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97 posts and 6 image replies omitted.>>2579172If Corbyn is a pilot then we are on Germanwings Flight 9525.
>>2579172can someone explain me why collective leadership is bad? seems a good way to avoid becoming hostages of the MPs, such as with the PLP.
>>2579183Look at the new party called Your Party to find out
>>2579172Lemme guess, this broke ass is calling another broke ass a broke ass?
post conf interview.
i keep wondering though is dual membership even allowed in the SWP rules?
>>2579189insightful comment. i understand now.
>>2579183>can someone explain me why collective leadership is bad?Collective leadership isn't inherently bad, but the your party conference has shown the collective leadership is most likely doomed to clique infighting, and lack of seriousness or a better word, immaturity in political conduct, strategy, and ideological matters.
trotsky turning like a propeller in his grave seeing what people do in his name
>>2579199>trotsky turning like a propeller in his grave seeing what people do in his nameDoesn't matter. They are a product of his tradition of being entryist opportunist wreckers.
>>2579200Lenin was an entryist. The only difference was he also had a brain.
YP is such a joke, you just have to laugh at what a shit show the whole thing is
>>2579201>Lenin was an entryistHow was Lenin an entryist?
>>2579198Then isn't it our job to influence the process and make it work instead of awaiting it's dooming to become a SWP piggy-bank?
>>2579200>Doesn't matter. They are a product of his tradition of being entryist opportunist wreckers.They're no doubt rubbing their hands together at this moment thinking about with the coalition of 2nd year humanities students and Crispin Flintoff/Corbynite boomers paper sales are really going to be through the roof next year.
>>2579205This is just the natural conclusion of letting women and social rejects represent the real movement
>>2579197>i keep wondering though is dual membership even allowed in the SWP rules?It must be considering they try and do entryism into fucking everything.
>>2579189Your Party thus far has been lead by an unelected bureaucratic leadership under the healmship of one man.
>>2579229>less than half of the party voted to kick the only recognisable leader on the left>this is democracy fighting bureaucracy No this a clique fighting what the party was formed for. Fuck off. Nobody cares.
You're Petty
>>2579172WPB is a Social Hitlerite / Economically Soc Dem organisation.
YP may be an incompetent mess hardly keeping themselves from splitting but George is in no position to speak.
There's so many social Hitlerites ITT too saying everything is the fault of a brown woman and other minorities ruining the party. Get a grip.
>>2579258That brown woman is a socdem tho
>>2579198That's just factionalism, not collective leadership. Remember that the current clique want a single leader (so that Corbyn is the figurehead for all
their choices, rather than having to front their own views or - god forbid - let someone else run things)
>>2579238How is he kicked exactly? He can run for the collective leadership and either way he'll clearly be an honoured figure in the party. It's time to grow up and realise that Corbyn is a weak man who is ruled by a clique of Labour bureaucrat wreckers who just backed the wrong horse, they're not that different from Starmer and co. He didn't even want this party to exist and had to be forced into it by Zara, if he had acted faster the left wouldn't be split between YP and the Greens.
>>2579307>its time to grow up and realise that corbyn is a weak manplease by all means show your alternative
YP needs to disband. It's basically over already.
>>2579198Why would voters, who probably don’t know about ‘collective leadership’, want to support a random nobodies rather then a party with a leader, a coherent platform, party unity, and a strong message?
>>2579238>less than half of the party voted to kick the only recognisable leader on the left>this is democracy fighting bureaucracy That less than half was because voting was open for 16 hours, 8 of them overnight, because the central party picked it that way to avoid actual democracy. Funnily enough when the vote was open for two and a half days turnout was 80%! Weird that! Maybe they would have won if they hadn't tried to ratfuck others!
>>2579308>Waahh we have to follow fuhrerprinzip Brain rotted by postmodernism.
>>2579335Sure anon. I can't wait for literally who #485 to lead with a completely out of touch manifesto arguing about every single detail about party management, until he or she is replaced by literally who #486. Then Reform will win in 2029.
>>2579338Reform is winning in 2029 no matter what you drooling popular frontist moron. The question is can we build a socialist party that can build up an organised working class in any way, not 'stopping Reform'.
>>2578164Please post the poem
Insanely hilarious commentary desu
>>2579380>Reform is Hitlersub-guardian reader tier politics
>>2578357It's her husband. No misogyny, but he's very influential in those leftist groups allegedly
>>2579307>He can run for the collective leadership as far as i understand MP's cannot be part of the collective leadership, at least as far as voting rights are concerned.
Please stop trying to defend the fact the British left has shot itself in the foot. It's embarrassing and unproductive.
>>2578319i feel like this is how the vote was won. All the under 30s literally didn't know what was happening, and all the over 50s were in the swp and there is barely any membership between 30-50
>>2579439i'd say younger are more likely to be the SWPies. it's student party after all. The Crispin watcher and politically homeless corbyn-labour boomers are mostly not in the SWP, i think.
>>2579398IDK how but I found it in 2 minutes. Legitimately people were laughing all the way through it and I think she meant it sincerely.
https://youtu.be/-755kRtHWdw?t=18701 >>2579462Nah the Swappies don't have shit with the youth. They have been eclipsed on the campuses (which is their real home) by the RCP and RCG ages ago. A lot of their societies dont even function anymore.
The RCP would have done a better job if they stormed in instead
Reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with young students and their general political outlook they're dodgy on specifics but so is everyone else and if you feel otherwise: you will never be a boomer communist. You will never live contemporaneously with the USSR. You will always be a bitter channer loser unless you change path now. Which probably involves cultivating real hobbies, not this nonsense.
If they went to Oxbridge they're a wanker though.
>>2579308Collective leadership maybe??
>>2579407Ok fair enough, he will clearly still be a prominent figure though, honestly that is the best place for Corbyn, giving PR support and a spotlight to braver people with better politics than him
>>2579410Literally how? Repeating Labour would have been idiotic
>>2579338Why do you assume regular people (who will be elected mind you so hardly just random uninformed grandma or something) can't actually give good arguments? We need a new kind of political model, if all we can do is emulate Westminster parties then we're already fucked
>>2579566yeah so you've got three paths ahead of you: recognizing that most of the people you went to school with are part of the working class even if they're jerks with bad fashion sense, or wrapping yourself up in the comfortable illusion that there's a "real" working class of 60-70 year old miners from 1985 out there just waiting for a socialist party that doesn't have hipsters and genderblobs and tarty birds ruining the all-important optics.
Or ignoring politics for the remainder of your valuable youth, paying the minimum necessary attention and still - statistically - backing all the right things as if by accident Unique IPs: 20