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>>2571257Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Why did the thread got nuked and what do you think of Mamdani selling out minutes after election sound off below
>>2573287I suspect the baker of the thread got banned for some reason and the mods decided to blanket-delete all their posts, not realizing it included an OP.
>>2573290What did baker get banned for?
>>2573290Apparently they were doing a bunch of racist troll posts elsewhere and the mods decided to do the usual "delete all" function
Anyways, contrary to claims that he is backsliding into liberalism it appears Zohran has appointed a staunch police abolitionist to the transition team. The libs are not happy with this development, because without police who else is going to brutally crack down on people protesting outside stolen Gazan real estate auctions?
>>2573290Cool. So, one can bake a thread and then provoke mods to ban them and so cockblock an entire thread of anons huh. Awesome.
>>2573296It's more about how the synthetic hormones are hitting for that jannie in that specific moment vs. what anyone posted.
>>2573299>Apparently they were doing a bunch of racist troll postsSource?
of course you are that very jannie just making shit up >>2573300communism = mod power + the rangebanning of all anons
>>2573302Mods, ban this chud for transphobia NOW!
Oh no, how will I live without reading thread no. 3547 about how everyone is a Nazi except me, and then whining over China
>>2573305No I'm just in the Matrix chat and can actually ask them shit, you should try it sometime
>>2573314>No I'm just in the Matrix chat and can actually ask them shit, you should try it sometimeWhy would I want to hang out with the jannies in their safe space?
>>2573314I suspect the last baker was the anon with the Nazi flag spamming low effort soyjaks all over the place.
>>2573324bullshit. If I knew which of my 1000 VPNs they banned, I would find you the offending post.
>>2573317Hey you asked for a source
But yes, Alex Vitale is a straight up police abolitionist, mega based, hated by libs, considered a scourge of humanity by Ted Cruz. Great guy all around. After the whole fiasco with retaining the police commissioner this gives me a little more hope that Mamdani actually means what he says
>>2573328>Hey you asked for a sourceI guessed it was the Matrix. I've glanced in there once years ago. It's sad how they don't even want to use the website they moderate anymore.
>>2573299>Zohran has appointed a staunch police abolitionist to the transition team.Didn't he also keep an extremely zionist police commissioner? Hopefully it isn't in service of a big tent for these zio pedos to fuck people over
>>2573337>Didn't he also keep an extremely zionist police commissionerthe reality is police departments have never been at the whims of mayors or their cities. They are at the whims of the police unions
reminder they gave the nobel peace prize to someone who will undoubtedly defend the invasion of a country that has done 0 (zero) hostile actions toward the united states
>>2573351What does the average American voter see as the "principles of socialism"?
>>2573357Free burgers. Every day.
>>2573355she's become rather deranged as of late
>>2573357>>2573359In this economy a free burger is very anti-capitalist.
>>2573361>she's become rather deranged *based as of lateFTFY
>>2573367>The Soviet Union had no affordable luxur-BORGER?
>>2573376No. It's just two overly emotional people.
>>2573299Mamdani really reminds me a lot of AMLO as mayor of mexico city. He promised re-zoning and he will deliver, but the housing commission is half YIMBYs and state developers so it's going to be some monkey's paw moment and most housing that will be built will be luxury housing, similar to AMLO's bando 2.
>>2573374this is how we win
>>2573296>>2573290I got one of my IPs banned because it was related to a pedo post. annoying shit to use a VPN and get a full retaliation because a pedo spammer uses it, too.
Why is everyone is making videos about Nick Fuentes?? It's all I see on youtube.
>>2573390Because the ruling class is desperate to promote him as an alternative to socialism
>>2573378Yeah I think that's a great comparison. He's gonna push it to see what's actually possible in the system we got, and that's better than what we have now, and of course we'll have more work to do etc. But I'm still happy and amlo is still cool.
>>2573390unfortunately, he just is that popular.
>>2573390didn't you know? nazis aren't hate symbols now, they are
potentially divisive.
expect soon the
we defeated the nazis, but at what cost headlines in the MSM.
>>2573399Watch Free Birds, it's unironically peak
>>2573394Except it's obviously currently backfiring to the point where there's murderous rage against "gentrifiers" brewing in mexico city, the comparison against AMLO is not positive.
That's right.
We're going back in time to the first Thanksgiving to get mercantilism OFF the menu.
why the fuck does trump have to say the same 5 points every single time he's doing something
>>2573300>So, one can bake a thread and then provoke mods to ban them and so cockblock an entire thread of anons huh. Awesome.Usual baker here. This seems to happen about 30-50% of the time whenever someone besides me bakes.
If I happen to be sleeping or at work when the thread gets full, I think there's one schizo who goes out of his way to make a thread, and then make as many rule-breaking posts as possible. And then the mods, in their frustration, delete all rather than one-by-one deal with the reports. That's my suspicion. I don't actually talk to the mods about this. I'm just going off of pattern-nooticing powers alone here.
flood detector, I responded to the wrong anon the first time >>2573420because repeating short thought terminating slogans legitimately hypnotizes followers. the more you repeat something, the more it "becomes true" for the people who listen to you.
>>2573393>Because the ruling class is desperate to promote him as an alternative to socialismYes. And his shills who come here seethe if you point this out. The ruling class knows by now that negative attention gives people just as much power as positive attention, which is how Trump came to power.
>>2573393>Because the ruling class is desperate to promote him as an alternative to socialismis there an example you could share of a western politician or big bourgeoise openly supporting this guy. Bari Weiss openly hates his guts, and she controls a majority of american legacy media. The international bourgeoise, Netanyahu, openly hates his guts bc groypers are insane catholic nationalists
That is a big turkey.
