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>>2576793Thread in which we discuss the latest aggression-based-on-lies by the USA against a country which did not attack it. This one was made before the other one, so I vote we keep this one.
WAR?
NO!
>>2595882She looks like an antisemitic caricature
>>2596042
A serious invasion would be a big American blunder akin to Vietnam, so I'm not sure if I want it to happen. On the one hand it could make the end of the American empire come far sooner than expected, on the other hand a serious invasion(as in beyond symbolic strikes a la Iran) would turn into yet more American anti-guerrilla warfare which, much like in Vietnam, is pretty much genocidal.
>>2596047Reminder Caracas isn't coastal. It's behind a mountain range. There is a choke to get into the city. You don't have to be a HoI4 player to see how a naval invasion into a choke and/or air invasion past a mountain, both into an urban area would be a…
problem. For
any military.
NEH
reminder
NEH
>>2596263Except they won't. You put too much hope in the amount of sacrifice the US is willing to make. 4 million militia are willing and able to fight for the chavista regime.
>>2596263>vote blue no matter whoamerica invades venezuela
>vote redamerica invades venezuela
>don't vote at allamerica invades venezuela
Does voting one way or another affect this outcome whatsoever?
>>2596270No. To be fair, democrats in the congress are very much against this potential regime change operation. But we all know the democratic strategy is to do what Trump is doing but in a slower more "calculated" way. Dems play it safe. Republicans are hotheaded.
>>2596264We heard of the same million strong devoted iraqi soldiers
Once big yankee cock invade they all threw their weapons and fled and murica just rolled over
>>2596047Why do you not want America to get into a pickle? Are you a vlass enemy?
>>2596271So you're saying that voting for dems would slow down brute force imperialism, if not so slow that it never happens in the face of venezuela's growing might, and not only that but dems are technically progressive in comparison to rethuglicans, giving more concessions to the working class in general, managing the economy better, and using soft power internationally that while still imperialist, results in less death and destruction overall and allowing SEA countries in the global south an easier time to build up their productive forces?
>>2596272That was a 160,000 strong multi-national force.
>>2596276Nazism with a Human Face
Genocide with Beyonce Characteristics
Rape, yes, but with a condom
You get the point i hope
>>2596277Do not question me.
Look it's really really important for the global proletariat that America weakens itself by feeding trillions into the global MIC and arms trade. That's communism and if you oppose it you're a social fascist at best
I'm being revolutionary by doing nothing.
>>2596287Political quietism. Be nice, be polite, be
quiet >>2596290have a plan to kill everyone you meet
>>2596285Yes, the Dems and the Reps are exactly the same
>>2596294>there is no left or right wing of capitalRead marx please
>>2596297You misunderstand
I am saying in the context of bullying and assaulting Venezuela (or Cuba, or DPRK, or Russia, or China), there is no difference between Rwpublicans and Democrats.
>>2596294There is. The overarching goals of the dems and GOP is the same but they are still independent, in their own, market controlled away.
>>2596299>making shit upThe democrats wouldn't be doing the shit we've seen the DT admin doing in the Gulf this past year and that is almost without debate. Yes they would be imperialist still, because they are a bourgeois democratic "party", but their approach, philosophies, tactics and actions are not exactly the same, with the democrats being less destructive overall (even when committing war crimes, they regularly commit less). This is all a very low bar, they're still monsters, but to make total equivalences is just intellectually lazy.
>>2596308Fuck you naive liberal
The demonrats are satanic queer fascists
>>2596308In fact, with the democrats in charge and taking the blame for everything, class distinctions become
more apparent to the masses because they're supposed to be the "progressive nice" party and still fail to do jack shit. Every time a democrat is president, the progressive minded wing of the masses begin to turn against the rich and wallstreet as opposed to being distracted by the psychotic demagoguery of the hyper-fascist decadent conservatives. As far as harm reduction goes, the democrats are sadly the only but technically better choice. This is unique to american politics because we don't have a pluralistic parliament so it's a shitty system to inherit but it's still pretty straightforward and nearly every leftist who actually lives here intuitively understand this dynamic because it's very obvious
>>2596313(however we are still capable in some local elections to run "Independents" with much better politics and that is becoming more frequent over time as consciousness slowly develops. Bernie has been an Independent senator and house representative for over 30 years.
>>2596308the democrats were escalating over ukraine to levels far more dangerous than anything trump is doing in the caribbean. the reality is they're not the same exactly, but if the empire is doing "less" in one place it's doing more somewhere else. It's just a matter of preference and sequencing, where the focus and approach goes atm.
the ruling class wants hegemony re-established. and right now they want a mafia don to be a brazen criminal and bully weaker opponents ("soft targets") into compliance and bide time with with the big dogs (russia china). when that approach doesn't work or loses its utility they'll change to a democrat to do different tactics, sequencing and messaging. the end goal will not change.
you can't vote the empire away. they have a military and intelligence machine with budgets that need to be justified and resources that need to be expended somewhere (against someone). it's going to do what it does one way or another. if they stopped directing it against venezuela tomorrow they would direct it against someone else the next.
No matter who you elect, you can guarantee they're going to increase the military budget, increase the powers of the security state, increase the number of sanctions and economic warfare measures around the world, and they're going to be trying to overthow multiple governments by multiple means.
>>2596311We call them DickᛋᛋiegKKKrats, Anon.
>>2596327>You can't vote empire awayNo shit and no one said that, no one is ever saying that. But as a matter of strategic preference for communists all the world over, a democratic American administration is preferred to a Republican one Every Single Time.
>>2596331the last major US wars against communists/socialists that come to mind are:
Vietnam (started by Kennedy)
Afghanistan (proxy, by Carter)
Nicaragua (proxy, by Reagan, arguably by Carter)
Yugoslavia (Clinton)
there are others you could name, but you get the drift. destroying socialism is a bipartisan obsession in DC. Electing democrats has never helped communists (at least not since FDR i guess).
when are you guys going to talk about Venezuela
If the US does actually commit to an invasion of Venezuela I hope the AI bubble bursts at the same time to increase the chance of an American collapse/civil war.
VUVU SI VUVU SI, YANKEE NO
>>2596423blackpill: america will have no civil war until the rest of the world is a smoldering wasteland, with billions dead and nowhere else for it to export its contradictions
>>2596485Even then, Musktard will find martians to enslave before the Yeezy-obsessed american 'prole' decides to revolt
Behind the Seized Venezuelan Tanker, Cuba’s Secret LifelineThe oil tanker seized by the United States off the coast of Venezuela this week was part of the Venezuelan government’s effort to support Cuba, according to documents and people inside the Venezuelan oil industry.
The tanker, which is called Skipper, left Venezuela on Dec. 4, carrying nearly two million barrels of the country’s heavy crude, according to internal data from Venezuela’s state oil company, known as PDVSA. The ship’s destination was listed as the Cuban port of Matanzas, the data shows.
Two days after its departure, Skipper offloaded a small fraction of its oil, an estimated 50,000 barrels, to another ship, called Neptune 6, which then headed north toward Cuba, according to the shipping data firm Kpler. After the transfer, Skipper headed east, toward Asia, with the vast majority of its oil on board, according to a U.S. official briefed on the matter.
In recent years, however, only a fraction of Venezuelan oil set aside for Cuba has actually reached the island, according to PDVSA documents and tanker tracking data.
Most of the oil allocated for Cuba has instead been resold to China, with the money providing badly needed hard currency for the Cuban government, according to multiple people close to the Venezuelan government.
Some of that money is believed to have been used by Cuban officials to purchase basic goods, though the opacity of the country’s economy makes it difficult to estimate where that money ends up, or how it is spent, or how much goes to business intermediaries with ties to both governments.
The oil from Venezuela that does reach Cuba generates electricity and provides fuel for airplanes and machinery. But it is not enough to prevent widespread power outages that have plagued the island amid a broader economic crisis.
Skipper’s planned voyage shows how, in practice, Cuba benefits from oil trade in Venezuela. Cubametales, the state-run firm, listed the ship’s destination as Cuba, suggesting that all of the company’s allocated 1.1 million barrels were heading to the island.
The tanker, however, ultimately headed to China after offloading only a small fraction of the oil to the Neptune 6 and sending it en route to Cuba, according to a person close to PDVSA.
Then, on Wednesday, as Skipper sailed east in international waters between the islands of Grenada and Trinidad, it fell into a U.S. ambush.
U.S. officials said they would seek a warrant to seize the oil, valued at tens of millions of dollars, adding that the crew had agreed to sail the vessel under Coast Guard supervision to a U.S. port, likely Galveston, Texas.
The history of Skipper’s voyages points to a larger, looser network connecting the energy industries of Venezuela, Cuba, Iran and Russia, the four American adversaries that have been, to various degrees, shut out from the formal global oil market by Washington’s sanctions.
Skipper’s crew of about 30 sailors was mostly Russian, a U.S. official said.
Before shipping Venezuelan oil, Skipper spent four years as part of Iran’s covert fleet, transporting Iranian oil to Syria and China, according to data from Kpler, the shipping data firm, and a senior Iranian oil ministry official, who discussed sensitive issues on condition of anonymity.
Elsewhere in Venezuela, Iranian contractors have worked on repairing the country’s El Palito and Amuay refineries, according to Homayoun Falakshahi, Kpler’s head oil analyst and an expert on Iran’s energy sector.
Russia supplies Venezuela with key imports of naphtha, a light oil product that Venezuela uses to dilute its sludgy main type of crude and make it suitable for export. A Russian state-run oil company, Rosneft, produces nearly 100,000 barrels a day of crude in Venezuela, and in previous years the company had played a crucial role in exporting Venezuelan oil to China.
https://archive.is/A2SPZ How much longer till the bombing starts? I know it's hard to predict the exact date but it can't be much longer at this point. The escalation is getting worse, the imperialist media already has decided on its handpicked successor (may she burn in Hell), etc. In any case I'm going to try to time my self-immolation for maximum effect.
>>2597138Deployment began in August. From then to now we have 4 months.
For comparison, Iraq War 1 = 5 months
Iraq war 2 = 13 months
>>2596336>Electing democrats has never helped communists (at least not since FDR i guess).I'm inclined to agree but preference for the Democrats over Republicans has been the position of every ruling communist party since WW2. The CPUSA adopted its position of supporting the democrats under the advice if the CPSU, and later on the Cuban and Chinese communists.
>In any case I'm going to try to time my self-immolation for maximum effect.
my sibling in science that is one of the stupidest and most painful ways to commit suicide. Also you will be forgotten immediately like Aaron Bushnell.
>>2596060Yes it would be a problem which is why they're just going to start indiscriminately bombing settlements as soon as they face any guerrilla resistance. They'll probably bring out the napalm and white phosphorus again too and nonzero chance they bring back chemical weapons like they used in Vietnam again. Because otherwise the invasion would be incredibly costly and they are fully willing to trade cost for increased Venezuelan collateral.
>>2596272The majority of Iraq is/was Shia. Anyone who knew anything about Iraq wouldn't have expected high morale from most of the army for the Sunni anti-Shia dictator Saddam. There are no such issues in Venezuela, also the 4 million he's talking about are volunteer militias and not soldiers in it for the pay.
>>2596308They're not less militaristic, the Obama admin was the one that invaded Libya. They're just sponsored by different factions of elites with different top priorities, e.g. Democrats prioritizing Ukraine and attacking Russia over Latin America and "securing the border", and also the Democrats are more competent than the Republicans under the current Trump clique which I think is plain to see. Which is why I support the Republicans. 建国同志加油！
>>2598674>if stalin didn't demonize drugs the neocons would now be powerless to hurt madurothe absolute state of trots
>>2598729Saddam wasn't really anti-Shia. He had Shias in his admin and didn't care about sect, just whether you supported or opposed him. Of course a lot of the majority Shias would have preferred one of their own and closer relations with Iran.
Venezuela is entirely different (it's not a dictatorship first of all), and a lot of the population is invested in the social programs and don't want to lose them to a neolib puppet regime.
also, even though the iraqi army quickly gave up, a lot of those guys just went away to bide time and build the insurgency.
>>2598969I'm not a trot, drug prohibition wasn't a thing during Stalin's era, you're in denial that you're a conservative reactionary supporting US foreign policy exported through the UN.
>>2597149so this one should take longer to start up, then? what if it just never starts up. what if the burger reich is only capable of bullying fishermen and fizzling out?
>>2597138>How much longer till the bombing starts?The elimination of Maduro will happen once the Yanks are sure that the cuck in the Kremlin won't exploit the opportunity to wipe out the Kiev regime. I'm not sure why the Yanks consider it even a possibility, quite frankly.
>>2599809cucktin lost years ago what the fuck are they thinking
>>2600206what does PCM mean
>>2600291political compass memes, i'm assuming
>>2600206the political compass is ideological capitalist dogshit btw
>>2596272Then what happened?
>>2600514the us president is divorced from reality
>>2600514This might make Maduro actually respond militarily.
>>2600514I love that he fit in a dig at Biden who lives rent free in Trump's head. Meanwhile everyone, including Biden forgot about his presidency.
>>2600514gulf of tonking incoming
So what do you do in this case, if you're Maduro?
Organize a convoy out of all the sanctioned tankers and use it as bait to strike Americans that go to intercept it?
>>2600514imaging losing Miami to democrats, and who knows if even Florida, and still ranting about Venezuela. gotta love the similarities with a captain staying with its sinking ship.
>>2600541>>2600556this, babaaah!
