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>>2560923 Looking at the Epstein Email Archive Explorer, found one interesting, it's labeled "Fwd: This morning" and it's about Ranked Choice Voting of all things.
From Eric Maskin, Sep. 11 2018
>Yes, we can expect more extremists to run under RCV. But also more centrists (e.g., Bloomberg). Since the centrists are closer to the median voter, they will defeat the extremists.
>The evidence I have seen suggests that RCV increases turn-out. [But it's important that voters be given the choice to rank as many or few candidates as they like, so that a voter always has the option of voting for a single candidate (in effect, he would be ranking all other candidates as tied for second). In practice, most voters choose to rank two or three candidates, but a significant fraction just rank one]
>In fact the increase in the diversity of candidates under RCV is related to turn-out. If RCV had been used in 2016, Bernie Sanders could have run as an independent in the general election without fear of guaranteeing a Trump victory. Many of the Bernie supporters who stayed home on election day might then have voted—and presumably would have ranked Clinton second. This would have given her a victory over Trump in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania (and possibly elsewhere).
>Eric
Larry Summers then goes on about the importance of making sure Ranked Choice Voting benefits centrists. They say it could encourage Ralph Nader types to run, but also mean that Al Gore types wouldn't have to try to appeal to the Left. Here's his email from Sep 11
>It was fun and interesting.
>I admire your friends determination.
>Are you serious about working on this?
>Has anyone done a full analysis of this and polarization.
>Seems like on one hand it might encourage Ralph Nader cuz he d get more first round votes and not elect George bush. This might be bad.
>On other hand, gore would not have to move left to take Nader vote.
>If I like centrism is it clear that this is better.
>I get that it avoids arbitrary outcomes but assume that a tea party nut is as likely to elect a dem as a lefty is to elect et a republican.
So yeah, they're kind of openly sweating about the idea of anyone other than neolib centrists running.
>>2561274You are completely wrong and unsourced.
https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/employment-by-major-industry-sector.htmAgriculture forestry fishing and hunting 0.9%
Mining quarrying and oil and gas extraction 0.3%
Utilities 0.3%
Construction 4.8%
Manufacturing 7.5%
Transportation and warehousing 3.9%
17.7%
Wholesale trade 3.6%
Retail trade 9.1%
Information 1.7%
Finance and insurance 3.9%
Real estate and rental and leasing 1.5%
Professional scientific and technical services 6.4%
Management of companies and enterprises 1.5%
Administrative and support and waste management and remediation services 5.4%
Educational services private 2.3%
Healthcare and social assistance private 13.3%
Arts entertainment and recreation 1.5%
Accommodation and food services 8.4%
Other services except public administration 3.9%
Federal government 1.8%
State and local government 12.0%
82.3% of american workers are parasitic yet only 60.1% of americans work. Therefore 89.4% of americans are treatler parasites.
>>2562039A quick scan of the lobe letter only had one bright note, that Donica Krasnov bought their golf course in Ireland. I bet he got the lolita express for pennies on the dollar after he got killed.
>>2562047Wonder how many times he went to wh b4 he was arrested.
His typing is such dogshit, I have a head ache now.
>>2562045Good question
>>2562046Definitely seeing that they wanted Clinton instead. Also very funny to see their concern for “erratic” voting patterns from the “masses”.
>>2562039but that's gerald barton doing most of the talk.
trump bought one of his properties and closes the letter with
>I am fortunate that the labor focus of my life has not attracted the best and the brightest.lawl.
>there is a tremendous amount of money on the sidelines, but the top 5% or 10% tht control it are terribly frightened of losing money they don't need, while the 90% to 95% of the citizens are continuing their daily labors somewhat frightened that they are not certain where next month's or next year's mortgage payment is coming from.grim.
>>2562046He only had a 2.5 GPA after cheating his way through life? What a fuck up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFD88EyZ80E >>2562042>Can someone dig around what lawsuit are they talking about in 2016?rape lawsuits that included trump and epstein.
Genuine Question: Why do people (correctly) call out the fact that the US is irredeemable and founded on genocide of indigenous people and enslavement of Black people, but then explicitly or implicitly claim that said Black and Native people are exploiters of the third world, in order to imply that revolution is impossible in the US *even among black and native people*. In addition, why do the people opposing the claims of revolution being impossible in the US bring up the conditions of all working-class people in the US in general, instead of specifically that of Black and Native people. Idk, it seems like there used to be a coherent position on the left that revolution among *white* people specifically in the US was impossible, but that revolution among colonized people in the US was possible and necessary, but now it’s been subsumed into both of the positions I’m talking about. Also, it seems like a lot of people take the government propaganda that every single Native American died and there are none left today at face value in order to argue that *all* people in the US are unrevolutionary settlers, what’s up with that? Sorry, I know I’m being really reductive, this has just been bothering me for a really long time and I want some answers.
