc., and their has never been a serious attempt on Putin either, just like Russia has never made a serious attempt on Zelensky or any high-ranking Duel Citizen Zionist “Ukrainian” Oligarchs, with Russia only assassinating low-level expendable Ukrainian Generals and Schizo Banderite “Azov Battalion” thugs, thus proving that this is a stage-managed Kabuki Theatre Inter-Imperialist/Bourgeois/Fascist War that is just as real as a “Kayfabe” WWE match, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2571662I decided to add another nice addition to the Video of the changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years that I posted at
>>2571648 by posting two more In-depth Charts of Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with various Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions (ie. Germanic, Slavic, Italic/Romance, Celtic, Baltic, Graeco-Albanian/Balkanic, Armenian, Iranian, Indo-Aryan, etc.), in comparison to various Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions in 18 Cities across Europe, West Asia, and Central Asia over the past 2600-5600 years, with both of these charts coming from the same video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJaTRFojJg of “The History of Indo-European Peoples, Languages and Ancestry from 5000 BC to 2025 AD” that cites 33 Academic articles published on Population Genetics, 😜🧬!
EU's counter peace proposal:
– Counter-proposal for a softening of the language around restricting NATO in Europe.
– Removal of territorial concessions mentioned (Donetsk and Luhansk). In the European plan, all recognitions of Russian control are removed.
– Demand for a ceasefire before determining territorial swaps, and that the current front line be the basis for any future discussions.
– Removal of the 100-day deadline for elections in Ukraine, instead saying elections will be held as soon as possible after the signing of the peace agreement.
– Removal of all references to US-Russia investment structures, rooting that Russia pays to Ukraine.
– Size of Ukraine’s military would be “capped at 800,000 in peacetime,” which is the amount of military personnel it currently has.
>>2571739This means they don't want peace
If Russia didn't launch the SMO, the ukronazis probably would have tried to solve the "problem" of the Russian people of Donbass through extermination camps as if it were 1943.
>>2571739Are they really trying bargaining tactics with Putin? Ridiculous lowball from Europe then actual offer from Trump?(which still is a bad deal for Russia)
>>2571765Because warring Russia is EU's idea. USA fostered it, but overall, USA merely wants EU's market, not to help EU become a pole of power. In fact, USA will try now to clip EU's wings, so to say, because USA's allies are worse off than it's enemies, in the end
>>2571765The EU proposal is absolutely insane. They want Russian concessions, then full ceasefire, then they can negotiate about
maybe getting Ukrainian/EU concessions. That’s the kind of deal given from a position of dominance, but Ukraine is the one approaching the verge of defeat. This is why I think the EU deal is a cooperation with the US to lowball Putin, the alternative is that Eurocrats are living in a fantasy reality
>>2571770Ok, 2 stars is a spoiler, how do you do italics
>>2571770>Eurocrats are living in a fantasy realityThis. They believe in a crazy idea that if Russia can only receive humiliating offers, then Russia will be forced to reduce it's demands. It's kind of an extension of "le whole world is on Ukraine's side" drivel - if everyone opposes the Russian peace plan, then SURELY Russia will be forced to surrender instead. The last gasp of Westoid universalism, of neoliberal belief in USA-NATO forcing it's will onto the world with no need to hear what the barbarians think about it
>>2571775Westerner diplomacy almost makes you
wish for a WW3.
>>2571767>Are they really trying bargaining tactics with Putin?They know by now that he rejects this nonsense. But they also know that he puts a few layers of gloves back on whenever there's some kind of negotiation process in play, no matter how farcical that process is. Watch the brutal strike packages fizzle and the front slow all the way down again.
>>2571648>U$/Zionist puppet states of Ukraine and Russia, who are both controlled by the same cabal of duel citizen Zionist Oligarchsit's so funny that you think exactly like neo nazis banderites in ukraine.
This is why I wish Biden had won. There'd be none of these negotiation games because the US would still refuse to speak to the thirsty Kremlin boomers. Full THD and everything settled on the battlefield, as it should be.
>>2571775The common person in the EU thinks that way, but surely the leaders must be more realistic than that to even be able to get into their positions. Material reality is what dictates how diplomacy plays out, I think anyone smart enough to make it to high positions must know this.
>>2571784I think they would have negotiated without Trump, just with less all-caps twitter ultimatums. They are desperate to end the war in any way other than total capitulation of Ukraine, they know they can’t fight on 3 fronts when the other conflict zones heat up.
>>2571775>They believe in a crazy idea that if Russia can only receive humiliating offers, then Russia will be forced to reduce it's demands.It's an insult that Russia tolerated the moment that Putin said "this is a good foundation for a peace plan." No wonder countries in Central Asia have started hedging their industrial bets with the American horse and even Belarus of all countries is giving "gestures of will" by releasing American glowies. Being seen as a doormat with no dignity has effects outside the Ukraine theater.
Hopefully this diplomatic circus will disappear again after Trump pounds Venezuela and realizes that Putin isn't going to lift a finger. We saw the same circus before Trump attacked Iran. Not sure why the Americans think Putin would do something without the indulging of his negotiation fetish, but it is what it is.
>>2571789I think a non Trump leader would still try to freeze the conflict with an agreement. The American elite know they are doomed against China if they keep fighting in Ukraine
>>2571739>Demand for a ceasefire before determining territorial swaps"Politics is a continuation of war by other means"
>>2571786Maybe the proposal is purely propaganda to justify whatever bullshit they were gonna do anyway when its inevitably rejected. Some leaders really do seem to believe it though, they have no eggs in the basket and think they are standing on principle.
There's a theory from Levan, Gilbert "lolcow" Doctorow, and others that the point of these ridiculous peace plans with the repeated media noise about Russia giving up (or at least freezing) Kherson and Zapo is not diplomatic shaping games at all but rather an effort to cause domestic problems for Putin among the hardliners by making them think he's going to make absurd concessions to the West. He doesn't help himself with his mealy-mouthed responses to such claims, either, probably fearing that America will take the heat off Zelensky if he gives more forceful responses.
Why can't Russia have a nation-respecting (and frankly self-respecting) leader who puts an official offer on some .ru government site modeled after the Istanbul proposals or whatever (four oblasts recognized as Russian, no NATO ever, etc.) and then simply tells the Americans to fuck off and quit wasting time until Ukraine is prepared to agree to all the terms?
>>2571825 (me)
In fact, the idea that it's Ukraine being stubborn and that America doesn't have any control over its puppet is ludicrous to begin with. These negotiation charades are nothing more than attempts to put a halt to effective attacks.
Would any of my fellow comrades like to give an Intellectual critique of my In-depth Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts at
>>2571662 and
>>2571728 , ✊😜🧬🤔?
>>2571803>>2571803the democraps haven't moved one inch in their staunch support to ukraine. they passed in Jul 31 the "S.2592 — “Supporting Ukraine Act of 2025” (text on congress.gov; bill filed Jul 31, 2025)" and the "H.Res.155 (119th Congress, 2025–2026)" (house resolution) ''reaffirming U.S. support for Ukraine".
I am betting everything that's what Yurop is counting to.
Just fucking ghost the Americans completely until they drag Zelensky kicking and screaming over the capitulation line or eliminate him by scandal or by bullet, which they're more likely to do when Russia isn't compliantly indulging the America-as-mediator circus. There are zoomerettes who wield power better than the Russian geriatrics.
>>2571828>>2571825Ukraine will just say "no" and start looking for other ways to jerk Russia around.
>However, Ukraine criticised Russia for demanding that Kyiv’s forces withdraw from four regions roughly where the front line runs. When the Ukrainian delegation protested the demands to give up four regions, Russian negotiators reportedly replied: “Next time it will be five.”
>"We didn't say five. We said eight."Besides, it's not like Putin's going soft during negotiations actually changes anything.
>>2571836>Ukraine will just say "no" and start looking for other ways to jerk Russia around.They can jerk their way into losing their entire country if they want. We accept these terms.
>Besides, it's not like Putin's going soft during negotiations actually changes anything.I don't know why he goes soft during negotiations to begin with. Let the GenStaff keep doing their thing instead of taking off the pressure on Ukraine during negotiations that are going nowhere anyway. This is just the latest incarnation of Zelensky's unconditional ceasefire demands. It's the third or fourth time this year, and at a certain point, it looks like they're merely giving Russia something to reject while they know they're getting Putin in soft mode for a few months to relieve the military pressure.
>>2571840>to relieve the military pressureHas this actually led to anything changing on the battlefield?
>>2571825they already proposed Istanbul accords, ukies, boris johnson and europe in general sabotaged it. zelya had a honesty glimpse in the days of the Istanbul accord stating that, but no one paid attention.
whatever proposal they put on the table makes no sense, because that's the best they could get under 2022 terms. now that they don't want any deal, the only thing is move forward until the losing (ukie) side ends the silly attitude.
>>2571842We get the most kino strikes and battlefield breakthroughs whenever there's a lull in negotiations.
>>2571739The supremacist mindset of european elites can't accept reality. They also know they can't do anything to Russia without the US, but they're betting on Trump caving and flip-flopping like he always has before. They know he'll never actually cut Ukraine off. The neo-cons don't want that and he never crosses the neo-cons (because he is one). The euros can therefore reject his plan and there is no "or else" coming. Trump will be stuck continuing on like before.
Doesn't matter though. Ukraine's collapse is only accelerating now. If the West wants to just keep digging then Russia will just continue grinding until Ukraine is totally defeated and either surrenders or disappears, which is probably better anyway.
>>2571845That was Istanbul 1 in 2022. Istanbul 2 was a couple of years later and included the demands for the four oblasts. I'm happy with the Istanbul 2 demands.
>>2571849I prefer them crying about Russia's strikes and breakthroughs. Their crying about Orange Man's negotiation proposals would be enjoyable if he was ever actually going to kill weapons and intel support, but they know they just have to squeak loud enough and he backs down.
>>2571831>Would any of my fellow comrades like to give an Intellectual critique of my In depth Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts at >>2571662 and >>2571728 , ✊😜 🤔?Would you say you have a thriving sex life, KL?
No more Wunderwaffe.
No more Richard Kemp articles.
>>2571867That's just asking for a Dickhead Tax.
>>2571867Better, at the G20 summit:
>Washington should not overestimate its role in the international arena, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has said, adding that a wide range of issues can be resolved without US involvement. The economic “center of gravity” is also shifting away from America, he told journalists on the sidelines of the G20 summit over the weekend.Even better:
>The US skipped the meeting, held in Johannesburg, South Africa. US President Donald Trump has accused the country of perpetrating a genocide against white farmers, which he gave as the reason for his absence. This NABU thing isn't making any sense to me.
When Zelensky tried to shut it down earlier this year, both the Europeans and the Americans screamed at him. The Westoid politician terror on both sides of the Atlantic was palpable. That indicates that folks are likely correct in calling it some kind of inter-Atlantic joint spook effort run by entities with enough power to topple Western governments.
Okay, fine, so what's the point of making Zelensky miserable then if he's never shown any indication of wanting to cave to a peace deal and if there's no apparent desire to force him to sign one?
>>2571873It's not about regime change, it's about theater. They're idealists, don't think about it too hard. You know those
propag colourful maps Western Think Tanks keep pumping out where West Good - Rest Bad? Corruption is one of them. Shutting down anti-corruption "muh institutitions" looks bad.
>>2571873 (me)
Like, it's undeniably a huge blow to Zelensky's government and domestic cohesion, yet at the same time the West seems happy to let him keep going as president doing what he's been doing for years with his stubborn unwillingness to give Russia anything. So what was the point of the exercise?
>>2571873>what's the point of making Zelensky miserablebecause he signed a decree allowing young men to leave the country (18 to whatever age starts conscription/forced mobilization). the two things overlap: countries screaming at zelya scandal are the same screaming that he must take back a lot of ukrainian men.
internally zelya now has a real trouble if he really trashes the decree and decides to make an absolute effort to bring back these people.
>>2571877He played the Russia card again, calling it Russian infiltrated, but for the first time the West didn't oblige him. Weird, no? It's not like they're angels or anything who shy away from corruption themselves.
>>2571860That’s a dumb gotcha question, like, it is common knowledge that nobody who posts on a Imageboard (and probably nobody who spends lots of time on the Internet more broadly) has one, but I will take your snarky response to mean that you did not like the In-depth Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts I posted at
>>2571662 and
>>2571728 , 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🧬🤔?