>>2600556Obtain nork nukes
>>2600556>Organize a convoy out of all the sanctioned tankers and use it as bait to strike Americans that go to intercept it?Please do me the favor of telling me that you're serious. Getting some real "let the enemy encircle you, duck, and they'll shoot one another" energy here.
>>2600732?
What else is there to do? Just sit and wait as the US blockades half your export and hope nothing bad happens? Venezuela barely has a navy, but it has anti-air and anti-ship missiles. Have the tankers try to slip away into the Atlantic, and attack whatever the US sends to intercept.
I would also support invasions of Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago.
Venezuela Condemns Trump’s Threat of Military and Naval Blockade
The Bolivarian Government described as “reckless and serious” the statement made by the US president on social media, where he demanded the handover of Venezuelan natural resources under threat of a naval blockade.
The Venezuelan government announced on Tuesday, December 16, 2025, that it will denounce before the UN the “grotesque threats” made by US President Donald Trump to impose a naval blockade to seize its natural resources. The US president made these statements via his social media accounts, demanding the return of Venezuelan assets.
In a statement, the Bolivarian Government of Venezuela specified that President Trump, in an act it describes as a violation of international law, free trade, and freedom of navigation, “assumes that Venezuela’s oil, land, and mineral wealth are his property,” demanding their immediate handover. The official statement labels this action an “absolutely irrational” attempt to impose a military and naval blockade to “steal the country’s wealth
“Venezuela, in the full exercise of the International Law that protects us, our Constitution, and the laws of the Republic, reaffirms its sovereignty over all its natural resources, as well as the right to free navigation and free trade in the Caribbean Sea and the world’s oceans. Consequently, it will proceed, in strict adherence to the UN Charter, to fully exercise its freedom, jurisdiction, and sovereignty in the face of these warmongering threats,” states the text published by the Bolivarian Government.
The statement assures that the Venezuelan ambassador to the UN, Samuel Moncada, will immediately proceed to formalize the complaint for this “serious violation of International Law,” in strict adherence to the Charter of the United Nations.
The Venezuelan government called on the American people and the international community to reject this “extravagant threat that once again reveals Donald Trump’s true intentions to steal the riches of the country that gave birth to the United Liberation Army of South America and to our Liberator, Simón Bolívar.”
The statement quoted Trump verbatim, who expressed on social media: “until all the oil, land, and other assets that were previously stolen from us are returned to the United States.” In this regard, the Bolivarian government affirms that “his true intention, which has been denounced by Venezuela and the people of the United States in large demonstrations, has always been to appropriate the country’s oil, land, and minerals through massive campaigns of lies and manipulation.”
“Venezuela will never again be a colony of any empire or foreign power and will continue, together with its people, on the path of building prosperity and the unrestricted defense of our independence and sovereignty,” the statement concludes.
The text concludes by reaffirming the Venezuelan people’s stance in defending their historical rights and independence, quoting Simón Bolívar: “fortunately, a handful of free men have been seen to defeat powerful empires.”
https://www.telesurenglish.net/venezuela-condemns-trumps-threat-of-military-and-naval-blockade/>>2600753Maduros response
Thank you, Haile Selassie. Very cool.
I'm so tired of this shit man
When will it be over
>>2600514Wow, they actually did the smart move and did a blockade. Relatively low risk if they keep their ships far away enough. Though since they intend on pirating the oil rather than simply blowing up the ships, their SF teams might not make it out alive if any of the tankers are rigged to blow. The Trump admin should be real careful about seizing any small, old and dilapidated tankers, it would be a huge political blow for them if they lost several elite troops on a pirate mission.
>>2600776when the usa finally gets the ass kicking it so deserves, and not before
>>2600611>Then redo for Cuba now that they aren't gonna get any Venezuelan fuel I guess, I'm just dooming.Yeah. Also there's another problem that is being made worse by fuel shortages.
>Cuba today is indeed a country of sick citizens who do not know exactly what they are suffering from. All they know is that they are being infected by “the virus” – a sinister ghost that has drifted across the entire island, wiping out its inhabitants. First come the high fevers, then red spots develop, or else peeling skin. Vomiting, diarrhea and headaches are inevitable. The hands and knees swell. Victims can barely stand on their feet, and there are those who have not walked again even after the worst is over. A limp indicates a virus survivor. Citizens who drag their legs or complain about achy joints have likely also been hit. According to Maidelys Solano, 38, who was ill at home in Bayamo along with her two children, her father and nephews, every morning in every Cuban neighborhood, people are saying, “It hurts here, it hurts there, today I am a little better, or I could not get out of bed. That’s how all the neighbors are, it’s what they repeat daily.”
>Almost all families in Cuba have had someone sick at home due to the country’s epidemiological crisis. The disease is in fact a combination of several mosquito-borne viruses, a model of “combined arboviruses” that includes dengue, Oropouche and chikungunya, as well as other respiratory viruses such as H1N influenza, respiratory syncytial virus, and Covid-19. According to figures published by the Ministry of Public Health, 5,717 new cases of chikungunya were reported in the last week, bringing the number of patients suffering from it to 38,938. As for dengue, the ministry said the disease remains active in the country’s 14 provinces and 113 municipalities.[…]
>The reasons why Cuba became a hotbed of mosquitoes and disease overnight is what many today are trying to figure out. The authorities have come up with the fact that Cuba has a “virgin” population in the face of a virus such as chikungunya, which was discovered on the island for the first time in 2014. They have also attributed the causes to the months of heat and rain that create favorable conditions for the mosquito. Although the country has mobilized forces at the last minute for garbage collection, the fact is the garbage got out of hand due to a lack of government action. And large garbage dumps have fostered a proliferation of mosquito infestations. With daily blackouts, Cuba lacks the fuel to guarantee fumigation. Meanwhile, insecticides are scarce and the lack of water means even minimum hygiene is difficult to attain. The infestation rate, which has become practically uncontrollable, stands at a high risk 0.89%.
>Dr. Geanela Cruz Ávila, director of the Provincial Center for Hygiene, Epidemiology and Microbiology of Holguín, told Cuba’s state-controlled news outlet ¡Ahora! that if they had failed in anything, it was in prevention. “In vector-borne diseases, the focus must be on the vector. Without a mosquito outbreak, there is no transmission,” she said, adding that the problem had to be tackled at source. “We can eliminate flying mosquitoes, but if we don’t eliminate the larvae, eggs and pupae, they will continue to emerge and transmit the disease.” Cuban officials believe that with lower temperatures coming, the arboviruses will also decrease. However, they insist on mosquitos being dealt with in the home.https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-12-14/we-are-dying-cuba-sinks-into-a-health-crisis-amid-medicine-shortages-and-misdiagnosis.html(USER WAS PUT INTO A COMA BY THE GHOST OF FIDEL CASTRO)>>2600814That's why sociopath Rubio is avid about this. Domino effect to take out Venezuela, Nicaragua and his final vengeance against Socialist Cuba that his family had to leave
>>2600814jesus fucking christ man what the fuck
>>2600814>Cuban officials, who are always reluctant to acknowledge any catastrophe, have been refusing to accept that there is a health crisis,This is fascist propaganda. Everything in it can be disregarded
China has to intervene at some point
>>2600992>has toWhy exactly?
>>2601098It is in their interest to.
>>2600992how do you imagine events unfolding if they intervene?
>>2600992>>2601134China is going to write a very condemning letter against the US. Don't talk shit about China, BEWARE, OR ELSE!
Maybe Xi will even give a mean speech against US military actions.
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>>2600514Wasn't his last talking point that Maduro secretly offered him everything and he said no,
though?
>>2600814>El Paisyeeah. no.
>>2600992>China has to intervene at some point>>2601137>China is going to write a very condemning letter against the US.The secondary geostrategic goal of US direct attacks on Iran, Venezuela, etc., and of all the US indirect attacks by proxy is to try to show that China and Russia are useless allies and that they're afraid of the US.
if you're a readerlet, please read my post twenty times carefully before you have your outburst about what you believe I believe >>2601438>China and Russia are useless allies and that they're afraid of the US. I mean, that's true.
>>2601482Russia and Belarus are useless. China doesn't relent usually.
>>2601487China is significantly less interventionist than Russia though.
>>2601491They don't need to use military intervention.
They hold the cards economically. They can do what the Saudis did during the Yom Kippur War.
>>2601482Is Putin still letting the US attack Russian soil with weapons that require American targeting approval? I lost track. Recently I heard he's even letting the UK get away with strikes against Russian assets and his only response is against random Ukraine shit that should've been destroyed four years ago.
>>2601495>They can do what the Saudis did during the Yom Kippur War.They can but won't. They're not going to lift an economic finger for Venezuela. Heck, their policy in the Ukraine conflict is neutrality, and Russia is a bigger ally than lil Venezuela lol.
>>2600992China gave an economic lifeline to Iran and Iran is still standing. China is giving an economic lifeline to Venezuela and it's not going to anywhere. Venezeula's terrain is like if you combine Vietnam and Afghanistan. It is not a Syria situation. The US would need to do a full on ground invasion and risk getting stuck in a 10-20 years quagmire. If anything, that would help China…
>>2601512>China is giving an economic lifeline to Venezuela The US just blockaded the country from the atlantic and installed right wing puppets in all the pacific coast countries in south america
They don't need an invasion, just pillaging the oil vessels is enough, it's already over for socialism in Venezuela and the rest of latam for at least two decades.
>>2601512This is a bit of equivocation. What's under dispute is not that China will trade with Venezuela or whatever - China is willing to trade with Antarctica - but that China will retaliate economically against the US by cutting off rare earths or whatever. That's what the regular Yom Kippur War poster (you?) understood by Chinese retaliation in the previous iterations of this thread.
trump might be announcing the invasion tonight
>>2601522Huh, but I thought focusing on
development and
cooperation is the way to avoid the hegemon's hard power.
>>2601533It is cooperation
Not sure why anyone would think China is going to drop economic sanctions against the US for Venezuela when it didn't against Israel for Gaza or… against the US for Iran.
>>2600992There is nothing China can do. China does not have the navy assets necessary to contest America in their own fucking backyard in the South China Sea, never-mind halfway around the world in Venezuela near the Atlantic Ocean. Have you taken a look at a world map in your entire life? How the fuck can China possibly even resupply without getting shot from a million directions? Just like how the USSR let Chile die because there was no fucking way they could ever militarily contest America in Latin America, there is zero fucking chance China can militarily intervene in Latin America. Venezuelans have to rally around Maduro and hold out.
>>2601544None of you people understand anything.
>China sanctions Israel>Israel to the rest of the world: give us Chinese products >Rest of the world re-directs some of their imports to Israel>Nothing fucking happens Just like how India re-supplied Russian oil to the EU. If sanctions did not collapse Russia why in a million years would they ever collapse Israel you retard?
Kind of offtopic, but this is kind of shit is why China cannot let the USA get too comfortable in the Pacific. It must be made clear, that no matter what western media print and how comatose western voters are.No matter how much cop-speak is deployed to trivialize a (soft) blockade of *any* sort of maritime trade bound for China… is existential.
Because it is, it doesn't matter if the, say, hidrocarbons are being blockaded in Oceania or Taiwan or the Artic, the only appropriate response is MAD.
Hopefully this highlights the degree of complicity that playing these things down actually is. They are playing with fire, these media institutions and they are not getting anywhere near the amount of shit they deserve, every time they muse "containing" and "deterring" China in the Pacific through "defending Taiwan" or w/e.
>>2601577a year isn't that far fetched, but an armed blockade is a massive escalation compared to some retarded coups spearheaded by some 3 or 4 gusano failsons during the booming years of chavismo
>>2601636I want Venezuela to beat the fuck out of a US strike force simply to watch this witches reaction.
>>2601636I think she just hates her people. I think a significant chunk of the worlds population hates their fellow countrymen and is very willing to let millions of them to die horribly.
>>2601626Traditionally blockades were seen as declaration of war in Europe.
>>2601647>I think she just hates her people.Shes following order from USA. Entire team of glowuyghurs orchestrating her media presence. In exchange she will get filthy rich and dictatorial power in Venezuela.
>>2601647republican pigdogs are right about one thing, in that liberals do hate their countrymen
>>2601659>>2601657I know but even without that she would probably still be well off and comfortable. I think she has goals beyond just getting rich. Power is part of it but power over other peoples lives is even better. She really has no need to do any of this I mean no one does because it's just so disastrous for just about everybody. I don't know I just think there's something beyond money and power or maybe there isn't.
>>2601663USA republicans are liberals.
>>2601636Why doesn't Maduro just kill the bitch?
>>2601672I doubt she's in the country. Why do you think she somehow managed to get to Norway despite being on a travel ban? CIA shit.
>>2601690big surprise, Latams support this war more than north americans do
Anything happen yet?
>>2601636>Comes out of nowhere and wins the Nobel PISS prize>Every public appearance is her demanding military intervention in Venezuela They're calling her the most obvious CIA plant ever since John Paul II
>>2601702Don't worry they'll just set up death squads to hunt them down when they become too irritated with them
WAR? NO!
NEVER NEVER WAR
PEACE? YES!
>>2601715What a worthless post.
>>2601564>If sanctions did not collapse Russia why in a million years would they ever collapse Israel you retard?Who said they'd collapse Israel, you dumb motherfucker? Nobody said anything about the
effectiveness of the actions. Learn to read what's in front of your eyes instead of shoehorning in your mind-reading assumptions.