>>2573393>the ruling class is some youtuber with 5k subsyou have lost the plot
>>2573425>Chuck Schumer is playing 5D chess>he's not just an old out of touch fuckwit>the people are just clamoring for socialism thoAbsolutley delusional
>>2573327Lmao at USA propping up these pet projects.
>>2573429Media “hated” trump too. The media is pretty fucking hated and can pied pipper people to turbo reactionaries very easily just by feigning outrage against them, while at the same time giving them 24/7 news coverage. Now granted the zios prolly legit do see nick is a threat but with or without nick the Zionist project is done for. They have prolly till the end of the trump term if that before the U.S ruling class is forced to pull the rug on the whole thing. Our ruling class wants to throw Jews under the bus along with all the other minorities and will prolly blame “Jewish hypnosis” or some shit as the reason the diddled a bunch of kids and laundry all our money and reputation away. Argentina will become our new Israel project and they’ll repeat in a couple decades.
>>2573439I love the subtle cover for the jewish oligarchy
>>2573440Love the not so subtle deflection against all the oligarchs to just blame the Jewish ones specifically. You’re a retard that’s dancing to the medias tune and you don’t even no it.
>>2573441Warren Buffet and Jeff Bezos aren't shilling for genocide
>>2573439>feigning outrage you're actually rarted lol. the media genuinely hates trump and they genuinely hate fuentes even more
>>2573441>anti-semitism is the socialism of foolsThere's at least 2 posts in each thread that affirm this quote
>>2573433That is part of propaganda propogation plus it's paying people off, 5k sub youtuber is cheap
>>2573446showing my hate by giving billions of dollars in free coverage and attention
>>2573435the year is 2045, nick fuentes is in the fuhrer bunker. Russian and Chinese troops from the jungle gang division are closing in on the white house, having defeated the last division of azov battalion mercenaries led by general kanye west. Fuentes sucks the barrel of a pistol, but it fails to fire, because it was made in america. he commands his furry nazi tradwife femboy vice president sex slave to call up CIA chief candace owens. she answers
"yes mein fuhrer?"
"burn the evidence. none of this happened, but if it did, it was based, and should happen again."
>>2573450Nice schizo theory retard, do you have a single shred of evidence to back it up?
>>2573416TOG
Turkish occupied government
>>2573455>China >Doing anything but making a buck from the misery of othersThat's how I found out this is wishful larp fiction
>>2573451>playing a roletrump is an outsider, but he's still a product of elite society. They won't cover Fuentes the same way because he isn't "one of them". Modern american journalists especially on the East Coast are elite members of society never forget that
>>2573454true but at the same time the propaganda machine does its work
>>2573460Trump sold out to Israel. Fuentes gives no impression that he will ever do that. They hate him.
>>2573459China will go to war with America not because it actually wants to get off its ass do anything (thus ending the do nothing win streak), but because America will keep provoking until it has to.
>>2573463it's simple, fuentes shill. we oppose fuentes because we don't want tradcath theocracy. It doesn't matter if he's right about everything and has more momentum than us. We oppose him because he wants to replace the existing retarded society with a different kind of reactionary retarded society that is simply based on a different sort of abrahamic schizophrenia.
>>2573466but the treats… the willing and gleeful collaboration…
>>2573467Doesn't matter what you oppose. Even 6 million socialists can't stop One Nick Fuentes.
>>2573466Just one more vooooote for Bernie will fix this, Burgersisters
>>2573463>Fuentes gives no impression that he will ever do that. So you're trusting literal nazoids based on pure vibes that they'll play nice?
the quivering bussy of the nation
>>2573460>the billionaire that goes to the same eyes wide shut parties as bill Clinton and Hillary is an outsider Anon, are you clinically retarded? Nick will also sell you out because that’s what conservatives do dumbass. They believe they are on top and everyone else’s is on the bottom.
>>2573472>literal nazoidsyou are retarded
>>2573463he isn't unique in that regard. anti israeli political platforms, especially among dems, are mainstream now, that's why legacy media is dying
>>2573460>shilling for fuentes on /leftypol/ Reading this thread was a mistake.
>>2573472you're talking to a reactionary fuentes shill who agrees with fuentes's tradcath theocracy yearnings so of course he trusts fuentes. the fuentes shill does not want socialism, he simply wants to replace the zionist reactionary bourgeoisie with a christian reactionary bourgeoisie.
>>2573476You think he joked about cookies?
>>2573478fuentes shills come every day and they get banned every day. they are relentless because opposing zionism is the #1 issue since october 2023 and has taken a back seat to any sort of class consciousness. They are winning because americans don't want to get rid of the bourgeoisie as a whole, they just want to replace zionist bourgeoisie with a bourgeoisie more loyal to the united states.
>>2573474I meant trump was an outsider of elite political society dominated traditionally by old money. Also I don't support Fuentes or his views he should be shot.
>>2573482you're talking to a person who agrees with fuentes. what do you think you're going to get out of this conversation?
>>2573482When he read out an superchat? Clutch your pearls harder.
>>2573477When it comes to votes maybe 200 out of 220 or whatever the fuck the number is will vote for the pro Israel postition.
Fuentes isn't unique in that regard, he isn't the first person on the right to hold his position, but he is a minority, and he's the most prominent person with his politics.
>>2573487You're pro genocide because the eternal victims are doing it. You are a brainwashed cuckold, pretending to be a rebel. Go fuck yourself.
>>2573485>I meant trump was an outsider of elite political society dominated traditionally by old money.how tf is trump an outsider. his father was a billionaire and so was he. the "outsider" narrative came from the idea that he's "not a politician." Americans are retarded and fail at any basic class consciousness, so for the average mouth breathing american, "politicians" are the #1 problem, and they fell for the "solution" of replacing the politicians with the capitalist billionaire "outsiders" who were bribing the politicians in the first place. this is because americans have been trained since the 80s to think you must get rid of "big gubbermint" and "run the country like a business." the average retard american is more opposed to income tax than surplus value, because the latter is invisible to them while the former is announced on each W2 form.
