>Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
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>The body was too short or empty.
6-2=????
Anyone else got a touch of the covid?
she is actually a good leftist, she actually supports radical policies, she's actually tryng to get in touch with a real movement. why did she sabotage the conference like that? oh my fucking God bruh the UK truly is hopeless
>>2590679she didn't sabotage the conference, she saved it.
>>2590679>why did she sabotage the conference like that?How did she sabotage the conference?
>>2590683did you not see?
Can Your Party become a sort of electable DSA? People should make more radical caucuses.
>>2590682the clique, by protesting and supporting the general membership and their revulsion to arbitrary expulsions, she helped set the stage for the next 2 days where the conference was more-or-less okay. basically, by virtue of being an MP and by drawing attention to the story, she imposed costs on the clique for their actions.
if they'd continued down that track she could've skipped all 3 days of the conference, which would do a lot to de-legitimize the party. as an MP, she's in a very good position to impose costs on the clique for trying to do things their way against the will of the membership, since in the last resort she could always start her own party (which would fail, but would also hole Your Party beneath the waterline because it would get more attention by merit of being founded by an MP.) so keeping her on-side is necessary.
>>2590703the clique of ex-LOTO staffers around Corbyn who want to create Labour 2.0, who've generally been more concerned about keeping the likes of Adnan Hussein on side than they have about the views of the membership.
>>2590691You have no argument and are spouting vague nothings to wreck then?
Okay.
>>2590704the self expulsion of conservative elements was good but i dont think this was really the correct tactic, sends the wrong message
>>2590679"nationalise greggs" is a bit of a silly platform tbf
>>2590715to who? right opportunists? I'll be fine.
>>2590717you'll be fine, will the party be fine?
>>2590715inviting them in was an unforced error, their quick self-expulsion is better than the alternative of compromising again and again until inevitably they quit anyway.
social conservatism can, for argument sake, be overlooked: economically they are too moderate for even a Scottish National Party tier socdem org, and in competence terms they are too addicted to running their mouths (PR liability) and getting in stupid arguments with random twitter users. (unbecoming of any MP!)
>>2590720after the membership system thing, the single biggest PR blunder for your party is to have young people doubting whether it's solid on social issues. if a party won't give you the outright free stuff (social liberalism) why would you trust it to deliver expensive and complicated economic reform?
even if you say: ah, electorally they have to build a coalition between leftists and conservatives, you can do that tactfully (have nobody say anything in public but reassure high-ranking people off the record, or, if really pushed, go "well that's for conference to decide") instead of creating doubts.
>>2590732lowe is all bark and no bite
the leader of his party is a first-generation immigrant black woman, yet he plays the part of enoch powell
>>2590731that is reasonable, only thing is that it kind of showed YP weak from the start which is really sad
>>2590751
"""afghan"""
man has tiktok, man is melanin white, but surely it is a afghan
>>2590751
finally…. hitlercunnyrapist has been apprehended
>>2590758
And not live to see you top yourself when Farage inevitably maintains immigration like so many alt-right populists have done before him?
>>2590758
>the next capitalist demagogue will definitely go again the bourgeois interests they openly serve trust the plan
>>2590758
go back to your containment zone
>>2590762
Well usury is still illegal in the Islamic faith and usury is the British bourgeoisie’s primary industry
>>2590764
alri mate
but historical materialism innit
Personally I think this anon sounds like he gets beaten by his father
>>2590770
He also calls you a pansy for crying
sultana's cult of personality is weird
>>2590716the People's Pastry
>>2590818personally, i always preferred sayers, who habe franchised into pound bakery. at least their pastries are always hot and not cold 80% of the time like in greggs
>>2590825Greggs is proletarian tho
They've unveiled the actual branding for Great British railways
It's mid. The name remains bad and they've gone with red white and blue just in case you didn't know it was British, but it incorporates the flag into the BR logo motif in a competent enough way. Personally I don't like the way every carriage appears to have an arrow at the front, but I see why they did it. (I'd have the middle carriages flat with an arrow at the end of the train, which is clever until they start mixing and matching multiple units)
>>2590826is there a bourgeois pastry company?
>>2590825Never heard of Sayers. I think you get the best pasties at Oggy Oggy, they're tasty and always hot.
What even is Sultanaism about?
Wealth redistribution, ban on landlords, full economic nationalisation, backing unions and striking workers, progressive social policies?