>>2601566As Russia under Putin shows, even the world's most advanced nuclear arsenal isn't going to deter the US from striking your homeland with impunity. Successful deterrence is about more than military capability. It's also about credibility, which hinges on a certain mentality that Putin (and probably Xi) lacks.
US weapons+intel to Ukraine? Immediate nuclear arming of Iran after 72 hours if it doesn't halt.
US weapons+intel to Taiwan? Immediate nuclear arming of Iran after 72 hours if it doesn't halt.
That's how you handle the US.
>>2601758Israel will launch all of its nuclear arsenal without saying a single word, if Iran gets a nuke. What now?
>>2601765Israel gets destroyed in return.
The US won't allow that and isn't going to sacrifice Israel just so it can keep arming Ukraine and/or Taiwan.
>>2601766>US will back downWhere is this coming from?
>>2601650They are an act of war.
An act of war without a proper declaration of war is a war crime, not that the law matters.
>>2601778Where's the backing down? US will simply threaten to launch their own arsenal in response. What now?
>>2601783The US isn't going MAD over Ukraine and Taiwan lmao. The very point of using proxies in the first place is that it has no appetite for MAD.
>>2601787That cuts both ways. US will keep doing what's it doing, assuming (you) don't have an appetite for MAD, either.
>>2601788>assuming (you) don't have an appetite for MADThat's why you don't bluff about delivering the nukes to Iran. You actually intend to do it, and their intel services pick up that you're serious about doing it. It requires a certain leader, obviously, someone who's credibly prepared to enter MAD if that's what the US wants to do.
I'd expect the deliveries to halt within 72 seconds, let alone 72 hours.
>>2601789>CubaWeird how Putin the history buff ignored the Turkey/Cuba lesson. Along with the Tsar Bomba lesson. Along with any lesson that requires not being a Yeltsinite wimp.
>>2600753Yeah, it's over unless something is done about this. Not just for Venezuela, mind you. With Venezuela America would obtain extreme leverage over oil markets, on a whole new level from what they have now. That would be destructive for the entire world.
Any latam anons who can explain the situation with Brazil and Colombia? Because if there are going to be military supplies into Venezuela, they will have to go through these countries once the war starts.
I'm guessing it's over. You have to remember that Vietnam had China right next to it and Afghanistan had Pakistan. Please prove me wrong.
>>2601758Iranian representatives act indignated and cite the nuclear prohibition fatwa.
>>2601765>>2601767Please stop with this nooks bullshit, it's dumb in the current age. Soviet Union had a military prepared for nuclear war as well as serious plans for evacuation of cities, no non-planned economy can do this.
>>2601826>Iranian representatives act indignated and cite the nuclear prohibition fatwa.Well, there's that… smh.
At least Xi retaliated appropriately when Europe tried to steal his assets in the Netherlands, forcing a reversal. Meanwhile, Putin is threatening to launch MATLOCK COURSE CASES in EUROPEAN courts if Europe goes ahead and steals his assets lmfao.
>>2601826neither brazil nor columbia would be happy to see US intervene, and would prolly allow help to go venezeula. And anyway they couldnt stop it even if they wanted, the border is in the fucking jungle, but they might even provide covert support. Although columbia is filled with far right paramilitaries and dea glowies.
>>2601667It's called Wetiko.
>Guys I have a Plan™ to reign in USA.
>*look inside*
>Global Nuclear Holocaust glitchless any% speedrun
Just fucking come out and say it.
been ignoring this whole thing thinking it was a nothing burger, trump set to address the nation, but if it happens, it happens tonight.
>>2601990It's happening. Which is bad. This is nothingburger that should stay a nothingburger.
>>2601995Then we'll be back to imperialism lite.
Oh well it doesn't matter. American hegemony is on its last legs. Who knows, this could be the beginning of the death blow that delivers it.
I want some of the hopium you guys are having if you think ameriKKKa is somehow gonna fumble their main objectives here
There is actually three amphibious assault ships in the Caribbean as we speak carrying thousands of US Marines.
>>2602001If Maduro actually comes out of this alive, I will personally seek the
death of every pseudo-leftist that bitched about him.
There's absolutely no way Venezuela can mount the resistance necessary to conduct a guerilla war.
Maduro's government will topple quicker than Saddam's and with it the old regime.
>>2602025Saddam didn't have 4 million political militiaman tho
>>2602030Who will pay their wages?
>>2601990I’m still betting on TACO
>>2602036
That's right liberal I support DVCE Maduro. Long live the corporatist state. Saluto Al Duce.
>>2602036
ur just scared of bbc
>Maduro
>bourgeois dictator
>I'm totally a communist, btw.
Yup, wall.
Is it a misfortune that the wonderful Oil was wrested from the lazy Venezuelans, who did not know what to do with it?… All impotent nations must, in the final analysis, be grateful to those who, obeying historical necessities, attach them to a great empire, thus allowing them participation in a historical development which would otherwise be unknown to them. It is self-evident that such a result could not be obtained without crushing some sweet little flowers. Without violence, nothing can be accomplished in history…
So is it actually happening?
>>2602049>Live in 3 hours>December 17 at 9:00 PMCheck back in a bit.
total complete non-critical support for the chavistas and the ELN
>>2602054I hope to God it is another nothingburger because the people Venezuela have suffered enough because of this country.
>>2602063Cuba is going to suffer even worse without Venezeulan support.
>>2602063Patrick Lancaster is already in Venezuela, this mean burgers will be destroyed.
>>2602069
kek you can almost feel the seething this reporter made when making this
>>2602073He's not. Patrick is still in Columbia and has been denied entry into Venezeula by the Columbian authorities. He says he's talking with the foreign minister and he's "likely" to be allowed in but still.
>>2601995This is extremely unlikely. What's left of Trump's support base are the diehards, the fanatics, the loyalists, etc whatever you want to call them. These are the same people who will deny reality when presented with mountains of evidence that Trump touched kids with Epstein. The same people who genuinely believe we live in a "Golden Age" despite rising unemployment and a worsening cost of living crisis.
Truly cultish motherfuckers who in tandem with his loyalists in the government, will go apeshit if he's impeached again. They will make sure he stays in office because he is their God.
>>2601988Good luck with your "Organize a convoy out of all the sanctioned tankers and use it as bait to strike Americans that go to intercept it."
Retard. You just hate all semblance of strength because you're weak, fat, and depressed.
>>2602093What strength? You try to live vicariously through people actually matter, and seethe they don't hear your backseating.
>>2602096Living vicariously through them would mean they're doing what I want them to do. They're not. You live vicariously through them, which is why your obese, medicated, broken mind breaks down whenever they're criticized.
>>2602098>Living vicariously through them would mean they're doing what I want them to do. They're not.Yes. That's why I said "try to". I didn't say you were succeeding in it.
>>2602107Nobody tries to live vicariously through someone they don't like, goofball. It's your identity that's caught up in their Internet honor.
>>2602111You can stop projecting any time.
>>2602115Good luck with the ship plan. I think there was an Atari game in the '80s in which it may have worked.
So what are the actual possibilities here? If there's going to be military action it would likely either be airstrikes or some kind of amphibious attack. In the former case it's very unlikely to dislodge the PSUV from power, and in the latter case it's likely to result in a US defeat.
>>2602142I was thinking of a repeat of Israel-Iran and Ukraine's Operation Spiderweb. they had secret operatives on the ground launching drones to targets, doing internal sabotage attacks. possibly assassinations. And remember trump 'authorised' the CIA to operate internally in venezuela a few months ago.
>>2602142The easiest and more expedient thing would be to annihilate oil production capabilities of Venezuela, not much ROI but it fucks a bunch of countries that are rivals with the US and makes oil more expensive which is annoyingly low for a lot of exporters because of Saudi Arabia.
Toppling the government and putting puppets in charge is harder and more complex but Venezuela has a very small army not really geared toward fighting the US. It's a matter of softening the country with strategic bombing, securing beach heads and airfields then marching on Caracas and a few other big cities. Make Machudo sign some paper in front of CNN cameras in a bombed out Miraflores palace while letting the opportunists (which the PSUV is full of) feel the wind turning and try to find positions and loot in the new administration et voilà! As a bonus the looted oil may be enough to pay for the next two decades of insurgency!
>>2602142Crude Petroleum account for 53% of Venezuela's exports. So that's bad. Plus they need to import Refined Petroleum to actually extract their Heavy Crude.
Colombia, Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago are all American whores. Brazil isn't exactly in a position to help.
The problem and saving grace is that US is the primary customer of Venezuelan Heavy Sour Crude. You need to invest a lot of money into specializing those refineries. US is going to war with its supplier, basically.
All Maduro would have to do is blow it all up as a final 'fuck you' to the Yanqui, permanently damaging US oil refining.
>>2602142>So what are the actual possibilities here?Strat bombing and decap strikes.
inb4 "you don't need to remind us every day." Well, don't ask every day.
>>2602183>All Maduro would have to do is blow it all up as a final 'fuck you' to the Yanqui, permanently damaging US oil refining.yah, that's "all" saddam needed to do, too, we were reminded. but he didn't. couldn't - inhibited by great cuck theory, just like maduro will be.
news seems to be hinting that he's going to be talking about his achievements in the greatest administration ever in the history of mannkind
>>2602227Commanding ideological and personal loyalty are two different things.
>>2602275How is that news. That's everytime he opens his mouth.
>>2602166>really geared toward fighting the USNah, if theres one thing they've always been preparing for its fighting the US
which mostly mean slowing them down and giving them a bloody nose with missiles and anti air, and then having everything prepared for a massive guerilla campaign
Remember:
"The weak get beaten." – Vladimir Putin, 2004
Hourly كسم امريكا
>>2602266
who could expect any different. the us government will support imperialism in every instance
>>2602284That's the kind of tough-guy talk we heard about Iran, too, and then it turned into leaving Dimona alone, leaving the desalination plants alone, not retaliating against a single Israeli official or nuclear scientist, creating missile spectacles in the night sky with nary a thought about targets, and at best hitting empty barracks and evacuated buildings. Holy fuck, I even remember chest-thumping about how Iran was going to shoot down B-2s… which turned into giving the US advance notice of strikes against US assets to save face domestically.
>>2601995Yeah because that's totally what happened to Bush after Iraq started sending coffins back in doves
If anything this will lead to bi-partisan unity in total prole genocide
>>2602310US didn't use B-2's, btw.
>>2602313So the theory goes.
>>2602316No amount of seething will make world leaders change their minds on wanting to be nuked or be the ones to start WW3.
>>2602326Battered-wife logic.
>>2602327Nooo, Russia and China must contest US in their own backyard, or they're cuuuuucks!
>>2602329Nooo, you can't respond against the US in your own backyard either, because that would start WW3. You have to grin and bear it!
>>2602333Ssshhh. Don't anger him. We need him to deliver his bait-ship plan for saving Venezuela.
>>2602309I don’t see how it’ll help the economy. There’s no method of distributing any of that loot and porkies are have no plans in doing anything but taking any windfall they get and financializing it away into anything productive.
>>2596272>>2600655>their weaponsTheir weapons were stored in Big Ba'athist Caches across the country that neither burgers nor your mom could find. Then used by the insurgency (ex-army) for the next decade
>ISISISIS didn't exist, it's Islamist predecessors were, alongside burgerstani army, assraped by the local insurgency.
Actual infant getting his history from Youtube shorts
>muh oilYeah Iraq might be a vassal state but it's a shared US-Iranian project. US capital might operate there but so does every other multinational capital. The material means of the actual resistance of course died down once burgers bent over to the Sunni bourgeoisie and Al-Sadr who still co-rule Iraq.
>>2602333also: what's stopping Russia or China from heavily arming Venezuela as retaliation for the arming of Ukraine and Taiwan? Something, something about backyard zones, eh? Oh.
It's fascinating the mental gymnastics people will perform to defend weakness.
>>2602340I really don't, either. Except that US still has most of the infrastructure in place required to process heavy sour crude efficiently, and
profitably. PADD 3 Gulf Coast refineries. Mostly Texas and Lousiana.
>>2602350The like counts in screencaps seem to be dropping over time at least, tho I'm assuming the times the screencaps were taken just sorta magically balance out.
>>2602358it's from truthsocial, a site only his sycophants join in the first place
>>2602327>>2602329There is nothing wrong with wanting Cucktin to act in the way libtards think he is, he should in fact bring back the USSR like they say he wants to too.
how annoying would it be if maduro immediately folded and trump's approval got a 5 point bump
>>2602361Except he's
not a communist. And I am
not invested in his political career. Let him play his game, it is completely different from mine.
>>2602362Extremely.
>>2602361Rootin' for Putin died a couple of weeks ago when people brought back the old 8chan Christcuck ridicule. This is more potent than the tedious imperialist attacks that don't land, because it's hard for his stanboys to insist he's some genius 64D chess decision-maker when he's a literal Christcuck believing absolute nonsense.
>>2602365>Except he's not a communist.He could become one, but that would imply stop being a cuck.
didn't putin go on tv and ban satanism or something earlier this year? I don't remember specific dates. all I remember is laughing at the cringe.
Is an actual happening imminent?
>>2602381Find out in 1 minute + however long it'll take for Trump to stop jerking off and get to the point.
I confess I used to mock Putin's reactionary and borderline theocratic government pre-SMO but dropped it when the SMO started because he may as well be a means to an end.
Feels like the consent manufacturing machine isn't even bothering with this one.
>>2602396Why would they bother? Burgers wont do shit anyways.