>>2571879Ah, are they trying to pressure him into doing those mobilizations he's resisted doing?
>>2571886it seems so. but the oddities come more from the front lines. nazis/ultranationalistic units see with skepticism the moves against zelya for the corruption scandal because they know these are evadniks NGOs (NABU and SAPO are heavily western-financed, NABU more with literal western people working there) where their people want war for years, something it's not sustainable for these nazis/ultras, but at the same time they felt it was a poor move the decree that allowed these young men to leave ukraine.
>>2571884>it is common knowledge that nobody who posts on a Imageboard (and probably nobody who spends lots of time on the Internet more broadly) has oneI don't deny it, bro, but I definitely feel that my frequent visits to massage parlors for a massage with extras protect me from the worst manifestations of sexual frustration like producing meticulous autosomal DNA ancestry charts.
>>2571888I didn’t make the In-depth Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts I posted at
>>2571662 and
>>2571728 , they all came from the same video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJaTRFojJg of “The History of Indo-European Peoples, Languages and Ancestry from 5000 BC to 2025 AD” that cites 33 Academic articles published on Population Genetics, ✊😜🧬! I also feel that it is important to note that not everybody cares that much about having a “thriving sex life”, like, making this the only thing you think about often times indicates serious psychological problems, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
Anyone else ever had a dream with Zelensky in it? I had a dream set in a library (probably because I'd visited the library a few hours before sleeping). Every time I'd reach for a book, he'd take it first and put it into his bag. I was becoming super irate and woke up with my heart pounding.
>>2571893>I didn’t make the In-depth Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts I posted at >>2571662 and >>2571728 Pfft, you're just using your replies to me as a chance to post the links again. I'm hurt.
>>2571898you are watching too much zelya news in his X account. log off and refreshen your brain.
I've never had, in the 10 years following this conflict, a dream related to these events.
I blame this general. I usually scrooooll leftypol generals before bed.
>>2571898If this is true and not a joke, it means you have spent way to much time focusing on the Kabuki theatre Inter-Imperialist Stalemate Retarded Slavic Border War between the Semi-Periphery Sub-Imperialist Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist Vlasovite Fascist U$/Zionist Puppet State of the “Russian Federation” and the Periphery Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist Banderite Fascist U$/Zionist Puppet State of Ukraine, to the point that you have given yourself serious psychological damage and need to quit your unhealthy obsession with the affairs of Anti-Communist Bourgeois Fascist Slavic Shithole countries, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2571899Can you at least admit that the In-depth Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts in the video I posted are very interesting, as the person who made them put a lot of effort into them, and they are based on 33 Academic Articles published on Population Genetics, ✊😜🧬🤔?
yes but what about the skull dimensions?
Oh king Lear, what is it that you fear and turns you up a gear, the truth will we ever hear? Hopefully revelations are near and no longer will you shed a tear, your life will be full of cheer.
>>2571898I hate it when that happens (Zelenky GIVASing my books)!!!
>>2571907>Can you at least admit that the In-depth Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts in the video I posted are very interestingI don't have any substantive criticism, if that's what you're worried about. I reassure you that I haven't looked at your charts at all.
>>2571923kek, I thought my interest in occult nonsense was unbecoming of a leftist, but King Lear is sitting around in his room literally flirting with /pol/-tier sperg slop.
>>2571963>Max Boot telling us the boot has not been maximised, we must maximise the boot over the EU other wise we’re at risk of the Russian bootlol
Meh, I really wanted the other shoe to drop with NABU, but looks like Zelensky is gonna weasel his way out of having damaging information released because all his Westoid masters seem content now with what he's doing.
Remember Bucha? The Kremlin could very easily request in private that the US demonstrate its good faith (lmao) as a mediator (lmao) by using its intel services to reveal the truth surrounding Bucha. Any refusal should quickly persuade even the densest Kremlinoid that the US can't be trusted.
So if this peace treaty is accepted, which it probably won't, do American firms still have their extortionate stakes in Ukrainian land?
>>2571972Why does his name sound like something out of '80s manga?
>>2571987>Boot was born in Moscow.[12] His parents and grandmother, all Russian Jews, emigrated from the Soviet Union, his father in 1973 to New York, and he and his mother and grandmother in 1976 to Los Angeles, where he was raised and eventually gained naturalized U.S. citizenshipthat can't be his real name
>>2571980Zelensky is basically untouchable because no one wants the power struggle at such an in-opportune moment his removal would cause. No amount of corruption therefore is going to result in him being deposed, the west will tolerate money being stolen wholesale so long as the NABU can exist to attempt to stop it and the corrupt officials aren’t going to coup Zelensky out of fear of the NABU so long as they allowed to peace out with the money to another country after being exposed.
Of course corruption has been the primary political motivator for the Ukrainian public, one does wonder why Serbians have been able to destabilise the Vuvic government over a collapsed roof at a train station and Georgians have repeatedly try to take over government buildings in protests against the foreign agents law, yet corruption at its most egregious during a war of survival doesn’t seem to stir the Ukrainians into action against the Zelensky regime despite voting for him explicitly against corruption.
Rly maeks 1 fink
>>2572002ok i stand corrected i thought it was a case of benjamin netanyahu and his cronies changing their names as they arrived in palestine
>>2572003he was probably Maxim Boot and then shortened his first name to sound more american
There was a US Congressman named Dick Swett:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t27K053wagw>>2571971In-depth Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts that cite 33 Academic Articles published on Population Genetics at major Universities (including Harvard) are not “/pol/-tier sperg slop”, as anyone who rejects mainstream Science is essentially a De Facto Flat Earth Evangelical Protestant Christian Zionist Young Earth Creationist Homophobic Sexist Racist Redneck, and the USSR recognized Traditional Physical Anthropology (ie. Racial Typology of major Human Racial groups including Caucasoids, Negroids, Mongoloids, and Australoids, and their Subraces) as a legitimate Science in line with Marxism-Leninism, so their is absolutely nothing problematic about Modern Population Genetics unless you are a Liberal Idealist Postmodern Anarchist who rejects the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , denies the existence of Nations/Ethnic groups and believes that their are no detectable Genetic differences between any Human populations and that everyone looks the same, and I would argue that engaging in Occultism or holding any Religious beliefs immediately disqualifies you from embracing the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, and would earn you a Dunce Cap, Struggle Session, and a trip to a Reeducation Camp during the Global Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR (it would have done the same in the IRL Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in Maoist China), ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️🧬!
>>2572025What are the practical, normative consequences of the knowledge represented in your charts? What ought we to do with it from a leftist POV? Presumably you don't pursue descriptive knowledge for its own sake, otherwise you could just as readily post charts of postal stamps used in Lisbon in the '70s.
Seems the latest on X is that it now doxxes the location of accounts, NAFO were ostensibly holding their breaths over the grand revelation that all pro-Russian xitter accounts were created and operated in Russia as part of the mythologised troll farms… but it seems most of them are indeed from outside of Russia.
Damage control is that somehow it’s traitorous hypocrisy to be pro-Russian when you’re not a Russian, while demanding your own nation to be bankrupted in support of Ukraine despite the corruption is not traitorous.
>>2572033Okay, but how is that any different from the /pol/-tier sperg slop that uses the existence of ethnic variation to argue for ethnostates? It seems to be the same kind of ethnic essentialism ultimately, only with leftist window dressing. The amount of character variation within each ethnicity makes the exercise seem arbitrary, if not downright suspect. Why, for instance, wouldn't it make more sense to divide up the planet between jocks, nerds, goths, and skaters?
>>2572037It seems he just wants to have one country per large language group on each continent. Which… seems reasonable, although I pesonally am not sure that people like, say, Estonians deserve to have their own country.
>>2572038Wait, his map already has independent Finland for Uralic languages. Lear, just mege eSStonia into Finalnd to be consistent please.
I now think there's actually something to these rumors of tension between Lavrov and Putin. I've been watching the man for years, and he's been uncharacteristically invisible. I suspect it has something to do with Kirill Dmitriev and the older rumors that the foreign ministry can't stand him.
It all started after the Budapest cancellation when Deputy FM Ryabkov and Lavrov called the diplomatic track exhausted. Putin then immediately dispatched Kirill to America to suck MAGA cock some more.
Endless hilarity when you summarise all global politics through the lens of leaders sucking each other’s cocks and cucking each other
>>2570922
Just got promoted to Ozeki, the second highest rank. Pretty cool tbh. Very talented wrestler obviously, might even become the first Yokozuna from Europe
>>2572053I make an exception for Kirill because he's objectively a MAGA cocksucker. See all the regularly spammed tweets where he says Trump walks like a king and is the daddy of the Western world, etc.
The guy's biography glows like crazy too. I hope the FSB is all over the fucker.
>>2572067he's not got a real position in any ministry like Lavrov, he's some sort of presidential envoy. he's obviously a frontman for the pro-MAGA, pro-trump cocksucking lobby for goldman sachs, hedge funds, sign any deal possible so the world can go back to the way it was pre-2022 and they can jet off to london and manhattan and play with their oligarch gadgets and toys.
>>2572069It's gonna have to dawn on some of these Russians eventually that America doesn't give a shit about mutually beneficial business deals and just wants to see Russia burn.
>>2572074its obvious to you, me, some of the russians. i see this people as the old white emigres after the bolshevik revolution. they just desperately wanted to go back the way things were when they had vast estates and could beat servants to death, but there's no way. any deal is obviously just a temporary pause so they can restart it in 5-10 years. but they still cling to this myth that if they somehow reach MAGA they can be treated as great power equals.
>>2572074>>2572086To be fair, I’ve no doubt there are people on the US side who feel like the division of the world between the US and Soviet aligned worlds in the Cold War was preferable. That doing an “Afghanistan” or a “Vietnam” was a safer and probably more effective form of proxy warfare compared to marching up to the Russian border and launching missiles directly into Russia itself to instigate its collapse.
I dare say those people are wiser to look at winning the Cold War and question why this time around it needs to be more risky, more aggressive, more deniable that detente was their ideal situation.
Whereas the status quo in the US does seem to take the attitude of
>we won the Cold War, thus it would be an aberration to negotiate with the losers now
regardless of the facts on the ground and what they’ll likely have to do to avoid genuine diplomacy
<16 Tu-22m3 bombers in the air heading towards Olenya airfield
This is reassuring, ngl. I thought the big strike packages had ended because of the negotiation circus. Guess not.
Russia gives zero fucks about Dump's con games now.
Theory: The US wants to eliminate Maduro but is worried that this will give Russia all the cover it needs to take out any members of the Zelensky regime it may want to take out. Hence the rush to get some kind of deal signed. IOW, it's related to Venezuela but not for the most common reason floating around (wanting to reassign ISR and other assets to Venezuela).
Why has Russia kidnapped so many Ukrainian kids? Or is that all lies?
>>25721332/10. You deserve a couple of points for adding a whiff of sincerity to the first question with the second question.
there are some fissures showing up in the Rada.
>>2571993not necessarily true. once the powers behind zelya reach to an agreement, they can easily transition to a new guy without power struggles. though, zelya could battle, if everyone turns on him that's something unwinnable.
>>2571963that Max guy is wrong. Putin welcomed the proposal, though it wasn't of his liking, it was described as a step towards a reasonable agreement.
>>2572133<evacuating children from an active warzone = genocidelmao
Hi, r/Europe! Im a european bureaucrat and here's my propasal to end Ruzzian War of Agression (i was given 1 000 000 000€ to prepare this draft) :
- Russia will have to rename itself Muzzcovy
- Every oblast except Mozzcow and St-Peterzzburg must be freed from Muzzcovian imperialism
- Only elue-eyed peoples will be allowed to be resident of Ukraine
- Every resident of Ukraine will have to do a DNA test
- Crimea will be directly controled by an Pan-European Commission Bureau
- Putin must be extradited and be executed in Kyiv
what comes after the EU falls? I am hearing about Germany getting more imperial again. Or will it balkanize? Or will it keep withering for another century and reach an equilibrium when India starts outsourcing jobs to Europe? What is the more realistic scenario?
>>2572194Get your brain our of HOI4.
The EU will continue to consolidate because it must if the European capitalist countries have any desire to continue growth or stunt decline. By the looks of things, industry will be diverted to the Eastern European states.