>>2562046>She could acknowledge that she understands that people want change>acknowledge status:DENIEDher whole campaign was, similar to Harry's, that they are not trump. that's all.
>are you suffering with rent? I am not trump>are you ok with genocide (Harry's)I am not trump>are you going to create financial relief?I am not trump.
and so on.
>hitler was elected after all.ah, if
he could see.
>>2562054then they run to say this stuff:
>>2562063 >>2562076is this the kind of debate lefties have amongst one another? lol, we're cooked
>>2562076 (me)
To articulate myself more clearly, it seems like the idea that Black and Native Americans are exploited by white Americans and the idea that *all* Americans exploit the third world are contradictory and mutually exclusive, yet it seems like so many people both in support and in opposition to these two positions somehow conflate them.
>>2562068I think he was talking about Don Jr.
I found some more good stuff I will post.
>>2562083Europe is mostly nazis especially after 2022. They are ok with being nazis against russians.
>>2562076People are unaware that Native still exist because the forced relocation means most are east of the Mississippi. The Fort Sill Apache were prisoners of war until around 1913. I don't understand what's bothering you so I'm not going to worry about it. I'm too tired.
>>2562086West of the Mississippi
As I said, I'm tired.
>>2562091why do rich people love sniffing their own farts so much
>>2562091What is evolutionary dynamics and why does it need funding?
>>2562084so many gulf arabs in these emails
wonder what whitney webb is making of all these emails
>>2562102Ah, so they want to sell humans and had to find another word for human chattel.
>NUTS!!!!>>2562106I think they want to enslave humanity. We are ruled by gay nazi transhumanist ubermensch oligarchs. In other words
HEIL HYDRA!!
>>2562103epstein just comes off like peter thiel would be if he ever got all his emails leaked.
the more i think about it, all fascism inevitably turns into homofascism because they reduce the role of the woman to a dehumanized state, meaning they only feel a kinship towards other men. makes u think.
>>2562084>karyynaprobably Karyna Shuliak. His last public girlfriend. look at this young woman, pf. a 50 or so guy with this qt. of fucking course.
>I am struck by the similar mannerism between trump and mcgyver.lmao
>>2562083and then they cry about third worldists lol
>>2562089I have the feeling he wrote that way to avoid some searching tools across espionage agencies.
search in the folders if you see someone asking him he writes that way.
>>2562107That sums it up.
>>2562076Its your job to figure it out by you know, doing stats and polls that are experimentally designed. Or commission somebody with experience to do so
>>2562113Lol are you being sarcastic?
>>2562097who is this anas al rasheed?
>>2562096>my feeling trump do not want to end it(classified sender, broken English)
JE
<Great.fucking warmonger pedophile.
>>2562102>Now Sam Altman (Who met his husband at peter thiels hot tub at 3 am)really?
>>2562102>Donald tell each person something differentlmao. he's so voluble.
>>2562103probably for the wrong reasons.
>feminists want me to have consensual sex with women>and not underage women>this is going to break me and break the society apart reeee>>2562105>the pendulum is going to swing hard the other way>feminists will be in charge of everythingthey got biden instead.
LMAO
>>2562126He didn't really answer the question, he danced around it. Anyway, laters.
>>2562126well, never answered. so this, and the fact that his brother said that what we all know,
bubba was receiving the best blowjob ever, even my opponents said it's the best blowjob ever,
I would do myself the same blowjob if I could,
that's how good it is. it's a damning thing.
>>2562080I think the line of logic with collapsing these two positions lies in the ecopolitical regime that arose in the death pangs of the New Deal focusing on the so-called American ""middle class"", that poorly defined group of office workers, the higher ranges of the trades, professionals, small business owners etc that happens to include more black, latino and native americans than the 50s.
Meanwhile everybody else that's a more poorly compensated wagie or lumpen have barely any combative formations:their collective tongue was cut out and a new one is slow in budding.
All this to say that someone might come to the conclusion that proles of x minority are at about the same level of consciousness and activity as white proles, to an extent its up to the beholder whether this is beneficial: "proles are finally around the same page and might be interacially organized" vs "proles are caught in a reactionary stupor keeping Mammon alive"
I take the centrist position on this.
>>2562126be safe out there
>>2562135materialist explanation for this being shaped like a sperm
>>2562135I think it's Epstein who is in the Trump Files.
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There is a push for fuckery in Mexico, and I don’t like it.
It seems like the Republican Party are all very aware that the release of the Epstein files will be the last day of Donald Trump's presidency and they've just been trying to put it off for as long as possible with the shutdown and whatnot but now the timer's finally running out. What is their game plan here? Trump is on his way out, that's for sure, but how are they going to try to spin this with their next far-right presidential campaign?