>>2573463Sorry Christcuck, we at Leftypol know your Jewish nigger Agenda. Nick Fuentes Worships a Jew, Sucks Dicks and Talks To Glowies. Imagine Shilling For A Catboy Lover. You Will Never Be A Real Conservative. We Socialists Are 5000% More Traditional Than You. We Are The Real Nationalists Too. Nick "The Mexican" Bows Before Stalin. Nick Land And Peter Thiel Bow Before CPC. You Lost Cuck. Go Sign Up To Die In Venezuela.
>>2573490>You're pro genocide because the eternal victims are doing itwhere did I say I was pro Israel you massive retard. Death to the bourgeoisie as a whole, including the zionist bourgeoisie. I am opposed to fuentes not because of his anti-zionism, but because his "solution" to the question of zionism is to simply replace the zionist bourgeoisie with a reactionary tradcath bourgeoisie.
So when is America activating its special military operation in Venezeula. And when that doesn't stop the Choineez menace, when will they decide the only way to keep funni line go up is to declare war on China?
>>2573490>When he read out an superchat? Clutch your pearls harder.Did he joke about cookies or not
>>2573492>repeating all the jewish talking pointsyikes
>>2573491Elite society is not one big monolith my guy. There are political cultural and regional circles. American political society was traditionally old money and wanted trump nowhere near the white house. They weren't negative in the media to trick people into thinking the opposite because thats stupid and counterproductive. Trumps rise in politics was simply elite infighting, he was both an outsider and "one of them"
>>2573483>bourgeoisie more loyal to the united states.No such thing as a loyal bourgeoisie. They’re all grifters and pedos concerned with lining their pocket. This is just
>the king has terrible advisers!But extrapolated to an even more rapacious and morally bankrupt ruling class.
>>2573499>goalpost shift from "trump is not an elite" to "trump is not the specific kind of elite I'm talking about"yes there are factions within the bourgeoisie. I do not dispute that. I am laughing at mouth breathing retard americans for replacing one insider with another and calling that "outsider"
>>2573502You misread, I said trump was a product of elite society in my post here
>>2573460 >>2573501I accept your correction because it is a good point and at least it is not shilling for tradcath reactionary multimillionaire e-celeb.
>>2573497Yes you autistic retard.
>>2573493You're equating guys like Buffet and Bezos with Ackman and Ellison. There is a big difference. One side is openly pro genocide, the other isn't. You're shielding one behind the other. You know you're not gonna get rid of the entire bourgeoisie any time soon so you're buying time for the genocidal 2% of the population to get their way before the 98% get the upper hand. This isn't stupidity, you know this is what you're doing.
>>2573504your original statement was self contradicting:
>trump is an outsider, but he's still a product of elite societyany product of elite society is not really an outsider unless he abandons his class entirely like friedrich engels. trump is loyal to his donors which is why he accelerates the privatization, deregulation, austerity, and so forth. his least reactionary thing was that he put the ukraine shit on ice for 4 years instead of escalating it in 2017 like they wanted. but that might have been out of fear more than out of anti-war sentiment. look at how poorly that proxy war went for NATO.
>>2573506And they say reformism isn't literally Hitler
>>2573506You think only the zionist bourgeoisie are genocidal? The non-zionist bourgeoisie has plenty of genocides on their hands as well, just in other regions of the world. I am not "buying time" for anyone because my opinion on this retarded imageboard is not relevant politically at all. I am just pointing out that your favorite multimillionaire reactionary e-celeb has his own ulterior motives and it makes you salty.
>>2573507>your original statement was self contradicting:Not really but if you're ESL I'll forgive you
gimme a tldw about whatever dumb shit you fags are arguing about
>>2573505Thanks anon wasn’t trying to be a dick to you, you’re point was correct too.
>>2573508>invoking Hitler to facilitate genocideShameless
>>2573510Yeah, really, which genocides are you associating Warren Buffet with? Do tell
>>2573511I said why but you didn't read
>>2573506What's so funny about denying the holocaust to you personally?
>>2573512The guy that’s been shilling Catboy nick has exposed himself and claimed nicks and outsider like trump, but trump was hypnotized by Jews or something.
>>2573515>Yeah, really, which genocides are you associating Warren Buffet with? Do tellI'm talking about the bourgeoisie as a whole. Why do I have to research warrant buffet's now? what is this new retarded goalpost. All I am saying is that fuentards want to replace zionist reactionary bourgeoisie with tradcath reactionary bourgeoisie. If that is "better" so be it, but it's not socialist. Maybe he will be Burgerland's Franco. Long live the butcher etc. etc.
>>2573519>I'm talking about the bourgeoisie as a whole. Yes I know. You're being deliberately vague and speaking in generalisation. I'm naming Jews.
>>2573521>Yes I know. You're being deliberately vague and speaking in generalisation. I'm naming Jews.Of course I'm being more general, because I recognize that capitalism as a system, whether it is controlled by Jews, or non-Jews, is a moribund system that's killing the planet, and you reactionaries are only opposed to genocides when demographics you don't care for are committing them. If demographics you don't care for are the victims, they're good genocides. Socialists are opposed to the bourgeoisie, in general, not just Jewish bourgeoisie, and they're opposed to genocides in general, not just genocides Jews commit. This does not mean that we "support genocide when Jews do it" as you are no doubt trying to allege. This is difficult for you to understand because you are stupid and reactionary.
>>2573511trump sucked bill clinton's dick. he's an insider in more ways than you can imagine.
>>2573525umm his mouth was on the outside and bill was on the inside, checkmate
>>2573517No it's because you're giving cover for a genocidal jewish mafia that thinks you are cattle and won't even let you talk about their crimes.