>>2572141I think even if the Zelensky faction come up with a new leader to replace him, they'd have no more of a mandate to install him than any other faction that wants their guy in charge.
>>2572204peaceful consolidation is wishful thinking
>>2572220>peacefulIt won't be peaceful for the average person, but it will happen anyway because porky needs it to happen.
All the demsocs and zizekoids and anarchists are seething about yanis varoufakis today because he deviated from the approved narrative and said "their are fascists on both sides" in regards to the war, instead of just blindly siding with ukraine
what do you think of that? please communists respond only, not banderite or duginite schizoposters.
>>2572231There are fascists on both sides. The only difference in this matter is that the fascists in Ukraine and directly rooted into government and have dictated many of their governmental policies since euromaiden.
>>2572219
>they'd have no more of a mandate to install him than any other faction that wants their guy in charge.nah, the mandate is decided in Washington and Brussels. in there, they write off the checks, and since money is power, well, everyone else has to shrug it or be forced to accept it.
point is, they are going to press zelya to shred his decree, and pass another law to force mobilization from the 18 yo.
Either zelya does it, or simply gets overthrown.
>Eastern Ukraine becomes a maze of anti tank barricades, mines and walls with an international group of western troops guarding it
Welcome back 1961.
>>2572141>there are some fissures showing up in the Rada.Not enough, it seems. The orange fat fuck has helped Zelensky rally a skeptical Ukrainian public around him in recent days.
Clock is ticking. Suck up and accept the terms and end this bloodshed.
>>2572133>>2572145Why are there so many accounts of them being kidnapped though? Are the kids being paid to day that?
>>2572311What accounts
Where
By who
Lukashenko status???
>>2572231they should all sign up. ukraine needs men.
>>2572425Critically supporting qanon to destabilize the imperial core is praxis
>>2572425Critically supporting nazis and other far right vermin because Russia funds them.
>>2572084I call them barbarians living in the post-apocalyptic remnants of the Soviet Union.
>>2572231Most of the fascists from Russia went to Ukraine, though?
>>2572425The Russians are Reactionary Christian Zionist Nationalist Vlasovite Fascist QAnon Republican MAGAtards, and the Ukrainians are Reactionary Christian Zionist Nationalist Banderite Fascists who will LARP as either QAnon Republican MAGAtards or “Woke” Centrist Neoliberal Democrats depending on which Party is in the White House, this is what these two Slavic Nations, that once were the most Progressive amongst the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World, have degenerated into since the Khrushchevite Social Imperialist Social Fascist Revisionist clique seized power in 1953, the Gorbachev Capitalist Perestroika/Glasnost “reforms” in 1985, and the phony 1991 “Project Hammer” Coup attempt which officially dissolved the USSR in 1991, what a Fucking Tragedy, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2572231I can remain a consistent ML while enjoying Zizek, having my well founded criticism of his geopol/history idiocies, while understanding rhe impprtance of his work.
(This blows you're mind, I know.)
>>2572676Zizek is an interesting media critic.
>>2572676>rhe impprtance of his work.it doesnt have any
>>2572307>U.S. flips on UkraineMercouris is smoking something heavy again. I'm ashamed that I used to believe he was the sharp Duran bro while Alex C was some literal-who vlogger bro with a laptop, but time has shown that it's the other way around.
>Karolyin Leavitt: The United States is still sending or selling a big amount of weapons to NATO. We cannot do that forever.
>>2572731hes good for learning dialectics if you listen to his lectures and supplement with other authors but i think his recent work has gotten worse
>>2572731This. Obscurantism is the mark of the intellectual coward. We've seen how 'profound' his insight really is when he opines on something political in plain language: a bunch of low-brow neolib slogans that are a dime a dozen in The Atlantic, NYT, etc.
This is an interimperialist struggle between imperialist fronts. It is this simple, really.
>>2572878He's bad for that. Parenti is 100500 better for understanding the world - and therefore dialectics. Zizek is just a meme parasite, basically a (far) leftist Peterson - similarly absolutely irrelevant to reality, talking about his imaginary nonsense, and all his worth being in the memes about him instead of his thought.
>>2572963You just replaced metaphysics with dialectics didnt you?
>>2572425The US is also lead by qanon schizos like Mike Flynn, case closed dr. cia
>>2571963The dissonance from sending ukraine on a suicide mission in order to save them is seeping in
>>2572962Change "interimperialist struggle" to "interoligarch struggle where only proles get killed" and you've got yourself a deal.
>Peskov: The Kremlin is monitoring reports of a meeting between Russian and US representatives in Abu Dhabi, but so far there are no new developments
lmao, I see at least four possibilities here:
(A) it's completely innocent misinformation and miscommunication
(B) the Kremlin is ashamed of something it knows it's doing, such as sending Kirill and bypassing the Russian foreign ministry again
(C) Kirill and his wealthy backers have gone completely rogue, bypassing the Russian foreign ministry and Putin
(D) the US is really going to use its information dominance to lie completely about a Russian agreement for some unknown gain
>>2572974Zizek is metaphysical
Would Putin be at risk of an immediate hardliner coup if the US manufactured the tale that he's accepted something unconscionable, like returning the four oblasts in return for some G8 bullshit and the Putin-Trump tunnel? Or would the window of time be too small before Russia realizes the US is bullshitting?
My running theory is that Putin has indeed been offering major cuck concessions that have been reported in Western media and that wouldn't fly with the Russian public, like returning two of the four oblasts, but that he's not serious about cucking and is only trying to make Zelensky look unreasonable. Hence why he's so cagey about the "Anchorage understanding."
Sorry, a lot of these posts are mine. I'm just spamming ideas as they occur to me, kek.
>>2573035uhm ukraine sisters… why is "russia" written with a capital letter? I think he is a katsap agent
>>2573038he even has a Z in his name
war is over
(if you want it)
>>2573083I don't. The demilitarization goal is coming along nicely, but the denazification goal still has plenty to be done and can't be achieved unless the Zelensky regime is eliminated by pen or otherwise.
Based Russian air defence intercepting a ziggernazi's apartment
billions must stop war mongering and wanting more arms companies to make a gazillion dollors
billions of nazi- I mean liberals must seethe at peace
>>2573119When Russia seizes Gulyaipole hopefully we will see the Makhno commemorations destoryed and a Lenin statue standing tall above.
>>2573138>"Ruzzia lost" simulator is realI can't wait for the end of war so we can have AAA FPS with Ukrainian cities fully modelized
STABBED IN THE BACK! STABBED IN THE BACK!
We're almost there, finally! are you ready for the show, anons?
2 days till zero time
the capitalist mode of production demands no more war
>>2573026>but that he's not serious about cucking and is only trying to make Zelensky look unreasonable. My thoughts exactly. Diplomatic psyop.
cucktin fatigue
>>2572891it has nothing to do with "obscurantism" (aka booklet cope), he is just not an original thinker
>>2572878>hes good for learning dialecticsjust read an intro to hegel, zizek is bs
>>2573166Obscurantism is one of the favored devices of unoriginal thinkers.
>>2573169>just read an intro to hegelThis is probably why you're reluctant to call Zizek an obscurantist, which he is. Hegel is often unfairly maligned as an obscurantist, so the criticism leaves a bad taste in general. But this criticism absolutely applies to Zizek, who spends a great deal of effort trying to hide the banality of his ideas in elaborate prose.
Dont read hegel just read Capital 1. Marx presents value form dialectically there.
>>2573175I dont care about the "obscurantism" buzzword because its mainly used by people who get filtered by dense works beause they didnt put in the work of learning the required theoric background. If you are not interested in doing that thats ok but dont dismiss everyone who filters you as an obscurantist. Not everyone can write like Hume, some people just suck at writing.
>>2573182Yeah I preffer to just call him a retard and a fraud, but I get it.
>Putin: We accept most of the American plan in its original form
…he's just stringing Trump along still, right? R-r-r-right? Basically gonna apply his legal autism to this peace proposal for years while Russia mops up territory? Right?
>>2573192What does it matter?
>>2573191>Not everyone can write like Hume, some people just suck at writing.This was Kant's excuse in the Prolegomena, yet for some reason he could make this Prolegomena highly readable :/ Kant is an unusual case, tho, because his monstrous style in the first Critique actually has something of value behind it. With Zizek, there's nothing of value.
>>2573194It doesn't if that's what he's doing. If he's serious, though, oh boy…
>>2573199He is ex fsb. Who do you take him for?
>>2573201The fact that many pro-Russians fear a Minsk 3 agreement and not a Minsk 1 agreement is an instructive answer to that question, I think.
>>2573016 (me)
>(C) Kirill and his wealthy backers have gone completely rogue, bypassing the Russian foreign ministry and PutinI'm seeing lots of TG chatter along these lines lmao but haven't seen any solid confirmation…
>>2573208 (me)
The rumor going around is that Kirill (whether alone or with some other oligarch) has basically taken it upon himself to meet Witkoff again and that the Americans are reporting these as official US-Russia meetings. He's trying to make the Kremlin proud but is apparently causing lots of consternation.
>>2573229Russia clearly did this as a false flag false flag, knowing that nobody would buy the amateurish paint job.
kyyiivvv
>>2573281Russians will democratically decide whether it was or not.
>>2573281>all these young men>young menReally?
>>2573286young men, old men - the cattle cucktin sent to the slaughter
>>2573289>cucktin sentYou believe in a great man theory though
>>2573294is it wrong to say that hitler started ww2?
>>2573298i agree; do you think putin would ever compromise on this fuck-up?
>>2573298Every day even more people die because of capitalism, okay?
>>2573295It would be right in accordance with bourgeois ideology.
>>2573309so how do you explain the beginning of ww2?
>>2573307That's the America-as-mediator nonsense the Kremlinoids nauseatingly pretend to believe (at least I hope it's only pretending). America has complete control over Zelensky and its EU vassals. If they're not cooperating, it's because it's the American design for them not to cooperate.
>>2573307>yeswhat would putin compromise on? he has went all-in on this and has no intention of surrendering.
>>2573316The compromise would be he stops advancing his army and retains his gains.
>>2573315I do think the US has the foot on the gas, just that Zelensky has his own considerations that are separate from the US in that some nazi might come blow him up if he surrenders too hard.
>>2573313I am not a master of science and historic materialism dialectics stuff. This is just your appeal to the absence of alternatives in this thread. If you want to learn you could find it probably. But you are not interested in that.
>>2573320so by compromise you mean threaten?
we have already seen the paper tiger whimper, its just a shame that this spectacle requires so much death.
>>2573322you dont need to be a master to know basic history; hitler started ww2 by invading poland, refusing to negotiate with the british or france and thereby forcing war.
>>2573318Supposedly this stupid peace plan arose during the Dmitriev-Witkoff meeting the day or two after the Putin-Trump Budapest meeting proposal fell flat. There are reports that Witkoff bypassed Rubio and Dmitriev bypassed Lavrov lmao.
>>2573330Putins army is winning by a long shot, you dont ask the side who is advancing to compromise, you compromise with them.
I do believe the US actually wants peace at the moment, its the same reason why the recent Pakistan border skrimish got iced quickly, when US military gear starts getting blown up by 3rd world military units it threatens to tank the perceived military dominance US military gear has.
Like with that, the longer the Ukraine war goes on the more shit NATO-oid equipment begins to look, which in turn devalues the entire military sector the west is built on.
The war wasn't "worth it" because no imperialist war is. But it shows the major cracks that are forming in the American-led political economic system.
>>2573335>Putins army is winning by a long shotwinning what? a country that hates russians?
what is the plan here, exactly? putin is just a prideful warmonger, not an intelligent statesman. i hope that he is tortured to death by his own people.
>>2573345>a country that hates russians?Yes. That country paid for hating Russians by losing one fifth of its territory, as well as its economy, industry and demographics forever.
They could have even kept Crimea if they had the slightest bit of foresight, but they decided that suiciding themselves against Russia is more important than anything. Sucks. That's what fascism does to your brain.
>>2573345Yep
The plan is Putin gets all the money generated from the natural resources while Ukraine gets to collapse in 10 years from mas displacement of men.
Do ukrainians really hate russians? I think they dont care.
>>2573364so its a genocide of ukrainians, then?