>>2602399Actually, let me correct this, the consent manufacturing did in fact bother with this one, it just didnt focus in the US population but latam's.
>>2602396It feels like there's a distinct lack of consensus among Washington, so the propaganda machine doesn't know which way to jump.
>>2602329Yes. At the very least they should be working on ways to step up arms shipments to Venezuela.
>>2602396>>2602408fox news is going all in, the others are skeptical
>>2602381Would Tucker Carlson just bullshit people to juice ratings for Trump???
>>2602349What, specifically, do you think they should be arming Venezuela with?
>>2602411It likely won't go ahead then, or at least won't last long. Without bipartisan support domestic opposition would ramp up fast.
>>2602396Not really necessary.
In 2003, broadband Internet was still in the mid-to-late stages of residential adoption. There was no YouTube, Reddit, or Facebook. There were no mobile app filters for turning your dick into a carrot. There was at best Amazon surfing, eBay auctions, Netflix by DVD post, and lagging chat rooms for the normies… and Usenet, IRC, mailing lists, mom-and-pop forums, and three-person Quake servers for the nerds.
Yankie Joe doesn't give a shit about Venezuela as long as it doesn't steal his Robux, empty out his crypto, mess with his AI, catfish him on Tinder, and tinker with his smart thermostat as he watches streamed Netflix on his plasma TV.
>>2602422>What, specifically, do you think they should be arming Venezuela with?I'd say Oreshniks, but I'm no longer convinced they actually exist as depicted. I now think the Dnipro incident at the end of last year actually involved some beaten-up RS-26 with severe military limitations. Likewise with the nuclear cruise missile and the nuclear torpedo this year - I think they're a decade or two away. You don't go around begging Trump to renew treaty agreements when you have the upper hand. You let the US crawl to you, as they did after the Tsar Bomba demonstration.
I'm sure that China and Russia have some hypersonic anti-ship missiles they can spare, tho.
>>2602432>Yankie Joe doesn't give a shit about Venezuela as long as it doesn't steal his Robux, empty out his crypto, mess with his AI, catfish him on Tinder, and tinker with his smart thermostat as he watches streamed Netflix on his plasma TV.Anon, people are already struggling to afford basic necessities, service absurd debts, etc. War will only exacerbate those problems. We should be looking hard for pressure points to get people to realize that they have an objective interest in resisting imperialism.
>>2602453>I'd say OreshniksYeah, I knew you weren't serious.
>>2602461I guess focusing on an option I dismissed myself is the right approach when you have no good excuses for why they can't receive the hypersonic anti-ship missiles.
>nooo, you can't arm Venezuela as the US arms Ukraine and Taiwan… that might cause WW3!
>you will be the adult in the room and turn the other cheek!
>>2602469No one is arming Venezuela and Iran got gigacucked by its wholesome third world 'allies'
>>2602474
They lift more than a finger, they lift rifles to kill thousands of Iranian, Iraqi and Lebanese workers. Not a single (1) US contractor doe (they sell them Iraqi oil fields instead)
>>2602429
>Israel = Jews
>>2602475
You're arguing against yourself, all to bootlick American capitalists.
Pathetic faggot
>>2602476Putin signed a non-military strategic agreement with Iran before it got hit. He's done the same with Venezuela. It gives him an open communication line that he uses to recommend 'strategic restraint' (i.e., do nothing meaningful) while he goes and gasses up Israel and laments that Trump didn't receive the Nobel.
China at least is honest in its apathy.
>>2602479Retarded zionist
>>2602482
If only Russia had a leader who behaved accordingly.
The US genocided native Americans because of zionism
I <3 my empire that can do no wrong
It's 10pm in DC. Has Trump dropped his brainworm speech yet?
>>2602474
Who's "we"? Since when do ultras talk like /pol/tarded subhumans?
>>2602489
Tbh I don't think Zionism is really relevant to this situation. Machado is just sucking up to Israel as a way to signal her subservience to the United States. I don't think the loss of an anti-Zionist government in Venezuela would make much of a difference for the struggle in Palestine. That's definitely a secondary concern behind asserting US power in their hemisphere and getting the oil.
>>2602499
None of that contradicts my point though. Obviously the PSUV has been hostile to Israel, and Machado would be friendly. I'm just saying that that's far from the main reason the Americans want Maduro out.
>>2602474
TRVKE.
China - mercantile interests, height of reading the room is occasionally warning the US against doing things that it does anyway to no ill effect (Pelosi Taiwan meme)… loses Panama deal after a single phone call… no strategic inroads it wants with Europe because Europe sides with hard power, not lickspittles don't respond to US aggression because they're afraid of muh WW3
Russia - literally glazing the US and pretending that it's not the primary agent in killing Russian citizens, that US intel and Starlink aren't a thing, that it's all just the belligerent EU over which the poor US has no control… Trump is le peacemaker who should've received the Nobel… muh Russia-US oligarch tunnel… Putin's envoy literally dropping flowers and chocolates with Putin quotes on American Congresspeople, amplifying Musk slop (see: Starlink) and posting Qanon dumps on Twitter…
>>2602499
I mean yes, Israel is a big anglo culture war point and kowtow-ing to Zionism is one of the ways to signal how good of a dog you are to the USA. And yes, Israel does both the barking at NATO enemies and pretends to command them for ZOG points. Importing the compatible parts of the anglo culture war con-validates their propaganda, meaning you don't need to duplicate the work.
And yes it will remain a farce when the next US president gives a BJ live on TV to their Israeli part.
>>2602499
You need to get big oil cock out of your mouth bro
>>2602502I don't think that the lack of unity among the emerging peripheral powers or their reluctance to confront aggressively confront the US really negates the main arguments for multipolarity or why its a positive development.
>>2602508All war but class war
>>2602508See
>>2572207 for the psychopath theory of multipolarity. In short: multipolarity doesn't work when you have a bunch of nice-guy cuck countries. You need at least one powerful psychopath country that is vehemently anti-American and that America fears.
>>2602510It's not eschewing class war to analyze geopolitical conflicts and determine which outcome is best for socialism.
>US is gearing up for yet another war
>""ultras"" start bitching enemies of Washington
Really makes you think.
Glenn Diesen covers this well. Deterrence has three components: capability, credibility, and communication. China and Russia have terrifying capabilities, but the US doesn't consider the threats credible, and their communication often is worse than the 'control' of saying nothing at all.
One example of poor communication: Putin saying that NATO troops deployed to Ukraine will be legitimate targets. It sounds tough, and it's true even, but it basically suggests strongly to NATO that the Russian response will be confined to Ukraine and that they needn't worry about any homeland attacks. Saying nothing at all would've been an improvement.
Another example: Putin saying that he thinks Zelensky will seek asylum in the West at the end of the war. It sounds confident in victory, but all it does is reassure Zelensky and his handlers that the Zelensky is in no danger of Russian strikes. Again, saying nothing would've been an improvement.
It's an age thing, I'm sure of it. Putin never would've made these mistakes two decades ago, and the Dubya-Cheney admin was 10x worse than the Biden and Trump admins combined.
>>2602529Look, trying to get US to back down in their own backyard is a shortcut to WW3, because succeeding means loudly announcing to the whole world American hegemony is over.
They're probably aware that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them. But I don't blame them for picking "later", or not going into territory where US has the advantage.
>>2602530That's right. It was Bush "staring into Putin's eyes," kissing Putin's ass, and walking ouyghshells back then. Russia was feared and respected, and Putin was sharp as a tack.
Docile Putin with his blood-pressure meds has turned Russia into something that little shit heels like Estonia dare provoke and that the UK and America can do target practice against without repercussions.
walking ouyghshells
uh, what a dumb fucking word filter
Elliott Abrams on the Venezuela Crisis
(Crossposting from USApol)
This is an interview with Elliott Abrams.
For those of you who don't know who he is:
The American left often describes Elliott Abrams as a key architect and lifelong operative of the military-industrial complex and US imperialist foreign policy. His career is a prime example of the "deep state" agencies within the US federal government that prioritize the interests of the defense industry and powerful corporations over human rights, diplomacy, and the well-being of working-class people both domestically and abroad
most interesting part of the video imo I've transcribed below
(around 19m:55s)
Interviewer:
>2 questions: what do you think is likely to happen and what do you think should happen?
Elliot Abrams:
<It is conceivable to me that in a month or 2 months the president says: "This is ridiculous, let's walk away from this," [then] declares victory on the grounds that maritime drug trafficking is way way down (and it is way way down — I think the administration said 92% down, of course it'll come back as soon as the fleet leaves…) but anyways he might declare victory and walk away.
<But I don't think he will do that because no one will be fooled*. This is a confrontation now between Maduro and Trump and if Maduro survives and Trump walks away, Trump has lost. And it's a big defeat and it's "our" hemisphere. And Trump chose to do this. He chose in a sense to create this crisis.
<So what is he likely to do? I think there are 2 options and we're seeing one of them already: A blockade of the export of their oil, and the goal there would be to eliminate that source of revenue for the regime. Already if you are the owner of a ship carrying sanctioned oil out of Vuvuzela or carrying some ingredient (they have very thick crude they use diluents to dilute it so it can for example move through pipelines) you're not going to do that now. You're going to try to wait this out.
<Oddly enough, and it is ironic, the only oil leaving Venezuela is that of Chevron which is an exception to the sanctions
(No fucking shit dumbass lmfao)
<But it's way down. Any oil they do manage to sell would be heavily discounted. The revenue to the regime is going to drop a lot. We're already doing that and I think we'll be doing it a good deal more.
<And for that you do need maybe not exactly this fleet, but you need significant forces around Vuvuzela and around the Carribean.
<The second step, which he could have taken first but obviously didn't, is to hit land parties in Vuvuzela to prove to Maduro and everyone that he is serious.
(he details all the targets)
>yada yada blah blah
<This is in good part a PSYOP meant to crack the regime. Meant to lead somebody in the military to rise up. Meant to lead Maduro to the conclusion that he should get out of there now. (The rumors around here are that his wife is already thinking that way)
(bitches never loyal smh)
<He may go down with the ship or he may leave tomorrow morning but the pressure is certainly building.
>>2602649for tldr and to boil down what Abrams thinks will happen:
1. Trump might just walk away and declare victory because it's too hard and annoying
2. 1 may actually not happen because "no one will be fooled" (I think that's a stupid point, hardly anyone is fooled by trump anymore yet he does whatever he wants anyways)
2 (cont): He can continue to blockade vuvuzela oil which reduces income for maduro regime
(he openly admits Chevron is an exception to this lmfao)
And maybe they'll strike land targets to prove they're serious
And this is all for the ultimate goal of demoralizing the current regime in hopes they coup Maduro.
I trust Abrams in his explanation for what the administration is actually thinking and what they're options are, but I am of course not convinced whatsoever that the pressure campaign to encourage a coup will work.
I think the vuvuzela shit will all be a waste of time, a war of attrition with no victor and ultimately simply something for the MIC to do because they're bored and because piracy makes money for corrupt members of the US military brass etc.
>>2602650at least the navy gets to practice blockading for the future war on china
China in retaliation could blockade taiwan and impede any kind of ship entering and leaving the island, in retaliation to the american blockade, this would cause a shitstorm that trump would either respond or fold enough
NEVER NEVER WAR
No war?
>>2602805lmao @ multipolaristas believing this fanfic will ever happen
Fellas, is Maduro a dictator or not? What is the Leftcom invariant position on this?
>>2603023What is Stalin? What is Mao?
Maduro status?
>>2602650>Trump might just walk away and declare victory because it's too hard and annoyinglol, if Maduro is still alive six months from now, I'll eat my hat.
>>2602805>China in retaliation lol, bless your heart, anon. Maduro should count himself lucky if the Chinese 'response' is offering a few words of support on the tail end of a speech about Chinese-Cambodian business projects.
>>2602911>lmao @ multipolaristas believing this fanfic will ever happenIt happens all the time here. Syria, Iran, now Venezuela. Lots of bravado about overtly aggressive responses to the US on the part of BRICS states, lots of smugness toward skeptics - then as reality sets in, a retreat into copes about strategic restraint and playing the long game or unfalsifiable claims about covert actions.
>>2602649Daily reminder that Maduro is getting
decapped. Any analysis that doesn't lead with that is flawed, if not suspect from a psyop perspective. The only room for debate is whether the chaos that follows will work out well for the US or not.
>>2603762?
No, they just seethe at China and/or Russia for not doing the thing.
I feel very frustrated because it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, either Maduro stays in power and continues his dictatorial regime, which isn't even one that serves the proles anymore. or the US invades and starts another middle east level conflict in our own neighborhood. All over the petrodollar, which is going to be nonexistant soon when oil runs out in the 2050s. I just, fuck dude. what can we possibly do?
>>2603801>which isn't even one that serves the proles anymoreIt does so far more than an American puppet would. Any problems that exist under Maduro would he multiplied and amplified under Machado or somebody like that. The first prerequisite for socialism and democracy is national sovereignty, at the moment the PSUV government is the only force that can preserve it.
>>2603825Calm down he probably meant a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie which it is.
>>2603834No, he fucking didn't. And who the fuck would damn the US for
not starting a war?
>>2603814That's one of the issues I'm feeling frustrated by, Even if we got rid of maduro we would just get more neoliberal bullshit instead of an acutal socialist or socdem state. The people themselves need to rise up if they want things to change.