(Reactionary) >>2573528I talk about zionist crimes every day without swearing fealty to tradcath catboy e-celeb, you just don't notice because you only come here to shill catboy in usapol instead of going to palestine thread
>>2573528No, leftist have long opposed Israel. You’re the one giving cover to the genocidal, pedophile bourgeoisie cabal by blaming it all on Jews. Israel wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for Hitler and NATO.
>>2573528No, what? I'm asking you what you and your nazi hero Nick Fuentes find funny about the holocaust
>debating groypers
Just mock or ignore them, they're not worth your time
>>2573524Don't bother. Groypers have terminal tribe-brain disease and arent' capable of thinking in systems or structures, so they think that abstractions are covers for tribes they don't like. They're literally too dumb to understand that the system means *the system*
>>2573533I always talk on here under the assumption that there's a lot of young impressionable lurkers who need to hear the counter arguments for the first time. if all they see is the fuenteards getting ignored/banned, that will give the fuentards toe forbidden fruilt appeal they so desire, which comes from a combination of getting banned, and no counter arguments being given. since the counter arguments are very simple and obvious to me, I repeat them. We do not want to replace a zionist bourgeoisie with an non-zionist bourgeoisie, we want to get rid of the bourgeoisie altogether. This does not preclude opposing zionism, it includes opposing zionism. Our project is the greater project, and it requires no recourse to tradcath reationary nationalist catboy e-celebs.
>>2573537Fair enough, but to my mind, influencer cults like Fuentes and his groyper simps are like those nigerian prince scam emails: the point isn't to be convincing to the average person, the point is that it's spam that gets blasted at volume so that just enough of the dumbest motherfuckers in the population fall for it. It's a self-selecting crowd of people who were already dumb enough for fall for dumb bullshit.
So if I see a Fuentes simp, I assume they're already a dumb motherfucker who won't listen to reason, and groyper crap just happened to be the bait that caught them.
>>2573540>Fair enough, but to my mind, influencer cults like Fuentes and his groyper simps are like those nigerian prince scam emails: the point isn't to be convincing to the average person, the point is that it's spam that gets blasted at volume so that just enough of the dumbest motherfuckers in the population fall for it. It's a self-selecting crowd of people who were already dumb enough for fall for dumb bullshit. True
>>2573545
Oh, you misunderstand. We're not crying to the mods, we're telling you you're a moron who will never amount to anything because you're enough of a dumb motherfucker to believe influencers.
>>2573545
I was the one responding to you but I was not the one who reported you. I told you already that we do not reject anti-zionism, we merely reject the reactionary aspects of Fuentes, i.e. that he wishes the replace the zionist bourgeoisie with a christian bourgeoisie. That is an incomplete solution for several reasons I have already outlined, but you don't seem interested.
>>2573537>We do not want to replace a zionist bourgeoisie with an non-zionist bourgeoisie, we want to get rid of the bourgeoisie altogether. This is true, and I agree, but the question would better be framed as "Is it easier for an American socialist revolution to succeed under the thumb of a strong American bourgeoise, or the international bourgeoise? Does it play into our advantage to tear the Americans away from the (zionist) international imperialist coalition or would a strong american bourgeoise that can focus on domestic counter-revolution be detrimental to our cause?"
Actually, hold up.
Who wants to bet on how long until the groyper gets mad and starts spamming soyjaks? I say 10 posts.
>>2573549>Does it play into our advantage to tear the Americans away from the (zionist) international imperialist coalition or would a strong american bourgeoise that can focus on domestic counter-revolution be detrimental to our cause?"lol? do you seriously think that any international bourgeois will side with zionism over the united states? this sounds silly to even imagine to me.
>>2573552Well, Taiwan already kinda is. America can no longer be a guarantor of safety.
>Citing Biblical story, Taiwan president says Israel is a model for island's defencehttps://archive.ph/zmvOY >>2573549>"Is it easier for an American socialist revolution to succeed under the thumb of a strong American bourgeoise, or the international bourgeoise? Does it play into our advantage to tear the Americans away from the (zionist) international imperialist coalition or would a strong american bourgeoise that can focus on domestic counter-revolution be detrimental to our cause?"This is a very good question that I admittedly do not have a good answer to. I suspect that in the short term the reactionary nationalists, the america-first types, will get the upper hand slowly, while the left will languish due to lack of organization. If America decouples from zionist israel, it will not be free of the international bourgeoisie. We have relationships after all with the bourgeoisie in latin america, europe, asia, africa, and australia. Particularly NATO and Ukraine have strong influences on our foreign policy right now, and not just Israel. There is also our relationships with the gulf states, like saudi arabia, who we helped commit a genocide in Yemen through starvation and bombings only 10 years ago. so while decoupling with zionism would be a victory, and the victory of reactionary nationalists would intensify class struggle at home, we need to be organizing for the domestic struggle NOW rather than letting the domestic nationalist reactionaries gain the upper hand without organizing.
>>2573556
>i'm making up shit you didn't say and giving short dismissive answers hoping nobody notices
two can play at that game
>>2573552the international bourgeois at this point is almost exclusively zionists trying to extract wealth from america to israel tho.
>>2573555>we need to be organizing for the domestic struggle NOW rather than letting the domestic nationalist reactionaries gain the upper hand without organizing.100% agree
>>2573557I mean, this is what I'm talking about. Groypers are resentful shitheads who engage in bad faith. They want to see themselves as smart but they know deep down they're dumb, and so they troll and strawman in bad-faith whenever they don't have a counter-argument so that they can hide the fact that they're reacting defensively, because they can't *stand* feeling self-conscious. So influencers like Fuentes give them permission to be shamelessly abrasive pseuds who piss everybody else off.
>>2573560weren't you (or was that someone else) saying earlier ITT that we need to support the non-zionist bourgeoisie like Bezos and Buffet?
