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>>2539692Thread in which we discuss the latest aggression-based-on-lies by the USA against a country which did not attack it.
99 posts and 17 image replies omitted.>>2577613>>2577615>>2577618youre being taken for a ride by an obvious troll
>>2577828> economic growth that has been happening since 2021 at great pace.proof?
>>2577581https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm
<The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination
<1. Imperialism, Socialism, and the Liberation of Oppressed Nations
<Imperialism is the highest stage of development of capitalism. Capital in the advanced countries has outgrown the boundaries of national states. It has established monopoly in place of competition, thus creating all the objective prerequisites for the achievement of socialism. Hence, in Western Europe and in the United States of America, the revolutionary struggle of the proletariat for the overthrow of the capitalist governments, for the expropriation of the bourgeoisie, is on the order of the day. Imperialism is forcing the masses into this struggle by sharpening class antagonisms to an immense degree, by worsening the conditions of the masses both economicallyâtrusts and high cost of living, and politicallyâgrowth of militarism, frequent wars, increase of reaction, strengthening and extension of national oppression and colonial plunder. Victorious socialism must achieve complete democracy and, consequently, not only bring about the complete equality of nations, but also give effect to the right of oppressed nations to self-determination, i.e., the right to free political secession. Socialist Parties which fail to prove by all their activities now, as well as during the revolution and after its victory, that they will free the enslaved nations and establish relations with them on the basis of a free union and a free union is a lying phrase without right to secessionâsuch parties would be committing treachery to socialism. >>2577958why are arabs so prominent in these central american countries?
>>2577973It's an interesting but I like the theory of "middleman minorities." The Jewish historian Yuri Slezkine wrote a book about this in reference to Jews, but he talks about other groups playing a similar social role in other societies. Chinese in S.E. Asia. Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Lebanese and other Arabs in Latin America and Africa. Many of them started as merchants and rose into prominence in business and politics.
The former vice president of Venezuela is Tareck El Aissami (he has been purged btw) whose great uncle (in the suit next to Saddam) was a high-ranking Ba'ath party official.
>>2577958This random article i don't really have context for said the liberal faction is basically completely dominant within the party.
https://contracorriente.red/2025/04/01/m28-la-representacion-del-tradicionalismo-politico-que-manda-en-libre/ the horrible narcoterrorist socialist failed state where people eat grass is actually a growing economy
quick, strike it with jet fighters before they become a genuine economic power
>>2577581>>2577969(Part 2/? because leftypol says "body too long")
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/oct/x01.htm<The fact that imperialism is parasitic or decaying capitalism is manifested first of all in the tendency to decay, which is characteristic of every monopoly under the system of private ownership of the means of production. The difference between the democratic-republican and the reactionary-monarchist imperialist bourgeoisie is obliterated precisely because they are both rotting alive (which by no means precludes an extraordinarily rapid development of capitalism in individual branches of industry, in individual countries, and in individual periods). Secondly, the decay of capitalism is manifested in the creation of a huge stratum of rentiers, capitalists who live by âclipping couponsâ. In each of the four leading imperialist countriesâEngland, U.S.A., France and Germanyâcapital in securities amounts to 100,000 or 150,000 million francs, from which each country derives an annual income of no less than five to eight thousand million. Thirdly, export of capital is parasitism raised to a high pitch. Fourthly, âfinance capital strives for domination, not freedomâ. Political reaction all along the line is a characteristic feature of imperialism. Corruption, bribery on a huge scale and all kinds of fraud. Fifthly, the exploitation of oppressed nationsâwhich is inseparably connected with annexationsâand especially the exploitation of colonies by a handful of âGreatâ Powers, increasingly transforms the âcivilisedâ world into a parasite on the body of hundreds of millions in the uncivilised nations. The Roman proletarian lived at the expense of society. Modern society lives at the expense of the modern proletarian. Marx specially stressed this profound observation of Sismondi.[7] Imperialism somewhat changes the situation. A privileged upper stratum of the proletariat in the imperialist countries lives partly at the expense of hundreds of millions in the uncivilised nations.