>>2562182chud channels and animals are currently posting an image calling sheinbaum a jewish whore. while this image is real. it's from a different protest that happened in august.
it seems to me that chud shills such as asmongold and af.post on xitter are really trying to blow this march out of proportion. when it was actually happening people on the mexican internet were making fun of how lame it was, specially considering marches in mexico city happen
all the time.
>>2562187I have a feeling that republican politics will become about distancing themselves from Donica Blewinski, only it will be more difficult for them than it was with Tricky Dick. They may lose the wh for years.
>>2562187very stupid for them to be panicking. the maga base is cultish. there is nothing trump could do that would turn them away from him. legally there is no way for this force him to resign over this. as has been proven before the potus is above the law. and certainly shame will not force trump to resign. he doesn't give a fuck.
the people won't riot either. the elites all being corrupt pedophiles is an axiom of the universe to them.
>>2562191If the dems had a senate majority he could've been convicted for at least the last impeachment. If they can get a bipartisan majority conviction he can be removed.
>>2562195they've had the means before and didn't do it. they won't this time either.
>>2562200I don't think they will, either. I'm sure the cowards are likely praying he will die but they have to know they're royally fucked this time.
honkoid status?
>>2562135>it balloons around the electionwell that makes sense from epstein's perspective. a former colleague/customer becomes president it's big news, even if it's happened before (with respect to bubba)
>>2562207
nvmd. it's fake
>>2562207
discovery's a bitch
>>2562079>contributes nothing, just mocks wE'Re CoOkEd
, eh? >>25620771. who the fuck is harry
2. hitler was appointed chancellor by hindenberg
I think people are too optimistic about how the Epstein stuff will play out. Republicans will never betray Trump, and Democrats have no means of punishing him, so they'll just spend the next year and a half calling it a hoax until midterms and then people will have forgotten about it.
>>2562217>who the fuck is harryharris.
to me she's so irrelevant I am not keeping information in my brain on how her last name is.
>hitler was appointed chancellor by hindenbergI am talking about what epstein said.
>>2562225The Epstein effect is just part of the big picture. The taking economy and rampant corruption have lowered approval ratings and the decline is exacerbated by the maga civil war and is spilling over into stochastic terrorism against the likes of mtg. They're cooked and done, they just don't know it yet.
>>2562083You know, I fucking hate the UN. And it isn't because of any of the things you may be thinking.
I hate that the records of the meetings, the votes, the UNSC sessions and all the other important events tend to be intentionally delayed for days if not weeks, in the case of the UNSC. I see no fucking reason for this, I cannot fathom the UN being so incompetent or understaffed to have these delays when everything is getting transcribed and audio-visually recorded anyway.
The only reason I can imagine the UN working in this manner, with such a greater delay that just about any first world country, is because they want to preserve the media cordon around the institution. Nobody can fucking go for the transcript on an UNSC meeting, they have to listen to the idiot pundits on TV for it or watch the meeting themselves. OR, as it is probably the intended consequence, obtain the information of what and why it was said from the webpages of the country envoys themselves. which in turn become the primary source for the mainstream reporting.
I know it is a petty thing to be mad about but I fucking hate it that, in the case of the UNSC one has to wait for about two weeks before the digital librady is updated with the latest meeting. Just for the benefit of a bunch of media dweebs and the glowies managing their narratives.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it.
>>2562225This is what I've been thinking. Every time there's some gotcha against trump he initiates his Teflon Don protocols and continues to shovel shit into our pig mouths without a scratch.
People seem to be really hype right now but I'm not getting my hopes up. And besides, the Demonrats are allergic to power and winning, all they want is to point at "proof" and scream "Seeee!? Don't you guys GET IT?? WE are the better party!" And even in the face of the most batshit scandal imaginable, they'll refuse to offer their base anything and
still lose because politics is about helping people, not just being more innocent.
>>2562235I hate the UN because they assisted the American invasion of North Korea
>>2562227>I am talking about what epstein said.holy shit he is retarded but maybe so am i
>>2562236That's the sad part in all of this, that the dems are such cowards. If the nagging is ever replaced by action they can learn how to win. It's a weakness of will more than the mind, but they don't get it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n-XnSoAneU Reminder: Fascism has only ever emerged with the assistance of reformism and social democracy. If you are not a revolutionary Communist you objectively are supporting the rise of fascism.
>>2562244Nobody wants to go to the jungle to fight another Vietnam. They won't be able to sell this one.
>>2562045It's an investment term. There's a website called seeking alpha named after it too. From a quick search it seems to mean returns over a benchmark, so basically just an advantage over say S&P 500 or index funds.
>>2562246Absolute fucking dribble. Use more buzzwords! Read even
less Marx! Good boy!
>>2562251The vast majority of Americans supported the Vietnam war and the Iraq war. They can sell another war very easily.
>>2562255Who is willing to go? They didn't produce testimony about wmds and the cold war isn't a factor. This is about oil and most people know it.
>>2562258The soldiers already in the military are enough and they will all go without any hesitation because they are brainwashed killing machines.