>>2573444>>2573506 >>2573429>is there an example you could share of a western politician or big bourgeoise openly supporting this guy>Heritage Foundation defended Tucker Carlson decision of interviewing him.>Marjorie Taylor Greene spoke at a Fuentes-linked conference>Paul Gosar spoke at Fuentes’ conference>Trump dined with Nick Fuentes.>Texas PAC hosted Fuentesyou seems to not be a burgerstani, or maybe you are living under a rock. nazi fuckntes is popular among various right wing politicians.
>>2573566
^ for folks reading this, these posts right here are a great example of what groypers do. This guy's trying to slant the playing field in bad faith by making it about *his* parasocial relationship with an influencer who doesn't even know he exists. Why? Because it's about his ego. The dude doesn't give a fuck about true and false, just about maintaining a narrative that gives his ego permission to be an obnoxious troll.
To any newbie lurkers reading this - don't fall for these freaks. They're a cult that will take advantage of whatever loneliness you feel so that an influencer can make money off clicks.
>>2573569>weren't you (or was that someone else) saying earlier ITT that we need to support the non-zionist bourgeoisie like Bezos and Buffet? nope i just got here and my stance is there is no good billionaire and we should hang them all.
i'm simply stating that the international bourgeois very much would support israel over america if it suits their financial interests, which it does.
>>2573566
idk what that even means. I have repeatedly told you that groypers don't have a monopoly on anti-zionism and i oppose them for reasons other than their anti-zionism. They are correct on the basic question of anti-zionism, they are wrong because they want to replace the international zionist bourgeoisie with a nationalist non-zionist christian bourgeoisie. They want to revert to an earlier stage of American imperialism, pre-1948, when American imperialism was driven by the Monroe doctrine and national interests, rather than being loyal to a more international bourgeoisie. That is why Groypers started out as the anti-zionist wing of MAGA, and decoupled from MAGA once it was clear that Zion Don was not "Zyklon Don" as their progenitors on /pol/ were laughably calling him in 2015.
>>2573577
^ Another great example! He knows he doesn't have a counter-argument, so he's resorting to taunts.
Troll 101, folks. You challenge them, the mask slips.
>>2573574the Heritage Foundation guy was forced to take back his comments btw
Nick Fuentes, the Democrats, DSA and Zohran. I tire of the false opposition and I await the time we can wrap up this entire situation permanently.
>>2573582yeah i am familiar with the tactic of walking back stuff quietly after pushing it loudly
>>2573584truth supernova, amen
>>2573580Because they don't *want* to be told.
The MAGA/America-First right don't want to understand how the system actually works and how they work as controlled opposition, because it's a blow to their ego. Their ego rests on a shallow *aesthetics* of rebellion, not any actual substance of it. They have to maintain the kayfabe to the end.
>>2573563Exactly, they want you to hate anarchy because they want you to follow the fashy cult like trad christian MAGA sheep
>>2573587they're not that smart. east coast elites are like sadistic cavemen
>>2573579It wouldn’t surprise me that Fuentes gets boosted for the sake of shit coating anti-zionism as anti-semitic.
>>2573589what's funny is that your average 25 year old groyper who hate "Zion Don" now was calling him "Zyklon Don" on 4/pol/ when they were 15. They think we don't remember that.
>>2573591>they're not that smart. east coast elites are like sadistic cavemennah they do this all the time. I remember when america tried to smuggle arms to the venezuela opposition to colombia by disguising it as food aid. maduro's troops blocked the "aid" to inspect it while glowie colombian "protestors" lobbed molotovs at them. one of the molotovs hit the "food aid" and NYT reported that teh venezuelans threw it and doctored footage to remove the part showing the colombian throwing it. 3 weeks later, after it was out of the news cycle, they walked it back. I see stuff like this happen all the time.
>>2573592it's funny that zionists and groypers both seem to agree that anti-zionism and anti-semitism are the same thing. It's just that they formulate that equation differently based ont their perspectives. Zionists formulate it as "all anti-zionists are anti-semites" while groypers formulate it as "you're not truly anti-zionist unless you're an anti-semite"
Internet nazis are completely irrelevant, it's an /isg/ subject
>>2573594no that's simple media spin. different situation entirely
>>2573599it's not a different situation because the "apologized" and "walked back" their media spin after it was out of the news cycle, which is exactly what I meant when I said:
< i am familiar with the tactic of walking back stuff quietly after pushing it loudly >>2573603It wasn't spin in the first place. It was a mistake. Can you keep up
>>2573594>what's funny is that your average 25 year old groyper who hate "Zion Don" now was calling him "Zyklon Don" on 4/pol/ when they were 15. They think we don't remember that. The right is going through what the left went through in the 2010s/early 20s - they're hollowing themselves out into substanceless internet subcultures who are all about virtue-signaling to their side.
While the left is recovering and rediscovering that yes, if you want to do anything constructive, you have to appeal to the normies, the right are slowly making themselves pariahs to everyone outside their base.
The only difference is that the online 2010s left never got any direct political power, whereas the 2020s online right actually currently has power via the whole tradcath and techbro crowds and their links to congress and the white house. \
And we're seeing how well it goes when an online subculture concerned mainly with resentment and triggering people gets power - the economy's going to shit because a vibes-based movement will never know how to run shit!
>>2573605Are you the other anon who said
>no that's simple media spin. different situation entirelyIf so you are now saying
>It wasn't spin in the first place.