>>2573365I think the difference is more akin to a local dialect than an entirely different language, English vs Scots really.
In the eastern side of Ukraine they mostly consider themselves Russians anyway, this is mostly a consequence of people putting borders where they didn't belong in the fallout of the USSR - its the sort of arbitrariness that Korea was subjected too.
>>2573365War will make anyone hate their perceived enemy. When WWII began Germans and Italians in England were at risk at having their petite bourgeois businesses smashed up and most were sent to an internment camp. Or how in WW1 Germans were so despised if you had a Dachshund in London people would kick it. It's irrational hatred and this shit will just burn for generations to come.
>>2573368If it was going to be a genocide I think Ukraine would have been glassed within the first few months, as it stands its more likely to be a germany situation of them refusing to surrender and having 50 years of humiliation.
>>2573373why would they surrend? again, its just threats of even more bloodshed, not any mutual beneft.
>>2573379You think during WW2 if the German army surrendered before the Red Army breached the borders of Germany it would have saved a lot of peoples lives?
Thats why, make an agreement now and prevent the Russian army from just taking everything, which they will do on a long enough timescale.
>>2573381>You think during WW2 if the German army surrendered before the Red Army breached the borders of Germany it would have saved a lot of peoples lives?People usually say the Soviets wouldn't have accepted it but the Romanians literally switched sides Italian-style in 1944 and the Soviets accepted it.
>>2573335Ukraine isn't winning, which is why it's begging for a ceasefire. Winners don't beg for ceasefires.
But there's something not right about the way Russian officials conduct themselves with respect to America, either. Winners don't behave that deferentially to aggressors. I don't know what it is.
>>2573381germany invaded russia first.
ukraine didnt invade russia, so this comparison fails.
again, you are justifying naked imperialism; what can i even say? you are a partisan of putin for no good reason, so i cant make sense to you.
>>2573387Go ahead, dont support a peace plan, let 100,000 more men die and then come back to me.
You're the one waxing lyrical over this war, if you want it to continue go and join the front lines and win it yourself champ.
The working class do not deserve to die for this, peace should have happened yesterday, I could care less about where the borders are drawn.
>>2573426i want a peace plan, but we clearly need putin to die first.
>>2573434why would they?
russia or ukraine has nothing to gain from this war.
>>2573387bro put down the crack pipe, if neither had nothing to gain we wouldnt be here.
>>2573365War is a bitch. The second international died exactly because people are usually not able to keep their heads straight in such an environment, it really takes enormous discipline and will. I know I failed to keep my head straight during SMO and probably still don't have it straight. The average Ukrainian or Russian is far less able to not be affected by it than Kautsky was.
The hatred will end quite soon after the war ends for most people, especially since it looks like the plans for any pro-western portion of Ukraine still existing because muh ceasefire seem to be done for. The ones who speak English will keep hating because they moved and why would they stop the thing that got them integrated into the new society, but those are still not such a big chunk of the population and will also stop being Ukrainian in any meaningful way even sooner than one generation. They will pretend they represent Ukrainians. They don't, it's not possible for them to do so because they are outliers in a much bigger population that would gladly go back to having the extent of their relationship with Great Britain as "we know its capital is London".
>>2573387>germany invaded russia first.2014 days before overthrowing yanukovich, western ukraine literally threatened to go to war seceding from ukraine if their demands weren't met, lmao.
now they can cry a river,
you, in fact, can cry a river.
>>2573458yea, the true fascist banderites are reserved for blocking units to keep the kidnapping victims/conscripts on the frontlines from going AWOL, they would never risk their own, they are saving their numbers to take over the region/orchestrate a fascist insurgency.
>>2573550If all the fascists are in blocking units, why don't frontline units just surrender?
>>2573682they do, usually after being encircled and thus cutoff from the barrier units
>>2573684A standing army of 800k, btw.
Is there a tldr: for this bill they signed?
>>2573708>billThey haven't signed it yet.
>>2573780
>peace is bloody
huh?
>>2573780>>2573785NEOLIBERAL AWARD CEREMONY:
>EU NATO BADGE >AUSTRIA ALBANIA BADGE>UKRAINE KOSOVO BADGE>AUSTRIA KOSOVO BADGE>AUSTRIA NATO BADGE>CHINESE TEIPEI AUSTRIA BADGE>ISRAEL NATO BADGE >POPPY OF REMEMBRANCE >USA AUSTRIA BADGE>>2573792Why? That's a WW1 thing. I don't remember any brave Ukrainian patriots at Flanders Fields.
>>2573793they're cargo cultists like that
>>2573780
I thought the third installment of "Austrian starts a world war" wasn't going to be a farce.
>>2573791
I made that in 2022 when the war started. I'm so glad people still post it lol
>>2573780
Gooner Fingerlicker back at it again with another NAFO banger
>>2573793They chose not to believe in USSR's victory of Germany on 9th of May, so they instead celebrate 8th of May with this gaping anus
Putin tolerates American strikes on his homeland, America killing his troops by proxy, and all kinds of diplomatic insults because he's obviously not confident that America needs Russia more than Russia needs America, despite his proud poker face in selling super-discount commodities to China. The Americans are prepared to sever all ties, but Russia is not. Won't even kill uranium deliveries as retaliation for sanctions.
>>2573942 (me)
He also probably doubts the political will of the Russian ruling class to hold his Ukrainian oblasts in spite of Russia's military capability to do so, especially once he kicks the bucket. One look at Dmitriev, and it's easy to understand his doubts.
>>2573564Ah yes, feeding into the Kremlin's pusillanimous "Trump is a peacemaker - he deserved the Nobel even - but it's those darn Europeans and Zelensky" gimmick, as if the Americans don't have their puppets on a short string. Anything to delay the acknowledgement that America is a ruthless adversary, not a potential business partner.
>>2573682They use drones to kill deserters now, they will drone any Ukrainians they see waving a white flag
Trump all but confirms that the Bloomberg Witkoff-Ushakov transcript is legitimate by calling it a standard negotiation instead of fake news.
lmao lmao
Of course, the libs are screaming treason on Witkoff's part, whereas he's actually just scheming against the Kremlin boomers with Trump's full knowledge.
Absolutely based Agent Z, Euroids, and American spooks refusing to let Putin call it quits with Minsk 3.
>>2573387Ukraine was going to launch an attack to donbass in 2022 by the behest of the west. Most likely start pogroming the russian speakers and everybody who was loyal to the separatist cause, be their civilian or soldier. There was going to be a war in 2022 with or without Russia. There is a separation between those who marched over the border of the other first and those who are guilty side of this war. Your conserntrolling won't work in this.
>>2573780
shush! Fehlinger is completely harmless. May he grift the NATOids forever.
Don the Con 100% deserves all the pain he's getting lately wrt Ukraine. Any self-respecting "strong man" would've dropped Zelensky like a hot potato in January after Z's role in the impeachment thing (and likely one or two assassination attempts as well).
>>2573792That really is just bad graphic design no matter the way you look at it.
>>2574057I was thinking it more like as the sore asshole of the butthurt belt, but that works too.
>>2573780
Lmfao extremely powerful soyout
>>2573458The problem with negotiations for Ukraine isn't just the humiliation of bandirism, loss of territory, loss of state viability, etc. It's the talk of peace. If people start to think that peace is months or weeks away it becomes even harder to keep soldiers fighting and dying and justify repression of the people. It can become an escalating collapse of fronts and will to keep fighting that Russia would exploit.
>>2574071>they were always going to start a war with Russia, because of CrimeaSucks to suck.
>>2573942That the Ukrainians charged headlong into open warfare with Russia, confident that ostensibly NATO is behind them, betrays the narrative of an all-powerful world defining US MIC as more than just a plot point in Hollywood movies and Call of Duty.
It was in fact a narrative that had a lot of cachet with global leaders, the US trying to cut its rather small losses and attempting to avoid the situation is considerably more damaging for their image, than Russia's image is harmed by offering to indulge the US's desire to discard their self-bestowed responsibilities after hyping themselves and their allies up that Russia wouldn't last two weeks.
Actually that would be pretty damaging if the US
successfully decided this is a problem for the EU that they trust can handle alone, more damaging is what actually happened with the stumbling between assertions of tough love with the EU, looking out for No.1, bringing some sense into Ukrainian leadership and then reversals for each when the EU, the US "swamp" and Ukraine kick and scream and cry enough about what a bitch the White House is being.
There's just no way anyone can look at this situation and think Russia going from being told they'd never need to be consulted about anything NATO does on their borders, to having Putin welcomed to the US itself to discuss peaceful terms, is embarrassing for Russia.
Asked aboard Air Force One if Witkoff was “coaching” the Russians on how to deal with him, Trump said he was unaware of the alleged leak. He called Witkoff’s approach “standard,” adding that the envoy, a former real estate developer, had to “sell” terms to both Russia and Ukraine.
“That’s what a dealmaker does. You got to say, ‘Look, they want this – you got to convince them with this.’ That’s a very standard form of negotiations,” Trump said. “I would imagine he’s saying the same thing to Ukraine. Each party has to give and take,” he added.
Asked if Witkoff was being “too pro-Russian,” Trump said no.
>STUUFING YOUR FACE AS USUAL, GARFIELF?
<JON, I'VE GOTTA HAVE A GOOD DEAL
>>2573281What do you even do on this board? nafoids don't give a flying fuck about Ukrainian civilians, nor do they want to stop the war so I don't get why any radlib anti-warist wold go for that. You are not funny, not even in a sense that that you create conversation or that it's funny to dunk on you, nor are you even demoralizing anybody. I question why would anybody bother to bot this god forbidden north korean eel suyghling forum. Even just cynical trolling totally escapes me.
Funny story. We have a new Bulgarian collegue called Veselin. Naturally, everyone started calling him Vaseline out of workplace bantz. Today we told him we will give him a proper Ukrainian name: Vaselyyn Lubrikatorovich.
He was not amused.
Laughed my ass off.
Has Zolonsko relented yet? The clock is ticking. Are the western imperialists going to splinter further because of this decision or will they stick to it because there is no other option?
>>2574098kek
>>2574097Good morning. No one cares about ukraine or ukrainians, not even their most ardent alleged "supporters". They just want to punish Russia, no matter the cost for ukrainians who are just a disposable tool. Just look at their narrative even itt: they don't care that 1/5 of ukraine is still occupied or how severe ukrainian losses are, it's all haha russians are advancing too slowly and at what cost.
I'd honestly feel bad for ukrainians if they didn't choose this.
>>2574108I do feel bad for Ukrainians because they didn't choose this.
>>2574110Some of them did, but most of them are dead or have no limbs left.
>>2574110It's a fucked up situation for Ukraine. The politically unsavvy will hate Russians and Americans for the next few generations.
So why have the Americans decided to ditch? Is it because they no longer can replenish the amount they've given because of a lack of manufacturing power or is because they've already looted what they've wanted to loot from Ukrainian land grants? Or is because the embargo of Russia didn't do nearly enough damage as they expected?
>>2574110Bullshit. They had 8 years to stop the genocide in the Donbass and only egged it on more and more. So long as they identity as "Ukrainians", an anti-Russian national identity construct, they are antagonistic to the wellbeing of the Russian people.
>>2574121Ukrainian is not an anti-russian identity construct, that's a stretch.
>>2574121This kind of thinking is very stupid and dangerous. "The people" don't end regimes, disciplined organizations do. Russians haven't done shit to combat the Yeltsin government that destroyed the country and literally made women whore themselves out for bread. Westerners haven't done shit to end their neoliberal governments either. The same goes for every country but China, North Korea and Cuba. That's just not how this works.
It's also stupid to just call the Ukrainian nation an anti-Russian construct, you would know this if you followed banderite discourse. They spent the time before 2014 being asshurt that Ukraine wasn't exactly that.
>>2574123>Ukrainian is not an anti-russian identity construct, that's a stretch.But they are. Every separatist or territorial splinter must in some sense hate the motherland from which they came or unless they will get reabsorbed back into it eventually. If there is not concrete reason for hate and distrust and difference then it must be invented and manufactured. That's why the separatist gained power in the east. The people saw no point in hating Moscow and in a sense themselves as russians, just because as a negation it reinforces the sense of "ukrainess" of Ukraine that was so important to the Maidan movement.