>>2562259Perhaps, but I don't see any consensus that this is justified. Starting a war without congressional approval would be political suicide.
>>2562268Literally nothing has ever happened to any president who started a war without congressional approval. All of congress will step in line because they are all imperialists if not outright fascists.
Trump can start a war and he probably will, and it will do nothing but solidify his support.
You overestimate America. The average American, including all of Congress, is rabidly pro-war and pro-imperialism. The vast majority of Americans are willing and enthusiastic collaborators.
>>2562254Incorrect. Read Dutt. Social democracy is objectively the midwife of fascism. All non-revolutionary parties are essentially fascist in nature.
>>2562244>>2562251what's funny is the US literally came
this close to doing what they are now falsely accusing venezuela of doing?.
>>2562268>Perhaps, but I don't see any consensus that this is justified. Starting a war without congressional approval would be political suicide.are you sure?
>>2562258nta but who cares? Like, the government does not need the draft and chances are the glowies, the gusanos and the local porky already have a plan of action.
If they don't feel confident right now, they have the time. Venezuela will fatigue super fast if they have to keep this up and their trade keeps being disrupted. Bear in mind that just about nobody wants to deal with a government in imminent risk of being deposed. So over time, this will act as a greater form of sanctions. And, of course, this isn't about Maduro. If sufficient reassurances is given to the other powers that this won't mean another Operation Condor or whatever, they will accede to Maduro being removed and work to make it so. Most of south america politicos already sided with
Machado the USA last Venezuelan election.
The USA has the money to burn and none of their guys are (officially anyway) going to come home in bodybags. While the Venezuelan army has to consider how many losses are acceptable to prevent a coup. When chances are, the new comprador regime will lavish them with bribes to keep them quiet and pacify the loyalists.
>>2562272Or it's just that I'm speaking from real world experience and not basing my opinion on internet chatter. I don't know anyone who isn't sick and tired of war.
>>2562278I LOVE THIS SONG SO MUCH
It's been my favorite since maybe it was you who posted it months ago lmao
I want Hasan to listen to it dude it's SUCH. A fucking banger
>>2562276JFK got JFKd.
It was political suicide.
>>2562268Bourgeois government doesn't care about congressional approval and whatever technical red tape bullshit liberals drone on about.
>>2562272>pro-imperialism. The vast majority of Americans are willing and enthusiastic collaborators.So why does all American propaganda non-stop talk about democracy and freedom defeating evil totalitarian dictatorships? If they were all actually pro-imperialism then the propaganda would be about the Glory of the Empire or whatever.
>>2562268>Starting a war without congressional approval would be political suicide.Trump is about to become "presidential" again.
https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07/the-spoils-of-war-trump-lavished-with-media-and-bipartisan-praise-for-bombing-syria/Worse comes to worst, the US just happened to "misstep" and "stumble" and "blunder" themselves.they "were drawn" into a conflict that just so happens to work for the agenda of US hegemony. And oh the terrible
Bush Trump who did everything wrong and had "faulty intelligence" and uhh… whatever we got it done and put it past us.
>>2562289I forgot which Bush tried to kill Reagan but I'm just glad they're gone.
>>2562292Syria was sold as an ongoing thing, part of 'ending' endless war in the region. Invading Venezuela is the novelty here.
>>2562295Venezuela is sold as an ongoing thing, part of 'ending' the endless war on drugs….
>>2562281>OPdid you forget to untag yourself from another thread
>>2562297get the oil pumping
>>2562297Yes, but fentanyl is made by Teva Pharmaceuticals in isael and johnson and merck.
They don't have cover to pull this off.
THIS IS PROCHOICE AMERICA!
THIS THING GOT LEAKED!
https://pastebin.com/W7CELFwPLOTS OF ANTI'S IN A NEAT LIST!
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/15/politics/michelle-obama-woman-president-not-ready
>Michelle Obama says the country is ‘not ready for a woman’ president<“As we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain’t ready,” Obama said in response to a question from actor Tracee Ellis Ross on whether there has been enough “room” created for a woman president.>“That’s why I’m like, don’t even look at me about running ‘cause you all are lying. You’re not ready for a woman,” Obama told Ellis Ross. “We got a lot of growing up to do and there’s still … a lot of men who do not feel like they can be led by a woman and we saw it.”Is the US really that far behind in gender equality compared to all the other countries that have had right-wing women as leaders?
Does it matter if there is "consent"? Like, is there gonna be any consequences for the average USAno whether Venezuela gets regime changed now or in ten years more of meddling? By glowops or by sanctions or by bombs? USAnos have no reason to make a fuss unless they are bothered to make one by the opposition.
Sure, they'll watch TV and play along with the troop worship and performative hand wringing about the few coffins that come back, but that's about it. At the end of the day, everyone will be relieved that the tyrant new-Hitler is gone and things can finally begin to get better, like with Syria,Libya and Iraq.