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/aug/20.htm<The socialists, who seek to liberate labour from the yoke of capital and who defend the world-wide solidarity of the workers, are struggling against any kind of oppression and inequality of nations. When the bourgeoisie was a progressive class, and the overthrow of feudalism, absolutism and oppression by other nations stood on the historical order of the day, the socialists, as invariably the most consistent and most resolute of democrats, recognised âdefence of the fatherlandâ in the meaning implied by those aims, and in that meaning alone. Today too, should a war of the oppressed nations against the oppressor Great Powers break out in the east of Europe or in the colonies, the socialistsâ sympathy would be wholly with the oppressed.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/sep/00.htm<Is the position of the proletariat with regard to national oppression the same in oppressing and oppressed nations? No, it is not the same, not the same economically, politically, ideologically, spiritually, etc. […] The author has not proved and will not prove the difference between colonies and oppressed nations in Europe (as applied to the question under discussion).https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/ch08.htm<At first Marx thought that Ireland would not be liberated by the national movement of the oppressed nation, but by the working-class movement of the oppressor nation. Marx did not make an Absolute of the national movement, knowing, as he did, that only the victory of the working class can bring about the complete liberation of all nationalities. It is impossible to estimate beforehand all the possible relations between the bourgeois liberation movements of the oppressed nations and the proletarian emancipation movement of the oppressor nation (the very problem which today makes the national question in Russia so difficult).https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch09.htm<Here is an example. The German imperialists attempt, in the magazine Archives of World Economy, to follow the national emancipation movements in the colonies, particularly, of course, in colonies other than those belonging to Germany. They note the unrest and the protest movements in India, the movement in Natal (South Africa), in the Dutch East Indies, etc. One of them, commenting on an English report of a conference held on June 28-30, 1910, of representatives of various subject nations and races, of peoples of Asia, Africa and Europe who are under foreign rule, writes as follows in appraising the speeches delivered at this conference: âWe are told that we must fight imperialism; that the ruling states should recognise the right of subject peoples to independence; that an international tribunal should supervise the fulfilment of treaties concluded between the great powers and weak peoples. Further than the expression of these pious wishes they do not go. We see no trace of understanding of the fact that imperialism is inseparably bound up with capitalism in its present form and that, therefore [!!], an open struggle against imperialism would be hopeless, unless, perhaps, the fight were to be confined to protests against certain of its especially abhorrent excesses.â [1] Since the reform of the basis of imperialism is a deception, a âpious wishâ, since the bourgeois representatives of the oppressed nations go no âfurtherâ forward, the bourgeois representative of an oppressing nation goes âfurtherâ backward, to servility towards imperialism under cover of the claim to be âscientific.â That is also âlogicâ! >>2577581>>2577969>>2577998(Part 3 because leftypol says "body too long")
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jul/x02.htm<The slogan of self-determination of nations should also be advanced in connection with the imperialist era of capitalism. We do not stand for the status quo, or for the philistine Utopia of standing aside in great wars. We stand for a revolutionary struggle against imperialism, i.e., capitalism. Imperialism consists in a striving of nations that oppress a number of other nations to extend and increase that oppression and to repartition the colonies. That is why the question of self-determination of nations today hinges on the conduct of socialists of the oppressor nations. A socialist of any of the oppressor nations (Britain. France, Germany, Japan, Russia, the United States of America, etc.) who does not recognise and does not struggle for the right of oppressed nations to self-determination (i.e., the right to secession) is in reality a chauvinist, not a socialist.
<Only this point of view can lead to a sincere and consistent struggle against imperialism, to a proletarian, not a philistine approach (today) to the national question. Only this point of view can load to a consistent application of the principle of combating any form of the oppression of nations; it removes mistrust among the proletarians of the oppressor and oppressed nations, makes for a united international struggle for the socialist revolution (i.e., for the only accomplishable regime of complete national equality), as distinct from the philistine Utopia of freedom for all small states in general, under capitalism.
<This is the point of view adopted by our Party, i.e., by those Social-Democrats of Russia who have rallied around the Central Committee. This was the point of view adopted by Marx when he taught the proletariat that âno nation can he free if it oppresses other nationsâ. It was from this point of view that Marx demanded the separation of Ireland from Britain, this in the interests of the freedom movement, not only of the Irish, but especially of the British workers.