>>2603825Look I'm sorry my tankie friend, but i am going to believe my Venezuelan gaming buddy over you going "Oh no! it's totally fine that maduro is using persecution, detention, torture and killings on his own people since it's for le socialism! (even though governments use the wrong labels all the time.)
>>2603834Yes, Exactly! They've been doing shit ICE has been up to recently for years!
>>2603837I meant the Venezuelan people would be dammed. But regardless we should try and find a way to stop the war from happening.
>>2603840>maduro is using persecution, detention, torture and killings on his own peopleGusanos aren't people, and he should do it more.
>>2603843Okay so we're just gonna dehumanize people now just like the imperialists do, great.
>>2603857>muh moral superiority, lmaoI am already morally superior to reactionaries. I am tired of them sucking my air, polluting my planet.
>>2603858I didn't even claim moral superiority to you dude, i just don't think dehumanizing people is gonna solve anything.
>>2603861It will solve reactionaries stealing oxygen.
>>2603814Also under Maduro the oil money wont be used to fund the genocide in Gaza, thinking he is even close to as bad as the other option is crazy.
>Southcom assigning the callsign 'GRINCH' to an E-3C sentry operating right outside Venezuelan waters
I'm thinking action by Christmas fellas
>>2603898Oh of course, i'd rather the us not get involved at all tbh
>>2603840>Even if we got rid of maduro we would just get more neoliberal bullshit instead of an acutal socialist or socdem state. Even if that's true, all you're saying is that the struggle for socialism continues even after the threat of regime change has passed. However losing the struggle against imperialism automatically means losing the struggle for socialism. It is the primary contradiction insofar as success in the socialist struggle is contingent upon success in the anti-imperialist struggle.
>>2603972>>2603972>losing the struggle against imperialism automatically means losing the struggle for socialism. No it doesn't, Castro took control of Cuba while it was under US imperialism and not with a heckin wholesome independent nat bourgeoisie on top. If anything having the capitalists continually making communists orgs their bitches in popular front against evil is detrimental to the revolutionary process.
Chinese Embassy in US
@ChineseEmbinUS
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🔴 The #US blatantly announced its plan to sell massive advanced weapons to #China’s #Taiwan region. This move grossly violates the #OneChinaPrinciple and the three China-U.S. joint communiqués, infringes on China’s sovereignty, security and territorial integrity, undermines peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait, and sends a gravely wrong signal to “Taiwan independence” separatist forces.
🔴 #China firmly opposes and strongly condemns it. The Taiwan question is at the core of China’s core interests, and is the first red line that must not be crossed in China-U.S. relations. No one shall underestimate the firm will and strong capability of the Chinese government and the Chinese people in safeguarding national sovereignty and territorial integrity.
US doesn't seem all that concerned about China giving advanced weapons to Venezuela lol
Remember, military capability is not political/psychological credibility. Great Cuck Theory has high explanatory power. Credibility = mindset.
Of course the Oreshnik doesn't exist. Putin has given half a dozen contradictory timestamps on when serial production began / will begin, and Lukashenko keeps rolling out 'yesterday' deliveries of the Oreshnik in Belarus, apparently forgetting he's already done it.
It's possible that neither the RS-28 Sarmat delivery ICBM nor the Avangard glide vehicle actually exist, either. You don't act the way Putin does when you're actually leading in strategic weaponry (among many other behaviors, crying to the US to renew strategic treaties for another year).
The only thing I'm willing to believe is that Russia has a few thousand USSR nukes in uncertain condition.
>>2603980>No it doesn't, Castro took control of Cuba while it was under US imperialism and not with a heckin wholesome independent nat bourgeoisie on top.That doesn't disprove what I'm saying. You can advance the two simultaneously, but the socialist cause cannot progress if the anti-imperialist cause does not. Socialism is contingent upon national sovereignty.
>If anything having the capitalists continually making communists orgs their bitches in popular front against evil is detrimental to the revolutionary process.I'd consider the PSUV a worker's party in the vein of old school social democrats, which makes it a united front rather than a popular front. It's true that popular fronts have never produced socialism, but united fronts have (the GDR, PRC, and DPRK were united front governments).
>>2604167*the lumpen’s in my country
>>2604171
I try not to act too high and mighty when the kids here in their teens and early 20s worship a bunch of weakies, because I was that same kid at one point. You just have to be patient and give the world time to push their shit in and defy their sophomoric expectations of reality. Give it a decade or two, and they finally realize that weakness doesn't work.
>>2603852Hey that's the guy who genocided the Bolsheviks, nice mustache.
>>2603852Hey that's the guy who saved slavs from unlimited genocide by the Nazis and built the most important achievement in counter-hegemonic politics of the 20th century, nice mustache.
>>2604138Multipolarity but with deferring-to-American-unipolarity characteristics.
>>2604167I'm sure if there are boots on the ground there will be mass protest, there already is a few protests going on around sporadically.
>>2604209They don't need boots on the ground.
They can just sit out their blockade. The pressure will become too much for Maduro. They can even increase the pressure by killing the power grid. Unlike Cucktin, the Yanks won't spend months trying and failing to destroy the power grid. It's one of the things they do best.
>>2604235>They can just sit out their blockade.<Venezuela navy escorting tankers throughthere is no blockade. maduro called the bluff. the terrorists will have to decide if they want to enforce one and attack the VZ navy, at which point it will all escalate. no sitting back allowed.
>>2604258The US doesn't care about escalation with Venezuela, because Venezuela has an incomparably inferior military and unfortunately doesn't have the military backing of China and/or Russia. Maduro won't even be alive in six months.
>>2604258What navy? Do you, at least check with Wikipedia first?
>>2604262They have a 'navy', but no doubt people with a straight face will say that the Yanks ought to be terrified of it. Something about Houthis and all those missile attacks that didn't do anything but down a Reaper drone or two.
The navy escort is a Cucktin suggestion after his success with navy escorts against the provocations of the global superpower Estonia. I have no doubt about it, and I have no doubt he considers it a checkmate.
This Venezuela shit is such an injustice that, if nothing else, it's a good chance to learn whether one's world view is guided by how things actually are or how one wishes things were. Cuz, you know, sometimes awful people win.
the VZ navy has escorted tankers through the "blockade" and they haven't been shot at, yet. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The terrorists will have to decide if they want the escalation.
Cucktin-posters always confindently predict the (doomful) future. At least half the time they're wrong, but there's never accountability. That's why it's so easy. If the doom doesn't happen, people are happy and not looking to assign blame and hold anyone accountable for being wrong. You being wrong gets forgotten. But if the doom does happen then you're a genius and sharp-minded realist who knows stuff.
Cucktinposting is a no-risk pastime.
>>2604275Nice headcanon. It's you guys who disappear when your tales about B-2 shootdowns, mega Iranian retaliations, etc., don't pan out. And it's you guys who'll hide behind your anonymity or disappear when Drumpf doesn't one give one shit about the VZ navy. Heck, you've already started hedging.
Why would anyone think the guy who assassinated Soleimani in his first term, who launched strikes against Iran in his second term, who gives Ukraine intel to hit Russian assets, who (likely illegally) attacks Venezuelan civilian boats is going to give one shit about some lil military escort?
Must be retard hour.
>>2604283I guess i disappeared due to grief over the Bakmut flanks falling, the 2023 Counteroffensive cutting the landbridge, Transnistria falling, Kursk and its NPP becoming Ukrainian, NATO armies entering Ukraine in 2024, Iran falling to the overwhelming US-Israel blitzkrieg six months ago, etc etc etc, just as the Cucktinposters predicted.
>>2604297They're really falling for the ground troops meme, eh? Donny struck gold with his blockade idea. This is what China would do to Taiwan, and it's what Russia should've done to Ukraine, but having a grain deal with the 'Western partners' was more important. One thing's for sure: Donny ain't going for some weak-ass ground attrition war. Donny gonna blockade, strat bomb the power completely if necessary, and
decap.
>>2604298>just make up predictions and assign them for funsiescoool…
Russia is still in Donbass after four years. Stalin defeated Germany in four years and stormed Berlin. If Cucktin were confident he could achieve his de-Nazification goal (which means removing the Zelensky regime), he wouldn't be sitting there kissing Trump's ass, lamenting that Trump didn't receive a Nobel. He wouldn't be sending Kirill to flatter the country killing his people.
Reminder that Best Korea cleared Kursk, something Russia denied for months. Best Korea doesn't mess around.
>>2604292Remind me what kind of government he installed in Iran after he won and didn't instead back down and slink away.
>>2604301>but he's not winning fast enough!!!never change (you won't)
>>2604304 (me)
What I mean is that Best Korea doesn't have the Christcuck cheek-turning mentality that made Cucktin leave Kiev as a "gesture of goodwill," open up humanitarian corridors in Mariupol and give permission for Azov commanders to flee to Turkey (only for them to return lol), let Ukraine profit off grain shipments, keep sending gas/oil to countries trying to murder his economy and people, unilaterally keep adhering to an energy ceasefire even after Ukraine violates it, etc., etc.
Best Korea. Gives. Zero. Fucks.
>>2604305There's no sign he's going to achieve his de-Nazification goal at all. The Nazi leadership prances around the globe mocking him. The Nazis in Kiev and Lvov have at worst suffered a few blackouts between their concerts. The only people inconvenienced are ethnic Russians in Russian-heavy areas.
>>2604267>None of the vessels that left with the Venezuelan navy were on the US sanctions list — at least for now.It might just be scouting. But a confrontation
is coming. Even if it needs to go through theater of who is the aggressor, first.
>>2604312Trump knows Americans don't give a fuck about casus belli. He openly states he wants that oil but is happy to make Rubio happy by occasionally indulging the narco-terrorist shit.
Wait… hold on, so this navy escort thing wasn't even for vessels on the target list?
L.
M.
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100% convinced it's Cucktin's suggestion now.
>>2604305That's irrelevant to what you're replying to. Installing a US-friendly government in Iran takes much more work than Trump's attention span can handle. It doesn't take any work at all for Trump to okay striking a navy escort. It comes down to his simple spur-of-the-moment willingness, and his prior actions show he has that willingness.
Doubters BTFO.
We are already seeing the FRUITS of this strategic partnership.
1. A navy escort for vessels the US isn't targeting. It's to "show" force without really showing force. Expert Putinologists recognize his trembling hand in this.
2.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/international/putin-warns-trump-of-fatal-mistake-china-breaks-silence-as-us-venezuela-blockade-escalates/videoshow/126060009.cms>Moscow is warning of a dangerous escalation, urging restraint across Latin America and cautioning Washington against what it calls a potential “fatal mistake.”>>2604319>WE DECLARE A TOTAL BLOCKADE!!1!**(unless you use a different ship)
>>2604325It's not like they wrote their sanctions list to include everything except vessels being escorted. The sequence of events is that Venezuela looked at the sanctions list and then used military escorts for vessels that aren't on it. Calling the bluff would mean using military escorts for vessels that ARE on the list - if those vessels suddenly stop being used, then obviously the blockade against them has worked, and the question becomes whether the US wants to expand its list.
>urging restraint across Latin America Herrreeeee we go. See
>>2602480:
Putin signed a non-military strategic agreement with Iran before it got hit. He's done the same with Venezuela. It gives him an open communication line that he uses to recommend 'strategic restraint' (i.e., do nothing meaningful) while he goes and gasses up Israel and laments that Trump didn't receive the Nobel.
>>2603915i thought anon was serious
>>2602327>cucktinposters have found the venezuela threadI started thinking of Putin as being annoyingly timid (a cuck, if you like) this year. I don't quite remember what the final straw was, but a lot of folks in alt media like the Duran bros, Glenn Diesen, Helmer, Doctorow, Jim Jatras, Levan, etc., began losing their patience around the same time.
I like the regs in /ukr/, tho, so I usually post my peeves elsewhere.
>>2604292>assassinated SoleimaniIran was content with a strong worded letter response and notifying the US about nothing burger strike
I wonder how much Qatar dick Iran took to pay for its symbolic attack there
WAR? NO!
>>2603899Trump and his gooners later be claiming to be christian smh.
>>2604451After a long time I agree with you Comrade Bloodgasm.
Also, 'cant wait to fuck military wives' = wishing death on the Venezuelan people. The worms deflect this by saying 'the venezuelans will kill the american soldier anyway'. Do not be fooled, comrades. No war means no war. Do not let your cock's impulsiveness burn Venezuela.
>>2604451I share the sentiment, but it's not like Venezuela needs a war to lose. Eventually, if the USA is left unchecked, the economic and glowie warfare will have the gusanos obtaining too big a share of government and then it's over.
>>2604451The best outcome is for the US government to gormlessly cower and run away humiliated
>>2604507>Also, 'cant wait to fuck military wives' = wishing death on the Venezuelan people.lmao this is the most pathetic thing ive ever read
>>2604451war between bourgeoise states is inevitable so this is literally just virtue signaling
i think it is possible that trump and pete hegseth are deliberately baiting announcements of war in order to confuse the venezuelan military and hoping to catch them off guard.
>>2604947 (me)
i mean, i think that is what
they think they're doing. they think they're so smart
>>2604947It's a good startegy. Russia did it with Ukraine. But that was on land tho.
>>2604909>>2604464>>2604507Are you casting a spell? What the fuck is this?
>>2605110Oh, you're just shitposting with Maduro quotes. Mildly relieving.
>>2604548Col. Macgregor is the same dude who has reported 2,378 glove removals of Putin that didn't happen.