And more importantly that they don't have to hear about it anymore. Which is the big deal with Gaza and Zionists, USAnos can't just pinch their noses and lalala until it's done and the news coverage is over. They have to live with the Zios at home, forever at the fore of the culture war, in front of their eyeballs. Because MENA matters a lot to NATO.
>>2562304They have plenty of suburbanite karens, gatekeeping HR ladies, and backstabbing girlboss corpos instead.
>>2562304They elected a black man president, that seems more of a glass ceiling than electing a white woman. Harris and Clinton just suck ass.
>>2562310tbh, I'm not so sure, looking at the timeline of US history, black men got the right to VOOT before women. black men have been more targeted with violence than women, but women are more likely to be infantilized, disenfranchised, and treated as ditsy baby factories and home makers. not saying this to defend hilldawg or kkkopmala
>>2562311Heh, you think Donica is going to the UN and not acting unilaterally? He's all alone and Maduro has allies. There's a difference here.
>>2562310they elected a half black man with a white mom who was probably CIA (based on her weird tendency to live in other countries around the time they were couped).
>>2562313I like being pessimistic. that way if I'm wrong I'm pleasantly surprised. if I'm optimistic and turn out wrong, that's just a fell for it again award.
>>2562315Hahaha got it. Gotta go, have a good one.
They say a man's role is to provide, sure. But capitalism twists this into a transaction, into something that's only quantifiable via direct financial success. I started this community pantry, and while I haven't been able to actually buy things for it, I am the person who sorts it, who organizes it, who puts out notices on what we have, what we need, what's being taken, what's not. Baby food actually getting taken? Might be worth letting people know someone needs that shit. Might be worth asking around, "Do you even have a stove to cook with?" when we realize we've got too many dry goods but the canned stuff gets taken right away.
The capitalist wants you to internalize a viewpoint wherein this sort of providership is invalid. After all, if you were "really getting it," you'd be the one just buying the formula. It wouldn't be a community pantry then; it would be a transaction. You're just doing charity at best, sugaring at worst. What feels better: dropping $300 on a dinner date to flex for some chick who ain't really even like ya as a person, or making sure people you actually know are having their needs taken care of?
The money trap is just that — a trap — and it's taken me a lot to start realizing that. When you're so focused on money as the measure of your personal value, you lose sight of the real ways you can provide, the real work it takes to build. You get blinded by the capitalist framework. Your value cannot be reduced down to a number; a real community is too interdependent for that. It took a lot of pillars to support the Parthenon. One pillar might be strong, might hold up one section, but if it was the only pillar? Homie, that roof is collapsing, no matter the strength.
That's why mutual aid is so powerful. You're building pillars of support in a way that the capitalist simply cannot comprehend. I'm gonna keep it a buck: I'm really not trying to be out here debating for YouTube views, or trying to finesse the algo to get that newest video posted, or see how many upvotes we can get on some Twitter-bait shitpost. I'm trying to be out here doing the damn thing. They know me, they know the clout, they know the score, but the visitor count, the readership, the audience, the notoriety, the "dirtbag leftism" ain't shit to me — ain't mean nothing if we ain't here doing the work.
Breaking down the real chains. Carrying the heavy loads. Having the hard conversations. Connecting the networks. Going to the masses. There's work to be done that must be done and will be done, and that work ain't just wage-slavery trap-house cooking in whatever kitchen — back of house, back of the alley, chicken or crack — selling and moving the money around. It only matters if you're building something bigger than yourself, something truly revolutionary.
It's about sowing the fields that the spark can catch ablaze. A single spark can start a prairie fire, but comrades, we have nothing here but concrete caskets and a bleak, overwhelming sense of alienation. Time to break down the concrete. Time to be a pillar. Time to sow the fields. That's the new energy. The grind continues, transmuted into revolutionary moxie.
—Erik Houdini
>>2562318>$300 on a dinner dateThis dumb shit again? Get over it already loser
>>2562318Why do you use AAVE when you're white? I think you should cut back on it as it comes off strangely
>>2562191> the maga base is cultishNah, not the base. The cultish ones are the minority, you have to remember that. Trump's bread and butter is not the MAGA cult, it's people like your parents.
>>2562319Hundreds of dollars for a gold covered steak exists in the real world. It was a tiktok meme a few years ago.
https://www.mashed.com/1330603/viral-tiktok-gold-covered-steak/>>2562325Is limiting certain slang to certain races racist?
Are there any really good articles or books or even videos on the sociology and/or psychology of the rabid Trump supporter? Maybe in comparison with Democrats who, on average, are more grounded and less psychologically entangled with their party/party leaders. But primarily looking for a good deep dive on the former. I can break most of it down and I'd probably come to the same points that you would, but I can't formulate my thoughts very well, hence the search for those who have.