<If the socialists of Britain do not recognise and uphold Irelandâs right to secession, if the French do not do the same for Italian Nice, the Germans for Alsace-Lorraine, Danish Schleswig, and Poland, the Russians for Poland, Finland, the Ukraine, etc., and the Poles for the Ukraine-if all the socialists of the âGreatâ Powers, i.e., the great robber powers, do not uphold that right in respect of the colonies, it is solely because they are in fact imperialists, not socialists. It is ridiculous to cherish illusions that people who do not fight for âthe right to self-determinationâ of the oppressed nations, while they themselves belong to the oppressor nations, are capable of practising socialist policies.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/7thconf2/10.htm<Comrade Lenin recalled that the Polish Social-Democrats were against the right to national self-determination in 1903, when the question was not raised in the prospect of a socialist revolution. The specific character of their stand on the national question is due to their peculiar position in Poland; the tsarist oppression fed the nationalistic passions of the bourgeois and petty-bourgeois sections of Poland. The Polish Social-Democrats had to go through a desperate struggle against the âsocialistsâ (P.P.S) who were even prepared to have a European war for the sake of Polandâs liberation, and only they, the Polish Social-Democrats, spreading the feelings of international solidarity among the Polish workers, led them closer to the workers of Russia. However, their attempt to impose a rejection of the right to self-determination on the socialists of the oppressor nations is extremely erroneous and in the event of success could result in nothing more than the adoption of a chauvinistic stand by the Russian Social-Democrats. By rejecting the oppressed nationsâ right to self-determination, the socialists of the oppressor nations become chauvinists, giving support to their own bourgeoisie. Russian socialists must work to secure freedom to secede for the oppressed nations, while the socialists of the oppressed nations must maintain freedom to integrate, both taking formally different (essentially the same) ways towards the same goal: the international organisation of the proletariat. Those who say that the national question has been solved within the bourgeois system tend to forget that it has been solved (but not in every case) only in the west of Europe, where the purity of the population is sometimes as high as 90 per cent, but not in the east, where the purity of the population is limited to only 43 per cent. Finlandâs example shows that the national question is in practice on the order of the day and that the alternative is support for the imperialist bourgeoisie or the duty of international solidarity, which does not allow of any violation of the will of the oppressed nations. The Mensheviks, who invited the Finnish Social-Democrats to âwaitâ until the Constituent Assembly and settle the question of autonomy together with it, actually spoke out in the spirit of the Russian imperialists.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jul/x01.htm<8. Parties in countries whose bourgeoisie possess colonies and oppress other nations must pursue a most well-defined and clear-cut policy in respect of colonies and oppressed nations. Any party wishing to join the Third International must ruthlessly expose the colonial machinations of the imperialists of its âownâ country, must supportâin deed, not merely in wordâevery colonial liberation movement, demand the expulsion of its compatriot imperialists from the colonies, inculcate in the hearts of the workers of its own country an attitude of true brotherhood with the working population of the colonies and the oppressed nations, and conduct systematic agitation among the armed forces against all oppression of the colonial peoples.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/miliprog/i.htm<We must not allow ourselves to be led astray by words. The term âdefense of the fatherlandâ, for instance, is hateful to many because both avowed opportunists and Kautskyites use it to cover up and gloss over the bourgeois lie about the present predatory war. This is a fact. But it does not follow that we must no longer see through to the meaning of political slogans. To accept âdefense of the fatherlandâ in the present war is no more nor less than to accept it as a âjustâ war, a war in the interests of the proletariatâno more nor less, we repeat, because invasions may occur in any war. It would be sheer folly to repudiate âdefense of the fatherlandâ on the part of oppressed nations in their wars against the imperialist Great Powers, or on the part of a victorious proletariat in its war against some Galliffet of a bourgeois state.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/oct/01.htm<It is interesting, moreover, that the "non-Russian groups" revealed a considerable predominance of opponents of a coalition, namely, 40 votes against 15. The policy of annexation and open violence pursued by the Bonapartist Kerensky and Co. towards the non-sovereign nations of Russia has borne fruit. Wide sections of the people of the oppressed nations (i.e., including the mass of the petty bourgeoisie) trust the proletariat of Russia more than they do the bourgeoisie, for here history has brought to the fore the struggle for liberation of the oppressed nations against the oppressing nations. The bourgeoisie has despicably betrayed the cause of freedom of the oppressed nations; the proletariat is faithful to the cause of freedom.
