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/US-Venezuela war/ #3
>Third Heaven Edition

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#1 https://archive.ph/4Dq3L
#2 https://archive.ph/sntTt

Previous thread: >>2539692

Thread in which we discuss the latest aggression-based-on-lies by the USA against a country which did not attack it.
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>>2591411
No, the 1993 thing was real. It's the 1990's CIA program that ended up with, uh…
>Anti-Drug Unit of C.I.A. Sent Ton of Cocaine to U.S. in 1990
shenanigans that they want you to forget about.

It's literally like the Iraq WMD crap - they sold chemical weapons to Saddam themselves, so the lie was rooted in something.

>>2591397
>Is there any truth to the claim that Maduro's government is involved in drug trafficking?
Let's put it a different way. There is illegal drug trade pretty much everywhere and yuppies and liberals will make a market from it. Let's answer the question as the USA poses it, without doing half the work for their propaganda rephrasing the assumptions and implications:

Venezuela is a suicidal enemy of the US state because SHOSHULISM. Maduro is the unelected, unpopular leader of a police state with no popular mandate, now or ever, just the same as Chavez. This Venezuelan state is economically in ruins thanks to SHOSHULISM because SHOSHULISTS hate prosperity and worship death and intentionally impose privations on everyone at the point of a gun because their are pure evil and insane, not US sanctions.

Also, Maduro is the head of a criminal organization comprising Tren de Aragua and Cartel de Los Soles among others. The first one isn't a street gang, it's a macro criminal enterprise comprising hundreds of thousands if not millions of lumpenproles specifically dedicated to migrating to the USA and becoming a burden and vandalizing the place, at the orders of Maduro. Or spying. Or becoming plants in the political system. Or just being lumpen and poor at the USA… at Maduro's orders.
This is not a migration flow caused by the brutal economic war imposed upon Venezuela by the USA and it's allies. It is a state mandated effort to "invade" and undermine the USA of A. Or you can forget all of that and they can also be innocent victims fleeing a police state and for no particular material reasons, if the gusano vote is in need.

And Cartel of the Suns isn't a (documented) CIA deal with the pre-Chavez government in the pattern of "War on Drugs" DEA/cartel collaboration:'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel_of_the_Suns
>The term Cartel of the Suns was first used in 1993 as a journalistic label following a political scandal involving Venezuelan military officials who were implicated in a CIA plot to smuggle cocaine into the United States in order to infiltrate Colombian cartels.[9] The term was inspired by the "soles" (sun emblems) on Venezuelan generals' uniforms.[1]

No, it is a current organization for which the state of Venezuela as a whole is merely a cover. They are also responsible for significant flows of Fentanyl into the USA, and not coke(which is what the data says, but you don't want to make a moral panic about a yuppie drug like coke, much less Colombian coke).
Furthermore, this drug trade is not only lacking in foreign partners and comes from the state alone. But its also not done mainly for profit, but as some sort of deranged commie-envy motivated weapon to hurt USAnos in the name of SOSHULISM

This has nothing to do with the mineral riches of Venezuela, despite Machado selling regime change to literally everyone, on exactly the terms of mass privatization and turning Venezuela into an extractive colony. Further furthermore, this also has nothing to do with the cold war and is purely motivated by internationally recognized (heh) US world police status, which they use to spread democracy, virtue, prosperity and human rights to all corners of the earth. As one can see with the treatment of MENA (or literally anything else in US foreign policy, or gusano policy).

Now, does the above make any sense? No it doesn't.

>>2591404
Guys, you don't understand. There was a metal gear onboard.
And oil.

>>2591394
The go to for these things is to namedrop a bunch of people and financial crimes to imply some sort of corruption. Rather than the origin of those financial crimes being "Bypassing US sanctions.". unless it goes to Iran or somewhere else the USAnos automatically recognize as a source of evil that preventing trade with is automatically a good thing to do.

>>2591270
organized crime enterprise masquerading as a government

>>2591301
the US has done worse, on bigger scales, to apathy or sloth from the rest of the world.