It's same with the all of the butthurt belt. it's not just about the fear of how Russia could crush the baltics with it's thumb for example that motivates them. The hate of Russia is the point of their statehood. If they don't have a story of why they are not just a another part of the Russian multitude of nations then they are just strange species of Russian to themselves, to russians and to the world, and then what's the point of having a separate state at all. There is no splitting of a territory and then those splinters living in total harmony and love, but remaining separate. In the butthurt belt it's even more aggravated because all kinds of pro-EU apparatchiks know they can remain in power, be relevant and have geopolitical leverage if there are tensions.
>>2574135Look at the retarded chauvinist who doesn't know Russia is not the USSR!
>>2574127>They spent the time before 2014 being asshurt that Ukraine wasn't exactly that.but then they won, though
>>2574137you and me know russia is not the USSR, butthurt belt elites don't, to them russophobia is an extension of anticommunism and a means to complete decommunization and neoliberal integration
they barely ever bring up what the tsars did to them, it's always le soviet oppression and Putin wants to bring back the USSR
>>2574138yeah I know, but what else you would call it when a smaller territory of a larger entity becomes it's own state?
>>2574141a vassal state? a puppet?
>>2574137"russian" in Russia can mean both ethnicity and being a citizen of the state just like in many other places.
>>2574142What are you talking about? I think you missed my point or I totally misunderstood what you are even after.
>>2573780
Precious salt 💕
<US & Belarus are discussing Minsk's possible release of about 100 prisoners — Reuters
lmao, it keeps happening. And in return for what, who knows…
>>2574094>to having Putin welcomed to the US itself to discuss peaceful terms,That's just Trump embarrassing himself as he thinks he can scam Putin into Minsk 3 and get a geopolitical real estate deal going after the Brooklyn model.
The US institutions are obviously against him and thwarting all these efforts. The head senators of his own party are against his Ukraine moves. His secret services are leaking information to try to damage him.
If Biden had won, the US would still be killing Russian soldiers by proxy, bombing the Russian homeland (including civilian deaths), and suffering no blowback to its troops, civilians, or homeland whatsoever. And this "dark horse" dominance display would still be netting it new strategic gains in the Middle East, new industrial deals in Central Asia in what was Putin's sphere of influence, closer ties with countries like Belarus, and peel-offs of traditionally ultra-pro-Russian countries like Serbia (which send Ukraine ammunition despite the Kremlin's protests).
>>2574158 (me)
>If Biden had won, the US would still be killing Russian soldiers by proxy, bombing the Russian homeland (including civilian deaths), and suffering no blowback to its troops, civilians, or homeland whatsoever. And this "dark horse" dominance display would still be netting it new strategic gains in the Middle East, new industrial deals in Central Asia in what was Putin's sphere of influence, closer ties with countries like Belarus, and peel-offs of traditionally ultra-pro-Russian countries like Serbia (which send Ukraine ammunition despite the Kremlin's protests).iow, exactly like Trump but without the red carpet embarrassment. And apparently the English phrase I was thinking of was "dark triad," not "dark horse." :-o
Luka being more of a cuck than Putin is not a plot twist I saw a'comin'! My 4D-chess cope is that he's making Putin nervous so that Putin realizes what his kiddy gloves are doing to his strategic interests…and then Novichoks the Banderite cocaine supply.
Reminder that both Putin and Medvedev have said themselves that Russia can't fight a conventional war against NATO and would have to noooook (alas, NATO is gradually building its skepticism toward the noooook threats).
Luckily, in practice, North Korea and China are unlikely going to sit back and spectate a conventional war between Russia and NATO.
NATO would win a conventional war against Russia. But NATO could not sustain that war for long against China and the Norks etc. They no longer have the industrial base to re-cooperate their losses like they did in WW2.
>>2573434>I'd be careful with what you wish for. Putin's successor might not be as soft on ukraine.Despite pushing the idea for years myself, I've decided that I've been wrong about a so-called hardliner line-up in Russia - that Putin won't be replaced by a hardliner and is not even under any real domestic pressure from a mythical powerful hardliner faction. If Kirill ever falls out a window or there's ever any real blowback to the things they supposedly don't like about what Putin is doing (such as wooing the adversary with porkie deals), I might revise my revised belief.
Russian hardliners = basically a few impotent dudes like Girkin gettin' tossed into the slammer as extremists for demanding too much victory… TV pundits like Solovyov… and larping dudes like Medvedev who were weak when in power and whose role is simply to act as a release valve for some minor operational disputes…
>>2574170>>2574178NATO can't fight or win a conventional war against Russia. To do it they would have to impose a draft, a command economy and completely disrupt their societies.
This is what the Russians refer to when they say they couldn't match NATO conventionally. They'd ultimately be outnumbered in that scenario. But that's not a plausible scenario because NATO can't/won't do it, particularly not with a likely outcome of Russia using nukes before the end of that scenario, making the effort all for nothing and self destructive.
All that NATO could plausibly try to do to defeat Russia is some hail mary decapitation strike or a nuclear first strike that would be designed to prevent a retaliatory strike. They can't fight or sustain a conventional war against Russia, China or NK.
The West isn't going to try to draft the zoomers or make porkies all work for the state just to own putler. Once the sanctions didn't work the West lost. The rest has been just denial, delaying and hoping for a black swan to appear if they hold out long enough.
>>2574195>But that's not a plausible scenario because NATO can't/won't do itAgreed, though I don't think it's necessarily because they're unable to propagandize their populations into mobilizing. It's that they can't deal with China and North Korea joining in the fight.
>particularly not with a likely outcome of Russia using nukes before the end of that scenario, making the effort all for nothing and self destructive.I 'know' with every fiber of my being that Putin is never going to use nukes unless nuked. Obviously I can't give some mathematical proof of this, and obviously NATO can't rely on such armchair character reading, and obviously NATO has to worry about Putin suddenly dying and being replaced by someone who will use nukes against conventional attacks… but as for me, I 'know' that Putin doesn't have it in him.
Incidentally, I don't blame Luka for starting to hedge his bets and reestablish diplomatic ties with the US. Four years is more than enough time of being punished by association with Russia, all because Putin can't bring himself to approve the GenStaff plans to wipe out Bankova, destabilize Ukraine, and wrap this shit up with a total victory, which was revealed by Luka himself.
<During their meeting in Kyrgyzstan, Lukashenko proposed Putin to hold talks on the settlement of the Russia-Ukraine war in Minsk
lmao, oh no
>Statements by the Deputy Head of the Russian Foreign Ministry:
>US actions in relations with Russia are quite contradictory; The supply of weapons and intelligence information from the US to Ukraine continues
Ryabkov calls a spade a spade again. Cue Putin rolling out Peskov again to put out the flames again, as he did when Ryabkov called the diplomatic track a deadend.
>>2574195Nato 3 month wars in the middle east really never were a flexing of it's military muscles, but a hard limit of it's intense operations, after which it always needed to deescalate to have that breather to rearm. We can pretty safely say that nato can't win a grind war, nor can nato win a a war against Russia in moths. So that alone means that nato can't win unless it goes
noooklear or Russia is in a civil war situation or equivalent.
Whole Nato/USA doctrine is basically use of stand off weapons bombs and not expecting any retaliation and then the ground forces basically parade their way towards the target. Everybody knows that Russia would not allow that safety in Europe in event of a war, nor could nato AA provide that security, nor could the airforces and logistics act with impunity, nor would the casualties coming back from the front be at a politically tolerable levels for a meme operation that is not critical national interest to any other than maybe the meme republics of the butthurtbelt. Russia would get hurt and badly yes, but it wouldn't collapse and nato basically needs a quick collapse or it will lose every one it's wars.
>>2574244Putin has never shown any appetite for retaliating against NATO's missiles strikes on Russian soil. If NATO ever sends its troops to Ukraine during the active combat, which I think would be stupid of them, I highly doubt Putin would do anything bolder than consider those troops legitimate targets and still confine all his strikes to Ukraine, even if NATO were to ramp up its missile strikes on Russian soil and start targeting Moscow.
>>2574252Why escalate if Russia is still winning, damage is nominal and escalation would just bring a nuclear exchange closer. It's a different matter if Nato troops could actually put Russia on the defensive then it would be a different matter. Not winning fast enough is a good exchange for not having a nuclear war in any other case.
Ushakov and Dmitriev having their private convos leaked is like Wait For Trump but unironically. Mofos sitting around on fucking WhatsApp with their pindo fetish lmfao.
>>2574255>Why escalate if Russia is still winning, damage is nominal and escalation would just bring a nuclear exchange closer. Yes, this is precisely the logic Putin would use if NATO started firing missiles from Poland and the Baltics. It doesn't affect the ground realities in the Donbass.
>>2574248zelensky driving this to the peace table
>>2574258If nato started doing that then they would do it to actually make a difference, not just to tease out a response, since no matter the scale of the strikes they could no longer pretend even to themselves that any Russian response would be Russian aggression towards them. it would go towards strikes and nuclear war from there.
>>2574248wtf i support ukraine now?
There's nothing new in this latest negotiation round that would warrant Westoids derailing by leaking and risking damage to their sources and methods. There's no concrete progress being made. The only difference now is that this rat Kirill has been soaking up more and more attention, trying to aura farm and improve his political standing, and each leak basically keeps him in the spotlight.
…cont'd. Kirill wanted it known that this 28-point travesty was his. He's a showboater. He wanted it known that it was based on Daddy Trump's Gaza plan. He wanted to sit there in front of the Trump pics on his wall, pounding his meat as the TV blares the news of his diplomatic heroism. The rat is behind these leaks, I just know it.
>REPORT: The Russian Communist Party (KPRF) declared Khrushchev’s ‘secret speech’ denouncing Stalin's alleged personality cult a ‘mistake’.
>The Communist Party of the Russian Federation (KPRF) adopted a resolution declaring Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev’s speech denouncing the cult of personality around Joseph Stalin to have been a mistake, according to state media.
>The resolution states that Khrushchev’s speech, “On the Cult of Personality and Its Consequences," delivered behind closed doors at the 20th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union on February 25, 1956, should be “regarded as a mistake and as politically biased.”
>Russia’s Interfax news agency published excerpts from a draft of the resolution. According to the draft, Khrushchev’s speech “contains falsified facts and false accusations against J. V. Stalin, distorting the truth about his role in the leadership of the state and the party.”
>The draft also said the party plans to urge Vladimir Putin to restore the historical name Stalingrad to the city of Volgograd and the surrounding Volgograd region.
>KPRF deputy chairman Dmitry Novikov said the party prepared the resolution in an effort to restore “the full historical truth about an outstanding figure in Russian and world history — Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.”
>>2574369Do they actually do anything as an opposition party other than fixate on symbolism and historical minutiae 24/7? First the Yeltsin Center and now this. And if they're going to fixate on symbolism and historical minutiae 24/7, why not do something based like demand that Putin strike the Bandera statues in Kiev?
>>2574425believe it or not blowing up a statue doesn't change the current mode of production
>>2574426>And if they're going to fixate on symbolism and historical minutiae 24/7Learn to read and kys.
Tomorrow is the 27th. Nothing seems to be happening. Was this bullshit?
>>2574443
You're as stupid as the other poster who didn't read properly and realize that attacks on statues were being acknowledged as pointlessly symbolic (but at least based from a comedy POV).
In this case, your stupidity is assuming I'm unaware of Banderite fixations on symbolism. Not at all – it's what would make such an attack based and funny, though ultimately pointless from a perspective of advancing leftist causes.
>>2574459
>I said inb4, you little moron, you have to read and come up with something more clever than namecalling.
You said "inb4 I didn't understand the analogy and…" The truth of a conjunction requires the truth of each conjunct, you blissful retard. I understood your analogy - it was inane.
Poles be like "wtf, I love Bandera now"
>>2574477 (me)
…then donate replacement statues
Khrushchev was a flawed man, but at least he didn't oversee the US firing missiles onto his soil like a certain later leader in the neo-Tsarist Christcuck line who was handpicked by Yeltsin.
>>2574485
>that it's not communistic to be mad about progressive moves, even when they are "symbolic" when nazi/anti-communist symbolism is moving faster.
Uh, if anything, that's an argument to do something about the Nazi symbolism that's a problem right now instead of dredging up decades-old Soviet history. Or better yet: stop fixating on the pointless symbolism, and do something about the Nazi people responsible for it. There's plenty of room to improve on Putin from the left in this regard given how much of an appeaser he is, but of course that can't happen because it's an opposition party in name only.