Nobody has offered a good counterargument to why Trump can't simply keep the blockade going (and optionally kill the power grid) to turn Venezuela into a failed state. It's literally the plan that multipolaristas applauded for China vs. Taiwan. All I've seen is some take suggesting that Trump won't want to escalate by targeting navy escorts. Uh huh.
>>2605146The trvth is that there's no counterargument. If the US wants the oil they're gonna have it, the only question is how retarded they want to go about it but apart from bored anons with big imaginations, even midwit laymen know for a fact a good ol' blockade with the occasional airstrike on infraestructure is all that's needed.
>>2605236On the other hand, Trump is unpopular, and midterms
are coming. Playing the waiting game is not in the cards.
>>2605242Why does he have to fear the midterms, tho? The Dems will likely win and still won't be able to stop him - at best, a third impeachment that goes nowhere because the Repubs refuse to remove.
>>2605255Politics is a continuous process, but there are deadlines. In the case of Roman Republic clones, entirely arbitrary and self-imposed. And this is less about American bourgeois leadership, and more about Trump's own base, power, and ego.
I'm not dumb enough to reliably get in his head, but continuous sniping at Democrats means he is, at least, worried about it. And those dumb, self-imposed, deadlines are liable to affect his decision making.
Over the last 48 hrs, Beijing and Moscow have ramped up their warnings about Venezuela. I don't know why they bother, tbh. The US understands perfectly well that Xi and Putin don't have the appetite for a clash with the US on any front. Xi's economic moves against the US this year have been reactive, tentative, and short-lived. As for Putin, lmao, one look at Kirill Dmitriev shows where his head is at.
>>2605266The only wildcard I see is whether the Dems are willing to pay for his shit. But they'll probably do what they did with Bush - give him everything he wants where it matters - and give the public useless rhetoric. The only difference is that, unlike with Bush, they're actually willing to impeach Trump for the pointless theater.
>>2605295Trump surrounds himself with toadies way too often for me to consider that he treats the Democrat opposition for the theater that it is.
>>2605277Russia can't spare much of anything, they are broke and have their hands full against Ukraine. China has the means to make it a Vietnam but the fall of Venezuela is a cost they can bear while the risk of an uncontrollable escalation leading toward a break down of US/China and maybe world trade is not an economic prospect they want to entertain. Regardless it's always their own nation first and the workers of the world last with those "anti imperialist" superpowers which enables the west to continually mog everyone.
>>2605327>their own nation first and the workers of the world last1.4 billion people, by the way.
>We are not concerned about an escalation with Russia with regards to Venezuela - Rubio
Heh.
>>2605327Agreed, multipolarites will keep getting mogged as long as the US is the only actor willing to take risks without worrying about WW3 doomsday hysteria.
>>2605340>"6/7 workers of the world, sit on your ass and wait to be saved"Don't quote slogans you don't understand.
What is Venezuela getting from its recent strategic agreement with Russia other than advice from Putin to show restraint (do nothing)?
>>2605344>the US is the only actor willing to take risks without worrying about WW3 doomsday hysteria.which is why they continued escalating until Iran was overthrown, instead of backing down, and why their troops and planes are marching/flying through Ukraine right now "calling Putin's bluff" instead of begging for a ceasefire.
>>2605347So you are saying that it's the fault of the slaves if they are oppressed and that it's not the responsibility of the free men owning nukes to help them. You are a bad person.
>>2605357You just got baited into demolishing the argument that Xi and Putin need to worry about WW3. Nah, they're just wimps. The US will back down in the face of
credible force.
>>2605357Those things dont contradict what that anon said, they are indeed the only ones risking to do bold shit even if its irrational and they end up backing down in some cases.
>>2605365People like
>>2605357 want to be able to have their cake and eat it too. On the one hand, the US is a coward walking away with its tail between its legs. On the other hand, Cucktin can't respond to the US and UK launching missiles on pre-2022 Russian soil and conducting terrorist attacks on civilian assets because the US and UK want WW3.
>>2605363Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Kick sand, pound rocks. Organize and do a revolution any time.
>>2605347One possibility that we need to grapple with is that in many cases (perhaps even most) socialist revolution may not be possible without outside assistance. How many successful 20th century revolutions would have failed without Soviet and/or Chinese assistance? Strictly speaking, Russia is the only country in history that was able to wage and consolidate a communist revolution without any outside help. Even Cuba would have been toppled by a US invasion in 1962 without Soviet intervention.
>>2605370Oh, don't worry about that part. The nukes (that the West will launch first) have you covered.
>>2605364All sides have to worry about WW3. The fact that all sides (including the US) back down sometimes doesn't mean they will at all times.
>>2605367I'm just not a simple-minded caveman like Cucktinposters, whose stategic thinking extends to "Hulk smash!". It isn't a simple binary. All sides will back down in some situations but also might escalate in other situations. You have to manage that. The caveman brains of the Cucktinposters are too stupid to think more than one or two moves ahead. They would have lost the war in Ukraine by 2023 after expending all of Russia's missiles and absurdly overextending their forces.
>>2605380>All sides have to worry about WW3. The fact that all sides (including the US) back down sometimes doesn't mean they will at all times.Ah, now suddenly we have to be nuanced, and now suddenly some exceptions to generalizations are okay. Fact is that Xi's China and Putin's Russia have never reciprocated against the US's military moves. It's only the US making moves.
>They would have lost the war in Ukraine by 2023 after expending all of Russia's missiles and absurdly overextending their forces.Putin bootlickers are so deranged that they think being bogged down in the Donbass for four years across the damn border is peak performance. They have to repress everything Stalin and Zhukov accomplished did in the same amount of time to Nazi Germany at a time when logistics were more difficult and Germany had home-court advantage.
>>2605380Cucktinposters are trolling the Russian chauvinists and their ridiculous antics, they're not doing theory of nuclear policy. In any case the Ukraine gambit was militarily lost by Russia and that's just pathetic from what was supposed to be the second best military in the world. It just shows the incompetence of the ruling class of Russia who really doesn't care about the workers past the value they can produce for them and hence why they are narrow minded in a strategic sense and very frisky about doing "too much". They have this geopolitical understanding of the world that is bourgeois idealist drivel, made them sufficiently risk adverse to avoid victory but put them in a grind that resulted in one million casualties for them so far for a laughably small piece of land and no end in sight.
So yeah Russia will have zero impact on the Venezuela war, if anything they probably want it to happen so the US can get distracted from Ukraine and the oil price can rise. And the other "anti imperialist" countries will do nothing of substance because making money is more important, and like tankieflag said, the venezuelans should just get off their asses and do something instead of waiting for China to help them against the biggest military superpower that ever existed.
Stalin and Zhukov had Marxist-atheist energy. When you regress into the Christcuck mindset of Nicholas II, a regression we see with Putin, of course you get…
>>2604307>the Christcuck cheek-turning mentality that made Cucktin leave Kiev as a "gesture of goodwill," open up humanitarian corridors in Mariupol and give permission for Azov commanders to flee to Turkey (only for them to return lol), let Ukraine profit off grain shipments, keep sending gas/oil to countries trying to murder his economy and people, unilaterally keep adhering to an energy ceasefire even after Ukraine violates it, etc., etc. >>2605397Ah yes, the merely pretending to be retarded excuse.
>>2605397tbf, they'll get their Crimea-esque land grab in Donbass eventually while continuing to lose strategically globally. Kazakhstan is the latest after Belarus started entering diplomatic deals with America, releasing prisoners, etc., which in turn happened after Syria, Serbia, Armenia…
The Russian 'hardliners' have been chimping out about Kazakhstan in recent days, but of course they don't place the blame where it belongs.
Maduro is a Christcuck too, eh? Grim.
>>2605406Maduro is shrewd, I wouldn't bet on him believing on anything other than himself. The mistake was made in Chavez years when the PSUV decided to make "Christianity" a component of their constitution just next to "scientific socialism" while lining up a bunch of great (bourgeois) men and a bunch of weird stuff.
Here's the article
<The party is constituted as a socialist party, and affirms that a socialist society is the only alternative to overcome the capitalist system. It assumes as ideological sources the thoughts and works of Simón Bolívar, Simón Rodríguez and Ezequiel Zamora. The party values in the same way the principles of scientific socialism, Christianity, liberation theology, all critical and humanist universal thought, gender equity and equality, and the ethical obligation to build a [political] model respectful of life and mother Earth that guarantees human survival.
<As a multiethnic and diverse party, it nurtures its roots of Afro-Indianism bequeathed by Guaicaipuro and José Leonardo Chirino, all inspired by the fundamental leadership and revolutionary ideas of Commander Hugo Chávez, aimed at creating the new man and woman in a melting pot of hopes and dreams that make our socialism a mestizo socialism, loaded with Africanity, the elements of the indigenous peoples, and with the international vision that has had Francisco de Miranda as its greatest proponent.
<We assume the principle of civic-military unity to guarantee the defense of national and popular sovereignty. >behave weakly in Ukraine, let the Nazi leadership run amok, and ignore all burger/bong attacks because "they don't change the situation on the battlefield in the middling Donbass"
>burgers pick off your global allies one by one
>surprised Pikachu face
>>2605409Ironic/manipulative Christianity is solid. That's the American play. You just don't want to be an unironic Christian like the Kremlin geriatrics.
>>2605327>>2605328>Chinese worKKKers have it too good they only wage slave for 996 to produce unlimited commodities kys timmy
>>2605413I have to disagree, in general rule public religion must be crushed in socialism or anarchism as a priority. At the bare minimum I'd expect something like the French laicism where religion is excluded from all state matters while the state is progressively taking control of most things and all land property. The sooner this idealist drivel and those ancient power structures can go away the sooner people can be free from their spiritual shackles.
>>2605447I'd rather kill you, KKE revisionist.
>>2605448Sorry, I should've made it clear that I was the same poster talking about the
war impact of Christcuck energy (Nicholas II, Putin) vs. Marxist-atheist energy (Stalin). Pretend Christianity is solid for a war effort because it's not going to result in cucked decision-making.
If we're talking general ideology, of course I don't want the state manipulating its citizens with religion, sincerely or otherwise.
>>2605520Fucking kek if true. China's "assistance" to Venezuela is after the Russia-Ukraine model, eh? They "assist" by buying heavily discounted commodities.
>>2605531what should china do instead?
>>2605352anti-air missiles. other mil stuff we are not privy to.
>>2605520I can find sources mentioning VLCC tankers with destination China, but I can't find any sources mentioning that the tankers belong to China.
Am I missing something, or is Megatron_ron being dumb/disingenuous again?
>>2605520>Megatron Ron posting from the forum previously known as StormfrontI believe it.
>>2605533Anti-ship hypersonic missiles.
>>2605534>anti-air missiles. other mil stuff we are not privy to.This is what we were told about Iran.
>>2605539so china should initiate a war between two nuclear powers?
>>2605545Iran won and the US stood down btw
>>2605531Venezuelan oil is like 2% of China's overall supply, they don't need it while it's a crucial economic lifeline for Venezeula. China has also invested tens of billions in infrastracuture projects in Venezeula like roads, railways, housing, power generaton, etc. What are you doing?
>>2605548US is supplying Taiwan with weapons. Why can't China supply Venezuela?
>>2605555he's posting on the internet just like the rest of us
>>2605520Comrade Xi, I kneel.
>>2605548The U.S sending endless weapons and redditors to the Ukraine didn’t start a nuclear war. You supply proxies precisely to avoid direct conflict and give an air of plausible deniability. Not that the plausible deniability part will matter as the U.S going to say the Chinese are supplying Venezuela regardless if it’s happening are not.
>>2605549Maybe lead with that and say that the US could back down in Venezuela instead of pretending that Russia is going to supply shit.
>>2605560>>2605557they literally already do, dumbass
>>2605555They might get more than 2% at the discounted rates they'll be getting it in 'solidarity' with Venezuela lmao. Again, see Russia-Ukraine model.
>>2605555it's important for China/Russia to help Venezuela. Neither need VZ per se, but if the US takes it over that will only be the beginning until they have established an exclusionary dictatorship over all of the Western hemisphere where even trade with China is prohibited altogether (and while insisting that China must stop trying to be aggressive in Asia).
Defending an independent Venezuela and hindering the US's evil schemes in the region are beneficial to them in the big picture.
So they will take some risk to break the blockade and keep VZ going, but there is of course a limit to the risk they'll take, just as there's a limit for the US.
>>2605566>>2605564Fair enough that anon was arguing china shouldn’t but if they are I concede
>>2605571Also handing the US a defeat in its own backyard would be a major humiliation and signal to the world that the era of American dominance is truly over.
>>2605564I'm so sick of people who can't follow a thread of conversation (and we're supposed to believe they can read a word of theory?). Show me where Venezuela has received anti-ship hypersonic missiles.
>>2605572You do understand that conceding to an argument on leftypol, instead of digging your heels in further and taking an unfalsifiable leftcom position, is punishable by death.
>>2605566>they literally already do, dumbassSee
>>2605576 >>2605557Venezuala does buy military weapons from China. But it's advance Russian combat systems that form the backbone of Venezuel's military (Su-30MK2, S-300VM, anti-ship missiles etc) as a result of historical partnership and Russia's decades of experience producing advanced weapons (that's also been battlefield tested), where China is just starting to catch up in some areas of tech now. Since they're trained on Russian systems, adopting Chinese advanced systems would require new training, support, and logistics, etc which is expensive and risky.