<At the present time the national and agrarian questions are fundamental questions for the petty-bourgeois sections of the population of Russia. This is indisputable. And on both these questions the proletariat is "not isolated"âfarther from it than ever. It has the majority of the people behind it. It alone is capable of pursuing such a determined, genuinely."revolutionary-democratic" policy on both questions which would immediately ensure the proletarian state power not only the support of the majority of the population, but also a real outburst of revolutionary enthusiasm among the people. This is because, for the first time, the people would not see the ruthless oppression of peasants by landowners and of Ukrainians by Great Russians on the part of the government, as was the case under tsarism, nor the effort to continue the same policy camouflaged in pompous phrases under the republic, nor nagging, insult, chicanery, procrastination, underhand dealing and evasions (all that with which Kerensky rewards the peasants and the oppressed nations), but would receive warm sympathy proved by deeds, immediate and revolutionary measures against the landowners, immediate restitution of full freedom for Finland, the Ukraine, Byelorussia, for the Moslems, and so on.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jun/x04.htm<What is international is not at all anti-national; we stand for the right of nations to self-assertion; we are against the browbeating of weak nations, David asserts, failing to understand (or rather pretending not to understand) that justifying participation in the imperialist war and advancing the âagainst defeatâ slogan in this war means acting, not only as an anti-socialist, but also as an anti-national politician. For the present-day imperialist war is a war between Great Powers (i.e., powers that oppress a number of other nations), conducted for the purpose of oppressing new nations. One cannot he ânationalâ in an imperialist war otherwise than by being a socialist politician, i.e., by recognising the right of oppressed nations to liberation, to secession from the Great Powers that oppress them. In the era of imperialism, there can be no other salvation for most of the worldâs nations than through revolutionary action undertaken by the proletariat of the Great Powers, spreading beyond the boundaries of nationality, smashing those boundaries, and overthrowing the international bourgeoisie. Until the bourgeoisie is overthrown, there will remain nations known as âGreat Powersâ, i.e., the oppression will remain of nine-tenths of the nations of the whole world. The overthrow of the bourgeoisie will enormously accelerate the downfall of national partitions of every kind, this without decreasing but, on the contrary, increasing a millionfold the âdifferentiationâ of humanity, in the meaning of the wealth and the variety in spiritual life, ideological trends, tendencies, and shades.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/oct/00.htm<If the Bundists wanted to think, and could do so, they would realise that on the question of annexations they are wandering in the dark. There is only one way out of their wanderings and confusion: accept the programme we expounded as early as 1913.[2] Namely, that a conscientious and forthright anti-annexation policy requires that socialists and democrats of the oppressed nations, in all their propaganda and agitation, denounce as scoundrels those socialists of the oppressor nations (whether Great Russians or Germans, Poles in relation to the Ukrainians, etc.) who do not consistently and unreservedly stand for free secession of nations oppressed by their own nation (or forcibly held by it).https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/dec/15.htm<This is the essence of Rosa Luxemburgâs amusing error for which she was ridiculed a long time ago by German and Russian (August 1903) Social-Democrats; in their fear of playing into the hands of the bourgeois nationalism of oppressed nations, people play into the hands not merely of the bourgeois but of the reactionary nationalism of the oppressor nation.THIS ONE IS CRUCIAL đ
<In Russia only the liquidators consider the bourgeois-democratic revolution to be over, and the concomitant of such a revolution all over the world always has been and still is national movements. In Russia in particular there are oppressed nations in many of the border regions, which in neighbouring states enjoy greater liberty. Tsarism is more reactionary than the neighbouring states, constitutes the greatest barrier to free economic development, and does its utmost to foster Great-Russian nationalism. For a Marxist, of course, all other conditions being equal, big states are always preferable to small ones. But it would be ridiculous and reactionary even to suppose that conditions under the tsarist monarchy might be equal to those in any European country or any but a minority of Asian countries.So next time you call someone a lib for using the phrase "oppressed nations" maybe just admit you think Lenin was a lib so everyone can know exactly where your'e coming from
>>2577973>why are arabs so prominent in these central american countries?Why are Italians and Jews so prominent in New York?