> It was a mistake. Can you keep upIf you are referring to my NYT venezuela example given above, it wasn't a "mistake" since they deliberately edited footage to not include the timestamp where the colombian threw the molotov at the venezuelans. It was delbierately misleading and they only walked it back after it was out of the news cycle. You put the lie on page 1 and the retraction on page 20. It's a classic technique. It's used to give plausible deniability later on.
can we stop talking about groypers now its really lame
>>2573608Fair enough, we should take it to /ISG/
>>2573607Can't stand ESL posters that can't keep their arguments on track holy fuq
>>2573610
it's funny how you contradict me but never have a real argument
>>2573608I keep reporting this guy for nazi apologia but I guess mods like Fuentes too
>>2573610
NTA but that's pretty much exactly who they are when you strip away all the pretense
>>2573611I'm not ESL.
>>2573613They've banned him already he just gets a new IP. banning on imageboards is virtually pointless with VPNs. Mods try to ban VPN IP addresses but they only seem to query common VPN vendors for their IP lists, like NordVPN.
>>2573615>being so dedicated to trolling random strangers that you go out of your way to use a VPN to never get bannedIt's always really funny to me how trolls try to project an image of strength when the second people find out you're doing that, it's instant perma-loser shit. Like come the fuck on. Read a book or play a video game or something.
>>2573615Banning is fine but they should also purge his garbage posts, man. They keep most of them
>>2573616like i said earlier, they rely on the persecution complex. to them, we're evil crypto-zionists who ban them for being right. they seem themselves as early christians in the roman empire, getting persecuted by the pagans.
>>2573617I used to get on the mods' case for that shit until I realized just how much of a skeleton crew they are, and these are volunteers with day jobs. There's only so much we can expect from them.
>>2573619Pretty much.
And the sign that you've defeated a groyper in an argument is when they give up and start posting shit like this:
>>2573618 >>2573617eh, I see usapol as a reflection of the USA. it's a garbage fire for a reason. look at channel 5 interviews. that's basically this thread. it's just a place where dumb americans spam their opinions.
>>2573620same. and I would never volunteer to be one of them. i'll bake threads and shit. but that? hell naw.
>>2573623
You'll be banned either way for ban evasion retard
>>2573623
^ see, and now that he didn’t get the triggered reaction he wanted, he’s doing the whole “epic meme warfare” delusion-of-grandeur thing. It’s always about making themselves look big, and when people don’t buy it, they just desperately inflate themselves more
>>2573623
well good luck. maybe if you succeed in ousting the zionist bourgeoisie, but keeping the rest of the bourgoisie, it will become evident to normies that society still sucks ass even without zionism, which is obviously genocidal and reactionary and should be destroyed (none of us disagree with this even though you are desperate to pretend we do).
>>2573626
^ and now he’s playing the victim card to distract from his own behavior. They love to pretend that they’re owed being taken seriously instead of being something you have to earn!
>>2573626
you have yet to explain why only the zionist bourgeoisie should be opposed, and replaced with a tradcath bourgeoisie with catboy e-celeb characteristics
>>2573626
You are a nazoid. No one wants to talk to you. Just kys.
>>2573587>>2573582lies, kevin roberts never issued a full apologize. he simply did an
I made an oopsie, without describing in fully what groypers are: a bunch of nazis, with no balls to openly saying it.
>>2573634Really one of the most cucked countries of all time
>>2573636You said you wanted a deep discussion. I'm telling you to kill yourself for being a nazoid, so you stop saying anything forever.
>>2573608how come? lame because they are slowly but steadily getting accepted more often, or lame because….?
>mfw.>>2573618neck yourself. now.
>>2573613don't be a fucking moron.
>>2573636
^ See? All he can do is basically boast with delusions of grandeur.
>Before I persuade someone
Note that there's nothing in the thread that indicates he's persuaded anyone. Most of his feedback has been negative, he's taken it on blind faith that his vibes-based "arguments" are persuasive. Why? Again, it's all about ego! They can't handle thinking that there *isn't* a silent majority that thinks they're cool and correct
Groypers will be boiled. The North american unification with mexico and cuba WILL happen
>>2573642 (me)
Also - notice how the groyper conflates "infiltrating the institutions" with "trolling a niche imageboard."
These people are so online they think a niche imageboard is "an institution" because they live in an internet bubble where they think rival subcultures are important. Sad!
Real movement status?
>>2573647entering bat country
zohran status?
>>2573643Why not the unification of the Americas both North and South?
>>2573636
>You just want me banned before I persuade someone.
yeah, you are going to "persuade" literate people. people that have read, written, and discussed books, essays, articles, in various languages: English, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, German, French, and have knowledge in all the scientific fields, particularly strong in social sciences.
Get a grip, retard.
>half of the US gdp is now tied up purely in AI according to "WSJ"
Yeah…I'm sure thats totally fine hahahaha.
>>2573651That would be cool, and I'd love for them to be apart of it, but I get the feeling south america would want to be doing it's own thing as far as building a socialist project goes. That's gonna be the tough part about a socialist project involving america, how do we get small neighboring countries to give up sovereignty when historically america has always been an imperialist bully? We'll have the same issues Russia had during their revolution that Brazil won't have
>>2573647Utterly and thoroughly defeated and beaten to the ground(for now). Right now everyone is hoping socdems are not gonna follow their own imperialist and capital interests
>>2573643The capital of the people’s republics of Americas will be in Havan. Reactionaries will be deported to the gulf of America
>>2573650I've thought about that issue too. A lot of people in Latam and other parts of the world aren't gonna buy it if we have a socialist revolution and we suddenly go to them
>hi we're better nowBuilding positive relationships with the rest of the world is going to take a long, long, long time
>>2573657internationalism will have to wait until america actually gets its shit together, and by then it will have been long enough since the abolition of the CIA that the rest of the world can rest easy.
>>2573651the US already control Latin America. their ruling classes are
unified. culturally speaking, too.