>>2562333There're countless books on Maga Cultism, but good luck finding any not from a shallow liberal perspective.
>>2562325people talk like they talk man who cares.
>muh AAVE thoughand how did "AA" come into existence, and why are they speaking "E" instead of swahili? Because of the environment they were born into!!! not because they're larping as white people!!! similarly if a white person speaks AAVE it's because of the environment they were born into!!! not because they're larping as black people!!!
>>2562333i used Klaus Thelwiet's book 'Male Fantasies' and zizek's obscene enjoyment you can just get a summary via deepseek.
>>2562186Maybe there is a video…
Trump's crimes must be really bad considering the decades of painstaking work and vast amounts of money that have been devoted to covering them up. Like everyone's talking about the child molestation but that's probably only the beginning. The murders, the money laundering, the bribery, complicity all the way up to the top of the federal government, etc. I don't know if the Epstein files will be the thing that finally reveal the full story, something tells me it won't but eventually I think the truth will be revealed, a criminal conspiracy of this magnitude is simply too big to cover up forever, the paper trail and the evidence of what was going on between Epstein and Trump and what was going on inside Mar-A-Lago will always be there just waiting for someone to put all the pieces together. On top of that you have thousands of victims and they all have some pretty horrific stories to tell and there is big money in being the network who gets to broadcast their stories. Get ready for lots of documentaries.
>>2562359Another thing to think about, it is likely that the full enormity of Donald Trump's criminal activities will not be revealed until after his death, which is probably what he is banking on. His existence will be like a poison pill that America swallowed that slowly but surely destroys the public trust and the fabric of our society long after he is gone, as the evidence continues to pile up and the world becomes aware of what he did and who was involved and how deep the corruption really goes. That will be Trump's final farewell gift to the world, posthumously destroying the United States and causing another civil war by the mere grotesqueness of his legacy.
>>2562304Why elect the social fascist if you can get brand name fascism.
>>2562058Uh oh someone failed math in high school
>>2562217in fact, the only election the nazis ever won was a referendum with like negative percent turnout which rigged to top it off. call me a labor aristocracy denier but beware that you are arguing hannah arendt's position then.
>>2562268The whole point of Congress is to regulate the president. If trump can just sidestep them then there's really nothing congress or the legislature can do to stop him. There is no 'political suicide' for trump if there's no governmental instrument that can remove him, the country is essentially a military dictatorship at the moment
>>2562116I think he's being genuine. If you look at anons like
>>2562076 these guys still regurgitate narratives from 60 years ago as if we still lived in the period of the Panthers and the SDS. I'm not saying that black people are no longer oppressrd today, but talking about black national-minority revolution in the year of our lord 2025 is borderline absurd once you look at the economic and statistical data of the United States. We are as distant from the 70s as the 70s is to the October Revolution
>>2562424To be fair to the new left people, we still have many people here who unironically thinks that there will a bolshevik revolution style vanguardist revolution in the US, in fucking 2025, so who am i to bash new leftists for holding on to dead narratives
These leaks have taught me how retarded the booj are.
All these messages feel like they're written by people with brain damage.
>>2562444>bolshevik revolution style vanguardist revolutionThis is frankly inevitable as america is the nation most conductive for one due to its historical conditions, probably not in 2025 but relatively soon
>>2562449I mean we already know since Hillary's e-mails dropped that these people are basically a bunch of retarded middle managers.
What do you think will happen when it is revealed to the entire world that the US government covered up an international child sex trafficking criminal conspiracy for 20 years and murdered Epstein and Virginia Guiffre and possibly several others to protect a pedophile they elected president twice?
People always talk about how they think the Trump supporters in the US might react to the news, whether they would believe it or just say its a hoax, but what about the international reaction? The US is not a self-sufficient economy, it lives on its international reputation. The world invests money into US businesses because they know that the US is a stable predictable country that at least has some semblance of law and order. Not many countries would want to be associated with the US anymore after something like that. And don't forget that this was an international human trafficking operation and a lot of the identified victims have been young girls abducted from France and other countries in Europe. Would the European Union continue to do business with a country whose president stole their children and sold them into sexual slavery? How do you atone for that? The US will probably become a rogue state. The only allies the US would have would be the sleaziest greasiest scummiest countries in the world, like Saudi Arabia.
>>2562462>Would the European Union continue to do business with a country whose president stole their children and sold them into sexual slavery? The reality is there are thousands of little Epstein operations out there in the world. The EU had their own Epstein situation 30 years ago, nothing changed then and nothing will change now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutrouxhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Manuel_Schadwald >>2562473>One piece flagoh it's glowie supported
>>2562467>The reality is there are thousands of little Epstein operations out there in the world.Yeah but they didn't involve the POTUS and they weren't anything on this kind of scale. Epstein trafficked girls from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Czech Republic, Hungary, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, France, the United Kingdom, and Serbia. The citizens of every one of those countries will know that their young girls were abducted and smuggled overseas to America where they were imprisoned in some remote pedo resort like Mar-A-Lago or Epstein's island where all the richest pedophiles in the world ran a train on them day and night at the behest of the President of the United States. How do you spin that one?