But then she also seems hyper obsessed with this notion of democracy too. Random sortition (even if conference rejected it it's clearly her personal desire), decision by councils without individual leadership figures, borderline council communist rojava zapatista ass type decision making processes.
Where does she stand on revolution? Clearly she's fine with electoralism, but is that the means or just a stop gap to build mass support?
>>2591034I say this as a fan: she just says what left twitter wants to hear.
I think she means well, she's got the right impulse, but her head is empty. She's a random Labour left MP thrust into a figurehead position aware that Corbyn, the same basic type, blundered by being moderate and compromising with the status quo powerbrokers. She won't make that mistake, but she's only got ears, not a plan.
>>2591034>decision by councils without individual leadership figures, borderline council communist rojava zapatista ass type decision making processes.She seems like an actual communist.
>>2591034She only got into democracy when it became clear she was getting the cold shoulder off the independent alliance. Which to be fair, was immediately.
People have to remember she was a Labour MP until last year. Your political consciousness is more developed than hers is. It b that way.
She very likely has a Reddit account. She’s probably got a mad leftbook post history.
It does look like to me, and bear in mind I’m a member, that she has eeked out the super radical position in order to latch onto a pre existing base and propel her own position.
Looks like she’s been good at that so far. If you’ve been around activist types, there is a million of them like this, only she’s managed to make it a thing.
>>2591131>Triggernomfags>Jimmy CarrYou're gonna have to tldr bud because I'd honestly rather neck myself.
>>2591131Carr is a psychopath who would perform for Hitler given the chance, and has already performed for both Kahanist Zionists and Saudi Royals
>>2591368Also apparently best mates with Linehan.
What news sources do you recommend? Both for international affairs and for UK news?
>the left lib idpol-poisoned feminist is literally the only major voice in the party that wants to nationalize industry
how did the UK even get to this point?
>>2591481The future is now, old man
>>2591485Are they really the future? I thought only like 12% of bongs said they'd even consider voting for the party
>>2591481>left lib idpol-poisoned feministA lot of buzzwords just to say you hate minorities
>>2591487>>2591489I don't hate women or minorities. I just don't believe it is a good thing when class issues are obfuscated by abstract identity-based rhetoric, especially when that rhetoric incorrectly identifies nebulous entities like "The Patriarchy" or "White Supremacy" as the root causes of social suffering.
>>2591481>>2591491>nationalize industrynot a communist demand either bud
>>2591496Of course not. I'm saying that British politics have swung so far rightward that what was once a cornerstone policy of the Labour Party for almost a century is now confined to the realm of protest politics.
>>2591481>wants to nationalize industry<left libAnon what?
>>2591500I used that phrase because she doesn't strike me as a committed socialist of any kind, revolutionary or reformist. Very similar in temperament and rhetoric to all sorts of left liberals who invariably abandon their most radical demands as soon as they get bored or hit serious roadblocks.
>>2591481Because the "progressive" idpol types were right all along, even when they were wrong they were right because their mistakes taught valuable lessons that lead them to their present, correct position. Everyone else inevitably has their brain poisoned by reactionary idpol as they make progressive idpol their real enemy, even if it means surrendering all their nominal policy aims. (See the perennial example of the SNP's social conservatives)
>>2591491You're in luck then because it's now 2025 and in 2025 everyone knows that patriarchy and white supremacy are just specific instances of "bad shit capitalism does which is why capitalism must die", the issue is only obfuscated to those who
want the wool pulled over their eyes - the sort of reprobates who'd actually vote reform, the stupid and those smart-but-evil enough to reason themselves into being stupid.
Sultana doesn't seem particularly committed to idpol or feminism anyway, she's just saying what social liberals want to hear because social reactionaries and their useful idiots left the goal wide open. Her thoughts on how to tackle patriarchy or racism are not going to be substantially more advanced than her suggestion to "nationalise the economy". >>2591496Talk about purity spiraling.
>>2591502I don't entirely object to your characterisation until the last line: left liberals of her type don't drop their demands. Their relevance waxes and wanes, but they rarely
moderate or
abandon demands, even if their emphasis shifts as everyone gets bored.
This isn't the worst din: ultimately, it's getting better results than the (nominally) more committed freaks at any of the "real" communist parties, both in terms of building support
and in terms of not adopting lines which are utterly untenable for a revolutionary organisation.
>>2591496it's not a literally communist demand but if you monopolize all industry it makes it far easier to communize it
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