Has the largest "communist" party of Russia said anything about oligarch Kirill going around disrespecting the Russian dead by trying to seduce the primary aggressor with porkie deals, flowers, and chocolates?
>>2574538>disrespecting the Russian deadIs Communism just performative to you?
wow, it seems that the KPFR decision agitated some radlibs today.
>>2574563now every time my gf calls me out for wasting money on sport bets I can tell her that's nothing, there's people betting on wars.
>>2574560>Is Communism just performative to you?Capitalizing 'communism' is what I'd expect from an uneducated retard like you.
>>2574561If you celebrate those who condemn Khrushchev while cry about those who condeming Putin, you're the radlib, buddy.
Never ask…
… a woman her weight
… a man his salary
… a costume communist what his Putin-bootlicker party has done to oppose Christcuck Putin when it's not opposing long dead Soviet atheist ballers
>>2574666
Go back to the thread where ChampSoc raised that very point if you think people are unfamiliar with the argument.
They also didn't oppose Putin in any true sense of the word. They offered suggestions - even fucking Solovyov of all retards does that lmao.
>>2574675
Yeah shitcoins and since the Pope election many european govs have banned the site so if you get scammed you can't blame anyone
>>2574188 (me)
So I wanna update this post with a more complete picture of Russian politics, in descending order of power.
>TIER 1: Putin alone (constant victim of being fooled by the West, by his own admission)
>TIER 2: Kirill, Abramovich, etc. Basically responding to Putin's demand for a continuous stream of Nigerian-tier international-cooperation scams to satisfy his being-fooled fetish
>TIER 3: Medvedev and the Security Council ilk. Basically do their best to act as assassination insurance for Putin by larping as hardliners who could replace him in the event of his demise. Also responsible for releasing a steady flow of nuke threats, hoping that the West overlooks Putin's timidity in using his conventional missiles when the West attacks his homeland but totally considers the nuke threats legit.
>TIER 4: The rabble hardliners. Basically just a few impotent dudes like Girkin gettin' tossed into the slammer as extremists for demanding too much victory and TV pundits like Solovyov.
>TIER 5: The completely harmless 'communist' opposition parties who say nothing harsh about Putin while instead picking on dead dudes who aren't around to ask why the century's Nicholas II is passively letting NATO bomb his homeland. >>2574657>>2574678I don't get it. What is the CPRF supposed to do? Steal a missile, tie Zyuganov to it and launch it at Lviv?
>>2574714
You missed the point. It's the offering of limp suggestions, not the specific nature of those suggestions.
Solovyov offers suggestions but never directly scolds Putin – sorry, the Supreme Commander. This is how the KPRF operates too, but the comical thing is that even retards like Solovyov come closer to opposing Putin than they do.
>>2574722>>2574715Tell me why they obsess over a dead Soviet who, for all his flaws, had more leftist blood in his veins than the current Westoid appeaser who's running Russia
now and letting his capital flunkies run amok embarrassing the country.
>>2574725I am not the one not getting the point. I don't care about your rant. I don't give a fuck about your criticism on the KPFR. what they did is based, and you can stay mad about it, like any other anti-communist is and they'll be.
>>2574739It's your prerogative to settle for scraps and encourage an obsession with a really, really dead dude. Just don't be a hypocrite about it when people obsess over Putin, who's not a tenth of the leftist that K was.
>>2574734You don't understand dialectics. Its not about whatever appearances one takes, but the material reality. Khrushchev, advocating peaceful co-existence, was in practical reality destroying socialism even if he personally felt otherwise. Putin, who finally has supported the SMO, is in practical reality building the foundations for a new socialist project in Russia.
>>2574751Nice satire. You almost had me until I read the last ten words.
Personally, I'd take the guy who didn't watch the US bomb his soil. The West feared K.
>>2574757Do you really think national sovereignty is some unimportant factor to socialist construction? If it weren't for the SMO Russia would need first and foremost to wage a national liberation struggle, but with the SMO national security is being ensured even if you think Russia is winning too slow.
>The West feared K.read any US history book on Khrushchev, they're basically hagiographies.
>>2574734most russians who aren't telegram addicts care far more about internal issues and Stalin than nuking Lviv right now, as long as Russia is winning and the economy chugs along
meanwhile your alarmism hasn't been vindicated since last year. Russia is winning, Ukraine is still doing pointless singular hail mary attacks that don't accomplish anything, Europe has run out of options to escalate and went from demanding 1991 borders to accepting that a freeze along the frontline is the best they can hope for in their wildest dreams
Shame the original TankAnon is no longer here. He was a ferocious defender of Khrushchev's honor and would drop trvke upon trvke against all the lightweights picking on surface shit. Man, guess it's true what they say about never truly appreciating someone until he's gone.
>>2574789>nuking Lviv right nowStop being lazy in argumentation. I've seen you do much better than this.
>>2574769Wait until you hear about Mao exempting patriotic Anti-Japanese landlords from expropriation in the initial period of New Democracy. Wait until you hear about Soviet praise of Alexander Suvorov, who crushed Pugachev's rebellion, due to his patriotism in the face of Napoleonic France. Yes, anti-imperialism is paramount, this is laid out in Foundations of Leninism.
If you were to go to Barnes & Noble and read the first book you saw on Putin and then the first book you saw on Khruschev you'd see right away which one upset US imperial ambitions more.
>>2574820I mean this with genuine appreciation, no malice: you're one of my new favorite posters.
>>2574789must be getting hard out here for a cucktinposters. russia is slow-walking its way to victory and nobody needed to nuke lvov, nobody needed to listen to prigozhin, nobody needed to listen to them.
tough reality
>>2574823 (me)
… in fact, if you had a podcast, I think you could pull off something that hasn't been seen since The Office: a genuinely funny production that doesn't require a laugh track.
>>2574833>russia is slow-walking its way to victoryNobody (sane) denies that Russia will achieve its land grab of 2-4 oblasts. A land grab isn't a strategic victory, though - the Crimea case proved that. We'll see what the Ukrainian government looks like when all this is over.
>>2574812it's called hyperbole, but whatever. I am sure you got my point. maybe "raaah launch all the missiles!" drum-beating was pertinent in 2023, but now most people including constituents of the CPRF have moved on and Russia is winning convincingly enough for most to become more concerned with internal issues.
>>2574858>We'll see what the Ukrainian government looks like when all this is over.it doesn't matter. at this point the demographic and economic damage to the ukraine is so catastrophic that I genuinely believe that any "they will rearm in 5 years and try for seconds" scenarios are impossible.
>>2574873Hard to distinguish as hyperbole when you have the Spurdos and whatnot demanding nukes and a long history of Putin critics being lazily lumped in with the Spurdos. What the nukers don't realize is that they're actually running cover for Putin by implying that he's operating at peak performance and that the only step he can take is nukes.
>but now most people including constituents of the CPRF have moved on and Russia is winning convincingly enough for most to become more concerned with internal issues."Internal issues" is doing a lot of work there, no? Remember that we're not talking about any old bread-and-butter internal issues like but whether there's more concern about the Yeltsin Center and Khrushchev's old dialogues than there is about the state of the war and its conduct.
>at this point the demographic and economic damage to the ukraine is so catastrophic that I genuinely believe that any "they will rearm in 5 years and try for seconds" scenarios are impossible.I dunno, Putin himself seems awfully worried about Ukraine's ability to be rearmed.
Why is nothing happening. Tomorrow is the deadline.
>>2575036>Putin critics being lazily lumped in with the SpurdosEconomic warfare is a loser strat, perpetrated by losers, and soon to be rotting empires.
>>2575036Btw, does the KPRF actually oppose Putin on any meaningful "internal issues"? Or has he magically perfected capitalism and there's just nothing to complain about?
>>2575058yeah they criticize Putin, vote against UR and organize protests constantly, not as effectively as I might like but they do
>>2575071>not as effectively as I might like but they doIf you're not overly impressed with your more forgiving standards, then there's no chance I'm gonna be overly impressed.
>>2575091i'm critical of the CPRF, though less critical than people who say that they accomplish nothing and are just controlled opposition. the leadership is ossified, but the younger members and people on the ground do some good stuff. mainly I appreciate them for keeping up connections with AES like DPRK and Cuba and lobbying support for them
I never used to be content with four oblasts and wanted the landlocked meme, but given how much rage such a modest land grab has provoked from Ukros, I'm content if that's all Russia takes.
The one thing I refuse to drop in my wishcasting is that the Zelensky regime needs to go for a strategic victory. Unfortunately, the Western Russophiles who make this point, like the Helmers and the Doctorows, have boomer notions about how it can be accomplished, both thinking it's a case of Putin clicking his fingers and sending an Oreshnik to Kiev. That would be catastrophic for Russia on the world stage. It needs to be done much more subversively than that in a way that it's unclear whether Russia is even the author.
>Ushakov's key statements regarding the US peace plan:>The US peace plan for Ukraine was not discussed in Abu Dhabi;>Russia has not yet officially received the US peace plan for Ukraine, but an unofficial "paper" exists;>Russia views some aspects of the US peace plan positively, but many require discussion;>The Europeans are unnecessarily interfering in the peace settlement in Ukraine;>Russia has unofficially received several versions of the US peace plan, which can even be confusing;>Russia and the US are in contact regarding the peace plan, but there have been no serious discussions at the table.breathe out, THD still in effect
>>2575132kek
>>2575148Ryabkov should be your chief communicator, tbh. He's always more reassuring that THD is still in effect. I don't mind Lavrov either, but the extra ten years is a lifetime at that age, and his sharpness isn't what it once was.
I always feel demoralized listening to Putin, and the one fucker I can't stand listening to is Peskov, who couldn't reassure a fish in the Atlantic that it's in no danger of drowning.
>>2575144Don't worry, it'll end up eight, minimum, anyway.
The amount of tilting and demands that Russia capitulate, while completely fucking losing means those dickheads are going to lose more.
>>2575169Peskov is so terrible it must unironically be some 5d chess that the kremlin keeps his ass around
>>2575176I still think Trump unintentionally outed Peskov here as the CIA's inside man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-Jiil1UesLook how uncomfortable he looks getting that extra attention lmao.
>>2575042>Why is nothing happening. Tomorrow is the deadline.Donald Cuck has already walked it back. The entire exercise was because they thought Cucktin would do what he usually does during negotiation mode and gas his military with cuck gas, but by some miracle he didn't this time - the strikes are still happening and the front hasn't come to a standstill.
>The leaked Witkoff–Ushakov call was likely intercepted by a foreign intelligence service. A European security official told the paper the main suspect is a European country, not Russia, as Ushakov had been using an unsecured phone line - WSJ reports
>>2575202>and gas his military with cuck gaslmao
>>2575279>an unsecured phone line Ushakov blamed it on WhatsApp. Why high-level Russian officials are using WhatsApp, which has a long history of state-level attacks, is beyond me. Actually, at that level of targeting, all such apps are suspect, long history of attacks or not. Even the Yanks in Trump's admin who were using Signal were being reckless.
>>2574994There is no creature on earth lower than an Eastern European liberal.
>yfw
>be some Ivan Ivanovich in Russian GRU developing sophisticated attacks against WhatsApp
>use them against Westoid officials to steal some gems but unavoidably expose the attacks to Western security services
>Western security services adapt the attacks and use them against Kremlin officials who started using WhatsApp because of Kirill Dmitriev's throbbing erection for anything Western.
>Western security services use stolen information to figure your work as Ivan Ivanovich
>get droned in your apartment because 99% of Russian AA defense is centered on the Kremlin and Putin's residences
>>2574244>So that alone means that nato can't win unless it goes noooklear or Russia is in a civil war situation or equivalent.Tbh I'm not even sure nato could "win" a nuclear contest. The inherent unwinnability of such a conflict aside, the US's nuclear capability has been degrading rapidly since the end of the cold war due to the same forces that have hollowed out the rest of its MIC. If 1 in 3 yankee nuclear weapons were mission capable at this very moment I would be shocked.
That's still a lot of nukes, of course, but Yankistan ain't what it used to be.