>>2562462>Would the European Union continue to do business with a country whose president stole their children and sold them into sexual slavery? there are something like 3 trillion dollars going between the EU and the US. of course they would keep it going.
>>2562476>How do you spin that one?You don't, but nobody will care. too many interests at play for it to matter
>>2562473Yeah no. this one is a blatant attempt at a colour revolution. This is the Mexican right trying to regain power by forcefully ousting Morena and exploiting legitimate grievances stemming from cartel violence & trying to appeal to the youth with all of the hallmarks of a Gen Z-style protest in order to do so. And the particular kind of image they're trying to portray of the protests and the government on social media also has a lot of the hallmarks of the same exact playbook that the CIA has used in Cuba and Venezuela to co-opt protests and legitimate grievances there and try to spin it all as some grand, spontaneous, and heroic mass uprising by the people against the governments of these countries and anything they've ever done and accomplished.
The right there is also trying to whitewash their own history of being involved with the drug trade and cartels while they were still in power by doing all of this. Their proclaimed and official reasoning for the protests is because of some Bukele wannabe there who defected to their side after initially being elected as a Morena candidate, who ended up getting killed by one of the cartels after saying that he was gonna take them on directly (which Sheinbaum herself has also been doing), and who literally nobody has heard of until they started to try and turn this dude into a martyr for their coup attempt.
>>2562479I don't know, I think there's a limit to how much bullshit everyday citizenry can be expected to swallow at one time and at a certain point the dam breaks.
>>2562487I’ve read many comments saying this, but I want more evidence. The Nepalese uprising was also being ridiculed by the media by saying Gen Z was protesting because of internet censorship.
Even if there are right elements in the protest, many of the are real youths who want change
>>2562076>but then explicitly or implicitly claim that said Black and Native people are exploiters of the third worldBecause there's no materialist criteria according to which poor white Americans are exploiters of the third world but poor non-white Americans are not. You have to veer into idealist explanations for how one can be an exploiter and the other exploited despite nearly identical economic conditions.
>>2562351swahili is from east africa, retard
>>2562473they are a nothingburger at best and CIAslop at worst
Graham Palantir status?
>>2562492Real change means rioting because westoid monopoly is banned and electing neoliberal on discord
>>2562473what no theory does to a mf
>>2562396The math is correct and you are wrong.
>>2562333Democrats have lower likelihood to have high school diploma, hencr their political ignorance and apathy
>>2562473the "young" is not the class which can abolish capitalism you dumbfuck. Juvenophilia is a cornerstone of fourth int'l Trotskyism and a cornerstone of retarded narodnik-like anarchist movements (Kurds, for example).
>>2562444and then there are people like you who think that revolution is impossible and use that as an a priori justification to not join and build a party
is the US really the weak link of imperialism this time around? i've always got the impression that it was Europe
>>2562510If the math is wrong please give full mathematical proofs and correction. The data is linked. Otherwise you must be trolling to deny american imperialism
>>2562511A politically aware youth is always a victory. It means the propaganda and social media are not as effective as we may think
>Trump sucked a dick
I’m starting to believe there might be a pee tape out there
>>2562478The EU doesn't really need the US that badly. The stuff the EU imports from the US are things like semiconductors, crude oil and natural gas, aerospace equipment, chemicals. The EU could import tech components and aircraft and chemicals from China instead, they could import oil/gas from Norway, Qatar, Africa, they could even go back to buying their oil and gas from Russia and they would probably sooner do that than debase themselves buying it from pedo America.
Do you know what the US imports from Europe? All of our pharmaceuticals, our drugs that we need to live, which we don't know how to make here and we never could make them here because our population are too fucking uneducated.
>>2562513It’s complicated, but yesh
>>2562516Absolutely
>>2562487 (me)
I also wanna say that if all of this is genuine, then it's real fucking peculiar that we aren't seeing a similar uprising in staunch US ally El Salvador - whose government has recently been exposed for making backdoor deals with MS-13's leaders; even after the supposed big gang crackdown that made Bukele an internationally recognized name (which itself has been exposed as fraudulent, with the only real changes being discovered is that the murder rate is being fudged by the Bukele regime and that gang killings are done far from the public eye now, with the victims dumped in unmarked mass graves afterwards), and having MS-13 join Bukele's party and do some campaigning work for it, and whose government is enjoying similar levels of popularity in the polls as that of Sheinbaum's government.
Especially with the increase of repressive moves there against literally any journalists and HROs who report on his regime's human rights violations and corruption.
