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>>2539692Thread in which we discuss the latest aggression-based-on-lies by the USA against a country which did not attack it.
539 posts and 128 image replies omitted.>>2591301If the US say in the announcement that the oil was on its way to China, prepare for the shit to hit the fan.
>>2591304POLITICO are reporting Cuba:
<But a person familiar with the matter, granted anonymity to discuss the sensitive seizure, said the ship was en route to Cuba, where the state firm Cubametales was planning to sell it to Asian energy brokers. >>2591315God what if they want to regime change Cuba too?
>>2591316Thry do. The thinking is if they can take down Venezuela then Cuba (and Nicaragua) falls.
It is true that Cuba and Venezuela work closely together.
>>2591315happening cancelled then
So US is via their actions admitting they want total regime change purely to get at the oil.
I want total American death so bad sisters, but what can I even do to help when I don't live there?
>>2591350I live there and i'd prefer not to get killed for stupid shit my country does. Speaking of if the US and wider world order is collapsing, where should i move to?
>>2591369No one wants treatlerites, stay there and overthrow your overlords.
>>2591350>So US is via their actions admitting they want total regime change purely to get at the oil<via their actions Thry outright say it with their words if you bother to listen.
>>2591073judge is claiming the tanker was seized because it was used to smuggle iranian oil in the past
>>2591315doesn't cuba have electricity shortages because of a fuel shortage?
I am a bit out of the loop here. Is there any truth to the claim that Maduro's government is involved in drug trafficking?
>>2591389Oh come on. We all know she wasn't in the country.
>>2591396Yes. Venezuela sends lots of humanitarian aid boats to cuba so I am wondering also if this was one of them.
>>2591397No. It's a CIA fabrication, possibly based on pre-Chavez Venezuela's military involvement.
>>2591401Why do you think that?
>>2591403https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel_of_the_Suns
>The term Cartel of the Suns was first used in 1993 as a journalistic label following a political scandal involving Venezuelan military officials who were implicated in a CIA plot to smuggle cocaine into the United States in order to infiltrate Colombian cartels.How it started.
>It was alleged that officers of Hugo Chávez's Revolutionary Bolivarian Movement-200 who planned the 1992 Venezuelan coup d'état attempts had created a group that participated in drug trafficking known as the Cartel Bolivariano or Bolivarian Cartel.Obvious smearing of Chavez.
>>2591397Short answer:
It's as real as the Iraqi WMDs.
Long answer:
US cocaine is overwhelmingly produced in Colombia and then travels via either sea / Mexico into the US.
US fentanyl is produced in China and then shipped to Mexico, from which it travels into the US.
There is a very small quantity of cocaine produced in Venezuela. It is entirely insignificant compared to the quantity from Colombia.
Some Venezuelan fishermen transport cocaine - mostly produced in Colombia - north to Central America and Mexico in order to make ends meet.
There is no publicly available evidence that any of the boats targeted by the US were involved in drug smuggling.
The Venezuelan coast guard and navy are surprisingly pretty good at catching legitimate smugglers compared to other states in the region and post videos of their results to this extent.
There is no reason not to believe those killed in US strikes have predominantly been innocent fishermen. It's probable some smugglers were killed too, just like how if you throw darts at a wall while blindfolded, eventually by the sheer number of attacks you're likely to hit something.
>>2591405check the sources lol, you're reading fanfiction from someone who expected people to come to the opposite conclusion as you. even the "allegations" are nowhere to be found
>>2591411No, the 1993 thing was real. It's the 1990's CIA program that ended up with, uh…
>Anti-Drug Unit of C.I.A. Sent Ton of Cocaine to U.S. in 1990shenanigans that they want you to forget about.
It's literally like the Iraq WMD crap - they sold chemical weapons to Saddam themselves, so the lie was rooted in
something.