>>2573657Revolutionary Russia faced the same issue. Not only did the international bourgeoisie invade with a 14-nation coalition because they wanted to push Russia back into WW1, as they had been fighting under the Tsar and then under Kerensky's provisional government, but even after WW1, there was an insistence that the USSR was just Great Russian Chauvinism with red paint. Any dictatorship of the proletariat which only exists in one country will ultimately have to face the dilemma of living in a world that is mostly still bourgeois and nationalist. Even if America is "destroyed" and you create an entirely new socialist country on top of America where America used to be, people will say "This is just America."
>>2573656Havana as the capital would be so badass man
Russian Oil Tanker Evades US Navy To Reach Venezuela | Newsweek
A sanctioned Russian oil tanker has reportedly reached Venezuela following several route changes and attempts to evade U.S. naval interception in the Caribbean Sea. The ship anchored at Puerto La Cruz, a port city on the South American country's northeastern coast, according to global shipping news outlets.
< It Matters
The tanker arrived despite a large U.S. naval presence in the Caribbean, part of ongoing counter-drug operations and increased pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro’s regime. Since 2019, the U.S. has targeted the regime with sanctions on its state-owned oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, and by monitoring foreign companies and shadow fleets transporting oil to the country.
<What To Know
The Seahorse, a tanker built in 2004 and sanctioned by the UK and the European Union, arrived in Venezuela on Sunday, the Maritime Executive reported. Earlier this month, the ship made a U‑turn off the coast of Venezuela after the USS Stockdale destroyer intersected its course.
It has reportedly been in the Caribbean since October, but turned away several times due to U.S. interception, though there were no reports of a confrontation. Its presence has been located in the vicinity of Cuba and areas near Puerto Rico. The Seahorse followed a second sanctioned tanker that also reached Venezuela over the weekend, the Russian-flagged tanker Vasily Lanovoy, according to the Maritime Executive.
Most International Airlines Servicing Venezuela Suspend Flights as US Intensifies Pressure
Caracas, November 24, 2025 (venezuelanalysis.com) – Multiple international airlines have suspended flights to and from Caracas amidst a heightened US military presence in the Caribbean, after the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issuance of a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) Friday.
Iberia (Spain), TAP (Portugal), LATAM (Chile), Avianca (Colombia) and Turkish Airlines (Turkey) were among the companies to cancel upcoming flights connecting the Venezuelan capital to international destinations.
At the time of writing, Venezuelan airlines Avior, Laser, Estelar and state-owned Conviasa continue to service foreign destinations. The Copa Airlines-operated flight from Caracas to Panama City, one of the region’s main connection hubs, remains active as well.
The airlines’ cancellations were in response to an FAA NOTAM that urged “caution” in Venezuela’s Maiquetía Flight Information Region (FIR) due to a “worsened security situation and heightened military activity.”
<Venezuela’s FIR covers the country’s territory and a section of the Caribbean Sea north of Caracas.
Since August, the Donald Trump administration has amassed military assets in the region on a self-declared anti-narcotics mission. The large-scale deployment presently includes the USS Gerald R. Ford, the world’s largest aircraft carrier, guided-missile destroyers, aircraft and around 15,000 troops.
US fighter jets and bombers have repeatedly flown inside the Maiquetía flight information region, often with transponders turned off. The FAA issued similar NOTAMs for Curazao and Puerto Rico FIRs, though no flight cancellations have been reported. All three warnings are in place until February 2026. The contiguous areas could provide US aircraft with a corridor from bases in Puerto Rico to Venezuelan territory.
US forces have destroyed 22 vessels that US officials claimed were carrying US-bound drugs, killing 83 civilians in the process. Nevertheless, US authorities have not disclosed evidence of the boats’ cargoes or crews. UN experts have labeled the bombings as extrajudicial executions.
The US’ Caribbean military deployment recently affected maritime trade as well, with Bloomberg reporting that oil tanker Seahorse saw its path blocked by a US warship on November 14 as it attempted to deliver a cargo of naphtha to a Venezuelan port.
The Cameroon-flagged Seahorse made a U-turn and waited close to Aruba before finally making its way to Puerto La Cruz in Eastern Venezuela and arriving on Sunday.
<Poll finds widespread opposition to US military intervention
Trump and administration officials have repeatedly threatened to strike alleged drug trafficking targets inside Venezuelan territory, though the US president recently also raised the possibility of engaging in talks with the Nicolás Maduro government.
On Saturday, Reuters reported that Washington was set to launch a “new phase of Venezuela-related operations,” according to anonymous officials. Two of the sources said covert operations would “likely” be the first part of the plan. However, the officials did not provide any information about the purported new phase nor whether Trump had approved it.
The military escalation reports coincided with the arrival of General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to Puerto Rico, where US bases have likewise witnessed a buildup and heightened activity in recent weeks. Caine is reported to be one of the architects of Operation Southern Spear.
While Trump is said to remain undecided on potential direct attacks against Venezuela, a new CBS News/YouGov poll found that 70 percent of US citizens “would oppose” military action against the South American country.
The survey additionally found dissatisfaction with the administration’s lack of explanations surrounding its military buildup and boat strikes. Nevertheless, a majority of respondents agreed with using military force against vessels suspected of carrying US-bound drugs.
The White House has justified its military buildup and threats against Venezuela on “narcoterrorism” charges against Maduro and other high-ranking officials. A reward for information leading to the Venezuelan president’s capture was raised to US $50 million in August.
On Monday, a State Department designation of the Cartel de los Soles as a foreign terrorist organization came into effect. US officials have repeatedly claimed that Maduro directly commands the so-called cartel.
However, Washington has never provided court-tested evidence of the organization’s existence or of any involvement of Venezuelan government and military officials in narcotics activities. The Maduro government issued a statement Monday condemning the foreign terrorist designation as a “ridiculous hoax” from Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
“It would be foolish for the Venezuelan government to waste its precious time responding to these slanders,” the communique read. Caracas went on to urge the US to “rectify its policy of attacks and threats.”