>>2574369>The draft also said the party plans to urge Vladimir Putin to restore the historical name Stalingrad to the city of Volgograd and the surrounding Volgograd region.BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED
>>2574127>Russians haven't done shit to combat the Yeltsin government that destroyed the countrybitch, Putin spent 8 damn years trying to fleece the Russian people into supporting the Minsk dead-ends, and only begrudgingly launched the SMO when it became clear that Putin would have no career if he did not act.
>>2573387Claiming Russia is "imperialist" depends upon a definition of imperialism that is colloquial rather than rooted in Leninist theory. Let's analyze the system of imperialism as it's evolved between the time Lenin wrote about it and now. Today, imperialism has taken the form of unipolarity, dollar hegemony and the profit-recycling system Micheal Hudson calls super-imperialism.
Russia couldn't possibly be imperialist today, on the contrary, it is anti-imperialist. It asserts its own form of development, based on state-owned credit and industry, which directly comes at the expense of foreign borrowing: The IMF, the World Bank, and other mechanisms of financial dependency to tie countries to the system of world imperialism. Unless Russia has its own version of the IMF, World Bank, and global reserve currency which it used to recycle the profits of the global capitalist class, it can't be imperialist today.
But I'm sure your definition comes from star wars and not Lenin, in which case, carry on with your liberal delusion world. For the record, I sympathize greatly with Darth Vader.
>>2575417Libs are permanently stuck fighting feudalism, incapable of evolving, so they use extremely outdated definitions and understandings of the world.
>>2575417Russia spent the last 45 years getting dunked on by the imperialists, and then at the last stages of being encircled they're finally strong enough to stand up for themselves and say no more.
Lesson is, if you're ever strong enough to actually fight the imperialists (and even worse, win), rather than just be their victim getting perpetually btfo into eternity, the western left will call you imperialist.
Anti-imperialists are supposed to lose and become Gaza, Libya or Cuba.
>>2575425Imo it's a result of having no independent intellectual current. At least in the USA, they're all indoctrinated from the get go by bourgeois ideology in public school and it never really stops.
>>2575417War is between imperialist fronts not individual countries.
Ruzzia is financially imperialist.
Proof: Look at what they're doing in Georgia.
Country which recently turned "pro-Russian" that is selling off its industry to the Russian bourgeoisie.
>Russian companies are profiting from the Georgian taxpayer. Over the past ten years, Georgian state agencies have signed 379 contracts with Russian companies worth 16 million Georgian Lari (GEL) (approximately $6 million). In August, it was reported that the Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia recently signed a contract to purchase more than 100 kilograms of candy for refugee children. KDV, a Russian company registered in Siberia, received the contract for about 1,700 GEL ($630) (iFact, August 13). While this seems to be an insignificant amount of money and a trivial purchase, many Georgians displaced from Abkhazia are wondering why the organization meant to represent them would do business with a Russian company when several Georgian companies also produce popular candies. The founder of KDV, Denis Shtengelov, is a businessman sanctioned by Ukraine and an active supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime (iFact, August 13). Beyond candy, the Georgian state purchases sports equipment, car parts, engineering, and construction support from Russian companies (TV-Formula, August 29). Out of the 16 million GEL paid from Georgian state agencies to Russian companies, 6 million GEL ($2.22 million) went to companies that were registered in Georgia after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 (iFact, August 13).https://jamestown.org/russian-companies-winning-state-tenders-in-georgia/This is literally no different from what the West does in keeping Africa and Latin America underdeveloped so that Western monopolies can extract maximum profit while the exploited countries have no way to progress up the value chain and to build their own industry.
>>2575465> In August, it was reported that the Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia recently signed a contract to purchase more than 100 kilograms of candy for refugee children. KDV, a Russian company registered in Siberia, received the contract for about 1,700 GEL ($630) (iFact, August 13). While this seems to be an insignificant amount of money and a trivial purchase, many Georgians displaced from Abkhazia are wondering why the organization meant to represent them would do business with a Russian company when several Georgian companies also produce popular candies.Financially imperializing Georgia with $630 worth of candy
>>2575473HAVE RUSSIANS WEAPONIZED SUGAR?!
>>2575473A brave ukrainian patriot flying a drone into a crowd of abkhazian refugee children for eating ruZZian blood candy
>>2575417What was the IMF of Imperial Germany?
>>2575500Wide Luka edition
>>2575393Ushakov has already admitted that they're legit after the fool Dmitriev called them fake. Dmitriev's cringey "daddy Trump" posts and Q reposts and chocolates with Putin quotes and slobbering over the Putin-Trump tunnel idea were bad enough. Now the guy is implicated in multiple Russian leaks. It's starting to reflect on Putin's competence and seriousness as a leader, which is a sad thing to say when a reality-TV star with an awful bronzer job is the US president.
>>2575505>chocolates with Putin quotesGoddamn thats gay.
>>2575505Ushakov didn't admit anything, though
>>2575508He was commenting on how he thought the leaks occurred. I thought that was good enough of an admission.
>>2575506
>Lukashenko status?
He's been releasing prisoners for months as a Putin-esque 'gesture of goodwill' to Trump (using that very phrase) and is set to release 100 more. We've yet to learn what he's getting in return, if anything.
People have fallen out of windows for far less than what Kirill has done. What. the. fuck. is. the. delay?
Kirill's wife is a babe, btw. It reeks of spousal abuse that a woman that hot has to live with a man who looks like a walking thumb.
>>2575510>>2575508Ushakov:
>1. "Someone in Washington could be trying to undermine US President Donald Trump’s special envoy, Steve Witkoff."
>2. "At least some of the purported leaks are fake.”
>3. “Neither side is interested in leaking the contents of the conversations."
>4. “Do you remember the case of [former National Security Adviser] Michael Flynn? This case could be the same.”https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1993951873242415492He's not confirming anything.
Also, this whole thing is diplomacy theater and doesn't matter until Ukraine is willing to concede to Russia's core demands (the "root causes") or the US is willing to cut Ukraine off if it doesn't. Neither is the case right now so none of this matters and there's no reason to talk about it. The grind continues.
>>2575522That Pepe post doesn't include the part where Ushakov is talking about his use of WhatsApp and how it's the likely culprit.
Here is Ushakov's interview, where he blames WhatsApp. Not sure how anyone can read this and think he's denying the authenticity of the leaks.
AK: So is this normal for you guys, just chatting like that? You’re that used to each other and to these calls? You do have secure lines. Was it something urgent? Something out of the ordinary?
YU: Of course it was out of the ordinary, all of this is very out of the ordinary. Sure, we talk over secure channels, those hardly ever leak unless someone deliberately wants them to. And sometimes there are calls on WhatsApp, and those, well… someone out there can apparently listen in. But in this case, I really can’t imagine the leak coming from anyone actually on the call.
AK: Right, neither of you would have any reason to leak it?
YU: That’s what I think. I mean, how are we supposed to talk at all otherwise? Nobody will deal with a partner who instantly spills what was discussed. That wouldn’t be a real conversation, it’d be pointless.
AK: And Witkoff clearly didn’t want anyone else listening either, if anything, he seemed even more nervous about it than you. You didn’t say anything extra, he said a bit more.
YU: Witkoff absolutely wouldn’t want this out there. Remember what happened with Michael Flynn? Same thing could be going on now. There are always people trying to stir things up
>>2575525
>He got sanctions lifted off Belavia.
Ah, the ol' temporary-sanctions-relief-for-something-permanent gimmick.
today is end of war day
>>2575528No, Agent Z has rewritten Trump's peace plan and signed it. It will take Trump six weeks and lots of Truth Social disappointment with Putin before he figures out that Agent Z hasn't signed the original plan.
>>2575526You can read it as him speculating. there was a previous leak of Trump admin discussing plans for Iran strikes that I think was attributed to them using WhatsApp. So, it might seem that if something leaked or got intercepted here WA is a likely culprit.
The only thing he seems to claim definitively is that at least some are fake, which would mean either they're all fake or some are real but you don't know which ones.
>>2575528No, daily blood sacrifices will continue
>>2575557Russia does not want to fight a full-scale war. The west cannot afford a full-scale war.
>>2575560>The west cannot afford a full-scale war.someone tell the Kremlin edger in chief this
>>2575567They can't simply because they have no reserve industry to "activate" in the event of a full scale war. Russia gutted and looted its own industries in the 80's and 90's and now it's a fraction of what it once was from the USSR. But they are still there, the plants and material assets are all ready to be centralised by wartime emergency powers. Europe and America does not have this anymore. They didn't loot their industries they simply abandoned them for the masses of cheap labour in the east.
>>2575560More like west cannot fight a full scale war.
>>2575578all the more reason for the turbo edger to stop fucking around with the Western partners, who can't do anything
<Attention: spectacle bros….
NEW SPECTACLE TEASE dropped………!
Another NOTAM over Kapustin Yar on Nov 30. Now, there have been like half a dozen such NOTAMs over Kapustin Yar since the Oreshnik strike in Nov 2024, so what's different this time? Maybe nothing, but the NOTAM for the Oreshnik strike was a one-day NOTAM, and this is the first one-day NOTAM since then.
What else gets the goosebumps going? Consider:
<the sudden rush on America's part to get Zelensky to sign a deal by Nov 27.
<Pentagon officials visiting Ukraine and pleading with Zelensky to sign a deal
<perhaps… PERHAPS also the NABU scandal… if you read what Vance just said between the lines, he's essentially saying "hey, Russia, no need to worry about Zelensky… this scandal means he won't survive re-election once you accept our cuckfire proposal… it's all good, let's be reasonable here…."
>>2575593 (ME)
There is also another thing in play:
<Venezuela. Reports abound that the US is going to try to eliminate Maduro. But that risks giving Russia an opening of "optics cover" to get rid of the Banderites ("what's good for the goose is good for the gander").It's all very exciting and
JUICY right now.
yes but nothing ever happens
>>2575607It's all about the thrill of the tease, brother…
>>2575339This was apparently the Kajas quote at the time, but I'm not watching that shit to confirm:
"In the last 100 years no country attacked Russia but Russia attacked 19 countries"
>>2575609what countries did libya attack
>>2575329Another PMC down. Very based.
>>2575614>what countries did libya attackUSrael, how dare these libyan goyim try to free themselves (and the whole african continent) from the world bank
>>2575609The USSR was TOO kind to baltoids, ungrateful shits.
Thank God Stalin didn't trust the Lithuanians enough to give them Konigsberg.
>Putin: "Signing documents with the current Ukrainian leadership is pointless."
The based Putin double is back. He's not impressed with the US NABU ruse and is gonna force them to eliminate him.
peace cancelled
billions must die
>>2575644 (me)
>eliminate him.Zelensky*
>>2575465>1,700 GEL ($630)>proof>This is literally no different from what the West does in keeping Africa and Latin America underdeveloped so that Western monopolies can extract maximum profit while the exploited countries have no way to progress up the value chain and to build their own industry.tell me, are you into public humiliation? are you one those submissive people that go around wishing to be beaten, pissed on his face, and be spanked?
there's no other reason for you to post an article talking about a sale of $630 and write everything else.
get ready for the russian gen Z uprising!
Vanity Fair Russia’s Gen Z Uprising Might Accomplish What the West Can’t
A new generation of dissident artists is inspiring a wave of solidarity against Putin’s war—recalling the Soviet people who ultimately defeated the Soviet Union.
The most talked about story in Russia right now is the handful of young street musicians who recently escaped from the country after being targeted for daring to sing protest songs. It began in St. Petersburg with 18-year-old Diana Loginova, who performs under the name Naoko. Her videos—covers of anti-war songs by banned Russian artists that she performed on Nevsky Prospect—had gone viral in recent months. Then she was arrested.
On October 15, she was sentenced to 13 days in jail for an administrative offense. On October 28, she was re-arrested on the spot and sentenced to another 13 days; and on November 11, she was again arrested without ever being released and sentenced to 13 more days—a tactic known as “carousel arrests.” Her lawyers believed at the time that a criminal case might be opened against her. Alexandr Orlov the group’s guitarist, was also arrested three times, just like Loginova. Vladislav Leontyv, the drummer, was released after serving two consecutive jail terms.
In the police van, Orlov, the band’s guitarist, proposed to Loginova. He made a ring out of a napkin and offered it in an empty e-cigarette box. The couple told journalists about it before their court hearing on October 29. The story instantly went viral—a fleeting moment of tenderness amid fear and humiliation, with millions following online as if it were a fairy tale from another, freer world.