>>2591519


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>>2590241
>more dance kino NOW!

updates?

>>2592027
They haven't even released a full statement on the oil tanker.

Get in here they're about to do a press briefing on the tanker

>>2591270
Can the U.S even process this oil? I though Venezuela crude needed to be refined a certain way and we don’t have that infrastructure in place.

>>2592139
America still has a limited domestic oil industry even though neoliberal import-biased economic strategies has shrunk it down massively.

its starting

oh shut up and get to the point

They seized it because it's giving oil to Iran.

>>2592164
Iranbros, your response?

>>2592170
They'll do nothing obviously. But this """reason""" seems very shady.

Declare Infinity War and be done with it. Cease this charade

>>2592179
Americas too fucking scared. This is fake sabre-rattling. Venezuela is not calling their bluff.

>>2592182
But backing down will be an even bigger optics loss. Rightoids dont like people who admit defeat. They're going to do something if only to save face

>>2592186
If they REALLY want to show off their decaying strength, they might strike Venezuelan army bases and seize a few more oil tankers. Then claim "victory". Or maybe they'll invade Ecuador which Trump threatened to do yesterday.
>>2592187
Pirates were based anti-imperialists. This is privateering. Ultra gay.

>>2592190
>Pirates were based anti imperialists
A good number of them literally worked inderectly for the english governement to loot spanish and portuguese ships

>>2592249
yeah, privateers.

>>2592282
And what if that doesn't happen?

SOMEONE PLZ POST DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY LA LA LA LA

>>2592555
i would like a webm.

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>>2592607
idc what anyone says, I love this guy.

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Imagine

>>2592394
For that to not happen someone needs to step up.

>>2593107
she has the sudoku eyes


>>2591315
>said the ship was en route to Cuba
nah, it wasn't the ship was going more to Africa.
>Venezuelan oil
>God who knows owns the ship (allegedly Russian)
possibly to India.

>>2593555
Stunning and brave.

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>>2593555
yeah, sure. she left using a fucking boat. other stories like her plane was escorted by f18 and such. in fact, more realistically, she left using dolphins (Cuban gusanos 'escapee' stories, btw).

>>2593138
>idc what anyone says, I love this guy.
honestly best man.

To consider, that Venezuela does have organized crime, as everywhere.

The worse things get the more the line of what's legal blurs. As the state institutions themselves come to, out of necessity, regularly work with the criminal side of the law, to get the things done. Such as "smuggling" all the trade the US (or sometimes the UN) sanctions. There is always a balance of this , of course, but a siege threatens the criminals gaining too much influence and eventually selling out the state to the highest bidder. Or disintegrating undermined by corruption.

So in a way, although it may not be the case for Venezuela right now, putting any place under a brutal economic siege on the premise that they are wholly corrupt and criminal is a self fulfilling prophecy. Cuba wriggled out of this by being more useful to the USA as a miserable punching bag to be made and example of, than a disaster to manage.

>>2593555
>run away
>get blown up by the US
that would have been extremely funny. In fact, venezuelan government should have kidnapped her, put her in a fishing boat without radio with some other gusanos, and remote controlled it toward the US

>>2586432
FWIW he has been making claims for years with nothing to back them up to the point where even people 100% against Maduro who think he actually did those things don't give a fuck about what El Pollo has to say, his contributions have led to nothing

Based normal looking working class lady vs cringe demon-lady in a human skin suit

For Rubio the Cuba Hawk, the Road to Havana Runs Through Venezuela

Mr. Rubio, now Mr. Trump’s secretary of state and interim national security adviser, is a primary architect of an escalating military pressure campaign against Venezuela. And while pushing out Mr. Maduro appears to be one immediate goal of U.S. policy, doing so could help fulfill another decades-long dream of Mr. Rubio’s: dealing a critical blow to Cuba.

“Their theory of change involves cutting off all support to Cuba,” said Juan S. Gonzalez, who was President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s top White House aide for Western Hemisphere affairs. “Under this approach, once Venezuela goes, Cuba will follow.”