Reports from both the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) and the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) have indicated that Venezuela plays only a marginal role in narcotics trafficking, with most US-bound cocaine arriving via the Pacific and Central America.
>>2573657I'd say a socialist revolution happening in the first place presumes a degree of international solidarity between the working classes and the political organs meant to lead them towards such a social revolution, so at least a degree of solidarity between the working classes is a precondition rather than something to be worked in later. There were a lot of proletarian uprisings in Germany following WW1 and the October Revolution, but at the same time, the war split the Second Internationale over the issue of national chauvinism and later over a proposal by Vladimir Lenin to turn the imperialist war into a civil war. It succeeded in Russia, but elsewhere it was defeated, in part because of this split.
>>2573664Socialisms in one country? No. Socialism in one continent
>>2573676that's still localized unfortunately. i don't know how you overcome the various ingroup chauvinisms (nation, ethnicity, religion, language, etc.) to build international proletarian solidarity except through relentless education. But the various bourgeois reactionaries are afforded much larger and louder megaphones.
>>2573664the counterargument to this is that the western bourgeois have put so much of their eggs in one proverbial basket(america) that if it falls they very well may have nowhere to flee.
>Europecompletely dependent on America for treats and military protection
>Middle Eastentire oil economy propped up by America's insistence on preventing green energy to protect profits
>South Americaalready arguably full of socialists that are just held down by the CIA's meddling
>Asiaready for China to take over once America leaves
where will the bourgeois retreat to? australia?
Argument and debate won't create the conditions for socialism, fostering support for class struggle creates the conditions for socialism. It is only when those who can/could take the bourgeois hostage through strike action decide a change in the mode of production is preferable to meagre concessions that all the non-political and ideologically blinded types melt away
>>2573680>where will the bourgeois retreat to?where labor is the cheapest 🇮🇳🇮🇩🇳🇬
>>2573685The bourgeois have been doing that since the 80's, anon.
>>2573687They build iphones in nigeria?
>>2573679>>2573676Internationalism is about building momentum. You start locally then grow until your national and then international after that. This is in contrast to the preferred form of online radicals who just declare internationalism hegemonic and demand you turn against your community because of international commitments.
>>2573689Where do you think the materials for your iphone come from?
>>2573685the bourgeois will quickly find that those countries have been so deprived of wealth that even they won't want to live in india.
>>2573693India isn't all bad. There were raves every night on the beach in Goa it was lit
>>2573697those are climate change doomsday bunkers to avoid the crises of their own making. new zealand won't protect them from the international proletariat.
>>2573695i'm sure the war department or some NGO funds channels like these indirectly. there's no way this kind of nationalist shilling is purely compensated with ad revenue.
>>2573699i agree I was just answering the question
>>2573700You'd be surprised.
>>2573680>once America leaveswhere will the bourgeois retreat to? australia?
That’s how mad max happens, everything outside of Australia is FALSC.
The bourgeois have nowhere to retreat to once America gives up trying to compete. Because America will not give up trying to compete. They will simply use nastier tactics.
>>2573690>online radicals who just declare internationalism hegemonic and demand you turn against your community because of international commitments.That's not even internationalism in the first place, most of the time it's just radical liberalism
At this point these hyper-capitalists who have more money than the kings of 17th century Europe aren't even trying to hide the fact they know the end stage of current western capitalist dominance is fucking large-scale warfare. These people aren't stupid. They must have been told by some TINA austrian school crackpot economist that the stunt in growth can only be repaired by economic and potentially real warfare against nations with resources, any semblance of an industry and that don't play by Americas trading rules.
>>2573715> the stunt in growth can only be repaired by economic and potentially real warfare against nations with resourcesThey've known this since before WW2. Read
Fascism and Social Revolution by Rajani Palme Dutt, especially chapter 3. Imperialist war is war for natural resources, and war to install compradors willing to given them up cheaply. It is also wear to destroy excess means of production and commodities, to suppress real wages by artificial scarcity.
>>2573718no anon is saying that at all
>>2573718>, once they rape Venezuela they’ll go after Cuba, then Nicaragua, then Mexico, then Brazil, then any country you can think of until the United States collapses.They already go after any country which inconveniences the USA and its allies. This is why Mossadegh in Iran and Arbenz in Guatemala were overthrown in the 50s, not because they were socialist, but merely because they supported nationalization and land reform. The US went after Saddam because he nationalized resources, and Gaddafi for trying to make a gold back pan-African currency.
>>2573721he's answering the question in the OP
remember to always purity test. always be purity testing. unironically.
What resource does Cuba have that America needs?
>>2573726sugar for treats
>inb4 China gives Cuba weaponry that isn't 60+ years old and we get a new Cuban Missile Crisis
>>2573728china has been giving cuba solar panels lately, for free. lots of them, especially after the recent hurricanes.
>>2573730I know that's the point. China can fly into Havana now with a cargo plane full of stuff and completely get away with it. It was unthinkable 30 years ago but now China can just give Cuba whatever it wants and not really have to worry about the consequences. And I'm sure as BRICS gets stronger the fear of American blacklisting from helping Cuba will disappear completely.
>>2573726Let's reframe the question. What do the workers of America have that the Cuban workers need? Security? Resources? Like almost everything?
>>2573726Nothing, that's why it hasn't been bombed to mush despite being a nominally hostile nation next door
>>2573726a strategic position in the carribbean
>>2573654Nah, people are nice and cool once you stop enslaving their countries. You can just renounce imperialist claims and people will like you, that's what Bolsheviks did with the Karakhan Manifesto. The only people who want such things as blood feuds and lasting hatred to exist are the ruling classes.
>>2573729>>2573738Aside from this snaKKKes want to sieze cuba deveoped socialist economy as treats
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