On November 24, after serving three consecutive jail terms, Loginova and Orlov left Russia in haste and, according to their lawyers, are now safe.
Their arrest and subsequent escape has ignited a wave of solidarity. Across Russia, young buskers have taken to the streets to perform songs in support of Loginova and Orlov. Some have reportedly also faced arrests. Despite the suffocating atmosphere of repression, this new underground movement reveals something unmistakable: Young Russians do not support Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine.
Today, we have almost no reliable data about what people living in Russia truly think about the war, about Putin, or about their own country. In a climate of fear, polling the public has become meaningless.
Consider the latest survey, published on September 30 by the Levada Center—Russia’s only independent polling agency, branded a “foreign agent” by the government in 2016. The poll asked a simple question across various fields: How proud are Russians of Russia?
The results are bizarre, and even more so when compared to data from the last 30 years. Seventy-eight percent say they are very proud of Russia’s history—a record high. In 1996, only 41% felt that way. Sixty-four percent now express a lot of pride in Russia’s sporting achievements—a paradox, since Russian athletes were banned from nearly all international competitions following the country’s invasion of Ukraine (and when they do compete, it’s as “neutral athletes”). So they are proud, or pretend to be proud, of something that has become theoretical. In 2012, when Russians were still competing in events like the Olympics under the Russian flag, only 29% said they were very proud.
Thirty-five percent say they are very proud of the state of the Russian economy—five times higher than in 2012, when the economy was objectively stronger. And most astonishing of all, a record 24% claim to be very proud of “the state of democracy in Russia.” In 1996, when there were still free elections, that number was just 3%.
There’s only one way to read this data. Russians are lying out of fear. They tell pollsters the opposite of what they really think, because they know what could happen if they told the truth.
This phenomenon is hardly new. In the Soviet Union, it even had a name: “inner emigration.” The atmosphere in Russia today increasingly resembles that of the late Soviet years, when art and music became the last refuge for protest. Late-Soviet citizens no longer believed in state propaganda. They felt trapped, convinced that life was a dead end. So they pretended the state didn’t exist—that they could ignore it completely and live small, private lives of their own. That’s why they called it “inner emigration”: Unable to leave the Soviet Union, they withdrew into themselves, creating imaginary worlds to which only close friends were admitted.
That illusion of nonparticipation became the essence of Soviet survival. Yet it was precisely these Soviet people—not Western intelligence agencies, not NATO, not any mythical foreign plot—who eventually brought down the communist empire.
Even today, none of this inner life is visible from the outside. To the West, Russia still appears monolithic, united behind Putin’s war. But that perception of the region is not new. The West once saw the Soviet Union the same way: a gray, unified empire of obedience. In reality, it was not. The country had been hollowed out on the inside, but that’s where its people were quietly creating another, hidden world.
In 1984, an American named Joanna Stingray came to Leningrad and stumbled upon a vast underground rock scene. Beneath the Soviet façade of slogans and parades, there was another city—alive, defiant, and full of guitars, tape recorders, and forbidden songs. People who seemed passive were, in fact, building a secret republic of freedom. A couple of years later, she produced the first officially released album featuring underground Russian musicians—the record Red Wave, which also came out in the West—sparking a cultural revolution in Russia that brought rock musicians out of the shadows.
Now history is repeating itself. Today’s Russia, again, tries to appear solid and unanimous, but beneath its dead surface, a new, unofficial life is emerging—street singers, poets, comedians, and artists like Naoko from St. Petersburg. This new underground has no ideology, no manifesto. It is not political in the usual sense; it is simply human. Its only demand is the right to stay alive, to speak in one’s own voice.
Naoko’s arrest has triggered an explosion of outrage on Russian TikTok and a wave of small but visible protests across the country: solitary pickets, street concerts, and handmade posters taped to walls in every major city. More and more musicians are being detained for performing unauthorized songs in support of Naoko and her fellow Stoptime members. It is far too early to call this a Gen Z revolution, but their activism is proof that young Russians are not brainwashed. They do not support the war. They do not support Putin.
This is a new underground culture—one that few people even realize exists. In 2022, after its army invaded Ukraine, Russia experienced a mass exodus of its most active citizens. Thousands of journalists, scholars, artists, musicians, and comedians—many of the country’s best-known public voices—fled. According to reports, between 800,000 and 1.3 million people left during 2022 alone. The most popular Russian rock and rap artists now live abroad, where they continue to release new music. Within Russia, it is precisely this exiled culture that is the most relevant. For the nation’s youth, the real Russia now lives outside the country’s borders.
Those who rule Russia today are the last Soviet generation. They grew up during stagnation, when everything was already decided and every door was closed. They believed their lives were a dead end, that they would never achieve anything because the older generation clung to power and refused to let it go. They never believed in communism, but they learned cynicism early.
Now that they have finally seized power, they are determined never to relinquish it. More than that, they are obsessed with avoiding their predecessors’ mistakes. They wage war not only on dissidents but on ordinary people who live in a state of “inner emigration.” They remember what destroyed their grandfathers’ empire—not Western pressure, not dissidents, but the Russian people themselves, who one day decided they simply wanted freedom, wanted music, wanted to live. They were the ones who played protest songs on their guitars: Viktor Tsoi, Boris Grebenshchikov, the same underground stars whom Joanna Stingray met in 1984. They were not overtly political, yet their music created the emotional climate that nurtured a freer and more defiant generation of Soviet citizens.
That is why today’s rulers are not only at war with their opponents, but with freedom itself—with that inner independence that once doomed the Soviet Union. They are fighting not only against enemies abroad, but against life inside their own country.
Oppression cannot be overturned from the outside. The West cannot defeat Putinism. Only Russian society can do that, just as the Soviet people once defeated the Soviet Union by ceasing to believe in it.
But the West can still help. Similar to during the Cold War, the West can help those brave Russians who challenge tyranny. In the 1970s and 1980s, the West fought for dissidents’ freedom, exchanged them for Soviet spies, and made their names known. Today, there are new dissidents (some are dying in prison) being punished not for their actions but for their words, even for their social-media posts. Among them: the 17-year-old student Arseny Turbin, who has already spent two years behind bars; the street saxophonist from Samara, Alexei Shabanov; the 69-year-old Moscow doctor, Nadezhda Buyanova; the theater director Zhenya Berkovich; and the playwright Svetlana Petriychuk. I am deeply afraid that the 18-year-old singer Naoko and her fellow musicians may soon join their ranks.
At the very least, the West must know about them, must remember their names, must fight for their freedom—no less than it fights for hostages taken elsewhere in the world. Because these people are hostages too. And the history of how the Soviet people once defeated the Soviet Union proves that such heroes must never be forgotten—because when remembered, new ones will always rise to follow their example.
>>2575662>Gen Z Uprisingoh what like Nepa-
>new generation of artistsoh so nothing
>>2575662>There’s only one way to read this data. Russians are lying out of fear. They tell pollsters the opposite of what they really thinkhilarious. of course americans know better what you
really think, vatnik
the gears of neoliberalism must be greased in blood and guts
>>2575666
Maybe let Ukrainians decide if they want to fight or not. Its their home being invaded.
>>2575670Russian or Ukrainian liberalism?
>>2575684>70% of Ukrainians accept the territorial losses if ceasefireThe peace deal is not about territory but having security guarantees that prevents Russia from using the peace document as toilet paper and invading again.
>Massive desertionNaturally as forced conscripts have low morale and harsher measures would look really bad to NATO allies. .
>18-25 yo all fleeing to Western Europe or RussiaThey have every right to as they exampted from service due to young age.
>Abandon Hulaipole to hide behind 3 billion dollar cope lineCan someone translate this?
>>2575679both essentially
>>2575687
Its Ukrainian nationalism versus Greater Russia empire building. Both suck ass so a peace deal that guarantees peace would be nice. This war was completely unnecessary but Putin had to huff his own propaganda about Russia military stronk.
This war can best be described as two retards fighting. Except in this instance, Ukraine is not to be considered a independent belligerent, because their country is essentially owned by American private industry now. It's a proxy war. An imperialist proxy war that the left is only meagrely critically in support of simply because the collapse of the "Ukrainian" government may mean the liberation of the oppressed trade unions and political opposition and that the war will further put the clamp on the ever-desperate western states who are in a severe need of resources because their domestic industries are kaput.
>>2575551>merkel tried her best to stop the warnow, he's lying.
>>2575676what part of
until the last ukrainian aren't you getting?
the
un-, the
-ian or anything in between? it's not up to ukrainians to decide their fate, as it was proven by Minks I, II, and Istanbul accords. it's up to those who want to get
until the last ukrainian killed, like lindsey graham.
>>2575692>but having security guarantees that prevents Russia from using the peace document as toilet paper and invading again.reminder that Minsk I and II, Ukraine and the EU were the guarantors of the document. not Russia.
Russia never had any role or whatsoever in "guaranteeing" anything.
I don't see any end to this war that isn't simply just the west having a slightly more beaten up economy and a more aggravated mindset by its capitalist leadership.
>>2575721Zelensky was the pro-Russia candidate but this never mattered for cucktin. His long term goal was to rebuild Russian empire to restore past glory or some other reactionary bullshit. Crimea elections were held at gunpoint. Donbas was occupied GRU special units that held fake elections. Completely artificial conflict with the aim to restore Russian empire.
>>2575726>Zelensky was the pro-Russia candidate do not lie on the internet, this is the man who banned any and all political opposition.
>>2575727There is nothing more russian than this.
>>2575728Russia hasn't banned its trade unions. In fact, despite the clear imperialism of Russia, the protection of trade unions is enshrined in Russias constitution.
>>2575729>Russia, the protection of trade unions is enshrined in Russias constitution.Most countries in Europe have strong unions. Having some feint socdem bullshit going on in Russia doesnt make it any less liberal/imperialist. /pol/ thinks Russia is the saviour of white race. /Leftypol/ thinks russia is the saviour of communism. Both are completely wrong.
>>2575730Yes but Ukraine has banned its trade unions and all of its socialist parties. Do you not understand what I'm saying?
>>2575732>Yes but Ukraine has banned its trade unions and all of its socialist parties.What did you expect from a liberal country under martial law that is under full invasion? Russia only keeps communist party around as controlled opposition that is ridiculed by their government. It has more to do with traditions than socialism as Russian people still miss USSR.
>>2575740We have three communist parties and numerous politicians on local levels. Our hard liners would make Pol Pot posters here blush and frequently visit DPRK. But yeah East Europe bans gommunism and is literally nazis.
>>2575726>His long term goal was to rebuild Russian empireThen he wouldn't be a cuck, you usurper of names.
>>2575749Well he tried. Millions of dead and crippled men for some nationalism power LARP fantasy.
>>2575727The poster is not wrong about Zelensky being the pro-Russia candidate, and I think it was sincere at first. What the poster leaves out is that after getting a talking-to from Azov, Zelensky decided that the path of least resistance was in forgetting about campaign promises and getting a slice of the returns from the country's corruption schemes.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/russians-allowed-compete-under-national-flag-again-says-ijf-2025-11-27/This is first time since the Ukraine war that Russian athletes will actually be able to compete under their own banner. I know a few other sport orgs are also planning on instituting it next year.
Is this an early since the Ukrop propaganda has run its course and people want to return normal?
>>2575755>path of least resistance was in forgetting about campaign promises and getting a slice of the returns from the country's corruption schemes.He truly chose the easy way out with this war. He should have just signed Minsk III and IV and maybe even Minsk V and we wouldnt have this war lmfao.
Also is it wrong to use azov as cannon fodder? Would you have truce with nazis if your country was invaded by a foreign imperialist power?
>>2575762
Consider he sent these men to die after this.
>>2575760It became too difficult to maintain the position after Israel's actions. I believe FIDE (chess) may still be trying to thread the needle, though.
>>2575760Its a sign that western powers are ready to negotiate and let Russians enter different institutions so there can be a dialog. Trumps cuckoldry can also not be underestimated.
Closely related to this subject is that Jared Kushner tried to include a "christian alliance against China" in the the original 28 part plan which Russians were smart enough to dismiss outright. While not a big fan of Russia I have loyalty towards socialist states like PRC and DPRK.
>>2575506
God I love Luka
Shall I bake?
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