>>2577707Zero.
Trump had beef with Venezuela during his first term, too.
>>2578002are you serious?
>>2577688>Do Venezuelans even have enough will to fight?<burger imperialismyes, absolutely
<for Maduroehhh
>>2578006the silvercorp mercenaries tried to coup venezuela during trump term 1. did you forget them pissing their pants and trump distancing himself from the event?
>>2578006>>2578002since 2002, really.
after all, Chavez was couped by the CIA.
So was Trumps no-fly order enforced? For America, I mean.
>>2578030a lot of the international airlines already stopped flights a few days earlier.
>>2578037Polish politicians have not been affected by Venezuela ever and they're posting this shit. Lapdogs.
Marco Rubio furiously masturbating to the idea of gentrifying another country.
Brutal
i hope china learns from this that going forward the USA will through military means forcibly revert any peaceful economic influence they might gain throughout the world. whether they like or not, whether they are economically and militarily ready or not, they are the second most powerful country in the world which in the eyes of the USA inherently makes them their enemy.
>>2578053But even if America throws its slowly degrading military might to try and keep on top they cannot realistically compete against China without radical change which the nature of capitalism will never accept. Even if America established full on fascism and slave labour it would never keep up.
The smell of a big juice nothing burger is growing stronger
Either nothing happens, and the whole world realises America can't swing its economic or military might around anymore. Or something happens and tensions between the westoid nations and the BRICS bloc deepens
>>2578012where is he now?
>the entire Venezuelan military high command is totally drug traffickers
>anyway, I'm pardoning a central american politician convicted of drug trafficking
this is something from the simpsons
>>2578067Graham celebrates Trump admin moves to end âmadness in Venezuelaâ>Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Saturday praised President Trumpâs mounting pressure on and military accumulation near Venezuela, as the president mulls over taking action against the South American country âvery soon.ââI very much appreciate and respect the determination by President Trump to deal with the drug caliphate countries that inhabit our backyard â chief among them Venezuela,â Graham posted on the social media platform X. âFor over a decade, [Venezuelan President NicolĂĄs] Maduro has controlled a narcoterrorist state that is poisoning America and he has created alliances with international terrorist organizations like Hezbollah.â
>Graham echoed the administration by calling Maduro âan illegitimate leaderâ who âmaintains control of Venezuela by a reign of terror.â The Venezuelan leader has denied such accusations.>âPresident Trumpâs strong commitment to end this madness in Venezuela will save countless American lives and will give the beautiful people of Venezuela a new lease on life,â Graham continued. âI hear Turkey and Iran are lovely this time of yearâŠâ >>2578072Didn't this guy critique Trump for a while after he was released from his government role? Now all of a sudden he's on side. Once again these people have no real views. They just have objectives they have to follow to keep the ship steady as it were.
>>2578076no this guy does sincerely held values and positions, he's on the side of whoever is pro maximum murder at any time.
Fuck you U.S.A
You are big asshole
You are the oil looter
You are great satan
>>2578030no.
>>2578032the usual suspects. the 'no one will fly over Venezuela' is just a rehash of 2019 'no American airline will fly under 8km above Venezuelan space' that was followed by the majority of commercial flights.
this time only 4:
Iberia airlines.
Turkish airlines.
Portuguese airlines.
and one other from Chile, I don't remember.
the rest it's working.
>>2578097But are any American airlines allowed to land
>>2578073>>2578037meh, basically the internal right. they are very quick at shaking hands with whatever imperialist project there is.
>>2578099not since 2019. biden never lifted the ban.
>>2578100international* right
>>2578100Then what is Trump on about? Does he think nobody already knows they're banned?
>>2578102I presented a bit of a conjunction here:
>>2577828. but I am not 100% sure. with these people you can't never be sure.
>>2578102theatre man likes to do theatre on the world stage. unsurprising.
>>2578102also, apparently the US cancelled the re-patriation flights of Venezuelan nationals that are inside the US. Weird move, considering that they want to cut down the immigrant population. maybe they want now to send them to a third country first.
Bay of Pigs 2.0 or 2.5 if you count that ludicrously embarrassing merc one.
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