Mr. Rubio has hinted at the idea in public, telling NPR in early 2019 that a weakened Cuba would be a welcome “byproduct” of a change in Venezuela’s government, even if it were not “the central rationale” for pushing out Mr. Maduro. “Anything that’s bad for a communist dictatorship is something I support,” he said.

In private, he has been more direct. As a senator, Mr. Rubio routinely discussed Mr. Maduro’s support for Havana in detail with his colleagues, as well as with U.S. officials and foreign diplomats, according to a former Senate aide who was often present for the discussions. The former aide said Mr. Rubio had “articulated a vision” in which splitting Venezuela from Cuba would have disastrous consequences for the Cuban government.

In 2019, Mr. Rubio and aides to Mr. Trump took what they saw as an important lesson from the failed push against Mr. Maduro that April: Cuba had been the pivotal player in saving Mr. Maduro, not his people or his generals.

Cuban intelligence had tipped off Mr. Maduro to the plot, and Cuban operatives inside his country helped him crush it, Mr. Bolton and other former officials said. Cuba also had a plane waiting, ready to whisk Mr. Maduro away — to Havana, Trump officials said at the time.

The Trump administration sharply escalated its pressure campaign against Mr. Maduro when it seized a tanker with Venezuelan oil in the Caribbean Sea on Wednesday. The tanker had offloaded some oil to a smaller ship bound for Cuba before going toward China, The New York Times reported on Friday.

A Cuban opposition figure, José Daniel Ferrer, who fled to the United States in October after being released from prison and met with Mr. Rubio, said in an interview that deposing Mr. Maduro “would also favor the fall, or possible fall, of the regime in Havana, which is the matrix of evil.”

Mr. Ferrer said he and Mr. Rubio discussed the ties between Venezuela and Cuba in their State Department meeting last month.

In a social media post on Friday, Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina who has worked closely with Mr. Rubio, described the endgame: “Hopefully the end of Mr. Maduro’s reign of terror in Venezuela is near, and then we can focus on Cuba, one of his greatest allies and one of the most oppressive regimes in our backyard.”

>Exile Politics


For Mr. Rubio, seeing Cuba’s government crumble would be a lifelong dream come true.

Mr. Rubio’s parents, Mario and Oriales, immigrated to Florida from Cuba three years before the triumph of Fidel Castro’s communist revolution in 1959. Rising through Florida Republican politics, Mr. Rubio cast himself as a sworn enemy of Mr. Castro (“an evil, murderous dictator”) and his successors.

“Rubio emerges out of the anti-Cuban politics of Miami,” said Benjamin J. Rhodes, a former deputy national security adviser to President Barack Obama.

Mr. Rhodes managed Mr. Obama’s partial restoration of U.S. economic and diplomatic ties with Cuba and interacted with Mr. Rubio at the time. “He’s always been rooted in a regime change policy toward Havana — it’s core to his identity,” Mr. Rhodes said.

“There’s always been an article of faith in Miami that if the Venezuelan domino falls, the Cuban domino will follow,” he added.

Since joining the Trump administration, Mr. Rubio has pressed his cause directly, ordering new sanctions on Cuban government officials, activities and businesses.

>The Crucible


The modern Cuba-Venezuela partnership emerged from Mr. Castro’s admiration for Mr. Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chávez, a champion of the poor who staged a failed revolution before winning an election to take power as president in 1999.

Cuba has a singular pull on Latin America hawks, and especially for those from diaspora families like Mr. Rubio’s, said Curt Mills, executive director of The American Conservative magazine, which opposes U.S. regime change efforts. Those hawks see leftist governments in the region, from Nicaragua to Venezuela, “as ultimately rather hapless appendages of Havana.”

“Cuba,” he said, “is the crucible.”

https://archive.is/FVyET

>>2592607
here's an mp4, the webm would've been bigger file size

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>>2595192
I like her Bolivar shirt

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>>2591418
just normal burger things

WAR?
NO!



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