>>2562492I don't doubt that young people there want change, I'm just doubting the scale and role and reasonings of these protests. The Morena government has its problems for sure and there's no denying that, but it's nowhere near as unpopular as Peru's Boluarte in her last week in office before being ousted by an actually legitimate and popular mass revolt against her corrupt & incompetent presidency, or Venezuela's Maduro once oil prices really started crashing; hampering the government's ability to continue funding its social welfare programs and Bolivarian missions, and the US & Venezuelan right saw it as an opportunity to oust him and PSUV from power via sanctions and protests. And I'm also doubting the authenticity of the claims of these protests representing the masses since reportedly, a lot of the Gen Z figures who initially endorsed the protests are now disavowing them, while it's only the aforementioned right who's trying to regain power and has its own history of narcocorruption whose continuing to endorse them:
https://apnews.com/article/mexico-generation-z-protest-9b0a8b1461a1ec47cce696d25e04feb5 >>2562518>The EU could import tech components and aircraft and chemicals from China instead,That would involve being subject to Chinese tech export controls that America also has. So for the EU it's either be a slave to America or the EU, there's no independent future for them until they onshore an actual sovereign tech sector
*America or China
>>2562473>The flag of ONE PIECE has become a symbolright wing color revolution piece of shit, gtfo.
>>2562512It is the other way around, people are going to join parties if revolutions are possible. Or not even revolution, just possibility to change things. This is why people are joining DSA en masse now, since in their view you can actually change things by doing that, much more than larping as the bolsheviks
The Left is not a religion or cult, in case you don't notice. People with left wing sympathies are not going to join a doomed or hopeless cause just because its the 'morally right thing to do'. They want to join because they see a possibility of success, and you cannot find even the remotest possibility of success among either tankies or new left talking about American decolonization
New Mamdani just dropped, Los Angeles edition. Free public transit to boot. nothing can stop the rising tide of socialism
>>2562462 Literally nothing, just like the Franklin scandal had no effect
>>2562545God I wish that was me. The guys I mean
>>2562473These revolts are almost completely depoliticized, it's just unfocused displeasure at the
status quo. That makes them liable to be steered by glowies. So far, these revolts have been worse than nothing.
>>2562571Isn't the new mexican president one of the most popular presidents of all time though
>>2562577Correct, she is. But Mexico's still dealing with the worsening scourge of cartel violence, even with her going harder on the cartels than AMLO did. A lot of this discontent stems from that and it's what the Mexican right is trying to exploit to have her overthrown; and in particular, they're utilizing the recent cartel murder of Carlos Manzo. AKA, the aforementioned Bukele wannabe I was talking about in an earlier post.
>>2562577"all time" might be an exaggeration but yeah she had 73% approval rating in september
anyway, here's a totally normal protest message
come to think of it, playing up antisemitism would be a good way to delegitimize these >>2562272>You overestimate America. The average American, including all of Congress, is rabidly pro-war and pro-imperialism. The vast majority of Americans are willing and enthusiastic collaborators."How Graham Platner Exposes the U.S. Left" - BadEmp
>>2562282>our community pantry needs kid friendly snacksErik Houdini doing a remake of "Our Gang"/The Little Rascals great depression film series
>>2562582>the recent cartel murder of Carlos Manzo. AKA, the aforementioned Bukele#RIPbozo
incidentally, a leftist bukele would be an absolutely unstoppable force in any latin american country, and he would have the perfect opportunity for throwing reactoids into a literal gulag
>>2562492The fact the US isn't trying to end the protests is all the proof you need that it's a color revolution bruh. You think they'd let a genuine revolution happen in their next door neighbor?
>>2562531>people are joining DSA en masse now, since in their view you can actually change things by doing that, joining the Democratic party NGO apparatus will change things 🤡
Zohran is literally controlled by the same public relations firm as that Blackwater Zionist Graham Platner who never once said the words "imperialism" or "colonialism" before DSA radlibs shoved them into his mouth
>much more than larping The DSA is larping, they aren't a party with discipline, it is a voluntary org for neoliberal consumerists to chose their preferred consumer products
>They want to join because they see a possibility of success, and you cannot find even the remotest possibility of success among either tankies or new left talking about American decolonization"Zionist settler opportunists are true socialists, decolonization is DEEPLY UNSERIOUS" - neoliberals who say 'sex work is work, google Bookchin' because they are petite Jeffrey Epsteins who actually do want decolonized private pagan temple islands
>>2562593>For too long, the media and the chattering class have said that the Catholic Church clergy abuse scandal was due to “pedophile priests.” Wrong. The data clearly show that the vast majority of priestly victims were male (81 percent) and that 78 percent were postpubescent. Why is this important? Because it means the molesters were homosexuals. When males have sex with males who are postpubsecent, that’s called homosexuality, not pedophilia.I'm fucking dying lmao
>>2562592libfash detected
>>2562593this is not a good look
>>2562583>fucking Jew.wow… lmao. Mexican nazis?
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