>>2591397>Is there any truth to the claim that Maduro's government is involved in drug trafficking?Let's put it a different way. There is illegal drug trade pretty much everywhere and yuppies and liberals will make a market from it. Let's answer the question as the USA poses it, without doing half the work for their propaganda rephrasing the assumptions and implications:
Venezuela is a suicidal enemy of the US state because SHOSHULISM. Maduro is the unelected, unpopular leader of a police state with no popular mandate, now or ever, just the same as Chavez. This Venezuelan state is economically in ruins thanks to SHOSHULISM because SHOSHULISTS hate prosperity and worship death and intentionally impose privations on everyone at the point of a gun because their are pure evil and insane, not US sanctions.Also, Maduro is the head of a criminal organization comprising Tren de Aragua and Cartel de Los Soles among others. The first one isn't a street gang, it's a macro criminal enterprise comprising hundreds of thousands if not millions of lumpenproles specifically dedicated to migrating to the USA and becoming a burden and vandalizing the place, at the orders of Maduro. Or spying. Or becoming plants in the political system. Or just being lumpen and poor at the USA… at Maduro's orders.This is not a migration flow caused by the brutal economic war imposed upon Venezuela by the USA and it's allies. It is a state mandated effort to "invade" and undermine the USA of A. Or you can forget all of that and they can also be innocent victims fleeing a police state and for no particular material reasons, if the gusano vote is in need.And Cartel of the Suns isn't a (documented) CIA deal with the pre-Chavez government in the pattern of "War on Drugs" DEA/cartel collaboration:'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel_of_the_Suns>The term Cartel of the Suns was first used in 1993 as a journalistic label following a political scandal involving Venezuelan military officials who were implicated in a CIA plot to smuggle cocaine into the United States in order to infiltrate Colombian cartels.[9] The term was inspired by the "soles" (sun emblems) on Venezuelan generals' uniforms.[1]No, it is a current organization for which the state of Venezuela as a whole is merely a cover. They are also responsible for significant flows of Fentanyl into the USA, and not coke(which is what the data says, but you don't want to make a moral panic about a yuppie drug like coke, much less Colombian coke).Furthermore, this drug trade is not only lacking in foreign partners and comes from the state alone. But its also not done mainly for profit, but as some sort of deranged commie-envy motivated weapon to hurt USAnos in the name of SOSHULISMThis has nothing to do with the mineral riches of Venezuela, despite Machado selling regime change to literally everyone, on exactly the terms of mass privatization and turning Venezuela into an extractive colony. Further furthermore, this also has nothing to do with the cold war and is purely motivated by internationally recognized (heh) US world police status, which they use to spread democracy, virtue, prosperity and human rights to all corners of the earth. As one can see with the treatment of MENA (or literally anything else in US foreign policy, or gusano policy).Now, does the above make any sense? No it doesn't. >>2591404Guys, you don't understand. There was a metal gear onboard.
And oil.
>>2591394The go to for these things is to namedrop a bunch of people and financial crimes to imply some sort of corruption. Rather than the origin of those financial crimes being "Bypassing US sanctions.". unless it goes to Iran or somewhere else the USAnos automatically recognize as a source of evil that preventing trade with is automatically a good thing to do.
>>2591270organized crime enterprise masquerading as a government
>>2591301the US has done worse, on bigger scales, to apathy or sloth from the rest of the world.
updates?
>>2592027They haven't even released a full statement on the oil tanker.
>>2591270Can the U.S even process this oil? I though Venezuela crude needed to be refined a certain way and we don’t have that infrastructure in place.
>>2592139America still has a limited domestic oil industry even though neoliberal import-biased economic strategies has shrunk it down massively.
its starting
oh shut up and get to the point
They seized it because it's giving oil to Iran.
>>2592164Iranbros, your response?
>>2592170They'll do nothing obviously. But this """reason""" seems very shady.
Declare Infinity War and be done with it. Cease this charade
>>2592179Americas too fucking scared. This is fake sabre-rattling. Venezuela is not calling their bluff.
>>2592182But backing down will be an even bigger optics loss. Rightoids dont like people who admit defeat. They're going to do something if only to save face
This is literally piracy on the high seas, if the navy drank grog on deck it’d be exactly like the 1700s all over again
>>2592186If they REALLY want to show off their decaying strength, they might strike Venezuelan army bases and seize a few more oil tankers. Then claim "victory". Or maybe they'll invade Ecuador which Trump threatened to do yesterday.
>>2592187Pirates were based anti-imperialists. This is privateering. Ultra gay.
>>2592190>Pirates were based anti imperialistsA good number of them literally worked inderectly for the english governement to loot spanish and portuguese ships
>>2592249yeah, privateers.
>>2592182>Americas too fucking scared. This is fake sabre-rattling. Venezuela is not calling their bluff.It doesn't have to be a bluff even if the US never enters the war proper.
They are just doing a soft naval blockade and scaring the money from Venezuela by seeding uncertainty. Eventually, Venezuela will face unrest and much before anything grassroots(glowopped or not) takes root, the army will intervene. Because that's all the armed forces need in a liberal regime, the signal that *they* will do better under the new management than the old. The regime change environment under siege will give them exactly that veneer of consent. And then they'll get bribed to do a coup "for the people".
The USA is just gonna keep Venezuela under siege until it is sufficiently undermined internally and externally. Venezuela is getting the Syria/Irak treatment. They can afford it, it's a giant mineral wealth and the promise of so much more on the region once the upcoming blue wave gets sponsored by cheap fuel. And also, once the gulf states sign the Abraham accords or w/e, having an unhindered Venezuela with the full support of the USA to refine and export puts OPEC even harder under the USA's heel.
The reward for undoing Chavismo and grabbing Venezuela is probably so vast that the USA would happily burn any amount of money to get it, as long as it is a straightforward transaction like that, with no other risks.
>>2592282And what if that doesn't happen?
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