>>2605577Right sorry didn’t mean to throw off the vibes. Umm something something TWisters, eat all treatlerites, cucktin, Chinese century, CPUSanon is actually Plantner, Nick Fuentes is anti imperialist.
>>2605581>>2605576now that's more like it. I was worried we'd have a normal conversation instead of a pedantic argument over very specific issues that don't really matter in the big picture, as a way to prove that le china is imperialist. Thank you for upholding true leftypol thought comrade
>>2605575US will launch every single nuke they have before that happens.
>>2605587>as a way to prove that le china is imperialist.Yikes. This reading comprehension is truly a marvel. Nobody has any good reasons that China/Russia can't give Venezuela anti-ship hypersonics, apparently.
>>2605588not really. It's in the best interest of capital
not to have a pointless nuclear war. If the USA is humiliated, that doesn't really mean much for global capital
>>2605590USA
is the global capital.
>>2605589I concede. If china truly and officially refuses to specifically give Venezuela anti-ship hypersonics, then will critically support the radical left wing of the CPC in their pursuit of revolutionary-defeatism of the chinese state apparatus
>>2605592The EU is a larger economy.
>>2605594I don't think the PCV is advocating revolutionary defeatism in the face of the current US aggression.
>>2605595Not for much longer it isn't. Come back when Petroeuro is a thing.
Why doesn't Russia and China just give Venezeula nukes?
>>2605586>CPUSanon is actually Plantnertruke
>>2605601the entirety of south america had this whole pact where they agreed not to have nuclear weapons. I personally think it was not the best idea lmao but I can understand why they did it.
This treaty supersedes any of those efforts and would be politically untenable to redact etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tlatelolco >>2605594Holy fuck, sperg, just send over the anti-ship hypersonics because they'd help Ven much more than a bunch of bullets. Nobody cares about all that "China is or isn't a purist" bullshit.
>>2605603>redactwrong word here, probably better would be "repeal" or "rescind" but you get the point
>>2605607whether they have those missiles or not doesn't mean shit when the complex geopolitics surrounding this whole thing would make them essentially useless. Venezuela could open fire right now with what they have and still hold up a pretty decent fight, but that doesn't solve the main problem with all of this: sanctions and blockade.
Brute force isn't the central tool to defeat or even defend against this kind of coercive campaign. Honestly I have no clue if it's possible for something like this to have a silver bullet at all
>>2605613See, questioning their pragmatic effectiveness is fair game. You could've done that from the start instead of going into la-la land thinking I was calling China imperialist or questioning the test-tube purity of whatever political faction you're obsessed with.
>>2605607Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.
American sense of smug superiority extends farther than their pseudo-leftists adopting pseudo-ultra positions.
When the US shoved missiles in USSR's face, that was fine. When USSR did the same to the US, it was a crisis that nearly started WW3, because Americans are reactionaries, and reactionaries are fundamentally cowards, and crinkle in their diapies.
The West can supply what it wants to whoever it wants, but doing the same to them will open a dam of tears. And that genie is not going back in the bottle. Now, you and I may only have one wish to make, but that doesn't mean others do.
>>2605620It's not possible to have multipolarity by indulging such self-serving US rules. At a certain point - not necessarily
right now - those rules must be shit on, otherwise the multipolarity project will remain a historical curiosity.
>>2605622Yes. Now or later. And they can choose "later". I don't judge them for it.
Why doesn't Maduro announce that a foreign ally has given him a trove of Epstein documents pilfered from the US? Literally just make them up. Trump is so damaged even among his base that at least 80% of America will believe it.
>>2605794because trumps approval doesn't matter.
>>2605794Venezuela would just get invaded extra hard
>>2605592>USA is the global capital.So this is the power of multipolaroid theory?
>>2605589Yes because the American Navy stationed just right by Venezuela will allow Chinese and Russian hypersonics to just enter the country(?????)
>>2606209Even if you're dumb enough to think the yanks will shoot down russian or chinese boats, planes exist you fucking spaz.
Feels like you're only here to be an argumentative little shit, tbqh. grow up.
>>2605603>>2605604the cold war coups against lat am started in 1953 and the monroe doctrine was in place long before that, so they were already cucked by the time this treaty was signed. how many latin american leaders could really be called sovereign in 1967.
>>2605531capitalism is a global economic system of incentive structures and commodity flows that behaves independently of the willpower of individual people, leaders, nations, and parties. I keep insisting on this because it is the historical materialist outlook, but some aren't having it. They really believe that minus America, NATO, 5 eyes, capitalism won't continue to exist. Not sure what their reasoning is behind that. Capitalism is a mode of production, not a a language or a flag. If the existing hegemony collapses, which will move history forward a little bit, it does not guarantee the end of hegemony in general, just a shift in the existing balance of power, balance of trade, etc. A superstructural shift.
>>2606451>They really believe that minus America, NATO, 5 eyes, capitalism won't continue to exist.no one says this
>>2606186Israel has nukes and flaunts the fact at every opportunity.
Yet it does not have to abide by any regulation. And bringing them the nukes up is practically a faux pas in diplomacy. The Zionists can only wish their colonial antics some day reach the level of censorship that goes around their nukes.
>>2606630 (me)
So just give Venezuela nukes, make a very loud, very potent nuclear test. The sort that leaves no doubt the good stuff was being tested and it registers half the world away.
And when the USAnos ask, just turn around flamboyantly offended and wink to camera.
>"Nono we don't have nukes… do we?">"Wanna find out? tee hee!">"Oh silly me dropping, this totally leaked report that obliquely hints at MAD." >>2606459shit… its fucking over, isnt it
>>2606663the international rules based order, where the US makes the rules, and orders everyone around
>>2606209Assuming you're correct that China and Russia are totally helpless (you're not, but I'll entertain you), all you're saying is that China and Russia didn't act soon enough. Not sure how that's any kind of excuse.
>>2606234Heh, retards here be like
<when Chinese and Russian planes are detected on Flight Radar heading toward Venezuela>omg, based BRICS helping Venezuela - they're, like, totally delivering military superweapons<when it becomes obvious China/Russia aren't going to lift a finger>how were they supposed to deliver advanced weapons?!?!?!?!?!?! Everyone know what time it is? It's time for your nothing-ever-happens-against-the-hegemon reminder!
<Maduro decap
<Russian/Chinese words of support
<Cucktin using his new strategic-agreement line with Venezuela to counsel le epic restraint chess
<harsh words at the UN from Global South countries, none of whom will actually cut ties with the US, despite the copium smoked by some Cucktin apologists on what the Global South values about his cuckoldry
<Iran-style social media blitz and then retaliation against empty barracks, prioritizing fireworks displays over targets
<fizzle
You know 15-20 years from now Hollywood is gonna be releasing lots of movies about how traumatised poor American soldiers were killing Venezuelan civilians, same as with Vietnam and Iraq etc.
I say this half jokingly, but maybe this coming war won't only be about regime change and seizing oil, but also saving the American film industry…
Reminder that "not invading" passed as a positive is just as much giving cover to USA imperialism as the Democrats hand-wringing about congress approval. It's just moving the goalposts of what the base is allowed to be outraged about, past whatever the ruling class is currently doing.
No different from left-liberals conceding on Saddam Gaddafi Assange Maduro Bad propaganda.
the terrorists seized a Chinese-owned tanker today
>>2606825
shadow fleets arent real it just means they get insurance somewhere not london or new york
>>2607000>saving the American film industry…american war films don't make that much at the box office though. marveslop does.
>>2605520this didn't age well
Reminder that Zohran gave his explicit approval for the invasion of Venezuela by calling Maduro a 'dictator'.
>>2607496Nobody cares about your mayoral candidates, back to your containment thread, burger.
>>2607489Russia has behaved timidly toward the US ("it's just Europe, America is our potential business partner! praise Trump, he should've received the Nobel!"). China showed this year that it has no appetite to behave asymmetrically and ruthlessly toward America on the economic front, much less the military front. These were neon-lit signals to the US that it could do what it wants in Venezuela.
China should've halted rare-earth exports indefinitely instead of relenting. Or at least "We'll be resuming exports no sooner than the next US administration - we'll see how it behaves toward China." That's how you speak the US geopolitical language. Instead, now it's out there expressing limp concerns about Venezuela and dropping 'warnings' to the US upon discovering that advanced weapons are about to be sent to Taiwan.
>>2604258Great plan that was. Use
unsanctioned vessels and
very short VZ navy escorts to send a Cucktin-esque weakie signal. America just treats them like sanctioned vessels anyway and intercepts. Ho ho ho.
>>2605520Updates? ho ho ho
How do we make BRICS states behave as decisively as the burgers?
>>2608420The important part is to rig all oil infrastructure to blow, and deny it to the Americans.
>>2608420>The US is about to Any day now! :-P
Meanwhile, blockade holds. Pool's closed. Strat bombing to kill the grid a possibility.
Putin, Maduro's new strategic advisor, miscalculated. He thought the US would opt for his slow attrition nonsense and enter a Ukraine-style quagmire. Those guns are completely irrelevant.
>>2604275Is there going to be accountability for this post? Turns out, the VZ navy didn't accomplish shit and didn't have to be shot at.
looking like the anti-ship missiles would've done more for ven than boxes of bullets, after all… who'da known?
>>2608479It's kinda like burning your life savings so some scammer can't steal it. You end up suffering more. The scammer sighs and returns to business as usual elsewhere.
>>2608529This isn't scamming, this is armed robbery.
>>2608367Many reasons for that - China is still interlinked with usa as manufacturer, resource provider, tech dependant in certain areas (they still lags in UV lithography for ex) and most importantly - china still holds too many us treasurys, while cutting them as fast as possible. Also, military rebuilding program isnt complete yet, especially on sea component, so they cant afford to project their power that far from taiwan, which is way higher in priority issue for china anyway. I mean there could be a hard divorse between US and China, like between Russia and Europe, but CPC wants it as smooth as possible, while ramping up industrial capabilities.
Countries implicitly validate the US as a worthy world leader whenever they trot on over to visit the UN HQ. The UN HQ should be moved elsewhere. Find some island somewhere.
>>2609016>Still no response from the PRC.at best they'll do a china's final warning
>>2609030yeah. a deployment halfway around the world against the worlds most powerful navy is just not possible for them. they're gonna abandon Venezuela.
>>2609043Or they could blitz Taiwan and Ryukyu
Ukraine popped another Russian general in Moscow with a car bomb. Cucktin will do nothing again - not even kill Budanov. The docile geriatric doesn't seem to appreciate how signals like these have emboldened the Americans into thinking they can take out Maduro without any Russian response.
I expect Venezuela will stop sending out tankers sanctioned by the USA. Or advising them not to leave. Then the USA will start seizing non USA sanctioned tankers.
>>2604548I feel like Macgregor and Scott Ritter are two faces of the same attention whoring coin.
<BRICS News
<@BRICSinfo
>JUST IN: 🇨🇳🇺🇸 China says US seizure of oil tanker ships are a 'serious violation' of international law.
lol
>>2609727oh boy. it's over. i think the yanks will begin they bombardment on christmas. seems like a trump thing to do.
>>2609654there needs to be more critique of the same old multipolarists geopolitics analysts. people are rightly skeptical of the mainstream media but don't apply the same. i remember ritter after oct 7 saying that hamas was breaking out to create a bridghead into israel so they could link up to the west bank and even for someone like me that was lauhgable
>>2615088It's literally a grift for this lot, chat shit, do the podcast circuit, etc etc.
I remember when rotter was trying to hawk 'challenge coins', lmao.
>>2615088>>2615091I think people get into that stuff out of pure negation. They're not wrong to sense that something is off about the mainstream media (for many reasons that should be evident to anyone who posts here, don't need to elaborate) and those institutions have undermined their credibility, but they end up just uncritically accepting what some conspiracy theorist who projects confidence says. But that's not really the opposite of the mainstream media but a distorted mirror image of it. It's pathological or "sick" in the sense that the main purpose is to provide an emotional cope for people while inhibiting critical thinking.
I have a little bit more sympathy for Ritter than McGregor because Ritter actually did get fucked over by the Bush administration. He want to jerk off in front of some undercover cop posing as a kid but his case was sealed by the court because he was seeking rehabilitation (which is something I believe in) and then somehow the Bush people leaked it to the press several years later to discredit him during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. He strikes me as someone who must believe he's unshakeably in the right and the officials in Washington are wrong and lying to people, and while he was right and those people were lying to people, he was the opposite of this in the 90s when he was more hawkish towards Saddam than the Clinton administration was. So he became an anti-war guy after the U.S. government grew incredibly hawkish but he had previously been a hawk when it wasn't as much. That's one reason why I think Bush and the neocons wanted to get rid of him.
I have contempt for McGregor. He has a bust of Napoleon in the background. I do not trust military men. They can be very good at projecting confidence but part of their job when they were in the military was enforcing obedience, chain of command. People who feel like they've exited the mainstream media however are very easily taken in by such charlatans because they still want that feeling of epistemic certainty and he was "inside the system" or whatever. He was as colonel which was a mid-ranking officer position which is a badge of experience in a particular kind of system that rewards certain behaviors but never EVER assume someone who was in the brass knows what the hell they're talking about (including military matters).
>>2615080why didn't they just board it with an airplane?
>>2615114Ritter is an honest bourgeois democrat who tells some truth about Soviet history and geopolitics. MacGregor is a complete reactionary who repeats Nazi-tier propaganda about the USSR and Soviet history.
Yesterday's
>"Ur b& disinformation demoralization troll"
is today's
>"Well acktchually this is realpolitik and sush! You China/AES basher."
I'll repeat what I always say: I do not actually care if you get blackpilled because the barbarism is coming to NATO no matter what you feel about it. China will not save you. You will not have a revolution "when things get bad enough" nor "withdraw" from hegemonic power. You'll just be on the receiving end of retreading the 80s and the 90s.
>>2616661That’s too poetic to be true
Boggles the mind how some mofos can watch Putin do nothing significant when Ukro scum try to kill him and then think he's going to help Maduro lmao
Not sure we need another thread for this nothingburger
>>2618841>Not sure we need another thread for this nothingburgerok thanks for your opinion, I will bake #5 as soon as this one hits 600.
>>2618845>#5 Says it all, really.
The US will slowly get around to popping Maduro, there'll be a flare up here, and then nothing.
>>2619041Woah, there, buddy. What are you implying? That people are responsible for things happening in politics, instead of it being something that happens, like some kind of natural disaster?
>>2622120Fucking kek. US doesn't care about Chinese diplomats visiting Caracas today, unlike Cucktin when his "Western partners" visit Kiev.
>>2622124Vens on Twitter are saying a plane just flew right over and dropped bombs. It's not clear that's true or even that an attack took place, but holy shit if true - what happened to that Chinese/Russian air defense?
>>2622126>what happened to that Chinese/Russian air defense?If making money is the goal, they might have considered just negotiating with the US for control
>>2622127>tandem rotorlmfao, please tell me that's fake or isn't even Caracas or something. There's no way the US is just prancing right in with Chinooks, right? R-r-right?
Xi and Cucktin strategic restraint strikes again, I guess…
It's happening
>>2622138fuck this gay earth
It's kicking off anons
>Putin gives Venezuela ammo, thinking the US wants one of his dumb WWI attrition wars
>The US just goes in and dabs or nabs Maduro
>no russian air defense
LOL PUTIN ABANDONED YET ANOTHER ALLY
This can't be real. Multipolaristas told me that planes would be blown out of the sky, and these slow af things are flying around in the capital worry-free.
here's how i see things playing out. whatever operation they're carrying out right now will succeed. they will either kill maduro or force him to flee. either way the current venezuelan government as it exists is decapitated and debilitated. the USA appoints a new government under their control in caracas. perhaps some resistance continues a guerilla war for a couple of years until they're exhausted in which case the USA will control the entirety of venezuela in a couple years or they give up right away and the USA controls it immediately. the fact that the USA could do this without venezuela even scrambling fighter jets means they never really had the capability to fight meaningfully fight back so now these are the only two options. may god help the venezuelans
>Evidence of 15 detonations, with particular repetitive detonations at a couple of locations, Caracas.
>>2622148we're all at their mercy because for some reason we didn't want to get nukes. fuck tlatelolco
They called Cucktin's bluff.
They were worried he'd kill Zelensky if they went for Maduro, but his inaction over the past few days showed them what a timid cuck he is.
>>2622150>with particular repetitive detonations at a couple of locations, Caracas.Maduro?
>>2622150>>2622155Is it limited or is it their appointed time?
blackest reaction status?
3 days to kyviv caracas, trust the plan americans
>>2622163>>2622162If they've killed Maduro on day one while Zelensky goes around for four years making a mockery of Russia and even trying to kill Putin while Putin does nothing, this is gonna be embarassing af for Russia.
>“If they want oil, Venezuela is ready for US investment, like with Chevron,” he added, referring to the US oil giant, which is the only major oil company exporting Venezuelan crude to the US.
Holy cuck
What is Venezuela even supposed to do, given that a single one of these helicopters going down would lead to an even greater escalation? Do you just say fuck it and go all in, or take it all like a cuck, or is there a third option?
>>2622175You think them bombing Venezuela is not the escalation?
>>2622175if you're facing a foe who is determined to kill you no matter what then you'd might as well go down fighting
>>2622177That's why I said "even greater escalation", Mr. Speedreader.
There could be an escalation beyond the escalation.
>>2622175>What is Venezuela even supposed to doYou blow the US filth out of the sky. When was the last time amerifat occupation ended well for anyone? Accepting the takeover means accepting slavery, and you're better off dying trying to stop it
>>2622175>What is Venezuela even supposed to do, given that a single one of these helicopters going down would lead to an even greater escalation?This is on a smaller scale the battered-wife logic that some people make for Putin on a larger scale: "What is Putin supposed to do, retaliate proportionately and cause WW3?" Just let the US do what it wants, basically.
>>2622179>>2622181>>2622182Honestly yeah but why is Venezuela not doing that right now?
If Venezuela just rolled over literally nothing will happen. Workers will still wage slave and nothing would fundamentally change. Perhaps it's for the better at least they will know that liberals are no different than the cult of personality.
The problem is capital needs to destroy productive forces regardless so proles WILL have to die no matter the 'strategic aim'
The only way out of this cycle in international revolution but radlibs don't like to hear it.
Generals have to have folded right? You don't need big fixed radars and heavy SAMs to defend against helicopters. Even .50 cal MGs are a serious threat to Blackhawks and Chinooks.
Fuckin' Chechens and Afghans in the mountains managed to shoot them down.
>>2622175It is those difficult decisions and it seems like Maduro and the military are going with option 2.5. The US needs them to strike down one of their helicopter to rally around the flag. The war is too unpopular in the domestic US. So they are taking it and it is on US court to make the full escalation to go in.
unfortunately venezuela had to share a sea with americans, bunch of rapist invaders, the only choice is death with honor unfortunately (if the americans budge at caracas i might have hope)
>>2622185>The only way out of this cycle in international revolution but radlibs don't like to hear it.What is happening in Venezuela is what would happen the second you tried international revolution. The big Imperialist powers all invaded the USSR but with the technology of the time it was too much of a slog and they pulled out. Now days they'd just decap strike every meeting of a soviet.
>>2622184There are reports of gunfire in Caracas so they may doing that, anon.
>>2622187i think that's a very stupid bet increasingly holders of the executive power in the USA have been sidestepping congress to do whatever the fuck they want. but for venezuela's sake i hope he's right
>>2622185>If Venezuela just rolled over literally nothing will happenYes a lot will happen for the Americas. For one it accelerates Cubas current energy problem and will lead to increase protests that have been occurring in Cuba
>>2622191Also, if it wasn't for WWI having exhausted them the Imperialists would have stayed in Russia until they put down the Reds.
There will be no revolution until there is a revolutionary situation. And that isn't happening until America can't just do this shit right here.
>>2622184Because the US intelligence services are not as pathetic and corrupt as their Russian counterpart. Likely everyone has already been paid off and promised a position in the new government.
>>2622186Well, look who their advisors are: China and Russia. It's entirely possible these two countries simply didn't conceive of a smash-and-grab or decap operation, especially not with Chinese diplomats in the city today. They thought the US would tolerate what Cucktin tolerates, with foreign diplomats flying in and out.
>>2622183That's what happens when you're dealing with the most powerful military in the world that used the death of ~2k people to justify killing a million+ people in a completely unrelated country.
However I don't think Putin is a serious opponent to American hegemony, he is just a corrupt oligarch that emerged from the rubble of the USSR and subsequent capitalist looting and shock doctrine. He was Yeltsin's handpicked successor. He is if anything a product of US imperialism - just because he happens to be opposed to some branches of it doesn't mean he's the golden boy of anti-imperialism.
>The Higuerote Airport, east of Caracas, has been struck as part of the ongoing U.S. military operation. Secondary explosions are clearly visible.
Strikes are clearly targeting anything that could harm the helicopters
>>2622200Imagine if the US took out any Chinese from the special envoy. That will be the real test
>>2622200Russia is bogged down in Ukraine and China isn't going to make any overt moves until they are certain of their military superiority in all domains.
>>2622190What's concrete unlike your metaphysical support to unpopular bourgeois dictatorships
>>2622191You're talking about socialism in one household. International revolution is… international. It takes place in imperialist countries.
>>2604275>the VZ navy has escorted tankers through the "blockade" and they haven't been shot at, yet. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The terrorists will have to decide if they want the escalation.
>Cucktin-posters always confindently predict the (doomful) future. At least half the time they're wrong, but there's never accountability. That's why it's so easy. If the doom doesn't happen, people are happy and not looking to assign blame and hold anyone accountable for being wrong. You being wrong gets forgotten. But if the doom does happen then you're a genius and sharp-minded realist who knows stuff. >Cucktinposting is a no-risk pastime.lol, didn't age well, goober.
>>2622205.50 cal MGs and shoulder launched SAMs could take out any of those helicopters. The only way they are risking this is if they are sure there are no troops in their flight corridor.
>>2622194Cuba is a neoliberal
>protestsoh so nothing will happen
>>2622198So basically Iran 2.0. We're back to the old methods.
send some BTR-ZD units to turn the blackhawks into meat
>>2622208So revolution is only international if Western countries do it?
>>2622208>You're talking about socialism in one household. International revolution is… international. It takes place in imperialist countries.It has to start somewhere you dumb fuck. SIOC was a cope after the German, French, and British proletariat failed to carry through a revolution.
>>2622215>1 day to Caracasbut unironically
multipolar posters, im losing hope
>>2622211>Cuba is neoliberalYou do not know what you are talking about lmao.
>>2622215If Trump is actually doing a ground invasion he's dumber than I thought.
I really thought he was against these kinds of ground invasions. He shit on the war in Iraq. His go-to was always targeted bombings, not sending in troops.
Well, maybe he's not calling the shots anymore since he's senile. He's probably staring at plans for his ballroom and drooling.
>>2622223This has Kegseths stink all over it
>>2622225Is he trying to secure the Venezuelan whiskey reserve?
>>2622225Yeah Hegseth I'm sure is looking for his own "Mission Accomplished" media moment.
the USA is the biggest threat facing humanity
>>2622229Should have just used Vietnam. Every single US intervention except for maybe Panama and Grenada has only created blow back that weakens the US in the long run.
I wonder how the militia is and will be reacting.
>Chinooks flying around in Caracas, fast-rope specops playing out, and people are still pinning their hopes on America being bogged down in a Vietnam/Cucktin attrition war…
:D
>>2622234Russia is the laughing stock of the world
Anyone who defends them should also get laughed at
At least you can argue China is playing the long-game and is building socialism in their own country, Russia is a collapsed capitalist hellscape
The fire rises
Fuck this gay earth
>>2622239No. It is irrelevant what happens to Maduro. Venezula is extremely unlikely to just became a stable US ally because they parachute in some far right ghouls to run it.
There is no juice left in the system to buy populations off. They have to be squeezed for more profits which generates unrest.
the vids coming out are actually insane
i wish other third world countries would provide material support for venezuela but i know they won't the least the could do is some symbolic shit like leaving the UN or something. how do they not understand that this will happen to them. there is no appeasing the USA and there is no lifting your country out of eternal developing status with the USA breathing down our necks
>>2622248post them here retard
Has Putin been spotted in an emergency motorcade of shame yet like with Iran?
>>2622241idek why multipolaristas take russia seriously after the almost 4 year blunder, china is smart enough to not shoot themselves in the dick with war because they're more crucial to the world economy than russia
>>2622250> other third world countries You mean the other 110 bourgeois dictatorships?
>>2622252bake a thread and maybe
Here's what happened:
Cucktin couldn't conceive of this happening because he'd signed a strategic partnership with Venezuela some months back and had been warning about US aggression.
His yes-men simply refuse to tell him that Russia's deterrence is a big fat zero because of all the red lines he let the US/Ukraine cross, including apparently up to and including an attempted assassination op on him.
>Sky News Arabia reports that the home of the Venezuelan Minister of Defense was targeted, quoting Venezuelan sources
>>2622175set fire to the oilfields and destroy all infrastructure
>>2622253He will become the King under the Mountain (Yamantau).
>>2622250Maybe this helps some to realize that the idea of the Third-World/Global South standing up for eachother is completely obsolete
>>2622250Realistically I feel like you can count the countries with even a milquetoast anti imperialist outlook on your hands. Lula won't do shit, Vietnam, Iran, Mexico and a few of the West African countries might write a strongly worded letter, but you have to face the fact that the nonaligned movement has been dead for decades.
>>2622223>I really thought he was against these kinds of ground invasions. I think he wants to be Bibi. Like the sort of lightning strikes the Israelis did against Hezbollah, Iran. Apparently Padrino Lopez's house got bombed.
Unconfirmed reports that Maduro has been assassinated in a decapitation strike at Miraflores
Russia could use the cover of this to eliminate Zelensky and half the Ukrainian government, but the fact that Zelensky is still walking around after Putin's residence was targeted told that Putin is unlikely to exploit this opportunity, I suppose
2/3 of Peruvians and a good chunk of latam supports this war because 'refugees bad' btw
>>2622273 (me)
>told that told the US that*
>>2622274>supporting a war that will make more immigrants and refugees because you hate immigrants and refugeesmake it make sense
The Ukraine general is up to thread #277. What number will the Venezuela general reach? Single digits maybe?
>>2622250third world countries are controlled by elites who all have investments in the us
Has there been any confirmation of civilian casualities?
>>2622282yeah most people are fucking retarded
Though there's not many people in the mainstream media making the argument that US interventions lead to more immigrants, even though it's obvious.
>>2622161>they're going for a decapitation strike on the leadership.I think the smelly armchair generals on Zigga Twitter and Telegram need to tell the US that decapitation strikes don't work.
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